Behind the Bastards - Part One: Elon Musk is Being Sued, LMAO

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

Robert is joined by Katy and Cody to discuss the wild lawsuit against Elon Musk.    You can now listen to all Cool Zone Media shows, 100% ad-free through the Cooler Zone Media subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So, open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “Cooler Zone Media” and subscribe today! http://apple.co/coolerzoneSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a podcast where we talk about the album rumors, which was written by a bunch of people who, when they were making it, were all bastards to one another. Oh, yeah. With me today, to talk about rumors is a Cody Johnston and Katie stole. How are we doing today everybody? So good so thrilled to be here to talk about rumors with you. You know what I always think about I always think about how hard it must have been to be Christy McVee. You got Stevie Nicks there. What do you do? She was wonderful, RIP.

Absolutely wonderful. You got a little outshone, shined. Yeah, outshone. It's hard to be up against that. I'm sure she was aware of it. And I think that bleeds through. That's part of the feel that the album has. But more importantly, who's favorite song on rumors?

Favorite song? What do we got? Is everyone just going to say the chain? I was going to say the chain too. It's just too hard to not say. Well, there's also a great about, I was talking about this over the weekend, just like,

for the Mac and General, they're an amazing band, because like you'll hear a song and you'll not know that it's necessarily Fleetwood Mac because they've got such a wide range sound and vocalists. But yeah, I was gonna say the chain. Have to hurry. Oh, sorry.

Yeah, it's hard, but there's a lot. Yes, it's the chain. Are you? Oh, sorry. Yeah, it's hard, but there's a lot. Yes, it's the chain. Are you talking? I also like, oh, your own way. Yeah. Oh, that was absolutely. Oh, that was absolutely. A-Side.

Old A-Side and B-Side, are we talking about? Gold dust woman. Like, there's a-and B. Why would you split them up? Yeah. All right. Dreams. I'm sorry, there's so many.

Oh, dreams. Silver. Silver springs. Yeah. All right. Dreams, I'm sorry, there's so many, but yeah. Dreams, fuck. Silver, silver, silver. Silver Springs. Yeah, second hand news, I think would be mine after the chain. That's just such a fucking banger. You're right, there's second hand news. Oh my God, what a great album.

What an incredible album. Should we start playing it now? Speaking, yeah, second hand news. Just listen to rumors and think about how all of the lives lost in the cocaine industry were worth it. Thank God, thank God. No, we should probably get on. This is a podcast, you know what the business is, right?

We've been doing this for five years. You guys have been on dozens of times, probably. Yeah. Now, we're doing a little bit of a different thing this year. We have another court case to go over. Last time I had y'all both on, we talked about the big lawsuit against Fox news, and we went through the legal filing that Dominion's lawyers had against that after all the discovery. Today, we are reading through a legal complaint from Wolfram Arnold Eric Frozy Tracy Hawkins Joseph Killian Laura Chan Pytlar's and Andrew Schlakescher. Man, why did all of you have complicated names to say?

Un-unbelievable. So these guys are all- Please, I'm a couple of us, honestly. Yeah, yeah, I'm against them already. Oh wait, no, they're suing Elon Musk, so I'm back on their side. So each of these people, our former long time employees of Twitter, and I'm very frustrated by this legal document from the start because the first sentence

of the introduction reads, plaintiffs are each long time former employees of Twitter, and then parentheses colloquially and hereafter referred to as Tweeps. Hey, did. Wait, so they're the Tweeps? They're the Tweeps. Oh, Tweeps.

Oh, no. They're choosing to be referred to as Tweeps. That is too Tweet. That's too Tweet. Yeah, it's way too Tweet. Yeah, what is going on with you? Is it that like they legitimately had so much pride in old Twitter that they had to do this because it's a bad decision. Like legally, I'm legally, yeah.

Did the, did the, the tweets decide to call themselves the tweets? I can't imagine their lawyer insisted on it. Right. Depends. Yeah. That was a big part of the culture, right? That's, there was, that was used to talk about them and it was on all their little merchant stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we're talking in the law. Maybe you don't need to do that. Yeah. Maybe you could, yeah, the alley. Maybe you want to be taken seriously. They could have, I mean, Twitz is right there, but I can't tell. Twitz is right there on connotation.

The twarps, yeah. So, you know, these people who, the law suit and lawsuit informs us have more than 60 years of collective experience working for the company, were all either fired or constructively discharged by Twitter right after Musk took over. Some of these guys were pretty senior. There was a vice president in there, there's a global lead in there when they got shitt canned. Quote, and due to that seniority, some of them were in the room where it happened

after Musk's takeover of Twitter, privy to and participants in high level discussions and deliberations among Twitter's new leadership after the merger. Led by Musk and the caudras of Sykafense who were internally referred to as the transition team, Twitter's new leadership deliberately, specifically, and repeatedly announced their intentions

to breach contracts, violate laws, and otherwise ignore their legal obligations. And they put those words into action. Plaintiff Killiam was forced to resign from Twitter after being repeatedly and specifically directed to violate California's building codes in ways that potentially put tweet lives at risk. See, if you say it like that,

you're making a very serious allegation and I can't take it seriously when you're friends with those lives. People's lives. People's lives. Because I was immediate like, tweet, oh yeah, no. He was like,

I'm gonna be honest guys, I'm okay with tweets dying. You know, I'm not okay with people dying, but tweets. But tweets. That's some other thing. Yeah. When they say the phrase, they were in the room where it happened.

Is that an italics? No, it's in quotation marks. I think it's a reference to that book by that Trump staffer in the room where it happened. I think it also knowing the contents and the context and the fact that they're calling some of those sweeps, I think that also might be a Hamilton reference. Oh my God. Are you kidding me? There's a sign I'm called the record hamletons. and the fact they're calling someone's sweeps, I think. And it also might be a Hamilton reference. Oh my God, are you kidding me? There's a song I am in called the

We're Her and Hamilton's in. Yeah, I'm. Oh, yeah, there is from Hamilton. And a White House. You watch Hamilton. Yeah, it was on one of those streamers and I watched the, I watched it. I thought I could stomach it because of Lynn and Well.

I couldn't. I've got a lot of thoughts on it. Oh my God. He has really corny and I think he's shouldn't depend the guy in the show. Oh, yeah, put your room. The room. The right. I'll put yourself as I can't sing shouldn't be there. Whatever it is. But the room where it happened is the White House memoir of John Bolton former national security advisor. So they're either taking a pamphlet center at John Bolton reference either way.

I'm not at all. The self-tweeves is definitely a hand in reference. Yeah, question. Guys and girls, everyone, guys and dolls, do you want us? Do you want us to take you seriously? Don't call yourself sweeps.

Don't wear self-tweeves and don't reference either Hamilton or John Bolton. Like, I believe in filing is, don't be. Open the first three sentences. Like you are alleging that Elon Musk ordered you to violate California building codes in a way that put human lives at risk. You don't need to be Tweet. Like we don't need to make this like, I'm just, I'm very frustrated.

You don't need to put on a pantsuit and sing hallelujah while you're away. Yeah, I am. Oh, we're over the fucking Twitter old guard, yeah. Very funny. I expected to be more immediately on board with the people suing Elon Musk because I hate him so much, but they have done the hard work of making me right in the middle so far. I am, yeah. Yeah. on the hard work of making me write in the middle so far. I am steering down the median on a fucking crotch rocket at the moment.

So in ways that potentially put Tweet lives at risk in building the Twitter hotel rooms must wanted for Tweet's. He would be pushing to work through the night. Plaintiff Hawkins was forced to resign after Musconis transition team fundamentally changed the nature of her job and threatened her professional reputation by directing Twitter to breach its leases and essentially steal space from its landlords.

Elon doesn't play red... Oh, they're still doing a little like... I know. He's stealing space from landlords, I don't know. It's... Again, I'm very frustrated. I'm very frustrated against Nuffali for yet. Because the thing that Elon's, that comes next is,

like, one of Elon's transition team members told Hawkins, Elon doesn't pay rent. And Elon told me he would only pay rent over his dead body. And I'm frustrated at the degree of like, again, especially since he spent so much time like flipping out over crime in San Francisco. He's like this big, order fascist weirdo now. The fact that he just refuses to pay rent like,

fuck him, like that makes me extra angry for Elon Musk. But also like, I don't know, the, the, it is hard to make someone get too outraged about sealing from like a giant corporate landlord. Yeah, there's a lot of tension here. If you want, if you want me to be like, well, maybe there's one giant corporate landlord. There's a lot of tension here. If you want me to be like, well, maybe there's one cool corporate landlord, I don't know, send in mercenaries

to force Twitter out of their offices, right? There's an idea. Impound their servers. Be a real asshole about it. And then at least you'll be a cool corporate cool. Go for it, guys. Do what, think about what that guy, the bad guy in Robocop would do in this situation.

There are ways. He would send Boticor in to like fucking beat the shit out of Elon Musk when he's having a cocaine party. You know, that's what he, you know, I don't know. Yeah, if Ed 209 destroyed Twitter's offices, I'd be like, all right, well, I'd be like, what, okay, what, okay. One landlord gets to stay a landlord.

Yeah. So both Killian and Hawkins were told that from Musk, the fact that Twitter was legally or contractually obligated to pay a particular sum would be irrelevant to the decision of whether to actually pay it when that amount came due, that must operate it on a zero cost basis, and that Twitter would therefore simply decide to fresh for each significant expense, whether or not it wanted to pay what it owed.

This seems very illegal, but he's got enough money that it's not, right? Because he can just hold it up in court for forever. Yeah. It'll be fine. It's very frustrating. There's a lot of people on the streets in San Francisco because they couldn't pay, you know, what they owed and rent or whatever. And Elon's just going to continue advocating.

They'd be put in death camps, I guess. That's cool. Exactly. It is interesting how differently we treat these two very different examples of rent evasion. Like, I would be surprised if the total number of people evicted in San Francisco last year, like the amount that they owed that got them evicted equaled what musk is failed to pay on his properties. It's just thinking about, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Back on board with tweets. So yeah, back on with the tweets, the tweets say that Musk flatly refused to pay

them. Their contractually required severance. This was severance that Twitter and Musk had in order to induce tweets to stay through the close of the merger, promised would be paid if Musk conducted a layoff in which Twitter and X holdings had bound themselves to pay under the terms of the merger agreement. seems clear that they owed this money. And basically the alliation is that Musk never even intended to pay people, right? He was just lying to get people to work without pay, which is like, I don't know, that's in like the neighborhood. That's like, that's illegal.

Like you're not allowed to make people work without yeah, no I would say it's not just in the neighborhood. It's staunchly like yeah, that seems like crimey All right, that's like the town square even if it's not crimey It's unethical and immoral and he's a bad person. I'll just I'll yeah, but how could it not be crimey? Yeah I'll just, I'll go that out there. Yeah, but how could it not be crimey? Yeah, musk when so far as to insist publicly that tweets he fired are not entitled to any severance at all beyond worn act notice. In hindsight, it appears that he also inserted

a legally ineffective specific no-third party beneficiaries clause in the merger agreements, provisions relating to severance and a failed attempt to prevent tweets from enforcing those provisions. Plaintiffs bring this action for a declaratory judgment against the merger agreement, and the related but independent promises and representations to the tweets from enforcing those provisions. Plaintiffs bring this action for a declaratory judgment against the merger agreement and the related but independent promises and representations to the tweets.

And title them to the promise severance to recover that severance as well as punitive damages for defendants, Flavegurt, bad faith. Yada, yada, yada, they quote a bunch of laws that must probably did in fact break. Yeah, so we go in, we detail the case of a couple of these people, they're just kind of listing their work histories, which I don't feel like we need to know for any particularly. Worked at Twitter.

Yeah, worked at Twitter, spent a lot of time as a tweeper, sweeping up, you know, pretty hard. Defended Musk is on information and belief, a citizen of the state of Texas, residing in Boca Chica, Texas. I wonder how much time he spends in Boca Chica, but people have been allowed to fake being from Texas for forever. We had a whole president do it once.

Look at up people. All right, so now we're up to the factual background statement here. This litigation arises out of Twitter's, ah, sorry, my mouse. This litigation arises out of Twitter's, ah, ah, sorry, my mouse. This litigation arises out of Twitter's attempt to avoid paying its ex-employees the severance that promised them.

Twitter made these promises many times and in many ways, Twitter made these promises in their initial offer letters to the plaintiffs. Twitter made the same promise explicit in its agreement to sell the company to Musk, negotiating for a clause in the agreement that protected its employees by ensuring they would receive severance at least as favorable during the post-merger period as they had

under the old management. And Twitter went out of its way to make additional promises and representations to its employees, to lay their concerns, and advance of its purchase by Musk and to convince them to stay employed at Twitter, pending the close of this transaction. Twitter broke all these promises, breaching its enforceable agreements with its former employees in the process. Now I'm going to say this right now, I suspect the people who sold Twitter to Musk, the former people running it, the former board, were well aware that all these employees were going to get

fucked and simply didn't care because they got their bag, right? Yeah, that's why the deal was made because you've offered them so much time. I don't have any sympathy or care for the people that sold Twitter in general. No, no, no. I mean, yeah, it seems like they ought to be liable to some extent to, like, there's some sort of due diligence they should, I'm sure they did enough legally. I don't think they're actually, they actually have any exposure there. I just think it's immoral. Yeah. So it just kind of goes through the details of the merger, the details of like how they They actually have any exposure there. I just think it's immoral.

Yeah, so it just kind of goes through the details of the merger, the details of how they set up this severance agreement. So Twitter committed to providing employees with two months' base salary or incentive-based salary for sales employees, pro-rated performance bonuses as though all triggers for such bonuses has been hit. The cash value of any RSU's, those are like internal stock units that would have vested within three months of separation, cash contribution through the continuance of healthcare coverage. So it's like a pretty good severance agreement.

I think it's better than we got it cracked. Yeah, you know, that sounds right. I can't speak to that because they never hired me. Yeah. Well, yeah, I corporate America, something none of us have any issues with. I don't know, all these tweets, yeah, these tweets seem like they were promised a pretty sweet deal if they stayed on to like ensure the company didn't fall apart right before the deal and then must immediately...

I suppose the fall apart is as you can. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So they list some of the different things that like Musk said during the process of like that whole back and forth of her, whether or not he was going to acquire it, the lawsuit against Twitter. Okay, here we get to a point where we have,

that's titled, Twitter's employees are worried about the pending Musk takeover, and Twitter makes representations to address their concerns. This should be some inside gossip. With the promise of Twitter being acquired by one of its fiercest critics, many tweets were understandably very concerned about their future, particularly the potential effects

of the merger on their jobs. Layoffs had already been discussed as a possibility, even prior to the acquisition, and it was widely reported that cuts would be needed as a consequence of the merger on their jobs. Layoffs had already been discussed as a possibility, even prior to the acquisition, and it was widely reported that cuts would be needed as a consequence of the additional debt that Twitter was incurring as part of the acquisition. Given his criticisms, it was also viewed that Musk would make additional material changes

at Twitter. Twitter took these concerns very seriously. If a significant number of tweets were worried enough about their future to seek new employment, it would harm Twitter's ability to continue to function smoothly while the deal was in process. Twitter, therefore, took several steps to reassure its employees. They negotiated this merger agreement.

Um, da da da da da da. Um, tch tch tch tch. Make it down here to the next set of good stuff. Um, Twitter also benefited from a degree of stability via employee retention during the pendency of the acquisition and the related litigation. That reduced the chances of an acquisition threatening material adverse event, protecting the chances the deal would be consummated. And Musk, an extending offer to entice employees to stay pending his acquisition, also

receives stability. The promise of a company that would be when he completed his takeover, largely in the condition it was made before the offer, allowing him to begin to reshape Twitter from a stable foundation. Nevertheless, Tweeps remained concerned about the consequences of the acquisition. Twitter issued an acquisition FAQ to provide employees with a resource. The FAQ detailed reassurances and representations to employees regarding their compensation, how equity grants would be handled. It explicitly stated that in the event of a layoff, any employee whose job is impacted

would be eligible for a severance. They had meetings and stuff about this, Twitter orally communicated to its employees that Musk had made the severance stability promise in the merger agreement. Yeah, at one point, a tweet posted to Twitter's internal Slack, tagging Twitter's C-suite leadership and communicating that the details of Twitter's severance would be critical to employees' decisions to remain pending the close of the merger. So yeah, they're really building a case here that like the entire, both the value to the people who owned Twitter and ran it previously and the value to Musk was reliant upon folks

staying and keeping the site stable and that they had to do that, to do that both of them basically had to run a con on the workforce of Twitter. I think it's been more of a con on Musk than it has been on, like, he's kind of fallen apart for him as well because the news just came out today that the company's valued at about a third of what it was when he bought it. But I laughed out loud. Both of them definitely like had to screw over all of these people in order to, in order to like carry out their plans. Like it seems pretty clear what was going on all around here.

Yeah, they just wanted everyone to shut up so they could make the deal happen. Yeah. Almost immediately upon a Musk's arrival at Twitter, he instead purported, to terminate executives for cause. On information and belief, this occurred in some cases within hours of the takeover. In fact, on information and belief, Musk did not even intend to have Twitter pay the director's office and officers in dimmification and insurance premiums, as required by section 6.6 of the merger agreement. On information and belief, a Twitter employee with access to Twitter's accounts and capacity to execute the payment

made that payment despite musk specific objections, preventing a breach of the merger agreement. And the employee was fired for doing so. So basically, musk was required to pay like in demnification and insurance premiums as part of the merger agreement, which is like, that's something he's required to do under state law to keep the company

like functioning legally. And he directed an employee to cancel the payment because he's saying basically don't pay money for anything. And so this person follows the law and makes the payment and Musk fires them. That's, wow. Very funny. So it's sort's, wow. Very funny.

So absurd. Yeah. You have leadership. Oh, yeah, no, no, it is good leadership. That's not what I believe you mean. Yeah. So obviously, I mean, it's that, yeah. What's up?

Oh, just that broken brain thing of just like, you're so rich and powerful and you have this idea of yourself and your view that you're like, just don't do it. Just don't do anything. Right. Just like, it doesn't matter. The idea of buying this company and just like, we're not going to spend any money. And if we do, you're fired.

It's like the idea that would work out for him. Well, just when you're that rich and powerful, you get away with lots of stuff. Look at him not paying rent. I mean, yeah, and you think you can and I mean, maybe he can and nothing will come of this. It's like, are you really? Yeah. I see.

You're also seeing all this stuff. Because first we saw it as one might call it second hand news. Yeah, first, in the day when you get like these little, little tidbits, these little snippets of like, yeah, this person said that he did this and just seeing it all laid out in this legal complaint is interesting. It is interesting and I think so a lot of this is kind of going over the stuff that was reported one way or the other like as it was happening

So if you don't remember back on November 3rd, 2022 after the acquisition He sent out an email basically saying hey, we're gonna have a meeting tomorrow and you'll know who's getting shit canned the next day November 4th they fired half of the company It seems like the layoffs were largely organized by SpaceX and Tesla employees who sort of like came in and helped him build lists. Yeah, yeah, he brought in, that's what's alleged here at least. On information belief, Musk used engineers from his other companies, Tesla and SpaceX, to help determine which tweets would be included in the November 4th layoff.

And then- Like, sorry, putting engineers in the November 4th layoff. And then- Sorry, putting engineers in charge of that is so weird. Especially since so much of the jobs aren't engineering. Like for example, being the people who pay to keep mandated insurance. Yeah, no, it's just like this weird, like, billionaire engineer brain. Like, oh my god.

You have a legend, like, people in HR or people that are trained for these kinds of conversation is one thing, but engineers. Yeah, people also like the people who are worst at, I don't know, managing. Do you think that they just got people in the room and played, go your own way? Yeah, you should go your own way. Oh man, what a bad, Yeah, you should go your own way What a bad no you nailed it Yeah, yeah, so you know at this point

Twitter's been been gutted you know much like a big game hunter who gets impaled by a tusk There we go There we go. I was gonna say, but I feel like. I was like TV nicks in that breakup, but I like to ask about it. Oh, wow, yeah. Okay, that works too. So the next thing that happens is they start firing people after this like first wave of layoffs.

Those are, they're agreeing to pay severance and they're gonna fuck with a lot of those people on severance. But in order to avoid paying severance, the next thing that Twitter does is they start over the next few days firing even more people saying they were in violation of Twitter policy. These are four cause terminations, so like they don't have to do the same things they have to do in like layoffs, RE, Severance.

So it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's fuckery. It's also like bad for people's careers. It's one thing if like, yeah, that company, the boss gutted it and everybody got laid off but they didn't necessarily do anything wrong. That doesn't necessarily hurt your chances of getting hired again as opposed to like getting fired for violating company policy, which can,

which is our first shit. Making a payment. Yeah. Yeah. Or for paying a mandated making a payment. Yeah. So yeah, we're for paying a mandated insurance real law. Yeah. Yeah. You know who does follow the law?

Prolicers. We could possibly products and services. I think it has to be. It's got to. It is. It is. Most do. Nearly all of them do.

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Yeah, I mean, a lot of the allegations against Musk are based on, well, you know, the phrase they use is based on information and belief, but what is that if not rumors? If not rumors. Okay, this is too much. It's super red-ful and it like, for at least the start of it. Oh, yes, we're having fun.

Good stuff, good stuff. So the next thing that Musk announces is that Twitter's ending its remote work policy and all workers have to immediately report to a physical Twitter office. This was a real problem for people who lived like hundreds of miles from Twitter offices and could not do this. Musk updated the policy after this was pointed out to him and said that Twitter would allow

for a transition period for remote workers who lived too far away, to move to a location closer to Twitter. That's a good decision to like uproot your entire life and move across country for a job that appears to be collapsing every, every map. It does. It would demand you there. Yeah. And probably won't exist in like six months. That seems like a good call.

Later the policy morphed into one in which managers could allow their reports to work remotely if they chose to, but with themselves be fired if the employees they allowed to work from home did not perform up to musks, undefined, and unarticulated standards. What a great working environment. Well, he's not a very articulate person. No, I don't know.

He's dumb and kind of an asshole, yeah. So, the owner of a social media communication platform is so bad at communicating. Well, he's not, he's, he bought it, you know, like he purchased. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty cool. So in mid-November, Musk sent another email with a link to an online form and an ultimateum.

And he Twitter employee who wanted to keep their job at Twitter would need to affirmatively indicate their consent by checking a box on an online form to a more hardcore working environment, which would mean long hours at high intensity. And in a transparent attempt to avoid the severance obligation to which he had bound himself, Musk unilaterally decreed that employees who did not affirmatively check the box would be deemed to have voluntarily resigned in exchange for two months of non-working leave in a single month's post-separation pay. That's cool. What a...

Yeah. How are you running a company? How you show your employees that you're going to do a good job. Well, it's really a point. Does he want people to have kids and raise a family, but he also wants them to spend 12 hours a day sleeping at the office. Yeah. I'm not sure that, well, does he want everybody to have kids and raise a family?

Also, well, he also has different types of people that have kids and raise lots of kids. He also has a cut of maternity and maternity leave for his employees as well. He doesn't want his employees doing that. Full of contradictions. That one is. Yeah, vaguely other people should be doing that. So as part of this wave of layoffs, a substantial number of employees were laid off because they did not immediately affirmatively agree to the material changes to their working additions that Muska demanded.

And yet that still wasn't enough. After the November 17th layoff, Muska again turned to engineers from his other companies to conduct code reviews of code written by Twitter employees. The code reviews were a clear pretext to attempt additional forecaw's firings. The reviewers lacked the context to meaningfully evaluate the code, and the reviews were completed in an amount of time. It was clearly insufficient for any good faith approach of the task. After the code reviews, Twitter fired multiple employees, and the pretext that their work was not up to standard.

Many of those employees had received uniformly positive performance reviews prior to being fired. Other employees were put on performance improvement plans in a transparent attempt to lay the groundwork for future forecaw's firings. The slap-dash, bad faith in nature of these reviews was open and obvious. Some managers acknowledged that they were instructed to stack rank their employees so that at least some of the employees in each group would be fired or placed on performance improvement plans, even if all were performing adequately.

Other managers specifically informed employees that the managers had placed on PIPs that the employees should keep doing what they were doing because their performance did not require improvement. Other managers could not identify the standard by which they had assessed particular performance as requiring improvement. And at least some fired employees were informed that they had been fired by mistake and asked to return to work, all told on information and belief Twitter laid off fired or engineered the resignations of over 5,000 employees within less than two months.

That's a beautiful stuff. Real, real impressive leadership right there. I was gonna just say firing all of this stuff is very time consuming. All of the work that's being put into fucking over the employees and firing them and then, oh, whoops, these are the ones that arguably too much attention when there's vital things that need to be done at the company. Anyway, sorry, Cody, what were you gonna say? Oh, no, that's true. It's just, you did that interview recently where they talked about this and basically he's like, yeah, we're gonna try to hire a bunch of people back and maybe people we fired will wanna come back.

Like very recently, like this is the plan. And it's just so, because he didn't even, I saw some Twitter blue subscribers. He's like, oh, I love this, because being able to own your mistakes, no, no, no, he didn't say it was a mistake. He said that he had to do it. This is all in the pretext that I have to get rid of this many people I have

to. And now that he did, he's like, well, we'll hire them back. That's still not admitting the mistake. He's still saying he had to do it. He's just saying he's going to do this new thing now. And it's very funny that he thinks these people are going to return to work because I guarantee you they are never going back again. Oh my God. Why are you kidding me? I can't even get out of here. Oh my gosh. Come on. Get out of here.

Oh man. That was just like me. That was so good. That was so good. Love it. Mmm. No, no, no, no, no. Good stuff.

You make loving stuff. That's fun, Robert. That's something no one has, no. Good stuff. Yeah, you make loving stuff. That's something no one has ever said to Elon Musk. No. No, they have not. Oh, fuck. So let's go to the story of one of the people who's a party to this lawsuit, plaintiff Hawkins.

Hawkins was Twitter's vice president of real estate and workplace responsible for its office leases and managing its offices. So you can tell this person's not gonna be long for the company, because Elon's no longer dealing with any of that. Yeah, da, da, da, da, da, talks about her whole career, which I don't really care about.

But yeah, so she's not opposed, it says that she was not opposed to the merger or the concept of Musk as Twitter's new CEO. She received word of the impending merger deal while on family vacation. Didn't know a lot about Musk at the time. I don't think that's possible, but okay. It just seems weird that you wouldn't know a lot about Elon Musk and live in the Bay and the tech industry, but yeah, maybe.

Probably. I guess it's like, you cannot know about him, but you can know. Yeah, the Tesla guy. Yeah, he's the Tesla guys. That's probably what she means. Given the uncertainty, her focus in the period leading up to the merger in the leadership she provided her team, sent around one basic principle. Let's focus on doing our jobs and protecting our people.

During the pendency of the merger, employee retention was a critical concern, as we've talked about, yada, yada, yada, musk. Okay, as the closing of the, as the closing of the merger approach, musk's behavior heightened Hawkins' concerns. He showed up to an all hands meeting exactly once, arriving late and spending his time talking about extraterrestrials.

Oh! Oh! Oh! Is that so funny? Is that the one where he also talks about gizmos and how he likes gizmos? That may be, I think that may come a little bit later. But it's very clear, he was talking about aliens

this whole time and all of these tweets were just saying, I don't wanna know. It's so right, it's so, he's such a work. It's just like one of those, he thinks he's so interesting and like, oh, everyone's so boring, I have the great conversations, but he's only got these stock things. He has like a thing he says about aliens

and a thing he says about simulations. And that's it. Like that's his idea of like, yeah. Yeah, it's very much like a push button get bacon attitude to comedy. Yeah, like, yeah. But like he thinks it's like this like deep, like interesting conversation that goes beyond

his one like talking point about it But you know, yep Maybe stuff maybe he's not maybe he's yeah fast name. So he's he shows up once He boasts about aliens even after that meeting Hawkins kept an open mind hoping that musk's odd behavior would not impact his leadership Once he took over Twitter and the employees were part of his team But Hawkins also formed a strong determination to remain at Twitter, at least throughout any transition period in order to shepherd her team through the transition. The reality of Musk's new directives and operations of Twitter almost immediately shattered that

determination. Upon Musk's arrival at Twitter, he brought with him a transition team of executives and sycophants from his other companies, from whom Musk directed Twitter's employees to take direction. This is the transition team. He also brought over Tesla engineers to, upon information and belief, make retention and termination decisions. The transition team decreed that no managers were allowed to communicate with their teams via Slack.

Which just like, just nukes the business, right? Like this is the only way we communicate for most things. And you're like, nobody gets to do this. They froze all payments to vendors until they could be verified. No explanations were ever given us to what this meant or why it was being done. Yeah, it basically Twitter was just breaching contracts and mass without informing the vendors or the employees communicating with these vendors as to why. Face with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars

in outstanding invoices with no reasonable expectation of timely payment. Many of these vendors informed Twitter that they would not be performing further work for Twitter until those invoices were paid, which is by the way part of why DeSantis' announcement was a failure is that Twitter hadn't paid a major vendor that was responsible for like

keeping Twitter spaces up and online. Yeah, specific spaces, yeah. Yeah, very funny. But you know who does pay all their vendors because their vendors are me. They pay you over and over. They pay you over and over. Yeah, yeah, that's that's who I get paid. Yeah, so help me get paid. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So help me get paid.

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That was really good. But I think you're praising me a little too much. It was. It is your show, Barbara. You did both miss one that I did a little too much. It was, it is your show, Robert. You did, you did both miss one that I did a little bit ago. What did you do? Yeah, I was pretty proud about this. But yeah, I've also forgotten which one I did. You missed one.

Listeners, you can go search for it. It was seven minutes ago, nobody commented on it. Pull up the set list for rumors and figure out which one I did. That's a little more. You'll get a prize. You'll get a prize. I'm not gonna tell you what it is.

And like Elon Musk, I will probably not follow through with this promise. But, you know, whatever. But you say it's a little lie. Was it not that funny? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you know, whatever. You say it's a little lie? Was it not that funny? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you sweet little lies. Oh, man, good stuff. So, yeah, Twitter fired these vendors when they were like, you know, had issue with

not getting paid. Musco attempted to halt the payment of his employees contractually mandated November RS U-Vess, like these people were guaranteed by their contracts, a certain number of vested internal stock units that he's just saying, attempting to not pay people. God, what a piece of shit. Robert Caden was fired shortly after the November Vest payments went through.

On information-belief, Caden was fired because of his actions and making the November RSU payment and compliance with Twitter's obligations over musk subjections. Delayna Brandt, Twitter's chief people officer and Hawkins' direct manager, handed in her notice within days after the merger closed because she was disgusted at how people were being treated. On her about October 30, 2022, Hawkins attended a meeting with Steve Davis, Jared Birchall,

and many of Twitter's global leaders. In that meeting, Davis announced several changes that voted ill for Hawkins attended a meeting with Steve Davis, Jared Bertchall, and many of Twitter's global leaders. In that meeting, Davis announced several changes that voted ill for Hawkins' team and her role at Twitter. First he announced that Twitter's sourcing and procurement team should handle all lease negotiations from that point forward, despite lacking both personnel and experience sufficient to handle this task. Next he announced that the company would no longer be working with brokers to procure and negotiate leases.

This choice ran in conflict with every established standard and practice of commercial real estate management. And obviously, this is like a massive burden on the in-house staff, which has just been like cut viciously. The only justification given for changes was Elon wants this. Very soon thereafter, Davis informed Hawkins that Twitter needed to find $500 million to say annual savings. So to do this, just a half billion.

Yeah, Sophie, by the way, I'd like us to find half a billion dollars in savings this year for the company. Can we get the team on that? You know, maybe get the engineers on that. Sure. Yeah, I'm willing to cut out coffee. Garrison's gonna need to find like three or four hundred million dollars.

And yeah, together, I think that'll do it. My hundred million dollars in coffee and another three or four hundred million dollars we can make it. Yeah. Sure. I think that might be too much coffee anyway. Yeah. I mean, you're probably right. It'll be good for my heart. Are you? No, I should just switch to cocaine again. That's, that was just like 20 or 30 million a year. So I was gonna say T maybe, maybe switch to T. Wow. I don't know about that. That's pretty English.

Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't think Fleetwood Mac did too much T, but they said not. No, I think so. Yeah, yeah. Rumors wasn't made on Earl Grey. That was made on China White.

Anyway, to accomplish this, each global lead was given a massive spreadsheet that had to be filled out every single day, identifying possible savings opportunities. Hawkins' a spreadsheet covered 30 locations and upwards of 50 leashes. The pressure to fill in the spreadsheet on time was immense. Expectations from above made it clear that compliance was prioritized above accuracy. That's a good, you know, you're making it a good team. When people are like, you don't actually need to do your job as long as you're on time. That is wild. That's so funny. That's super funny. It's that, it's that, that marvel thing, we're like five months ago,

they were like, we're gonna stop focusing on quantity and start focusing on quality. It's like, yeah, you gotta do it. What are you gonna do before? How would you describe what you were doing prior to this? Make sure it's good first. Yeah. Oh God, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty good stuff. For example, Twitter

instructed Hawkins to identify leases for cancellation when she identified potential sites and leases that could be terminated for cost savings. Hawkins and her team took the time to document risk factors involved in downsizing or terminating these leases. One of the big things is that like if you break a lease, you often have to pay a fee. Like if you do that with your apartment, you might have to pay like an extra month of rent. If you do that for like a giant corporate lease

for thousands of workers, it could be significantly more money. One would imagine. Yeah, and it notes when the time came to present their conclusions, this added context was not well received. When informed of the risks of termination fees during a meeting on November 3, 2022, Steve Davis said, well, we just won't pay those. We just won't pay landlords.

Davis also toured at Hawkins. We just won't pay rent. These are direct quotes from Davis per Hawkins' best recollection to the extent that they are not word-for-word accurate. They are extremely tight paraphrase, blah, blah, blah. Hawkins is shocked because part of her job, like is reputation based, like I am the person managing leases for this company

and we will make meet our obligations. We pay on time, we pay down to. Yeah. In general, we pay. Again, it's one of those things that in order for Elon to meet his cost saving goals, this woman has to like destroy her future in the business, knowing that she will immediately get shitt canned as soon as possible.

Um, it's just like such a gross guy and way of looking at people and looking at business. Like it's hard to be. Lee looks through people. He doesn't look at them. Yeah. No, he is incapable of like seeing or caring about human beings, which are all sort of tools, or little pieces for his. Yeah.

Like a plan, I guess. Players only love you when they're playing. Yeah, that's what everyone says about Elon Musk. So I don't know, that one is shoehorned and I see it. It's okay. A lot of these these are gonna be half-ass guys. But you know, we're just not gonna make it all, the mall work very well. Unwilling to be involved in let alone responsible

for such slifts, Hawkins resigned the next day. He is asking her to steal. She did so despite her internal commitment to remain through the transition to protect her team because she had no other choice Yeah, I get that that kind of scans like he is saying I need you to commit a series of crimes for me Elon Musk a man and capable of loyalty So yeah, right. That's the other thing like there's no like And there's just even if you're like on his good side at one point. it's worth nothing. Yeah. It's worth nothing in your worth nothing to him. And as soon as you even like not even like barely a challenge will turn him around.

And then you're going, who becomes the scapegoat for things actually in this situation, which it hits the fan, you know, they're more likely to get wrapped up in that Elon Musk isn't clearly. He You know, they all of it. We've all seen succession. I think, right? We've seen it. Maybe Robert hasn't. No, I yeah, it it happens. Yeah, I don't know what it would like. I get why she did what she did. Um, so Killian is the next person we talk about Joseph Killian. He was Twitter's global head of construction and design. He was immediately given Hawkins his duties after she quits.

He worked directly with the transition team and was directed by Steve Davis and Liz Jenkins who worked for the Boring company and Pablo Mendoza, a venture capitalist who invested with Musk. Yeah, so that's cool. It's boring. Oh God. Oh God. Yeah, I mean, it's a big scam, but they still are a company.

They dug that stupid hole in Las Vegas. I went through that, but you're saying that. But you're saying that. I feel like they're like not a company anymore. I mean, they have engaged in what are effectively a series of cons, like roping in local governments to agree to work with them, and then actually like pulling it out and then like canceling other more viable transportation plans. Yeah, just to fuck with like public transportation.

So I just noted like this guy, Killy and gets given Hawkins's job and he's being managed by Steve Davis and Liz Jenkins who work for the boring company. And then there's this bit, which is amazing. Killian was also directed in these activities by Nicole Hollander. An information and belief Hollander was not employed by any of Musk's companies. An information and belief Hollander is Steve Davis's girlfriend and the mother of his child.

What? So, Musk's like transition team are just like hiring their girlfriends to manage the people in committing real estate fraud I It's that sick amazing where it's like yeah, if you like say oh my god On information believe Hollander was living at Twitter headquarters with Davis in their infant child who was a month older What the fuck Yeah family values. Awesome.

Despite not being employed by any of Musk's companies, Hollander nonetheless had full instructional authority over Killy and the rest of his team with regards to the transition. Almost immediately Musk's zero cost-vases policy reared its head. Killy and was informed by the transition team that he would have to justify his spin to Musk personally, and that if Musk was not convinced that the expenses were necessary, he would simply default on his contractual obligations and let the expenses go unpaid. In early November, Davis sent a 3am email to 15-20 managers complaining about Twitter's rent obligations, which totaled 130 million annually.

In this email, Davis specifically compared Twitterinter's Rit-Opligations to SpaceX's, noting that Twitter had one-tenth as many employees as SpaceX, but paid five times as much rent annually. Of course, Twitter had significantly more employees when it first occurred its Rit-Opligations. Killing quickly became concern that Musk intended to stop paying Rit-Opligations on Twitter's outstanding leases, breaching the contracts and placing the company at risk of being evicted. Indeed, Musk's attorney, Alex Spiro, gladly opined that it was unreasonable for Twitter landlords to expect Twitter to pay rent since San Francisco was a shithole.

Oh my god. Is that the only thing you need to not pay rent? Yeah, this city with a fraction of the violent crime, for example, many parts of Texas. Yeah, it's. I was just gonna say, because if that's the case, I think we could apply it to a lot of places. Yeah, I, yeah. I'm so frustrated by this man and all of the people around him. He's a very hateable man.

Yeah, he incredibly hate a little man or piece of shit, whatever. Musk even went so far as to prevent Twitter from paying the janitorial staff for the work they had already provided after the janitors complained about being fired. In essence, it quickly became clear to Killian that Musk's intended method of operation was to obtain services from vendors without any intention of keeping the agreements or paying for services requested and received. In other words, robbing people, like stealing from them theft, the thing that he's complained about happening on the streets of San Francisco. Yeah.

Well, it's okay if you wear a suit and do it. Yeah, it's great if you wear a suit and do it. Absolutely. Again, it's what kind, yeah. I'm great with you. It's, yeah. The, the, I really like it. Yeah, you're really great with me because I know I'm not wrong. I feel like, I feel like if we're going to have these really fucked up stand your ground

laws, you know, where people can basically like commit murder, if they feel like their car is going to get stolen or something, I feel like you should have the right to do that if you're like a janitor working for Elon Musk. Like, you should, you should be allowed to draw on him. Yeah. I, yeah, I think that this is a self-defense situation. I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. I, whatever. I don't know. This is, this is so disheartening. Yeah, it's really, it's like really disgusting. Yeah, and it's just, I guess I've seen some of the, if I look at lifted and sort of like people's, like rose colored glasses on about him,

be taken off a bit, but it's just obvious the kind of person he is and like, how he doesn't really care about a lot of the stuff he says he cares about and it's just I don't know sucks hate it. Yeah, it sucks. He just cares about it's being yeah. He's he's he sees himself primarily as an entertainer because for some reason like all of the worst people in America his primary goal is to to be famous for making people laugh or whatever. It's weird, because stand-up comedians are the most miserable people in the world, and also all of the worst

richest people desperately wish they were a stand-up comedian. You saw it when fucking what's his name. Dave Chappelle brought him out that like, oh, you could have an audience eating out of the palm of your hand. You would be happier than you've ever been in your life. But like, it's the one thing you can't buy. And we've talked about that on various shows that we've been on or have. But you know, obviously this was not a cool kid. He was, he's not a well-liked person. No. The only cashier that he's ever had is his money. He's not even a smart, innovative person. Every idea he's had is someone else's idea that he's taking. I mean, are any of his businesses

doing well? Yeah, you see the lot also with like the AI quote unquote, boom, where it's so clear some of this is just like, oh, you just wish you were a little more creative. Yeah, that's where they hate writers. Exactly, you are an artist, you hate writers, you hate musicians, you hate creators because you can't do it well, or you're not praised enough for it or whatever. And so you have to have the machine do it.

Totally. I think what we actually need to solve most of our problems, a basic income that ensures that people could just paint or make music or do comedy and survive. And here's the key part, then we use AI to give the people who are worst at it a fan base. So they feel like they're successful. And they don't become even a grouter. Yeah, yeah.

Yes, we make them, you people feel like he's got fans. Yeah, they'll never meet them. They do the year-old. Yeah, exactly. And then we can, we don't have a daily wire. This person doesn't exist accounts where they make like, oh, this is a fake person.

It is made with a bunch of people. An audience of them following him and clapping and clicking the like button, praising his bad pilot. Now, I'm envisioning like a black black. I know they're saying that what? I know I'm envisioning like a black mirror episode where some journalist is like confused at how there's so many Ben Shapiro fans of his TV writing or like how Elon Musk is such a successful stand-up comedian and he like he cracks the case and then like the FBI has to come destroy him because you have, like you don't know what we're keeping a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, saying, oh, this could be our leader. Into the world. Into the world.

Into the world. Now I'm like, maybe this is our saving gray. Exactly. Positive reframe. Yeah. But you know what's even better than AI providing a fan base for all of the weirdo right wing culture warriors who got into advocating genocide because nobody laughed at their jokes. I don't want to know. Oh, well, it's you. It's both of you. Oh, thank you so much. It's our time to plug stuff. Yeah, I got a time to do one last

one last fluid Mac reference. Oh, I mean, we could. We still can. Mm-hmm, I did. Well, this has been a total, has been one of my dreams. Now that was bad. That was good, that was good. That was good. I'm proud of you. Being here to stay with you guys.

Oh, we have a show called Some More News that Cody Hose on the YouTube channel. And a podcast that Cody's going to tell you about now. It's called some more news. And you can watch it on youtube.com slash the name of the show probably. And even more news is the name of the podcast version, which is more of a different kind of show with the same people, uh, where podcasts are available.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so check them both out. Check it out. Google the names of our names and you'll find all the stuff that we do. Google Google Katie stall, Google, Cody Johnston or Google them by their nicknames, C money and K money, which is exclusively how I refer to them in private.

It's true. All the time. I don't really respond because I always forget, but yeah, that's how I type it out when I'm saying I just call you both C'money, but they seem to know. This has been, oh, I definitely, that works. C'money. C'money. Yeah.

I just have one last thing to say to you both, then it's that you make love and fun. Oh, there we go. There we go. Yeah, come back for the next part of this series when we'll be talking about another album. I don't know which other album. I don't know. Hey, do you guys feel about the Dyer Straits?

I only know one song that they wrote. I only know a couple songs. I only know money for nothing. Limited references available. Well, we'll work this out. We'll work this out. We'll do rumors again. We're just do rumors again.

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A lot of piss. Yeah, that's my new- You have to cut piss out of the podcast. When we say it the way we do, yeah. Yeah, it's really not out of your own bones. Yeah. Definitely not okay. Anyway, that's been an episode.

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