Behind the Bastards - Part One: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

Episode Date: March 12, 2019

In episode 51, Robert is joined by Katy Stoll and Cody Johnston to discuss George Lincoln Rockwell, the grandfather of all modern fascists.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And the wrongly convicted pay a horrific price. Two death sentences in a life without parole. My youngest? I was incarcerated two days after her first birthday. Listen to CSI on trial on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's itching my rashes? I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards. Nobody liked that intro. Sophie is giving me the cut signal. Everyone else just looks ashamed. Cody's giving me the thumbs up. I'm politely smiling.

Katie's politely smiling. I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards podcast. Talk about bad people, the worst people, all of them in history. What you don't know about them. My guest today, Cody Johnston. Katie Stoll. Hello. How are you guys doing? Great. Really, really well.

I'm doing fantastic. What did you guys think of my intro? I thought it was good. I'll reiterate. The thumbs up. Yeah. That scans well for a podcast. I'm going to do it again.

Physical comedy is great for podcasting. I was fine with your intro. Thank you. It's no what's cracking my peppers, but they can't all be. You just, you got to try stuff out. You got to try stuff out. That's the only way you know it works. And it's also a great way to get rashes.

Speaking of rashes while we're on the subject. Speaking of a rash on our collective nation. Our subject for today is a fella named George Lincoln Rockwell. Have either of you all heard of George Lincoln Rockwell? Minimal. Yeah, I'm not that familiar. I would say based off of three names, he killed people. Not directly.

But those are always the people who wind up killing the most people. Indirect wise. People who don't directly kill people are the killings people in the world. Yeah, he's got blood on his hands. Well, yes. Absolutely. So near the end of February, 2019, if you remember that far back, federal authorities arrested US Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Hassan with a cache of guns and a list of

liberal and leftist politicians and journalists he wanted to murder. In April 1995, Tim McFay detonated an enormous fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Last October, Robert Bowers walked into the Tree of Life synagogue and murdered 11 people. Between 1995 and 2019, we've seen a couple of hundred far-right terror attacks and attempted terror attacks and murders. Behind each of these attacks and each of these deaths is an individual terrorist with his or her own journey to radicalization.

One single man who shows up in the ideological chain of custody for every single act of right-wing terror in our lifetimes. And that man is George Lincoln Rockwell. There it is. There we go. I'm so excited. Excellent intro. In the worst way possible.

Y'all were, when I knew I was doing GLR, what we call it, GLR. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those of us in and out. I'm just calling it GLR heads. I knew y'all were the only possible guests for this. Appreciate that. That's so touching. We also produced regular terrified content about the horrifying things happening in our

country. That's our niche. This guy makes a lot of that make more sense because he's where most of it starts. So, this week's three-part episode is the longest podcast I've ever written. By a couple of thousand words, it started initially as a five-part special episode. I wanted to go into detail about all the bastards behind our current wave of right-wing terrorism. There's a fascinating, terrifying intellectual history there, and I think it's very important for people to know.

I was just going to be one part of that series, but then I wrote 13,000 words on him. So, here we are. I am still going to put together a five-part audio book on all the bastards who invented right-wing terror. We'll talk about that a little bit at the end of this episode. Yes. But Rockwell is special. He's the grandfather of all modern American fascists.

He started the sort of fight that we're all in right now if you consider yourself in that fight. A bad fight. It's a terrible fight. Nobody likes it. And it's a ridiculous fight. So, let's get into it. Rockwell was born on March 9th, 1918 in Bloomington, Illinois.

So, like me, he's an Illinois baby. Aw. Yeah. I see the similarities and the connections already. Yeah. I mean, he just wait. Now, he was the oldest of three children. George's parents were both vaudeville performers.

His dad was somewhat famous for pretending to be a doctor in a bit that does not translate down to the decades, because I've read a couple descriptions of it and I can't understand what a joke was supposed to be. Oh, I love that kind of stuff, though. It's like, oh, you really, you literally had to be there. You had to be alive in the 20s. You had to be there for 30 years before that joke was told. No shade on him, though, because I feel like that's true for all old comedy.

Oh, yeah. I just does not translate. No, I was just watching a movie I used to love, the second Ace Ventura movie. And even 10 years past, like the last point I watched it, I was like, oh boy, a lot of this stuff. Just does not age. Just does not age. Now, his dad's nickname was Doc because of the aforementioned bit where he pretended

to be a doctor. In the biography I read of Rockwell, For Race and Nation, claims his dad was an egomaniac. A nephew recalled that the sun went up and down on what he was doing, period. Another could not recall one instance of affection expressed by Doc towards Lincoln. Doc Rockwell lavishly entertained show business friends who journeyed from New York to Southport for a little rest and relaxation. George's parents divorced when he was young, and so he split his time between showbiz hangouts with his narcissistic dad and languishing with mom and his overbearing racist aunt.

One of his cousins described that side of the family as Archie Bunker types. Anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, and anti-Italian sentiments were all common at home, but racist talk was kept inside the family. His dad was not anti-Semitic for that fact. He was in showbiz and stuff. So he had a lot of Jewish friends and whatnot. So that seemed to be on the small side. His gross aunt.

And probably his mom, yeah. Probably his mom. I mean, I guess literally everyone was racist by modern standards back then. Yeah. I mean, what props for them to keeping it inside the house? Keeping it in the family, although they did not because it boiled over. The most it possibly could have. I heard it.

I feel like it's bleeding. Right, right. I'm trying to, yeah, I'm forgetting where the story's going. Although, I should note that his family expressed nothing but shock and shame at the beliefs Rockwell would peddle as an adult. So, whatever that's worth. Good for him. Way to go, way to go, Doc.

Way to go, Doc Rockwell. As a teenager, George Lincoln Rockwell worked as a waiter in a tourist hotel on the coast. He angered easily. That's a big surprise. And would regularly get revenge on female patrons who he thought had annoyed or slighted him in some way. His favorite method of doing this was rubbing a syrup-soaked rag on doorknobs, pocketbook handles, light switches, and anything the women might touch.

What a little imp. What an insult. They're like all ready. What? They all are. They are. They're so resentful of being slighted by random women that he works for. Most of what you've said, except for the stuff about the comedy that doesn't translate,

is very applicable to the modern men that I know. Except for these present. I mean, have you touched a door handle that I've been around lately? I have not. Because I got a syrup-soaked rag in my pocket at all times. Yeah, I don't do that anymore after I slighted you that one time. Yeah, after you slighted me that one time. Exactly, exactly.

I mean, to be honest, most of what I use the rag for now is in case there's like a pancake emergency. Sure, sure. Obviously. Obviously. Just smart. Just smart. Anyway.

Just good planning. My favorite jam band, Pancake Emergency. When they played at Red Rocks. Oof, oof. I love their song, The Syrup Sensations. That one day of that year when they played at Red Rocks. Solid jam band here in this Nazi podcast. Oh yeah.

George Lincoln Rockwell grew up mean and tall into a lantern-jawed six foot four inch adult. He had a commanding presence and an almost pathological need to impress or intimidate everyone he met. His high school yearbook said this about him. Quote. Without question, Lincoln is the loudest talker on the campus. The originator of more weird theories than anyone else and the academy's outstanding artist.

We have every assurance of his being successful because of his incomparable personality and originality. Originality is important. It's good. It's good. You can say a lot of things for George Lincoln Rockwell. Most of them terrible, but he was an original thinker. I think you'll agree with that by the time we come around to the end of the year.

I have no issues with this guy. I like his originality. You like the cut of this he jib? Yeah, I'm torn with this guy. Well, let's keep cutting into the jib. I don't know what a jib is. George went to Brown University, but he did not enjoy it. He was irritated by the progressive ideals of his professors.

But little political correctness existed in American universities in 1938, was too much for Rockwell. Oh, all these PC thugs in there. Don't spit directly onto the black people. You PC police? PC culture in the 30s and 40s, get out of here, get out of here, George. You know how it is. According to his biography, he later claimed he never bought the idea of human equality.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's not for sale, man. It's not for sale. Sorry. Do we just think people are people? It's not.

It's not a product. You're not. No. You're not selling that to George. To GLR. He got a job at the school paper, and he drew bad political cartoons and worse columns. A lot of his work was killed by his editors before even being published. Do you have any other political cartoons?

I mean, it's censorship right there. But I feel like if you just take a Ben Garrison cartoon. I was like, I want to see this proto Ben Garrison. I bet that's who he cites as an inspiration. It's got to be. It's got to be. He will not be the only person. Now Rockwell's schoolwork was not much better.

At one point, he got an assignment to write about the factors that led to criminal and delinquent behavior in young people. Rather than doing research and writing a scholarly article, Rockwell wrote essentially a speculative sci-fi fable about scientists in Africa. That was the title. According to this fable, he wrote, the scientists were quote, studying why ants acted like ants. They searched around until they found a lot of ant hills, observed them for many years, and finally came up with the discovery that when ant eggs were hatched in tunnels in a

certain kind of hill in Africa and grew up among six-legged creatures called ants, they themselves were so affected by the strong environment that they became themselves ants and waved their antennae like ants, scurried around aimlessly like ants, looked like ants, and were ants. He's saying, black people are dumb because they have to study ants to know that they're ants. That's the joke. That's the whole joke.

It's a funny joke. I hate it. It's terrible. No, it's a funny joke. The rule of threes is really on display in this, God, George. This is the least racist thing we'll be hearing about today. It's like, wait, what's, I was just talking about culture, where is he going now? No.

That's the whole point. Yeah. It's tough. In spite of his clear talent for storytelling, Rockwell did not excel in college. He never graduated, and he wound up enlisting in the United States Navy slightly before we got into World War II. He became a pilot and flew combat missions in Guadalcanal, as well as, like, he flew combat missions in both the Pacific and the Atlantic theaters.

And he seems to have been a pretty good pilot during the war. Like, he was very active, flew a lot of missions, like did a lot of dangerous stuff, although that did not stop him from lying about his service later. He would spend the rest of his life claiming that he'd sank two Japanese submarines. This means George Lincoln Rockwell and L. Ron Hubbard both picked the exact same lie to tell about their service in World War II. Oh, yes. I don't know what to do with that info.

Right. What does that mean? You just stored away for later. You just stored away for later. You think that you track, you know, in Sunday, the dots would connect. There's two of them. I'm waiting for three. Ray, you need a third one to really take shape, waiting for Donald Trump to talk about the

submarines. Yeah, the two submarines. Which one came first? You know, like, who said it first? I think it must have been right around the same time, because they were both starting to be on the public scene in the 50s. Yeah, the sort of, like, general, like, I wonder if that, just like, for a few years, just a bunch of people were like, oh, yeah, it's a submarine, submarine, submarine, submarine.

There's probably a lot of people that made that claim. Yeah. They were both in the Navy, and my God, I can't stop thinking about what if it's some air base in the middle of World War II, the two of them wound up having a beer at some time. I was just thinking that. I like to think that it's true. That's a great one-act play.

That is great. That is a hell of a one-act play. You write it, we make it. I'm playing Elra. Oh. Oh, shit. We will make that. I think that's a great idea.

Okay, to be continued on that. To be continued. Yeah, to be continued. During their conversation, they're like talking, like, getting along, and getting to know each other in the background. You hear, like, someone like, I just sank two submarines. That's a great idea. That's a great idea.

And it's like, watches over them, like, they don't even realize they're, like, absorbing it. Just sinks in there. Yeah. Anyway, here's what Rockwell looked like, here's what Rockwell looked like during the war. Who wants to describe him? Oh, Katie.

Just the way that. Oh. Okay. Honestly, he looks a little bit like my cousin, David. He really does. No shade on your cousin, David. I was going to say Beavis. No shade on my cousin, David.

Beavis? Yes. Oh, God. He really does with that mustache. And he's got that, he's got some impressive brow work going on and a nice furrowed gaze. Yeah. Yeah. Katie, you take a whack.

God, David. I would say he looks like if Farva joined the military, right? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see that. Like, he gets a little more fit. He gets very, he's a very serious man now, but it's totally Farva. Oh, he doesn't, you know, he looks like someone who wipes syrup on handles.

Yeah. He does look like a man who wipes syrup on handles. I hate to say it, but he will get way better looking as the story progresses. Okay. Yeah. He, he, the mustache, the mustache was an error. The mustache was a mistake. That's just one mistake.

He's like, about all the things I ever did, I'm sorry about the mustache. In general, I'd say mustache is our mistake. Not all. My dad is a mustache. Sorry, dad. Dad's going to have a mustache. You're throwing a lot of shade your family. I was just thinking that and I was regretting it.

This whole story reminds me of my shitty aunt. Apologies, it was a stole family. After the war, Rockwell decided to try his hand at art with the dream of working in advertising. He was accepted by the Pratt School of Design in New York City. In 1948, his second year, Rockwell won a $1,000 first prize in a national illustration contest. His winning piece was an anti-smoking ad for the American Cancer Society, which is ironic because for the rest of his life, Rockwell was seldom photographed without a corn cob pipe in his mouth. Hell yeah.

I like a man with principles. So do I. I like advertising. No, cigarettes are what's bad for you. Yeah, because a corn cob pipe, that fills up your cue zone better than a cigarette. Oh yeah? I've only read medical textbooks from the late 1940s. But according to those, the cue zone is really critical to keep filled with smoke.

The cue zone? The cue zone. That's what you got to keep smoke filled. Is it shaped like a cue or is it a stand for quality and quality zone? You fill with more smoke and that makes the quality of all the air in your body better. Oh, yeah. That makes perfect sense. Anyway, sponsors, Philip Morris, have been...

I would totally sell cigarettes. Would you? Everyone knows at this point. Sure. Well right, if I had that option, I'd be like, yeah, I'll sell these cigarettes, but I get to say, by the way, they're going to kill you and they're bad. That would be my whole advertising. I'm getting paid to say that these are available.

You want to die sooner because the world's a nightmare? Are you tired of everything? Yeah. They will age you quickly. Lidia for decades about us. Not me, baby. I'll tell you the truth. I'll sell you honest poison.

Now, speaking of honest poison, George Lincoln Rockwell opened up an advertising agency with two partners in Portland, Maine. This business came to an end with the Korean War started and Rockwell was recalled to active duty. He didn't fight this time though, instead he trained people at the Coronado Air Base and eventually got involved in politics. His chosen candidates were Senator Joseph McCarthy and General Douglas MacArthur. Yeah.

He loved both men for their violent resistance to the spread of communism, with which he agreed fervently. In 1951, deep in this anti-communist obsession, Rockwell decided to read the autobiography of the greatest anti-communist of them all, Adolf Hitler. He would later claim that reading Mein Kampf was the most powerful moment of his spiritual life. Word after word, sentence after sentence, stabbed into the darkness like lightning bolts of revelation, tearing and ripping away the cobwebs of more than 30 years of darkness, brilliantly

illuminating the heretofore obscure reasons for the world's madness. I hate him so much. Okay. Big Hitler stand here. Yeah. To put that in a little bit of context, China had gone communist in 1949 and by 1951 the Russians had officially got the bomb. The Korean War was seen, particularly by conservatives like Rockwell, as a crucial stand against the

violent spread of communism over the globe. Rockwell didn't jump straight into being a Nazi. His first political goal was to organize a rally, urging Douglas MacArthur to run for president. MacArthur, by the way, was the guy who got fired by Truman for trying to nuke China. Cool. Cool guy. Cool guy.

Good fire. Good fire. Solid fire. Yeah. Also the guy who, well, he's debatable how well he did in the Korean War. We could argue about that a lot. Now, according to Rockwell, he was stopped from renting a hall in San Diego for a MacArthur rally, when a local pro-MacArthur activist told him that the Jews hated MacArthur and

would not let such a rally happen. Okay. What did he do about that? He did not develop positive feelings towards Jewish-American citizens. What's this mind comp fan going to do about it? That's what we're, yeah. After some time in Coronado, Rockwell was sent back to Rhode Island on Navy business. His wife picked him up at the airport and, according to Rockwell, told him that in his

absence, she'd learned to be quote, independent and no longer wanted to sleep with him. We have no way of knowing if this is how the conversation actually went down, of course. No, no way. No, I know it did not go that way. Rockwell would later use this story to claim that his first wife, Judy, had been inflicted by what he called the common insanity of modern education, which made women feel their lives were lacking if they became homemakers rather than sought out careers. Rockwell claims he realized his wife had basically been ruined by modernity and that the marriage

was over. This is great. They're like, everything you're saying, like, yep, yep, that adds up. Yeah, I've seen, I know those people. Yeah, I know prominent figures who would relate to this guy. Yeah, this is the guy who invented a lot of that. Unfortunate, her name was Judy. What?

I feel like you feel like maybe that pushed him over the edge. You're not a fan of the name Judy? It's just like it rhymes with... My aunt's name is Judy. My mom's name is Judy. I mean, if you're like a guy who suddenly is very resentful of Jews and then your wife and then your wife is like... Oh, my God.

Yeah, you needed to stop it. By the way, that name sucks. I was like really coming down to bottom. Katie and I are on team the name Judy. The name Judy is fine. If you're not this guy... Yeah, if you're not... No, that makes sense though.

Yeah, I could see how he might have some issues with that. I withdraw my connections. Now, thankfully, Rockwell was immediately sent to Iceland next. And during a party in Reykjavik, he met Margaret Thora Halgrimson, a 23-year-old niece of the Icelandic ambassador. He started flirting with her and they eventually struck up a relationship. In 1953, he asked his wife formally for a divorce and she was happy to agree to that. He married Halgrimson soon after.

After his second cent with the Navy was done, Rockwell returned to the United States, Halgrimson in tow. They moved to D.C., where he put together a magazine for the wives of U.S. servicemen called U.S. Lady. It was not a success. Rockwell became convinced, however, that it was his mission to create a popular new conservative newspaper that could galvanize what he called the splintered and squabbling right wing into an effective political movement again. You might say his goal was to unite the right.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He pitched his idea to the American Federation of Conservative Organizations, giving it the title The Conservative Times. Tragically, he was unable to find investors for the surely fantastic idea. Eventually, Rockwell met a guy named Harold Aerosmith, the scion of a wealthy family who had become obsessed with pouring over the Library of Congress's microfilms to find evidence of a Jewish communist conspiracy to overthrow the nation. Since no actual scholarly publications were willing to publish his findings,

Aerosmith went to Rockwell and basically said, if you help me get my theories out there, I'll pay to print the shitload of propaganda. That's hyper-familiar too. Everybody's like, if you print my batch of stuff, I'll pay you money. It gets batch shittier. But before we cover what happens next on the amazing journey of George and Lick and Rockwell, As... Speaking of which, Katie, can we do a free plug for your water bottle?

Sure. I am loving the look of that water bottle. What is that? It's called SLM, I'm assuming that's for Slim. It's got a little wood grain. My favorite part is that it has a little straw that pops up. It has a little straw that pops up. If you want a bottle that looks like it's made of wood, buy you a Slim.

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This is the crazy story of the 313 days he spent in space. 313 days that changed the world. Listen to The Last Soviet on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back! Back in not the USSR, because Rockwell was terrified of communism. He would not have liked that song either. Probably wouldn't have liked anything they said. Probably wouldn't have liked most rock and roll. Probably wouldn't have liked their manager.

He might have liked Rocky Raccoon or something. He might have liked Rocky Raccoon. Would not have liked the Rolling Stones song, Paint It Black. Or Brown Sugar. You do not want to play Brown Sugar to George Lincoln Rockwell. Oddly enough, big fan of Hey Jude. That was the B-side for Back in the USSR, I believe. Rockwell took a shine to this rich guy, Aerosmith, immediately, calling him the most violent Jew-hater he'd ever met.

Which, in Nazi circles, was quite a compliment. He agreed to work on the project if Aerosmith would provide a home for his new wife and her children. Aerosmith agreed on the grounds that their project must use the name he'd settled on. The National Committee to Free America from Jewish Domination. Rockwell did not like the name, but agreed to do it for the money. On July 27th, 1958, the National Committee officially announced itself to the world with a picket of the White House. Rockwell printed out large placards covered in slogans. Don't fight another war to save the Jews.

He was talking about, like, Israel at this point and the wars they were fighting. Nasser, the president of Egypt, has jailed his reds, but Jews lie that he is red. Communism is Jewish. One of the placards just said the slur, kike. Sure. I mean, if you're going to do a thing that sucks, why not pee a piece of shit about it? Why not pee a piece of shit about it if you're going to do a thing that sucks? Rockwell marched with a small number of young racists he'd gathered.

Almost no one came to see them. The crowd that did show up was a mix of journalists and ADL photographers. Anti-defamation league. The National Committee marched, and then Rockwell took everyone to a local motel to drink beer. Motel? Motel. That is specified in the biography. To be clear, it was not a hotel.

It was a motel. There were cars within feet of them. Everybody had to pay for their own drinks. Everybody had to pay for their own drinks. The beds had penny slots. Those windows were right next to each other. Tragically, this would prove to be the high watermark for the National Committee, because Rockwell had actually sort of screwed over his wealthy benefactor, Aerosmith.

He'd printed only a few of the leaflets showcasing Aerosmith's research and used most of the committee's resources to print off his own propaganda for a completely different organization called the World Union of Free Enterprise National Socialists, or Wuffins. That's better. He's a loser. My God. I mean, tragically, he gets better at the branding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wuffins. It's a process. You have to understand, neo-nazis didn't exist yet. Wuffins sounds like a cute little pup name. Wuffins? Oh, Wuffins! Wuffins. You're right.

We're all together. We're Wuffins. We're one big family. Not you. Not you. We're one big family. We're one actually much smaller family than the family other people want to exist. On October 12, 1958, a racist named Wallace Allen detonated 50 sticks of dynamite

inside the Hebrew Benevolent Congregation Synagogue in Atlanta. Thankfully, he did this in the dead of night and no one was killed, but suspicion almost immediately turned to George Lincoln Rockwell, because when police searched Allen's home, they found letters between the bomber and Rockwell. One of Rockwell's letters from July mentioned a big blast, although he claimed this was a reference to a Wuffins picketing march he had planned and not any terrorist attack. It's a better motel party.

Like a blast in like, we're gonna have a blast. We're gonna have a blast. It's gonna be a big blast. It's gonna be a big 50 stick of dynamite size blast. Rockwell was not charged with any crime in the wake of the bombing, but that attacked mark the beginning of a national conversation that we're all still having to debate. What do we do with people who inspire terrorism but don't actively urge it in a legally actionable way? What do we do about that?

What do we do? I don't know, last December I lectured a room full of aspiring and current federal law enforcement people about this, and nobody seemed to have a real clear answer. Oh, good. Oh, good. I wanna hear more about that at some point. Yeah, happy to talk about that.

Now, the rabbi of the Hebrew benevolent congregation synagogue was a dude named Jacob Rothschild, which is an unfortunate last name to have if you are one of America's earliest white advocates for school integration and civil rights. He was a major, major like early civil rights advocate, and the members of his synagogue were unusually active in being white people who were like, we should all be less shitty to black people. Good advice. Good advice.

Why they also got bombed. Bad result of good advice. Yeah, that's how it goes. Thankfully no one died. In a Pulitzer Prize winning editorial for the Atlanta Constitution, Ralph McGill called the bombing, quote, the harvest of defiance of courts and the encouragement of citizens to defy law on the part of many southern politicians. It is not possible to preach lawlessness and restrict it.

To be sure, none said go bomb a Jewish temple or a school, but let it be understood that when leadership in high places in any degree fails to support constituted authority, it opens the gates to all those who wish to take the law into their hands. Yup. Well said. Agree. Would have been great if people had listened back in 1958. Why would we listen to what things happened in the past that might be directly related to the president?

Why would we think about that? Rockwell had been a fringe figure before the bombing. After it, he was completely abandoned by the mainstream American right. Aerosmith abandoned him too, and his naval reserve status was canceled in December. This left Rockwell destitute without even the money to keep the lights on. As 1959 dawned, Woofens only had nine fully initiated members with 12 more waiting to attain full membership status. I bet you guys are wondering what it takes to become a full member of Woofens. I was just thinking that.

You were thinking about that? You two, Cody? Okay. Well, there's a ceremony. Oh. There's a ceremony. It's described in Forace and Nation as, quote, pricking the cheek with a razor blade,

dripping a large drop of blood on the border of a swastika flag, and swearing allegiance to the party with the troopers' oath. Oh, these fucking nerds. Get out of here. These fucking nerds. Go away with this stuff that happens. I'm going to read the troopers' oath. Oh, please do.

Oh, yeah. I got it. In the presence of the great spirit of the universe, I'll capitalize. Oh, come on. And my loyal party comrades all capitalized. I hereby, all letters capitalized, irrevocably pledged to Adolf Hitler also capitalized,

the philosophical leader of the white man's fight for idealistic and scientific world order against the atheistic and materialistic forces of Marxism and racial suicide. I pledge my reverence and respect to the commander of Adolf Hitler's National Socialist Movement. I pledge my faith, my courage, and my willing obedience to my party comrades throughout the world. I pledge my absolute loyalty, even unto death, to myself as a leader of the white man's fight. I pledge a life of clean and manly honor to the United States of America. I pledge my loyalty and my careful compliance with its constitution and laws until those which are unjust

can be legally changed by winning the hearts of the people. To my ignorant fellow white man who will hate and persecute me because they have been so cruelly brainwashed. I pledge my patience and my love to the traitors of my race and nation. I pledge swift and ruthless justice. That is a cool oath for a great bunch of really cool kids. It's almost like what, even if you take out the race stuff, it's like what unites the right is they all fear the same things

and they all really really want the same kind of thing. It's almost like it is really similar. Getting to some ASMR here. This is what history does to me. It's just really frustrating. Troopers were given code names, which had to be related to their real names but also make them sound like total badasses. So a recruit named Birchard became Trooper Oak

because Birchard sounded sorta like Birch but George Lincoln Rockwell didn't think Birch was a badass enough tree. Oh my god, this is so good. It's all about the oak. It's like that George W. Bush thing where it's like he sees you eating a burger so he calls you burger. Or I don't know, Tim Apple? Tim Apple.

You know what, I'm not going to go out. That's funny. If I was the president, that's how I would refer to every business leader. Well, it's super hilarious and cool and great if you did it on purpose but it's just his broken brain. I would call Jeff Bezos, Jeffo Packages. That would be... You know Jeff Bookstore over here?

Yeah, Jeffy Books. Jeff Booksells. God, it would be great if he called Mattis Jim Marines. Yeah, David Army over here. These were great names. Great names. Also, it's crazy that we actually had a guy in that job whose literal name was almost David Army.

It was even sillier. So close. You were so well for him. That's amazing. Wolfens carried out several picketing actions which were basically protests in public areas where Rockwell and his stormtroopers would carry incredibly racist signs attacking the Jews or black people.

They also published anti-Semitic pamphlets and books with titles like Battle Call. Fight on your feet with the world union of free enterprise socialists or live on your knees with the Jews. Okay. Not great at titles. I mean, Battle Call is a fine title but that's subtitle. Not clickable.

All these stories, whenever you tell stories like this and then there's a title that has the word Jews in it, there's always implied, like you put a little stank on it. And it's always there, you can always feel it. You can even just reading it, just the way the rest of the sentence is constructed. A little stank. It's like how they wrote it.

I know how you're hearing this word when you write it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exact. I know how you're saying it in your head as you typed it. Now, it's important to note that Wolfens was not yet a totally Nazi party, at least not explicitly. Didn't they say? That oath was a private oath. Okay, so you just mean like, they weren't like, by the way,

we're Nazis. We're swirling around it. I mean, they were calling themselves national socialists, but they were up to that point avoiding being super explicit about the Nazi thing. Well, I mean, nationalism and socialism, those are two things he's putting together. And Rockwell did not consider himself a fascist.

He said he wanted an authoritarian republic, which is totally different than fascism. I don't know that many fascists want to call themselves fascists. Oh, this is a authoritarian republic. He said fascism got in the way of free enterprise. Now, while Hitler had been a racial nationalist, Rockwell sought to spread what he called

international racism. He believed that millions of Americans and Europeans were, quote, only a synapse away from discovering that they were national socialists and never knew it because they have never been allowed to know what national socialism is. Okay, maybe I don't know. Yeah, he felt that most conservatives

were really national socialists. They were just scared of the word itself because of all the bad press the original Nazis had received for some kind of explicable reason. All the bad press? All the bad press? Oh, you know. The media loves to stir up controversy.

The liberal media. They just can't stop attacking us for a couple of more than 10 million dead in death camps. A couple of more than 10 million, 20 million killed on the Russian front. It's just, you know... Overblown.

It's just this bias in the media. You kill 30 or 40 or 50 million people. And then you get a bunch of media lies. All of a sudden. Now, Rockwell knew that his first step towards making national socialism palatable to the general public was to convince them

that the Holocaust wasn't real. This was revolutionary at the time. There was no such thing as organized Holocaust denial in 1959. Tens of thousands of Americans had seen the death camps for themselves in person. Everyone had watched the newsreel footage from camps liberated by the American army.

That was one of the things Eisenhower had done as soon as we found it. Oh, everybody's seeing this. The world has to see this. So that people don't do what Rockwell's about to do. 1959. 1959. There are 30-year-old Holocaust survivors.

That's so recent to start. There's 16-year-old Holocaust survivors. Yeah. So in order to accomplish his goals, George Lincoln Rockwell had to invent the idea of Holocaust denial. Here's how for race and nation describes that process.

To establish a Holocaust was a hoax theme, Rockwell fabricated a story for a CD Min's pulp magazine called Sir with an exclamation point. Yeah! The story, quote, by a former corporal in the SS as told to master sergeant Lou Cour, which is Rockwell spelled backwards

genetically, related how the Nazis conducted vivisection on Jewish concentration camp inmates. The article was accepted and Rockwell received $75 in payment. When it was published, the editors used concentration camp photos alongside his story to enhance its appeal. To Rockwell's way of thinking, since the publisher

had used bogus photos for a bogus story, the Holocaust must be a Jewish fabrication. Rockwell was to use the magazine article as proof of a Holocaust hoax for the rest of his life. Okay. What do you say to that? That he invented Holocaust in on it. By, like, pretending

to, like, fake a thing? By writing a fake story about real stuff that Nazis cut up Jewish prisoners in the Holocaust. Right. Some of the doctors who did it admitted it later. Like, he just wrote a fake article about it. A fake article that could be, like, debunked

to be, like, see they're lying about the thing that is actually, oh my God. And he got paid $75 for that. He got paid $75. Wow. You could argue that modern Holocaust deniers, I mean, they're bad people, but maybe they're just grotesquely stupid. Maybe they really believe

what they're saying. But this is somebody that what's so evil about it is, he knows that he's... He's fought in World War II. Right. Like, doing that in the late 50s, because then, yeah, you have people now who are like, oh, it's 60 years later

after this conspiracy theory even started, so it makes sense that you can fall down that rabbit hole and, like, get convinced. You could talk to 25-year-olds with numbers on their arms. Right. At this point. Yeah. Man, what a bad person. I'm sorry, I'm starting to change my mind about this George guy.

Really? Yeah. On board for the first six pages, but then... Yeah, this is too much. This would be the first great innovation in Rockwell's life as the most influential racist in American history. But it was not enough to save the terribly named Wolfens. Without the backing of their millionaire patron and without any kind of mass

popularity whatsoever, Rockwell's dream of a National Socialist Party quickly fizzled out. By June of 1959, he had only three troopers left and the lease was up on their headquarters. Rockwell left the United States for Iceland where his wife and kids had fled because it turns out they didn't like being with the guy who was trying to revitalize National Socialism

less than 20 years after he left. Is this his second wife? Yeah. Yeah. When he arrived in Reykjavik, his wife wanted nothing to do with him. The police escorted him from her home. He got shithouse wasted and cried for a while, and then he decided that he must use the pain of his emotional life to galvanize him into being an even greater fighter for the cause of white people who, let me tell you,

were really hurting in 1959. He would later say that his wife leaving him had given him a quote, priceless armor of fearlessness. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. What doesn't kill us makes us Nazis. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes.

George Lincoln Rockwell returned to the United States with his new armor of fearlessness and began making the changes he believed would be necessary to cause National Socialism to catch fire in the American heartland. The first step, he decided, was to stop calling it National Socialism. You might expect that this would be his first move towards embracing a more moderate label for his

organization, but Rockwell actually went the opposite direction and started calling himself a Nazi. Okay. Here we go. In the oven. Oh my gosh. His strategic considerations were based entirely around what would gain him the most public renown.

A bunch of men wearing swastikas, calling themselves Nazis and goose-stepping around at demonstrations would gain more notoriety than a few weirdos ranting about National Socialism. In making this call, Rockwell was consciously pulling inspiration from a passage in Mein Kampf, quote, from Hitler. Whether they laugh or swear at us,

whether they present us as fools or as criminals, the main thing is that they mention us, that they occupy themselves with us again and again, and that gradually, in the eyes of the workers, we appear actually as that power with which alone one has to reckon at the time. Yep. There it is. There it is. There's that.

There's yet another piece of the frustrating puzzle in which we all live. In which we all live. So, like, bad attention is good attention, and attention is currency. Maybe attention is currency. He would have loved Twitter.

George Lincoln Rockwell would have dominated Twitter. He would have. He would have probably eventually gotten banned and then used that to sort of push forth. He would have then screen shot his name trending and then posted it on Instagram. I'm trending, and that's good no matter what. I get the joke,

but I think he's smarter than that. Knowing the line, he would have written it. I think he would have used it way better. I think he would have done, in this day, a thousand times better than Richard Spencher, or Jacob Rohl, or any of the failed far-right scriptures. Oh, yeah. They're dopes

that have stumbled into what they are. He's a genius. He's a terrible genius. Yeah, he's an intelligent man. But, in October 1959, George Lincoln Rockwell officially formed the American Nazi Party. With this action, he gave birth to the concept

of neo-Nazism. So, invented Holocaust denial and neo-Nazism within a year of each other. Heidi Barak, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said this in an interview with the WAMU Radio. Quote, He was the first person after World War II

when the knowledge of the Holocaust became known and the horrors that had happened under Hitler's regime were creating neo-Nazism in the United States. It's entirely possible that without Rockwell, Naziism would be dead as a political concept, at least in the United States. That is debatable. What isn't debatable is the foundational role

Rockwell played in the concepts behind racist organizing in this country and worldwide. On Christmas Day, 1959, a synagogue in Cologne, Germany was defaced with swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti. This sparked a rash of attacks on synagogues across Europe. Rockwell joyfully took credit for inspiring the violence.

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Thank God. You guys, I could tell you were like shaking from Rockwell withdrawals. I felt lost during that ad break. I know, that's what Nazi is sometimes. During the 1960 election George Lincoln Rockwell caused controversy by publicly endorsing Richard Nixon.

This move would be echoed decades later by the decisions of former KKK leader David Duke and racist asshole Richard Spencer to endorse Donald Trump in the 2016 election. To his credit, Nixon immediately told ABC I completely repudiated him and all the evil he represents. Thank you, Nixon.

Thank you, Nixon. Thanks, Nixon, for not waffling on whether or not to disavow a literal nut. And thanks for the EPA. Yeah, okay. Opening up trade with China. There you go. Nixon, good guy.

Nixon. Not thank you for extending the Vietnam War. It wasn't a zero something. Also all that racist stuff. Also all that racist stuff. At least he did. Yeah. Let's stop talking about Nixon.

We'll do the nine-parter on Nixon. Another day. Rockwell was not just a blind ideological hate-monger. He was a serious racist thinker with serious racist goals and a fairly logical way of looking at the world. He developed a set of four phases that he believed were necessary for his party and its racist ideas

to gain power in America. These rules were based not just on what Hitler had done but on the strategies successfully employed by communist political movements in the east. Phase one, become known. This includes getting in the headlines, rallies, and promotional material. Phase two, develop leadership cadres, teaching about white rights,

and the anti-white movement, miscegenation, and party tactics. Phase three, mass recruitment. This includes public relations, toning down the party in order to become more mainstream, recastling the party as legitimate, instigating tensions that increase party membership, i.e. racial riots. And phase four, taking of power, mass action.

A crisis situation leads to rapid expansion. Paramilitary substratta of the movement begins to take control by force and using direct confrontations with the government and the security apparatus of the state. I assume you saw those chat logs from Identity Europa. Identity Europa, a direct descendant

of the American Nazi party, as are literally all of the fascist groups. Actively trying to infiltrate the Republican party and influence it. He is the founding father of American active fascism. Not sure if you're going to get to that or not, but I was flashed in my brain a little bit.

The third episode is just about what he inspired. I cannot wait. Oh, it's going to be horrible. I hate it. Rockwell was above all else a creative political thinker. On June 25th, 1961, he took nine members of his new revitalized American Nazi party to a nation of Islam rally

in Washington, D.C. The Nazis marched right into the Ullean arena, outnumbered 800 to one, and took their place among the otherwise almost entirely black audience. They were not there to protest, but to show support. The nation of Islam's leader, Elijah Muhammad and his right hand man, Malcolm X, were at the time black separatists.

Malcolm X's speech that night was literally titled separation or death. Despite repeated shocking statements of racism, Rockwell also regularly expressed admiration for Malcolm X. He backed the nation of Islam because he saw them as having the same essential goal as the A&P, racial separation of black and white people.

At one point during his speech, Malcolm X admonished the white members of the audience telling them they should really donate to the nation of Islam if they supported its cause. Rockwell was among the first to whip out a $20 bill and handed over. Life photographer Eve Arnold, who was there to shoot the event, took a picture of this. She was Jewish

and when Rockwell saw her, photographing him, he yelled, I'll make a bar of soap out of you. She replied, as long as it isn't a lampshade. Solid rejoicing. What a girl. What a girl. Alright, alright, alright.

That's a good comeback. I just locked eyes with all the women in the room and we were all like nodding. The nation of Islam event was great PR for Rockwell. Esquire magazine attacked him in his ideas, but he couldn't avoid describing him in weirdly positive tones. How much taller

he is than Hitler and how much better looking. And how much better looking. To be fair, they weren't wrong. By this point he shaved his mustache and he looked a lot. I mean, look at that. He's the guy in the middle and uh... Okay, yeah, it's an improvement.

Who does he look like to me? He's got some cheekbones going. A little bit Cary Grant in there. A little bit Cary Grant. Hitler. I mean, this isn't a side-by-side between him and Hitler, but you can just tell. He can tell.

He looks like a leading man. Actually, he doesn't look like a leading man. He looks like the villain. He looks like the Nazi. He looks like the Nazi. But he's kind of in the way that you're like Billy Zane. Yeah. Part of me was like go with Billy Zane.

He's got a hell of a jawline. So, Cody. Yes, right. The American Nazi Party was chronically low on funds the entire time Rockwell ran it. His fundraising strategy then relied entirely on ginning up controversy in his public appearances and using that to solicit donations.

He had a variety of ways of accomplishing this, but his most reliable tactic was getting invited to speak at colleges. Oh, interesting. There would inevitably be protests and often fight him, which would lead to publicity that would convince hidden neo-Nazis to mail him checks. Interesting. Well, those protesters seem like

the real Nazis. There's protestors because they're trying to shut down his speech. In San Diego, the Committee for Student Action invited Rockwell to speak at the State College. He gave a speech to a group of 3,000 students, introducing himself by saying, if I had wanted trouble, I could have worn my uniform with my Nazi armbands and the whole works.

Believe me, I know how to stir people up if I want to. Rockwell then railed against homosexuality in California. He talked about seeing men holding hands in the streets of Hollywood and told the students, if there's one thing I'd rather gas than communists, I'd like to see tears. At one point, 22-year-old Ed Cherry,

a Jewish student and hero, took the stage and demanded Rockwell hand him the microphone. When Rockwell refused, Cherry punched him in the face repeatedly and broke his sunglasses. Punch a Nazi. The rest of the speech was canceled. Next, Rockwell and his men were scheduled

to give a talk to journalists at the school newspaper. During the walk from the auditorium to the paper's offices, they were surrounded by students and pelted with eggs. They described what he said when he finally talked to the baby journalists. Rockwell told the journalism students that there was a conspiracy to discourage his speaking invitations.

The attack by Cherry was part of a plan to keep other colleges from inviting him. He put the attack in perspective, calling it a minor skirmish. Such violence hurt his cause in the short run but helped it in the long run because people finally realized what is happening that's ruining this country. It's terrorism. In other words, there is no free speech.

For a man who preaches what I do, they try to kill you. I'm so mad. Rockwell would speak at dozens of colleges over the course of his career. We'll talk about this more in part two, but I can't overstate how critical they were for the A&P's financial independence and how he literally invented the blueprint

that every right-wing grifter uses today. Yeah, we just keep coming back to that. I'll speak at a college, people will yell and throw stuff at me, and then I'll get more money. And then I'll be the guy who got shouted out at the school for speaking the truth. By those violent leftists. Yeah, the violent leftist Nazis.

Did he debate kids? And how? Oh yeah, he did. Love debating. Nazis are good, change my mood. God. The hundreds of dollars brought in by the honorariums paid by colleges literally kept Rockwell's lights on.

Soon there were A&P HQ buildings in Virginia, California, and Texas. The actual number of stormtroopers was rarely higher than a few dozen to maybe like a hundred or two at the most. But the presence of these buildings gave Rockwell's movement street cred and also provided an opportunity for him to make the news and thus solicit more donations.

A&P headquarters buildings were bedecked with signs that said stuff like, white man fight, smash the black revolution now. The black revolution to go to the same schools as everyone. Yeah. Use the same water for revolution. Revolutionary idea there.

Those of you who know me and my relationship with law enforcement know that I am not exactly a big fan of the FBI. To be honest, I have not forgiven them for their sarcastic exclusion act of 1918. But I am above all else, a fair man and for all of his many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many flaws,

J Edgar Hoover was not on the wrong side of this particular issue. The bureau instantly recognized Rockwell as a threat, his file described him as quote, a professional bigot, a con man, a malcontent and a chronic failure who will stop at nothing to gain notoriety and even power.

He is a man whose tongue and pen are jagged weapons are jagged weapons of slow destruction, a shrewd small mind inflated into a national nuisance by undeserved publicity. He is a braggart and a bully who tries to delude his maladjusted followers into believing they are crusaders. They did not, however, write him off as a harmless crank. Because the FBI knew something about Nazis that I really wish the modern FBI would catch onto. Quote, though small in numbers and influence, the A&P is a dangerous organization of misfits who are psychologically and physically capable of perpetrating acts of violence. If this organization is ever in a position to do so, these American Nazis, like the Nazis of Hitler's Germany,

will follow through with their obnoxious objectives of liquidating all whom they consider inferior. It is well to remember that in his early days, Adolf Hitler, like Rockwell, was ridiculed and scorned. We would do well to heed the American Nazi Party and to remember that history is replete with incidents where a nucleus of an organization and the right conditions merged to shake the foundations of the world. It is not like there are any incidents where, say, a military combat veteran built a 6,000 pound bomb and destroyed a federal building and killed 168 people. If something like that had happened, I'd say you should be worried. The FBI report on Rockwell included summaries of the

A&P's major publications. Quote, the Rockwell report, which appears monthly or every two months, is a pseudo newspaper in which Rockwell comments on and makes predictions regarding national and international occurrences, lashes out at hecklers and enemies, and discusses A&P business. The Stormtrooper, a bi-monthly magazine, contains articles regarding aspects of national and international Nazism, and features articles containing scurrilous squibs about Jews and Negroes. It's much more colorful. He definitely would have had a podcast. The FBI report also included descriptions of the A&P's pamphlets, which are just about the most hatefully racist things that I can imagine. The 1960s FBI agents writing about them

were shocked by the level of racism. Quote, leaflets, pamphlets, brochures, throwaways, stickers, and other types of easily disseminated messages are the more common types of A&P propaganda. One repugnant pamphlet disseminated by the party advertises a Brotherhood Inward Talk dictionary. Compiled by the A&P as a public service for parents whose children are attending the integrated schools. There is even a section of this handy Brotherhood dictionary explaining how to be tactful about interracial love. Inside this pamphlet is a drawing of a familiarization kit whose contents include such odious items as selected rocks carefully balanced and weighted for breaking out school windows, pack of marijuana reefer cigarettes for smoking at interracial

orgies, etc., switchblade knife, lightning fast, extra long blade for stabbing students, and Spanish fly, powerful aphrodisiac for slipping into girlfriend's whiskey or wine. You know how with the KKK stuff it was racist but it was so dumb and bad that you could laugh at the cool coast camp a little bit. Cody, I would like you to describe this next pamphlet, which the FBI provided as an example of the A&P's typical humor, which they put and I put in quotation marks. Please don't actually read the slurs. I will be putting most of this stuff up on the site. I'm not going to put the stuff with slurs on it up on the site. I'll put the things where you can find it, but yeah, I don't. Yeah, we don't need to go too much into this. Well, A,

I mean, it's only words. The very first word is a word I will not say. Yeah, it's the N word. It's the N word. Very big, very bold, with the exclamation point. It's getting people's attention saying, hey, listen, look at this, look at this. You too can be a Jew. Exclamation point. It's easy, exclamation point. It's fun. Insult the white folks. Make more money. Love the white women. And then there's a picture of a book called How to Be a Jew. Yeah, yeah. I think you've gotten it across. Yeah, there's a lot of writing on there. Wait, let me finish the joke. That's me reacting to the funny joke. Is that a full number of ha's? That's awful. Do that on my site. I'm going to burn this script after reading. Yeah, I mean, this can't feel good to type up. No, no, it

did not. That's hideous. I do think it's necessary for everyone to hear because I want to contrast those publications with how Rockwell presented himself. Oh, this is like memes. It's like the memes you see right now. Yeah, I want to contrast those publications that we've just gone through with how Rockwell presented himself when he was in front of cameras and microphones addressing students. I'm going to play you an excerpt from a speech that Rockwell gave very close to here at UCLA in 1967. Sophie. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Raff and let me first say how grateful I am for this opportunity to speak on the academic community. It's the only opportunity left to me in this country to speak in a way that the American people get to hear and judge me for

themselves. In every other forum, every other place I attempt to speak out in the street, the people who loudest claim to love free speech and demand free speech for themselves, usually insist on using physical violence to try to stop me from enjoying my free speech. And when I try to speak in the streets, I need troops. The only place where I can speak. I can't even hire a hall. When I hire a hall, they usually threaten the owner. There's bomb threats and so forth. So this is the last refuge of free speech left in the country. And I'm sorry to say it is usually accorded to me by the Liberals. And I must confess, I admire their courage and their sincerity in granting this opportunity to me. Brave Liberals. Congrats, Liberals. Classic Liberals.

Classic Liberals. Let's be fair. That is classic Liberals. Classic Liberals right there. Literal Nazis speak at your college. Wow. This clip was from, you say, decades ago? 1967. Half a century in the past. I was wondering why the quality of the audio wasn't as much as today. If it wasn't that, I would have thought we were listening to CPAC or something. Like last weekend? Yeah. Not the liberal part. No, not that. No. There was, of course, ample racism in Rockwell's lectures and speeches to colleges, but nothing so hateful crass and crude as the things in A&P literature. It was a shallow veil, but one that fooled a number of Americans. Now, that is all I have to say for today for part one. Okay. When we come back on Thursday, or Wednesday,

actually, for part two, we're going to talk about the Jewish community's reaction to the American Nazi Party and the first attempts by activists. You might call them anti-fascists to respond to Rockwell's truly innovative trolling. It's going to be just a whole bunch of stuff that seems eerily familiar, despite being more than half a century old. Tune in. I can't wait. You guys got some pluggables. Well, actually, I want to do a quick thing first. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, as I mentioned at the start, this was originally going to be a five-part audiobook in the origins of American right-wing terrorism. I'm now doing that audiobook as a totally separate thing, because Rockwell roundup being a full thing on itself. So if you go to GoFundMe and look up

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With jokes. I do have a question. Would you ever let say the commander of the American Nazi Party speak on your podcast? Because I thought you loved free speech. And if you don't let Nazis have a platform, you don't love free speech. I'd have to do a pre-interview, I think. I would. Yeah, with my fists. I would probably do something like this maybe where I sort of talk about that person and delve into their ideology and sort of represent them accurately. But this already exists. But it seems like it already exists. You've done a bunch of that. Yeah. Well, some more news. Patreon, the YouTube podcast. Yeah, more on Twitter. Dr. Mr. Cody is my Twitter. Dr. Mr. Cody. Katie Stoll. Yeah. Katie Stoll. I write okay on Twitter where you can

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