Behind the Bastards - Part One: What's New with Alex Jones?

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

Robert sits down with the guys from Knowledge Fight to talk about what our old friend Alex Jones has been up to for the last few years.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dan and Jordan from the podcast Knowledge Fight. Dan, Jordan, years ago, many years ago, when my podcast was new and your podcast was like a year old. An episode 350. Jesus. We have 400 episodes of Behind the Bastards. It's wild how many you guys put out. It's unhealthy. So we did like, I did a three-parter on Alex Jones, which is how when I started dropping it, people were like, you need to listen to this podcast, Knowledge Fight, and I did. And so I had you on to do a fourth episode about Alex.

And then a couple of years went by and COVID happened and we have not returned to Alex Jones on my show, but a lot has happened with the man. And I figured rather than try and write another two-parter about what's happened to Alex Jones, I should have you do that because I'm a lazy man and also I think it's fair to say at this point, you know more about Alex Jones than any man alive and Jordan maybe knows the second most about Alex Jones. Jordan is blessed with a shorter memory. So he's forgotten a ton about Alex Jones. You could say that I've forgotten more about Alex Jones than any man alive.

That is hard to argue with. You've now officially been in a room with Alex Jones. That's very exciting. I would say that probably I know more about him than he does. So that doesn't feel good for people who are maybe confused if you are just jumping in. Dan and Jordan at host days used to be like three times a week. It's still occasionally is, but at least twice a week you'll put out episodes chronicling both Alex's present day adventures. And also you'll go back like 20 years and you'll talk about like what he was doing on dates in like 2002 and you'll go through like

whole whole spills there. You because of your unparalleled knowledge of Alex wound up in contact with the lawyers, some of the lawyers who are representing the people who are suing him for a myriad of terrible things that he has done. I've been in contact with the folks for the Texas Sandy Hook lawsuits, the Mark Bankston and Bill Ogden. And part of that has been you were in the room while Alex was deposed in order to like potentially lend, you know, whatever advice and stuff. Did that, did being in the same physical space as him, did that influence at all kind of your thinking on him or how, because you know, it's got to be to be this deep into somebody's life and then finally be in a room with them. Did that have any kind of impact, I guess, other than just like novelty?

Let me let me say that it was not as much as you might expect. I definitely had it built up in my head of like the moment he walks in the room. I'm going to panic attack like I think I said it like even years ago on the podcast is like if I ever see him in public or see him anywhere. I'm just going to throw up on so I'm just going to be so overwhelmed and it wasn't really. It was just sort of like I liken it to like when I got my first tattoo, like I thought it was going to be like this is life changing. And then as soon as I got it, I was like, isn't that big of a deal? Yeah, and I feel like that was kind of how it was sitting there. But at the same time, it's like he's now a real person in as much as I have seen him.

Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a little bit like the inverse of that never meet your heroes idiom. You know, where it's like, oh, every time you meet your heroes, it's going to be disappointing because they're not the larger than life figure. It's like never meet your your foils. Never meet your enemies because they're they're just it's just an asshole in a room at the end of the day. You know, I think that I think that most of the things I could take away from being there actually are just the same things you'd get from watching the deposition, which is just like he doesn't know shit. He's making stuff up.

He's angry. His body language is different. Congratulations. Yeah. So it wasn't as enlightening as maybe I'd hope and it wasn't as overwhelming. It's interesting. I think a big part of that is that he didn't recognize you true. That's the least part of that. If he did, he is the best actor. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. So so Alex Jones just sees some bearded dude in there and is like this is a new guy not thinking like this guy has devoted his fucking last ten five years of his life to me. That would be weird. Like if somebody did that to me for my shows, I wouldn't know how to handle like talking with them, whether they were positive or negative. I think I would be equally frightened. Like I think someone doing that out of love is just as unsettling as than doing that. Yes. Yeah. I think I'd probably rather talk to somebody who hated me. Yeah. Yeah.

At least I get like that right. Yeah. But no, you're like the voice in my head. The person who hates me might have some valid criticism. Yeah. Yeah. So shall we wait? Where do you want to start here, Dan? Well, I kind of drive in the bus when when we discuss the idea of doing this. I kind of thought about it like we could talk for hours and hours if we wanted to get granular with stuff, but I figured that since the last time we spoke the three would feel like the majorist things that have happened have been covid. Yes. Obviously January 6th and Ukraine. And so I wanted to hit on those topics and sort of get into a little bit of how those were covered on Alex's show. Beautiful. I've got some clips. Dope. And then I imagine we'll chat about what's been going on in his legal world. Yes. Yeah. Although you guys, I also would push people towards the episodes you've done. Oh, somebody's having fun with a car where you are. That's true. I will also push people towards the episodes you guys have done with the lawyers who are going after Jones and just kind of chronicling the court cases because there's a lot of depth there. But yeah, let's start with what you want to do first. All right. Well, I figured we would dive into the the beginnings of covid 19 right back. You know, when we're talking about it as the corona virus, the novel corona virus.

I miss those days. It was a little time when you when you make a friend and the first time you meet them, they give you like the name they use at work. But then you find out they've got like some sort of nickname that everyone calls them that's close to them and you like divide your friendship up with them with like, oh, this is when you were Aaron. But now I know your your your ball hair Billy or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed that. Thank you. Dan was the same way when he found out I was DB Cooper. That was my yeah. I still haven't gotten over how your ball hair. A lot of people don't know that, including the FBI's who was the primary audience of our podcasts. Oh yeah. Well, you're in trouble. Yeah. That sounds about right. All right. So yeah, let's let's start. So when covid was just only in China, you remember these these these early days. One of the things that I think is really, really fascinating to look back on because of how the world is now early on Alex had a very doom and gloom type of take about covid. He he'd have Mike Adams come on the show regularly and say that it was over for human civilization. There will only be lone survivors. They're going to be scouring the land. Yeah fall out. Yes. Try to find scraps. The cannibalism was going to happen in weeks. I'm never because I remember fondly that period of like y'all covering Mike Adams and covering Alex. It's always fascinated me as things have continued to get so much uglier in the world. How optimistic that is to think there's a level of stupidity where the world would just fall apart as opposed to like we have this we're like Mr. Burns with all of those diseases that are in perfect balance.

Our stupid as a species in our smart isn't such balance that like even as everything careens towards a nightmare, we'll keep the we'll keep the fucking we'll keep the we'll keep it going. It's like a it's like a 1980s Toyota Corolla that civilization like it's not comfortable or good and it's always failing, but it keeps moving somehow. So your take on it is everyone becomes a cannibal within 15 days is a optimistic because that means it's possible for us to fuck this up enough that it ends and I don't know that it is. Did 28 days later and like on an optimistic note. Didn't it did it? I only watch the first movie which did not it did it. They were in the they were in the mountains and then they put up one of those giant Swiss family Robinson signs and then there was a plane that flew over and they were like we're going to be saying then they learned that zombies could fly planes. I guess I was saying it's negative because it it posits a world in which there are still there are still the British, which you are a deeply unsettling future. Yeah, anyway, so you agree. Alex would agree with you in 2003. He believes that the British are the biggest problem in the world. So also like early on in the pandemic you would have Francis Boyle on all the time to make up stuff about the virus being a man made by a weapon and these were kind of the the main thrusts of a lot of his narratives and that was really sorry.

No, I mean that's just really gotten adopted by a lot of the broader right wing. That's true. That is true, but it's it. It has kind of not really. It's been tweaked by Alex in the present where he's like back then it was very extreme stuff about the virus. The virus was a man made by a weapon and that was what was going to kill you whereas now it's like well. No, it's a mild thing, but the vaccines are going to to kill you. You know, it's it's it's shifted and I think a lot of that is also where the right wing lands. But yeah, the man made by a weapon stuff Alex was pretty pretty on the early tip. So the most of the stuff he was going on about at that point was really just in service of selling his survival food and his colloidal silver products that he was heavily implying and sometimes even saying could protect you from every virus like needed. He wasn't going. He wasn't going to say like this cures covid protective covid, but that's a little dangerous. He would say all viruses. Yeah, and that got him in trouble with the it's amazing. Oh, that did get him in trouble. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You got a cease and desist letter from the FTC. I believe I mean thank God they did something. Yeah. Hey, Leticia James about it. You got it baby and then Alex started calling her a demon. Oh wow. What are you going to do? Yeah, he had to stop selling his silver toothpaste and go to a charcoal toothpaste that his dad had made. That's a lateral move. I would suggest. Yeah, and he was okay.

Does the charcoal toothpaste do better at the covid or did they just get sued out of making the silver toothpaste? He has never mentioned charcoal being a cure for covid. Oh, that's good. He learned his lesson. So like he was really trying to amplify and exaggerate stuff. And so he would take all these opportunities early on to take stories and misrepresent them like about the death numbers. Like early February 2020, he was going on about this regarding China massively downplaying their death numbers. The coronavirus situation and all these top biological weapons experts and top scientists scanning the virus and saying it's man made. We've got to get ahead of this. And if you notice the virus numbers, maybe we can punch those back up for a moment while we're waiting for the president. The official World Health Organization says 28,000 confirmed while I walked in here a few minutes ago was 24,000. The internal Chinese numbers that leaked and were actually published in China by the People's Daily said 24,000 dead yesterday. So what we think they're doing is they're just putting the number of dead as the number of infected. Think about it. Think about that. Yeah, that would be something. It would be if he wasn't just sort of misrepresenting a meme that he had seen of some accidental misprint. But yes, he was really trying to accelerate and increase the fear surrounding the virus because that was what was best for business at the time.

It was only over in China. There weren't cases being reported here. And so Alex was able to go all over the place at the beginning of 2020 and he had to because there was no real way to tell how it was going to land. And so he needed to he needed to get started building a lot of things like a lot of irons in the fire. He was big on the Wuhan lab leak theory early, but he was actually more convinced that the virus was made in a Canadian national microbiology lab in Winnipeg. Then it was sent to Wuhan where it was released. Yeah, I feel like there's probably a similar situation with like bio weapons and movies where if you make one into Canada, you get a bunch of tax breaks. So sure yeah that that completely scans to me. I imagine you would make your bio weapons in the same place as you make X files for similar reasons and now that we know about Trudeau being a tyrant of course. Yeah, absolutely. His I mean obviously his main goal with the covert bio weapon that he created was to once again burn down the White House restoring Canada to its former glory. This is classic Trudeau classic Trudeau. They've always been the enemy. I think we can all agree that on that. That's that's why we hired Garrison. You know, you got to keep your enemies close. Obviously smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The other Mac book. Sorry. I was going to make an independent state joke. So the other thing too that Alex did that was really fun was that he he got into for a couple days the Umbrella Corporation Conspiracy Theory. The there was like the logo of the guys from fucking

Resident Evil. Resident Evil. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Their logo is similar. Yeah. Oh, there was somebody. Do you remember the person who tried to turn raccoon city into like okay so if you anagram these words and add Corona and add like two letters. It's Corona and also there you go. It's Resident Evil predictive programming. It was there all the time. Yeah. I shot a zombie in Resident Evil five one time and that was Fauci. Alex believes that like the the evil globalist cabal like sneak hints about the future in the media. Right. That's like a thing for him. They have to do that. Yeah. It's part of the it's part of the interdimensional contract. The demons have with the with this this universe lesser magic. You have to people have to give permission. It's extremely funny that like the demons would be like all right you can put together a plague that kills six million people but you've got a signpost at 25 years earlier in a video game for the PlayStation one. You've got to you've got to put it somehow a hint to it in the cool spot video game. The main problem is that fiddle contest went out of style so nobody had any way to fight back against them. Yeah. We will know that this is true when it turns out the actual cure for covid involved mixing a bunch of a bunch of herbs and solving a puzzle. You just couldn't get that puzzle solved. It could be that you need to put Ebola in a jar with some booze. That is what Mike Adams beliefs.

All right please continue. Yeah. Alex misrepresented pre print studies that would later be retracted in order to prove that the virus had like telltale signs of human creation but one of the theories he was pushing hard early on that he is intentionally forgotten about sense was that the virus was a race specific bio weapon. This bio attack is race specific targeting specifically Chinese military age males and then almost all the people infected and almost all of those dying are males. Yeah. So early on because the virus was predominantly in China Alex was pitching this narrative that it was a race specific bio weapon. There are all kinds of theories about like what the point of it would have been and I want to remind people that Alex is always right always ninety nine percent of the time. That is what he says. You can find it on Twitter plenty of people. They'll point out that hey listen whatever you say about his politics his predictions are ninety nine shockingly accurate always accurate. It's like the Joe Rogan crew keeps saying that and it's like right. He was saying they were going to kill every military aged Chinese man with a plague. And it's interesting because like at this stage he's saying that it's like a NATO kind of conspiracy against China basically.

Well he kind of thinks it's the globalists. Yeah. Maybe they're doing it because China sends fentanyl to the United States. Maybe it's like payback or there was a period of time where he was thinking that maybe it was that China wanted to decrease their population so they did it to themselves. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was an interesting take. His attitude on China is always so mixed because it's both like they're the ultimate you know enemy because communism but also like they don't like gay people. And you know you have to respect you know that they do this thing or that thing like he's he weirdly goes back and forth on China. And he also appreciates that they don't like Muslims. But yes. He loves him. He will bring up how they're pressing the Uighurs. Yeah. And try and score points off it because he's a piece of shit. Yep. Yeah. At least like the weird tankies are consistent on that point as opposed to Alex just kind of wishy-washy back and forth depending on whether or not they're doing something shitty. Yeah. So I brought along another clip about the race specific bio weapon and it's just sort of like Alex explaining why that might happen in China. But it's serious and they're covering up what's really going on and it's just incredible to me that it's so obviously a bio weapon and that it's so obviously race specific on record for Chinese men.

I mean it's so specific. The Chinese genome is so close. Only other group maybe is closely related for a large population is Koreans. What. And so. Yeah. What. Yeah. Made for a race. Yeah. You don't want to use one a race specific bio weapon that say kills a mongrel which we think it was a bad term. What. Yeah. Technically being able to fend off against things by those that pure breeds easier. And so look at British royalty and people they're very sickly. They're very mentally ill. I'm not knocking Chinese folks. They're real smart and got some great average but on average there's problems with being in bread. What. Yeah. Wow. This feels great. Listen. Here's why this feels great for me and I just need. I just need the world to hear this as much as possible. The number one we complain. We get about our show is me being too loud and and screeching and such but it's a reason. How do you not to that like that. No. No. If you're a giant racist it is to your advantage to think a land mass and country as large as China with the history it has is only Han Chinese people. Yeah. Well there's no other. Yeah. And like a single family of as opposed to like no there's like it's an incredibly diverse all kinds of different like ethnic groups in China.

They don't understand languages and shit. No. No. No. You don't understand. She won the murder to everybody. That wasn't him and now that's China. I wonder how much of this is like people miss hearing kind of this the statistic about like all how many folks are descended from Genghis Khan and being like oh they're all related. No. That's not. No. That's not the case. No. Stop it. I think that could be part of it. I think it's also a generous explanation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that is that is me being like he's not just being racist because he thinks everyone looks the same from a map like like a fifth of the planet surface. Yes. Yeah. Correct. That's the that's the take I have. Well that's what Alex is operating off of. Honestly guys that is we've we've covered a lot of like professional racists like Alex is professionally like Alex is racist and does other things professionally. We've covered a lot of guys who are like professionally racist and this is one of the most racist things we've ever heard on the show. That was quite something. It is so surreal to hear that because at this point I mean that that to me is like a relatively milder version of where it can go.

Yeah. Yeah. He gets worse. Yeah. I feel like George Lincoln Rockwell would have been like well this is just factually wrong. Ford would have been like this is factually wrong. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. So he has abandoned this narrative now obviously for obvious reasons. I mean I assume because Americans have such a high death toll. It would be very hard to. Yeah. I think I think once the virus spread to a lot more countries than China this kind of narrative became really silly and it became really transparent that it was based in sort of a racist idea. Oh yeah. And he moved on but early on there were a number of things that I think were really funny that I have to bring to the attention of a wider audience and one of them is that early on Alex had read a headline. He'd misread a headline about Fauci and he thought that Fauci was on his team and like he was Trump's science guy and he was going to be helping expose the COVID conspiracies. And so here's what Alex said on February 8th about Fauci. Now let's look at the facts. The president through his medical spokesperson who's very respected. I made a lot of calls about Fauci in the last few months

or knew who he was and they say he's very respected a quote legend. He's a legend. He's a legend. Wow. And that's so that's Steve Pacinac right. Went to Cornell at the same time as Dr. Fauci. There's a good chance. Yeah. There's a good chance that that's the the influence who's telling Alex is great for folks who don't know. Steve Pacinac is a former State Department guy who probably helped assassinate the former president of Italy Aldo Moro. Well he was the president. Yeah. Absolutely. 100% definitely helped kill the Italian president. It is. It is of all the things that he has made up which are Legion. Yeah. The one thing that is true is he did help kill the president of Italy. And now he is retired to be alive. Yeah. Exactly. It mostly he mostly seems to lie about things in order to push a variety of confusing agendas on on info wars and elsewhere. Yes. And he he was. He's behind so many of Alex's like really troubling conspiracies like he was deeply involved in the Sandy stuff. He he he ended up having a fight with Alex because he was insisting that the loss of Vegas shooting never happened. And then eventually

the 2020 election was where their relationship really took turn for the worse because he was insisting that he and his buddies had watermarked every night. Alex North Korea. No. And so that was too much. And so Steve is kind of kind of gone for now. But yeah Alex thought that Fauci was a legend and he was going to be like on the Patriot side and now they want to hang him in the streets. Beautiful. It's always nice to you. That's one of the big values of your show is just pointing out consistently like there's nothing consistent about the things the factual claims that Alex likes. Like he's comprehensively a liar and a fabulous. And it's all documented using nothing but his own show. Yeah. Yeah. The most important thing is expedience. Nothing else. Just what's useful and quick. Exactly. So this this next is actually of the pre mentioned Steve Pachanik because I think that when people write the history of covid this is going to be a really important thing for people to to remember. We have a Corona a Corona virus coming in. Most part we will be safe. I can guarantee you tears because I treated a patient a month ago was

really the first case of the Corona virus before it was ever reported of a gentleman who met with a Chinese individual and got the pneumonia and was treated with high doses of antibiotics. And I am to know this individual very well because that individual happens to be me. Saying to the public health service and the attorney get together. Yep. So Steve Pachanik was patient zero in the United States. With antibiotics. Yes. Wow. Well that's that. I mean this is critical. We have a lot of covid historians on the cast. So I'm glad we've gotten this out. This is canon. It's really nice to know that we don't have to worry about the Corona virus that it's going to be OK. It's not going to be a big problem. I am super glad from that clip. Let me travel back in time and tell myself that I won't be spending two years barely leaving my house because of earth shattering plague. It'll all be cool. That's good to know. It is one of my favorite things to imagine Steve Pachanik during any pandemic throughout history. Just explain it. Listen Alex tuberculosis shouldn't be called consumption.

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So Steve got in the news recently. Right. There was some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about this a second because this was kind of a big story. So Clarence Thomas's wife, Jenny Thomas, during the overthrow of the United States government when she was doing a little bit of light trees

and involved. Yeah. Yeah. She was. She was texting a Supreme Court justice of the United States. Steve Pachanik thoughts without question and it was yeah and it was about the water mark. It was absolutely about the water mark ballots being a perhaps legitimate way to to just invalidate the entire election. They had it all on blockchain.

Absolutely. And then shortly after that, it seems that Clarence Thomas was the only person who was like overthrowing the government is fine. Right. Wow. Everybody's cool with that. Um, does this does this suggest because, you know, Steve P has been in the mix long enough that I could just see her having known him from from his State Department days because I highly doubt it. Do you say she caught him on fucking from the from the Alex Jones show?

I think his name rings out in conspiracy communities. Like I think that he because of his importance on Alex's show and the way that Alex basically fraudulently allowed him to make up whatever credentials he wanted. Yeah. He became pretty big within a subsection of the conspiracy world. See, he has his own kind of a sphere of influence that she probably found him through. Okay. A lot of Q people are kind of don't gravitate. Yeah.

Also Steve Pachanik, despite the fact that Tom Clancy wrote the first Jack Ryan novel several years before their partnership again insists that Jack Ryan is based entirely upon his life. That sounds right. Yeah. He did. That's also a weird thing about Steve is he had a partnership with Tom Clancy for a period of time for the net force. Yeah. The net force novels. Not necessarily a young adult franchise.

They also were ghost written by somebody else. Tom Clancy has written a novel for 40 years. Let's just be real about that. The net force stories were nearly as accurate as Shatner's tech war novels, which is quite accurate. Yeah. I mean, what's really funny about tech war, if I'm remembering correctly, they're basically like future detective stories, but the primary, the center of every book is that this guy is incredibly divorced and keeps having custody. That's right. That's really funny.

What's great about that is that is almost borderline similar to Isaac Asimov's The Caves of Steel novels. You love to see it. Just I, nothing like a divorced dude right in the book. Let's get Elon Musk to write a sci-fi novel. That would be a hoot. Let's not. Okay, so let's move on. Sure.

So as we were leaving off, we're getting sort of to the point where cases are starting to rise in the United States and at that point things had to change because the narratives that Alex were building at that point. They weren't possible to sustain in an environment of sustained spread in multiple countries. People who aren't Chinese would be catching the virus and there goes the race specific narrative. For instance, plus Alex doesn't want actual panic. He wants people to be on the edge of panic, but still somewhat able to keep living a normal life so they can afford to buy his products. Making the audience directly and irrationally afraid of the virus would make them more likely to take public health guidance seriously. It wouldn't be good for Alex's markets. The main emphasis was always to use the virus to push fear about something else.

The virus was meant for the globalists to push forced vaccinations. People wearing masks was to train people for the coming martial law. Social distancing was to force people to vote remotely, which would allow Democrats to steal the 2020 election. These were the kind of ways that the tentacles grew out from the base of where the narratives began. Yeah, what I would even argue is because we did go back and look at when the Ebola outbreak happened in the United States. And Alex was treating the initial days exactly the same way he did with the Ebola outbreak. The only difference being, of course, that it was handled appropriately instead of the response to the virus being overtaken by Jared Kushner and millions of people being sentenced to death. So it's a little bit different. And a certain amount of luck.

Yeah, and a certain amount of luck, yes. So there was a point. Sorry. I couldn't tell if we had frozen. No, no, no, no. I was just I was just in agreement, but did not have anything to add at that. Yeah, so there was actually even a point we met. We brought up Mike Adams, the health ranger earlier. There was actually a point where he was trying to pitch the idea that terrorists had infected the United States because they would get more virgins after they die. If they infected a city and here is him being a complete asshole. I don't know how many virgins these Islamic terrorists get for blowing themselves up. But there's probably bonus virgins out there if they infect all of New York City or something with this virus.

I don't know how their virginomics system works. Oh, my God. You know, they're insane and they think they're going. So yeah, he's a pile of shit. I hate to admit this, but I feel like this is a safe place. I kind of think the term virginomics is hilarious and I may steal that. I may take that one the next time I have to write about in cells. If you if you start talking about virginomics, that's a brick.

Mm-hmm. That's what I will say. That's fair. That's fair. There's there's Reaganomics. There's Freakinomics and there's Virginomics. Everybody knows those are the three pillars of American society and Reagan was a freaky virgin. He for sure was that is that is the face of a man who never fucked.

Nancy told him it wasn't real, so everything was really sloppy. And if you were listening and paying attention to Alex's show back during these periods, it'd be really hard to nail down what his position even was. And even if you did, it would have changed a bunch since then. Like it was constantly in flux and wasn't really ever. It's just, you know, it's become whatever the right wing thing du jour. What is Ivermectin is really huge hydroxychloroquine. Oh, yeah.

Every single thing that you see just getting traction in the right wing media world is going to be something Alex is going to flirt with for a while. And then if he likes it and it works, then he'll incorporate it. Yeah. It's it's almost like the idea of Alex being that, you know, his self-professed tip of the spear or having any sort of leadership over the conspiracy theory community community was completely abdicated. I mean, and he's he's only been following since then.

Well, yeah. When he tries to lead, it ends up with like that raccoon city. Yeah, that'll happen. Yeah. Or that time where he was briefly leading the assault on the Capitol before bailing. Sure. We'll get to that here in a minute. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think if you look at the early days, it's it's it's very interesting to see the ways that he he floated these narratives and he had these things in place and then circumstances forced him to change. But there is one thing that I will always be thankful for. And it is this clip of Alex really just getting some deep insight from a caller about ways that you can keep yourself safe from COVID.

Like my brother told me, I don't know where he got this from with thought of it. They said, just remember, don't pop any bubble wrap because all that air comes from China. Oh my God. Another good point. You know what? Another good point. Another good point. That's you know, what's nice about that is it's I'm not sure exactly how that's racist,

but it is. But it's also like it's the kind that's it's so dumb that you it you can laugh at it as close to like a lot of as particularly with all of I mean, I guess it does feed into a lot of the horrible anti-Asian hate crimes and stuff. But I don't know. I just can't I just can't take seriously a guy who's so paranoid about China that he thinks the bubble wrap is full of deadly Chinese air like brother told him about it. That is the kind of and there have to have been he doesn't say this, but that conversation

didn't happen without the aid of 20 to 50 keystones, right? That was like enough. The bulk of a truck bed in Keystone light is like. Do you mean just enough to give you a buzz? Yeah. Just enough just to get you on the back of the ATV where you and two generations of your family die. God bless America.

I kind of felt like he might have been an ice guy. Nice likes to take it up a notch. Yeah. Classier. So one of the things that I thought about when we were talking about doing this episode and checking back in was I didn't want to track too much of like where things went after the kind of a little bit of the immediacy because then we'd just be. We kind of be here all day.

Yeah. And so you know that's kind of a picture of a bit of Alex's coverage of the grown of virus. Yeah. And in a lot of ways where it went is where everybody else went. True. You know you already know where it went. You've probably heard a lot of things.

You probably haven't heard about the race specific by a weapon. There's that and that nonsense. Yeah. God awesome. So let's jump to January 6 then if we you mentioned Alex briefly leading the charge. Yeah. I mean leading is maybe a little bit strong of a word, but it's certainly like at the head of a crowd and then realizing that he was at the head of a crowd that was about

to commit crimes and panicking with that be accurate. I think I think when you have like a bunch of people who really want to overturn an election and you're chanting 1776. Yeah. It does as I often am. Ladies and gentlemen, I've just realized that I am going to be liable for whatever happens immediately after this. So we need to leave this space entirely.

This is a classic. I will be in trouble and you guys will be fine and that is a problem. So what I wanted to start with is I wanted to look at the lead up to January 6th and show some of these things that were happening. Like Alex was deeply involved in the various groups that would end up being at the capital and some of them were potentially engaged in seditious conspiracies to stop the election from being certified. In November 2020, Alex sent Owen shroyer on a barn storming tour up the East Coast,

stopping at a string of poorly attended stop the steel rallies, ultimately culminating the original rally in DC, the one that was prior to the January 6th rally. At that point, it was abundantly clear that Alex's position was that the election had definitively been stolen by Biden. And so stealing it back was an appropriate act. They stole this bigger than Dallas in front of everybody. But hey, if you catch somebody in your house with the safe or in your house with the computers or in your house with a silverware and then the family heirlooms,

you have a right to take it back. Damn right. You do. And so they are panicking. They're saying have a coup against Trump all over the news. They're saying he's insane. He's crazy because he's not going to let them have this fifth attempted coup against us separately.

You've got my commitment to burn the candle at both ends here. Ladies and gentlemen, and we're fighting hard here. We need your financial support in four store.com bringing a caravan up here and flying here with the crew and all we love you. We appreciate you in four store.com. That's how an ad pivot is done, Robert. God damn. I mean, what is it?

What is his products and services? Listen, listen, you got to overthrow the country and you got to buy my shit. That's how simple it is. I got to give the man credit. There's not. There's there's things he's good at as a broadcaster and that was that was a masterful ad pivot. He's good at saying briefly.

Yeah. Shifting entirely over to sales. But you see there you say powers for good. He could have moved a lot of dick pills. That's true. He did. Yeah. That's true.

The Rob do's wife has given us the oh yeah. We have a tough report. Tough report from our news wife. So you have the mentality there that the election is stolen and that it's ethical to steal it back. Yep, which I mean, you know this is November. So these ideas are kind of percolating a little bit. That's that's I mean not.

I mean that you hear that basic logic all over the right today where they the reason they accuse the the left of having stolen the election is that it's covered to steal the next one. You know. Yeah. Yeah. And so at that time though, when Alex was going to the rally in DC, I think that he expected it to go worse than it did.

I kind of suspected that he thought that original stop the steel rally might have turned out like the January 6th rally did and it ended up being kind of mild, although a couple people did get stabbed. So I mean it was it was ugly in the streets, but it was not like a threat to the continuance of the Demetra Craddick traditions of the country. I guess it was like a giant ugly street fight in the sheets. Yeah. So but I think that Alex was thinking it was going to be much

huger and so in the lead up he was doing a lot of like real doom talk like this. I've thought about doing this broadcast for 26 plus years. You always think about what could be your last broadcast. I'm not saying this is my last broadcast, but I need to just let you know. I need to explain something to you that I don't exaggerate any of this. Okay. Most of the time it's worse than I'm telling you. And this could be our last broadcast next week could be, but the zone we're

in right now, the internet kill switch they've got, they can hit telecommunications as well. And we're in the prime zone for them to assassinate Trump. Set a new cough. Anything. Anything. Anything. So a lot of that, that fear talk is, you know, surrounding that, that original

DC stop the steel rally that didn't didn't culminate the way he was prepping. Yeah. It's, I mean, he definitely, how many times would you say he has said, this may be my last show? So many. Oh, is it more than you have fingers and toes? Yes. How many days are there in 20 years?

Well, it's not all of them. Well, let's see if I'm remembering, if I'm remembering my education, which was entirely one song from the movie or from the play rent. Let's see how many minutes, 525,000, 600 minutes. Now, how do you turn that into days? I don't know. Whatever. Six.

How do you measure Alex's bullshit? Yeah. How do you solve a problem like Alex? We got a hook. We got a hook. DJ Dan Arke, who does your theme song up with my buddy prop and put together a cover of five hundred twenty five thousand six hundred bullshit. I can't count that high.

So, you know, there's a lot of excitement that got built off the original stop the steel DC rally and there were these other rallies that were going on at the capitals around the country, but there was no real progress being made on overturning the election. So it was necessary to do it again in DC, but bigger and thus plans for January 6th started to form more solidly. Alex's involvement in the events of that day are kind of less interesting to me than the way he engaged with the lead up to the rally and the way that

everything was covered by his employees and himself. In the lead up to the rally, Ali Alexander was a constant fixture on the show, promoting the stop the steel rallies and tying election denial with extremist Christianity. Stuart Rhodes was a regular guest discussing how Trump needed to declare an emergency so he could bring in martial law and deputize the oath keepers as his personal militia. More shockingly, perhaps was that Matt Bracken who's a weirdo.

He was discussing the actual January 6th rally when he was hosting the fourth hour of Alex's show on January 31st twenty twenty and he said this. That we're not going to be saved by anybody above us. We're going to only be saved by millions of Americans moving to Washington occupying the entire area. If necessary, storming right into the Capitol. We know the rules of engagement. If you have enough people, you can push down any kind of offense or a wall.

But if not enough patriots show up, then we're just going to watch our freedom go down the drain. Yeah, so that is one of those things that sounds really bad in hindsight when those things actually do happen. Yeah, I mean, he's also because what he's physically describing, it has shades of Jan 6. It also sounds a lot like what happened in Canada earlier this year. You know, like especially because what they didn't do on, they didn't

actually shut down the city on J6. That is what happened with like the caravan where they're like, we're just going to flood this area and make it impossible for like life to exist normally in this major city. Well, that was part of the conversation that was happening around January 6th in these communities. Like that same day on December 31st, Alex was taking calls and somebody called in was like, hey, can we get all the people who have boats to block up the Potomac?

Can we seize the Potomac so we can aid in our occupation of DC? Yeah. And one of the things about that blockade is like, I think it could be argued that if they had coherent achievable goals, they may have gotten them. Yeah. Like it's there. It was clearly an effective circumstance and if they could have

negotiated their way into something, they could have gotten something. But the fact that none of them had any idea what exactly it was that they were doing in the first place kind of really hampered that kind of idea of negotiations. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it makes sense because like you like it's easy to get a bunch of motherfuckers who are angry and want to feel like revolutionaries and are willing to like park their fucking trucks downtown, especially

if there's like clout in it and potentially raising money and shit. It's harder to get that same group of motherfuckers to all agree on what should be done because a significant portion of the people who are going to come and camp out in a capital for weeks to disrupt business aren't just going to want like an into mask mandates. They're going to want to be allowed to mail each other raw milk. Like I also want to be allowed to marry my 16 year old. Wait, what?

Is nobody my friend here? As someone raised in an evangelical Christian cold, you know damn well. It's legal to marry 16 year olds in this country. Okay. Fine. I don't know about Canada's rules. All right. So so in the days leading up to the sixth, Alex had guests on his show

like his alleged constitutional lawyer friend Robert Barnes, who was directly suggesting that Trump should just pretend to also be president, even though he had lost the election, no matter what, because he's the rightful leader of the country. So why not fake it? We'll talk about what Trump's role should be if they effectively steal it. He's got to never concede and just be the president in abstentia in

exile and just keep building the movement against him. Do you agree with that? Oh, no doubt about it. And it needs to be at the there's been too much focus at the top. Hugh always focuses on the top. We need to focus. This needs to be a bottom-up revolution if it's going to work. Yeah.

So they just have a second president, right? All right. That's fun. It's like the dark Pope because they haven't. I mean, for one thing, having a first president works out so good. You got to have a kind of double them up, have them fight. Yeah. That actually sounds kind of funny.

The problem the problem that Lincoln had is he wasn't really willing to co-govern with Jefferson Davis. That was the main issue. And that's why they had to start the whole war. We all know that the last season of Game of Thrones is disappointed. We don't want a repeat of that. Oh, okay. No, no, no Game of Thrones.

I mean, look, I happened to like it when everybody's unhappy, which is why I liked Game of Thrones in the first place is that it kept making my friends sad. So I was really happy with the ending because everybody was miserable. Fair enough. Okay. Yeah. So on January 5th Alex was in DC and he ended up giving a fiery speech at a rally there that might sound a little bit unfortunate in hindsight. Tomorrow is a great day.

We don't quietly take the election fraud. We don't quietly take the scam and believe their BS. We've seen the others. The system has had to desperately engage in this gambit to maintain control, but this will be their waterloo. This will be their destruction. He sounds like shit. What the fuck is he just like drinking so much?

I think he's I think he's wasted. He sounds like as yeah, he sounds like smashed. I think he was drunk and probably his cardio isn't what you'd want it to be. And so, you know, he can give a speech that's kind of rousing, but at the same time there's a there's a staccato nature that's necessary because of the breaths. You know what we don't talk about enough is the fact that he used to be jacked. I talk about it all the time.

I don't know if I could disagree with the human being more. Oh, he was. We don't talk about too much. Any of that like there's just there's some people that it's I'm never I never say, oh man, Goebbels used to be fucking hot. I mean, you don't even get it, dude. I've done a number of episodes about how hot Goebbels was, but that's a side of the point. No, there's a couple of people for like Alex Jones,

just like thinking back to him being a bodybuilder is weird. And then there's fucking Keith David who like, you know, I've seen in a bunch of things watching him in community and being like, that motherfucker beat the shit out of Rowdy Roddy Piper. Like I was, I was, he was yoke. He wasn't just muscly. He was like wrestling jacked. It's just weird that that's Keith David.

Yeah, he's incredible. He's just one of those people where every time I see him in something now and I think like that motherfucker was shredded. Yeah, I think that everybody gets really blown away when they, if they haven't seen those pictures of Alex as a muscly young man. Yeah. And to think it's just underneath there. He's somewhere in there, somewhere in all of that underneath that thick, thick neck.

Yeah. Except you can only get it to it with a knife. There's no amount of exercise that could get there. He has buried that Alex the same way. The same way Steve Pachinick buried Aldo Moro. So that night, January 5th, they had some speeches and also Owen Shroyer Alex's number two second in command is his riker. He filmed himself hanging out with some proud boy associates and they were

burning a Black Lives Matter flag on the streets of DC peacefully. This is why what's his name would wind up doing like six months in prison. Rick Atario, yeah, before the most recent time that he's went to prison back the last time before this time that he went to prison. It was for this. Yeah. He like stole someone's black lives matter better, which kind of applies. Oh, he bought his that it does, which is very funny.

So on the actual day of the rally, Alex and Owen Shroyer were in DC. So that just left Harrison Smith as the on air talent in quotes that was at info wars. So he hosted all day. If you watch his coverage, it's abundantly clear that he was pumped for the possibility of a siege of the capital and when it did happen, he was basically, you know, celebrating the the home team doing doing their biz here. He is like in the lead up to what what's going on at the March.

All right folks. So Donald Trump coming up next Alex Jones leading the March to the capital. It's all happening folks. It's January 6 2021 and the revolution. The second American Revolution has begun. So yeah, it's a second American Revolution. It's going on. Also, let's let's just remind everybody that cake did not have

anything to do with this. No, no. Particular. No. Kate was not involved in the overthrow of the United States government. Let's also let's also remember that while the January 6th riders were certainly going for speed, they were not in fact going the distance.

That is true. They were not all alone. No, they were not in their time of need. Although they're you with them. I can't. I can't. I cannot find anybody who would really who would really be like I am the biggest cake fan, but I also cannot find anybody who does not know the

lyrics to at least one cake song. I mean, I it would be the funniest thing we could have done with this episode is that from that point we just for the next hour and a half talk to each other in cake lyrics. Oh man. I am. I have got too much of a short skirt to be talking about cake. Yeah. So on air that day on the sixth Harrison Smith obviously was very

excited about the what was going on and he decided to commission a symphony and see. It's another cake song. Oh, right. Yes. Yes. I suggested this and then realized half of the cake songs I know are covering other people. Oh, you you were just going to be like I will survive

that. I'm going to be honest. Thirty percent of the songs I think are cake songs are actually they might be giants. Sure. Maybe a tonic song in the mix there to a couple of them. So but Harrison was very much celebrating and as the images started to come out of people rushing the capital here was his take on that, but

Americans are mad. And so when they stage elections live updates from Alex Jones, more on the other side, the capital has fallen. The Patriots are in control. The Patriots are in control. The capital has fallen. The capital has fallen. Yeah, there was a deeply celebratory mood on on Harrison Smith's

coverage of the of the show. What's funny about that clip is that in an alternate reality, that's what plays in like the thirty second opening before it fades to like a bunch of people in a bombed out city huddled around their rifles rating for waiting for the government forces to come. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is a real situation where Harrison is trying to argue that

sheep go to heaven and go to go to hell. That's right. Yeah. They they shot their shot, you know, like that coverage is exactly what you would expect someone to do if that whole taking over the capital had succeed. Yeah. No, no, no, totally.

Yeah, it sounds like a broadcast from an alternate. It's like we're like if if Orson Wells had written this, you'd be like perfect. This is amazing. It's like in man in the high castle totally one hundred percent. You're getting a glimpse through the veil. Yeah. Or if it's like shadow stabbing, which is apparently a cake song

that I haven't heard. Did you just look up? You know what? You know what Dan? That's literally what I typed into Google because as this bit continues, I'm realizing I don't know as many cake songs as I think I do. I think I might be to myself. I was really unprepared for this bit to continue going.

I mean, it's crazy to me that you guys, because from what I can see, both of you have very healthy breasts. Thank you. That's a cake bit on my Italian leather. So how many? Oh, that is. You know what? In my Google results, Italian leather.

Sof is one of the songs. Well, you know, Jordan, I'm not sick of you, which is apparently another cake song. I don't know that song. I appreciate that. That is. I don't know enough cake songs. Fashion Eagle.

It's not the album. Comfort. Comfort. Comfort. Fashion Nugget. Fashion Nugget is that sounds like that sounds like a cake song. Yeah. All right.

This bit must. Yeah. It really has to at this point. You know, you know what would be a good end to this bit, Robert? Actually, if we went to an ad break. Four cake. Yeah. Four cake.

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The globalists trick some Q people and some Antifa people dressed like Trump supporters to go into the Capitol so they could start rounding up the Patriots like Alex. As more information came out, Alex had to adjust the narrative a little, but as a whole, it's basically just the core of his story and everything else has been rationalizations from that point on. And his narratives have gotten quite boring. For the most part, nothing will live up to no the day of when the capital has fallen is that's that's a quote that really would go down and infamy had it happened. It's like because if it had happened, Harrison Smith would have been the first person to call it and you would have been the host on the pro. Yeah, absolutely. A separatist Fox News wasn't even like, hey, this is a great move, you know, like it's just Harrison Smith. Yeah.

No, I'm sure there were people at Fox News, but I'm sure those people were tackled by lawyers before. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Yeah, so it remains to be seen exactly how involved Alex was intentionally or accidentally with the people who are making active plans to do what they did on the six. So I think it's best to reserve judgment on that question, but the overwhelming level of connections between bad actors who are up to no good that day really seems suspicious. But I think it's equally likely that Alex knew what they were up to and that he had no idea. It seems plausible to me that he would act exactly the same way regardless of whether he knew he was mixed up in a seditious conspiracy or not. You would just that he's kind of in seditious conspiracy mode against the government at all times.

So right. He doesn't need to know. It's just it's just any time that a seditious conspiracy is happening. It is concurrent with Alex also saying that a seditious conspiracy should be happening. You know. Yeah. It could be coincidence. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's always coincidence. So now Alex has Nick Fuentes on his channel, although, you know, his band on video website. But I think it's actually not that important now because Nick Fuentes has his own site. But he still associates with Nick and Nick loves January 6th. He sounds like Harrison on January 6th now. Yeah. Yeah. To this day.

Absolutely. Nick Fuentes now a contributor to Russia today who had him on to talk about Russophobia. Really? Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. He's been on RT recently. I mean, doesn't that suggest that you're really desperate?

Doesn't that suggest that like you might not be honest? You're getting a 25 year old asshole or whatever. If you're getting a 25 year old Nazi, you're getting like you're getting like discount. You're getting like the Kirkland brand George Lincoln Rockwell to like come on and talk to you. Absolutely. So I'm pretty sure they've interviewed Mike Adams in the past. That has been on forever. Lionel has been on forever.

Lionel's Lionel's grandfathered in his royalty. I don't know. I don't know if they have much standards over there in terms of who the Max Kaiser had a show. That's fair. So yeah, I think that the the rest of Alex's playing out of his January 6 conspiracies has been again the same way it's sort of it tracks with a lot of the same stuff you see in the broader right wing media landscape. Although he does have to do a little bit more gymnastics because of his close associations

right with people like Stuart Rhodes, you know when he gets arrested for this conspiracy and in the you know the charging affidavit or the the indictment. There's so much information in there that Alex is like I don't really want to deal. I have to pretend this isn't here. I mean I can't imagine what it would be like to have somebody who you've had as a guest on your show so many times be arrested and indicted for seditious conspiracy. That would be a little bit difficult to work around. That would definitely cause some problems if that were to happen.

Like if one of you were to be arrested for seditious conspiracy, I would I would be really. I mean I would honestly knowing you probably be proud but that anyway. And it would be George. Yes absolutely. I really appreciate you leaving open the possibility that it could be one of us. I mean I yeah I do I do tend to assume you commit your crimes as a unit. We we solo yeah. That's kind of like yeah yeah.

I was going to make a comic book reference but I know about as much about comic books as I do about cake apparently. Jordan's going to have a save on this one. Oh boy it's a lot like in Sandman issue twenty two when no I got nothing. Maybe I'll do the collector series Reverend Sandman issue number twenty two is my favorite cake song. So we want to jump ahead to the Ukraine business. Yes so more recently this has been something that I think is I think we could all agree is a major world event. It's it's it's a pretty I mean yeah I would say like a giant land war in Europe breaking out is moderately important moderately important. So earlier this year on February 8th Alex was leading the show and really getting excited about how Putin was threatening nuclear war over Ukraine and he insists that it's because they're attacking Russia.

Ladies and gentlemen this is a maximum red alert. Vladimir Putin is officially threatened or a wide thermal nuclear war. If NATO continues their invasion red alert maximum alert tune in now spread the word in the wars the most banned network in the world. So yeah they NATO is attacking and Putin's going to nuke people. Yeah yeah and we're stoked about this. This is a man with honesty as his guiding principle nothing but the greatest of leadership. It's the most banned network because they're the most accurate absolutely. So yeah there's going to be a nuke and Alex is actually kind of thinking we deserve it. He was in one of those moods on the on the age so he's kind of gross. Most of us will just get knocked down and maybe the roof cave in on you but when you come outside you'll be breathing all that delicious radiation and of course the power won't be coming back on for years if you're lucky.

So that's where we are and we're an evil decadent satanic society and I guess it's time to die. Well OK yeah. Yeah so he does that a bit. He every now and again gets into how sinful we are and now we deserve to die. I mean look I don't do it for religious reasons but I will admit every now and then like when I'm I don't know briefly stuck in line at the grocery store all think we do deserve to just all nuclear hellfire. Any any any time you know when it happens is whenever I'm ringing up a product at one of the auto check out things and then it like fucks up and I have to wait for someone to come. That's when I'm like just take us now just drop the bombs and it all. I think having those quiet moments is fine but lashing out at your audience emotionally like that I think is is maybe a little bit tackier. Maybe a little gauche. I mean one thing I will say traffic. One of the great things about being bipolar is that you're so used to suicidal thoughts that whenever they come for such like you know like oh my god this guy in traffic.

I'm just going to kill myself right now. You're like yeah that's a good thought. I'm just going to let that go. I'm going to smooth through it. You don't go on say a radio network and millions of how about if I want to die. Everyone has to die project it to. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. So 10 days later on February 18th Alex had sort of evolved this narrative. And now his situation that he was reporting is that Putin is just trying to stop Western forces that are going door to door killing people in the Donbass region. Russia has tried to not escalate things and. Putin has tried to play things down so that hardliners don't engage in a coup against him. Of course. But he's gone ahead and just come out and said what we already knew. There's a massive Western offensive attacking Russian held areas of eastern Ukraine and they're engaged in genocide.

They're going house to house taking people out from their houses and killing them. And this is all being done again as a provocation. It's like in the last duel where they're slitting the women and children's throats across the river to make them come across to lose the bridge. And that's the historic thing that's actually in the record books that happened and they lost the battle. They lost the war. We have to let them attack these people and these people have chosen this route and I want to pray for them and support them. They're not going to slit the children's throats because that will be too much. But that's the kind of stuff they're engaged in. Also, I should point out Alex saw the last duel the night before. Yeah, that does sound like he just watched the last duel.

Yeah, it's important to remember that any geopolitical event is very similar to the last movie Alex watched in some way or form. He brought it up like three times on that episode. Well, you know, the last thing I watched is that show with Josh Brolin where there's a big hole. And this does have a lot in common with that because I also would like to throw Alex into a giant hole. Sure, sure. The last movie I saw was that Shia Labouf movie holds. Yeah, another movie with a similar message. Holes, good. That is what I took out of Holst.

A joke about seeing that band. Which bad hole what hole the bed. So on the 21st of February, Alex played Putin's entire speech that he gave, which is the speech where he was laying out the rationale for eventually attacking Ukraine. And Alex interpret this incredibly incorrectly thing. Putin was just saying that he didn't want any trouble and he just wanted to do business with Ukraine. He just wanted, look, if you want to join the West, that's fine. That's fine. Join the West. Just do business with us.

Come on. Wow. And you know, I don't see how you see any fault in Putin what he's saying. I mean, it's all historically true. Stalin's horrible. Lenin's horrible. We're sorry what we did to you. Blah, blah, blah. What do you want to mean? Blah, blah, blah. It's coming. You want to be under George Soros or you want to be your own country.

We don't want you. We want to do business with you. Just, just please, please don't go to war with us. I mean, and here's somebody actually tell the truth from that level is powerful because the truth is powerful and the truth lives in info wars. Wow. That one. That one aged real good. It's really going to take and then like three hours later, the opposite happens.

Like, yeah, he doesn't want to take over Ukraine. Oh, now he is actively invading the capital of Ukraine and the, the, the sort of irony of the end, like the truth lives at info wars over like a sick guitar. Yeah, yeah. That was pretty sick guitar. This is your life career retrospective would definitely try to avoid adding that clip in there. It would probably be seen as cruel. Yeah, not a good way to go.

So as you brought up Robert, it was almost immediate, like very quickly. So quickly. He gave that speech within hours. He was shelling. Well, no, that was actually the speech before. This is Alex is responding to the speech before. Yeah, that's the twenty first though. So it was like a day less than a day later. I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So on the twenty fourth Alex had been proven wrong. Obviously the Russia

had invaded and he had a number of really, really bad angles that he took on it first. Here's, here's Alex with a bad prediction. Putin's troops raise Russian flag in Ukraine as Z tanks, which have come from the East and O tanks that come from Belarus enter deeper into the nation. And there is no real resistance because just like the U.S. bought off the Iraqi leadership and go for one and go for two, 90 plus percent of their generals. You see that Putin has already done his work and has already paid off the Ukrainian military. And that's why the Russians know they can roll right in

and face almost no resistance. Because that's how real war is done. So another one aged well. Wow, Alex. Let's remind you real war is done by purchasing the generals in advance of any sort of invasion. I mean, that seems like that might have worked better for you for Russia than what happened, which is like half of the generals that they had in the East have now been killed in 55 days of fighting. Yeah. Yeah. But again, Alex is almost always right.

He is. He's incredible how accurately he predicted the fact that Ukraine would not put up a fight. There's prediction and that's also analysis. You know what I'm saying? Totally. Like it's not even just like looking into the future. It's like, this is the world, man. He was so right. This is how the world works. Yeah. And that's why thousands upon thousands of Russian mothers are getting letters that say your kid is fine. Everything's good with your son.

It's good. Good times. Alex had another really bad prediction. If you want to hear. Yes. You want to hear? Oh, I want to hear. Okay. But that's why you're not seeing any real Ukrainian resistance because it was all per show. And the comedian Hollywood president was a double agent the whole time. Oh, yeah. That's what all the smart money is on. That's what all the experts I know and I'm an expert myself. All of them. No. Oh, expert fight in a war.

He already won before he pulled the trigger. Cut to the capital. Yeah. Cut to the flagship of the Baltic of the Black Sea Fleet sinking with a piece of the true cross on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost comically wrong. Like it's it's embarrassing. It's it's impressive. There's yeah. There's a degree to which I'm kind of in awe of how incorrect it is. Most people can't be that wrong about the statements they make.

Right. Especially considering the irony being that if if one were to argue that I mean, I would I think I would argue that Zelensky's background as a media figure has done him more service and Ukraine more service than any sort of like a ace administrator possibly do in this exact circumstance. Well, yeah. I mean, I think it and ironically, so like one of the things that Russia is famous for is like the the I think it's called the awesome of doctrine, which is like kind of broadly speaking what they did in Georgia and then Ukraine in 2014 where like you have this hybrid mix

of military forces on the ground, but also propaganda and disinformation that's meant to like stir up confusion and justification. Controlling the media narrative. Yeah. Or at least disrupting it. There's been this big idea with Russia that like well a big part of our military effort anywhere is going to be the information war, they just like shut their pants on as soon as they started shelling Kiev. But because I think he does have such a background as a media figure,

Zelensky was not a particularly impressive president before the war started, but I think he has his media training has made him an effective war leader because this is the first war where that's the most tactical value that a president of a country can have in this situation. Absolutely. You definitely don't want. I mean, frankly, you don't really want any president dictating strategy or because that's not what presidents do. Yeah, exactly. He has had a battlefield impact. I think just because he's really

competent at media stuff because he's a absolutely he's a media guy. Yeah, you guys. You guys are both going to sound so foolish when it comes out that he's a double agent. Yes, that will that will tear us down. I feel we will in retrospect. This will be our Harrison Smith moment with Alex's proven right. If that happens, I will accept my crow and I will eat it publicly. Yeah, I have one more clip of a bad prediction from Alex if you'd like to hear it. Oh, I was absolutely. I mean, look at this Reuters article that's out right now.

Is that Bloomberg Putin calls on Ukrainian military to seize power to better negotiate with Russia because he knows it's a bunch of globalist factions in there and a bunch of former presidents jockeying for control. He's like, listen, I'll negotiate with the military, which is a very smart move. I would expect this to be over in 48 hours. What do you think? So that was on February 25th going to be over in 48 hours. What day is today? We're recording this on April 16. Oh, he's a little bit off. Yeah, slightly, slightly. Yeah, so since that point, Alex has done exactly

what he always does and that is that he's become more or less a stooge for whatever Putin says. He plays defense for Russia at just about every point and he goes out of his way to so doubt and soft sell narratives that, you know, things like atrocities that happened in Buka were fake. This is part of Alex's consistent playbook and it's exactly what he's done with all kinds of stories every time there's something like related to Syria. He's it's the exact same thing. Yeah, and he's had on like major war crimes, denialists in Syria, like partisan girl and stuff on his

head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's really tried hard to thread a needle that you would you would kind of associate with somebody who's not a Holocaust denier is like, oh, no, no, I know the Holocaust happened, but they're lying about how it happened. They're lying about all this stuff. So yes, you're a Holocaust denier, but you're trying to act like you're you're able to both be, you know, but no, they're all lying to you. He hangs out with quite a few Holocaust. Exactly. Exactly. And also, this is something that just came up. You guys brought up a fellow in one of

your most recent episodes in the past like 2003 that Alex was quoting a guy named Scott Ritter, who was a former UN weapons inspector. Yeah. Do you know anything else about Scott Ritter? Because you didn't say much else about him. I'm wondering because I may get to tell you some interesting facts about Mr. Ritter. I sure as fuck don't. I may not know all that much. So he was quoting him because about stuff Ritter was saying about like the the Bush administration's lies going into Iraq and whatnot about Iraq and the UMB's. It was specifically in context of a article about the

quote, the fake British secret society within the police. Oh, right, right, right. Well, Scott Ritter today is like a major war crimes denialist. He did a lot of like there were no chemical weapons attacks in Syria. He's a Buka denialist. He's regularly on Russia today and quoted by like the gray zone and he has also a convicted pedophile. He has been the subject of two police sting operations because he keeps trying to fuck 15 year old kids. Jesus. Two? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two fucking stews to catch you stews. Would have gotten this guy on one. He is a real piece of shit, Scott Ritter.

That just goes to show you that like, you know, even like when I don't overturn some rocks, there's even more. Our episodes could be longer. Yeah, yeah. You're the problem. So many people have said about our show is it's not dense enough. So I that's that's kind of where I left off with the the clips about Ukraine. It's beautiful. You know some of the stuff that that's happened since has also been the same kind of stuff that you see in the right wing media. You know you have the the bio labs conspiracy. Alex was jumping on board with

that and you know basically every thread that gets pulled by zero head. Yeah. Gateway pundit is going to be mirrored and echoed and exaggerated on Alex's show. Absolutely. He's become he's become. I mean we've we've talked about him as this part of the bullshit laundering machine where you know some obscure nut bag throws out some nonsense and then that's picked up by you know zero hedge or the like and they just water it down a little bit and then that's picked up by Alex. There was a time where Alex would be the crazy weirdo who's relatively obscure coming up with some bullshit or it

would be a guest on info wars or maybe or maybe it would just be something of his people found on a creepy message. Yeah totally totally and now it is it is literally him. I mean just board this lazily ambulance chasing headlines but I think but I think one of the things that makes the the immediacy and one of the reasons I focused on like when these things are happening is that it does kind of demand you figure this out figure out what you're going to say about this because you're fucking live on air right now you got to say that Zalinsky is a double agent. You got to do something and I

find that to be like your necessities. The mother of invention when you got to say something right it's that's that's that's really interesting to me. Yeah I mean if for Alex he can never live in this space of like we'll find out or just wait and see or this is this is developing. It is always I know exactly what's happening today. It's part of my current scheme that everything is happening around that I've had quote unquote for 20 years. Yeah everything's connected. Nothing can be a surprise. Exactly and then you know you just change the narrative when you need to because you always need to and then

pretend you didn't. Hey you've never changed the narrative once. Yep. Well this has been quite quite a tale. I don't know about all of you but I feel well I feel actually terrible. That was the hope. I'm significantly I mean I did broadly speaking know a lot of this because I watch listen to your show constantly. I do watch it but that's that's not something you put up online. I just I'm stalking you. I mean you can hack into anybody's webcam really but you also know about the theories about Chinese specific bio that I had not remembered. Good Lord. So yeah this has been a hoot. We're

going to come back later this week and we're going to talk about Alex's legal adventures. But first Dan and your Dan you want to plug your plugables. What do we plug? We do have an SB. All right. I mean I've heard of us on knowledge fight dot com. That's correct. Yeah we're also on you can find us on Twitter. Yeah it's at knowledge score fight and I go to bed Jordan. I'm setting up an Etsy store. He is not but I should I like making buttons. You might. That's all. Well this has been quite a time. Go with Christ via Kondios. Behind the Bastards is a production of Cool Zone Media. For more

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