Behind the Bastards - Part Two: A Live Investigation Into The Sigma Male Subculture

Episode Date: February 25, 2021

Robert is joined again by Jamie Loftus for an online investigation and continued discussion on the sigma male. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here to make a terrible mistake with me. What about starting three podcasts? I have started at least three podcasts just with atonal screeching. Robert, we're at like six. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Jamie Loftus, how are you doing today? Welcome to Behind the Bastards Podcast. Thanks. Bad people. Talk about them.

You're doing great. You know, after the last episode, I think I've reached a low simmering numbness, which I intend to spin in my favor. Numbness is really my only goal here. I don't want to make people better. I just want to make them numb. I'm also simmering, but that's just because my apartment is ungodly hot. Very hot. It's pretty, though. It's very pretty. You know what else is hot?

Plants live. I'm going to bring up the knife again. This is a new one. You're peacocking. Oh, yeah, look at that. We haven't hit a minute. Look at that. Curtis Holland, very nice knives.

Nope. Very nice knives. Jamie, I'm just going to gesture with this knife. I hope you break your computer. It would be worth it, because at least I'd be holding a knife, Jamie. Speaking of holding a knife, you know what's holding a knife to all of our collective throats? Capitalism? Misogyny and capitalism.

A lot of knives on our collective throats. Jamie, we talked about the manosphere, which was really just groundwork. I wanted to talk about the sigma male. Now, I mentioned that thread that Lily put up in the first episode. It kind of started me down this path, deciding we need to do a manosphere episode, because the sigma male stuff is also ridiculous. And in that post of theirs was a book called The Sigma Male. There's actually more than one that had a man in a suit with a sword on it.

Now, that's called The Sigma Male What Women Want. Wow, like the Mel Gibson movie? What? That's a movie? Yeah. What women want? Oh, no. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Well, women want the movie, but not the sigma male movie. Yes. No, no. Although I'm sure Mel Gibson would be down to participate in that as well. So that book was written by Dr. John T. Alexander, who builds himself as a relationship expert. And he authored the book The Sigma Male and also maintains the Tumblr, sigmamale.tumblr.com.

No. You want to guess what kind of doctor John Alexander the relationship expert is? Got to be psychiatry or something, right? Sociology? No, I'm going to say he's a podiatrist. He's a plastic surgeon. No. Okay, that's funny.

That's funny, but I wait until I find out more about his views. Then I won't be laughing, I bet. His book is not available on Kindle. It's only in text and it's sold out. I'm going to go to his Tumblr. We will be getting into a book, but his Tumblr gives us some ideas about the kind of... Wait, I'm there. Whoa, there's a pop-up.

Okay, there's a pop-up that says, the destructive effects of self-pity. Self-pity is easily the most destructive of the non-pharmaceutical narcotics. It is addictive, gives momentary pleasure and separates the victim from reality. Don't be a victim. Sigmamale.com. Amazing. Yeah. The list on there is, where are all the strong men?

He's critiquing at length a commercial for the Navy... Not reading that. He's not reading that. Tumblr. Oh, no. We're going right into this. He's critiquing at length a commercial for the Navy Federal Credit Union. Yes, I'm looking at that right now.

What is she smiling about? It's not a strong man. It's another one of these commercials. Every sitcom, it's a commercial where some male soldier has done something dumb and a female soldier is dealing with the problem. It's the basis of half of every sitcom episode and the entirety of Everybody Loves Raymond. We all know this trope.

It's gross as old as time. Yeah. Our plastic surgeon friend is very angry about this. I've written extensively about this modern trend in advertising. So what else can I say? We'll answer this question. What would happen if the same ad aired with the roles reversed? Imagine Campbell looking fit in his sharp military gear

talking about the failings of some inept, dumpy woman. Guests who'd get left in the garage after that commercial. Feminist outrage? You'd better believe it. I hate this. I hate this so much already. I'm already doing this like holding myself position. Among other things, it's like, yeah, it's kind of a tired trope.

You know what else is a tired trope? The male action movie hero who saves the woman in distress who has no agency other than to be a victim. That is still roughly 40% of Hollywood's gross end up. Yeah. And they're mostly source written by men. This tumbler kind of reminds me of, have you ever been on those male inspiration, like Instagram pages?

Yes. It's called like success dot tips. But they're all Joker memes being like, if my life was dead, I would have health insurance. Like just truly, that's a direct quote. No, I'm kidding. But like those success tip, I don't know. I feel like there is a little bit of this mentality

that has mutated over the years. And now they don't go strictly under misogynist names. Sometimes they're like, we don't want to kill women. We just want success. And you're like, it's the whole, you get the gamut from the men's liberation to the men's rights to the MGTOW to the insides rights. Stop doing this.

What? I feel like you're trying to hypnotize us. You're like waving your knife back and forth. I'm waving a knife. It's my symbol of masculinity. Stop it. Sophie. Yeah.

Well, fuck that shit and stop it. We're, stop it. Are you, that's not, I mean, or maybe that is Sigma behavior. Maybe it is Sigma behavior. I don't know. What would Keanu Reeves do in that one movie where he does nothing but shoot people? Oh.

I mean, I'm sure he used a knife at some point. He had to have stabbed at least a couple of them. I mean, I don't, I still haven't seen a John Wick. I haven't. And that's my truth. It's not Keanu's best, best moment. A John Wick. A John Wick.

I did not know there was more than one. The plural is John's Wick. John. So John, this, this shitty Dr. John Alexander's Sigma male blog is pretty, pretty dumb, but it's also like, it's not really hardcore mana sphere stuff. Like one of the, like it's, it's bad relationship advice. One of them is not always even all that bad.

Like one of the, one of them is, are you ignoring your spouse's small dragons where he talks about like men not taking the dragons or like the difficulties in your life and men don't take women's problems seriously. And like you should take your spouse's problems seriously, which is like, not, like, not bad advice. That's not super toxic.

It gets framed in a, in a dumb way, but it's not like, like, yeah, you shouldn't be shitty when somebody else is having a problem. He also invokes the name of Bill Cosby on the first page. He sure does. He sure does invoke Bill Cosby. And does not invoke the fact that Cosby is a serial rabist. No, no, no.

I mean, not, that would not be segment behavior to hold other men accountable for their crimes. But I do, it does kind of look a little like misogynist leaning men are from Mars, women are from Venus, like super, super binary thinking. Is it kind of along those lines? Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what it seems like.

And it's, it's pretty boring and honestly, not all that offensive, which was why it's not what we're going to read today, Jamie. I have picked, thankfully, I found another book about Sigma males. I know you were worried there for a second, for just a moment there, you were like, are we not going to get the hot Sigma action that I crave?

Don't worry, Jamie. This page just, I mean, yeah, this Tumblr doesn't want me dead. It just wants me yelled at. Yeah. I need more. Yeah, you need more. You need the Sigma male codex,

rules for the Sigma male by Daniel Jones. And Jamie, I'm going to ask you to Google just the words, the Sigma male codex so you can get that cover. Cause I need you to see the cover codex. I want to be on whatever list that comes up. Okay. The Sigma male code. Of course it's all caps too.

The Sigma male codex. Okay. Is this the, Are we talking about, Oh, there's a wolf. There's two versions. There's two. I see two versions.

Both are like Twilight set adjacent. They do kind of look like Twilight posters. And then those two versions, there's a sequel of course. He couldn't, you couldn't, you can't possibly say everything that needs to be said about the Sigma male and one codex. I mean, Jesus.

No, I mean, a single codex is never going to do. Wow. They really do have like team Jacob imagery on the front of the Sigma male codex. Just a couple of wolves. Wow. Which is also funny cause the Sigma male is supposed to be the loner, but you have two wolves on there anyway.

So many questions. Your wolves are thinking it. Oh, oh, Jamie, I just pulled right into, Oh, this isn't very long. We could get through this whole book. We might just read the whole damn thing. I just opened to the introduction and Jamie,

I'm just going to start reading. Okay. Okay, good. Yes, yes, yes. If you are reading this, then this, if you are reading this, then it means that you are very intelligent and in search of knowledge.

And if you are reading this and you are not in search of knowledge, you will have it by the time you are done. That's one sentence. Wow. Congratulations, King. You can read. Now get ready for your life to fucking change.

So I know what you are saying. And he uses quotations here wrong. He has the first quotation mark at the end of saying and then a space with the actual quote that's supposed to be in quotations. No proofreading went into this. And so I know what you are saying. What exactly is a sigma male? That was what I was saying.

That is what you were saying. Well, the sigma male by definition is a man who does not think or act like everyone else where the alpha male always wants to be seen. The sigma male keeps a low profile as not to draw attention to himself. Comma, also the sigma male is the most valued prize amongst women because unlike the alpha male, the sigma male makes no effort to chase women. Rather, he catches women with his intellect.

One sentence. So are you telling me that the sigma male is not like the other boys? I'm not like the other boys. I can't write a sentence. But I catch women with my intellect. Women are drawn to me by my inability to use periods or commons or semicolons. It's like the opposite of a venture hero.

God, I'm just shaking my fist at the sky. Oh no, the next sentence. I am a sigma male and it took me a long time to come to that realization. I knew that an alpha male, because I had no desire to chase every woman that I saw and I knew that I wasn't a beta male because they don't believe that they can get a woman. So I had to fall somewhere in between,

which brought me to the concept of the sigma male. It made perfect sense. I am educated and quiet and I am constantly analyzing everything around me. He sounds like every dude I went to college with that was like, I'm an ENFSJPQR. Sorry. There's nothing else that should convince you

that you too can get a book published on Amazon. It takes literally nothing. It takes nothing but sheer willpower and word count. I mean, this is just 23 pages. Are you serious? Oh yeah. The sigma male Codex is not a long book. Let's do this.

I'm so excited. Oh, it's great. It became very apparent to me that because I was a sigma male that my tolerance level for ignorance and foolishness was about as thin as pizza crust and then one day a light bulb went off in my head. Why not write about my experience as a sigma male? A code, if you will, and share it with others

who may be sigma males and even if they are not, it can still be a useful tool in identifying a sigma male, which brings me to the sigma male Codex, a list of codes and rules that govern the sigma male from the time he gets up to the time that he goes to bed. How many times is he going to say sigma male, Robert? Yeah, are you able to do a word search up top to tell us how many times it's in there?

It only took a second to buffer. Yeah. Because the book's very short. 265 matches. No! In 23 pages? Yeah. I'm very happy.

I don't want to live here anymore. I just picked up Anderson because I needed emotional support. Yeah. I just went into labor and I'm not even pregnant. Yeah, I think that by the time we're done reading this... I'm going to give birth during this. This is horrible. I might become a virgin again.

I don't know how this book is going to affect me. All my holes are going to seal. Spontaneous pregnancies for some re-virginization for others. It's quite powerful. I'm going to kegel so hard my holes close. This is so horrifying. Jesus. Okay.

When it's all laid out and done, I think you will find this to be a very interesting read. Indeed, never let anyone tell you that the sigma male is not a high-valued prize. Quite the opposite. He is more valuable than a pot of gold. And if this book is his Bible, then the codex shall be his gospel. Wait, what? The book and the codex are the same thing. Wait.

Okay. He's just not a good writer. It's so bad that you can't really comprehend what he's trying to attempt to... Yeah, I think we're going to have to look through this a bit, and then we're going to have to pull up that video where it talks about how Keanu Reeves is the sigma male to really get a full understanding of the sigma male. Yeah, I think that that will really put things into sharp focus.

Finally. Finally, we'll understand. But first, he's listing the codex numbers, which I don't think this guy knows what a codex is. Wait, is it really like a number? Codex number one, codex number two, codex number three, codex number four. Yes, Jamie. Wow, it's like national treasure.

He does not know what a codex is. That's exciting. Codex number one. He just means a numbered list. When he says codex, he means a numbered list. But each of the numbers is a codex because he doesn't know that a codex is just like another word for book, basically. I think that he has.

Like, I think he should bravely join me and not know what a codex is, loud and proud. The sigma male reads, which means he is obsessed with educating himself and gaining knowledge and wisdom. There's no period at the end of that sentence because this guy doesn't read enough. You know this man takes pride in his writing,

and that is the saddest thing. There's no periods at the end of any of these sentences. What is he, what is it, what is ending it? Nothing. It just stops and then it's the next codex number. Well, maybe if you were a little more sigma, maybe it's like a whistle only a dog can hear. It's a dog whistle.

It's a man period. It's a man period. Only real sigmas can see a period. I'm okay. Anderson's looking at me like, it's okay, mom. Anderson's got some strong sigma energy right now. I'm okay. It's just a bad book.

Oh, boy. Now I'm starting to feel bad for this guy. Not like a book like this could hurt anyone. Because codex number two is, I don't know that this could. We may have, we may have aired in the wrong direction here. This kid's seeming sadder and sadder to me the further we get. Because codex number two is the sigma male is very quiet. He is always analyzing and over analyzing everything.

I think this is an erotic young kid who ran into some weird MRA stuff online and is processing it in a very dumb way. This is so, yeah. Cause it's like, yeah, there's a lot of quiet kids of every gender. This doesn't justify the codex. Codex number three is like how he, the sigma male deals with women differently from the alpha male because the alpha believes he has to chase every woman.

But the sigma male understands that when you chase someone, it implies they are running from you. And at the end of the day, the goal is to get the individual to run to you, which is like on a pathway towards a less toxic kind of thinking. Even though it's not there. Yeah. Like this.

I like the parts where he's not chasing people. Yeah. I think that should be encouraged is not chasing people around. But getting angry at people for not running to you. I don't know. The sigma male is the most powerful man in the room because he is the quietest man in the room. No.

No, buddy. When the sigma males, I'm feeling bad for this kid now. We may have to pick a different thing to breathe. I'm going to let's roll to the end and see if we can find something out about him. Nope. What's that? Jesus, there are, there are so many codexes.

There's 147 of these. What? Yeah. That's what I was trying to tell you. This is a sad thing. There's many of them. This is very sad. Jesus.

Should we take a quick little addy break while we try to figure out Yeah. Let's take an ad break. There's anything not sad. Let's take an ad break and let's, let's, let's refocus here. I do, I have to look at, oh dear God. Okay. So I found this kid's author, Amazon author page.

Let's talk about that for just a second before we go to ads. Okay. There's the sigma male codex rules for the sigma male, the sigma male codex volume two, which I guess is just more numbered things that a sigma male ought to do. Then there's the comedic codex, which the description is best selling author, Daniel Jones. I don't think that's true with his controversial new book,

the comedic. Okay. Written as a survival guide from melanated people worldwide. This book explores the secret history of racism and its effects on black people. Among the topics explored in the book are the origins of the word racism, the origins of the Ku Klux Klan, the origins of modern day policing in the United States of America, the origins of

gang violence in black communities, the origins of the carons of the world, and the origins of Dracula. Yes, you read that correctly. Also, ooh, and there's a short story, Captain Racial Slur. I don't know what's going on with this kid. He spells, he spells Daniel wrong, first of all. Yeah, he sure does. I'm also seeing that there's a writer named Danelle Jones.

Danelle, yeah, D-A-N-N-E-L-L. No, just D-A-N-E-L-L, but she pops up when you look up Danelle Jones and it must suck to be her. Yeah, this is rough. We're going to come back from ads and we're going to regroup because I'm starting to have second thoughts about this kid's, mocking this kid's work because I think there might be some real pain going on here.

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Where are you going to go from here, buddy? Man, I am. What's your pivot? I don't think this kid's super toxic. I think he's dealing with some shit and probably shouldn't be throwing it out in books under his real name because it's embarrassing, but like kind of starting to feel sorry for him. Seems like a quiet kid who needs to be turned in the right direction.

And it seems like he ingested some toxic masculinity ideas from the manosphere, but it also doesn't seem like he's motivated by a hatred of women. Fair. What's he motivated by? Well, let's see here. Not using proper sentence structure? Yeah, he's not good at sentences. Look, but there's stuff in here like codex number 131.

The sigma male is suspicious of those who talk too much. Codex number 133. I'm very suspicious. The sigma male understands that the only thing that separates a man from a monster is compassion. Yeah, I don't think this kid's a monster and I don't want to make fun of him anymore. Interesting, fascinating little journey we had there. Can we find out that we're actually the monsters? I mean, he's a little bit.

It's a pretty dumb book. Look, you write a dumb book, some people are going to look at it, but we're also mature enough adults to know when it's time to roll over to YouTube and watch something that will be easier to make fun of. Let's choose the real battleground. Yes, the battleground of YouTube. How should we play this? Are you going to just you can put it in the chat.

We can all watch it and then Doug can add it in afterwards. Hi, Doug. Hi, Doug. So we should just press play at the same time. Yeah. Okay, I'm putting it in and it's up to up to 194,000 views already. Sick. So I think this is going to be a more, more fertile ground for us to us to dive into.

Okay. I see the language. I'm just getting through the ads. It's just an ad for WandaVision. I don't want to hear about Monday.com. Sorry. Nobody wants. No one has ever wanted to hear about Monday.com unless they sponsor our show.

Are we going to watch this entire thing because this is a lot? It's statement. We'll start and stop it. We'll see where it takes us. We got another book we might dive into. This is all a learning process. All right. Are we ready?

We're doing great. Yes. Let's start. How to become a sigma male, the rarest type of the male. The rarest type of the male. Hello, guys. Welcome back to Alpha Show. Oh, the Alpha Show.

Completely change your life from negative to positive and make you the person you always wanted to be. After this video, you will know where you fall in the spectrum of male personality types. I love these kinds of videos where they just have a disembodied hand, draw the most fucked up thing you've ever seen in your life. Yes. Sigma males are a rare breed of men and are arguably the most appealing to the ladies. They are quite different from the male-dominated alpha males.

I love the ladies. Yeah, this is where we should be. This is better. Okay, we have a wolf. We have a wolf. We have a wolf. Sigma men can dominate others. They can dominate.

We prefer not to. Okay. Oh, and they are a king. They're also not lobby for leadership positions. Oh, wait. They're not a king. Robert, I'm not enjoying this. I am.

I've never seen a video where the grass grows. I've never seen a video where the graphics really made it more confusing to understand. Oh, they're already doing an ad. It is based on three different 30-day challenges and more very useful things that will completely transform your life. This came out last November. Like a week after all three. Okay.

Okay, we have to pause because there's a lot going on on screen. So, where I've paused it. He's gone from saying that the Sigma male is the most desirable kind of male to women. I'd like to take this to the comments because the top comment on this video is from Cosmic Cluts. Shout out to Cosmic Cluts. It says, fun fact, one in every 10 Sigma males has the potential to go one step higher and become a Ligma male.

Robert, Robert, do we think it's a good thing? This came over when this dropped. Yeah, November 11th, 2020. That was like a week post-Election. I mean, we were probably, I don't remember if we were still, we might have still been counting votes then. So this incredible video, this amazing video goes from being like the Sigma male is the most desirable kind of male because unlike, you know, the Alpha, he's not obsessed with

being in charge. She can dominate, but he doesn't have to. And that's why women like him the most. And it then goes to offering its new course, which is 30 Days to Alpha. The Alpha show is going to teach you how to be an Alpha male in 30 days. And this course includes three challenges to transforming your life. I think we're about to learn, but there's a lot going on on the screen. Not only did they misspell the word transform, and they misspell the word confidence because

this part's of the course. Confidence Mastery, but C-O-N-F-I-D-E-N-T-S. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. This is, this is ridiculous.

How much? That's my question. I think we're about to learn. I'm going to unpause. I think he's going about to write Life Mastery. Yeah, you're going to get complete Life Mastery by this. Skyrocket your confidence by over five times. Master the power of nofap. Master the power of nofap. Check out the link in the description.

Yeah, that was just an embedded ad. That was, I mean, it was seamless. There is the beta, delta, amiga males that are considered less manly to the dominant alphas in the hierarchy of male personality types. But have you heard about the excitingly mysterious sigma males? Excitingly mysterious sigma males. The drawings that are happening make this more confusing. I'm about three minutes in and all of a sudden there's a tent.

Strong confidence and no nonsense approach to life are the head of the party. I like that they, we've got the pyramid imagery. I like that they're just drawing it. All right, we're going to pause in at 209 because he just, he's going through the hierarchy and he notes that excitingly everyone had just thought it was alpha, beta, delta, omega, but personality researchers have discovered the exciting sigma male. So this is a new, we found a new man. New man just dropped guys.

And this new man, the twist, he's got a personality and it's making these videos. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Okay, I'm going to press play at 209 and we'll see what this. How to become a sigma male. You're hard to get, being hard to get and hard to get. That's literally what it says on the page right now. What is happening? They seem to have always been around.

Okay, sigma males do not care what others think, which is why you're watching this video. And then it says frustrating ladies. Sophie, Sophie, you're too far ahead. We're going to take this one bit at a time. Yeah, I'm cheating because it was horrifying and I was trying to fast forward. It's very sigma of you to jump ahead, Sophie, but we got to take this methodically. You know, I'm at the part that says here are what you should know about sigma males. That's the headache.

These are the males who make their own rules. Well, here are what you should know. They don't have a problem going at them. Awesome. And then there's a tent picture, right? Not yet. I'm watching something about you, but I think I understand. Yeah, so he says that sigma males are traveling nomads who search for knowledge rather than material things.

Which is why we have the clip art of the tent in the car. Next to the clip art of a guy on a laptop at night. I would not be able to understand this if not for this helpful clip art. Oh my God. They can decide to go solo for a while, okay? They don't take orders from people and don't usually confirm to society. You can consider them as the rebel of the male groups, but they are very attractive to women because they appear to be self-sufficient and capable of making their own way in life.

Not relying on anyone or anything to meet their needs. They can decide to go solo for a while. What is intriguing about sigma males is that their need to be alone is just temporary. I'm at 319 now. Oh, I'm at 345. Wow, we're all... It is not that sigma males want to be alone as such. Okay, well, right now they're creating fascinating things, starting businesses, quiet partners, hard workers.

Okay, sigma! Okay, I'm at 4 minutes. No, create sigma males, create fascinating things, start businesses, are quiet partners and hard workers. I'm trying to make this be comprehensible for people because we need to understand... Honestly, the more this goes on, the more I'm starting to think that what the sigma male thing is is a grift specifically targeting nerdy and kind of antisocial young men who don't want to be an alpha male because they're not jocks into sports or anything like that.

But they want to believe that they can be trained in order to get women. And I think that everything that this keeps emphasizing like they're quiet and they spend a lot of time alone and they make things on the internet and all this stuff. I can see who they're marketing to. It's the guy who wrote that sigma male codex. It's like lonely and kind of confused young men who aren't nearly as toxic as the kind of guys who are obsessed with being alpha. They're not going to take steroids in order to gain the perfect alpha body or be like the incel types and obsess over bone structure.

It does just seem like a grift directed at shy young men who want to be accepted for who they are. I think that's exactly what's happening here. A very vulnerable population to be just grifting from. Can we all agree to start at four minutes now so that we can properly give context? All right. Four minutes. Exactly. Okay. I'm pressing play. All right. Sigma male. How to become a sigma male.

Your hard to get. Being hard to get. Get in hard to get. I love the close to the chest drawing. There's just a vector grabbing his heart. Do your own thing. Okay. Sigma males do their own thing when everyone's screaming and yelling.

It's not that they're trying to be difficult. This is three. You could be the alpha. So you're not the alpha, but you could be the alpha. They have all the qualities of the alpha male, but they choose to display none of it. If you've had several chances and the ability to take it to leadership roles, like the other girls. Oh my God. Okay.

I'm pausing it at 450. The line that just broke. Yeah. It's very clear what's going on here with the line that like, if you've had chances to take leadership roles, but choose not to, you're definitely a sigma male. It's like, if you are, if you feel like your lack of confidence is holding you back from getting women or succeeding in your career,

that's what makes you a sigma male because you're choosing not to. It's very clear who they're marketing to, right? Like it's an attempt to package some of the mannosphere classification of men stuff for a group of men who are like not, they're not toxic enough that they're going to like, want to jump into the men going their own way communities. And they're not incels. And they're not like,

they're not going to dive into the proud boy alpha male culture shit. But they've gotten a little bit wrapped up in this stuff. And it's just like, it's very... I guess what I'm curious about is like, I understand the demographic they're catering to, but what do they want you to do? Well, that's very unclear, Jamie. Okay. I was like, what is the plan?

Like I understand the personality type, but I feel like I've consumed so much content and yet I don't know what the goal is. After these ads, we're going to learn what they want us to do. Don't say much is number one. Easy. You should only speak when you need to speak,

which that our awkward little friends book said the same thing. Right. But it's just like, okay, you're describing continuing to be shy. Like, what is the... I think this is people, this is young men who have gotten drawn into aspects of the, of the manosphere,

but also whenever they meet like pickup artists types or like men's rights activist types, they find them infuriating and because they're terrible. Like if people who are, who are, have enough on the ball to recognize how horrible the manosphere is, but also don't have enough on the ball to not have gotten sucked in a little bit. And this is, there's enough of them.

Still needs to gamify all of their social interactions. Yeah. Be a rebel. Like it's just so generic. It's fascinating. It's a really... I'm really, I'm kind of confused as to like... Let me, I think the way I can explain it is like the manosphere

is an ocean and it's like an ocean of piss, but it's an ocean and this is the sigma male subculture that seems to be in the process of developing is like a tide pool of piss, right? It's near the ocean. It's influenced by the ocean, but it's its own little ecosystem. I'm pressing play again.

But what are they trying to, are they just trying to have sex? Is that it? Yeah. I mean, they're all just trying to have sex, right? Like that's the core of all of this, is how do I have sex with women? These are the guys who don't want to do the pickup artist stuff

or the... But do they want like to form meaningful relationships? No, they don't want meaningful relationships. Like five more seconds it goes, be mysterious, be a rebel, and then it says, the women will fall all over you. Yeah.

I've got another ad. Jamie, yes. We'll move on from this video in a second because it's cool what's going on. I think that like obviously none of the people who get wrapped up in this have their primary concern being meaningful relationships. But I think the folks who fall in for the alpha male bullshit

don't want meaningful relationships. They just want to fuck. Right. They just want to fuck, yeah. The people who fall for the sigma male things think that they do want a meaningful relationship, but they also objectify women and can't not gamify the entire process of courtship

because they've been... And have a scary pyramid, yeah. Yeah, they've been broken by the internet in similar but different ways. This is fascinating. I did not call this when we started this little live investigation we're doing. Yeah, I'm interested in this

because it has all of the toxic elements that early shit does, but it doesn't quite seem focused on something yet. No, and there's not... There has been almost no focus in that video or in the other book about women. It's not the same attempt to... We're not seeing the Vox Day stuff yet of,

here's the different categories of women and how you woo the different types of women. It's not aggressively anti-women, at least not the stuff that we've dealt into yet. It's focused... But I mean, obviously it's still toxic, right when you're trying to reduce people to a hierarchy, a pyramid of masculinity.

That's unhealthy, but it's a fascinatingly different kind of unhealthy from the stuff we talked about last episode. This is very interesting to me. See, another thing, they're not the type of guy who would jump from one woman to another. Instead, they try to find a woman who is self-sufficient like them and independent.

Sigma men find these things attractive in the opposite sex. So I'm like, again, that doesn't... It's not the worst advice in the world. I mean, I know that we have just been treading piss for the last couple of hours, but yeah, this is the least scary shit, but it looks, and it's styled,

and it's presented like all the scary shit. So maybe it just hasn't gotten scary yet. I don't... Yeah, that's what I'm trying to decide. This is a strange, like, pupil state. Is it going to, like, get scary? Because right now, what I'm not seeing, that's nice, that I expected to see,

is I haven't run into anything in the sigmal stuff that makes me think somebody reading this is going to shoot up a yoga studio, right? We haven't hit that point in it yet. No, it's like... Or is it like, is this going to pick some men who might have wound up in that funnel out and teach them slightly less toxic bullshit

that's still toxic, but not as? I don't know. I don't know. I think what we're going to watch next, after this next ad break, there's another video that was suggested to me by YouTube's recommendation algorithm based on the first video, and it's much more popular. Oh, cool.

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We're about to start Five Habits of the Sigma Mail. And start. I'm sure that you have heard of the Alpha and Beta meals at some point in your life. In popular culture, these terms, based on the alphabet, are used to describe meal personalities. Staring into an empty box in the world. And so gone there.

While the Beta meals are right below him. Generally, an Alpha meal takes charge while a Beta meal follows and serves. Many men do not fit the Alpha and Beta roles. Wow, men contain multiple states. That's why there's more Alpha-based personality deaths. Get it? The Sigma Mail is the one who does not identify

a certain place in the hierarchy. Moreover, he uses the hierarchy to his advantage. It's so weird because I feel like they're trying to present something outside of this, like, bullshit masculinity binary that's developed. But this is just a new part of it. The binary still exists. But the music just changes, just me.

Yeah. A Sigma Mail is by nature a non-conformist. This is the first habit going left when everyone goes right. Yes, he can be social and enjoy social. In other this audio, we have a picture of a man walking alone in the snowy woods. Yeah, again, very, very twilight-like. It looks like Mr. Robot fan art.

Yeah. He's a real Sigma. Yeah, that's true. Rami Malek and Mr. Robot. Classic Sigma. When he goes for a hike, he prefers uncharted areas. He's an explorer. He's a rebel.

He likes the uncharted areas. I know. He's literally the nicest in the world. When he feels like he blends in, he knows the herd. He knows how to act like one of the herds. Okay. So he knows how to dress. All right.

I'm going to skip ahead to find what habit number two. Oh, so it's okay if you skip ahead. Habit number two is he often goes on dates with himself. With himself. Which is like, again, not everything. Yeah, it's like, yes, that's a healthy thing to do if you're not gamifying the entirety of your existence because the internet has so thoroughly broken you.

Still this freaky, like, man pyramid that you have to squish into a layer of. It's so, God, it's really, yeah, I don't know. Three is he travels alone somewhere far, far away. There's a lot of lonely people. Yeah. This is such a weird way of explaining loneliness. He keeps silent when he doesn't understand.

Yeah. Yeah, it's lonely. You're lonely. All right. Well, the next thing that has been suggested to me after this very. No, God, David Robert. No. Yeah, we're doing this.

Sophie, I'm driving this bus. I'm the Sigma. Yeah. Well, I'm your overlord. We're not doing it. Yeah, we have to. We have to, Sophie. Do you really want to listen to all of that?

We know what it's about. I don't want to listen to any of this, but here we are. Here we are. It's about men in the woods. It's about, it's literally about men going their own way. It is about men going their own way. That's the thing. I can see this leading into the stuff.

But this time in a less scary way. It's so strange. I'm very curious. Cause it seems like just even based on what we've been talking about that these movements start a little bit like blobby. They don't quite know what they're doing. And then, and then something happens and they settle on a goal. Yeah.

The Sigma's don't seem to have. Hit their goal yet. Other than that, they like to vacation alone and read books. You're like, okay. I do like the attempt to turn being lonely into a culture. Yeah. Yeah. And into a type of male who is irresistible to women,

but also doesn't usually is hard to get, but by his own choice. Yeah. I guess that's maybe going to lead to less mass shooters. Yeah. Jamie, do you feel like this is quite literally the, I'm not like the other girls trope, but like in gender reverse. But for boys. I don't know.

Well, I think it is like the same logic, but like, I'm not like other girls trope to me. It seems like a lot like it is to say something very simple as a way to like say that you are like, I feel like I'm not like other girls. It's just another way of being like girls are too much drama, you know, like women who say they don't hang out with other women because girls are too much drama.

And that's why they're like, I'm not like other girls. You can fucking shove me in a trunk and I won't scream. Like that kind of, I, oh gosh, it, it makes me, that's like a different kind of sadness to me. But they are just saying, I'm not like other boys. I'm lonely. And it's like, you're like a lot of boys. You're like a lot of people, you know, everyone's lonely.

I'm hitting some scary stuff at this point down the YouTube rabbit hole. I don't know. There's two things that have come up on my recommendations list that both really concerned me. One of them is Sigma male affirmations, two hours of reprogramming, spoken by Sigma spirit. Now this is made by mindful waves studio

and we're at about 157,000 views on this. They're making Sigma male ASMR. Wait. And they call it reprogramming, which is kind of scary. Yeah, I don't like this. That's not the start of a positive movement. Okay, so maybe this is, cause I'm like, maybe the video we first watched was kind of a one-on-one thing.

That's like, Hey, are you lonely? Stay on this algorithm path. Yeah, I think that's, I don't know. I hope it's not like this. This seems like a different kind of grifter than the traditional pickup artist or the, um, the mana sphere grip. There's almost more self-help. I want to read the mindful waves studio's description of their affirmations.

Are you a Sigma male? No. Sigma males have a unique set of skills and qualities that set them apart within the social hierarchy. In many ways, they're the most interesting and attractive types of men. Mysterious, introverted, intelligent, and charismatic in unpredictable ways.

Follow along with my reprogramming Sigma male affirmations to absorb these strengths, understand your Sigma self, and win as your own unique person. That's scary. And then you go further down. There's also an eight hour video. Yeah, there's an eight hour video which scares the hell out of me.

It has the cover art from Justified. So I guess the cop from Justified and John Wick are the two big Sigma male. I thought you were saying Justified, like the Justin Timberlake album been out is really confused. I feel comfortable saying this because it's a man speaking. This is the most vocal forever in my entire life, is the Sigma male affirmations.

Okay, I have to, I haven't listened to it yet. All right, I'm starting. Oh no. My introversion has magical capability. I can hear the vocal fry through whoever's listening to it, and I don't have it playing. I have no issue with vocal fry, but I know who's complaining about it the most.

Yeah, don't know why you're special. It's because you're a Sigma male. Yeah. We're the most interesting and attractive types of men. Introverted, intelligent, I have the stoic masculinity of a samurai without a master. Did you really say that? Yeah, I fast forwarded to an hour and I'm like,

okay, what does he say once he thinks you're asleep? All right, I'm going to hit 110 and see what he tells me. My introspective nature allows me to harness deep reserves of power. My nature allows me to harness deep reserves of powers and capabilities. Wow. I wonder if this is nofap too. It creates a deep bond with people. My introversion has magical capabilities.

Yes, that's an iconic, I'm going to get a shirt. My introversion has magical capabilities. Oh, no. I am a covert operative. I feel comfortable saying this is a totally different kind of toxic than I thought it was. I have the social skills of an assassin that penetrates a walled off society to complete his mission.

I am hard to understand and this makes people try harder. My skills with women are based on my deep core competencies. I have the courage of a sniper. I've been saying this. Okay, I just feel like they all want to be Jughead from Record Ale. I have deep layers. People try to crack open. I am great with women.

I am like a covert operative who depends on himself. She looks scared. Women are constantly being sucked into my vortex. Oh, no. Oh, God. My mysterious masculinity is adored. Women are incredibly curious to open. So it is just like repeating very specific, scary,

like whatever, like toxic affirmations. But there's no, but there's no action. There's no action. It's not like the other pickup artists stuff. Like they're not, they're not teaching men tactics to pick up women. They're trying to convince introverted loners that if they just accept being an introverted loner, that's the hottest thing you can be. Yes, it's Jughead from Riverdale.

Like I have just, it is literally, it is literally whatever Sprouse brother playing Jughead from Riverdale. Yeah. I don't know what that is, but yes. So weird. You don't need to, but that is, that is the point. I did not expect this to be the lessons that we took out of today. It's like, it's weird, but I, I don't know.

I mean, it's, it's weird. Yeah. And of course there's Jordan in my recommendations. There's Jordan Peterson videos. There's a lot of my God. This is a gateway. There's, I've seen 40 hours worth of videos of Sigma male affirmations. Oh my God.

This is just, you can pass out for a day and a half and not run out of Sigma male affirmations. Yeah. Sigma male strength guided meditations. This is an untapped market. I'm about to log the fuck in and be like, Sigma males. I totally, I've drawn into your vortex. Yeah.

The one guy, no girl can resist the Sigma from the far from average YouTube channel with 1.29 million subscribers. And there's nearly a million views on this video. We're going to end by going over this last video guys. I'm going to send you this link. Okay. Well, my question, I guess is like repeating to yourself that you're the greatest person in the other world, like in the entire fucking world is not

going to make women like you more. So what happens when inevitably you realize that what happens then? Yeah. Cause it's like, there's a, there's a level to which some of the stuff they're saying, this idea that like I am awesome and great because I'm my own, like I'm an introverted smart person who doesn't need other people or seek to be an alpha. That's not like.

I mean, I've read equivalents of that in teen magazine. There's a, there's a version of this that's like on the road to healthy thinking, but it's all wrapped up in, I am the best and most attractive type of man out of the categories of man that there are because I'm a Sigma man. And that's like that it's, it's both on the verge of like someone heading in a healthier direction and also on the verge of Elliot Rogers shit. Right. Like this, I mean, the most attractive and perfect kind of man because I'm a

Sigma male. What happens when you're the kind of, when you keep being a Sigma male and the women don't realize that you're the most attractive kind of man. Exactly. That's where something bad happens. Like I, but they don't say that it's so confusing. Okay. So it's, it does remind me because like whatever on both sides of this quote

unquote, like binary, right? It's like women are asked to reach a level of perfection that they, they could not possibly exist. But then the Sigma's are over here saying, I have achieved that. I am the most perfect person to ever exist. And people just don't see it. Like, but, but what happens when people, when they just continue to be lonely? How do you explain that?

That's the scary thing, right? What happens when none of this works and you keep being lonely and not as like, what happens when sitting alone on your computer and reading books doesn't give you as many girls as the alphas you imagine exist, right? Yeah. Then do you start shooting up a yoga studio? It seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I'm so, I'm very confused by this.

This is very different, but fascinating. I sent you a link. I want to close on this last video because it has like a million views. Okay. And it's titled the one guy no girl can resist. So ladies, we'll watch this and you'll let me know if you think this, the guy this, this video is describing can be resisted because, because I can't evaluate that objectively.

Perfect. So are we all ready? I'm ready. All right. Play. You're about to learn. Mike Far from average is the name of the channel. 1.29 million subscribers.

Girls and how to interact with them. What many people fail to realize is that we live in a world that is governed by a social hierarchy. This system determines where people and groups of people. Starting with the hierarchy. Some call it the chain of command or the pecking order. Jesus Christ. It's just an unseen ranking system. Everywhere you look.

It's always with a fucking pyramid. Pyramids and skulls. This governs everything you do. Everywhere you look. This is the system. All the individuals or groups in the upper echelon of the system that wield the greatest power in high school or college. This is.

These are the ball players. The super attractive. So toxic. From the moment mankind developed a civilized society. The ones at the top have always received the greatest rewards. The ball players can pretty much. Yeah. This is.

It's also just really interesting. The ball players. Yeah. The like narrators. And the tone of voice they have. Every single person on the planet is part of the social hierarchy. Yeah. It is like kind of a more normal sounding.

Because it's like when you go back to like pick up artists. YouTube back in the day. It was like these guys who were fucking jacked and couldn't move. Oh God. This is. Really toxic stuff. The number one. Everyone in the world is part of this hierarchy.

Alphas were born with genetics that make them dominant. Like. Again what is with the weird part situation going on in these videos. This has a million views. Suggested videos for me are Joe Rogan the mere method. Sway house. Yeah. Tiktok.

Wow. This is so weird. Yeah. Oh God. And there's another video from Einzel Ganger. That's Sigma male or Joker. Oh no. Yeah.

See I know they ate always. Okay. First of all. Does anybody have to get ready to get a girl obsessed with you stealth seduction. No. No. Okay. Okay.

Okay. That has two hundred. Okay. This is a gateway drug is my summary of it all. Yeah. This is all very toxic. This sounds. Yeah.

This is like whenever you're at Z new level with Sigma stuff something really fucked up happens. But it just takes a while. Like. Yeah. There was a piece written about Sigma males in Mel magazine a couple of weeks ago by oh by my friend Miles Clee who says I don't like it's no one seems to know what this fucking thing is.

A red-pilled man who doesn't actually want to be an alpha because being an alpha and becoming an alpha is too much work. So therefore you just say I am already an alpha. But then what like I'm as good as an alpha but I'm I'm a different kind of man that's actually better because I'm cool and mysterious and women like me better. But also I don't spend a lot of time around women because I'm a loner and. Yeah. They're a bullshit pyramid of their own making.

Yeah. To be constructing a new bullshit pyramid. I don't know what you got to watch Riverdale now. Because it's literally they made a whole series about this. That's what that series is. My God. There's the Alpha guy and the Sigma guy. They're best friends and it's just bleh.

Yeah. Well I think we've gained a proper understanding of the Sigma male today. Gateway drug jugs and Riverdale summary. Yeah. So I guess our three Sigma examples are Jugdale. Jughead from Riverdale. Jugdale. John Wick and the guy from Justified according to our YouTube recommendations algorithm.

Oh my God. Three characters who are objectively a taker to themselves and others. Six. Six. Well this has been a fascinating exploration. I think we've all learned everything that we need to know. Well I'm glad that far right red pilling operations finally have their version of astrology to enjoy.

Good for them. Good for them. Good for them. Too bad there's going to be a fucking body count inevitably with shit like this. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm in pain. Well that'll about do it for us here at behind the bastards.

Jamie you want to plug anything? Any Sigma videos you're going to be checking out next? No and in fact I would ask that people don't link me to more Sigma information. I don't want any. If you know more than I do all of the questions I have posed in this podcast episode I don't actually want the answers and please don't tell me them if you know what they are. I'd like to live completely in the dark here. But you can follow me on Twitter and you can listen to Lilita podcast and that's what

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