Behind the Bastards - Part Two: Julius Streicher: The Other Hitler

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

Robert and Jake conclude the story of Julius Streicher, the trailblazing Nazi cancel culture pioneer.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:01:53 Oh, man. Oh, I love that shit. Then I just get to stand at the top four. I don't know why I'm making it to the press if I get up late. I don't know why. Well, I am always depressed. So that might be something to do that.
Starting point is 00:02:04 I don't matter which time. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way.
Starting point is 00:02:14 I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way.
Starting point is 00:02:22 I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I'm opening it this way. I was like, why would I do this? Horrible. And then I went to sleep until right before this recording started and woke up feeling like shit. That sounds like just your life choices. Yeah, it sure was. So, Fee, why did you make me get up this early? Uh, because Jake doesn't live in our time zone and it seems fucking rude to make somebody record a podcast in the middle of the night. Yeah, we're talking about conspiracy theorists today.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Seems like kind of a conspiracy to suggest that the time might be different just because you're in another country, Sophie. You're so annoying. I know. We should stick to, um, like you guys should follow real time British time. But it, but yeah, isn't that isn't it Greenwich mean time? Is that what you guys use? Right? We just call it real time. Just real time.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Just actually people. As opposed to fake American time. Yeah. Oh, our time zones are fucking nonsense. You know, it's like, uh, I don't know, using inches, but wait, do you guys use inches? Are you? I always forget how it works.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Do you know what we use everything? It's weird, like we all have the right. Like depending on what you're talking about, yeah. Like people give America shit, because we like picked the one thing that no one else basically uses, but you guys picked like both of them, which is also kind of nonsense.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah, I don't know. Love it, we're a stupid place, really. Everyone is. This is behind the bastards, a podcast about the stupid place that is the world and the terrible people who make it worse, I guess. Jake, you ready to get back to talking about Julius Striker? Forever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Yeah. So again, as we left off, he is kind of one of the guys alongside Hitler that a lot of people in the German writer like maybe this guys are Messiah, you know, maybe he's the dude who's going to bring us back to greatness and then convinces to invade Russia in an opportune time and get several million of our young men killed again. Whatever. That's what people are saying about Striker and about Hitler. And Striker is part of this kind of like anti-Semitic, you know, you in the organization, whereas Hitler's,
Starting point is 00:04:32 you know, part of the German Workers Party, which is in the process of merging with the German Socialist Party to form the National Socialist German Workers Party, aka Denazis. So when Striker joins this organization run by his buddy, Dickel, he takes the newspaper that he had started using the funding from the German Socialist Party and he brings it with him because he's the guy who owns it. He changes its name to Deutsche Volkswill, which I think just means German people's will. And he kind of ups the violence in his rhetoric, particularly the anti-Semitic violence
Starting point is 00:05:07 by a couple of Jots when he does this. Not only does he start devoting more time to laying out conspiracy theories, but he starts accusing Jewish citizens in Germany, often by name of specific criminal acts, generally in Nuremberg. So he's not just doing this sort of general, it's the Jews that caused us to lose World War I yadda,
Starting point is 00:05:26 he's saying like there is a specific Jewish person or a specific group of Jewish people who carry it out the specific crime in Nuremberg, right? Often these crimes are completely, generally these crimes are completely made up. He's basically always making up like who was the culprit behind them. A lot of it is like accusing rabbis
Starting point is 00:05:44 of literally murdering Christian children and stuff. It doesn't matter that like kids aren't going missing, or sometimes like a kid will die just the way, it's fucking 1921, you know, kids trip and fall and cut their arms and get infected and shit. Exactly, right? Like yeah, so anytime something like that happens,
Starting point is 00:06:03 find a way to blame it on the Jews, you know, put this shit out. Now, it's not legal to just like accuse random people of child abduction and murder, right? Like you can get in trouble for that even back then. And he actually, he goes so far in this stuff. The Bavarian courts are pretty right wing. They're not like naturally inclined to prosecute a guy like striker, but he goes so far in like accusing random Jewish people of crimes that he gets charged and convicted of slander. Getting convicted of slander as a right wing political in 1921 Bavaria, pretty hard. But the Jewelist does it. Yeah. This tiny amount of pressure from the government though, winds up really helping him. Like the fact that he's been convicted and charged because now he's able to play the
Starting point is 00:06:52 victim, right? Not only is he, he's like, I'm, I'm being prosecuted. They're trying to stop me from talking to you. And so it brings this helps to bring in more followers, bring more subscribers to his newsletter, bring more subscribers to his newsletter, bring more members to the organization that Dickel founded, that he's kind of the figure four and striker gets more famous on April 4th, 1922, several thousand Nurembergians, Nurembergians, whatever.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Show up to burgers is good. Several, several thousand burger, now I'm hungry, several thousand burgers show up to listen to striker, give a speech in which he explains that in August of 1914, he had gone to war believing himself a soldier of Germany, only to find out that he was a pawn in this grand Jewish game for global control and also the French are involved. And a huge amount of his rhetoric is focused upon kind of taking advantage of and stoking the anxieties of young German
Starting point is 00:07:45 men in this time who they've just lost a war like young men don't like losing wars and they're kind of emasculated, right, by defeat and this sense of inferiority that it brings. And that's a big part of what striker is going to take advantage of. I'm going to read you a quote that he gave in this speech here. Stand in front of a hotel and see who takes the arms of the German girl, not the German worker. We know they sometimes give themselves to the orientals.
Starting point is 00:08:11 When a negro or a black soldier on the Rhine misuses a German girl, she is lost to the race. And he is, when he's bringing up like black soldiers going out with German girls, what he's talking about is that the Rhine, which is kind of, or the rure, actually, I think it is, is the, which is the industrial, it's all along the Rhine though, which is the industrial like heartland of Germany. It's where they'd done a lot of their arms production
Starting point is 00:08:32 for World War I. That's occupied under the Treaty of Versailles by French troops for a significant chunk of the Vimer period. And the French often send over like colonial soldiers, including like African soldiers. Occurians and not. Exactly, exactly. Everywhere you have soldiers stationed in a foreign country,
Starting point is 00:08:53 this shit will happen. Some number of them will do bad things. And whenever something like that happens with these French occupation troops, it is this huge deal on the right. Because there's this race panic issued towards it too. They're angry just period of the fact that they lost the war. That's what striker is kind of, he's not only sort of like, look, they've got these black
Starting point is 00:09:18 soldiers on our soil, but more broadly speaking, he's like, German women are being taken from German men because we've been amasculated by defeat. And this is part of a Jewish plot to like water down our blood, right? That's the thing that strikers do. Yeah, you know, like that's how it's going. That's how it's going with that one. Well, yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Yeah. That do be the Nazis. Yeah. So his time with the German working group was short. One of his rallies was broken up by a giant street fight with communists, which Dickles' organization apparently considered his fault. He left in the subsequent disagreement, unable as ever, to handle anyone criticizing him. And this leaves Julius in a bit of a pickle.
Starting point is 00:09:57 He needs an organization, right? He's not anything without sort of like, he's got like a degree of celebrity, but like he wants to be a part of a party, right? He wants to be working towards taking power. And his paper at this point is still too small to be profitable on its own without kind of the guaranteed regular sales that came with being the paper of a political organization. And he's sort of like fishing around who's going to take me, who wants Julius, you know, who's willing to have me, who wants Julius, who's willing to
Starting point is 00:10:25 have me be on their side. And the only party in Germany who's kind of radical enough to take someone like him, who's got the reputation he has, is the new Nazi party. Now there's still in the process of doing this merger at the time. And the guys who had been sort of running the Democratic Socialist Party and had worked with Stryker earlier don't want him in the Nazi party. And the dudes who had sort of been fighting with Hitler within the German Workers Party also don't necessarily want Striker. And so when he starts reaching out to Hitler, because like Hitler's the guy he likes basically
Starting point is 00:11:01 sends a letter to being like, hey, I think I'd be willing to like work with you guys, they send Hitler a letter filled with like dirt on Julius, trying to basically like convince Hitler not to work with him be like, ah, here's all this shit about like Julius Striker all this bad stuff, you know, about like why this guy is not trustworthy. But then this is really interesting. Striker doesn't get along with most people who are in charge of him and Hitler, not a great guy at sharing the stage, but for whatever reason, the two of them kind of get along, and when Hitler gets this letter filled with dirt on Striker, he's like, I think this is bullshit.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I think I like this guy and I want to work with him. And we don't really know why, but in addition to Hitler kind of liking striker and wanting to work with him, striker, this guy who cannot take direction, who doesn't like to listen to people, who has a conflict with everyone who puts themselves above him, kind of decides at this moment, you know what? I'm willing to like take a back seat and back Hitler as the fewer. Like maybe I could do that,. I'm willing to like back him I'm willing to like give him you know my full faith and support We don't fully know why he makes this call
Starting point is 00:12:13 But in May of 1922 he publishes an article on his newspaper called the longing of a strong hand echoing Sabotendorps work he begged German anti-Semites He a night behind a single leader who could give direction to the quarrelsome right wing. And he kind of ends with him like being like, you know, I think Hitler's probably a guy to watch for this. One possibility here is that striker, at this point, he's been in politics a while. He's had a couple of big failures, you know. He's tried to basically build two parties around him and failed two times.
Starting point is 00:12:45 So he may have just, like, he's not a humble guy, but he may have actually just kind of recognized his limitations and been like, clearly I can't do this and Hitler can. So I'm going to support the guy who's doing it, you know? The other possibility, which I think, you know, both of these things are possible, is that he kind of just falls in love with Hitler. Like, this seems to be genuine from him, like that he is like genuinely loyal and genuinely believes in Hitler as the fucking right wing Messiah, type dude.
Starting point is 00:13:17 We don't actually know when the two first met, probably at some point in 1922, years later, when he's on trial at Nuremberg, Julius is going to give his sort of explanation of how they met. And this is a lie, obviously. We are talking about a Nazi leader on trial for war crimes against humanity. He's not giving you the truth of whatever their meeting was, but I still think it's interesting what he's later going to claim is like how the two of them like meet
Starting point is 00:13:45 So he says he shows up at the speech that Hitler's giving he's kind of curious about this guy that's sort of been billed as you know Maybe his rival and he's immediately taken in by Hitler's supernatural charisma He's overwhelmed by the chanting of the crowd and he he like has almost this vision of Hitler as a messenger from heaven That's how he described it. Quote, quote, clothed with the beauty of inspired language. And striker claims that he's so overwhelmed with the raw, godly force of Hitler's charisma
Starting point is 00:14:13 that he like walks up to him right after the speech and swears fealty. Quote, never before had I heard that song sung so imploringly, so filled with faith and hope. And never before had the singing of Deutsche Lendube Ralez, moved me as deeply as it did in that mass meeting, where I first saw Adolf Hitler and heard him speak. I felt it. In this moment, destiny calls to me a second time. I hurried through the jubilant massets to the podium, stood
Starting point is 00:14:36 before him and said, I am Julia Stryker. At this moment, I know I can only be a follower, but you are a leader. I give you the popular movement, which I have built in Frankonia, which is the German state that Neuronberg's in. So I was like, he was given the hit with the dick, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's giving it like, he's definitely like bootlicking here. Pretty, he was like deep thrifting that boot. He's got it up to the heel, you know?
Starting point is 00:14:57 How long were you holding that in? I'd just been trying to work out in my own house. I know. I know. Yeah. Proud of you. I think the coke's going in my head. Yeah know. I know. Yeah. Proud of you. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.
Starting point is 00:15:07 I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Proud of you. Stryker's biographer, he kind of provides what I think is a much more realistic theory as to how these two guys get together, which is basically that like, Stryker, he's a man without a party, but he's got a shitload of followers who just like him because they like listening to him. He's got this paper, and he sits down with Hitler and the Nazis, and they have this like negotiation, like this kind of hard-nosed negotiation in which, you know, he's like, hey, I need money from you guys to help me deal with the debts that I've accumulated, you know, in exchange, I'll bring you these followers, I'll like back Hitler.
Starting point is 00:15:52 It's very, it is very much a rational political decision. While there's definitely, like, Striker will be loyal to Hitler, like there is a degree of legitimate affection between the two men. This is also just a very practical call for him. It's a business decision as well as a political one. So yeah, interesting stuff. Julius, for his part, seems to be one of the few men Hitler respected. It's notable. Every time you, you, you like read anything about the two, you will see it noted that striker was one
Starting point is 00:16:25 of a very small number of Nazis who are allowed to use the pronoun do to refer to Hitler. Do you? I'm not a German speaker, I barely speak English, but do is like an intimate pronoun. Like you only use it with somebody that you're like close with, right? Right, like your actual friend. Like your actual friend.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Like your actual friend, the actual like almost people you, yeah. And obviously this is, I think on Hitler's part, letting Striker do this is more of a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's kind of a political move, but it's also based on his respect for the man's loyalty because Hitler does not personally like striker. The two are not friends. They don't hang out together. Hitler will actually kind of avoid him when he's in power and like big meetings and stuff like we'll try not to hang. But Hitler will also defend him against other Nazis who hate him because he has so much respect for striker skill as a propagandist, right? Which is an interesting sort of relationship for them to have.
Starting point is 00:17:24 It just sounds like that guy way, he's like, oh, fuck, it's him again. It's him again, but also a man that he's fucking good at what he does. He's good, yeah. We need him around, but I don't want him around me. Yeah, I don't want to like have dinner with him, but like I will back him to the hill
Starting point is 00:17:38 just as long as he stays away. So Striker never quarreled with Hitler, but he did get into regular conflict with other Nazis. And he has a particular early issue with the leader of the Nuremberg essay, you know, the storm, the Nazi street fighting organization. They're proud boys, so to speak. Because he winds up taking control of the city's Nazi party, like this struggle kind of goes on. And he winds up winning it. And in 1923, Julius is sort of running the Nazi party branch in Nuremberg. And as a result of like taking over, he decides to launch a new newspaper.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And this is a publication that he's going to use for the specific goal of not just bringing people to the Nazi party, but to inspire regular Germans to embrace his war on Judaism. He names it Der dare sturmur. Now, that means like the stormer, right? Like in terms of like a stormtrooper, right? Like that's how that term is used. He's very much calling up sort of people's memories of World War One. He's very much sort of making, you know, a point of the fact that that's what he did in the war. He will later claim that his inspiration was that he wanted to use this paper to storm the red fortress of left-wing politics in Germany.
Starting point is 00:18:50 And initially, in Dairstirmer, articles are kind of split between three major topics. He's one of the major topics is him just going on rants against people who made fun of him. The other is attacking the Jews and the last is going after the mayor of Nuremberg, Herman Lupa, like half of his early articles are just attacking the mayor. He fucking hates the sky. Is that the guy that did him for, for talking bad? Yeah, he had a major role in that. That's a big part of where it starts. And Lupa to his credit, he's not a left-wing radical.
Starting point is 00:19:24 I'm not saying that's to his group, but just to his credit, he's not a left-wing radical. I'm not saying that's to his credit, just to describe him. He's not a left-wing radical. He's kind of politically, he's like a bridge between moderate centrist liberals and democratic socialists who are sort of like the moderate leftists of their day. And obviously, the kind of centrist libs don't get along with the democratic socialists, don't get along with the communists. Lupa's not really in with the communists, but he is a bridge between the centrists and the Democratic Socialists.
Starting point is 00:19:48 And he is profoundly anti-Nazi. And he does the best that he knows to try to go after a striker. Obviously, it doesn't work. And you feel for the guy, he gets persecuted under the Nazis. He winds up dying is a real bummer. He makes it through most of the war as like a persecuted political enemy of the Nazis, he winds up dying is a real bummer. He makes it through most of the war as like a persecuted political enemy of the Nazis and then dies in an air raid in 45,
Starting point is 00:20:11 which is a fucking bummer. But, you know, he tried. Yeah. Yeah. Striker spends most of his first four issues attacking the mayor with publishing, alongside, you know, ancillary articles accusing local Jewish people
Starting point is 00:20:25 or organizations of crimes. And it was this latter brand of content, you know, these articles sort of making explicit allegations against Jewish citizens that's going to lead to strikers first period of time in jail. And I'm gonna quote from Calvin University's German propaganda archive here. And one of these meetings held in 1922
Starting point is 00:20:43 and the town of Shonengan in in Franconia, Stryker pointed out that 16 newspapers had recently reported on the disappearance of over 100 German children before the Jewish Passover season of 1919. Since none of the boys was ever located, Stryker concluded that they must have become victims of Jewish ritual murder. He explained that his reasoning was based on teachings contained in the Talmud, which allegedly instructed Jews to kill Christians, especially children, and drink their blood during the Jewish Easter season. Striker was sued on the ground of defaming the Jewish religion
Starting point is 00:21:13 and sentenced to 14 days in prison. He appealed and the sentence was reduced to a fine of 2000 marks plus court costs. And first off, it's interesting, you know, you and I before this call, we're kind of talking about our episodes, you know, a week or so ago on BTB about this kidnapping panic that's going everywhere. You see the same thing is going on in Vimar Germany, right? This, you know, in America, the statistic you hear quoted is like half a million children go missing every year in the United States, which is a lie. That would be one out of seven children born every year in the United States gets abducted. What it is is that yeah, there's like four or five hundred thousand every year reports a hell of a lot more. Well, it's not it's
Starting point is 00:21:56 reports of kids going missing, which is generally not a kid actually going missing. it's either you have a custody dispute between two people and one of them takes the kid. And there's a report filed against the police as part of that ongoing thing or like, you know, a lot of its mistakes and stuff, there's not a half a million children who just disappear, right? That would be, that would be a calamity, you know? Yeah, yeah. I think the thing is though, it's one of the ones where as dark as it is,
Starting point is 00:22:30 it's smart to use something like that because one child going missing is a total tragedy. Yeah. And to play on people, you know, kids, everybody loves their kids or they should do, you know, and everyone loves kids. And it's like, yeah, it's so hits you right in the heart. You know what I'm saying? It's a tactic, as we can see, all this time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:52 And who knows why these hundred kids go missing? Right, yeah, for one thing, hundred kids across Germany in 1922, that's not like an epidemic. But each of those cases, as you said, is like a dagger to the heart. Yeah. I'm sure there's a bunch of different reasons. Striker is just using that statistic and then making the unfounded claim.
Starting point is 00:23:09 It's the Jews that are doing it, whereas I'm sure it's a mix of kids falling down wells, kids getting abducted by parents. There's probably some creepy sex pests in there, but it's like in any society, some number of kids bad things will happen to. I'm not saying that to like write it off, but like if you sort of can blame it on a specific group of people, you can make a lot of political hay. And so anyway, that's working well for him. And he learns from his time getting arrested for this and like the fact that again, getting fucked with by the court a little bit,
Starting point is 00:23:40 getting this fine, it doesn't really disrupt his ability to organize, you know, the party pays the fine, but it helps him build support. And he also like the fact that, you know, this strike such a nerve, the reason why he gets prosecuted for this is because it works. It gets a lot of people reading his paper because people are interested when you claim that there's some conspiracy against their children, right? Like it's just a thing people inherently pay attention to. Um, and whatever punishment the state's going to give you for lying about this stuff is a lot less of an issue than like the benefit you get from, from making this a center of your politics.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Um, so dare sturmur becomes a runaway hit. Uh, and in fact, it's so successful that Max Aman, who's the leader of the Nazi party's press wing asks him to stop publishing it because it's taking business away from the Nazi party paper. Now, strikers is not going to ignore him and it's going to wind up being good for the Nazis that he does ignore him. In these early days, Der Sturmer is not as the full-size newspaper it's going to become, it's kind of like a pamphlet right now.
Starting point is 00:24:44 It's usually about four pages long. And so, you know, it's building a name for itself. And then in 1923, our boy Hitler has his Munich beer hall putch, right? Tries to take over the government. Can we not with our boy Hitler? No, okay, sure. Sure, Sophie.
Starting point is 00:25:04 A friend of the pod, Adolf, that's... Oh, so no. He does his putch. It doesn't go well. A lot of people get shot and strikers are part of that, right? He's one of what's the knots he's going to call the old fighters, you know? So he's in the putch. He doesn't get killed, but he does get arrested.
Starting point is 00:25:20 He does a couple of months, you know, in prison. So not that bad, a sentence. Hitler's more like a year. And he gets out afterwards and he starts printing dare sturmur. And the push, there's a couple of things that have happened here. For one, the Nazi party has been temporarily banned. So suddenly, this Nazi newspaper that like folks in the party had been frustrated because dare sturmur was distracting attention from it. It can't publish anymore, but dare Sturmer is not a Nazi newspaper. It strikers paper.
Starting point is 00:25:51 So he can keep publishing it during this period in which the party is kind of technically banned. The other thing that's happened here is that the court case that Hitler goes through, right, when he's charged with doing this, this, this, this push, as we've talked about in our episode on the Munich Beer Hall Putsch, becomes like a media circus in Germany, right? And everybody Hitler uses it very effectively to spread propaganda while he's on trial. He's giving these speeches about his beliefs and about what he sees as necessary for the nation. And it works incredibly well, like he makes a lot of political hay out of this. And in the wake of it, number one, Hitler's become a celebrity across the country, as opposed
Starting point is 00:26:32 to this kind of regional figure. And number two, a lot of Germans are now curious about Nazi beliefs and about anti-Semitic politics. And strikers paper, which is still publishing, kind of becomes the de facto paper for Nazi sympathetic people during this period in which the party is technically banned. By 1925, it's increased its circulation to the size of a normal newspaper
Starting point is 00:26:56 with full-page advertisements and enough circulation to actually make money. So Stryker is now making a profit. And in fact, in the near future, he's going to get rich off of the success of this newspaper. So he continues, while this thing starts blowing up, to push the boundaries of what is considered at the time to be sort of acceptable anti-Semitic discourse.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Most mainstream racists in Germany stuck to vague insinuations that the Jews are in bed with the French or the socialists or the French socialists and are responsible for them losing the war yetiata. But you're also starting to get more and more writing in mainstream German press about Nazi racial theory, right? A lot of these high-minded articles about ancient Aryans start coming out now. This stuff had existed before World War I. As we've talked about, there's all these weird little right wing secret societies and vokish secret societies and stuff. But now this starts to get out into the mainstream.
Starting point is 00:27:51 And Striker understood that when it came to getting people on board with this kind of propaganda, one thing worked on getting the attention of regular people better than anything else. And that was blood, right? The best way to get people to pay attention to your racism was to titillate them with gory stories of violence. And speaking of profiting off of titillating people
Starting point is 00:28:13 with gory stories of violence, you know what time it is now, Jake? Is it at what? It's at the night. That's right. Ha ha ha ha. Uh. We are back. So I was just telling you, Jake, again, we're talking about how modern this guy is.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Part of what Striker does to build a career for himself as he kind of gets into true crime, right? That's the thing that he's's going, that's the kind of content that's going to like help make Dare Sturmer a big deal. Well, that changes everything. Yeah, exactly. I kind of, you know, it doesn't sound so bad now. That sounds so bad now. I'm scared of serial killers.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Share. These aren't actual true crimes, but that's how he like frames what he's doing. The first reference to ritual murder in Dare Stirmer is in 1924, and reader responses start to roll in, convincing Julius that this is a second spring of audience interest. By 1926, he built a focusing and entire issue of Derstirmer on ritual murder, framing it as an investigation into the supposed ritual killing by Jews and Brezlou. Quote, In Brezlou, two children, Otto and Erika Fessi, secretly vanished. They were murdered.
Starting point is 00:29:31 The corpse pieces were found the same day in a tied package in a public place. The search for the murderer began. The cloth and corpse pieces which were packaged became an open showcase in a public window which drew masses of people to come and view. According to the author of the article, the body parts had been bled before they were packaged. This and history were enough to proclaim it a Jewish ritual murder. Here's Striker again. Doesn't the fact that the body parts were found totally bled point to such a Jewish butchers
Starting point is 00:29:59 procedure? Such was the report of two of the salizian newspapers that announced that this Brezlau child murder sounds as though it is possibly a Jewish ritual murder. The Brezlau child murder reminds us of the Conex boy murder that was discovered a few decades ago. When for no apparent reason a boy disappeared from school, the traces led to a house of Jewish butchers, the blood pieces of remains of the boy were also found in a public place. This unsolved mystery has been brought to the attention of the criminal police. The crime was never solved. Now with the disappearance of these children in much the same way.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Sacred Skando, one of the best new podcasts of 2022, is back with a closer look at the darkness surrounding mega-church La Luz del Mundo and its leader, Nasson Joaquin Garcia. They believe that he was Jesus Christ on earth. It wasn't even so much that he liked sex. He wanted something to pray. It's the largest cult in the world that no one has ever heard of. For three generations, the Luz del Mundo had an incredible control on his community that began in Mexico and then grew across the United States, until one day. A day of reckoning for the man whose millions of followers call him the Apostle.
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Starting point is 00:31:33 It's a nightmare we could never have imagined. And a killer who is still on the loose. My small town rocked by murder. There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss. In the 1980s we're in high school losing friends, teachers, and community members. One after another, after another, for a decade. We weren't safe anywhere. We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes. Would we be next? Who is killing all the kids?
Starting point is 00:32:00 And why? In that moment, I saw rage. And why do some want the town's secrets to stay dead and buried forever? I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't warn you, Nancy. Listen to the Murder Years on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey what's up y'all, this is Eric Andreck, but I made a podcast called Bomming about absolutely tanking on stage.
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Starting point is 00:33:01 Subscribe to my podcast, bombing, with Eric Andre to hear more crazy stories from me and my friends I'll have guests like Sam Jay to will say Sloan Michelle buto Mac tomorrow Do you do a Doug Pound Saturday night lives Sarah Sherman and more listen to bombing with Eric Andre on Will Ferrell's big money players network on the I already have Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts to have Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I should this case also be lost in the sand. And again, you see what he's doing. It's like, this case, which we have to assume is done by the Jews because we know this is the kind of thing they do, is the same as this other case decades ago, where we know
Starting point is 00:33:37 that a boy was murdered by Jewish people. And of course, it was never solved, but like we know who it was. There's not ever any evidence here, right? But like- You can't it was. There's not ever any evidence here, right? But like, you can't think of thoughts on there. But you can give the details, since you don't have evidence to actually connect this, what you do is you give the details of the murder, right? And that gets people at such an agitated state
Starting point is 00:33:55 that need you to say. And then obviously, this was done by this group of people. And it works very well. When blood and violence weren't enough, striker turned to sex. Many darestermer articles contained live-id descriptions of sexual violence, right? And this is generally, he'll have an article
Starting point is 00:34:10 about some purported crime by like, you know, a non-white French soldier in the rure, or by, you know, Jewish cabals or whatever. And the purpose is both to like, get people angry against those groups of people, but also he's able to spend paragraphs talking about, you know, lurid sexual assault stories, and that gets people to buy the newspaper because like, it's kind of the most accessible pornography at the time.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Right. Yeah, like, yeah, it's messy, but like this is like a big part of it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a peel and in fact one Nazi German writer who hated Striker Described darestermers appeal this way He wants to keep his readers in constant suspense, but what do his readers want? Sensation and filth Striker gives that to them. He floods his readers with tastelessness and who are his readers? Mostly adolescents who are still wet behind the years. Thanks to strikers' education, every lattice familiar with homosexuality and prostitution. One cannot blame striker for speaking about these matters. Every newspaper today does.
Starting point is 00:35:15 The question is how one speaks of them. Striker gives them great prominence. May not one be concerned when one sees the sturmur, not only in the hands of older students, but also in possession of elementary school students. And that's interesting because it jails with something Randall Bitework says in his biography of sturmur, which is that in the early years of dare sturmur, it was kind of an analog to playboy magazine, right? That was a big part of its appeal to the kids who are going to get sort of piled on early Nazi politics is that like, you start reading their sturmur because it's where you read about like sex, right?
Starting point is 00:35:48 Right. Exactly, it's like titillating, you know? And boys will like, they'll get copies without their parents knowing and they'll share them with each other. They'll like, huddle around each other after school and like read these like lurid stories of sex and violence and whatnot, because like, it's kind of where you get them.
Starting point is 00:36:03 And the, I had no idea this had gone on because the fascination with this sort of thing was so durable that a lot of darestirmers early readers are Jewish Germans who would buy every issue and read it cover to cover. Striker would actually jokingly thank them for supporting the paper in its early years. And while he's not a trustworthy source, Bitework notes that in 1925, a Jewish newspaper in Nuremberg complained, quote, it is of great concern that the Sturmers
Starting point is 00:36:32 very frequently read, even in Jewish circles. We have found that large numbers of citizens of the Jewish faith buy the Sturmer and then take it home, concealed in a copy of other newspapers, thus Jews directly support the Sturmer. So this is like a problem for them, and they're supporting it not because they're like secretly, you know, into Nazi
Starting point is 00:36:50 propaganda, but because like, it's where you read sex stuff, you know? Right. Everyone likes smart. Yep. That is the secret to striker's brilliance, he understands like you wrap your racism and some smut. You'll get everybody's money, you know? Oh, no. Striker was also innovative in another way. While most Nazi propagandists, including Hitler, saw themselves as like these central powerful figures
Starting point is 00:37:17 guiding people towards a set of truths. Striker was willing to have more of a give and take relationship with his audience. Now, part of this was pratic and based on something other Nazi newspaper owners would do, which is that it's expensive to hire writers to write articles, right? And like, you know, photographs cost too much money to have a lot of those, but publishing reader letters is free, right? If you solicit shit from your readers and then publish that stuff, do a mailbox or whatever,
Starting point is 00:37:43 you know, you can like get free content for your newspaper without paying for it. This is a thing that a lot of Nazi papers did, where Striker and Der Sturmer differed was that again, they consider this sort of a two-way street. So when he starts to get a bunch of letters from readers who are like talking about a specific conspiracy theory, they have of, you know, so and so doing an evil thing. Striker will use that and he'll just sort of like write out an investigation. And he doesn't actually send anyone to investigate,
Starting point is 00:38:11 but he'll take these, it's Alex Jones does this a lot, where he'll like, you'll hear one episode, he'll get like a caller come in and make some sort of claim. And the next episode, he's like, I've got sources that say this is going on, you know? It's an easy way to make content, right? We'll do it.
Starting point is 00:38:26 So it's never actually over. Of course. Yeah. I found a fascinating analysis of the letters to Der Sturmer and like the different kind of ways they impacted content and the journal of modern Judaism by Dennis Schawalter. And Schawalter notes that Der Sturmer did sometimes publish just letters by outright cranks, like, you know, people, one example he gives is there is this guy who writes a letter to striker about how the Jews stole my business and they like forced me in an insane
Starting point is 00:38:55 asylum and it's, you know, it's clearly some dude who just like had a mental breakdown and blamed it all on the Jews for whatever reason. But letter, yeah. It's bankrupt. And then you would know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but letters, these kind of letters, where it's just like some crank writing out of conspiracy theory are kind of rare in terms of the kind of stuff he published. A much larger number of letters were requests for aid, either by people claiming, you know, I got swindled by a Jewish merchant or something, or by people just claiming
Starting point is 00:39:25 that they were suffering under the Weimar system, which was itself seen as Jewish. And publishing all of these letters allowed striker to make the case for Nazism in a way that was more personal than even a lot of Hitler speeches. The pages of Deir Sturmer became a place where German suffering from hard times could come to ask for aid. You could sort of direct support to people who were suffering through the, the news page was kept people coming in, which built the sort of relationship with the, and again, it's very modern to like the way social media works where you're like, oh, this guy is kind of politically on our side and he needs money for this. We'll do like a fundraiser for him, you know, and this also serves as a way to like,
Starting point is 00:40:03 you know, we can talk about this bad thing that happened to him and how it's part of the evil that our enemies are doing, right? Right. And so, Der Sturmer becomes kind of, this is how it becomes so central, a big part of how it becomes central, to like the growing Nazi movement. And likewise, Stryker is able to use the kind of conversations he's having with his readers through these letters to forge Derr's Sturmer into a sort of weapon that really hadn't existed before. And to talk about that, I'm going to quote again from Sho Walter's piece. By far the largest category of letters in Derr's Sturmer's files and pages expressed grievances of one kind or another, this correspondence can be further subdivided under four general headings.
Starting point is 00:40:44 The first can be best described as undifferentiated anti-Semitism, dislike of Jews as Jews. Here's simple hatred was less common than hostility based on profound ignorance. One rural correspondent described in detail the alleged Jewish practice of throwing stones on the graves of their dead while saying, greet Abraham Isaac and Jacob for me and when you see the little carpenter throw a stone at his head. The daughter of another local Nazi was employed by a Gentile family as Lady Help, until served a meal that included ground meat purchased from a Jewish butcher. Years of anti-Semitic horror stories about Jews deliberately polluting food,
Starting point is 00:41:18 especially meat, and then selling it to Gentiles, had their effect. The girl refused her dinner, even when her employer's mocked her focused prejudices and told her to either give notice. To her proud father, this principled stand has served recognition and darestirmer and striker agreed. Now, that may just sound like undead for inshated Nazi propaganda and it is.
Starting point is 00:41:37 But also what's happening here is this girl, or her dad at least, is using darestirmer to say, hey, this family, this prominent family who hired my daughter are doing business with a Jewish butcher. They're buying his products. And so not only does this spread this conspiracy that Jews are poisoning people, but it also shames
Starting point is 00:41:55 the specific family and kind of directs threats against them. Because their stermers readership are a bunch of asshole Nazis, right? So they hear, Oh, this family is buying from a Jewish butcher. Let's go fuck with them, right? Let's, you know, do some graffiti at their house. Let's like mess them up a little bit until they stop.
Starting point is 00:42:13 And this is a really important point, and turning point for Nazi propaganda, because one of the first steps on the road to genocide, anyway that it exists, but in Nazi Germany, this particular instance, is the exclusion of targeted people from daily life, right? Once Hitler takes power, of course, they pass a bunch of laws to restrict Jewish employment
Starting point is 00:42:34 to get them out of public, right? So that Germans on a daily basis are not making contact with Jewish people. And thus, don't have relationships with them, won't stand up to stop the state from killing them in other ways. But during the Vimar period, Striker is able to push Germans to cut out tens of thousands. God knows how many to cut off ties with their Jewish neighbors by using his
Starting point is 00:42:56 paper this way. Readers start basically whenever they see they see a, you know, you've got like a German family, you know, or a German business that's like not run by racists. We'll sell products that are made by this Jewish owned company or we'll have business with this Jewish butcher or whatever. You write about two dares' stirmer about them and then dares' stirmer says,
Starting point is 00:43:17 hey, this grocery store is selling meat from a Jewish butcher. Go pick it. Go spray paint, go break their windows. And some a lot of businesses just start to pull back from their dealings with Jewish business people, with Jewish companies, with Jewish doctors and stuff. Like, you know, people, yeah, exactly, because they don't want to be the subject of this shit.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Like people, people will write in letters being like, my neighbor goes to a Jewish doctor, and then that guy will get like fucking egged in the street or like beat up by the essay or something. And it pushes people, huge numbers of people who are kind of centrist or even kind of progressive to cut off ties with their Jewish neighbors in a lot of cases because it's so dangerous to do so. It's disastrous to your business. You can wind up getting very badly hurt as a result of it.
Starting point is 00:44:12 He is using mass media to direct harassment campaigns in order to separate German Jews from other Germans and it works extremely well. Der Sturmer is a potent weapon and it's a kind of weapon hadn't really existed before in this form because like mass media is sort of becoming getting born in this period of time. So yeah, that's good. That's so for real chain reaction, right?
Starting point is 00:44:37 Yeah, I mean, variants of this tactic are used all around today, right? It just, it works really well. It's this kind of, like when we talk about like the negative things about social media and how it can like direct harassment campaigns against people who go viral for whatever reason, you know, this is an early gasp of that, you know, it's obviously it's more directed, it's less of kind of a consequence, it's not a consequence of an algorithm or anything, but it is this understanding of like, well, you could just like lie to piss off a bunch of people
Starting point is 00:45:06 at a specific random person and that will change their behavior in a way that might benefit me politically. Yeah, I mean, it's a kind of algorithm, right? I mean, it's not a programmed one that's programmed by computers, but it's like a human algorithm. If we can upset this one, then these little will be scared to come here. And as a result, it will exclude one group from something else. It's very much like that now, but just obviously, like you said, via social media, where... Yeah, he basically, I mean, he's built a kind of gun here, and he's gonna leave it on the table
Starting point is 00:45:39 when he gets his hunger in November. But everybody can pick that gun up today, right? Like, it's easy to find. So the Sturmurber comes a potent weapon. You get these lured stories of violence and sex that draws and readers, especially young readers who, young people, you know, you don't have as much sort of impulse control. So when these letters come out saying, this family or this business is doing business with the Jews, they're maybe more likely to go fuck shit up, go break stuff, you know. It works well. And circulation increases
Starting point is 00:46:10 during the period, this like late 20s period, from the tens of thousands to the hundreds of thousands. And this makes Julius a very wealthy man. As the years go on, the Nazis draw ever closer to power. And Striker, who is, he's generally recognized as like, he's not a particularly bright guy in most things, you know, he's not like a very academic person, he's not a guy, you know, as a teacher, he wasn't very successful. But he's not just, this is not just,
Starting point is 00:46:37 he has like a degree of kind of like gut instinct as a propagandist, but he also pays attention to what works and doesn't. And over time, he starts to lay out a basis, uh, the basis for a theory on how to properly deploy propaganda, and a Nazi historian who worked with him in the thirties described Striker's style this way. Since he wanted to capture the masses, he had to write it in a way that the masses could understand, and a style that was simple and easy to comprehend.
Starting point is 00:47:04 He had recognized that the way to achieve the greatest effect on an audience was through simple sentences. Writing had to adopt a style of speaking, if it were to have a similar effect. Striker wrote in the sturmur the way that he talked. The worker who came home at night from the factory was neither willing nor able to read intellectual treatises. He was, however, willing to read what interested him and what he could understand. Striker, therefore, took the content from daily life and the style from speech. He thus gave the stumer its style, a style which many intellectuals could not understand, but which fundamentally
Starting point is 00:47:34 was nothing but the product of his own experience gained over the years. And it's one of the things that's compelling to me about this is that obviously like, you know, liberal and leftist intellectuals hate striker and attack him and often kind of don't understand why what he does works. But also Nazi intellectuals hate him because they don't. They think he's gross. He's bullish. His kind of anti-Semitism is really low class whereas theirs they feel is very intellectual. Hitler, a big part of what Hitler does is he defends striker from the intellectuals and the Nazi party who hate him. By being like, you guys don't get it. This dude has a fucking like hotline to the, like, angrying up the blood of sort of like working class Germans. He gets it. He gets how to talk to them and you people don't with your fancy ass weird books about Nazi race magic. That's not exactly it. That's exactly it. I mean,
Starting point is 00:48:32 I'd say it was clever in that regard. Of course. But the irony is that strikers version of anti-Semitism is way more honest. It's awful, but it's way more honest, because the intellectuals are as disgusting as striker. He's just saying it without the window dressing, you know? Yeah, I'm not making it. I'm not making like a moral difference between these guys for sure. But you're right. I'm just saying like it's ironic that they would look down on striker when they're the exact same people. Yeah, obviously like he'll lie about, you know, crimes and stuff that he claims people committed Yeah, obviously like Hally about crimes and stuff that he claims people committed,
Starting point is 00:49:06 but when it comes to the meaning of his hate, he's very honest. Yeah. So, striker sentences when he writes them and the disdainment are short, he keeps, he's very focused into the point, he uses simple words when he makes a report, and a big thing from his his when he makes a point,
Starting point is 00:49:25 he repeats it over and over again for months or even years. Each issue, there's never any new arguments, right? Every argument you're going to get from striker is laid out in the first, you know, issue of darestirmer, but every issue brings more pieces of evidence to support these arguments, right? And the central argument is that the Jews are a threat to German life. The the line that he uses over and over again is the Jews are our misfortune, right? And the central argument is that the Jews are a threat to German life. The line that he uses over and over again is the Jews are our misfortune, right, which becomes one of the most iconic pieces of anti-Semitic, Nazi propaganda, right? Yeah. In the mid-1920s,
Starting point is 00:49:59 Striker adds cartoons to Dare Sturmer. He had become, this is another area in which he's a trailblazer because he's become a fan over the period of making this of a racist cartoonist named Philippe Ruprecht who wrote racist cartoons under the pseudonym Fips. And striker is like the first Nazi dude to like realize like, hey, you know what, you know what everyone loves as a cartoon? This is a great way to just spread our propaganda. Fips is interesting because he was initially just like a cartoonist who happened to be a racist. And so he gets hired by a social democratic paper
Starting point is 00:50:36 to show up at a striker speech and like draw a caricature of striker, right, for this newspaper that doesn't like him. But Fips kind of falls in love with striker, right, for this newspaper that doesn't like him. But Fips kind of falls in love with striker and instead draws caricatures of that mayor I talked about, Lupa, and a prominent Jewish citizen who's got like beef with striker. And he, instead of like doing the thing he'd been paid to,
Starting point is 00:50:58 he goes to striker and he's like, hey man, I got paid to draw you, but instead I did these caricatures of these guys you hate, where you publish them in Der Sturmer. Striker does, and over the next eight years, Fips' anti-Semitic caricatures became the standard German visual shorthand for like identifying a public figure as Jewish.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Michael D. Bulmash, whose family collection of Holocaust-related propaganda is hosted by Kenyan University, describes the impact of Fipses drawings this way. These grotesque, often pornographic cartoons of Jewish stereotypes accompanied the propaganda striker disseminated, saturating the consciousness of Germans during the Third Reich, and contributing to the capacity of many Germans to accept the Nazi program. These drawings often ended with the statement, the Jew is armist fortune, and without a solution to the Jewish question,
Starting point is 00:51:45 there is no salvation for mankind. Now, I'm going to have Sophie show you one of these cartoons, and we're not going to post any of this shit on the internet because by God, there's enough of it. But like what's going on in this cartoon you're looking at, it shows like a Jewish butcher with his wife behind him, they are both drawn uncharitably, and he is putting rats in an organ grinder in order to make meat to sell to Christians,
Starting point is 00:52:09 right? Specifically, sort of conspiracy theories against Jewish butchers are a big part of the thing that a striker is pushing because it makes people feel like they're personally threatened. You know, it's a way to kind of force them out of society. So I know. Yeah, it's, you can see sort of like the visual shorthand that he's developing here. It's really like the archetypal anti-Semitic style, if you like.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Yeah, all of the modern sort of racist caricatures in this vein are descendants of Fips' drawings. Pretty common. Everybody wants to hide in knowledge, right? Right. Yeah, exactly. But you know, the only way to get hidden knowledge, Jake. Buying something. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah, exactly. When you purchase something that you don't want, it creates a Gnostic Info path in which, you know, the Dem which the demayage will beam a secret truth into your head because you've subscribed to Blue Aprons Mealbox Plan.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Everyone's saying it. Everyone's saying it. Sacred Skando, one of the best new podcasts of 2022, is back with a closer look at the darkness surrounding mega-church La Luz del Mundo and its leader, Nasson Joaquin Garcia. They believe that he was Jesus Christ on Earth. It wasn't even so much that he liked sex. He wanted something to pray. It's the largest cult in the world that no one has ever heard of.
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Starting point is 00:54:24 And a killer who is still on the loose. My small town rocked by murder. There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss. In the 1980s, we're in high school losing friends, teachers, and community members. One after another, after another for a decade. We weren't safe anywhere. We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes. Would we be next?
Starting point is 00:54:47 Who is killing all the kids? And why? In that moment, I saw rage. And why do some want the town's secrets to stay dead and buried forever? I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't warn you, Nancy. Listen to the Murder Years on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Hey, what's up, y'all? This is Eric Andreik, but I made a podcast called Bomming about absolutely tanking on stage. I'm talking about your most man her role experience as a performer. I tell gnarly stories and I talk to friends about the worst moments of bombing in all sorts of ways. Bombing on stage, bombing in public, bombing in life. Like the time I stole a girl's phone during a set and she dumped on stage and threw
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Starting point is 00:56:20 So good stuff here. So yeah, by 1933, Derstner is among the most popular newspapers in Germany. There's more than half a million sales each month. You know, they're doing great. Hitler's in power. And he holds a big celebration rally in Nuremberg, which is against striker's city, right? That's where the base of his power has always been. The early years of political legitimacy, you know, because the 30s before
Starting point is 00:56:46 Hitler kind of is made chancellor, the early 30s is when they're starting to get into the Reichstag and whatnot. This has been good for not just striker, but other Nazi bigwigs. And they started to get both rich and like literally physically overweight, right? Because they're not fighting in the streets so much, they've all gotten older, and now they have money for like nice food and alcohol. And I bring this up because, so you look at like iconic footage of Nazi rallies. Have you noticed that a lot of them are at night, right? These big torch lit rallies? I had always assumed that like, that was just because, oh, torches are like impressive visually.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Like it makes it look kind of like more serious and whatnot. But the reason why this first big Nuremberg rally is done like in Torchlet style is because Hitler's like angry at the fact that all of his old fighters have gotten fat and he doesn't want their bellies to show. So he's like, we got it. We got to do this at night. So we don't, nobody sees. We don't want him to look at her and be garing.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Yeah. That's fucking hilarious. It's really, it's kind of funny if you can, you know, not think about what comes later a little bit, but yeah. Yeah. So while most of the old fighters straight away took offices in Germany and set to work dismantling, Viarmar, Striker remains at his paper, right?
Starting point is 00:58:07 He doesn't a lot, basically all of the other guys who had been that tight with Hitler for that long, get jobs in the government. Even if that job, they're not really doing anything. It's just sort of like, well, now you can get money and like take bribes and stuff. They get gigs in the state. Striker doesn't do the, and I think it's probably because Hitler and everyone knows, I know you like this guy, we'll take care of him, but he can't work in the government. He's just not that kind of person.
Starting point is 00:58:34 He's not able to function within a bureaucracy. He's a useful propagandist, but he's just too thorny to function in a system like that. So they give him the sort of like the prize that they give him that allows him to exist outside of the state apparatus is he's made Gowliter for Frankonia, which is the region that Nuremberg is in. And Gowliter is a party position. So it's not part of the government. It's part of the Nazi party.
Starting point is 00:59:00 And it's effectively like the head of a state party, right? Like you think about Gowlite. Gowlite, she's wrong with Germans. I know, it's nonsense, nonsense language. And hey, I don't feel any better about France coming for you next when we do the Napoleon episodes. They've already surrendered. So Gowlite is like, yeah, you think about like in the United States, you've got like the
Starting point is 00:59:24 Republican party of Texas or the Democratic party of Wyoming or whatever. They're going to have like a person who is running the party for that state. That's what the Galiter is. But because the Nazis have taken control of the state and are sort of in the process, 33, 34, 35 of like eating the state apparatus, being the head of the party for Frankonia puts him in functional control over the government of the region, but he's not actually responsible for anything. So he can step in anywhere, he can tell the mayor what to do, he can tell the governor what to do, he can like, you know, force his will anywhere in Frankonia he wants, but
Starting point is 00:59:59 he also doesn't have to do anything. So he's not like managing the sewers, but if there's a way for him to like get money out of like the sewers, he could do that, you know. It's kind of a perfect position for a gangster type dude to be in, right? Because you don't actually have to accomplish anything for people, but you can take advantage whenever it sort of occurs to you how you can do that. It's a sweet gig. But as bite work explains, yeah, exactly. But as his biographer, bite work explains, even this sweetheart gig is not something that Julie is as well suited to handle. Just as he had been a poor soldier off the battlefield and a good one on it, he was better
Starting point is 01:00:38 at fighting for political power than he was at using it. Indeed, the almost absolute power of a galleiter of the Third Reich exacerbated the flaws in his personality. He could not tolerate the orders of others, nor would he tolerate disobedience on the path of his subordinates. And Randall goes on to cite the analysis of a historian named Edward Preston, which I find interesting, if slightly questionable and phrasing. Probably more so than any of his peers, Stryker combined the elements of a dictator who would brook no opposition with those of the anarchist, the lover of chaos, who would accept no orders from superiors. This inability to fit into an organization even as own
Starting point is 01:01:15 was his greatest weakness as Galiter. His lack of control made him enemies above, such as Garing and Himmler, who drove honorable men out of his organization below, leaving miserable totes who had to crawl at his feet. There was constant turmoil in Franconia because there was constant turmoil in Stryker. So he's given this gig, which is like his reward for being loyal, but he's like batting, he's fucking up.
Starting point is 01:01:38 He's not just bad at it, but he's like fucking up the ability of the government to function. In this, this is a pretty crucial period for the Nazis, really, especially 33 to 36. Or so, they're not, it's not guaranteed that they're going to hold on to absolute power. The military doesn't really like them. They're in the process of replacing the police, right? There's still a chance that they could get like pushed out at this stage. So they don't want a guy like Stryker just like fucking around in the local government and being incompetent, it's like bad for them, you know?
Starting point is 01:02:11 Yeah, they don't want a live wire at the time of everyone needing to play ball. Exactly, exactly. This is like a really critical period and it's recognized that he's a very reliable propagandist. He's not reliable here. So, the big reason why he gets into trouble then is not that he's a gangster because they all are.
Starting point is 01:02:33 It's that he's bad at being a gangster. After he chases his nemesis, the mayor, out of the job, out of the job, he replaces him with a totey, like a guy who's supposed to suck up to him, but that guy isn't very good at his job and also doesn't work with Striker well because basically no one does. And the police chiefs that Himmler appoints in Frankonia,
Starting point is 01:02:56 they also hate Striker because he's like super corrupt and is constantly breaking even like the minimal laws they're trying to enforce. So over and over again, striker will get, you know, in trouble with somebody for like fucking up something critical in the state. And Nazi functionaries will write complaints to Hitler and Hitler will intervene again and again, this happens a bunch in the mid thirties. Like Nazis trying to force strike out as Galiter and Hitler being like, nah man, he's my boy, nah he's my boy. Like, I know he's bad at this, but like fuck you, he's my guy.
Starting point is 01:03:30 And again, while this is going on, Nuremberg is a big city for Hitler. He visits there regularly. He doesn't like to see Stryker. There's like a bunch of cases where who show up in Nuremberg for an event and he'll kind of like have like an advanced team go just to like warn him where Strykerker is so he doesn't have to like hang out with him.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Like he really is so damn like him. He can't see me. Yeah, don't let that dick can see me, but also it's known. This is not just something that like was propaganda. People who knew and spent time around Hitler said that like, dare sturmer is the only thing Hitler reads cover to cover. Like every issue, this guy's reading it, you know? So when we look at Striker living under Nazi control, again, he's not, he's not this guy
Starting point is 01:04:14 of kind of like broad ranging talent. His talent is extremely focused on being a propagandist. But, you know, outside of that, he's kind of a failure in every other aspect of life. The early years of the Reich are then largely about score settling for Julius. In 1934, after the night of Long Nives, a Nuremberg school teacher was heard in a cafe, saying that strikers should have been among the victims. When word got back to Julius, someone reports this teacher, he has the man arrested, and
Starting point is 01:04:43 then he shows up in this teacher's cell with two other Nazis armed with whips, and they beat this guy half to death with them. As they leave the cell, Julius is heard to say, I needed that. Now I feel released. Like, you know, and I think this is like, he's a street fighter, he's an old soldier.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Like, I'm gonna use my, part of what he is using his power on now that he is in political power is to like go beat the shit out of people whenever he wants to like deal with his stress. Yeah, because he's, you know, he's a big bully too. Maybe we have, like, glossed over that. But yeah. Yeah, I think that's like at the center of a lot of these ideologies is, like, just suppressed
Starting point is 01:05:20 bullies or bullies in a position where, you know, they can't do it for a bit or whatever. Yeah, it's just like... I mean, obviously, you think about who wants to be a Nazi? Well, assholes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. You're the way you're living, so I want to crush you. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Yeah. We shouldn't be surprised that Julius Striker uses his power to beat whoever he wants with a fucking whip. That's not a... Obviously, Heinrich Heinrich Himmler or whatever, isn't going to go after him for whipping some random teacher. But where Striker causes problems is, so, one of the first things he does when the Nazis take power is he helps to organize an anti-Jewish boycott through his paper, which is really successful. You know, and while it's actually kind of a mixed bag, but it's successful in making Nuremberg seen
Starting point is 01:06:09 as the center of Nazi racial jurisprudence. Because Striker is the guy who's writing all of these theories out. Now that they're sort of in power, he doesn't need to like spread conspiracies about the Jews as much as he needs to make specific suggestions for how German law should deal with them. And this feeds into the fact that in September of 1935, at a Nuremberg rally, Hitler announces a new set of laws restricting the behavior of Jewish Germans known as the Nuremberg laws. Among other things, these legally banned sexual relations between German Jews and German non-Jews. Now, Striker was not a part of writing these laws, any reading, anything you ever read
Starting point is 01:06:50 about the Holocaust, any documentary about the Holocaust, we'll talk about the Nuremberg laws. They are extremely important in the advancing sort of assembly of the apparatus that becomes the Holocaust. Striker gets credit for these laws. He has no role in them, actually, like, because again, you're not going to bring in this dude to help you write laws, but because he was kind of the most known anti-Semite in the Nazi party, and because Nuremberg is his city, he gets credit for this thing that he doesn't
Starting point is 01:07:18 actually really make. I mean, obviously, he does support them. But he also, like, part of why he's not going to get to write these laws that he gets credit for, is that these laws are written by the Nazi intellectuals that we talked about who don't believe the exact same things that he does. Like, among other things, Stryker believes that, Stryker has these, like, weird mishmash of different sort of conspiratorial, or in a different sort of, like, some kind of magical beliefs about the Jews, and where they came from,
Starting point is 01:07:49 and all of this weird stuff that reaches back to like, aereosophy and stuff like that, Helena Blavatsky, kind of shit, we talk about all this stuff. And some of that is common among the Nazi intelligentsia, but like, strikers version of it is considered kind of gutter. And so it's interesting, he gets kind of the last laugh here because these guys who hate him because they consider him low class are the ones who write the Nuremberg laws, but striker kind of
Starting point is 01:08:16 gets credit for it. And in fact, after Hitler announces the Nuremberg laws, like during his speech, there are a chance of hail striker that break out on the crowd because so many people give him credit for this stuff. Interesting side note. Under the New York book kind of plan in this seed without actually doing the thing. Such a good job that he gets credit for it
Starting point is 01:08:39 over these people who are pretty pissed that like he's the one who gets credit for their racism. Yeah. I'm not even credit for their racism. Yeah. I'm not even being pissed about that. Yeah. He's not being racist. No, he's not being racist right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Under the new third Reich, Der Sturmer expanded its uvra into publishing children's books. Like the 1936 text, trust no fox on the green meadow and no Jew on his oath Not as good a title as like I don't know hop on pop But yeah, that's a not as good as anti-Semitism daily Anti-Semitic letters. Yeah This book is written by Elvira Bauer who is an 18-year-old art student and kindergarten teacher and is illustrated by FIPS, Kenyan University Rites. Children as young as six would be prop of gandies to recognize the Jew as distinct from the area in German
Starting point is 01:09:32 as crafty and exploitative, untrustworthy, greedy, money hoarding, physically repulsive and sexually predatory. The school child would be indoctrinated with old anti-Semitic tropes and canards from an early age. German youth would learn not only to recognize these repulsive descriptions of Jews, but as well the importance of standing together as a nation to remove the Jew as a threat.
Starting point is 01:09:50 Der Sturmur constantly reminded Germans that, the Jews are armist fortune, and Jewry and its malignant influence had to be destroyed. So again, through all the issues, the first five years of Nazi power are broadly speaking a good time for him. But in 1938, he steps out of line again. And the cause here is crystal knocked happens, right? So you get this big night of writing across Germany, bunch of synagogues are burnt down, much of Jewish businesses are like robbed. The win those.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Yeah, breaking the win, it's the night of broken glass, right? And Striker uses this as an excuse, kind of in the wake of this, to buy up millions of dollars of a Jewish property at forced sale prices, where it's basically like, hey, seeing what's happening to all these other Jewish-owned businesses, your shop can either get burnt down, or you can sell it to me at like 5% of its actual value, right? Now, the Nazi don't have an issue with this as a thing. In fact, this is what they are all doing. But the problem is that Striker is not going within the party apparatus.
Starting point is 01:10:53 He's just doing this at wherever he thinks there's a profit. And Harman Garing is the guy who's supposed to be doing all this, like buying all these businesses for nothing. So when Striker does this, he kind of steps on Garing's toes. And so the two men are wind up in conflict over this, and that conflict gets stoked by some of Striker's other enemies within the Nazi party apparatus. One of these guys is the local police president
Starting point is 01:11:17 who goes to Garing and is like, hey man, look, you and I are buds. I just wanna let you know, Striker's telling people your dick doesn't work. Like you say in that like your wife got artificially inseminated because like you can't come anymore. I just want you to know, bro, like I'm not saying that.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Jules is saying that, you know? Jules. He is so petty, right? He is like, yeah, he got him. So this pisses off Herman Garing. Who launches a commission? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Who launches a commission to investigate Striker and of course finds a lot of examples
Starting point is 01:11:55 of outrageous corruption. And obviously Herman Garing is Herman Garing. I don't trust that this was a good investigation, but Striker is outrageously corrupt. So it's probably not hard. And like, it's so fucked up. Like, one of the things they're doing, there's like a fucking paparazzi element to this where like, Striker is constantly cheating on his wife, right? He's got all these mistresses, he's visiting prostitutes. So a big part of what they're doing is they're just like having photographers ambush him while he's like naked fucking people would like take photos and stuff of him. Yeah, that's like a bunch of this
Starting point is 01:12:28 paparazzi, but like right there So Garing's investigation comes up with both a bunch of photos of striker morally sort of being and one of Most of the Nazis are like this right? Hermann Garing is like this, right? Like he is a he is, a decadent motherfucker. But Hitler's actually not. Hitler's like weird and repressed and kind of grossed out
Starting point is 01:12:51 by this sort of behavior. Yeah. So, even though they're all doing it, if you can make the case to Hitler that like, this guy's a degenerate, Hitler will get kind of pissed off as Rizalman Vennas. So that's like the hope that's why they're going after him this way.
Starting point is 01:13:07 So, this force is a wider investigation, you know, Gareng's investigation. And so it now becomes a matter for the Nazi courts. And the Nazi courts call up strikers assistant, a guy named Hans Canig to testify against him. And it does say as much of an asshole as striker is to most people who works with canig is as loyal as you can be because when he gets subpoenaed basically he goes to striker and he's like, they're going to make me, they're going to question me on the stand about you. And striker's like, you should kill yourself, bro. So then the way to get out of this. And canig does it. Canig kills himself to protect striker. What? Yeah, he's like, yes sir, take him the order. I guess.
Starting point is 01:13:48 I guess this is how I'm doing it. Yeah. What the fuck was going on in Germany, man? Man, people are, you got a note with all of this happening that like, you can buy heroin over the counter. There's like, methamphetamine everywhere. Maybe that, maybe that, maybe that, also everyone's drinking all, I don't know, maybe that plays a role. All the head injuries from the war. Who knows, you know?
Starting point is 01:14:09 It's a real wild time though. It's fucking nuts. Yeah. Like obviously everything else that happened after was wild and fucked up and crazy, but it really didn't spring from nothing. No, no, it's a, it's quite a, quite a period. And yeah, so fucking canig offs himself, which winds up protecting a striker. Now the commission still finishes its report, its investigation on him. And what they uncovered provides us with a pretty interesting lens into the early ground reality of Nazi corruption. And I'm going to quote from the book Julius Striker here.
Starting point is 01:14:42 The commission even investigated Striker's sexual life, greatly aided by the cooperation of a nervous mistress, announcing that no proper man would wear a wedding ring, Striker had collected those of his underlings to melt down into a jewelry box for his mistress, Annie Sites, who also received a regular salary for very limited duties from Striker's, one of his newspapers.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Other mistresses, too, received paychecks from surprising sources. A country house with a well-equipped bedroom has been built, had been built for strikers affairs. Further cases of the beatings of political opponents were uncovered, as were strikers detailed examinations of the sex lives of arrested juvenile delinquents and his boasts in the presence of young people
Starting point is 01:15:20 of sexual prowess. So he's doing shit like he's having all the people who work with him given his wedding rings so he can like melt them down to give a present to his mistress. He's like, whenever juvenile delinquents are arrested, he's like showing up to like sexually harass and sometimes assault them like sort of fucking weird real weird piece of shit. Um, so again, a lot of Nazis are doing stuff like this. Striker's just really bad at covering it up, but still Hitler fights back against these
Starting point is 01:15:51 attempts from the other Nazis to use this as a justification to remove him from power. And he continues to back Striker for another year until the German invasion of Poland. And what finally gets Julius in trouble with Hitler is really dumb. Basically, the invasion of Poland, again, we forget this because of everything, it's kind of unpopular, even in Germany at the time, right? Like it's kind of a dicey move. It's a gamble. Hitler's a gambler. It's a gamble to invade Poland because people aren't fully on board with doing another world war at this stage. While he's trying to build support for Hitler's invasion of Poland, Striker kind of goes off a little bit on a limb and he makes some comments
Starting point is 01:16:31 critiquing the leadership of the Varmacht, which Hitler absolutely needs the army's support. And so when Striker fucks up and makes the army angry, Hitler has to ban Striker from giving public speeches in order to keep the army on his side. This sort of forces another investigation against striker, which reveals a bunch more corruption, and in 1940, Hitler finally agrees to remove Julius from his official position as Gowliter. Sort of. He doesn't, Hitler can't have him in control anymore, but he doesn't want to like publicly insult him. So in public, striker is still named the gaulditer, but he is privately another person is picked
Starting point is 01:17:11 to do the job and striker is banned from leaving his home, right? He's not allowed to go to Nuremberg anymore. He's basically on like house arrest, but he's still allowed to publish darestirmers. It's this weird back and forth Hitler has with him where it's like, you are under house arrest. I will cross a kit, you if you go to Nuremberg, but also while the war is going on, I'm going to send you like precious supplies of fuel and paper in order to keep making darestermer. Um, right.
Starting point is 01:17:36 He just needs that, but he doesn't need to be lunatic behind it. I'm certainly not just in here, what I'm going to say, that Trump is like Hitler or anything like that, but it's in a way, it reminds me slightly of like banning and Trump, like, when you need this rabble rouser and then it was like, oh, for fuck's sake, he's going too far, what the fuck can we do with him, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things, like, they're both authoritarian guys. Like, obviously, Trump hasn't killed tens of millions of people. Real big difference there.
Starting point is 01:18:08 But there's similar personality things, right? And there's including, as you, I think pretty astutely noted, Bannon's super talented propagandist was terrible at being involved in politics directly. Right? And immediately got in, yeah, these kind of guys come up and down
Starting point is 01:18:26 in history, you know, like, yeah, it's just, that's just the way it goes. So yeah, oddly enough, firing striker in this way is one of the few things Adolf Hitler ever felt guilty about. Like this kind of gnaws at his heart. There's like a revertio. Yeah, quote from him during a private dinner in 1942, where he's like lamenting, this triker affair is a tragedy. Stryker is irreplaceable. There's no question of his coming back, but I must do him justice. If one day I write my memoirs, I shall have to recognize this man fought like a buffalo in our cause. I can't help thinking that in comparison with so many services, the reasons for strikers dismissal are really very slender.
Starting point is 01:19:09 But it's so, as a guy, he's a real piece of shabby and he's literally Hitler, but he's got this like, he's like morally harmed by the fact that he feels like he's not doing right by striker. Like, it's so strange. I'm about evil that someone can feel bad about like firing this fucking lunatic that he didn't even like. And they're not feel bad about literally massacre in six million people. Yeah, anything else. But, it is so, because I think it is that for all of his numerous flaws, you know, as other Nazis saw them, striker was right or die for Hitler. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And someone with an ego like Hitler's, that means so much. That means everything to him. Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 01:19:58 obviously it's important in anyone's life, but for someone like that, when they do an evil shit, you need that person. Yeah. You need that fucking dude who like, like, you know, Striker had this guy who was willing to kill himself or am I think Striker would have done that for Hitler? Like, he was able to be kind of selfless when it came to backing Hitler. This is the only place he was able to do that in his life because he's otherwise real piece of shit. But he had that to him. Yeah, interesting. It's, it's so, it, things like that just so fascinating to me, like the psyche of, you know, like pure evil, like, and it's compartmentalized.
Starting point is 01:20:33 We didn't these people's heads, like it's fascinating. There's a lot there just about the humanity. And I don't mean this in a, like, we need to be sympathetic toward Adolf Hitler. But the humanity of him in that, he is a man who is capable of having something nod at his conscience, but also like the thing that Nausea is conscience is that he wasn't nice enough to a giant piece of shit. Right, right. Yeah. It's, I don't know how you work it out. There's nothing to say. It's just like a thing. Like, I think it's, if you actually,
Starting point is 01:21:06 if you actually want to understand these people, not just as like historical figures, but as like people, this is a thing. It's an interesting aspect of that. Absolutely. If you don't understand where this is coming from, it will happen again. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:21:22 And it also like these people, someone, we often say like, oh, this person's a monster, right? And you use it to kind of treat them like a force of almost like magic, like an ill wind. And it's like, no, Hitler was a person, Streker was a person. They had, you know, part of what you have to understand here
Starting point is 01:21:38 that I'm sure is like an aspect of how they both feel the way they do is this like feeling of like trench loyalty to a fellow soldier, you know? Yes. And yeah, anyway. So, World War II, not great for the darestirmer as a profitable organization.
Starting point is 01:21:57 For one thing, paper, fuel, all gets harder to find. It's more difficult to publish newsletters. Most people in this period are actually gonna be reading darestirmer, not by buying a copy, but because in every town in Germany, they'll put up these big ground level billboard type things where every new issue will be put under glass or something so you can see each page and presented that way. So people in town can just walk up to it to read that week's issue of darestirmer.
Starting point is 01:22:29 Like that's how a lot of it gets handed out because like for free. Yeah, for free because they're showing it kind of yeah, because you can't you can't make as much as many paper copies for one thing right. It's just not possible with the reality of the war. So obviously darestirmer becomes less profitable. It also people are less interested in it during World War II. Striker had built his base of readers through sexual titillation and blood and guts and fear mongering about the Jews. That's the core of it, right? And by the time World War II starts, there are not Jews publicly in German society, right? That's like the Holocaust, you know?
Starting point is 01:23:04 And so there's nothing for him to fear monger about, right? That's like the Holocaust, you know? And so there's nothing for him to fear Manga about, right? What are you going to do? Like how are you going to do the thing that you were doing? They've been removed, right? And he's not ever able to really figure that out. So, there's thermostase working during World War II, but it kind of, it's public interest and it sort of falls through the floor. And in early 1945, Julius requests permission from Hitler to basically, I want to, you know, everything's falling apart, please let me go to the front and like fight. And Hitler gives him permission, but Stryker doesn't wind up doing that. Instead, he's just married his secretary after his wife died, who he'd been cheating with
Starting point is 01:23:45 on his wife for a long time. And right before the war ends, they flee to Berkdisgotton, which is where Hitler had like, it's this nice little mountain town where Hitler had his like summer home. And they kind of just like move there with the plan of like writing it out as long as they can and then killing themselves.
Starting point is 01:24:05 So while they're in hiding, American GIs, you know, capture Nirenberg and whatnot, and they find Stryker's house. And as they're going, this is a thing, all of these Nazis, right? You know, Herman Garing's big palace gets like gone through by soldiers, so does like Hitler's place in Berk, Disgaden. They find all of the different like art these guys had collected. And when it comes to Striker, you know, these other big Nazis, they had stolen like very valuable works of art.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Inside Striker's home, they find what might have been the largest stockpile of pornography in the world at the time. Um, are you surprised? No, no, no, I just roomed the porn. And what he done is for years, as Galator, Striker had collected using the police, every piece of pornography produced in the city that he could get his hands on,
Starting point is 01:24:54 he claimed building a library to study the Jewish plot to destroy area masculinity. That's why I need more porn than any man has ever had. Yeah, right. One minute there, I'm just in the office studying. I'm studying. That's why I need more porn than any man has ever had. One minute there, I'm just in the office studying. I'm studying. I'm going to study so hard tonight. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's funny to think of, but at the same time, it's not a tool surprising from this way, right? No, not at all. So, on May 23rd, 1945, the Americans are in Berk, this garden, there's the, you know, they're looking for all of these Nazi big wigs, right? And striker is on the list. He's gotten missing. So like officers are getting handed these lists being like, be on the lookout for this dude, we, we want to talk to this Nazi.
Starting point is 01:25:42 And there's this American Jewish major, right? He's a Jewish American who's an army major. His last name is Plitt. And he's walking around town one day in Berkdis-Gaden, and he sees Striker and his mistress. And Plitt doesn't think that he's Striker. And instead, it's just like, hey man, you look a lot like this escaped Nazi.
Starting point is 01:26:00 Has anyone ever told you that, right? Like he's just being kind of casual about it. But he does it in like German, and he's not whatever told you that, right? Like he's just being kind of casual about it. But he does it in like German, and he's not great at speaking German, right? Cause he's an American. And so striker, because the dude's German is broken, thinks this guy is saying, you are the escaped Nazi, Julius striker,
Starting point is 01:26:17 and hands himself in, right? He's like, you got me. And then the major's like, wait, really? For real? What? Are you actually that guy? Yeah. So, you know, the language barrier captured us
Starting point is 01:26:32 at least one Nazi. There you go. Right. Now, Striker gets arrested. If you go and read, and if you're googling a lot of stories about Striker, you will wind up on a bunch of Nazi websites because they are livid that he gets some,
Starting point is 01:26:48 they call it torture, which I guess you could, it's not not torture. Basically, what happens is when he gets arrested, this is a thing that happens to a number of arrested Nazis, a couple of like Jewish soldiers and black soldiers, just beat the shit out of them, right? Just absolutely. Too bad, too fucking bad. Too fucking, but right, like, I'm not worried about this.
Starting point is 01:27:09 This is not, this doesn't tweak my heart, but Nazis get really angry about the fact that the Allies tortured this guy, or it's like, yeah, I don't know, man. One thing that we know happens is that, um, US troops start circulating a picture of him after he got the hell beaten out of him that has a sign that says Julia Striker King of Jews Yeah Yeah, so he's had this had his shit kicked in yeah, he gets a little he gets more of his come-up and then like most Nazis, right? So he goes on you know, he's captured he's there's like a year or so where he's like, you know, in custody and everyone's trying to figure out how to do the Nuremberg trials because that's a whole process.
Starting point is 01:27:51 And while he's being interrogated, while this court trial is going on, Striker, he kind of like, he has a couple of weird periods. There's like one period of time where he starts, because this is, if you remember, you know, your history right after World War II, a number of these Jewish militias that had existed in Palestine start like fighting, you know, more openly, right? And he hears about this. And he starts making speeches about how now, you know, if you'll let me go, I'll go to Palestine to fight on behalf of these Jewish militias because unlike the Germans, they're willing to fight for their homeland or whatever, right?
Starting point is 01:28:29 It's very weird. Like, I think he's just like fucking with people, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's trolling, right? Like that is the guy this is. Like he knows this will get attention. He wants to troll people. He makes a claim at one point that like, I met this Jewish American soldier who treated
Starting point is 01:28:44 me well and it proved to me that there's good Jews, but then he also writes like a final like big anti-Semitic rant that's his like political statement about how everything's the fault He's just like trolling people right like we don't need to get into it. I mean in prison. Yeah. He's gonna say that shit. Yeah, exactly So they have this big international military tribunal striker and garing or kind of like two of the bigger Nazis there. There's some like generals and whatnot. And the indictment of striker concludes that he was like not directly involved in the
Starting point is 01:29:18 physical commission of the Holocaust, right? Not or at least not in a way that's like similar to, you know, the people who are running out schwits or whatever, right? But they note, and I think this is a really interesting and valuable thing that the Nuremberg trial does, that while he was not a part of the state and he was not organizing death camps, his propaganda was consciously preparing the way for genocide, right? That his had been part of his goal and that he was thus partly responsible for Nazi crimes against humanity. There's a line in here, basically like within sort
Starting point is 01:29:54 of the kind of indictments against him, there's this sort of a line that quote, the effects of this man's crime of the poison that he has poured into the minds of millions of young boys and girls goes on, where he concentrated upon the youth and childhood of Germany. He leaves behind him a legacy of almost a whole people poisoned with hate, sadism, and murder, and perverted by him, that people remain a problem and perhaps a minis to the rest of civilization for generations to come. So yeah, that is the accurate conclusion of the Nuremberg Commission. He has sentenced to death. Yeah, yeah. Very, I mean, in many ways, I think his legacy is a lot more dangerous than someone dealing out violence at the time, not to say they're any, you know, absolutely. They've come as well. But you know what I mean? His legacy is definitely lasted.
Starting point is 01:30:45 Yeah. I mean, you think about like a couple of years ago in the US, we had the Tree of Life synagogue shooting, right? This guy Robert Bowers walks and shoots 11 people. He bred, you can find like quotes of him basically sharing evolutions of Striker propaganda. There's a direct line between the two, right? He's, Striker's still killing people, you know?
Starting point is 01:31:02 Yeah, exactly my point. Yeah. So it's pretty cool that on October 16th, 1946, Striker's still killing people, you know? Yeah, yeah. Exactly my point. Yeah. So it's pretty cool that on October 16th, 1946, the United States had a mostly illiterate con man who pretended to be a skilled executioner, hang Striker on the gallows at Nuremberg and really fuck it up. It's a bad execution. This guy did not know what he was doing.
Starting point is 01:31:24 He gets caught by a guy who has broken German and then gets by a guy who's, you know, bad at hanging people. Yeah. Right. It has like this loony tunes death. All this much. Yeah. Yeah. The American people helping to punish the Nazis through incompetence. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. We know we were doing, but we got him in the end. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:49 Yeah. It's like, luckily he felt like a lot of pain before death just from American incompetence before it works. Yeah. God willing. Yeah. All right. That's the story of Julius Striker.
Starting point is 01:32:00 Jake, how are you feeling? Yeah. It's very fascinating, man. I'm really, really interested in that. I was particularly like, I've read, um, Oh God, what's anyway, the book about like the lead up to World War Two. And I don't remember this guy. I'm sure it was in it.
Starting point is 01:32:15 It was a long time ago, but it's really interesting this kind of stuff. And it really sadly shows that it's not really going anywhere and hasn't really gone anywhere in some ways, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's pretty cool. If you're interested in Julia's track, I'd really do recommend people. The book, Julia Strike, called by Randall Bitwork, really good book, really good historiography of this guy talks in much more detail about his propaganda. Jake, where can people find you?
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Starting point is 01:33:52 It's hard out there, so. But yeah, I'll get this over. And yeah. Yeah. All right. And that brings me back to Blue Apron. God damn it. Anyway, everybody. Hello, fresh.
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