Behind the Bastards - Part Two: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Robert and Wil discuss the east coast / west coast rap war that Diddy helped orchestrate, as well as just, an awful lot of sex crimes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Call zone media. Oh, hear ye, hear ye. The court of bastards is now in session. The honorable Judge Robert Evans presiding. And that's not a bit. It's not. I'm making an announcement here. Well, I don't think I told you this yet.

I have been sworn in as a judge. I am legally a United States municipal judge for the state of New Mexico. This is not a bit. This is not a bit. It's not a bit. This is not a bit. It's not a bit, and he's brought it up.

I think he's told me this same piece of information 500 times. I have the paperwork. I am now legally the honorable Robert Evans for the rest of my life. I can marry people, not just officiate like some of you folks. I can witness documents.

I could hear cases. I don't think anyone's gonna give me any, but I am a judge now in New Mexico. And you know. How does one become a judge in New Mexico? You get sworn in by another judge. It works actually. I've just-

No, but like how did you, do you just, you had to like call them and like, was there an online application? Let's call them a fan. I mean, definitely they are a fan. A wonderful person whose name I'm not going to use in this. And they were like, hey bro, did you know that it's no work to become a judge?

You know, it's incredibly easy. Well, it's apparently, I didn't know this either, becoming a judge works exactly like being a vampire and interview with a vampire. You can't come in if somebody invites you. More than, you can get made a judge by like a bigger judge, but you cannot necessarily make other people judges, right? You have to drink a certain amount of blood.

Yeah, you gotta keep the pyramid at a certain angle or else it gets too wide Again, if I'm remembering interview with a vampire, right? I am now going to live in France and then burn down a theater take on an eight-year-old child Do the whole I'm very confused about what what she was in that movie You gotta try the new TV show well, it's it's wonderful Oh is it I kind of I saw that it existed But I kind of put it in the same like you know when they made the the Archie comic into a yeah

Drama, yeah, what's it called Riverdale? Like I kind of so bad I kind of assumed it was something like that where they just like or like the Fresh Prince they turn that into a fucking drama or whatever No, no, no, it was like something like that Where it was just like real teeny like as a Buffy the vampire type shit No, I can confidently say as a United States judge. Oh my god. That show is good. I have that power I'm gonna go do a blood meridian after this. Call me the judge Use my own urine to make gunpowder. It's gonna be incredible folks amazing I'm gonna go do a blood meridian after this. Jesus Christ. Call me the judge.

Use my own urine to make gunpowder. It's gonna be incredible, folks. Amazing. But my first act as judge is to sit down with my buddy, the Grammy Award winning Greasy Will, and judge P. Diddy. And this will be legally binding. Whatever I say, the courts have to do if I understand being a judge right,

and I don't think I do. Can I be the middle of the defense and the prosecutor? Like, I don't know, I wanna be both. Can I be both? Yeah, you could absolutely be both. Yeah, yeah, whatever is funnier in the moment. A guest of Behind the Bastards, like primary responsibility is to be a bit

of both of these things, like cheering you on for your incredible journalistic integrity and also correcting your bad pronunciation of British words. you on for your incredible journalistic integrity and also correcting your pronunciation. My pronunciation? Jordache? I honestly forget what we were saying. Jodeci? I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. Not my job as a judge to know how to pronounce R&B duos. Jorda-K? Jordic? Jordic? Jordic-o? You know what? I sentence you to come up with a different fucking name I'm glad this intro was fun because what we're going to talk about after this cold open not fun at all

We want to speak out and we want this to stop Wow very powerful I'm Ellie Flynn an investigative journalist and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry I really wanted to be a playboy my dog doll. He was like, I'll take you to the top, I'll make you a star. To expose an alleged predator and the rotten industry he works in. It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated. We're an army in comparison to him. From Novel, listen to The Bunny Trap on the iHeart Radio app,

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Oh, chat! This year we have had some of our favorite people on, including Kid Fury, T.S. Madison, Amber Ruffin from the Amber and Lacey show, Angelica Ross, and more. Make sure you listen to the BlackFatFem podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Have a podcast or whatever you get your podcast, girl. Oh, I know that's right. We're back and things are about to get horrible. So, 1991, the same year that he got all of those fucking people killed, is the year in which Joy J.O.I. Dickerson Neal, one of those hyphenated last names, claims that Sean drugged and raped her.

Ooh. Yes. Yeah, I know, sorry. There was no way to like- You just came out swinging for the fences, like. That's why I opened with something fun. Feel the dreams, this bitch. Yeah. Cause it's gonna get, it's just, it's,

I mean, this is gonna be horrible, folks. Oh, sorry, what year was this now? 91, the same year he got nine people killed in a crush. Okay. So this is the earliest, I don't know that this is gonna be horrible, folks. Oh, sorry, what year was this now? This was 1991. The same year he got nine people killed in a crush. Okay. So this is the earliest, I don't know that this is the first person that Sean drugs and assaults or assaults, period, but this is the earliest allegation so far against Diddy.

That may have changed by the time these episodes drop. Shit is coming out rapidly. Every day. It is one of the most serious. She was a college student at the time. Sean was an up and coming music producer who hosted legendary parties He put her in one of his music videos and then while they were doing that he asked her out on a date Which is you know classic story classic story. Yeah. Yeah. This is why the yeah prototype

Exists this is why people know that this is a thing Yeah, is it's just the classic producer story and it's you know, it's fucked up because like obviously this is the way a lot of people Get assaulted it is also legitimately how a lot of people's careers begin. Yeah, you know like Honestly, sometimes both happen right like that's yes, which is why it's going to keep happening Is exactly that it's literally yeah, let me assault you and you get you get a job career Yeah, you can get into this fucking, you know. I mean, it's, you know, and as this progresses on, we're gonna see a lot of that where it's like,

people who go along with it, make it, and when they stop going along with it, they disappear. Right, right, yes, yes. So after dinner, Sean pushes Joy to stay out with him. She wants to go home and he's like, no, no, no, let's go. And he takes her to a recording studio. She has a to go home and he's like, no, no, no, let's go. And he takes her to a recording studio. She has a drink at some point, I think on the drive over.

And she like can't get out of the car because she's so fucked up by the time they get there. Not from the drink, but from the fact that the drink has been drugged. Obviously drugged. I'm guessing just from her description, sounds like GHB but could have been a couple of things. Pretty fast acting.

Yes, yes. In a car drive across the, you know, it's like that's not a long time. Nope, nope, nope. Combs takes her to a separate location and he sexually assaults her. He films the rape. Naturally, because why not keep evidence?

Why not keep, well, he films it to use as revenge porn against her, right? Oh yeah, so this is like, this is where he starts to get into this, the blackmail. He's doing this from the jump Yeah, yeah, yeah the Epstein if you will Yeah, exactly and Dickerson actually finds out that he's videotaped it because a male friend of hers comes to her and it's like

Hey, man I was just hanging out with Sean and he showed us a video of himself having sex with you and like you don't really look Like you're conscious, right? So that's how she finds out about it like Like he shares, he shows this to a number of people. God, that is just fucking awful. It's hideous and it's one of those things. Wait, so, so wait, so this is 91, right? 91.

Yeah. What, what, was it a camcorder? He had like a camcorder? It must've been like a camcorder. Yeah, like it was not. Like was it a hidden situation or just like- You know, you're right. Like, cause there's like an element of like decisions that he had to make.

Like he had to set this up and plan this. Like this wasn't, you know- Yeah, I mean he had to set this up, he had to plan this, he spent a lot of money. Like it's not cheap to have- Right, yeah. A camera in 91 was very expensive. You weren't just buying one cheap. That's probably a big part of, in addition to just wanting to do in the first place,

why she's drugged, right? Is so that he can set up and do all this, you know? Right. Yeah. It's not an easy process to use. It's not like now where you just push a button or whatever on your phone. You got to set this, get lighting and shit. It's like, camp quarters were not just like-

Just laying around. ... a magical device. Yeah. And it's also, I want to note now, if you're very familiar with this case, you're going to know, oh, he's not bringing up everyone. I can't. There's not enough time to talk about every single person who has made allegations. I'm going to go through enough that you understand what he does.

Yeah. Yeah. At this point, it's literally like dozens and dozens of people. Yeah. Like there's so many people that they've started filing class actions against him. It's the kind of thing where I think, and we'll never know how many people it was in total, but I would be shocked if the total number of victims, one way or the other, aren't in the hundreds.

There's different levels of victim. There's some people that it's- Astonishing. There's Genghis Khan levels of- Yeah, there's some people who are like, he coerced me, but I did say yes. There's some people who were like, I got drugged, but he didn't rape me, or I got out.

So there's like degrees of difference from how this happens. Cause there's so many people he's doing this to. And there's combinations of every single one of those things too as well. It's like, it is layers upon layers. What you know, you're talking, this is 1991. We're in 2024.

You know, this is a 30 year legacy of doing this. This is a stun and to only have allegations really, because that's the one thing is outside of the industry, his image was pretty clean. He had a few little things that was like, oh, you know. Largely the Tupac stuff. Yeah, did he kill Tupac? Or did he was involved in like,

but it wasn't really the sexual assault stuff that was big. It was all in, but it wasn't really like the sexual assault stuff that was like big, it was all like conspiracy mogul, like mob type stuff, you know, like before this point in history, you know? Right, absolutely, yeah. I mean, we knew about, or the other stuff existed and was out there, but it wasn't like that was what he was known for when it came to that.

Yeah, people wouldn't say, oh oh that guy's definitely a piece of shit Yeah, it was almost like he committed a bigger crime. Yeah Being involved in biggie into box but it's like look if you're an overshadowed if you've got a crime you want to commit You know, like maybe maybe you're looking to do a big crypto scam or something Just kill Tupac first and you'll get away with it for at least 30 years. Yeah, that's the diddy story. He might be a judge, but don't take legal advice from Robert. Um, yeah, that is not legal advice. Do not kill Tupac.

If you find Tupac, let us know. Leave him alone. No, leave him alone. He deserves, if he's really alive, he deserves to hide. Um, so in the wake of this horrible sex crime, Sean got his first big opportunity. In 1992, he scouted out and signed a rap artist named Christopher Wallace, better known to posterity

as Biggie Smalls or the Notorious B.I.G. And this is, I've just, I'm not super knowledgeable about pop culture. I love Biggie. Biggie was one of the greatest lyricists of his generation. Honestly, part of why I love him, I think he's like written better about depression and hating yourself than most people in music ever have.

Like he was great at it. He was Biggie. He was a huge man. He was fat as hell. And he knew he was fat as hell. And he said it all the time. And then at one point in his career, he acknowledged not only am I fat as hell,

but I'm sexy as hell too, because I'm rich as hell. So like, I don't give a shit about what you guys say. You know? He was so cool. And he really leaned into it. You know, it's like, you're talking about a dude whose biggest rival at the time was Tupac, who was an athletic looking guy.

You know, Tupac was ripped, you know? Like, and then Biggie's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah, I'm 400 pounds. I don't give a shit. But he was notoriously legendary. Yeah. Yeah, legendary. And he is, this is one of those guys,

we talk about a lot of guys, and especially gangster rap, really massage their reputation. Biggie didn't have to do that. He comes from a tough background. His dad abandons the family when he's three, which is interesting that both he and Diddy lose their dads at age three,

might've been part of why they got along. Bonded, yeah. He grew up near Bed-Stuy in Brooklyn, which at that point in time was a very different neighborhood than it is today. Sure, not filled with hipsters. Yeah, yeah. He was raised a Jehovah's Witness

and became a drug dealer, selling weed at age 12 and moved up to crack once that Epidemic kicked off his mother was hova's yeah, he's raised a Jehovah's Witness. His mom is at a very strict He has to hide what he's doing from her I I don't know that I've ever heard that before that is really interesting because I mean like I knew that like he was very Much there's a lot of stories even his mom told a lot of stories in the biographies they had done with of him and everything, of like him always having to like hide stuff because she was watching,

she was on top of what he was doing. But I never heard that. It also has a big influence on the kind of music he makes because his mom is very strict and the morals that he's raised with conflicts in his new career. So he always does, he has this feeling that is I think not super common for a lot of people

in the same industry, that what he's doing is bad, right? And that influences the kind of music he makes. His debut album is called Ready to Die, which includes the song, the great song, Suicidal Thoughts, which opens with the verse, when I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to to fucking tell or getting more direct towards his feelings about his mom all my life I've been considered as the worst lying to my mother even stealing out her purse crime after crime from drugs to extortion

I know my mom wish she got a fucking abortion Like yes, I love biggie. Yeah Yeah, biggie definitely was very pressing He was very like knowledgeable of himself and where he was at, you know, like he anytime, it was actually one of the things that was so fascinating about Biggie's work is that he would often talk about drug dealing as like,

as the darkness that it was. Like a lot of times like people were drug dealing, like especially now it's like this glamor position, right? And for him, it was not, it was so much more of like, this is what I had to do to survive. This is what I was doing. I fucking hate myself because of what I had to do. Yeah, I don't like that I had to do these things.

I don't like myself because I had to do these things. And this is what it's like to grow up in these situations. And it was like, it took so much of the glamor out of it. It was dark, it was twisted and it was dark. It was like, it took so much of the glamour out of it. It was dark. It was twisted and it was dark. It was like, damn, like he's really speaking about the truth of all this. You know, it was not like, look at me, I'm doing this cause I'm fucking gonna wear gold necklaces and shit.

Like he was pretty humble, even with like the braggadocious part of it, it was still kind of dark in its humility. Absolutely. I guess what we're getting at is we're both fans of Biggie. Obviously, Biggie is going to be one of the most successful rappers of all time, but initially when he's getting started, his work is seen as too explicit and too based

in his extensive life of crimes for MCA Records, who is Uptown's distributor, and that's where Sean works. And so Sean's boss, Andre Harrell, lets him go, basically fires him, although he will claim, Andre says, I didn't fire him because he was bad. Basically I said, like, look, man, you're right. This guy's gonna be a hit. The label won't go for it.

Yeah, but you can't do it here. Fucking bounce. It's time for you to succeed on your own, right? Andre later tells Wall Street Journal, I didn't wanna sit there and be the one confining Puff because the corporation was telling me to do that. I'm not built that way. I told Puff he needs to go and create his own opportunity. You're red-hot right now I'm really letting you go so you can get rich and that's exactly what fucking happened. So I mean, yeah minutes later

It's later In the world Yeah, it really did. I mean it was the perfect time for that. You know like for the most part up until Biggie and Pac you know a lot of hip-hop was more like happy type shit It was still like sometimes it was like had the darkness and WA existed obviously yeah, but like Biggie and Pac were like really some of the originators of that like Dark upbringing culture of rap where it's like look we

fucking we hustle to survive and we're doing what we got to do and like talking the real truth about what it was like to be a black man in America at the time yeah so it was like there was something really unique about that moment because it was starting to you know we're getting the crack epidemic we're getting you know like crime bill that old Biden Joe back when he was much much more wakeful Yeah, when he was not better when he was awake Right, so it's like yeah exactly like maybe he should be sleeping maybe sleep

He commits some of the biggest crimes against black America that you can imagine I have always been firmly of the stance that the water fountains in the Capitol building need to have Xanax in them. We could solve a lot of problems, lot of problems. Bring this down a little bit. Put Xanax in the water everywhere. Yeah, actually, yeah, great point. Xanax, lithium, let's just.

This is like when you're in high school and you think you can solve all the world's problems the first time you take mushrooms And you're like we need to give everyone mushrooms But actually maybe that might be maybe we really do need to put lithium in the water or something So combs started a label of his own bad boy records and it bad boy Right clink clink clink This is when you're about the East Coast, West Coast rap

feud, it's Bad Boy and Death Row over on the other side of the country. Suge Knight and Death Row. Oh, Suge Knight. Yeah. Are we going to talk a little bit of Suge Knight? Yeah. Oh, man.

Because basically Biggie becomes a massive star pretty much overnight, and that makes Bad Boy a name, and that causes immediate friction with the West Coast premier gangster rap enclave, Suge Knight's Death Row Records. If you wanna know the kind of man, we're talking about Biggie being a fucking real gangster, Suge is a real gangster. Suge-

The realest of gangsters. Later in life, will be shot at two consecutive VMA after parties. What? Yes. Oh my God, one of my favorite Suge Knight things is the vanilla ice story. Oh yeah.

That he held him off the roof of a building by his ankles. By his ankles, he held, just over some dispute, it was like, Suge was the realest of real. I think Suge didn't wanna give him the rights or sell the rights to a ice ice baby or something.

Right, yeah. He held him off the roof of a building. It's like, this is the type of dude he was. This is a little side tangent. I don't wanna go too far into it, but recently there was this TikTok thing that happened where a guy found a bunch of old Death Row tapes, two inch tapes, in a storage locker, right?

And because I'm in the TikTok zone, I saw this happen and I was like, oh, this is cool, hey, if you need any help with this, hit me up. And it turned out to be a bunch of MC Hammer, Death Row era stuff, right? And it was like, almost immediately, once that started coming out, all the comments were like,

hey man, just be careful. And it ended up going that I found the guy, the engineer that was responsible for that stuff. And I was like, hey man, I was like, this guy found all this stuff, your name's on the tapes. And he was like, I don't really want to be involved in that. Because of that era of my life was one of the most I've ever felt like in danger. Yeah. He's like, that was the most I was ever worried

about like making it through the day was when I worked as an engineer for Death Row. There's a lot of like things you can say about Suge Knight that are, you know, bastardy, but also Suge Knight's not really, even when he's behind bars, not someone I wanna talk too much shit on. No.

I'm close enough, man. I don't know, man. I don't know. We'll say he's a big guy. He's formidable. He's a formidable man. He's a large person. Yeah.

He's a large person and I would not want to ever have my tiny skull crushed. We have lots of respect for you, Shug. Yeah. Do your thing, Shug. Don't dangle. Just don't run me over at a burger stand. You know? Yeah. So this is primarily a story of the evil Yeah, do your thing. Just don't run me over at a burger stand.

Yeah. So this is primarily a story of the evil that Sean is gonna do later in his life. And his involvement in the East Coast, West Coast rap rivalry is like, we know, but also it's murky, right? Like there's a degree of murk of like exactly what he was doing. It's unreliable narratives, as you would say.

A lot of unreliable narratives. Most of the narrators are like talking through wire taps that the police have or like interviews the police are conducting so Yeah, and like literally anything you get in all of this stuff is it's unreliable and because there's a level of ego That's involved in this stuff. There's a level of a level of ego that's involved in this stuff. There's a level of self-importance and there's a level of also, we were really fucked up doing drugs and alcohol and I don't actually remember what was going on. Yeah.

It's like, there's a joke in the audio industry about like literally almost everybody has a, I forgot like the Fleetwood Mac, like I forgot I made that song story. Like I don't remember even being there doing that. I was watching a fucking, an old video of them during the rumors tour and it's just clear, not a one of you, you're all playing perfectly,

but not one of you could walk 10 feet without falling down. Like you are snow blind. Just brutally, yes, absolutely. They had to walk you onto that stage. And although it has changed in its direction, there is still a large amount of that in the music industry. Oh yeah. Where it's just like, even on the professional side

of things, like the engineer side of things, I once cleaned a console that had been like, a sound board that had been in use since like the early 70s. Right, it was one of like the, oh, Metallica recorded here. Oh, that type of thing. Every band ever had used this console. And we took off the plates for the faders to clean it and there was actually cocaine

and weed and shit under the faders. That much had accumulated over time that it was just under, and it was like, oh my, and you're like,'re like still like you Why am I why are my hands like why do I feel numb right now? Just what we said 70s cocaine. Yeah, yeah, like that 70s Self before sitting putting it on the back of the truck. Yeah, so there's a lot of like Unreliable narration that happens in the music industry all the time. It's there's a lot of drugs. There's a lot of alcohol and there's a lot of like

Man, sometimes people tell me my own stories. Yeah When you're talking about the guys who are also literally fighting each other a lot of head injuries, you know, yes Yeah, absolutely just if it is there's this huge conflict that comes to central around Tupac, who's the big West Coast star, and Biggie, who is the East Coast star. And you know, Tupac's, you know, Shug and Biggie is with Sean, Diddy.

So things come to a head on November 30th, 1994, when Tupac Shakur is shot five times in the lobby of Quad Studios in Times Square. This is not when he dies. Tupac was a tough guy. Real quick, just to rewind in this story of what happened. So the East Coast, West Coast thing, one of the big inciting factors

were the Source Awards in New York. Probably, I think a year before Tupac died, Suge Knight was on stage directly insulting Diddy. That was his thing. He stood up on stage and he said, hey, if any of y'all wanna be out there and not have a producer that is singing and dancing all up in your videos and trying to make himself

part of the show, right, then come over to Death Row. And this was like a big, this was when Snoop got involved. There was also a moment just before that, maybe it was right after, I forget, where Diddy and Shug were in a strip club in Atlanta and Shug's best friend, that was one of the times you were talking about, Shug's best friend got shot and killed

in the parking lot or whatever after that altercation. So up until Tupac getting shot, there's multiple deaths that have already happened. Like this is a back and forth thing that's kind of been going on and they've been antagonizing. But it is Tupac and Biggie verbally in the public, right? But this is a suge-ditty situation. This is their egos that are bleeding down into their artists that are fighting against each other because Biggie and Tupac are best friends at one point. We're not best friends, but they are good friends at one point in time

This is like an important like part to understand. Yeah, Biggie used to sleep on Tupac's couch Tupac's acting and like starting out his career He's getting like of his first records and everything He's starting to have success before Biggie. Biggie's sleeping on his couch. Biggie is his friend. So Tupac comes to New York to record at Quad Studios. This is like the big inciting incident before the Source Awards thing.

Tupac comes to New York, he's recording in Quad Studios. He comes down to the lobby. Biggie and Diddy are there as well that same night. He comes down to the lobby, he gets shot and robbed in the lobby. Yeah, right, and this is New York lobby It's it's ten feet. There's a security guy there. It's like, you know, it's a so So he gets shot in that lobby and he immediately blames Biggie and there's for selling him out and there's I mean, yeah And there's also like it's it's worth it Biggie and puffy are in the studio, right at this at the time

Like and he is the only it's a quote-unquote robbery, but he is the only one who gets shot. Yeah Yes, he's the only one that gets shot and like it's been dramatized in a lot of like, you know Biopics and everything but it's a nondescript place. Like I've been to quad studios before I recorded there. It's a pretty nondescript place It's not like a flashy studio. Like in LA, you can see a lot of the studios. You know, a lot of them are kind of like nondescript, but you can like, they have signs or whatever. Quad Studios has no sign.

Quad Studios is not like an accident where you just stumble in and shoot somebody. Yeah, yeah. No, you do have to know somebody's there. It's on like the 13th floor or some shit Yeah He wasn't like on the street and it was a crime of opportunity Right like the right the fact that he's like this had to have been them is not a not not paranoia or whatever ruling

Yes, yeah And so that builds up to pock actually right after that shooting he goes to jail for sexual assault Spends some time in jail and that's when Biggie's career grows, gets all big, and he comes out of jail to see Biggie now succeeding fully and also feeling that hatred and that, like they were involved in this somehow of me getting shot, becomes incredibly paranoid. This is when the Tupac switch really goes to the gangster shit.

Yeah, and he starts putting out songs insulting Biggie and bad boy records. Exactly, and again, while he's in jail, Biggie puts out Hushacha, I think he was in jail anyways, I might be messing some of this up because also I am an unreliable pair in there. But while he's in jail, Biggie puts out Who Shot Ya, which seems like a direct attack on Tupac.

Who Shot Ya is like a pretty, oh man. It's a pretty funny thing to do. Yeah, when you're wondering who shot me. And somebody puts out a song, it's the If I Did It of Gangster Rap. Yes, it really is. And so Tupac's like, okay, well then he know. And this escalates to a massive, massive battle

between East Coast and West Coast. And we are going to talk more about that. But you know what never shot Tupac? To the best of my knowledge, I can't really prove this, but it's unlikely. Our products and sponsors, yeah, our products, the guys, the guys that give us the money for doing stuff. It's very unlikely that they did, yeah.

Yeah, although. Although, unless it's an ad for fucking Diddy. Yeah. You might get it, you might, you know. Starts buying podcast space. We want to speak out, we want to raise awareness, and we want this to stop. Wow, very powerful. I'm Ellie awareness, and we want this to stop. Wow. Very powerful.

I'm Ellie Flynn and I'm an investigative journalist. When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the heart of the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a Playboy model. Lingerie, topless. I said, yes, please. Because at the centre of this murky world is an alleged predator. You know who he is because of his pattern of behavior?

He's just spinning the web for you to get trapped in it. He's everywhere and has been everywhere. It's so much worse and so much more widespread than I had anticipated. Together, we're going to expose him and the rotten industry he works in. It's not just me. We're an army in comparison to him. Listen to the bunny trap. Together, we're going to expose him and the rotten industry he works in. It's not just me. We're an army in comparison to him.

Listen to The Bunny Trap on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF. And me, Mandy B. As we dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. That's right. Every Monday and Wednesday, we both invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives

dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, we share our personal journeys navigating our 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engage in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that'll resonate with your experiences,

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Witnesses say that they see Diddy's bodyguard get into an argument at an Atlantic club with a guy named Jai Hassan Jamal Robles, a member of Death Row's, who's like a Death Row guy, right? And then after that argument, Robles is shot and killed. And it's one of those like, well, he was having an argument with Combs' bodyguard who's a shooter, and then he gets shot, right? Turns out people with guns are willing to use them.

Yes, and by the way, Combs' bodyguard, who probably shot Robles, gets shot himself years later in Atlanta, you know, not a long life in this business. Like I said, this is a back and forth kind of situation for a long time. It's like, it mirrors what is going on because these are people who are also gang related in all these situations.

It is a lot of Bloods versus Crips situation. This is the early 90s. This is actually a thing that's going on in the world. It is tied into the organized crime part of it. And the mob pyros in California and the Crips in Los Angeles and Crenshaw, it's like this is all happening at the same time. Diddy is not a guy who comes out of gang life,

but he is now involved in organized crime, right? Because that's just the business. One of the big implications for Diddy being involved in Tupac's death is that he was hiring Kipi D. Yeah, we'll be talking about that. Right, so it's like, we get into this, he is associated heavily with other gang members. It's a bit like the Rolling Stones Hells Angels shit

where it's like, who do you hire to protect you in your territory? You don't hire the people who are strong there, you don't have that. You're not safe. Yeah. And even to this day, I've toured with some big acts. I've toured with Jay-Z and Pusha T. I've toured with a lot of mid-level rappers, Vic Mensa and IDK, all sorts of stuff like that. Even to this day, when you go to a town, a city, you check in with the guy there. On the Raptors, you check in with the J Princes.

You check in with the people that are the guy in that town. Out of respect, out of whatever, but you make sure that you are talking to those people. So this is happening now. Making the mistake that there are people that were in charge in those cities that were heavily involved in the responsibility around protecting those incidences from happening. Well, podcasting works the same way.

When the last podcast on the left guys, when they tour in Portland, they give Sophie and I a call. You better check in. We make sure our shooters stand down. The pod save guys, when I go to DC, you know, fucking, they'll have you capped if you don't call them. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

You know, and I understand that, you know, it's like, it's very similar. The hard business. Yeah, the knitting circles are actually very similar as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sophie just put out a hit on, and I'm really bad at actually knowing other people in the podcast business. I was gonna say Sarah Marshall, but y'all are real life friends.

Oh my God. Do you do how many times? No, no, absolutely not. That is my first time. I'm going to Chicago, I gotta call the knowledge fight guys, make sure they don't fucking put one in me at the airport. Yeah. Oh my God.

Oh man. So, and it's also worth noting as we say people are dying, Combs is ordering hits, right? I can't say that to a point of legal certainty. Yeah, there's no- But he's ordering hits. The implication is strong that people are being directed to execute other people on this, you know, by Sean, for sure.

I might not have said that a few months ago, but now that he's in jail, I feel confident he's not gonna sue me for defamation. Yeah, he's definitely had people killed. Yeah. Yeah. So it is also, and I should, you know, we're talking about this feud and we will get back to this East Coast, West Coast feud.

I should note here, it is around this time, in 1993 or 1994, I think the timeline's a little bit murky, the person may not remember precisely because that's the way trauma works, that Sean Combs is accused of committing his second rape that we know of. Lisa Gardner, who was 16 years old at the time, he is in his 20s, she is a child,

says that she met Combs and Aaron Hall at an album release in New York. She alleges that Combs coerced her into having sex and then Hall assaulted her. And then Diddy rapes her. And then Diddy and Hall rape her 15-year-old friend, Monica Chase. So he and his friend Aaron Hall Hall, coerce and rape two underage people, one of whom is 15, one of whom is 16. The day after the assault, Combs comes to her house,

she says, and chokes her until she passes out and then sexually assaults her again. This is bad stuff. This is bad. Very bad stuff, yeah. And it's one of those like, yeah, ordering hits is bad very bad stuff. Yeah And it's one of those like yeah ordering hits is bad too But to an extent everyone who's in this East Coast West Coast thing is agreeing we're going to do some dangerous shit, right? Yes. Oh, yeah, like so outside of the sex assault stuff. That's just I'm just like hi. can't, you know.

But like, you've got to use this. It's the only thing that you can do after talking about something that horrible. It's necessary. Oh my God. No, but it's like, that's willing participants stuff, not the sex assaults. The gang stuff, this is willing participant stuff.

So it's like, it's a lot easier to sit back and, but like the sex assault stuff happening co-currently, it's like, it's that what we were talking about, it's like, it's covering up almost, or being covered up by the gang stuff. It's like, we're over here thinking about East coast, West coast war. He's raping girls. Right. It's like, that's, that's the thing that's like emphasis on girl out it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's like there's one side where it's like well this is like a willing participant situa- I mean obviously I'm not trying to

say everybody that's hurt by gang violence is of willing but it's but the rap thing yeah. Yes it's like between these two guys they are fighting each other they are fighting each other they're causing the country to fight each other like they're this is a thing that's escalating violence amongst people in gangs. But willing participants, again, there's obviously collateral damage. There's obviously bad shit.

But the other side of this, where it's sexual assault stuff, it's like, damn, dude, you don't even get that shit to the surface because there's people dying all over the place on this shit. Right, and everyone's paying attention to the glamorous gang fight stuff, right? And this is happening the whole time that's going down. Also in 1994, the same year probably, Combs allegedly met and raped a woman named April Lampros.

She claims that he started it by telling her he wanted to be her mentor. He love bombed her, and once they were dating, he ordered her to keep the relationship secret and started beating her Lampros later alleged that Combs forced her and his partner at the time is Romantic partner Kim Porter to take MDMA and then forced them to have sex while he watched She attempted to cut off contact with him, but he threatened her including with revenge porn So she keeps going for a while. This would have been a thing that

would have looked like they were dating from the outside. But a big part of it is that he is violent and if she leaves, he's going to post videos of them having, you know, of, yeah, you know, so. And this is all a recurring theme in all of the stuff. It's like he took that, that one playbook and just ran with it, play the hits every single time, he just kept going with it because like, he knew that there is a, and there is a very truthful element to the power of influence that you can have by just being who you are and being a big deal.

And it's scary because you think, especially with people like Diddy, where they actively know that they are untouchable. They actively know that they're untouchable. They actively know that they're untouchable and that they can do whatever they want. And these are the two cases we have from the fucking the war years, right? These aren't the only two.

Like again, what I think is important is- That's not a singular event type shit. This is a pattern that he has, and he is engaging in this pattern regularly for basically like most of the time you and I have been alive. That's the kind of bastard we're talking about. I was five when he started.

Yeah. Great. I was three. In September of 1996, Tupac was gunned down in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas. Six months after that, Biggie is killed in a drive-by in Los Angeles. No one was officially convicted of either murder, but we at this point also pretty much know who did both. Biggie was very likely gunned down by a guy named Poochie,

who you can imagine is the character from The Simpsons, if you like. And he's gonna, at the end of it, he is going to space. He is going to his own planet. Here is the toughest part again, again, unreliable narrators, also every single one of these people die.

Every single one of them gets shot in an early death or Lando Anderson, who was the likely killer of Tupac, also ended early. Keefe D is the only one that stuck around for a while. Amazing that Keefe D makes it. Yeah, Keefe D. You never think it's gonna be Keefe, but it is Keefe D sticks around and he is as unreliable

as they come just because of who he is as a person. It is all it's braggadocious shit. It's all about like talking about I was involved in this thing. It is definitely he was involved. Yeah, he was in the right places. But there's a lot of like, you know, it's even that way with Suge Knight where it's like Suge Knight is bragging about a lot of the stuff and trying to like elevate and you don't get a complete narrative because

Nobody is ever gonna tell the truth right right and it as far as the the evidence points. Yeah, poochie Clarify here you will find other theories there are people who say no It wasn't poochie was this other person that killed Biggie, and the same is true with Tupac. I'm going with the likeliest version of the story. This is not a litigate who killed Tupac podcast. Right, there's literally podcasts about these. If you have strong opinions on this,

just post them on the subreddit. There's nine biographies, there's biopics, there's so many things that exist out there. Well, and I've got a working theory that it was in fact Bernie Sanders who dropped to I was ready I was gonna make that joke cuz I knew it was gonna be a deep cut that like the real lovers of the pod I'd be like oh shit. He's one of us

There's gotta be a deep cut that like the real lovers of the pod would be like, oh shit, he's one of us. So as you noted, Tupac was almost certainly killed by Dwayne Keefe D. Davis, who was finally arrested last year for the murder. He had been made a police informant in 2009 after an arrest for drug trafficking. This is like a lot of people, he is not super well informed about how the legal system

works and he believed himself immune to prosecution and admitted to killing Tupac in a drive-by in 1996. And all right, so heavily believed. So the breakdown of this story, I'll try and get through really quick, but basically it was a Tyson fight in Las Vegas. Tupac is there with his girlfriend and Suge Knight, he goes, because he actually wrote a song for Mike Tyson's walk-in.

He wrote like a rap song for Mike Tyson. And it's funny, you should listen to it. But it's Tupac. So he's there and he's watching the fight. And then after the fight, he sees a guy, Orlando Anderson, who just weeks prior had taken somebody down and stolen their chain. This is a big deal at this time. You have a chain that says Death Row on it. Suge Knight only gives those to the closest of associates and everything. And again, podcasting works the same way, by the way. Exactly.

Anybody takes my chain, I'm gonna come out blast it. Yeah. Orlando Anderson was involved in that. Tupac sees him right after the Tyson fight. He beats the shit out of him in a lobby and then goes back to his place. And then Shug and Tupac are gonna go to an after party. They start driving down the street.

Orlando Anderson happens to be Keefe D's nephew, right? And they are in a car together driving down the street. And Orlando and Keefe, depending on which narrator you believe one of them definitely Plug to puck now in one of the greatest moments in Tupac history in all history fuck it the cop comes up to Tupac and he says who shot you and Tupac says fuck you Because even in death, he kept it real.

It is one of my favorite pieces. Those were like his last words. That was his last words was saying fuck you to a cop. It's a literal Johnny tight lips character. Yeah. Johnny, where are you shut? I ain't saying nothing. I ain't saying nothing. Yeah, exactly. What should I tell the doctor? are you shot? I ain't saying nothing. I ain't saying nothing. Yeah, exactly.

What should I tell the doctor? Tell him to suck a lemon. To suck an A. Yeah, that is, suck a lemon. Exactly. Literally, like, who shot you? He knows who shot him. He just beat that guy up 10 fucking minutes ago, you know?

He's like, nah, man, just fuck yourselves. Fuck that. Speaking of shooting people, don't do that. Listen to these ads. We want to speak out, we want to raise awareness, and we want this to stop. Wow, very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn, and I'm an investigative journalist. When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the heart of the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a playboy model.

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back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back, while believing himself immune to prosecution, admits to killing Tupac in 1996. This is much more recently, he just got arrested I think last year. And he also claims while he again, believes himself immune, that Diddy offered him a million dollars to kill Tupac and paid that fee to a different South Side Crips member to do the job. And he did not get that money ever.

No, no, no. Wow, he got fucked over by a fucking rap gangster. Amazing. Diddy's not a man of his word. Man, this guy. No, so one of the things, so Keefe D had actually been a security guard for Puffy for a while,

and that's how that link had been established. You know, one of the things that's like, there's parts of this whole story that you have to kind of take with like a bit of like, I don't think Keefe D was actively, like seeking out Tupac or anything. I think there's a situation where if Puffy was involved in this whole situation, the way that it has been accused, I think he did what they say he did, which is he put a word out. The word is, if you kill Tupac, I give you a million dollars, right?

And then I think Keefe D and Orlando Anderson happened to be in the right place at the right time, right? They were at the right place at the right time. They were connected in the right situation that it happened that they were like, we know where this motherfucker is. We are here right now. Let's do this shit. And we'll try and collect on this later. And I think probably, although I don't think it was a million dollars, right? I could be wrong about this, but I think

what it was actually transferred was like 200,000 or something like that. This is what Keefe D says, right? I'm not saying this is the literal amounts or how it actually happened, right? So I think that that's exactly, I think it got transferred. I think people didn't, the one guy definitely pocketed that money,

or according to the story, pocketed that money. The in-between guy pocketed that money and was like, okay, bitch. But I think that, again, unreliable narration in this whole story, but there's some, I don't think it was intentional, is my point, that they were trying out at that moment to kill Tupac. narration in this whole story, but there's some I don't think it was intentional is my point that that they were trying out at that moment to kill Tupac. They didn't go to Vegas with the intent of killing Tupac. I think they went to Vegas to see a fight and yeah, there was an incident

and then it just turned up and it was a perfect time. You know, yeah, it seems more like that than it was a premeditated situation of they're out there looking to kill Tupac, like they're on the street ready to do it. Like Biggie saw Keife and was like, I will give you this money, go kill him now. And he went there directly. I think it was a crime of convenience, more than anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That seems likely to me. I don't know what happened. And again, when I was saying, this is what this guy says, I'm not saying this is literally what happened. This is a dude bullshitting to the cops when he thinks he's a mute. So the cops had him reach out to the guy

that he said actually got paid for the job and to Diddy. Basically trying to get Diddy on a wire being like, yeah, killing Tupac was rad. I don't think that worked. Sean is not that dumb and he has not been charged. He's notoriously been very good about not talking to the wrong people. Yes, and he has not been charged with this. he has notoriously been very good about not talking to the wrong people. Yes. You know?

And he has not been charged with this. I don't know that he ever will, but prosecutors summarizing one of the interviews with Keefe D in court documents wrote, and this is from right after Tupac's death, "'Sean Combs reaches out to defendant, wondering if Southside Crips were responsible for Shakur's death by asking, is that us?

Defendant, beaming with pride, answers, yes.'" And that is probably how it went down because often these things are not like, I ordered a hit and then he was shot. It was more, I made it known and I spread some money around. Like I wanted someone to take a shot at this guy, but like other people could have done it. Like I don't know, you know?

This is what I'm talking about, the clout industry of this because it is part of entertainment industry. It's part male ego. And like, especially at this time, the way that the rap industry was, was like very strong, like male egocentric type stuff. You know, it was like Tupac, literally the beef between him and Biggie, like, you know, Biggie made who shot you. And he responded to Pock responded with saying

you claim to be a play about I fucked your wife. You know, like he he came back with what at that time was considered the most and the rumors around him and Faith Hill actually having you know a Relationship were certainly like that's real shit. You know like this is a real like manly type fight You know this is what they're fighting about is these chauvinistic type concept. Yeah No, I mean it's exactly like, I put two bullets in Dan from Knowledge Fight, not because I didn't like him,

just because he was on my turf, right? He was on my turf and he didn't call me before Jordan went to Portland. This is just the way, nobody likes it. This is just the way podcasting has to be. There's no other way to do it. Sorry, man. There's no other way to do it.

Yeah, yeah. One of the NPR guys stabbed me, you know? That's just the way it is. One of those radio lab guys. I'm not gonna tell you which one. I don't talk, except for I'm talking now. I ain't no snitch. I ain't no snitch.

I'll snitch on Joe Rogan. I'll snitch on Joe Rogan. Yeah, I'll snitch on Joe Rogan, man, so fast. Let me find out some news on him. So anyway, not conclusive, but probably pretty safe to say, did he had something to do with the Tupac killing? At the very least, he influenced it by positively putting that word into the hood.

Right, right. That if you kill him, there's money on it for you. Yeah, exactly. And obviously, the greater crime in this is the fan art that this whole tragic rivalry has inspired. I'm speaking specifically I wrote this episode listening to a bunch of Tupac and Biggie's songs And while I was you know how YouTube does its thing and it took me to a playlist some DJ had made that was like Tupac and Biggie songs called Biggie versus Tupac

This has nothing to do with the story But whoever made it did a Photoshop that Sophie's gonna show you. And it's supposed to be like split down the middle, Tupac's face and Biggie's face side by side. But the way they did it, it just looks like Tupac had a stroke. Oh my God, I can already picture it. Yeah, so we just show it off. Okay, I got it.

It just looks like T two bucks stroked out. It's the way Biggie's got kind of those drooping eyes. Not a successful Photoshop, my man, I'm sorry. Oh my God. Here's the thing, man. Just like NWA, the largest consumers of this East Coast, West Coast rap or suburban white kids.

And this is true with, even today, like you get into like the Travis Scott stuff, you get into like any rap that's like, you know, it is largely consumed by suburban white kids who also, I'm sorry guys, like, you know, same team or whatever, but you guys could be some of the dumbest corniest people that exist on the planet.

That is pretty brutal, man. As a suburban white kid who was listening to fucking Biggie when I was 50. Yeah, me too, sorry guys. We just weren't really nailing it. I'm gonna be a gangster one day. Plano fucking tech. God, that was ha ha. Plano fuckin' tech. God, that was so funny.

All the kids who would pretend to be fuckin' gangsters. Oh my God, dude. It is. The North Dallas suburbs. They're a large consumer of that beef. And also, even today, we're still sitting with the Kendrick Drake thing right now that is going on. I know how plugged in you are to this.

I've tried to tell him. It seems, yeah, it seems largely egged on by like suburban white populace. No, and honestly, I'm considering taking some shots at Drake. This seems like the time to do it, you know? It is, yeah, he's low, he's low. You can really get some in and nobody can say anything. This is gonna be huge for our podcasts.

It's gonna be an easy win, it's punching down, so easy. Punching down on Drake with, you know, whatever, 400 billion fucking streams on Spotify. Yeah. So Sean Puffy Combs at this point has helped to orchestrate half a coast's campaign of assassinations that led to the deaths of two of the greatest rappers of all time

and also some other people. This was a tough period for Diddy though because after Biggie dies, he's successfully gotten rid of one of his major competitors at the cost of losing his own golden goose. Sort of. Sort of. Sort of.

He waited a whole two weeks to release his album. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, so he releases his first hit single in January of 1997. An album follows in July, which includes a touching tribute to Biggie titled, I'll Be Missing You. It might as well be titled,

I'll Be Cashing In On Your Death. Although the complaint that you're gonna get from this, people are gonna be like, but he never cleared the sample, right, from Sting. Right, yeah, he samples Sting's every move you take, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The greatest crime. Yeah, he never clears it,

and he to this day, like, Sting collects a pretty big amount of cash off of that. However Don't also forget that this is a time in the world where appearances pay Radio play pays like everything pays This isn't Spotify era where like, you know The song being everywhere in the entire world doesn't give you any money even though you're not getting any publishing off of it Because yeah when you record it yourself you own that that's the master recording you own your version of it Yeah for certain things right mm-hmm publishing is one thing they can take all the publishing and you still make money off of that song

Because it plays places yep, so it's not like it's not like he made no money off of that That's I just know like people are gonna, but he didn't cash in on that because You know, you know, it's like there's still money to be made, especially in the 90s There was still a lot of money to be made off of and having a number one song in the country This is the first rap single to debut at number one on the Billboard top 100 Like he makes a lot of money as a result of this. Everybody knows this song. He comes out at the VMAs dancing in a white suit. Like, like he, it was actually iconic.

It was actually iconic. I mean, yeah, yeah. The Biggie Memorial in the background. Oh God, it was. His dead friend's huge face. Is he just fucking cash register sounds going off in his head. Immediately. And there is also real quick, just to backpedal a second,

there is a lot of talk about Biggie wanting to leave Puffy's label before this happens. There is interviews with tons of people, again, unreliable narrator type stuff, but there is a lot of interviews of people saying that Biggie wanted out of his deal with bad boy because he felt like Puffy was taking advantage of him. He felt like he wasn't getting what he should from his music. That he wasn't getting like I think at the time like he was worth like maybe 20 million dollars or something like that you know but he was not like reaping what he actually should have

from 90s era music. Right. You know it's like when you had a should have from 90s era music. Right. You know, it's like, when you had a banger in 90s era music, you made like $50 million. It was like an insane amount of money that you could make. Like if you talk about 90s bands, they were selling, they were still selling physical product.

It's not like now with streaming and stuff like that. They were selling a physical product. So if you had a platinum album in the 90s, you made 25 30 million if your label didn't screw you if there were you know, if you weren't getting fucked over, you made like 30 or $40 million like you made in a tremendous amount of money. There's a lot of there's a lot of conversation about Biggie having known that prior to his death, which also leads to the implication that he may have actually been involved in Biggie's own death. Yeah, and we're largely just staying away from that because it's not provable and the stuff that's provable is honestly a lot worse.

Again, very unreliable narrators everywhere, but it should at least be known that there is the theory out there in the world that that is something that goes on, you know, that that that happened and that was what he was part of. Well that's going to do it for part two. Will you got anything to plug before we roll out? Man, I have podcasts if you are a nerd and you like audio stuff, but not nerdy audio stuff, I have a podcast called That Sounds About Right

with my friend Shane Lance, who is a polar opposite of me as a human. He's very Christian, very positive human being, and I am divorced three times. So we make a good pair. And we talk about cool audio stuff about our own careers and a little inspirational. I mean, it's called That Sounds About Right.

I also am found all over the internet on things from YouTube to TikTok under Greasy Will, Greasy Will Music. I'm easy to find a Z and only one L on Will. Yeah, check him out and check me out on Blue Sky at I Write Okay and check out our other podcast. Oh, are you loving Blue Sky? I am loving Blue Sky. We're all on Blue Sky now.

It's fine, it's great now, yeah, I'm happy. You actually, you liked one of my shoots the other day on your thing and people were very excited about it. Yeah. I don't have many followers on Blue Sky, but I share some really dark, twisted thoughts on there, so you know, if you're into that, you can find me there too, I'm sure.

Watch Will cancel himself and watch me cancel myself all on Blue Sky. Blue Sky. All right, well, that's it. Behind the Bastards is a production of Cool Zone Media. For more from Cool Zone Media, visit our website, coolzonemedia.com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Behind the Bastards is now available on YouTube. New episodes every Wednesday and Friday. Subscribe to our channel, youtube.com, slash, at, Behind the Bastards. We want to speak out and we want this to stop. Wow, very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn, an investigative journalist,

and this is my journey deep into the adult entertainment industry. I really wanted to be a player boy, my doll. He was like, I'll take you to the top. I'll make you a star. To expose an alleged predator and the rotten industry he works in. It's honestly so much worse than I had anticipated.

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