Behind the Bastards - Part Two: Prince Mohammed Bin Salman: The Tyrant of Saudi Arabia

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Robert continues the early history of Mohammed Bin Salman and the House of Saud.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about Muhammad bin Salman for this week and next week with my former colleague and current friend David Pell. David. Hello. Hi, where could the good and bad people on the internet find you? You know, before that, I realized I don't think I've said thank you for having me on. I didn't say that. Oh, you don't need to thank me. I know.

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So by the time Prince Mohammed bin Salman was born in 1985, the Saudi state had reached a level of what we might call catastrophic dependence on oil revenue. news. Aramco accounted for roughly 80% of state spending, which meant that any serious drop in oil prices rendered the state insolvent, living off its savings in order to continue spending. Nearly two-thirds of Saudi men were government employees, right? And that doesn't mean they're working. It just means they're government employees. Most of them aren't doing real jobs, you know? Most of the state jobs that they have are lifetime gigs that exist as a form of welfare. They're away for the House of Saud to bribe enough of the free mail population. to ensure there's never too much unrest because then you'll lose your job.

Like, I would be fine with a government that I guess you could call it bribing, but just paid us all to live. But that's what's happening here, right? It's just enough people so that they can screw other people. Yeah, and they have to bring other people in the country to really fuck over, like to have an underclass that they can fuck over enough, you know? Yeah. And this state of affairs leads to some complications because so many jobs are like. lifetime things, giving raises to certain classes of jobs is financially untenable. If you give like everybody who has this job a raise, that's a meaningful percentage of the

country. And you just can't afford to do that because you have to then keep that raise going for everyone who holds that job forever. Instead, the government gets into a habit of adding benefits to jobs, which are salary bumps for employees who have specific skills. Like classes of workers will get an amount of money every year for knowing how to type or knowing how to use like Microsoft Office. And workers who have these skills get these bumps.

And there are so many of these bumps that over time, many workers get paid more as a result of all the bumps to their salary than the actual base value of their salary itself. Saudi government employee benefits constitute between 10 and 150% of worker income by the late 20th century. They get around this to try to avoid paying more money and it winds up costing a huge amount of the national budget to do that. Right. That really got away from them. Yeah. They're robbing Peter to also pay Peter. Yeah. Right. Now, the fact that most people working in Saudi Arabia were not Saudi represented another issue. The state, again, tries to fix the problem by fiddling

around the edges. They issue a novel benefit for employees and departments that have fewer than 50% Saudi workers. The idea is that if they give a benefit to these jobs, more Saudis will get jobs in these fields because these jobs have higher pay. But it actually discourages the hiring of Saudi employees because every worker in that field is like, if we hire any more Saudis, we won't get that huge pay bump. So we have to not hire any Saudis. We have to only hire foreign workers, right? Yeah.

Yeah. It's just a constant series of like really avoidable. If it was anyone other than a bunch of like princes who's never worked making these decisions, you'd be like, but wouldn't this just encourage them? not to hire more Saudis? It's one of those situations. Why are they going to do a thing that gets them their pay cut? Right.

It's one of those things where you just have to kind of go like, all right, everybody stop. Let's start over. Like we're building upon mistakes. Yeah. Got to do a scratch. Scratch on this country, guys. Yeah.

We got to take all the wiring out, put in new wiring. It's like when you're working on a screenplay or a novel that just isn't coming together. Sometimes at some point, at a certain point, you just have to throw the idea out, right? Oh, yeah. And some people can't do that. It's like that, but with a country. MBS's father, Prince Salman, during most of MBS's child, all of NBS's childhood, is the governor of Riyadh.

And Muhammad bin Salman is the first son of his dad's second wife, because, again, he'd had like six kids with his first wife, Sultana. But then she gets like this recurrent kidney infection, and she can't have any more kids. So he kind of reluctantly gets a second wife, this lady, Fada Bint Fala al-Hathlim, who is brought on to let him continue to have sons. And over the years, she gives him six more sons. Muhammad bin Salman is the oldest of these kids, right? So he is the oldest son from his dad's second family. On paper, again, he's the oldest son of the second family.

So he should never have wound up anywhere near becoming the king, right? His dad shouldn't have become the king, let alone him. He's even further down the line. He is the sixth son of the original king's 25th son and was literally several generations removed from being in line for the throne. Muhammad bin Salman's early life was, in Ben Hubbard's words, steeped and inherited and unearned privilege. He spends most of his childhood in palaces,

socializing with other members of the royal family, almost to the exclusion of anyone else. When he travels from one palace to the other, it's in convoys of armored cars surrounded by bodyguards. He's raised mostly by a mix of nannies and tutors who watch over him on a daily basis alongside servants and other household staff, who don't have the power to discipline him

in a meaningful way. So most of the people raising him can't punish him. That sounds healthy. Can't even yell at him. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You can be like, I can't have your family killed, you know that? If you're mean to me. That's how you make a monster.

Like that's like, make a monster. Yeah, that's like if a group of people were like, hey, you know what would be funny? If we made a monster. Yeah. How do we do that? And that sounds like what you would do. That's, it's one of those things. There's a sweet spot because it's bad if a kid is always afraid that his parents are

going to hit him. But it's also bad if a kid knows no one he could possibly talk to will ever smack him in the mouth, right? It's true. Like, it shouldn't be your parents, but you should know that if you moth off to a stranger, who knows what they'll do, right? As opposed to the stranger will be scared that you'll have their family killed, right? One of those is worse than the other. He's living on the holodeck. Like, that's what it is. It's a world exclusively built for him. Exactly. Yeah, you should go through life. It's just deep brain damage. Yeah, you should know that you could get a smack from somebody. Someone.

Not your parents. It's someone. Yeah. A classmate. Yeah. Some guy to the bar. You know, like that's just... Someone could put you in check if you're out of pocket enough, right?

That's important for people. Right. Because it seems like you don't want to learn that late. Right. Now, it's a measure of how fucked up this kid's upbringing is that almost no one in his life is allowed to call him by his real name. Right. That's how separated from the world.

old this boy is. A handful of close friends and his family members can call him Muhammad bin Salman, right? To people actually raising him who are largely servants, which are most of the people he talks to on a daily basis, they call him Tal Omrak. This means literally may God prolong your life. But a more accurate translation is what people, like people, it's like Your Highness, right? That's what they mean when they call him Tal Amrock, right? In recent interviews, MBS has claimed that his father took responsibility for organizing his, and his siblings' educations. They were each assigned a book a week to read

and would be quizzed on it. His mother used a lot of the family clout and money to bring in scholars and academics from around the kingdom to lead discussions with the royal family and take her kids on field trips. Per Hubbard's book, MBS, quote, both parents were strict. Showing up late for lunch with his father

was a disaster, in Salman's words. His mother was harsh, too. My brothers and I used to think, why is our mother treating us this way? She would never overlook any of the mistakes he made. He later concluded that the script scrutiny made him much stronger. MBS is rather unique among the royalty we covered on the show and that we don't have a lot

of detail on his like early life, right? You get a lot of that with like European royalty because there's someone making notes of everything they do for like the entirety of their early life. And we don't have that with him. He doesn't say much about his childhood. And the people who would know more were mostly servants and state employees who, again, could be seriously punished if they told anybody. and they never do.

We know that Prince Salman, his father, continued to live with his first wife and family in a palace referred to ingest as the White House. MBS's mom, whose dad's second wife, raises the kids in another palace, and so he's already the B family, right? He grows up knowing he's the B family.

But his mom takes him and his siblings to the main house regularly, because she wants her kids to have face time with their dad, which guaranteed them a future in the pastime. power structure in the country. And as you might guess, this is awkward. Yeah, it's just such a perfect storm of like, we're going to give you an inferiority complex, but also still a palace. Yeah, still a palace and no one can yell at you except for your dad and mom, who will do it and then never raise you, right? That's all they're there for us to yell at you. Now, Sultana

doesn't like her husband's second family, right? And her kids follow suit. The older kids, the first kids treat all of the second kids like shit. You know, like he is, the only people who can bully him are his half-brothers, right? Like, they're the ones talking shit about him constantly. And MBS's early memories involve a lot of bullying from these siblings. He's also raised on stories of his royal ancestors that would have emphasized how normal it was for members of the Soud family to kill each other. While his paternal grandfather was King Abdulaziz, his maternal grandfather had murdered the

king's only brother. And the man who would be king, Karen House adds, Indeed, MBS's maternal ancestor died on Al-Hithlan's Azamon troops had wounded Abdulaziz in a 1915 battle that killed his only full brother. More than a decade later, Al-Hathlain was treacherously murdered, bearing a leather of safe conduct signed by Abdulaziz, Al-Hathlain and 11 companions with Abdulaziz's regional governor's son.

While he declined to stay overnight, saying his men would come looking for him if he didn't return, his host refused to allow him to leave. When the Ashman tribesman did arrive, their chief's throat was slit, along with those of his 11 companions. Some Saudis see this treachery as parallel to that of a murder of nearly a century later of Jamal Khashoggi. The Washington Post columnist invited to a Saudi consulate in Istanbul and then murdered in 19, in 2018. So he grows up on stories of like his family members killing each other and was told that this is like this is what made your grandpa strong, is that he killed this other member of your family. Right. It's like stories of like your grandfather fighting in the war.

but it's fighting in the war against your other grandfather or something. Yeah. His cousin who killed his brother. Yeah. So MBS grows up constantly mocked and derided by his older, more accomplished half-brothers. And he is initially a shy and anxious boy. During a third grade play, he is so uncomfortable with the idea of performing in front of people that he can't take the stage when the moment comes, even though his dad, the governor of Riyadh, is in the audience to see him.

So one of the few times his dad shows. It was up to see him do something. He's like, I can't be, I got stage friend. I can't show up on stage. Oh, man. Listen, I feel for the kid, like, I don't want to go on stage either, but man. Yeah. Man, that's a rough one.

That's a rough one. His earliest memories would have involved a lot of rage at the religious police, too. Again, movies and music are illegal while he's a child. Television exists in Saudi Arabia, but it sucks complete ass because you can't watch a lot of the TV that other people are watching. It's basically just news and boring religious discussions. Yeah, we all grew up with those like weird neighbor kids who didn't have a TV. Yeah. Yeah, and they develop a complex about it.

Yeah, that's what happens. His only entertainment option at home is video games, because video games are a new enough concept that the actual fun police, Saudi Arabia has, hasn't gotten around to banning them yet. Amazing. Like, they kind of get grandfathered in, so he is for his whole life up to the present moment, a huge video game nerd, because it's just kind of the only cool thing he can do as a kid. Incredible. And in this way, his childhood's not that different from a lot of people listening. His first console was a Nintendo, followed by a Neo Geo, which he got when he was six. Biographer Karen House notes that he still has his original Neo Geo in his childhood bedroom at the family palace.

Amazing. Kept it. That thing's worth some money these days today, you know? Not that he cares, but yeah, you can sell that. You throw that up on eBay. Yeah. That'd be a hell of a buy. As I said earlier, Prince Salman was not rich by Al-Saud standards.

That's, again, MBS's dad. He was certainly in the top 1% in the country, probably still in the world, but that still puts him in the bottom 50% of the House of South. MBS was conspicuously aware of this fact as a child. His monthly allowance was equivalent to about $500 U.S. dollars while he was a fourth grader. And it says a lot that he felt poor next to his cousins, the wealthiest of whom received about $5,000 a week, right? If you gave me $500 as a fourth grader and brought me to the mall, I would die. Like, I would be dead from that somehow.

Yeah, that would get me killed. Yeah. I would have overdosed on Warhammer models. Yeah, absolutely. I would have puter poisoning or some shit. I'd find a way. I don't know how, but I'd die. I would find a way.

Yeah. MBS's frustration with his family financial situation was compounded by the fact that things were worse for Prince Salman's second family. Again, they live in the second palace. They have a smaller cut of the family. income. And when the family goes on vacation to Spain, Prince Salman takes his first wife and their kids to his mansion in Marbella, and MBS's mom and the kids have to stay at a hotel in

Barcelona. Now, it's a nice hotel, right? But you're not staying in the palace your dad owns, because you're not allowed there, because you're not the real family, right? That's going to fuck a kid up. Yeah. Again, perfect storm. It's like, you have so much privilege, but also like the weird anger of someone who doesn't feel like they do. And we're giving you just nothing but video games, which I mean, I love video games, but something about that also. No parental love but all of the video games you can eat. So as a father, Prince Salman was more hands-on than most of his family.

He sets an aggressive curriculum for his kids and he devotes a significant amount of money to their education, but he doesn't spend time with them face-to-face. He manages them like Sims, basically, right? He's a spreadsheet dad. MBS grows up with the distinct impression that his dad was prioritizing his first family because he was. He watches with jealousy as one older half-brother becomes the first Muslim astronaut, and another gains international renown for helping American journalists during the First Gulf War. In more recent years, a rumor has spread that MBS was always his father's favorite.

And this is true now. His dad has made him the crown prince. It doesn't seem to have been true back then. MBS himself told Karen House I was, yeah If my kid, if one of them was an astronaut, I feel like no one would even ask what the favorite was, you know? I'd like the astronaut more.

Yeah. Yeah. That's really tough to compete with an astronaut. Easy. Yeah. MBS himself told Karen House, I was not my father's favorite and then listed the names of four siblings that his dad preferred.

And the fact that he had a list ready to hand says a lot about this kid. Or he's like, no, I knew my rank. I knew my exact rank in the family. They had it on the wall. They had a letterboard. Yeah, they had a letterboard, and the astronaut was top. Yeah. One family associate postulated a house that, quote,

he felt a need to strive for distinction from an early age. This was stoked by his father, who treated his kids with his second wife like they were the B family, right? You know, like, this is the way that they're, he's like almost saying this to them. So MBS grows up with a bone to pick in regards to his half-siblings and a burning sense that he is a great deal to prove if he's going to win his father's affections. This becomes more of an urgent deed as he gets older. By sixth grade, he's aged out of his shyness, and according to his recollections, he'd replaced his younger brother Turkey as the leader of his siblings. One of the few good sources we have on his childhood that isn't either MBS himself or someone who he could imprison for having something negative said about him is a British tutor that has.

father hired to teach his son's English. This guy, Rashid Sakai, had been a teacher at a fancy school in Jeddah before the prince called him up in 1996 when MBS was 11, and he's one of our only sources who can be kind of objective about these kids in this period of time. Here's how he describes the family living arrangements when he went to work with the family. And keep in mind, these are poorer members of the royal family. Once through the heavily guarded gates, the car would wind past a series of jaw-dropping villas with immaculate gardens maintained by work. workers in white uniforms. There was a car park filled with a fleet of expensive a luxury cars.

It was the first time I saw what looked like a pink Cadillac. Oh, my God. That's, like, yeah, that's his second family's house. Right. It's like when you read about Stephen Miller and you're like, his family had to downgrade. And it's like, what do you mean by downgrade? It's like, well, he still had maids and stuff and like servants. Not as many maids.

Yeah. Yeah, it was slightly smaller. It was fewer maids than he thought he ought to have. And that fucked him up for the rest of his life. Yeah, he never got over that. Yeah. You know who isn't like Stephen Miller, Dave? Oh, hold on.

No, just tell me. The sponsors of this podcast, who are probably not Stephen Miller. There's not a 0% chance. And we're back. I've just looked, Stephen Miller is still not a podcaster. So we're doing good. He's not a sponsor? Not yet.

Not yet. Not yet. We do look forward to him sponsoring the show, though. Yeah. So we're talking about this guy, Rashid Sakai, who starts teaching when, like, the second family of Prince Solomon when MBS is 11. And he recalled that when he starts working for the family, he notices that MBS is close to the palace director and the palace guards. Like the people who are, like the servants who are kind of running the household all really. like this kid.

He tends to prefer, MBS tends to prefer socializing with the guards to paying attention during his English lessons. Quote, as the oldest of his siblings, he seemed to be allowed to do as he pleased.

My ability to command the younger prince's attention would only last until Muhammad would turn up. So again, he's not the top of his family, but he's the top of the second family. So it's like, again,

it's constantly the worst of all worlds, right? Yeah. Where he's the head of his small world, but he also regularly butts up against this other world where he's nothing, you know? since his dad lives in a different palace and is seldom around,

this means that MBS is effectively the man of the house from like sixth grade on. He is in charge in a very literal sense, and he gets to give orders to a staff of dozens of adults. He develops a habit of playing pranks, as Rashid recollected. I still have a memory of him using a walkie-talkie in our classes, borrowed from one of the guards. He would use it to make cheeky remarks about me and crack jokes between his brothers and guards on the other end.

That's not a very good prank. That's not a break at all. It's just being a dick. Yeah. Yeah. Again, a teacher should have the right to, like, at least spray water at a kid if they do something like that. A little bit of water. Right.

Like a cat. Like a cat. Like a cat. Exactly. Like, stop it. Yeah. They had to give them, like, some sort of special pass for this stuff. Yeah.

Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't note that Sakai himself still says that he became fond of Muhammad and his siblings. He describes them all as curious to learn, but keen to play around. Just like his son. non-royal students. Sikai's account gives us an interesting insight into the bizarre world of royal family life. For example, quote, on one occasion I was taken aback when Muhammad told me that his mother, the princess, said that I had said that I seemed like a true gentleman. I had no recollection of meeting her. Saudi women royalty don't appear in front of strangers, and the only female I came

across was a nanny from the Philippines. I was oblivious to the fact that I was being watched until the future heir to the throne pointed to some CCTV cameras on the wall. From that point onwards, I would always feel self-conscious in my lessons. Like, that's, that's the vibes here? Oh, my God. Just awful. I think about, I think about what, like, school teachers have to deal with in this country not being recorded.

Like, that is, oh, God. No. Yeah, just, just a bad time. After several months on the job, the future King Salman, MBS's father, scheduled a meeting with all the different tutors that he'd hired for his children. Sikai initially thought that this might be a good opportunity to discuss the kid's behavioral issues, so we can infer that despite his fondness for Muhammad bin Salman, Sakai did consider the kid to have a behavior issue.

Quote, when he appeared before us, the teachers instinctively rose up, and I watched in awe as they approached the Riyadh governor one by one, bowed, kissed his hand, and hastily conferred about the children, and moved on. And when I turned came, I couldn't for the life of me been like they did. I had never done it before. And before I froze completely, I reached out to take the future king, hand and shook it firmly. I remember a faint grin of amazement on his face.

However, he made no fuss about my faux pa. Now, Sakai does not decide, like, I've already pushed my luck enough. I'm not going to talk about the fact that your kid's acting up in class. He says this is because he'd already decided to leave for the UK. But he just recalled that afterwards, the house manager yells at him for not showing respect for the future king, right? That he's like, you shook his hand? You fucking asshole?

Yeah. This is a job where, like, I'm not going to marry Poppins this. I'm getting the hell out of here. I'm not fixing this. This is weird. Yeah. Yeah. This can't be on me to figure this out.

It's that feeling of like if you speak up, they might go like, well, I have a different plan. We're just going to execute you. Yeah, we're going to kill you. Get out of there. We just had to go in a different direction. By the time he enters his teen years, Prince Muhammad had jettisoned the shy, awkward side of his personality. He continued to play pranks and act up in class and in public. His relatives describe him as being frustrated and angry with a sharp temper that went off explosively for little to no reason.

One of his earliest defining character traits is that he was completely unsatisfied with his family's level of wealth. In the fourth grade, again, he's making about $500 a week as a fourth grader. So we're talking about like a pretty good monthly income for a 10-year-old. But he complains, again, about the fact that his other relatives get more. Karen House describes the young prince as saying that his immediate family sat below the salt. Right? Like, that's the term for we're not making as much money as the other people in the royal family. It's normal for Prince. If it's the only life you know, if you go to your cousins and you're like, I have all the pogs in the world.

And they're like, I have all the pogs in the world plus several cars. And you're like, oh. Yeah. I have custom pogs. Yeah. And again, like, by the time he's in high school, it's normal for princes at his level to have Porsches or BMWs. But that's not good enough for him. He like, he can't stand having the same kind of fancy car as. the other poor princes. I'm going to read a quote from the man who would be king here. Quote, as a high school senior, MBS was old enough to get his first car. His father urged his son to get a car like the other boys had, luxury but low key. MBS declined. He had saved money from gifts his uncles had given him on Islamic holidays, and he was going

to have the car he wanted, even though it cost nearly $230,000. So he buys the car, which is like a fancy Lamborghini, but he doesn't get a lot of time to show it off for long. Because I don't know, this may be surprising to you, Dave. 16-year-olds are not ready to drive Lamborginis. I was literally my mind was flashing through my history of cars as you're saying that. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what you want to do.

That's absolutely, I don't care how much money you have. Yeah. You want something you'll drag race with your friend on the highway or off-road with. Yeah. Yeah, give that kid a answer. Yeah. MBS rear in some poor fucker in Riyadh and totals his Lamborghini. He has to call a friend to be rescued.

I don't. He's probably not drunk. He's probably just incompetent. I doubt the person he hits gets to file. Imagine filing a claim against the fucking prince. I would run. Like, I would literally on the street to see him and get the fuck out of there. Holy shit.

Yeah, what a horrible time. It's like hitting a cop car. Like, fuck. Yeah, yeah, it's like hitting a dinosaur. It's just like, I need to get out of here right now. That thing is going to kill me. There's only one kind of dude driving a Lamborghini in Saudi Arabia right now. Yeah.

Now, the turn of the millennium brings several huge changes to Muhammad bin Salman's life, two of which bring a rapid and unexpected alteration to his chances at reaching the throne. In 2001, Prince Solomon's oldest son, Fad, the guy who'd helped reporters during Desert Storm, dies unexpectedly of a heart condition. His second brother, Ahmed, who's 46, a year later, and this is the guy he's like owned a Kentucky Derby-winning horse, he'd been great at shit. He dies at age 44 of another heart-related issue. In his biography, MBS, Ben Hubbard writes, quote, the declared cause in both cases was

heart attack, but the underlying reasons were never made clear, right? So were they poisoned? Were they killed a night? It's heart attack in quotes. Big heart attack. in quotes. It's a little soft, right? Right.

That said, MBS probably wasn't the culprit either way, because he's just a kid at this point in time. It would be tough to live in a family like this, and then there be an actual, like, genetic medical issue, because you might not even know. Like, what if it is just heart attacks? And they're like, well, we assume they were poisoned. So we're not going to look into that. I'm not going to go to the cardiologist.

Yeah. Who knows they're rich? Are they doing, like, Coke or something like that? I don't know. This is mom orchestra. Who's to say? It's entirely possible. These are what they seem to be.

Whatever the case, this shifts the family dynamics in very short order. For one thing, MBS's dad, Prince Solomon, is devastated. And his most prominent biographers tend to agree, right? This presents an opportunity to MBS because his dad has other older kids from his first marriage. But by the time the two oldest sons die, they're all mature adults following their careers in ambitions, while MBS is just 16 years old, and has nowhere better to be during his father's time of need and vulnerability than right by his dad's side. So while the other older kids are off doing stuff, MBS starts showing up to support his dad while he's grieving, which is going

to immediately put him in a better position, right? Yeah. It's just, yeah, a smart play. It's not hard to see why this pays dividends for him. Yeah, and a convenient one where it might have even naturally happened where, like you said, everybody else is fucked off doing other things. They don't seem like as interested in the family business, essentially. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, the main consequence of these deaths isn't just that two names get pulled from the front of the line. It's that NBS and his dad get really close.

People note that Mohammed bin Salman starts following his father to work on a daily basis and gets to watch him do the job of governing the capital. He starts to get a feel for how power works in the kingdom, and he gets a lot of face time with his father. Power players in the state apparatus get used to seeing MBS as well, and he becomes a default part of increasingly large bits of the power structure. One thing he comes to understand is that his father wields power and influence within the Al-Saud family.

In his article for the Africa report, Jahad Gillen writes, As governor of Riyadh, he had access to a small private prison where he could punish any badly behaved relatives for offenses such as public intoxication, unpaid hotel bills in Paris, and reckless driving. I have several princes in my palace at this point. moment. He bragged to the British writer Robert Lacey. In this way, his position meant that he knew all the secrets big and small of the Al-Sad clan and possessed incriminating information on many of them. Right. So he's he's kind of able, his dad is part of what MBS grows up seeing,

is his dad is padding his money and is kind of increasing his power by punishing a lot of his relatives who have less power, right? And MBS becomes aware of like, oh, that's how you get ahead in the family, you know, by getting leverage and wealth over your loved ones. It's like any family. You blackmail the rest of your family. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You put them in the prison you keep for family members. Yeah. Exactly. Everybody needs a cousin jail. You need just need one. If I had a cousin jail, believe me, it would have gotten used when I was a kid. Oh, yeah. Listen, here's the thing, Robert. It can be a shed. Like, it could be anything you needed to be. It's ideally you want like a, you know, like a 10-person cousin jail.

If you have a pair of handcuffs, you have a cousin jail. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. If you have like a cinder block and some rope, you have a cousin jail. If you really need it. Yeah. Anyone can have a cousin jail.

So Ben Hubbard cites an interview with an anonymous member of the family entourage who claims, quote, MBS's social life centered around using his royal privilege to help build bonds with the people. In the summer, his family. family would decamp for the Red Sea coast, where MBS would rent a fleet of jet skis for the young men. In the winter, they would set up camp across the desert, where MBS would have the biggest camp, serve roast lambs on huge platters of rice, and keep fleets of buggies for the Bedouin who dropped by to greet the locals. In Bin's reading, one of been Salman's strengths is that he loved, or at least was able to convince his father and a lot of power brokers in the country

that he loved Saudi Arabia. While his cousins and siblings and half-siblings loved the West and spent their time in foreign countries, he was primarily, like, hanging out at home, right? This isn't totally accurate. He parties overseas a lot, and he violates the religious laws, his family is supposed to abide by constantly. But he puts in a good show of liking Saudi Arabia, right?

And that pays dividends for him, you know? Right. I mean, he's a rich kid. You have to party overseas. That's just what you got to do. Yeah, that's just part of the life, yeah. Yeah. But you throw in some parties at home, too, you know?

Yeah, no, he did it. Yeah, and the fact this is a deliberate lie doesn't mean that his dad isn't convinced that his son feels this way. The evidence suggests that MBS is able to keep a sort of Jekyll and Hyde situation going from most of his adolescence in young adulthood. To his father, he's this disciplined, obedient, patriotic boy, the perfect successor. To a lot of his peers and relatives, he makes a habit out of petty crime and disobedience, stretching the limits of his royal immunity as far as possible. Per an article in the Africa report, quote, As a teenager, he was a bad-tempered troublemaker who sometimes behaved outlandishly, like the time he dressed up as a policeman so he could wander around a Riyadh shopping center.

He was caught in the act by actual police officers, but they let him walk free when they realized who he was. He's doing like a Princess Jasmine. He's going out. He wants to blend in. But normally when you want to blend in, you don't dress like a cop. That's the opposite of blending in. No, I mean. He doesn't want to blend in.

He wants to bully people. Yeah, it sounds really like real. My dad owns the dealership energy. Yeah. Where, like, he's a jerk, but he's a perfect angel to the family, to the people who are keeping them in that position. Like, in terms of like... The folks he has to be good to. Yeah.

Yeah, like, he's doing a great job at being a shitty rich kid. Like, he's nailing it. It sounds like. That's exactly right. Now, as a young man, one of the first revelations MBS has is that unlike many of his close relatives, he's going to have to work for his money. Now, to be clear, he's not going to have to work to have access to life of luxury and excess. He's guaranteed that as a member of the royal family. But he wants power and influence, and his birthright isn't going to guarantee him that. It's become increasingly

clear to him by this period that Prince Solomon is in a lot of debt, both to other family members and to non-royal rich Saudi guys. MBS is keenly aware of this fact, and he's also paying a lot of attention to the financial situations of his closer relatives. During a conversation with one such cousin, he comes to the horrifying conclusion that his branch of the family is going to get left on the sidelines, per an investigation by Jahad Gillen, published in the Africa report. While still a teenager, MBS told his father that he wanted to start a business, an atypical ambition for a Saudi royal family member, one that extracted nothing other than a smile from

Salman. MBS's significant relationships with his male relatives are all based around either vengeance or imitation. As an insecure teenager, the cousin he most wants to imitate, is his cousin, Prince Al-Wahid bin Talal, who's the richest man in Saudi Arabia. Reporting on Bin Talal's earlier business dealings makes it seem like this is the kind of thing where MBS would regularly bring up his rich cousin during business deals to be like, I'll be richer than him in like two years. You know, like, this guy's the cousin I'm most admired by her now, but I'm going to get more money than my cousin. Like, you think he's rich now. You get in bed with me. I'm going to have

even more money, right? He's not initially good at business. The first big business deal he tries to set up involves trying to buy, like trying to land a deal importing asphalt from Kuwait, and this falls apart, as do most of his subsequent business deals, because despite having a lot of cunning and a work ethic that surpasses his relatives, he's not good at a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Like, he doesn't know things. I feel like being born into well. It feels harder to be into business because it's like, it's like, it's like driving a GTA where like the stakes are not high enough for me to be good at this. Yeah. You know, if I, if I fuck up, eh, it'll be fine. It's like, and like if you get good at driving a GTA, that's fun, but you still fucked up enough that if you'd been a real person, you would have died a million times by that point, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Um, case in point, at age 16, uh, he saved up about $100,000 in cash, mostly from hawking gold jewelry and fancy washes. He got his birthday gifts from his like dad and uncles. And he uses that money to launch an investment portfolio that he's going to try to turn into a personal fortune, right? He wants to turn this hundred thousand to millions of dollars so that he's independently wealthy. Gillen writes that, quote, at first, the value of his share portfolio went up.

But soon enough, MBS was losing money and in financial ruin, as he would later admit. Like he takes a bath on all of this money because he's basically day trading. He doesn't know what he's doing. Right. Now, the greatest, yeah, of course. The greatest advantage, again, just stick that money in an index fund, man. You'd have been fine. Give it to me.

You're fine all right. Just give the money to me. Give it the money to Dave. It'll work out just as well for you. Yeah. The greatest advantage of being born into money is that a setback like burning your life savings at age 16 does not have any consequences. You're not going to starve.

and you're not going to fail to meet any bills. You're just going to have to keep saving up birthday Rolexes until you can try again. So he does that, and he graduates high school as one of the top 10 students in Saudi Arabia. And I know you're wondering, did he really earn that honor or was it nepotism? And the best answer I can give is this.

Can you think of a real national education system that has a list of the 10 best students in the country? No. Because that's stupid. Real countries don't do that. No. No, they don't. You're right.

That's a good point. I mean, it's almost like, doesn't matter. Who are the 10 best students in America? Yeah. But it's like, what is it going to happen? Is he not going to graduate? There's no world where it's like, is he a good student or not? Who would fail him?

It doesn't fucking matter? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he's smart. We'll never know. Guy whose teachers will get shot for not giving good grades has good grades. News at 11. Right.

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So we're talking about Muhammad bin Salman. He's graduated high school at this point. He goes to college at a university named after his great-grandfather, King Saud. I'm sure he earned his admittance the hard way. And he gets a law degree. He graduates second in his class, which again, I'm sure he did the honest way. By this point, Mohamed bin Salman. decided to take another stab at trying to get rich on his own.

He makes the smart move of finally reaching out to actual professionals, businessmen in Riyadh, who were scared of pissing off the governor and wouldn't tell his annoying kid to fuck off. One imagines that Prince Salman puts in a good word with them on behalf of his son and perhaps maybe brings up some blackmail gently. However it happens, MBS winds up with $800,000 to try his hand at starting another investment portfolio, right? Wow.

He managed to bootstrap himself. begin to having even more money to try to make money with. Amazing. He invests in U.S. corporations, and this goes better for him. In 2008, when he's 23, he starts investing in the Tadal Wu Exchange, which is the Saudi Stock Exchange, right? Now, since nearly all of the companies on the Saudi Exchange are owned or run by the government, aka his family, it's pretty easy for someone like MBS to do what we would

call insider trading, which he would call calling his cousin who runs the company and says, hey, are you about to have any good news? Should I get some stock now? I'm surprised he even had to try. It reminds me the Stonecutter Simpsons episode where they're all just letting Homer win, where it's like, do you even have to call? Like, yeah, they could just, man. And it's a mark, it's a mark of how sketchy he still is at this, that he does get invested for insider trading. And now nothing happens to him, but he's still obvious enough that someone looks into it. Who looked into that? That's incredible.

Yeah. Someone who got fucking bone sawed. That's who. Right. To do something so bad or illegal that someone's like, okay, this is going to kill me, but I have to do something about this. I just can't ignore this, man. Yeah.

Now, MBS's first years after graduation are a blizzard of firms and businesses launched by him, usually in partnership with someone who needed favors from his dad or the royal family. Because he is somewhat willing to do real work, he does get appointed to some actual jobs. Oh, again, they're nepo jobs. He's made Secretary General for the Riyadh Competitive Council. He's made special advisor for a foundation named after his grandfather, that sort of stuff. He creates his own philanthropic foundation, cultivating leadership skills in Young Saudis. He's got his little Lebowski Urban Achievers program of his own, right?

And in 2009, he gets made special advisor to the governor of Riyadh, who is his dad. Now, this is probably the earliest clear sign that this middle son of Prince Solomon had somehow engineered his way into being a favored son of the era parent. This still puts him nowhere near the running for throne or for the, like, running the entire kingdom. His focus at this point is just on getting rich. Real estate speculation is finally how he succeeds financially in a big way. per that article in the Africa report, quote, MBS teamed up with landowners who agreed to give him a cut of the revenue generated by property sales to build developments on greenfield estates. The business model turned out to be lucrative, and the prince began to amass a small fortune. Then a rumor made the rounds that MBS had sent an envelope containing a bullet to an owner who dined to refuse to sell a plot of land to him.

Whether true or false, the anecdote earned him the name Abu Rasala, the father of the bullet within the royal family. that's the father of the bullet that is cool I think that's just a complicated way of saying a gun right like a father of a bullet is it more of a mother

bullets are more like eggs in a gun but also bullets or they're like more guns so maybe they're not good at yeah that's what HR Geiger would have argued

per the painting on my wall oh yeah HR Geiger would have done all sorts of things he would have been both and none at the same time Yeah, uh, Geiger.

Uh, Geiger. And again, that's also such like a, that is kind of like a weak-sauce version of threatening someone with murder is like just sending them an envelope with a bullet in. That is really funny. Because then there's something like, I guess the thing about mailing someone a bullet is that then you get to imagine that they had to like go out, get some stamps. put the bullet in the envelope, mail the envelope. Like there's just something like kind of silly about that threat

where it's almost like too much work. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It's just like kind of sweaty, right? Yeah, it's like when you watch seven and you're like, he had to mail that head, which means that he had to like go to UPS and like wait and line and like get it all wrapped up. And I don't know.

It just kind of takes the edge off when you think about that, a little too much. Father of the bullet's cool, though. When you get mailed a bullet, do you call me like, do you want to, like, shoot myself? What am I to do with a bullet here? Did you mean to mail me a bullet? Yeah, was this purposefully?

Were you sitting this doing an assassin? Like, like, what are we doing here? Yeah, I don't know. It's sweaty. It's very sweaty. His masterstroke, like, in terms of financial deals, is this deal he in 2008 with Verizon. Weirdly enough, that's how MBS gets his,

It's his major financial success. He takes a minority stake in a joint venture involved with one of his many companies to bring the fiber optic infrastructure to Saudi Arabia, right? This partnership helps boost MBS's growing stature, although it doesn't actually get off the ground, right? This is like one of his big deals and it never happens. But he doesn't get paid for it. And Prince Solomon has said to have bragged, my son made millions for the family as a result of this, even though, again, it doesn't work out, right? Like, all that matters is we got paid, you know? Well, fiber.

Did we get fiber optic? No. Fiber is like laser disc. You know what I mean? Where I feel like I was talking to someone like, oh, I can't wait to get fiber optic. And it's like, they don't, we have wireless internet now. Like, we're completely skipping over fiber optic. He's like that deadbeat dad who like promises his family, we're getting fiber.

And then he just gets like faster dial up. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that works too. Yeah. In late January of 2015, King Abdullah died. MBS's father, Governor Salman, had been the crown prince for some period of time, and so he becomes the king after the old king's death.

This was noted as being an unusually smooth transition, given the messy circumstances of the Saudi family in general. And the fact that this is smooth is seen is that there's kind of an agreement that now King Salman and the old king had. And basically, the former king is like, I will make you the king, but you have to appoint these people to positions in the government, right, who would otherwise be your rivals and agree not to fight them or have like bloodshed with them, right? So they kind of make an agreement before the old king dies to try to spare the kingdom any sort of power struggles. Saudi kings, as you

might gather, don't have to follow a strict family line to decide who gets power when they're gone. They get to pick a successor. Salman gets the job because he convinces the old king he was the most capable option and he promises to do a bunch of stuff that the old king says. Now he doesn't follow all of these to the letter. Before King Abdullah died, he had picked a crown prince that he wanted to be the crown prince for King Salman, the guy who would succeed if Solomon died. And this was Prince Mourkeen bin Abdullah Ziz, who at age 72, was just seven years younger than Prince, now King, Solomon. I found a write-up by Stephen Matthews who noted, what was interesting about Prince Merkin becoming crowned prince is that he was officially designated in a royal decree by former King Abdullah as next in succession after King Salman. after a further royal decree by King Abdullah stated that Prince Mourkeen would become crowned prince after Crown Prince Salman became king and cannot be changed by anyone.

Now, this doesn't last, right? And there's some speculation that because Merkin's mom was Yemeni, he was seen as an unacceptable heir. I think that King Salman just kind of knew the guy wasn't going to be a good successor. He was too old. And so after a few months, he picks a more capable successor. And this guy kind of steps aside. And the man he picks for the job is not his son, but his nephew, Mohamed bin Nayef, otherwise known as M.B.N., a very capable man who would have the misfortune of being the first person targeted for destruction by Muhammad bin Salman, who's going to succeed him as the crown prince.

And we will tell that story in part three. How are you feeling so far about this kid, Dave? Optimistic? You know, no warning signs, no red flags, seems fine to me. None at all. I'm sure it'll go fine. Yeah. You know, nobody saw it.

sawed up. No, nobody's sought up. He's mailed a bullet to some guy. I'm sure that's the worst thing he'll do. Yeah. I mean, listen, that's like real teenage edge lord stuff where it's like, I can see someone doing that here. I could see.

Yeah. Like if you, you know, I don't know. At least you get a free bullet, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's a free bullet. I guess. You can sell that to like a child.

Child doesn't know how much a bullet costs. They'll give you anything. They don't know that's not worth that much money. Yeah. Um, well, David, can any plug-olds to plug before we roll out here? Uh, same as before. Gamefully Unemployed. Some more news.

Google those things. If you feel like it. Yeah. Google those things if you feel like it. Oh. You don't still do it. Oh, yeah. Blue Sky, I guess.

Okay. Okay. Movie hooligan. Why not? I'm not really on it, but, you know, I'm on it. Yeah. Anyway, find Dave on the internet, harass him on the internet, find him on the street. Yeah, mail me a bullet.

Mail Dave a bullet. If enough people mail me a bullet, I'll have a shitload of bullets. That's right. I have no guns, but yeah. Those are as good as money. You could pay your rent-in bullets in some places. You actually probably can't. That might be illegal, but try paying your rent-in, no, they probably would take that as a threat.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dave, I think that's going to be all for, those of us here at Behind the Bastards and those of us here at David Bell. Until next week, continue not living in Saudi Arabia, unless you live in Saudi Arabia at which point, good luck. In which case, good luck, I guess. Either way, whatever.

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