Behind the Bastards - Part Two: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

We continue with the life and journeys of Romana Didulo, the Queen of Canada who defeated the Chinese Military underground and executed 2.7 million people.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quarzone Media. Welcome back. Sorry, I was doing Robert. I was doing Robert. It was fun. Yeah, well, I did it first. I'm always the first to be Robert if you don't count that guy who produced the godfather. I don't. But other than him, no other Roberts anywhere.

Ever. A lot of people are saying this. A lot of people are saying this. You're the only Robert. You're the only Robert. You're the only Robert. That's right. Only Robert.

Right. You would have met one if there was another. And if you have met one, you're a liar. Anyway, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about bastards. And this week about the Queen of Canada, Romana Digilo. Prop, Jason Petty, our guest. How you doing? I'm here, man. I can't wait to talk about Thita here that's where she's the... Queen of Canada. Commander and Chief. The Queen of Canada. Commander in Chief. Queen to Canada. The Canada first party of Canada for Canadians. If someone came up to me and said, I'm the commander in chief and you have to do what I say,

I'd say, I'm simply not in the military, motherfucker. I would probably have the same response. Her roommate would be like, oh, word. All right, well, your highness. Yeah, probably realistically like, oh, your majesty, excellent. Great. I'm going out of here. Fantastic.

All right, your majesty. Do you want some coffee? Because I was going to make some coffee. You're like, oh, shit, you got that royal money. Guess that means we can upgrade to, you know. I know. You know. Can we get HBO now?

You know what I'm saying? Guess we're getting that, that dope TV package. Like, who's up? Can we finally afford ESPN? Oh, no, of course, we can't afford ESPN. Even a royal salary can't pay for ESPN. The queen had to fucking pirate that shit. Yes.

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This kind of like shockingly mediocre and lazy griff that works way better than it ought to. Now, in any con like Romana was pulling, there's usually the initial grift, right? There's the play someone is intentionally making when they start down the road of decontal declaring themselves the queen of Canada or whatever, right? Yeah. There's like, this is my immediate plan for how I'm going to make money or make, you know, I sell famous or whatever, improve my situation by lying about this thing, right? And then that initial grift, either they achieve it, you know, in some cases, they meet their

initial goals and then they have to figure out, well, what am I going to do next? Yeah. In some cases, the initial goals prove impossible, but they get saying. Anyway, there's what, there's the initial grift, and then there's what the grift grows into over time as the leader and the followers become less and less more to reality, right? That's also the factor is that I think cult leaders in general, especially the ones who say, I'm an alien, I'm the reincarnation of Jesus, you know, I'm the secret king or the secret queen, when it's that sort of thing where I am this kind of person or being that I couldn't possibly be,

everyone believe that in those cases especially, the cult leaders generally start more sane than they end up. And it's kind of like getting crazy rich, right? If you get billions of dollars, suddenly you go from, I have to interact with the world. And my experience in the world is a mix of what I want to do and what other people want and how society is set up. And so there's times where I have to compromise. There's times where I have to do stuff I don't like. Like go to the DMV or stand in the Lina because that's just life in society, right?

And then when you're a billionaire, all that shit goes away. You get to opt out of everything everyone else does. Life is just a series of what you want in any given moment. and nobody can ever like challenge you or question you. And so you grow increasingly unmoored from reality and crazy, as we're all watching happen in public to all of the billionaires who run our society, right? Yeah. The same thing happens.

Exactly. And the same shit happens probably in a more accelerated and even more aggressive way. When all of the people around you are playing into this delusion that you're Jesus or a queen or a king or something, right? Like where you are pretending to be some sort of supernatural, infallible being and 100% of the people you talk to on a day-to-day basis are all buying into it. That damages your brain more. I'm not trying to make, oh, the poor cult leader, but it's like objectively, they lose their sanity the longer they do this because it's bad for you.

Yeah, I mean, there's, like, I think, I think you use the right word of like, this is, it's objectively breaking your brain. Yes, yes. Yeah, you're just, you are losing a complete grip. and yeah, you can't not know when you put your little single out for your new, your new, you know, uh, techno DJing career. You know what I'm saying? That like you, this song is objectively trash.

But like, yeah. Like if I were to start a cult where I convinced people that I was some sort of divine figure, I would also get like a part time job at a Barnes & Noble or something. Just that I had something outside of the cult business that I would like go to and like be around. And that way you can stay, you can keep yourself one step. ahead of the feds, right? You're not going to lose your mind too much. Every cult leader, go out and get a part-time job doing something normal, you know, if you really want your cult to go the distance. Anyway, just some free advice for the cult leaders out there. I feel it.

You know what I'm saying? The backup plan has to be solid enough to where you can maintain pieces of the grift, you know, and somebody might follow you there, but like. You have to Keep knowing what reality is, enough to avoid the pitfalls of reality. Yeah, yeah, you're not, yeah, you're not ended up. You're not ending up in the, you know, the John McAfee's situation. You feel me like. Exactly. You can't end there.

He's a great example, right? Yeah. Like, he went too far. He bought into too much of his bullshit and the world was not willing to, to float his delusions any longer. All right. Whereas you can't go with you to do. Whereas you compare him to the goat, right, to El Ron Hubbard.

Of course. Where, as crazy as he got and as many nuts things as he convinced people to believe, LRH always knew. Time to get in the boat. Time to leave. I gotta get out of this country. Fucking law is coming for me. Time to bounce.

I'm out. Listen, I may. I try to make my movie. It didn't work. Let's just go to the boats. Yeah. Time for the boats. Hit the boats.

You calling out L.R.H. The goat will never not be funny. He was the best. No one has ever been a better occult leader than El Ron Hubbard. It's kind of, right? He was the king of it. He was so good at being a cult leader. You know?

The fact that like, it still exists. Like, that's the crazy part about what. I was in LA last week or like three days ago and I ran past the Scientology building. It's still here. It's huge. It has outlived his legacy. Like that. Next to Elron Hubbard Boulevard.

Yeah. At that point, you have to like, no, you're the goat. Like we all, every documentary, every expose, we all know. But it's still sitting right here. I'm like, you win. You win, bro. Yeah. Anyway.

He did it. He did it. Yeah. So, uh, Sarteshi, Christine Sarteshi's write up gives us the best insight into what the original con that Didulo was going for might have been. An investigation biologically revealed that Whiplash 347 was one of the two main telegram hub channel leaders involved in recruiting individuals to invest in fraudulent cryptocurrency tokens described by experts as a large and well-organized Ponzi scheme.

Whiplash is the guy who like first backed Romana from the Q&on world. Okay. This Ponzi scheme netted the scammers approximately $2 million. The nature of Didulow's affiliation and a relationship with Whiplash 347 remains. So again, we don't know why this guy got in bed with her, but he was, he's like a crypto Ponzi scammer. And my guess is that was the original plan or something like that. For him. There was some sort of Ponzi scat.

Well, and she was involved too, where he was like, look, if you can get some juice behind you, we can sell your followers on some bullshit and split the money. That would be my guess. I don't know. My guess is something like that. Because of who this whiplash person is, that he's a Ponzi scam guy. and because there's no other reason for her to have suddenly started supporting DiJulow's claims other than he thought maybe she had the juice to get a following and he could

wrench a bunch of money out of her followers. That's the only thing I can think of, right? I don't know, but that would make sense to me. I guess the summer of not having any idea what crypto is either. But anyway. Right. Exactly. And just listening to whatever this guy says.

Totally. As the summer of 2021 began, Romana Didiolo added the title sovereign to her name. So her full honorific was sovereign head of state and commander and chief of the sovereign Republic of Canada. Love it. Again, you don't need sovereign twice. Love it. A head of state implies sovereign. Sovereign commander of chief.

The sovereign republic of Canada. Sure. But it's weird to do it the other way. Of Canada. You know what I'm saying? And there are, as you might guess, there's some sovereign citizen stuff mixed into this too. She's also part of that community. Some of her language, especially around like debt cancellation is very sobsit.

She refers to Canada. government of Canada. The illegitimate one is like an illegitimate corporation that's ruling Canada, very sovereign citizen adjacent stuff. Okay. Which is, again, it's an American. Sovereign citizens should be very wrapped up in America, an American law, but they're all over the world. Because all you need to do is just make a bunch of fake court papers for whatever country you're in and convince people, you know, anyway. Okay. So she announces as soon as, you know, this is in her first year as being the queen, and she starts announcing a bunch of new policies,

like any new world leader does, right? You start putting out, here's the big policies I'm going to do. Decative orders. These all sounded crazier in 2021 and 2022. They now just sound like actual policies of the U.S. government because she withdrew Canada from the United Nations, withdrew Canada from the WHO and canceled all foreign aid. She advised your followers.

So first off, we're just doing Trump stuff here, right? Like maybe, I mean, Trump's doing the Julo stuff, right? That's a Tuesday. He's dripping her off. Bar for bar, fam. Right, right. She advised her followers to prepare for a complete and total worldwide shift in financial systems. The world now lived under the quantum financial system, which in brief meant that everyone

who believed in the quantum financial system got a bunch of free money. And if you were poor and riddled with debt under the old, we'd say real financial system. Under the quantum financial system, you're suddenly rich. Right? Man, it's so great. Me and the other white hats are replacing the global economy with the quantum financial system. And now all the poor people have money, right? That's the idea.

I love it. As the father of two daughters, the amount of times I've had to sit down and eat and get paid money and eat, you know, imaginary meals. And you just have to go along with it. This tastes so good. And it's just a shredded piece of paper. I had so much imaginary tea. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

this is definitely given that. So my first thing is I am outlawing chores. Okay, baby. Okay. Sure. No more chores. No more chores. And all grownups have to eat vegetables for everyone.

Okay, baby, that's your new laws. Anyway, go on. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. And that's, you know, I, we can talk about how the laws should be. I do think that all grownups should have to eat the vegetables. I agree with that.

But not the vegetables off her plate. Those your vegetables. No, anyway. We're not going to agree on this because I'm a bedtime abolitionist prop. Oh, my goodness. Very anti-bedtime. That's a dude that ain't got kids. Let me take some.

You're damn right. Now, white kids, I'd be incredibly pro bedtime. Yes. So this nonsense she's peddling about the quantum financial system has its origins in another series of episodes we've done. A couple of years ago, I did a two-parter on Nesera and G-E-S-A-R-A-G-E-S-A-R-A, which is an old conspiracy theory, right? And it's an economic one. And Nessera and Jessera started out as a real series of economic reform propositions in the 1990s.

The origin of this is there were some actual attempts to reform our economic system that people misinterpret. And it becomes, by the late 90s, early 2000s, this conspiratorial belief that there's going to be a debt jubilee. So all debt will be canceled and an economic reset, right? which is a super, first off, in order to just kind of, because we talk a lot about how silly conspiratorial beliefs are and they are, I want to peel back a little bit because wanting to believe very badly in a debt jubilee, it's not only as like I understand why people would want that, but that goes back really far. I was going to say, it's pretty ancient.

The roots of Judaism and in a lot of ways. There's a lot. That's some Deuteronomy shit. Not that that's the roots, but in the roots of Judaism, there's a lot of talk about debt jubilees, right? It's all over the Bible. This is what used to be a thing. And part of it was if you've got a new king, this wasn't just a thing that happened in the

Judeo and Christian world, right? If you got a new king, and the new king, as often happens, maybe came to power through a little bit of conflict with whoever wasn't charged before. Or the new king really needs to establish and get like the support of the people. All your debts are clear. No one owes anything anymore, right? Yeah. It wasn't universal, but it happened a lot because it's a smart way to get people on your side.

Yeah, everybody's do over. Start over. Yeah. It's so normal. Everyone's credit card debt. If a guy became the president was like, all your debts are canceled, how would you feel about that president? I'd vote for his third term.

Probably better than you do about the current president. I'd vote for his third term. It's also like the preposterousness of saying that America is $4.9 trillion in debt. You're just like, yeah, that's not real money. Come on. Just hit zero, dude. Like, it's not, what are we talking about? Who's going to call that?

I mean, Europe theoretically could call some of it. Like, right? Like, that's part of the problem with those fucking around their allies. But also, realistically, who's going to do that? Who's going to do that and just nuke the global economy right now? Maybe in the future, when people have uncoupled themselves from the dollar, but it's not good for anybody. Anyway, whatever. I find this all interesting just because there's a really old desire to believe in stuff like this.

And it's a huge part of, there's all sorts of different expressions of this adjacent to and underneath the MAGA movement. there was a lot of talk within QAnon people about an economic reset. It was even this side belief that, like, for whatever reason, people should be collecting Iraqi dinars because Trump was about to, like, revalue the dinar and it would suddenly be worth a bunch of money for, again, weird conspiratorial reasons. But like a bunch of white people in the Midwest were buying, like, old Iraqi currency in their belief that it would make them rich one day. Hell yeah. Man, people in Iraq don't even want to take dinars. I've had to spend money there, and I usually spent dollars.

in euros. You know, nobody wants the fucking Dinar. They can avoid it. And a big chunk of like what gets taken out of Nessera and Jesser, this older conspiracy theory into the modern era, is this idea of a debt cancellation. It's prominent among mega people, prominent among, you know, the Q movement. And that's what she's tapping into. And it's a tantalizing proposition for desperate people living on the margins who are always the people most likely to find themselves drawn towards cults, right? Romana Didulo's teachings found their audience. followers had reasons to convince themselves. She was legit, including the fact, and this is my favorite, is once people decide they believe in her,

they have to work backwards to try to find evidence that, like, you know, there's all sorts of clues that she's legitimate. And one of the chief ones is that her name, Romana Digilo, is an anagram for I Am R. Donald. Like, I am the Canadian Donald. That's seriously enough proof for some people. Good stuff. Good stuff. Wow.

It must be so whimsical to believe in the world the way you do. Wow. Oh, man. These people are at the red light next to you. Like these are. Yes. Yes. And these people are at the, well, not in Canada, but in the U.S., they're allowed to buy all the same guns you are, which is not great.

Yes. They can all, their votes count as much as yours. Yeah. That part doesn't matter because voting isn't real, Sophie. the mushroom aliens inside Mount Shasta control all of our elections. But, you know, let's continue with the story. I am Ardonald. I am Ardonald.

I've been saying that for years, Sophie. You are Ardonald. Thank you. I'm going to find an anagram for Sophie's name before this is over. Donald Sutherland, I assumed who we're talking about. I've always considered you the Donald Sutherland of Cool Zone Media. At first I, like, Miss Huron, I thought you said Donald Sterling and I got real scared. I was like, whoa.

I don't know who that is. Good. Keep it that way, sir. But I know who Donald Sutherland is, because I just watched him in a not very good movie. Donald Sterling would be a great bastards episode, actually. He'd be a great bastards episode. I don't feel like you should leave that one, Sophie. Put him on the list. Put him on the list.

The list that never dies. Yes. So, to get back to Romana, once you start to feel as a cult leader, like you might, as a fledgling cult leader, right? Because she's spent months now building her telegram. She's got tens of thousands of people. She's getting traction. People are talking about her, right, within the Q movement. But she doesn't, she hasn't met any of them in person.

She's not like, I think she's taking some donations now, but she hasn't made a bunch of money off of this. I think this is the point at which you have to kind of make a plunge. Am I just someone who's created a weird little internet community? Or do I really have a cult here, right? And so if you want to answer that question, the next thing you had to do is stretch your muscles. So in June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand up. And by stretch your muscles, I mean, try to get your followers to do things in the real world. Before you take the plunge into like, follow me.

We're all going to live together and you need to give me all your money. You got to see, can I get them to do anything other than like hang out on my telegram, right? No, it's real. Yeah, yeah, it's smart. It's smart. She's got a basic, again. Maybe your song had a cool little TikTok audio. Yeah.

But like, you can't sell a concert ticket. You don't have a career. Yeah, you got to test that shit out first. Yeah, totally. This is part, I sometimes feel as I study these, because I never know, you never get, none of these, very few of these cult leaders ever admit to like, and I spent years reading about other cult leaders and how they did things that I would know what to do when I, you know, my time gave. They never say that. I assume some of them do. A part of me, I have this belief that there's, it's almost like, there's like a subset of homo sapiens that's like the cult leader.

and some people are just born with a set of like instincts that makes them like, because a lot of her behavior feels instinctual. Like you're feeling out how to make and keep a cult going, how to grow it. I don't know. Maybe it's like being the Jedi. Maybe it's like you've got enough midi-chlorians

and you can build a cult, right? And I've always said that on Hubbard was the Anakin Skywalker of American cults. But anyway, he really is. He really is, including the fact that he, got Ewan McGregor burnt his arms and limbs off. A lot of people don't know that about El Ron Hubbard, you know. He got Ewan McGregor to burn his arms off? Yeah, burn his limbs off.

Yeah, on a volcano planet where he kept his mansion. Yeah. Got it. Yeah, I sometimes mix up Darth Vader's lore and El Ron Hubbard's lore, but I think I've got it right this time. So when you start to think, you know, all right, it's time to get out into the real world, see if I can get my followers to do anything, right? So in June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand out cease and desist notices

to local businesses with mask mandates, right? Because she's really angry about the COVID mandates. She's angry about the lockdown. So she has her followers putting these up on businesses that require masks and basically anywhere that they'll get attention. And Sophie will put up on for the video version you can see, here's a copy of one of these cease and desists. I'm going to read it to you.

Notice to cease and desist, effective today, and there's a blank for the date. I am the witness of the law serving you a lawful document. Cease and desist order to stop immediately all unlawful COVID measures. This is very sovereign citizen language. I'm a witness of the law, serving you a lawful document. We are now living in a sovereign Republic of Canada and are no longer in Canada Incorporated Corporation. Which again, the doubling up on length, Canada Incorporated Corporation, huh? Your business is operating in the sovereign Republic of Canada.

Our newly appointed head of state, commander-in-chief, head of government of Canada, Ramonitigilu, by lawful order requires that we resume our lives back to normal and open our businesses to full capacity. All former COVID-19 measures and restrictions are unlawful, unscientific and unjust, and therefore invalid, Nolan Void. This means no more pandemic lies, no more masks, no more social distancing, no more temperature taking, no more lockdowns, no more quarantine or self-imposed isolation, no genocidal COVID vaccines, no vaccine passport and ID chip. If you still enforce any of the former COVID measures on any leaving, breathing, man, woman, staff, and customers, you are violating the all-caps universal human rights and are complicit in

crimes against humanity and will be prosecuted by we the people, military tribunal, under national law and common law by the head of state and commander and chief of Canada. And again, it's this mix of, it's all this American sovset language. The whole, the fact that you're coming back to we the people, that's not a Canada thing. That's not a Canada phrase, bro. That's like we, the American people thing. Some of the stuff too. She's a very international cult.

Yeah. Some of the stuff also sounds like very much like an English second language type like. Like, you know, and I, and I don't know, you know what I'm saying? Canada Inc. Corporation. Yeah, the Canada Inc. Corporation. Canada First Party of Canada. Yes. Yeah.

I was like, kind of sounds. It didn't hit me until I read it. And I was like, oh, yeah. It's giving that that movie that Gerson made us watch, Eddington from 20. I didn't watch it. Garrison made me watch that movie. Garrison can't make me do anything. I'll watch it one of these days.

I haven't gotten to it. I was like, oh, okay. Okay. But yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. So her followers start handing these out, right? And I know what you're wondering, reading all this. Okay, if someone still continues to enforce mask mandates or whatever after getting the cease and desist, what are the penalties?

Sure. They say that you'll be prosecuted by we the people and the queen. So how? To talk about that, here's a quote from one of Mack Lamaro's vice articles, summarizing Romana's rhetoric and the dynamics. of her community during this period. Let's keep this simple, did Ullo wrote recently. Death is the penalty for crimes against humanity. This was met with much jubilation from hundreds of followers.

Yes, wrote one. I'm so happy we have you, wrote another. She is the only one that is saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense. It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along, wrote a third. As much as I hate to see people being put to death, it has become necessary because the jerks just won't stop what they're doing, wrote yet another. Yuck! Yes. You get a lot there in terms of what's appealing while this person's saying she's the only one saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense because she's saying your debts are all about to go away.

All of the bad stuff that you think is genocide, the COVID stuff, that's all going away. It's all been wiped aside. It's hopeful, you know? Yeah. Instead of it, you just reading the real news, which is often depressing and really complicated. And it's very hard to figure out how can I help? How can I do anything to fix things? Instead, the queen's just saying, all the bad people are being put to death for wearing masks.

And your debts are about to go away. Just continue to listen to me and share my stuff online and send me money. And the world will be fixed. And how are we killing these people? What's her weapon? Like, what is she saying? Unclear, but they're being put to death in secret. Yeah.

They're being put to death in secret. Maybe it's psychic. Maybe it's psychic. do it with her psychic powers. That's how I do it. I'm psychically killing people all the time. All the time. Lyrically.

Yeah, exactly. I think. Lyrically murdering people. The homo sapient joint, like, in as far as like that gene to be a cult leader, like, I feel like even in listening to this, I think about this all the time, especially with like the whole politics stuff is like it breaks people's psyche that there are some things that are just out of your control. That there is nothing you. It can do. Yeah. There's nothing.

And I feel like COVID, like, really brought that out to where it was just like, it's a virus. Yeah. It just exists. Like, out of which, like, the earth has viruses. And I get, you know, I haven't spent a little bit of time in war zones. I get how, how people can wind up believing. Like, oh, I was, like, something nearly killed, killed me and it didn't. And I saw other people died.

I must have been saved. Yes. Because, like, I've had the experience of something like, you know, I was sitting at a fucking checkpoint, and the guys that I'd been smoking with drove off ahead of us and got blown up by a vehicle-based IED. And I guess I could be like, I was protected, but like, then why did God want those French people to death, right? Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's just a crap shoot and I got really lucky, you know? Yeah, I work on your theology, my gee.

Yeah, you know what I said? Yeah. I don't think he picked me. No, like some stuff just be what it is. Shit just happens. And I feel like, yeah, some shit is just, and it's just, and but the need to. tie up the loose ends and have a reason for and find out the source of and just like part of it is just like this like even just them saying man the lockdown sucks i'm like yeah nigga i know me too

fuck you want me to do like you're saying like that's just what it is this nobody wanted COVID it just happened you know so anyway uh i just think that like them looking for this answer she the only one making sense ma'am she don't make sense she don't make sense at all. She's not making any sense at all. She's not making any sense. You just gave up on comprehending the world because you got too scared and angry. Yes.

Yeah. And you see that too. We're like, I hate seeing people put to death, but the jerks just won't stop. First off, if you think a group of people need to be put to death for their crimes against humanity, and you call them jerks, they probably aren't committing crimes against humanity. Yeah. When I talk about, like when we talk about the Nazis. Yeah. No one's ever like, what a bunch of jerks.

They really were some jerks. Like, no, they were monsters. This is absolutely monsters. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, man. Boy, Saddam Hussein was a real jerk when he gassed all those Kurdish civilians, you know?

Man. Like, it's just not the way we use the term. It's just silly. Like, yeah. That ice agent was a real jerk for shooting that person in the head. Like, it's just not how you do it, right? When people, you believe people should be executed. That's not how you talk about them.

Anyway, it's very childish and very, it part of, like, language like that makes me almost wonder, how much do these people really believe it? Or are they just like, it's way more fun to spend my days pretending this is real than accepting the reality around me? I kind of think that is even more of it than I truly believe all these people have been executed, right? Yeah, totally. I don't know. Maybe I'm, I'm maybe reading too much into it. But you know who's never been executed for crimes against humanity prop? Which is an issue, man.

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The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately. The mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro.

This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness.

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Shoot to kill anyone who tries to inject children under the age of 19-19. years old with coronavirus 19 vaccines, bio-weapons, or any other vaccines. This order is effective immediately. So again, she gives a shoot-to-kill order for the military to kill anyone giving out any kind of vaccine. She follows up by editing shoot-to-kill to arrest because people do start, is she trying to get people murdered, which she is. Yes. So she does alter that slightly, but she's going to also repeatedly talk about executing people. She writes, please use airports, hospitals, schools, stadiums, and other public venues to hold and detain all traitors. They will stay there until military tribunal is held for each one of them until the day they are

executed via firing squad or hanging. So. Pita. Yeah. Friend. What military? What? The Canadian one, the one that she's commander in chief of, obviously.

Where? Well, in Canada, you know. Telegram. They'll find out. That's where all lawful military orders are always issued. issued through telegram pages, you know? So in that unique way the internet has, her community developed their own name for the armed men that she wanted detaining and executing doctors and political leaders, which kind of does

suggest that she's not in control of the military if you think that, like, you need to develop gangs of guys to detain and arrest and kill all the doctors. But the community name for these people is duck hunters. So whenever she refers to gathering her duck hunters, she's talking about the armed men that she wants to have murder all of the doctors and politicians who support masks and stuff. Got it. In a Vice article on the subject,

Mack Lamarrow posted a relevant screen grab from her telegram channel. He spent a lot of time in there, which will be up on the video version now. But you see one of her followers, and it's worth noting, her telegram name is Her Majesty, all caps, I am Queen Romana, right?

Like it's, you know, tied back to the whole I am movement. I am. She's using a lot of that language. One of her followers, a guy named Ron says, all set, I can bunk a few duck hunters in my home. I'm all set to hunting gear ready.

And then he posts a picture of several firearms on a countertable. Oh, Lord. Yeah, several different rifles and stuff. So that's an actionable threat. When I used to teach classes on counterterrorism and stuff like that, when I used to lecture, I would be asked a lot by like, and this is, you know, when I was at Belling Cat, I was doing trainings primarily for, for, like, journalists and NGO employees. And the one thing I was. I would get asked a lot, especially by journalists, because I'm talking people through all these telegram channels, how to find and follow different groups and different individual, like far-right

figures on telegram, which is still pretty significant place for them to organize, but at the time was even more of a hub. They would ask a lot, like, how do you know what to report on versus what not to report on? Because it's a sea of people talking about wanting to kill people and the guns that they have. And if you just, you can't publish an article being like, and here's another Nazi with a picture of a gun saying he's going to shoot people. I don't know where. I don't know when because that's not really like a story necessarily.

And it also is just kind of rile because most of the people don't actually do anything. Yeah, dilutes it. How do you tell if something is serious enough that you do need to start gathering more information report on it? One thing I would tell people is if you see a sign that someone or a group is starting to experiment with real world activism. So if you've got this group where people are talking about wanting to shoot their enemies, and they've started putting up flyers.

And papers right in a neighborhood or whatever or something like that. Or they've started showing up. Well, then that's a sign maybe this group needs to be paid more attention to because they're starting to do stuff in the real world. It needs to take you serious. Right? Yeah. So when we've got De De Deulo's followers going up to people that they see as targets that they

see as deserving of the death penalty and handing them cease and desists and also posting pictures of their guns and talking about gathering, that's the point at which I would say you need to take these people seriously because there's every chance at least one of them. going to snap and do something tragic, right? Yeah, for somebody to take that her little Microsoft word, little document, your cease and desist thing, print it, sign it, and then go do the thing? Yeah, you're telling me something. Yeah, that's someone who might be willing to do something more.

And that's a sign that a cult leader or that an extremist figure might have the juice to convince someone to do something, right? Because they're starting down that road already. In January of 2022, Ramana Didulo declared all debts in the kingdom of Canada were forgiven. Followers began to halt paying their credit card bills and mortgages, and she specifically encouraged this. She would even sometimes threaten people who were still paying their bills. Like not, she wasn't like following into people looking into people's finances, but she would say, like, if you are still paying these bills, if you're still paying off your student loans, if you're still paying your utilities, that means you don't have faith in my government. Oh my God, I'd be so frustrated if this was like my partner.

Like if you're your spouse. Yeah. And you're just like, you have to pay the mortgage. Like I'm done with your little telegram thing. And this is a huge, this is something that one of the things that Mac did a lot of work documenting as well as Serteshi is like the number of people who stopped paying their bills and would start posting like, hey, we don't have any power. and school's about to be back in session and I have a young son, I'm still not paying the power bill

because I know we're not supposed to, but when is the power going to get turned back on? Like, when are you going to be in charge again? Because I just feel like I can't, like my son needs to go to school and he can't get to school with that electricity in the house. You get stuff like that. People lost their homes

because they stopped paying their mortgages. Like people got evicted. People, I don't know if anyone died, but when you're talking about people, cutting off heating or cooling in certain times of the year in Canada that could get someone killed, you know? No, that cold is evil up there. Yeah.

Yeah. You could die. So we're now talking about someone who is like seriously endangering people. Yeah, this went from funny to like quick, you know, where I was like, you ain't pay your, okay. Yeah. I want to show you guys an image that was from a like a study, Christine Sarteschi published on Ramana Di Julo, where.

She's collected a bunch of different posts people have made talking about how they've stopped paying their bills and utilities. Okay. I'm going to read a couple. You can see like a clip of several of them here. I'm going to read one or two of them. I stopped paying my power in hydro bills when directed by QR. That's Queen Romana. Yeah.

And last month they shut off my utilities. I've been without power during some of the hottest days I've ever felt to add to the stress. My oldest cat passed away yesterday and I suspect it was due to the heat. I don't know what more to do. I can't keep waiting. I need power. I've been charging my phone and using the Wi-Fi. in here by McDonald's in the meantime.

QR. early this year, you said that Canadians do not need to pay for utilities. Recently, you have stated that it would be considered a war crime to turn off utilities. When do these royal decrees start to take effect? I've had my gas turned off by Sask Energy. I picked up the mail today and received a letter from Sask Energy legal department, saying I owe them for gas. They must not have gotten your memo. Account now he gives this account number, right? Like, these are people...

Oh, my gosh. They're still begging her, like, you can fix this. Here's my account number. Can you make this right for them, right? Hello, dearest H.R.M. QR. Her Royal Majesty, Queen Romana. Local transport services would not accept your decree 91 pertaining to free public transport services. They detained me and called the local police services. I explained and handed over the decree and asked them what criminal offense I was committing before handing over my personal ID. The officers would not identify themselves either. They did not hesitate to wrestle me to wrestle me to the ground after a very short time, five minutes for no reason, handcuff me and put me in their vehicles so that they could write an appearance notice. They told me to go to the police station and give my fingerprints three days before, going to court. A warrant would be put out otherwise. Question, no decree covers this situation to my knowledge. What new decree or amended decree can be applied with the cease and desist that we use? Best regards, love and light to you and your team. I bounce between, yeah, I bounce between

like dumbass. You're not caught up yet. You don't realize? Yeah. I bounce between like dumbass and like, oh, honey. Well, like, you know, honey. This is important because I both, it's important to have compassion and understanding for victims, I do try to reiterate, I think everyone has a point in their life and a cult that they could have fallen victim to, right? Anyone could wind up in a cult. That doesn't mean anyone at any point in their life could become a cold. I think there's things that can immunize you to it. We're not born immunized to it.

I think I can get points in my life, particularly when I was like 19 or 20 and broke and overwhelmed with the realities of being an adult. and like I had no idea what I was going to do for a living. I hated all the jobs I'd tried. I was like, miserable. I potentially could have fallen in for something, right? At that point in my life. I don't think everyone could fall for every cult.

And I'm just going to go ahead and say, the people falling for this cult are not the sharpest tools in the box. You know? Yeah, this, I mean, the second my. This is a particularly bad one to fall for. This is like, oh, honey, yeah, like, you know, look, man, If you feel like you need to, you know, wear, you know, a onesie for underwear. Like, all right.

All right, dude. Like, I, fair enough. You think Al Ron Hubbard has mind powers. He kind of did. You know? I mean, some of the biggest A-list celebrities are part of this. I could see how you could fall for it to be like, I'm trying to get the juice they got. But my friend, my friend, my brother in Christ, the heat's not on.

and you can turn the heat on. Clearly this lady can't stop them from turning off your heat, so I don't under... Yeah. Yeah. It's this, this is part of why I also believe. I just said, I don't think these are on the higher end of... I don't think these are the brightest cult followers that ever existed. That said, I do kind of suspect a decent number of them really do know deep down that this isn't real.

And so in that case, it's not even an example. of people not being super on the ball brain-wise, people are just, I think a lot of people are just choosing this as the delusion I want to be a part of. That this is more fun than my regular life. This is an adventure. It's exciting. I don't think that's an insignificant percentage of her people, you know? Not all of them.

Leave me to my delusions, yeah. Right. It's more fun than the real world, and it probably is. Didiilo informed her followers? Until you can't turn the light hole. Until you can't. And again, that's why you got to transition from just telling people to hurt themselves over the internet to hurting them in person in a caravan of RVs, which is where the story's

heading. So the Queen informed her followers. Is she the caravans? No, she's a part of that. But she doesn't start that idea. No, no, no, no. So the Queen informed her followers that military tribunals had actually been trying and executing Deep State Kabbalists since 2017 as part of what she was.

called the Nuremberg two trials. And I hate to backseat alternate reality here. But Turemberg was right there. I mean, come on. It's right. It's right there. Yeah. She currently claims for an idea of how bloodthirsty this is, as silly as it is,

she claims 2.7 million people have already been executed. Just like, that's like a third of the Holocaust or a fourth of the Holocaust, depending on how you count it? Like, that's a lot of people to have executed. of Toronto's gone. Okay. Yeah. Executed at the command of, quote, our galactic federation of worlds of light beings,

because by this point, she's brought aliens into it. We're in space. We're in space. There's alien white hats. They're fixing everything for us. They're going to solve all of our problems. You know, and again, this is all a la carte bits and pieces of other cults, of other conspiratorial beliefs.

And like, there's a little bit of Star Trek in there, right? This is a denuguan. bowl. Right. All right. Queen Elizabeth, at the time the closest pick for actual Queen of Canada, right? Because she's like the, they're like, you know, kind of part of the, they're part of the common. They're part of the common. Yeah. Yeah. And she was alive at the time. But Romana claimed, no, she was not. She had been executed previously, like in 2018 or 2019 or something. I don't know exactly when she says the queen was executed. But sometimes Romana would claim to have executed the queen personally, to have actually killed the queen herself.

Oh. And, you know, this is the case with a lot of fake. Like, for example, Joe Biden, who's the president when she starts her thing? No, no, no, no, he's not. He was executed. He's been replaced with a fake. Trump's running things. Or actually not.

She doesn't believe Trump's running things. She believes the King of America's running things. Oh, from Phoenix. Biden's a fake. Yeah. She first started to gain serious notoriety as a result of her imposition of the death penalty on basically every medical professional in Canada. But as time went on, her regular threats of execution and death became a key marker of the movement.

As I noted earlier, followers began describing themselves as duck hunters while posting pictures of their purported firearms. To the extent that any strategic thinking was at play at all here, I think part of what Romana was doing with this initially was trying to expand her fan base into the United States. Any half-aware cult leader has to know that we're where the big bucks are. You're just leaving money on the table if you don't think of a way for crazy Americans to follow along with the alter. reality game that you've turned your life into. Literally down the street. We're right around the corner. You have to go get it.

You gotta get involved, right? You gotta try for some of that, cash. She would send messages in her telegram that read, quote, American brothers and sisters, in parentheses, gun owners, and all American military veterans, please be ready to load those four by four flatbed trucks and trailers of yours. Just in case, I, Queen Romana of Canada, decides to issue a special royal invite for you all in a short notice,

hashtag duck hunting. Oh, and please bring extra guns and ammo. Oh, man. I just love that American brothers and sisters, gun owners. That's what I mean when I say American brothers. You guys with guns. All I read was my American brothers and sisters, peepo. Poo, pew, pew.

And I thought of those, like, fucking clowns, those, like, racist people that had those gun, that couple that had guns at that protest. Oh, in front of the little one, she had the little piece of it. The little piece of those. That's who I'm thinking of. the American military, why do you need a bunch of random Americans with guns to do your killing? My American brothers and sisters. Were I the most magpilled person?

I would get this and be like, we have to go. Like, we have to go see what this is. This is the funniest. I'm taking my guns across the border. They'll let me. I'm going. Like, I would be like, we're going. We have to go.

Like, let's just, we have to go. You know? Yeah. It's just the little gun lady. Yeah. Oh, Lord. Okay. So, in late 2021, did Yulo brag that she had about 100 duck hunters ready to do her bidding.

A telegram group was briefly created for these followers. And according to our friends at the Q&Nan Anonymous podcast was immediately infiltrated by researchers, which probably goes part of the way to explaining why that group is defunct now. Okay. The larger part of why that group no longer exists is explained by the following story. On December 3rd of 2021, one of the Queen's followers was arrested after making threats to shoot people at his daughter's school. Provis, quote.

The post was made inside a private chat for Canadian duck hunters. The post featured the details of his daughter's school, which was offering vaccinations to their students. He wrote, time to go hunting, bang, bang, at the end of the post. The post has since been removed. It is unknown why or who took it down. I think I know why or who? I think because this guy got in trouble.

Because, again, if I'm a journalist seeing that, or if I'm fucking a mounty seeing that, that's an actionable threat. Yeah. Also, I was pretty close with PewPhew. Yeah. Wow. So subsequent investigation by Vy. Daughter's school?

Yeah, his daughter's school? He's been making her get vaccinated. Queen says I can kill him. Shouldn't I? You know? Oh, she is the queen. Yeah, okay. He and his family were all seemingly followers of Digilo, taking her advice to their,

it's logical conclusion, right? All this brought Romana her first real world consequences, the RCMP, aka the Mounties, carried out a wellness check on her, and she was briefly taken into custody, although no charges were ever filed. Again, these people are never, like, punished. I would argue,

I don't think it's a violation of free speech to say, if you're telling your followers, go murder all of the doctors for doing vaccinations, and then one of them threatens to do a school shooting because of what you said, you're somewhat liable to that. I think you're liable, man.

You cross the bounds of free speech. saying as the sovereign leader, kill these people. Yeah. That's a bit of a thing. Yeah, it was all funny games until, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I can, the wellness check part was,

was I shouldn't have found funny, but was also funny to me where they was like, baby, are you okay? Yeah. So, up until 20, the start of 2022, Romana was a figure of growing importance on the conspiratorial fringes of Canadian politics, but not someone who'd ever impacted the real world in a big way.

In fact, the queen had never been seen in public. That all changed in late January when a group of self-described truckers began occupying downtown Ottawa. This is what you were talking about, right? The big truck convoys in like a month, really fuck up life in Ottawa for a while. Their demands were, shall we say, inconsistent,

incoherent, and largely motivated by right-wing grievances. Right? This is not a super rational movement with a lot of like specific things that they want that aren't insane. But there were a lot of them. And for weeks, swarms of trucks and RVs choked the city like a boa constrictor. And the sheer spectacle made it the most exciting and potentially lucrative moment in recent history for Canadian right wing figures. Right. Yeah.

This is a thing where Ramana's not on the ground floor of this. She doesn't help start it. But she sees this and she just hears a cash register. Yeah. Right. There's attention. If I can show up, a bunch of that attention will come my way and I can get money. You know, a lot of people.

This is the case, you know, in a lot of things. You can talk about on the left wing, we had our version of this during like the 2020 uprisons. We were a bunch of grifters who were like, if I just show up at these things, I can start getting a lot of money, right? Yeah. You know, so Romana made the decision to break her isolation and display herself in public for the first time.

By this point, she had accumulated a kind of. of inner circle, right? A primitive one. This is like, we're not fully occult yet. You've got those trappings, but she doesn't have any like real world followers quite yet. This is what's starting to happen. And the first of them were these people that she had appointed to moderate her telegram channels. These are kind of her initial inner circle. They were a married couple of genially deluded Canadians named Corey and Daisy. When the queen announced she was going to show up at Ottawa in person to take control of the situation, she pressed Corey and Daisy into service and had them pick her up from her home outside of downtown Victoria, BC.

The couple found their queen living in a small, filthy, and crowded room, more like a storage space than a home. As soon as they showed up, Daisy related later, quote, we went up there and then she told us, oh, don't call me queen right now, because everybody here knows me as Romana, and nobody knows that I'm living a double life. Now, that's both inconsistent with what she claimed about her roommate previously, but also, why don't, why don't your roommates know that you're in charge of everything. Why are you secret? You talk about this online. Like, you're not hiding your existence from the rest of the world. Why can only your roommates not know? How do you not walk into that and go, oh, man, and then just turn around and leave? You know what? We got conned. We got conned. Sorry,

it's a fake. Again, because they wanted to have fun, right? I think because they wanted to have fun. Yeah. That's, I think, as much thought has got put into it, really. Like, Because these people do leave, so they're not crazy. They're able to, like, catch up with reality. I think it was fun. I think at this point it still is. And you know what's really fun? Tell me what's really fun, Robert.

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Malcolm X and Ryan Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr., and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago.

This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off.

You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years, he's like a season 12. pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people.

Your predator might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of why? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

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and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. So, as you might pick up on by the fact that they talk to the press later, Daisy and Corey get illusioned comparatively fast.

And this begs the question, how did anyone fall for this con for any length of time? Yes. And I think there's some interviews that make the basics of what they were doing pretty clear. Did you lo and her followers were all people who felt like something was missing from their lives. Yeah. For Romana, this was being a queen because she was not special. She was not someone who the world said was special, right? She was someone who was living on the margins, probably a fairly difficult life, probably a life without a lot of, you know, fun to it because she's struggling the whole time.

And not a life in which people show deference to her. And so becoming the queen, people are suddenly treating her with respect. They're waiting on her hand and foot. There's going to eventually be money in this. But what do our followers get out of it? Well, I mean, I think they're all people who want to play at being the special boys and girls with a special world saving quest, right? Romana offers them a fantasy and they chose to take it. I don't know how else you explain this level of willful delusion.

And to emphasize that, I'm going to quote from one of Max's articles for Vice. Corey and Daisy drove Digilo to meet about 50 cheering fans at the launch point of her convoy behind Victoria's Parliament building. One person broke into tears upon seeing her. Vice News also attended, and Digilo refused to answer any questions when asked. From there, five vehicles, including several rented RVs and about 15 people began their trek towards Ottawa at a breakneck pace. And, you know, just the fact that, like, you show up and people will break into tears seeing you because they're so overwhelmed with emotion and how hopeful, like, that number one, that's someone who has definitely drank the Kool-Aid.

Yeah. And that's also addictive for someone like Romana, you know? Like, maybe I am. Like, maybe I am. Yeah, people worshipping you. Why would I ever go back home? You know? Backs.

Yeah. How she's going to react to this. Chris Cowan, a videographer, fell in with the group for a while when they passed through Calgary. He later recalled the pace that they took as aggressive with Romana micromanaging everyone's position in the caravan. If we were not within sight of the vehicle, we would get a call to go faster, he said. This would prove to have been a warning sign for the future. Once they reached Ottawa, Romana and her following, which is like a little more than a dozen people. And, you know, when you add in the locals in Ottawa, maybe there's a couple dozen people.

It's a little unclear to me the exact numbers, but it's not huge. But it's, you know, a lot for someone like her to suddenly have waiting on her hand and foot. But they run into conflict very quickly with other right-wing protesters because this is a huge movement. There's a lot of people in Ottawa. And while they're all people we might call right-wing cranks, most of them don't believe that Canada has a queen who fought off the Chinese military and underground tunnels. Most of them don't believe that. That's what I'm trying to say. Maybe they're racist.

Maybe they don't like lockdowns. Probably do believe some bullshit about COVID, but they don't believe this, you know? for this moment when she run into the rest of the rest of it, they was like, and they're like, wait, what? No, people say we, people say we crazy. She's crazy. And this didn't work well because one of the first things she does is, as I noted above, the Canadian government is Canada Inc. Corporation, which is an invalid evil corporation.

She's the sovereign republic of Canada that she's governing, right? Yeah. So she burns a Canadian flag. Oh. The purpose of this is it's symbolic. of her symbolically destroying the corrupt corporate Canadian government and replacing it with her own legitimate regime, right? However, a bunch of angry conservatives

just see a woman who is not white light a Canadian flag on fire. It always gets you. Right? That doesn't go over super well. I was waiting for the Filipino part to play a role. Here it is. All right. Yeah.

So this causes some tense standoffs and a lot of yelling. And a chunk of her followers leave at this point, actually. These are people who had not gotten that deep into it, right? This is just starting. They're like, ah, you know what? This ain't for me. I don't like this lady.

I don't like what she's doing. But like, wait, actually, this does not see very chill. I ain't know we was going to burn flags. Yeah, I didn't know we were doing that. I ain't know what was getting this far. Yeah. What's interesting to me is that Digilo's reaction to this, I went back and forth as to like, what should you do?

Should you apologize? Should you try to explain yourself? Should you try and repair? She refuses to apologize and refuses to admit any wrongdoing and instead starts attacking the truckers. Because she saw, she's very frustrated, right? She's a queen. She sees this as disobedience to her rule. And she also sees she had really been hoping this would go over better for her that like,

this is what's going to make me to a major national figure. I'm going to take over this occupation. Yeah. And this is how all maybe, maybe she. even thought she was going to physically take over the government this way with a huge caravan of weirdos, I don't know. She could have totally just played that so much cooler, be like, no, you guys don't understand. I'm the queen of actual Canada. I'm the queen. That's not even our flag. We just got to get rid of this bad flag. Yeah. Unfortunately, people just aren't playing along.

Even Fox News refuses to her, if you humor her, because they have no, the, whatever journalists they've got on the ground has no idea who she is. At one point during the occupation, she comes across a Fox reporter who's interviewing truckers. And she, like, tries to insert herself in the situation. And because she is who she is, she's live streaming this whole time. So she tells her followers, oh, Fox is requested that I sit for an interview. And then she tries to, like, barge in and talk to the reporter. And the reporter's not at all interested in her, right?

And so she's like, don't you know I'm the queen of Canada? And he's like, oh, I had no idea. Yeah. Like, I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know. Actually, can you just wait right here, security? Like, you know, and just. Yeah.

We're going to get to you right now. Yeah. And this goes over really badly. She gets pissed and replies, I'll make sure your commander in chief in the United States Army knows about it. Again, not in the Army for one thing. She's not talking about Grandpa Joe. No one calls it the commander in chief of the army either. It's the whole military.

Anyway, whatever. And again, she's also, I should state, when she says, I'll make sure your commander in chief knows about it. She's also not talking about Joe Biden. She's talking about that dude in Arizona. Carl, Arizona. Yeah. On the whole, the trucker rally was a failure for her movement. Her posts about this period show a deep jealousy more than anything else. She is really unhappy with the fact that, like, other grifters are seeing more success than her, and she's kind of being ignored. But I'm the queen. Yeah, I'm the queen. Don't you guys know I'm the queen? Like, come on here, right?

It's video. The queen. Sheesh. Yeah, come on now. So, yeah, you see a lot of jealousy in the stuff she's writing at this time. I want to give you an ex. This is a quote from her telegram page. The ancient royal families, white hats military, and global alliance, galactic and intergalactic alliance federation of worlds of light beings have been working for thousands of years to free planet Earth. And suddenly you say truckers freed the world?

Get your head out of the toilet bowl, eh? Oh. She just type like a Canadian. That's good. That's the greatest. Oh, man. Yeah. You guys aren't saving the world.

The aliens are. Oh, the truckers did it? Oh, yeah, sure. Thousands of years this plan's been in work. Yeah. The truckers didn't do anything either, just FYI. Right, right. And this is the kind of thing.

This is a failure kind of for her. She doesn't hugely increase her visibility or her number of followers as a result of this. But it's a success in that. She's now just spent days living in RVs, which are definitely nicer than her house. For sure. She's got like a dozen or more people who believe she's the queen and are talking to her like she's a god almost. And she's got hundreds of more followers online sending her money and tens of thousands of people reading what she's saying. Life's good.

Life's a lot better now than it used to be. Why don't I just let it ride keep this going? And so she decides I'm going to continue living in a caravan of RVs with my followers as long as I possibly can. I don't want to go back. So this is, there's a little bit of a hiccup here, which, because while they're living in Ottawa, Romana, they rent an RV, at least one of the RV, I think a couple of the RVs they rent, they use are rented. And when they're renting their RVs, the occupation's going on. And the people who run the rental place are like, okay, but you can't take this to Ottawa for that big stupid occupation thing. Because all the RVs, they are getting trashed. People are like living in filth there and destroying them and we're not going to take that risk. you're not allowed to do that. And they're like, we absolutely aren't going to Ottawa. And then they drive to Ottawa.

And they don't realize that like RVs cost a lot of money. The cheap ones are like 50 or 60 grand in a lot of cases. And many of them are like more than a quarter of a million, $200,000, $100,000. They're expensive products, right? And you don't rent something like that to a stranger without tracking it. And so the RVP, yeah, yeah. So the RV people realized, and they called them like, you have to take these back immediately.

And they do take them back immediately because she's not the queen. And she doesn't want to wind up on the hook for a shitload of money for these RVs that they would have been stolen. Yeah. Right. And I already know she waived the insurance. Right. Yeah.

Definitely. She's not wasted money on that. But I feel like that's really interesting to note because that shows a level of like understanding right and wrong. decision making and like on being a little bit financially aware. That's very interesting to know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So she has to, while these RVs get returned and she figures out how to set up a better situation for themselves travel-wise, she has to put her whole cult up in a hotel for like a week, which is strains the movement's finances. They were making money, but it's like thousands maybe in the low tens at this point. And between renting RVs, paying for gas to drive across Canada, keeping more than a dozen people in hotels, you're going to run through that fairly quickly. Yeah.

And you're going to run through it even more quickly because Romana started making, we just talked about like, well, she's capable of some sort of rationality because she had them take the RVs back. She's also making objectively irrational decisions with her money. Case in point, and I'm going to quote for an Aklamrose article here. For a good period of that time, Corey and Daisy said Digilo made them keep a room open for more than $300 a night just in case Russian president Vladimir Putin dropped by. I invite President Putin to join the NATO alliance to continue to preserve peace and prosperity around the world. She said in the telegram live stream from one of her hotel rooms, I welcome you to the kingdom of Canada. She would later claim that Putin gifted her an autographed watch. An autographed watch.

I just love the idea. You got to keep a room open for Putin. Sharpie? Like, you just write on a watch? I just love the idea of Vladimir Putin at a $300 at a $300 at a NATO hotel. Sophie, you're laughing. But I have a spare room in my house that is kept ready at all times in case Vladimir Putin drops by. And I think he will one day.

At this point, I'm back on the team of the followers to be like, can I just, I'll just stay in the room. Yeah. Until he gets there. Until he shows up. Is that cool? But it's giving leaving the clothes out for LRH to come back. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. Well, there's a lot of, there must be frustration. Because a lot of these people are like sleeping two to a room. Right? Yeah, yeah. Because they don't have much money. And there's like an empty room for Vladimir Putin so he can join NATO. I'm sorry, it's so funny.

But she just left NATO. I love it. All right. Yeah, yeah. So the story of the autographed watch from Putin is a good case study and how Digilo warps and alters reality haphazardly to buttress her delusions of grandeur. She was in fact brought a watch that looks from a distance like it might be a Rolex. And she was given this watch by a large,

man, who might be Russian, named Marcus. I'm going to show you a picture from Christine Sarteshi's study of Marcus handing her this watch. This is great. But there's like this big square-jawed guy smiling. He's got like a vaguely military-looking jacket on, standing next to Romana and her white coat. They're both holding the watch. She has a very serious look on her face. But he could just be.

Next to an RV that has her portrait on it, her majesty, Queen Romana. Yeah. He could just be an ex-examination. on that season of Stranger Things been there in Russia. That's what I'm thinking. And it's got, you can see her little flag, which is like a maple leaf that says,

God loves you, which is a nice message for someone who mostly talks about executing people. This is great. I know what you're asking. Who's Marcus? Is he connected at all to the Russian government? Is he Russian?

I don't know. I have found nothing about him other than this photo. I like Tartishi took. Or has. I don't think she took. I like my theory. My guess would be that he's a minor figure in the Q&on world.

I don't know, though. Maybe he's just some guy who would have watched for her, and she cooked up the rest, and he agreed to play along. Maybe he came to her with the lie. I'm sure it's a fake Rolex. I can't tell it. There's too distant to photo. There's no way that's a real Rolex. Yeah.

So after the, and it's very funny, she's really obsessed in this early period. And this isn't like the last few months before Russia's expanded innovation. of Ukraine. She's really talking about, like, I'm working with Putin to make peace. He's going to join NATO. Everything's going to be fine. He would never invade Ukraine. Putin's on the side of the white hats. We're all working to get rid of the evil deep state cabals. Man, you couldn't keep my electricity on. Yeah, like your followers cat died because he didn't have cooling in the summer. Okay. So as Russia starts to move troops and mass, mass troops on Ukraine's border and then invades.

She's before the invasion saying nothing's going to happen. And then once it starts, she takes to the air to tell her followers, the Russian army is only in Ukraine to clear out the deep state and no civilians are being heard whatsoever. Got it. Just stop at the deep state. Again, you'd think that this is an obvious lie made even clear. Again, some of her followers, there's a sizable Ukrainian DS for a population in Canada. Mac Lammer will say that, like, people were getting calls, people in Ukraine were getting calls from family members who bought into this stuff being like, you guys will be fine.

Like, that's just got to be really, really infuriating. Furious. So in her article in the subject, Sarteshi writes, quote, Digilo also announced that she and her team were planning a trip to Russia to meet with Putin. For the trip, she and her team were to fly aboard Air Force One, the plane used by the president of the United States, which Digilo said she would be renaming QDU. months prior Digilo stated that she had been asked for and received Air Force One. Digilo would soon be traveling on QR1, but not before the aircraft was repainted with her insignia. Digilo stated that North Korea's supreme leader Kim Jong-un has placed Digilo's self-created

flag on all of his government buildings, kept her framed photo next to his, and said that she was personally invited to coordinate a state visit to Pyongyang. Digilo has also claimed that the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club personally offered to provide her with security, and that Muhammad bin Salman, the crime. crown prince of Saudi Arabia is a personal friend and her brother. Digilo has said that she's in frequent contact with MBS so that he regularly watches her live streams on telegram and he sends her large sums of money. This, she is wonderful.

Oh, man. Great, great. Oh, man. Great stuff, ma'am. Covered every base. You got them all. You got them all. No, really.

I'm the homie. I'm not a homie. If NBS is sending you money, why can't you just buy RVs, you know? I was going to say, why are you renting them? It's not even. It's not even the Arby's, but if MBS is sending you so much fucking money, why are you, why are there three people to a hotel room? Why is the hotel room a $300 hotel room? If it's at MBS.

Where's the plane? Where does the Air Force One go? If he gave it to you. Also, why do you need Hell's Angel security if you're the commander in chief of the Canadian military? Listen, listen, listen, because she good in the office and she good in the streets. I got them both. I got them both. She's got a both set out.

Right. Sometimes you, sometimes you need to roll. with some guys who know how to get things dug, right? Exactly. That's right. Okay, but then what? Keep going. Sophie. I need to know.

The thing is, why she ain't pull up no Canadian gangsters? Then what happens? There's no Canadian gangsters, prop. They're too polite. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. What are they doing? Smuggling maple syrup?

Come on. Then what happens. You guys can commit murder. Tell the rest of this story, I'm dying. here. Okay, please tell the rest of the story. So as her semi-permanent road trip rolled on, Queen DiJulo continued her well-worn tactic of recording live streams and YouTube videos and posting on telegram. She became increasingly open about her real origins, which of course were not as an orphaned Filipino immigrant, but as an alien from outer space. The website rapper interviewed

Christine Sarteschi for an article on Queen DiGulo. Quote, she has talked about being from the planet Arcturus, so there's an alien element to this, Sarteschi explained. She thinks that she has been sent here in sort of a divine way from God, master creator, that she has been sent here to save people. Digiloh does not shy away from claims like these in online videos. The Arcturians are the most advanced. Like the Yoda, she has said. The Arcturians? The Arcturians.

Got it. Okay, go on. They're the most advanced like the Yoda. The Yoda. The Yoda. I think she's talking about like Yoda. Like from the Star Wars movie, but she just says the Yoda? That's not his species, I don't think.

That's his name, man. That's his name. I don't think the species is the Yoda's, although I don't know that we have a name for the species. It's probably somewhere in the expanded lore or some shit. Maybe they retcon that. Either way, it's not the Yoda. This is like the most worked up I've been in an episode,

and I'm really sorry to listen. It's like losing my mind. It is so funny. I learned all my powers from the Marx. Yeah, from the Marx. Oh, my God. The Yoda. She has said, I am not a dictator.

I am guided by the highest divine beings, and I am here to deliver peace and prosperity. you know? Sure. That's believable to me. Go off. I think that's all real, you know? And I think that's a good place to end part due.

Oh, my God. We'll come back next week. This ran a little long with a third parter, and then next week we'll also have a separate one-parter episode. So you'll get your two episodes next week. Don't worry, folks. I can't believe there's more. We just wound up having a little bit too much fun with Queen Romana.

It's a nice little break from all of the crimes against humanity and murders. Although she's mostly talking about it. I'm going to try to calm down before part three, but I can't promise anything. I can't believe there's another part. Sophie, Sophie, take some of the wisdom of the Yoda, you know, relax or don't relax. There's no trying to relax. Relax I am. Okay.

Listen to hood politics. This episode. I'm glad you're, you're tight with the Yoda. I'm tight with the Yoda. The Yoda. The Yoda? The Yoda. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. Anyways. Do we believe that? I know we believe it's real. I know there's people who believe Yota's real.

There's people who believe that all of the fiction stuff is real. I wish Yodda was real. So cute. Don't tell people things. They don't, you know, you can't make jokes. You can't have fun in the world. There's too many people who will just believe whatever crazy stuff you say. It's unfortunate.

Anyway, B. It has an island in which children are hunted for sport by the wealthy. you know, go out into the real world and take action based on this totally true thing that I told you. Not a lie. And not just a bit for a podcast. Rory cut that. Rory, fucking cut that.

Robert, we can't. Keep it in, Rory. Keep it in. Keep it in, Rory. Fuck off, Robert. Fuck off.

Yeah, it's okay. We've said it's a joke. It's fine. It's not fine. Roy, fucking cut that. I... Keep it in, Rory. Keep it in.

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