Bein' Ian With Jordan - Breed Me W/ HATEBREED's Jamey Jasta & Lizzy Cassidy | Bein' Ian with Jordan Episode #164

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

In Episode 164, HATEBREED's Jamey Jasta & comedian Lizzy Cassidy plop down with Ian to discuss life on the road, how rock & metal have changed since the 90s, & the real reason lineups aren't as diverse as you think they should be. Sub to the Patreon for early episode access and bonus Patreon only episodes/content: https://www.patreon.com/BeinIanpod IAN FIDANCE | WILD HAPPY & FREE | FULL STAND UP SPECIAL: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-30PenMy1O8 JORDAN JENSEN | DEATH CHUNK: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ytsilX-QL3s&t=2s Podcast Merch Here!: https://www.coldcutsmerch.com/collections/bein-ian-with-jordan-podcast -Try your first month of BlueChew for free, just pay $5 for shipping. Use code SKA at https://www.bluechew.com -Support the show & switch to Mint Mobile. New customers get 3 months of their Unlimited premium wireless service for $15 a month. Head to https://www.mintmobile.com/SKA -Support the show and get 10% off your first Zippix order with code IAN at https://www.zippixtoothpicks.com Follow Jordan Jensen: @jordanjensenlolstop https://instagram.com/jordanjensenlolstop See Jordan Live! - https://punchup.live/jordanjensen Follow Ian on Twitter, Twitch, and Instagram: @ianimal69 https://instagram.com/ianimal69/ See Ian Live! - https://punchup.live/ianfidance Follow Jamey here: https://www.instagram.com/jameyjasta Buy HATEBREED's new album Weight of the False Self here: https://hatebreed.com/wotfs See HATEBREED on tour! - https://hatebreed.com/tour Follow Lizzy Cassidy Here:https://instagram.com/lizzycassidy/See Lizzy Live! - https://linktrr.ee/lizzycassidy Please RATE, REVIEW, and SUBSCRIBE to Bein Ian with Jordan on all platforms! Produced by: James Webb https://instagram.com/thechicagopro/ Intro song: “Bein Ian with Jordan” by Wesley Schultz and Ian Fidance Outro song: Title Holder “It Doesn’t Matter” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Telling jokes and having smokes Riding bikes all through the night It's a wild ride When you're being in Coffee ice no matter what Now you know he likes it in the butt It's a wild ride When you're being in

Being in And life is shit with you're positive Let's find out what it's like to live Alight Being Ian With Jordan Hey I'm a big fan of you man But I think Joe Rook gets better

Oh by the way Welcome to the show This is being Ian with Jordan Jordan is away on assignment Promoting her special Take Me with you September 9th on Netflix in the interim. I am excited

to be here. I have my good pal, Lizzie Cassidy. We just had an incredible episode with Guar. She's a huge Gwar fan and it was very, very fun to watch and... To watch me blush. Yeah, yeah. To watch her just fucking just splooge

off the couch over a guy with udders. Yeah. It was great. But on the podcast today, I am so excited. One of my all-time favorite, it's satisfaction is the death of the desire is a blueprint of everything that is good and it is

completely surreal to have you in my house, in my basement, in the Delaware den. The great, the wonderful, the one, the only, Jamie Joste. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. And I agree with you about Guar because, you know, if you haven't seen Guar, I don't even trust you. Like, you can't even,

you can't even be a punk rocker or a metal kid or a hardcore kid if you, if you haven't at least... You haven't been covered in blood. It's like required reading for sure, yeah. It's a right. of passage. Yeah. Who were,

who were the guys coming up? Like, because when you got, like, the Connecticut hardcore scene in the 90s is like, it's almost like reading stories of Vikings and like middle earth of just like the,

like what it was and like hearing these stories. You're just like, did that really happen? Like, I didn't know. They made people like that. Yeah. Like,

I don't know, man. I wish I was a wreck because I got into hardcore and everything in like 99, but I only. really stayed in Philly and Jersey and Delaware and then I was in a ska band so you know like getting a bunch of people playing trumpets out to see you guys is like a hard sell so wait did you see guar when they did the ska turn for a minute there didn't you get to see that no but sadama gogo is like the trumpet in that's like the greatest yeah yeah and they took out metfascophiles and oh it was

like a whole they were the the first scas show ever saw was catch 22 pilfer's pie tasers mephosophiles and the singer was like nodding out on stage I was like wow this is cool see the scotch shows were great because there was girls yeah yeah rude girls rude girls and they all you know they had the cute skirts and the there was also kind of like a rockabilly crossover thing but we've we're old enough now you're a little younger than me but we're we're old enough now where those stories like you were saying about the connecticut scene and the hardcore scene in general we've lived long enough where that stuff's actually super not cool anymore yeah yeah so it's it used to be like oh it was this lore that everybody wanted to know about and now i'm thinking like oh well

thank god we didn't have camera phones and youtube and all this stuff because that's like with everything it was like the trouble we would get into as a kid like it's so funny my mom was telling me a story about like these high school kids in the neighborhood like through a pumpkin through someone's window and they're like they caught them on camera and they're in trouble and they're in the paper and good and I go mom let's take a step back I did far worse

and my life would have been ruined if they were can and she was like I didn't think about it that way and you're right sometimes you have to remind your mom that she's talking about a child getting arrested yeah you're like mom we're living in a surveillance state do you realize what the Patriot did mom I'm like mom is like my plants

do you remember how we had a baseball bat in the trunk and said we played rock baseball but it was dented from mailboxes and you bought it you dumped it which which by the way it's like you you could have said something in passing that you didn't mean that you'd never said before and you would never say again but had someone caught it of course you lose your job you could say something that you forgot literally five minutes ago like in jess like we used to go oh god i want to kill that motherfucker they would literally have you fired Oh, yeah. They'd have you cancel this whole thing.

So it's, on one hand, I'm like, it was great memories. It was fun. But then on the other hand, I'm like, yeah, I, it's. But there is something about growing up and having that freedom and be like, I'm going to make my friends laugh by throwing a trash get at this guy's head. Yeah. You know, like, I don't know. See, it was different because there was times where I would just deny.

Of course. You just deny, deny, deny. You didn't talk to anybody. You didn't see anybody. you didn't see anything, but then they would be calling your house, like, somebody took Porcel's guitar, and we know that you know. Hey, everybody, Ianfinance.com for tickets. Thanks for selling out Comedy Connection, Rhode Island, last weekend.

This weekend coming up, I've got New Brunswick, New Jersey Stress Factory, and then Toronto, Montreal, JFL. No, not Montreal. Toronto, JFL, Comedy Bar, September 26, 27. Let's start over. No, just keep it. Keep it. It's fine. Okay. And then I'm going to Omaha Funny Bone, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Houston, Texas, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, D.C., Minneapolis, Vancouver. And I'm ending the year in San Diego, December 31st, two shows. Oh, yeah, and just added, Emo's Not Dead Cruz, baby, get your tickets. And Comedy Works, Denver, downtown in January, the 9th and 10th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. No, I don't know if that. That's real or not. Oh, my God. Look, I'm just telling you, you got to go get tickets to see me live.

It is the eighth through the 10th. Ian Fidance.com, punchup. Dot live slash Jordan Jensen for all her dates. And check out, take me with you on Netflix, her debut special out now. It Rips. Find out what all the hubbub's about, bub. And I'm like, I do know, but.

Can't say. And now most of these people have, you know, passed away or they've gone to jail or other things. but I was, you know, shook at the time saying, like, hey, I want to be in a band. I don't want this stuff following me around. I want to be successful. Even then, like, this is in the early 90s. Even then, you know, when you got Ray Capital leaving messages on your home answer machine going,

we need the fucking guitar back and shit like that, you know, so depending on what stories you're referencing, um, yeah, some of them are like great for private conversations. All of the fairy tales of just things that could have not have happened, but if they did, wow, what a tale. You know, I mean, it's storytelling. Sorry to interrupt. We've got to switch his mic at that much. Okay.

Is it a little wonky? Oh, thank you, Patrick. Thank you, yeah. Yeah. That would have been my luck. My daughter would not like, your mic was fucked up the whole time and nobody fixed it. But, yeah, but other things like, oh, these guys, you know, smashed out, this band drove all the way up, and they got all their windows

smashed out which happened to me as well yeah um but yeah there's yeah you could go on and on and on and then people want to know about bishop was just on as blothar and told us a story about how um uh odorous down in dc got beat up by ian mcky and henry rollins because he like smashed out windows or something and like it's just so funny hearing about because those those things wouldn't happen today everybody would be so scared but it's like it's kind of the reason why i love loved this music and these shows in general because you're like, oh, my God. Anything can happen. We're all under a contract of knowing, like, whatever happens here happens here.

You don't know if you're going to like, like one of my best memories getting knocked out at one of your shows and waking up in a stretcher and at the electric factor and be like, am I going to be all right? What song did it happen in? I don't remember. Right. That was so fun, you know. Well, that's the thing.

There's the connectivity that it created with everyone, whether we know it or not. like Ian threw us out of a show. Really? And that's kind of why we started the band. Get out of you. Because we just went to the show thinking because I remember a kid from my school said it's the guys from minor threat they have another band and it's only

five bucks and we're like no way and then we got there and you're not at all these dance Yeah, no they didn't say that. They don't sell T-shirts Yeah, they didn't say that. We were like look at all these nerds, we're going to mosh the shit out of them. Yeah. So then we're in there moshing the shit on and they stopped the show and like you guys got to go.

No shit. What year was this? This was probably 92 or 93. Yeah. And we were like, all right, we got to go. And I was like, so wait. So I remember having to have it explain to me. Like, and this is their version of this is what they, we didn't have toxic masculinity yet.

But we were basically being told this is, you know, the early 90s version of toxic masculinity. And I was like, well, then I need to, this needs to be my whole. thing like I need to do like this I need to make the musical equivalent of Andrew I need to have an entire I need to have a whole genre of this because I would go take to train into the city

and like go see like Cromags and Marauder for like 50 people where one guy just beats up the whole show and you're diving just a guy moshing with a chain with a padlock at the end of it shout out Colin of Arabia I was going to say shout out Saab

from Marauder he was rest in peace sob he was an absolute lunatic Like we would go to shows at Lomor and I mean it was insane what you would witness inside the show out like you show the doors don't even go up until six five 30s people are already bleeding outside and you know things like that where now they would be like the show's canceled someone's bleeding outside yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a hazmat situation we got to wipe everything down but when you when you got kicked out of the show how long did it take you to be like no I want to make something where people can fucking. pop off it wasn't long and actually i should ask um shout out to uh i got a shout out the band was called level and scott the singer i think he would know the full story behind the session but we booked like a studio session it started as like a joke band where you know it was like samples of guns being shot off and all this shit just made a huge comeback yeah recently yes yeah the sampling is huge yet yeah yeah but do they have the clearance right like you need that's the thing it's all

fun in games until you put it up and then well i was in a scobbin and we like use like ghostbuster quotes and billy madison quotes and nobody gave a shit about a scoban from delaware but is it on spotify now like can we go stream it yeah it is and you're not getting flagged for the algorithm's not picking it up let's hit an ad blue two folks scoff promo code for 50% off i don't know That's great. You beat the system. Our third out, I was telling Lizzie, our third album that we put out was like very, because like me and the singer were really into hardcore.

So we started listening like you guys in Blood for Blood and like Victory style and everything on the way up to our shows. And so then we put out a song where I sang hardcore vocals like, I want to be like Jamie from Hebrew. And so I'm like, dude, I blew my voice out. And it was like my crowning achievement like sounding. tough on this like hard ska song that we wrote but I'll never have to hear it what's the name of the song the name is called bleeding so we kind of made it like a joke song in practice like and we had like a soft

spoken part like you know like a fI on like total immortal where they'd like he'd like speak about in the fields and the flowers are all dying dying and then it would come in with like a hard part we like did that and then I was like well I want to do like screaming vocals and I was so bad at guitar by that point i was like phased out of the band like you can scream yeah i'm still relevant well i wonder why no one ever did ska with like heavy breakdowns was that ever a thing link 80 was like a ska core hard ska band and there's this great band from jersey called best of the best uh best of the worst worst of the best fuck but they are like very like heavy with breakdowns and screaming and scah and i would love to hear like like a breakdown with like fucking demonic horns

and everything that'd be so sick i'm surprised no one took that and ran with it because you know how there's all these like different mashups not like the country core and yeah and the blink 182 with the breakdowns yeah like the pop punk with the heavy yeah so that and then the obviously the rap plus you could like beat someone over the head with the trombone but they're expensive to like fix so maybe that's why in the rhab in scotch is there two in ska no no that's why that's like one step too far yeah why it's like guys We're fucking goofy, but we're not that. Yeah, too.

Time for the tube of a breakdown. Because that could get real low. Because you know how the breakdowns are all tuned to like G now? Some of it I can't even really make out, which the kids really love, though, that shit. There's this new thing. Turnstaw kind of started with that, like, when the breakdown hits, it's like, boom. Like, it sounds like, I don't know. But it, like, hits, like, a deeper, like, and, like, speed is done it.

But I think doing that with a two. Tuba would be pretty cool. That's fucked up. They excluded the tuba from Skye. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I don't really like that. You got some time.

Let's start a hardcore tuba scabit. We'll put it together like a backstreet, boys of Skah and hardcore. They have to all be sex symbols. Like it has to be, like they have to look like Harry Styles, but like throw down in the pit. Perfect. And work the trombone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why?

So what is it? It's trumpet, trombone. Trenbone. Trapon. Tess. Tess. some bands that have like the harder feel to them don't have trumpet because it's very like meem so they just do like double sacks or some shit for the deeper like you know but

i never got super deep into it but i remember i got backstage at a boston show one time and i remember thinking these guys are cool like these guys are badass is the guy has you know dicky i think the singer's yeah dicky bear yeah he had like the growly voice he has like one-of-a-kind voice and then when it blew up huge that was when it was like wow literally anything is possible even then I thought wow there's less

gatekeepers right because with the Fugazi thing we're getting thrown out of the show I was like wow they're kind of like gatekeeping moshing yeah which is not really cool but they're huge right you see the like this is when I used to say like patches would be like platinum like before you knew like if you

like what was the band Avale Right. Yeah. Patch Platinum. Yeah. Right. Like that, like they would have a platinum plaque, but for patches. Mm-hmm. Same with Fugazi. Wait, what do you mean for patches? Like, you know, you get a platinum album. Right.

You sell a million copies. Mm-hmm. They must have sold a million patches. Right. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Like that patch. And, like, what do they call? Jackets. Yeah. Battle jackets. They didn't call them. Maybe they called them not in that world.

Yeah. Right. But I guess for punk, like the casualties and leftover crack. Wait, was leftover crack kind of SCA adjacent? Yeah, I mean, choking victim, I consider SCA because they had upbeats and everything, like, reggae parts. And then leftover crack was SCA, but both were patched platinum, right? Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, gutter punk's thrown at blankets.

They have patches. Yes. Yes. But in seeing them, I used to think, oh, you're playing Toad's Place. Like, you're huge. You made it. Yeah. One time I went down there, Ramones was playing.

and they were in a van. And I was like, wait, the Ramones are in a van. Then I went to see White Zombie and I think it was Testament. They were in buses. So I would put two and two together like, okay, you can be, like to me, Ramones was as big as you could get, famous as you get. I always thought they stayed the course. Like they were consistent.

Like I love Brain Dream. Do you like that album? Have you ever heard it? It's great. Yeah. I mean, it's good, but it's not my favorite. All right. Well, some people were like.

this is too overproduced it's too polished they're not punk anymore they're trying to be rock they got the song in the movie i was like this that's amazing you got the song at pet cemetery that's a huge opportunity so in seeing all that stuff i was kind of like putting it all together to to kind of apply right to what we were doing so you were like tinkering off the off the rip of like all right well i'm not allowed to do this at this show so i want to make something where you can do this so you were like figuring out a way to navigate by seeing all these different things and putting it together and when you created like hay breed off the rip it was just like this is like music to fucking go nuts yes go nuts too and then how did it transition to becoming like

fucking i mean even like being at the vmAs and like ozfest obviously was like huge and and everything how did that transition happen the transition happened because it was like there was nowhere else to to go with it you know we had done five years of tour and thought, okay, even though some bands, like I used to say, does Gorilla Biscuits need a second record? Does Judge need a second record? Like, think about it. Even there are some people like they only listen to that one record.

To age of quarrel. Right, right. And that's it. Yeah, they're like alpha omega doesn't exist. Right. Yeah. So we were touring for five years and I'm thinking, yeah, like maybe we'll just be one of those bands. Like it worked for all these other bands to just.

But then you see when you get to. like North Dakota or you get to Montana. Like we were opening in arenas for Slibnott and you can't get the record. There is no cool generation records or rhymes records. There's no hipster place where you could go get. So where do the kids get the records out there? They go to Best Buy.

They go to Walmart, you know? So then it was like, how do we get distribution and get the records out here? Because that was another thing I saw, which was I would see bands that were huge in Connecticut. And I would think, oh, this band is huge. everywhere then I would take a train to DC or Philly or New York and there'd be 20 people at the show right yeah and then I would ask why why is this well they

don't have distribution or they don't have a radio station here it's it's not like that now right with the internet sound like people to go to my shows man how come there's no one here distribution I get a lot of a lot of how come I never heard of you couldn't tell you I'm on the web but you know what the beauty of that is is that there's billions of people that are ready to be your fan at any moment at any moment yeah and they don't even know that you're their favorite artist or their favorite comedian and you got to go out and do the work and get it in front of their face or get it to their ears and make it accessible to people who don't live in like cool places yes because that's the people

that are going to fucking eat it up yeah you know the people who have access to all the hip stuff it's like they're busy they're done you know you got to get it in the middle of the of nowhere to those people. And they weren't real fans. The second time around, they're not there. Yeah, totally. You're like, I thought you were a fan. No, I went already.

Wait, so you're not going to go on this new record? No, I don't like the new record. Yeah. I thought you were a real fan. But I live in a cool place and it's cool to not like the new record. Right. You know. That's one of the coolest things about touring for so long and, like, hitting these markets that I hit every year is like, people are like, dude, I've seen you six times.

Like, I'll see you every time you can. And I'm like, that's the fucking best, dude. These people that rock with you through every evolution, every time you're in town, they come to see you. And also, like, I'm only assuming this is where the conversation is going, but, you know, putting something else out for them to have, not just, like, that one album, you know, not just that one thing. You know, like, I do a different set every show,

so people buy tickets to see my early Friday, and then they'll buy tickets to see the late Saturday to see, like, the difference. Because I want my comedy to be, like, one of your shows. Like, you don't know what the fuck is going to happen. but I'm here to be in this thing that I'm really only going to catch once and it's not I'm not going to see this ever again

so I got to see it as many times as possible that's what I want my comedy and seeing me live to be that's a really good point because you never know when you're going to have that moment in time that might be similar to say when you know kiss dropped three records

in three years or Iron Maiden dropped three records in three years like that used to be a thing where it was like if you wanted to be prolific you had to deliver yes um but they also weren't doing three 400 shows a year right they could rest get another advance from the from the label actually go to a nice studio and record um i actually kind of see that happening now with music where i i tell bands like you should just go and get three records in a can there are bands that do that that they don't obviously want it known but they'll go in and

they'll do two or three records with a producer and then they'll stagger them out over No shit. Three or four years. Yeah, there's a bunch of bands that do that. So I kind of want to do that over the next three years, but I want to be public about it because I want to involve the fans and I want to go to different studios. And I want to, like, I was, when we were at Milwaukee Metal Fest, I saw the guys from Speed. And I was like, damn, I should have brought the laptop in the mobile rig.

I would have had you do backups, like gang vocals. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So, you know, I'm going to go to New Orleans for Skangfest two days. days before and I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring them announced there I don't think it's being announced right but um what I think I'm going to do is I'm going to get all comedians to do backups so you could do gang vocals dude on the album dude right oh my god dude yeah we're going to do it at a studio in New Orleans I am there you got to and then also you got to

recommend to me who can do like covers during the set I can only me he was doing you Because, like, Dean Del Rey will fucking crush. Like, there's a bunch of dudes that will get up and play, you know, instruments or jam or, you know, play drums or whatever. Oh, my God. That's so cool. But, yeah, so. I would fucking that, if I sang worlds apart with you guys,

I would jump off the stage and make everyone not catch me so I could die. I'm like, I'm happy. But what would be great, too, is if, like, we, like, I'll get them to learn. or a ska song or something we'll fucking Oh dude We'll bust Like what's like

What's like the The ska version Of like waiting room Or one of like What's like I mean honestly I think like any Like a hit by real big fish

Or mighty money money boss And it's like someday I suppose Is I think one of the best Scott songs ever Drug Church covers that song And it's so good It's great Yeah

Drug Church Do they have a problem Like when they go to customs And stuff Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you here for? We're drug church. Because I made the mistake of wearing my terror hoodie one time just and it was like, they're like, sir.

Oh, that rules. And I didn't even realize like, oh, shit, yeah, that's you're, I'm just a walking red flag. I just bought a shirt. I was saying earlier, I just bought a shirt. I'm going to Miami tomorrow. I'm seeing Blinkled Day 2 tomorrow night with some of my friends from high school. Nice. And I bought a shirt in a vintage store with a picture of, remember that iconic photo of Ellie and Gonzales.

in the closet with the armed federal agent with the gun in his head and there's a picture of that and it says federal child abuse and on the back in Spanish it says we are with you elean he's going to wear that to the airport tomorrow because i'm going to my own Miami jokes on you yeah yeah yeah jokes on you when i'm not allowed to leave this basement i'm always just accidentally in the airport on the phone telling somebody that i bombed and then i have to look around and be like at comedy yeah yeah yeah just being a clown just being a clown and they didn't really care for what i was doing up there did you ever meet tom or uh or mark or Travis no i'd love oh dude i'll i'll make a call because they're unreal

like way in our guitar player he went and was just browing down with tom oh my just him and tom i think and his girlfriend like backstage because you get to a certain i think when you get to that level yeah you think that they're being punished like non-stop but they've actually changed their number like so many times and just have I guess isolated where then it's okay for you to go and punish them right because there's less punishers I got you I got you I got you not that you'd be a punisher but I think where do they mean me you're making that call because in my mind oh we would be best friends no I need you to find out about like you know the UAPs and the whole I need I need to some disclosure absolutely it's getting

a little ridiculous at this point. They're always like honey-dicking us into some new announcement and then it's like, dude, we heard this shit for 30 years. Bro, my buddy, Dan Sanger Man, fan of the show, good bud, he is so obsessed with it to the point where it's like was so interesting to me that it's almost like a turnoff now because I'm like

what's up, man, how are you doing? He's like, dude, there's a new thing in the news about this. I'm like, I got to have coffee and then we can figure it out. I was just checking in. The Tick-Tac. Yeah, yeah. You know this. He's any names, all these people that I'm supposed to know.

He's like, you know, Franklin Waterbottle, who actually came out with a press release. And, you know, and I'm like, who the fuck? He's like, dude, he's been working for the CIA for 30 million. What are you an idiot? And I'm like, I am an idiot. Yeah. Well, the people we know from that movement are like to commercial now. Like, we know the ones that they've already are like written off as like, no, they're just complete fraud.

Oh, yeah. They're, there's, what do they call it? Like, uh, there's now hipster UAP people. Like there's this new guy in the sea, man, but I don't want to tell you about it. But I'm, I'm so over it. Like, I'm beyond over it where, because I used to, when, when I would drive the van, I would listen to Art Bell and coast to coast and, you know, all those, uh, different radio shows on like AM radio. Was everyone digging it with you or were you like the lone wolf in the van?

Like, oh, Jamie's on his shirt again. No, listen. Yeah, yeah. It depended on the lineup of, because that was. was when it was just like a revolving door lineup of the band and it also depended on the time of day or night and if we had a separate cab because we went through a lot of different vans yeah um but i do remember one guy who filled in for on drums and just one tour was was into it but this was back when just i mean you were really like a crazy person if you listen to that you if you even remotely um but i was like one of those kids that It was scarred by Communion and Whitley Streber's book. Like I saw the book. And then we did a show, I think.

Do you know the guy, Man Cow? Man Cow. How do I know that name? From Chicago. He used to do a radio show. He might still do it. I know that name. But he was like a shock jock, like a morning zoo.

Hopefully, if I'm mischaracterizing him, I apologize. But we went to go play, like, live on the radio. Chicago, Q 101, or whatever it is. world and it's like and it was supposed to be shocking he's like this the type of music you know you kill Iraqis too and shit like that you're like dude what is this guy like what is going on here I think he actually said that like time and in culture of where everyone was like that's what we did yep yep uh-huh like it it was just dude there there was I remember I went to an open mic show years ago before I even started doing stand up and a guy was on stage who his opening joke was

like, yeah, I'm an Iraqi war veteran. And people always ask me, did I end up killing any Iraqis? And I'm like, no, that's horrible. But we were mowing them down in Afghanistan. And everybody was like, fuck, yeah. It was like 2003. Everybody's like, ah, ha, ha, ha. I'm like, what the fuck is that?

Holy shit. Dude, it was crazy. Holy shit. It was crazy because it was in and out of commercial breaks and shit, too. So they're like, all right, we're going to talk to Willie Schreber. He was rammed up the ass by an alien. And you're like, dude, what it? And he walked, he walked through.

And I like, jumped through. No, shout out to Whitley. Like, I was, I think he was on Sally Jesse Raphael or one of those. Yeah. Donahue or one of those. And I told my mother, I kid, what is going on? There's creatures from a, and she's like, I don't know.

You're supposed to say to your kid, like, no. Yeah. Don't worry about it. This guy's full of shit. But she was like, I don't know. It could be possible. I'm like, what? you're an adult you're supposed to have your shit together

Santa's real there could be aliens so that that guy he had him on his show and that's when I realized like oh shit everybody's connected it's a way smaller world than you think it is and what you think about you bring about

type of thing and this is like 20 something years ago but that like that story and then I think Travis what's the other one who Fire in the Sky was based off Travis Walton all those are like

the OG stories we don't hear a lot of abductee type of stories now but we see the actual things flying right but my thing is like can you imagine having that legitimately happened to you

and saying it with all the conviction in the world and everyone in the world is like you're crazy you're a kook yeah can you imagine being a woman but see that's the thing can you imagine being a woman in comedy no i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm just kidding no i don't want to live in hell i'd be tired of getting everything just because of my gender anyway what were you saying jim no it is i'm really busy i mean i'd be so tired of getting the benefit of the There was a time where everything that was told to me by, like, people who were in positions of power or authority was just completely wrong in total bullshit. So when I saw him in person at the Man Cow Show or whatever, and I was terrified, I was like, this is a real person. Somehow we've come into contact.

And I think that's one of the, no, the, the book is called Communion, if you ever want to read it. um it's it was like he sold millions of books it was a big thing you didn't you never heard of it i don't think so so how old are you 28 okay so it's i guess it's 40 how old are you 40 i just turned 48 which by the way shout out to way our guitar player he gave me a year of my life back i thought it was going to be 48 last year bro and he's like dude because i have i thought he gave you like a kidney or something no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he just had brain surgery he's healing up great he sounds great he looks great shout out to Wayne but last year he goes no dude you're 47 I was I

because I have time blindness I'll say oh this was 2008 they're like dude that was 94 yeah well from being on the road so much everything is a fucking blur it is and and everything is like just ends up being a mishmash of like way what yeah and so but like I feel that way and I

couldn't imagine the tour schedule and the life you've lived in the in the world you've lived where you are so type-lined. You're like, I'm how old? Yeah. No, I couldn't believe it. He gave me a year of my life.

That's amazing. I was so thrilled. Because I don't, I'm not even good with birthdays, and I know it really hurts people. Yeah. So I want to say, shout out to Jackie from Sound Talent. I'm so sorry. I forgot her birthday.

Happy birthday, Jackie. But, like, people forget my birthday. I don't, I don't. Yeah. I don't take it to heart. But for some people, it's super important. Yeah. And nostalgia and things like that.

I'm always kind of, what am I doing today? I don't worry about tomorrow so much. I don't really worry about yesterday, but people are sensitive. I would love to live in a world where you go, I was given a year in my life back because I was abducted by aliens. That's where I thought that was going on.

Well, what if we get a flood of, like, emails and fucking DMs on Instagram, we're like, there is a ton of abduction cases recently, but the media suppressing them. Yeah, it's called going to skank fest. Get ready, honey. You're going to get an earful. But the current disclosure or whatever,

I'm like it's too little too late. We don't care. We would have cared in the 90s. We would have cared in the early 2000s. But nobody, that's the thing, everything is put in front of our face on Front Street. Right. And it's like, well, all right.

Yeah. Like we're watching fucking, an extinction movement of the people in place right before on our eyes and we're like did you say what Hoda did on Love Island? Yeah, there's way too much going on for someone to get abducted by aliens.

We're getting so much, so inundated with so many things. Like there's actual factual evidence that fucking at like the government is covering up everything having to do with Epstein like the biggest sex crimes in the history of our like lives that we're just like, what's the next thing? Yeah. Because it's like

once you become aware and you do verify well then what what do you do I don't know but they do when something does come out there does seem to be some magical distraction it comes at the same time dart our eyes away from like the fact that yes there are these like what do they call the not the white walkers like the white handsome people the white slender people there's there's like no there's like a legitimate like alien that people are oh yeah there's different species in like area like 57 or some shit that like like has conferences with governmental agencies and like updates and they're they're called like the white hansom will you look this up please so i don't sound like i'm losing a year of my life right now white people

are they're not they're not the grace yes the government is meeting with handsome whites the grays we everybody like the grays are too commercial now maybe it's the great you're like the the underground version of the of the species of alien are that we don't know about like the ones that aren't commercial yet are these ones like these are like but they're they say that they're already out there among us okay but will you am i i i've heard skinwalker before but i thought that was like ghost related ghosts if everyone's concentrated on aliens but ghosts haven't gotten too much shine recently no yeah no i'm no girls who look like me are still doing ghost stuff you guys are still talking about them yeah we are and ghost stuff and ghost stuff and witch stuff and

And girls look like you were still doing Me Too stuff. Yeah, and boy, are we. And you know what? I'll say anything. Hey, listen, you can take a ride up to Monroe, Connecticut now because a comedian dude. Matt Rife just bought the Annabelle house. Yes. And he bought the Annabelle doll.

Yeah. Which is fucking insane. Why would you do that? I don't know he was freaky like that. Why would you, someone's got a new crush? No, I can never. There's no amount of freaky That gets me into crowdwork guy

How long do you have that pussy He's so not your type No, oh my God I'm blushing over Guar And I'm like, she's literally like Will you fuck me but wear the suit Yeah And then Matt Rife is like

I'm the most handsome man of all time You know I filled in for Guar When? I was Bone Crusher Oh my gosh Snapper Sorry bone crusher is a rapper from Atlanta. Bone snapper.

Please do not get to do. Yes. Jamie, you didn't have to do blackface as far. No, it was so depressing because I got off stage and I went back. We were in Austin for this.

I did two shows. Shout to Bob. He had to fly back. This was my claim to fame for a long time was that I was in Guar for two shows. What year was this?

2008, I'm going to say, or 2009. Wow. But you go, you don't even get like a, hey, good show, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because nobody knows it's you. Right. So you just shoe hoard it in a conversation. I'm like, can you believe this? I'm out here. I'm ripping Hillary Clinton's tits off. I'm aiming this shit. I got to wear a cup so the hose doesn't rip a testicle off.

Like with the blade and the other thing. And if anyone hasn't seen that, you sound so insane. You're like, yeah, I ripped Hillary Clinton's tits off. They're like, what? I timed it perfectly. I got the girl in the front row who was like going like this. Oh, yeah. There's no fame or glory behind it.

No, they're really thankful. And then you're just covered in shit. like space jizz and all this stuff for days and you smell weird. But they did give me an axe, a guar axe, which I think I'm going to just, I think I'm going to give it to you. Dude, that would be amazing. Hey, everybody. Ontario, the wait is over.

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Metalfest.com. I bought Metalfest.com. I got it. Really? Wow. Incredible. Yeah. So all these assholes are trying to, you know, trademark.

You know who you are. Bro. I'm blessed him. Shout out Kareem Rama, good friend, friend of the show, guy to the subway takes. He and I were, like, joking around about something. And I was like, dude, actually, that's like a really fucking good. idea he's like yeah you better buy that web like domain domain before someone else does and I'm like oh dude who's gonna buy that he says me a screenshot he had just bought it I was like you

motherfucker oh I have so many really thought we're gonna be big shut the fuck oh like I have like MJ is innocent and shit like I have the worst ones I wish I should make a list like I had like all these Michael Jackson once I'm like I'm gonna sell it for five grand I got for 80 bucks No, because there was so many weird sites at one point that now are all... Have any of them paid off? I think I sold one of them. What? I don't remember now, but it was not...

I think I sold it for like 300 bucks. You buy only fans with the Z. Yeah. Oh, shit. I was buying like one letter off. Right. Or like... Right.

There was a couple of those, but those are... Like a horny guy typing in like, Playboy.com, and it's like Playvoy. You can't even get, like, Google with 3-0s or 4-0s anymore. Of course. I have a fake website that comedian Dave Ross made for me. That's Lizzie. Dotguns. That's pretty cool.

Wow. You can get two dots in there? You get two dots and you don't need a com at all. Yeah. Really? You can just do dot beer if you want. Okay. Yeah, because that's what happens when you go to buy a website.

It'll be like, oh, dot info is available. I didn't know dot beer. Yeah. And if you click on it, it's a picture of me and it says I'm a huge bitch. that's great yeah it's like downtown Toronto a lot of dots sorry we went on on my patreon we'll call this full Timmy tangent like wait oh I just got what you know thank you you're a good person yeah um you know I sang for the SOD tribute and there's a lyric in there that is like what's that dot on your head do you use it to see no shit yeah and but at

During the show, oh, they also have a song called Fuck the Middle East. And during the show, I high-fived a woman in a burqa. That's so sick. She was crowd-serving a margin. It was awesome. Dude, that's great. At the Haywire show a couple weeks ago, there's this girl that goes to shows all the time covered full burqa, just fucking rocking it.

It was fucking sick. And she was at the Guar Haypreed show a couple weeks ago. Probably. I think she crowdserved and I high-fived her again. Dude, maybe, yeah. But I was like, wow, she goes from Milwaukee to Richmond. She's die-hard as they come. Well, let's be honest, it's probably different people.

She's someone in Africa. I mean, there's our music. And we're like, yep, that's Fatima. Listen, in her defense, I do see a lot of, like, a lot of, like, bearded guys where I'm like, is that the same guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're looking at us. Like, bearded tattooed guys. Same old guy.

Yeah. Wow, how did he get from Minnesota to New Jersey? But, yeah, we went full, on my Patreon, I call this, like, full Timmy Tangent. like when we go full from Whitley-Strieber to Fugazi or whatever, but just to bring it back around, Fugazi, you know, by them throwing us out of the show and by them saying, you know, don't mosh here or whatever, I didn't view it as like, oh, these are people who grew up or they evolved.

Like they were into this shit, like this super aggressive hardcore music 15 years prior, I, I've had similar experience. where I thought, okay, we're now we've gone. Like, you can always go too far. Of course. Right?

With extremes. It's like if you start going, um, down like, say the death metal world. Like, I was just listening to a band where the guy sounds like a cricket.

Like I'm so far. No, it's great. Gutalax. Please, we just play with them. And they do the check. The guy was checking the mic like a cricket.

It was amazing. Yeah, when did that pig squeal? when did that come in because I cannot get on board with that I know everyone likes them but fuck torture I like the message they're great but the music is it a big joke

I'm not in on what the fuck I can't do it I went to some girls place and she put torture on and was like fuck me and I was like I leave it this is crazy are you kidding me I am the one who squeals there's one pig in this bedroom and it's me

now let me pull your little tail You're talking about the Breeze. The Bree, like, that was the thing on MySpace. Like, the Bree, back in the day, it was like, Bree, Bree, Bree, where the bands. I think it was started. Look this up. I could be wrong, but I think it started with a band from New Jersey,

Waking the Cadaver. I think they were the one that put the Bree, but it was called a pig squeal, but it was spelled. What is the Bree? Like, just like, phonetically. It's like, B-R-E. Okay, like, how would you spell, like, what Chubaka does? H-L-N-N-R.

Like, how would you spell it? Yeah. Like, R-R-R-R-A-R-H-L-L-L-R. So in the comics, I think it's spelled H-L-R-N-N-N-N, like hrr-rn or something. So on the memes and stuff with the death metal pig squeal, I think it was spelled Bree. Like Bree, like, Bree, Brie, B-R-E. Yes. Ah, okay.

Yes. But we've graduated. That was like, that's done. That's my space. That's done. The new shit is the cricket. shit, dude. And how does the cricket go? It's like, I can't even

do it. Dude. No, they have you. Like, you can get lessons. Like, these guys make money. Fucking death metal is just a speaking spell now. Where it's like, what is it, Cal, dude? It's like, if you heard moon core? Mur! This is your new favorite band. Yeah. Guttalax.

I showed it to our friend, to our friend who was backstage and how, actually, I showed it to Frank, our guitar player who's like, this is amazing. I love this band. I said, I'm booking him from Milwaukee Metal Fest. I don't care what I have to do. Then I find out we're playing with them in Portugal. We changed bus calls so we could stay to see them.

No shit. Yeah, the crowd was insane. They're throwing toilet paper. One of his pre-show, like one of his pre-song banters, you know, like my banter is like, how you doing tonight? Great to be back. You know, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Hello, Starland Ballroom for the 90 millionth time.

Yes. Circle piss. Circle piss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But his was like, all right, this song. is about when you eat corn and you shit it out and then you take the shit and you separate the corn from the shit and you put it back in a pan and you cook it and then you eat it again and the crowd's like and it's called poop corn no it was and the place is going crazy there was shit on fire dude you don't know god relax no oh my god I'm still catching up on watching old Blood for Blood videos where fucking Rob's like, you can suck my short Irish cock.

I'm pissing all over your hopes and dreams. And I'm like, that's good stage banter. Which, by the way, so we're in Portugal or Spain or both. And so our tour manager goes, oh, you just, no, maybe it was Paris. It was the day after this show. He goes, oh, you just miss. Remember Mike from Blood for Blood for Blood? Yeah, he's here with his family on vacation.

I was like, so shout out to Mike from Blood for Blood. He was just there. Really? I just missed him. We had a day off. We had a day off. And, uh, but, oh, so back to guttelax. Yeah.

So can you say, can we say wiga on this, on this? Wigger, but, well, okay. Well, so there was. So, you gotta mean it. Yeah. So the guy, say whatever you want. So the guy. So this is America, Jamie.

This isn't your little Portugal with gutterlacks. Okay. So the guy we played, uh, the guttelax to backstage. That sounds like a cleaning product. I'm going to be honest. Or like a medication, a gas medication. gut a lax he goes wait so what what genre is this he goes is this wig a slam like you were telling me about i was like wait i told you about wig a slam that's its category so that was a genre i believe it's

called e-town concrete shout out my one of my favorite bands of all time i love you so much dude if we did ever so if my fuck where was i going with that guttalex oh wig a core Whig a slam. Crickets. There was an artist that a friend showed me. It was called Cemetery Rapist. I told you, don't mention my day job on this show. Everyone has to think I'm a full-time comic.

When my daughter was little, she was like, Dad, I told, I, no, she's like five. She's like, Dad, I told them you were in a band. I told them the name of your band was Hate Breed. And I was like, hey, you know, so now when I was, I hear these other bands names. I'm like, you're luckily leaving. My dad's in cemetery rape.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad's in cemetery, right? Yeah. My dad's just in cemetery. My dad's in. Mine too. Yeah. My dad's in dees not.

He's cremated. My dad's in urn on the shelf. That's good. No, but my friend was trolling me. It wasn't a genre called wig a slam. The guy was just had like a, he looked like he was in E-town, but he was playing death.

But I thought it was like a movement. Yeah. Which maybe it became, I don't know. It sure did in comedy. Huh? Wigger is in comedy? What is that? You know, there's just a bunch of guys doing black voice stuff.

Oh, like Indian comics? Hey. Who like Dane Cook? You know? He's doing that. He's got black voice. Yeah. Does he?

He's definitely putting it. I don't think he talks to his mom the way he talks on stage. I think, if you're going to do black voice you got to lean in like I do when I go chah that's fun I like it

what's the guy who looks like the guy from the show of power but he's a comedian and he's hilarious there's a great viral clip of him doing like a voiceover of an interaction in the crowd have you ever seen that

oh I just saw it it's um what's his name white guy who does black rooms and he's famous he's the biggest one oh Gary old Yes, he's great. He's hilarious. Oh, Gary Owen, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he, like, everybody, if you were from the inner city, everybody knew a guy like that. Of course. Everybody, everywhere. But for people who are in, like, I don't even want to generalize. You know what we got to do? We have to have, like, a fake place, like, in Top Gun. Yeah.

Where it's like a fake country. Yeah. Or, like, in the new Superman. Yeah, it's called Switzerland. The new Superman, it's like, who's warring? And they're like, oh, it's like, oh, it's. It's, you know, they just name two fake countries. But so we need like a place like that where we can say it's like middle America where they don't.

Yeah. They don't have a guy like that. It's like the suburbs, I think. Maybe. Yeah. Well, all I know is how close were you to being not who you are by being like a wigger? Because I had a cut. My mom used to drop me off at record stores and like I would just like listen to music and then like leave.

And I was like in like obituary, Metallica and all this stuff. I would just listen and then like leave and then my cousin was this Wigger kid that was a wrestler and I wrestled at the time so I go to his house he babysit me and he'd like I wanted to be him so bad and he loved like

Wu Tang and like all this so we'd listen to it and the next time mom took me in the record so I said to the girl I was like I want to listen to this I gave her old dirty bastard and she goes no no I know what you listen to you I'm not letting you listen that you're going to listen to this and she gave me victory style and that changed my

life and I just wonder like if that didn't happen I would be down here like yeah yo j may like so different like how close were you to being like because that that fugazi moment was like a complete like watershed moment for you in your life like how close like do you ever think about that like what is an event that if it didn't happen I'd be on a totally different fucking Yeah. I mean, what we did the first Oz Fest, I was getting called that. Like, people were yelling that from state, like, from the crowd because I would wear the chain and I had like the five-panel hat. But this is like 2001.

Yeah. So we were kind of labeled as like the wig of band. Really? That's so funny. But only ever imagined any of that coming up in conversation with a ape breed. That was in different parts of the country, though. Because when you go to, like I was saying before, North Dakota, Montana, Omaha, and like these places,

where the only metal they know is, say, like, Pantera or Metallica. Anything different than that. Yeah. Because for us, we were like, oh, we like Slayer, Biohazard, Sepulterra, which, you know, we didn't think. Your biohazard track rips. Yo, that biohazards hard. Shout out.

Shout out to Bobby Hamble. You got to get him. I'm on the podcast He's the best I'd love to have all those guys On the pod dude I'm so happy for those guys I'm so happy to see them all jamming together again It's what I went to the reunion

And saw them because I missed them Years and Years and Years ago so I saw them live At Irving Plaza King 9 open It was fucking awesome and I was just like So so excited And they were like getting along and I was like Could it be could they create again Yeah and the songs are hard

Yeah they're great I'm really happy for them because that was one of those bands that they should get way more credit than they get. Dude, no holds part is an amazing live album. Oh, yeah. It's incredible. Danny changed the way

like the hardcore breakdown was played. I mean, he's really, I mean, I feel like he should even get credit for like some of like the playing on KSAD and other metal records that subsequently came out after that first self-titled biohazard. Because a lot of those bands tour Like, you could listen to Creator.

Creator has a record that sounds heavily influenced by Biohazard. They had, they were with Onyx, you know, like, so I wonder how many people listened to them. I was like, no, I'm not going to go to metal and hardcore. I'm going to go, like, listen to more like Onyx and OPP. But I, dude, I used to listen to Mataleo and that song, Authority. I don't know if you know what, but there's a song, and the chorus is like, fuck the rules, fuck, fuck the rules. Come on. And, dude, being in seventh grade, hearing that.

That was like the coolest fucking thing ever. Like you and your mom are fighting and you fucking know the parts coming up. And she's like, I see you're not doing well in your class. You're like, oh, get a load of this, bitch. Speak for me, music. You see, I was so big into Bobby Hamble that I was like, that was the record. I think they actually had a guy called Leo.

I think he joined the band on Mata Leo, which I was like, wait. But Bobby's not on that record. Oh, so you're like, I was, yeah, see, I was, yeah. Remember that was a thing? When someone wasn't in the band, so you were like, fuck them. And I should have just been a fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Through and through.

Speaking of through, through, Life of Agony, Jocet Tour, I have to plug it. We're going out September. When is this going to air? Probably in three weeks. Okay, we're going out September 19th. It's my only Jostat Tour of the year. because we have other commitments with Hayprey and we're finishing the album, but we're going out

Life of Agony, Josta, and then there's going to be different support on certain shows. I think God forbid's playing Jersey show, Rolling Coffin's playing the Connecticut show, and then there's different support in Cleveland and PA and other places. Oh dude, we're fucking sucking the dick of Biohazard, but the new Hayprey track. Yeah.

Dude, are you going to come out of Mosh Pit retirement? Are you going to go full guar? and sprays. I'll put a burke on, dude. I'll get in there. Please. What the hell? What the hell?

What the hell? Dude, I, I, every time I go to a show, I get so excited to fucking mosh and dance around. And then I get injured. And then I'm like, and then I have to go to CityMD the next day and be like, I did it. I made a bad choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I jumped like a salmon upstream and no one. caught me i'm 40 you know i had a i had a girl in detroit went to tie down and i i stage i

didn't know and no one caught me and this girl like we we we we we had like a hotel like i think i i thought we were going to like it kind of was leading to like oh let's have a one-night in detroit and then she became my caregiver yeah we had to go to a fucking like what's that store like tangiers regis or what's it called the the midwest like dwayne rye or walgreens no it's Like, Montgears, Rajir's, something. I should know this. Anyway, I had to limp around and get some fucking pancake and ice. Can you some icy hot?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was so sad. And women love that. We love that. Can you imagine like you're going to the gig and the guy's like, I need to get a tens machine. Can you put it on me? Can I imagine? The amount of guys have been like, I guess all we can do is you can blow me because I'm so sore. Because I'm so sore from the mosh pit.

Can I tell you? Me too What if you say, Kevin? Next time you're in Detroit, you've got to get Coney dogs. Are you down for Coney dogs? Where do you go? Leo's Coney?

Mata Leo's Coney. Hey, sir, you have to pay? Fuck the rules. No, I... Mom spaghetti? Did you go? That's the spot. In Detroit, Mom's Spaghetti, right?

Yeah, I haven't been. I know people have gone, they like it, but I can't. I heard it's better for merch than food. Do you think he's got like a secret Mariah dig on the menu somewhere? Probably. Yeah, there is an item called the cum guzzler. I'll have the vaginosis with Extra Marinera. I'll have the mixed race vomit machine wheel.

Oh, my God. Dude, Eminem, chill. It's a sandwich. I'll have to blow my brains at Christmas Every time I hear Sorry I should have done more Ronnie I'm sorry

Sorry sorry Whoever the guy is that's making the rounds Now on the podcast circuit Talking about Mariah I don't know how I Like you ever click on something And your algorithm's just fucked for weeks Oh is there someone talking shit on Mariah

Yes And now I don't know why this guy is showing up in my feet everywhere, but it was kind of a welcome change because I had clicked on one sexy midget once. And it was... That'll get you, dude. No, it is. And they're global.

Yeah. Each country. Wait, can we still say that? I meant small person. I don't know. I'm laughing at you saying they're global. No, they are. You know, they exist. They're everywhere. They exist outside of your imagination. No, the sexy ones. They don't just work in chocolate factories. They're everywhere. The sexy ones.

There's like a thing where each country has the one who's the famous one from that country. Do you know how many people have screenshoted me following an account called Disabled Cudies? Okay. I'm right there with you. Wait, I think I got to, I'll follow this right now. Everything about them. There's different ones. They're global.

One's a stump. I follow an account called No Limbs and it's a trans. I follow her. Woman thumb person. Come on. They have nothing. And they're a makeup artist, so I'm like, when I think you're getting some help.

She uses her shoulder, yeah. And, dude, Jamie, you got to see it. No, I can't. I'm already getting out of it. She's far away, and she'll go, hmm, and then roll to the front of the camera. I can't. And I've seen her transition.

Yes, me too. I've been following her the whole time. She is a bit, no limbs. And I'm afraid she's going to go the full step, and I'm like, that's your last limb. What was it never there? That's your kickstand, honey? You're going to fall over there.

You need it for balance. Yeah, yeah. I'm helping you. Have you seen the video where her husband throws her in the pool? What? No. And then it just cuts off. What happens?

I can't. I'll come. Do you follow Mug Shorties? Yes. They follow me. No way. Dude, I had a comment like get like $10,000. I was like so happy.

It made me so happy. Wait, which one is this? Mug shouties. And they're, it's like hot chick mug shots. Oh, yeah. When we're, when the bus is parked in front of the venue and you watch the line of people go in. there's been so many times where I've seen the girls from Mug Shorties at the show and I'm like that has to be her going into the show of course but the the sexy midget of each

country right like the representative yeah I mean there there the Olympics go ahead there's like one from Georgia one from Belarus one from France one from Spain you know whatever if you get into that algorithm there's no like you You really are. You can't get to the bottom of it. You got to. You're in it. Oh, yeah.

No, I look like I'm like disarming a bomb with me getting rid of my algorithm. I'm like, like, switch. Like, like, okay, this person has all limbs. Like, like, like, share. The worst is when you by accident click the dead animal in the street food. Ever do that one? No. Oh.

What? Dead animal in the street food? Yeah. It was like, oh, here, we're going to. throw this bucket of rice into this flaming hot walk uh-oh what's at the bottom of the bucket no you know and it's like we don't want to see that guttural lorax too much okay this next song is about when you go to cook your rice in the walk and a dead animal comes out their their in between banter is just like in urban comics observations like y'all motherfuckers ever cooking your walk

and they're a motherfucker animal shit that was the Matt Rife or no, the Gary Ellen Yeah, that was Gary Ellen bit. In our world, that's the Anthony Martini. Shout out of Aunt Money. Shout out of him money. I text you, you need to respond.

Yeah, seriously. What the fuck is going on? I had to ask him the other day, do you have some sort of like deficit disorder or whatever? He goes, actually, I think I do. And I'm like, that will, there you go, let me know. Because I'm like, but I do that too where I'm like, you know, hit me up.

Phone calls are better. And then I get him. And I'm like, I'm overwhelmed. And then someone does that to me. And I'm like, it's because I'm a worm loser, isn't it? Well, I think you have to find the tism, the spectrum of the tism that certain people are on. Because then when you narrow it down, like, I'm sure, you know, someone who's like, I don't know, avoidant or defiant. You know, like this is not here right now.

Okay. She was supposed to be opposite. like demand avoidance where you can't say hey come meet me at this thing you say hey by any chance are you free at this because otherwise you're gonna get yeah i've i've been having to deal with that just in terms of like what and and i try not to look i always try to look at my role and like not be a martyr but a lot of things come up like why am i the one that has to change how i navigate to satiate your fucked up attachment and stuff and then it's like you know i but Then I had to do that because of my own shit.

Like when I was with my ex and I would be on the road and she'd be like, I miss you. I wish you were here. That like was so hurtful because I want to fix and I want to make it better. And I feel like I'm hurting you by existing and working. So I had to be like, hey, when you want to say that, I appreciate it. And I feel the same. But for me and my well-being, I need you to say like, I'm excited to see you. Yes.

It would be so fun if you were here right now rather than like, you know, because otherwise I just feel so like. impotent far away that I can't fix it, you know. Yeah. But like the oppositional defiant disorder type thing, like that's just so hard to deal with, like, that's rampant in the music industry and creative. Think about our industry. We're all fucking deal with.

Insane people. Mental patience. Half of the battle is finding, like, the love language of, of hurt, damaged people. Yeah. And being, you know, compassionate or being aware that their. mirroring something that you're projecting or whatever. Well, it's like a big thing, you know, that I always try to remember and, you know, being in recovery and actually, like, trying, even though it's so hard all the time to, like, work a program recovery, it's like, if my side of the street is clean and I can look and go, okay, I think I'm being totally honest. Like, I'm doing the best I can to, like, be on the level and not be, like, a piece of shit or whatever.

And if there's a problem over here, that's like you. And in a way, it's like freeing to be like, I, that it has not said it. with me. I can't fix it. And if I try, it's not going to work. Yeah, there was a while where I overcorrected and I was like, I'm always the problem because when I was doing drugs, I was always the problem. Right, right. So then I got sober and I was like, I'm always the problem. I dated

this guy who was always like mad at me for being on the road or doing shows out late or whatever. And I was like, fuck, I'm always the problem, whatever. And then I was visiting a friend in the hospital and he texted me and he was like, you haven't texted me enough today, you rat bitch. And I was like, oh, I'm not the problem.

Right. Just some fucking guy But isn't that crazy? But it was like It took that much for me to be like That's like a fucking loser guy That's like a 15 reaction To like a story situation

What a piece of shit But that's how much it took You know like when you're I guess it took a lot of Perseverance Did you call Wait did you ask him if he was into Wigaslam Before he

Dude I'll tell you what He definitely was He definitely was Yeah, definitely said some things in his past that I was like, no, no. Currently, I think I'm in the, it's, it's my fault and that's fine. Like, I would take full accountability because it's just so much easier. Yeah. And it works until you have a situation like.

Until you have that happen and you go, oh, my side of the street is clean. I actually have to just not know you anymore. Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because your peace is too valuable. my buddy is a thing where he goes you got to look at it like up the fax machine's broken again like treat the person like a fax machine right yeah well there was there's been macum until they work there's been times recently where i said oh i got to reach out to somebody

but then i heard from someone else like this person's not doing so good and you were talking about recovery well there's a saying in recovery like you can't rob a man of his bottom right like they're on their journey they say that in the gay community as well go ahead which reminds me should we hit up anthony and be like hey let's do a gay version of e-town concrete called p-town concrete and we'll just change all the yeah like we'll just yes and time to shine is just about wearing glitter yeah so we can do drag yes whatever the combined Disorder the three of us have right now Don't let me forget where I was going with the

Oh with the recovery at the bottom. Yeah, yeah, so the So the the most recent one was I was going to reach out to you and say check on Lenny Dykstra And bro I didn't because Just the thought of what sort of trouble that dude might be up to right now Like shook me to my core Last time I reached out to him It was like a handler that was like Lenny is Currently unwell

He's getting better Please reach out later and I was like I was like a year ago Okay But it's even weird just like he was like my childhood hero And like having his phone number He's been in my head He's shit in my toilet upstairs

Like dude crazy You didn't get backlash For that? Like nothing For having him on the show Yeah No That's amazing

So we've Maybe but I Okay, so we've gone full, yeah, because I guess in the music world, like, I'll have anybody on it. I get all this backlash. I get backlash from any guest, but it's been great not doing the podcast for months because I don't see or hear about any of that stuff. Well, it's so fucking insane, dude, because it's like, you're not co-signing it, but, like,

the music that's being created leads to a lot of violent situations and everything, which a part of it and people are like, that's just what it is. And then you say like something and people are like, you're a terrible. This is, it's like, yeah, man, someone like got hurt at a show, but you don't care about that, but you, because this is easier for you to mitigate and look like a hero

speaking about. Does that make sense? Well, people want to judge an entire subgenre or an entire group based off one quote or one clip. Or they think there's like a figurehead. Like imagine if you were judged, I'm sure you are, but imagine if it was

every day where someone was like oh you're a comedian yeah well this fucking guy or this girl whatever i say look deeper than that it's it's not that easy like i would get so i still get messages about the fucking moshing and i'm like really oh my god i got what just so people people that are definitely when you go on the page they're touched with yeah the tism oh but they so they obsess yeah over certain things like With the rules. Oh, like people who have that justice.

I've seen this online. Yeah. And it's like you're missing, yours totally, if you're so obsessed with the rules of this, you're missing the whole thing. Yes, absolutely.

Because if you see, say, like a violent, I don't know what they call it now. I think it's crowd killing or something. Right. Like, they don't know that this could be

a coffee house show with 50 friends who all know each other. Yeah, yeah. Where it's like consensual. Yeah. And they're going to judge my.

band. I'm like, yo, I've been doing this 30 years. Like, I didn't start that. Like, I'm not the purveyor of that. I'm just one small, like, speck of sand in an ocean of this ignorant dancing where people beat their shit out of each other. Like, I showed the moshing to Kimbo Slice, God rest his soul. And he was like, they fightin. They just fighting. I was like, no, it's moshing. It's dancing. It's like a sock hop. It's like, oh, okay. Because I had a whole pitch to him like you're going to be the pit enforcer and you're going to be like you're going to judge people by their mash moves and you're going to give them like a 10 and then if someone's out of line you're going to like you're like you'll chill whatever

it never happened but it would have been a cool video um someone's going to take that idea now i use that i and use a i kimbo slice yeah use kimbo slice enforcer dot com but it'll be saved you know the other one that i get so much of is the barricade Like, people will go. What's that for playing shows with barricades? Some kid will go down on YouTube, like deep dive, and they'll find shows that I played in 95, 96, 97, and they'll watch every show,

and then they'll go to my Instagram, and they'll see one festival, like, where we're opening for fucking, like, red-out chili peppers in Austria, and they're like, I can't believe you would, it was bad enough as a barricade, but you're playing with an abuser. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then you go on the page, and their whole page is, they have to be, you know, the moral, um, superior in every situation. Well, that's like not everyone, not everyone should have a voice and you should be able to have to take a test to have an opinion. And I think like it's, it's, it's insane the access people have to us and the things are into, which is great because it gets more people involved and interested and actively like hopefully people see videos on TikTok of a show.

show and they go support that band, buy their merch, buy their merch, go get tickets. But to then involve yourself in a subgenre or subculture and expect them to change and adjust to your idea of what things should be is so ignorant and entitled and gross. Like you're entering someone else's world. You act accordingly. I think people should do that when like white people move into like fucking Hispanic or black neighborhoods. It's like, don't call the police because your neighbors are fucking loud.

Like, maybe introduce yourself to your fucking neighbors and, like, acclimate to them and figure it out. Maybe, like, go to a show. Yeah, or, like, go to a show and, like, go to a show and, like, watch your fucking head. And don't tell people what they shouldn't do. Just watch your own ass. If you don't like it, don't fucking go. It's crazy to, like, enter, like, you said, a subculture that you don't know everything about. And then your first instinct is to be like, I'm going to be the cop of this.

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to point to who's the bad guy. But I'm going to police this. You fucking hypocrite loser. It's like you don't realize at all that you're being a total nark loser cop about everything. Yes, yeah. Because you're like fake justice mind. Which is what fucking Tipper Gore was with the parental advisory lyrics and everything like the D.

Snyder and Frank Zappo on the Senate trial and everything. Like that's what these people have turned into. Yeah. That are thinking they're the arbiters of what is a thing that has exist. in its own autonomy without them for decades. Yeah. It's entitlement that fucking infuriated. And then they have the audacity to still think they're cool.

And they make it bigger by default. Like they, like unintentionally they make it bigger. I've been able to sort of see that with music and I think comedy. Like I, my daughter and my wife, they would watch, you know,

Trevor Noah and Stephen Colbert and all that stuff religiously. And I was like, when the pendulum swings, gonna be crazy and now it has and you're like and that's the same thing happens in music like with the tipper gore stuff where it becomes like all the stuff yeah that stuff becomes huge and sells more and i think you could even say that now with some of the music critics and some of the bands that are more commercial like if a music critic goes after a band the the the people who are into the cool indie stuff by not liking a band that's maybe not the cool credible

indie underground thing you're making the what you say uncool is uncool super cool to a ton of people like you don't realize you're unintentionally causing the pendulum to swing it was like with earth crisis like we saw it with the peace punks and with all the um the you know we were doing shows that like collectives where everybody had to vote yeah and it would be like we can we want a privilege may i sing vocals to this song no and i was speaking to earth christ and going against a great shout out Sean McCabe, rest in peace, ink and daggers, throwing yogurt at Earth Crisis. Yo, rest in peace, John Dudec, very distro, rest in peace. We could go down a whole Philly.

Shout out to Philly. God, shout out Dead and Buried, or Dead and Burry. That was a hardcore band from Delaware. Shout out Dennis McGonigle. Shout out fucking Dead by 23 records, Robbie Red Cheeks. Shout out to Red Sheeks. Red Sheeks saved the Youth of Today Show that I had booked. He could tell the story.

No shit. He helped me run the show because I had to go on tour or something happened, I forget. By the way, the Philly venue we just played, it was one of our best Philly shows that we've done.

Which venue? It was called, it was, oh, shoot, it was, it's right on the tip of my tongue. Damn it. Have you played it before?

No, and it has a balcony, and it was amazing. Fillmore? No, it was, transit. Transit. Union transfer.

Union transfer. Yeah. It was a banger. No shit. And literally over, I would say, like, 60% of the audience had never seen us before and was young kids. So Philly, I think what's happening is it's having a changing of the guard. And we had this killer band called Nine Dead on it. Ignorant, heavy.

Super hard. Would you guys ever play the church again, like unannounce or some shit? Yeah, I mean, we'll do anything and everything. Will you guys play in my basement? Yes. Like, we would troll people. back yeah like we would be like no we don't play basements you know it's like troll the troll right like you want to play our wedding no we don't play weddings and then people thought we were being

serious and we it does the opposite yeah yeah yeah but yeah we that's sick dude that no barricade that barricade thing is so fucking gross that that's like what people do with us in our lineups like they'll see a lineup of comics and it's like only white guys and they're like where's the women yeah why aren't there this it's like maybe because they're booked and like getting And there's no people cancel and you don't know like what goes into booking a lineup. And like maybe because a lot of fucking black comics are funny and they couldn't do this gig. Like who the fuck are you to look at this and think you know everything to make an argument as to why what you're seeing is wrong? A girl message me once and was like, you shouldn't do shows where you're the only woman on the lineup?

And I was like, do you know what happens if I don't? Yeah, right. There's less women. Yeah. What do you want me to not do the show? That's crazy. That's insane behavior. I'm going to boycott the show.

so all the guys can just have fun and get paid, and I have to stay home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all just victims of this, like, Coke and Pepsi marketing bullshit. Yeah. That's what it is. It's this team mentality.

I blame it on you because you had a song called I Will Be Heard. And I think people wouldn't be heard. Dude, I am so stoked that you came down here to spend time with us. My pleasure. Thank you guys for having me. Can you please let everyone know what you wanted to get eyes on, what to look for? You talked about.

the Metal Fest and Yeah, Metal Fest. You got a new album coming out. New Heybred album next year. New singles out now. Justin Tour with Life of Agony. We just announced two festival shows. Oh, and so those festivals, I think, are both no barricade shows.

Hell yeah. So if you want to see these shows, I would just book a flight, travel, because like you're saying, it's not always our intention. There's a lot of venues that will not, like, we have to get insurance. Like, we travel. And now that I book a festival and I've spoken to the underwriters, I know who's on these lists. Yeah.

And it's hate breeds, who has settled tenants, he's terror. We're all on these Dillinger escape plan. It's hard because I just booked Dillinger. So I know you have to get extra insurance. Yeah, and you can't play the floor of a fucking skate park anymore. It's like, what do you want? Like, this is just what happens. But I think through COVID and all that shit,

the kid that got up like into everything during that time, they don't know the previous litigious society we were living in where you could get rich off of one claim against one celebrity or one, they just don't know. And so it's not their fault. So I get it why they're mad if they've just seen me play 100 shows on YouTube from the mid-90s. But now they're like, wait, you're not this small, cool, credible thing.

You're this sell-out playing with fucking red-out chili peppers in Austria. but that's just that's just life like you want to grow as a yeah also I have a fucking family like what the fuck do you want and it's like that's probably why they know like that's why everybody knows about you

like and it's a blessing you that kid might not have known if you hadn't done that you know and then when you actually reply it's like oh my god I'm just breaking your balls dude sorry I don't you know I go sick almost and I'm like

I have miles I'll buy you a plane ticket to use my hotel please pull up like let's have a conversation I'll go to the hospital to prove a point I fucking hate you and they're like I'm a fan my dad's dead too that's why I made money yours I love you

I was trying to be mean like you God humanity is so hard to navigate but that's why be my cackling we are going to get to a point where we just need to go I don't need to have an opinion

about this and that's it because you're going to lose the great punchline you're going to lose the riff you're going to lose the big hook sing along because you're you know looking at the clip of this sexy little person saying do i need to have an opinion about this and you should just be working at your craft yes lizzie what do you want to show you the one just so you can see what i want to see it what roped me in yeah right because it was it was just the face but then when she zoomed out it was the cutest, like, I mean, she could hide behind that thing.

Like, she could hide behind the Vitico. Jamie, she's right here. Hello. Lizzie, what do you want people to get eyes on? Follow me on Instagram at Lizzie Cassidy. I have two podcasts. One's called Respectfully and one's called Close Calls. It's about near-death experiences.

You got to start the Guar fan. I would love to. Podcast. I would love to. And just go deep with everybody. You got to get Sleasy P. Martini on there. You got to go through the whole lore because they're really dropping the ball. I got to say,

War, if you see this, and I know it's fun to talk about people and events and shit like that, but we have to, we, one of the most triggering things I do on my podcast that I talk about ideas, people hate that.

Yeah. People hate ideas. Yeah. They want you to just. Just play the fucking song. Just tell the joke. Oh, that's right.

I'm not a fully formed human, you fucking loser that has a proverb. The joke was an idea, dummy. And a picture of you and your family and between trees and the fucking autumn. Fuck you,

you fucking piece of, this shit? Why is everything a pitch? That I lost it for a second. Okay. EFidance.com for my dates. We're close to sell now, JFL, Toronto. So we really need to snag those tickets.

Let's add another show. September 26th, 27th. September 12th and 13th, I'm in Comedy Connection, Providence, Rhode Island, close to Connecticut. Oh, yeah. Speaking of adding a show. Yeah. Can I tell the people, do people in the UK listen to this

and watch this. People in the UK, we're being blocked by Kill Switch and Gage. What? And they're saying we cannot add our own headline show until we sell out London, which isn't the point of all the other shows being... And shout out to Kill Switch.

It's not the band. It's the agent, the managers. It's the suits. Yeah. It's not the band. The band's great. Love the band. I was about to put a fatwa out on Cool Switching Game from my man, Jay.

But Manchester, like, is sold out. Why can't we play our own show in Manchester? No, because we need to sell tickets for London. But how are you able to play both Manchester and London? Whatever. I'm not, I don't want to get in trouble. I'm just saying you're going to add a show if you sell out your other show. That's what we need to do in the UK so we can do our own headline show.

Do it. Sorry to interrupt. YouTube, that's fine. I forget what I was saying. Just fucking buy it, take it to see it to be live. Okay. We're in Providence. Comedy connection.

Providence or. Providence. Providence. Providence. YouTube.com slash Ian Finance Comedy for all my stand-up. My travel show is coming out. Ian doing odd guy doing odd jobs.

And Patreon.com slash being Ian Pod. Jordan's Netflix special is coming out September 9th. Take me with you. Punchup.com slash Jordan Jensen for all her dates. And thank you, man. You're the fucking best. Thank you. You guys.

I appreciate it. You're fantastic. Thanks, buddy. This is so fun. And we'll see you next time. Love you guys. Bye. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what you say anymore.