Bellied Up - What Makes or Breaks a Bar #141

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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Welcome back everybody to another episode of the bellied up podcast. I'm here with my friend Charlie Barron's and we're at the old town tavern. The OTT you down with OTT. Yeah. You know me down with OTT. Yeah. You know, Steve, I know Steve, my name's not Steve. Um, they got an Appleton, Charlie got a beer claw here. Miles to beer claw. The claw chooses who can come. Who? Okay. So you just go pick a beer. All them beers. Oh shit. Hot coffee, hot coffee. Oh, my. Sorry, too. Fuck, that's all over you. Oh, man. Is that wet? Yeah, it is. Sugar tits.

I'm so sorry, Miles. I didn't mean it, dude. I was looking at the beer claw. Oh, that's going to stain on that nice sweatshirt, too. I am so sorry. Let me help you. Sorry. Sorry. You really got to pat my dick. Well, I'm patting around your deck. All right. Trying to help. I'm sorry. The only sweatshirt I brought. Really? Yeah. Well, I have to raw dog my arms all fucking

Trip how did it spill that? the airport Can't believe did that oh I'm so sorry you can spill on me later if you want. Let me wipe off. This is a classic situation Wipe off you hit your you hit your brother a little bit too hard So then instead of telling mom you're no, you can hit me back even harder. Oh geez. You know, I, it's not my fault. It is the beer clause fault. I mean, who puts a beer claw in a bar and doesn't expect the accidents like this to happen. Oh, sorry, Miles. You OK? You gonna be all right? Yikes. Yes, I am going to be OK.

Damn, that sucks. Although I may have to sue you now, because that was some pretty hot coffee. And I don't know what kind of burns I'm going to get underneath these pants. Well, unfortunately, it's a Yeti coffee cup, which means it doesn't work. So that was your first mistake, Charlie. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, maybe next time, try closing the lid when you're not using it. How about Habitat for Humanity, folks?

I was a plug charity at a moment like that. I was just over trying to make you seem like a better human. Just over there this morning helping them put together a few houses for the less fortunate. And Miles is worried about a little bit of spilled coffee. You know? It's all about keeping things in perspective. And that's what I want the kids out there to know.

Hey, Miles, you know the worst part about coffee when it spills is the smell after. Yeah. Just smells like crotch rot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know that my good pants to those are your good. I'm gonna have to utilize the laundry at the hotel. Oh, man. Dunce. Wow. Yeah. You know, if you're doing laundry at the hotel, someone wrong, something went wrong. Go wrong. You know, people aren't just planning on doing laundry at the hotel. Well, anyway, how's your day going? Otherwise, it's still going good, Charlie. All right. You know, I'm used to stuff like

this with you. Now folks, this was not planned. Okay. They don't think we just did this for a cheap bit off the top of the show. Miles is sincerely pissed off right now. And yeah, nothing you can do about it, though. It's in the past. The past is the past. Miles, you want to play the beer machine? Just the wrong time to ask, but do you have quarters? Yeah, they're all going to be covered in coffee. You want to play the beer machine? Just the wrong time to ask, but do you have quarters? They're all going to be covered in coffee in my pocket. I'll take a wet quarter.

Yeah, I think I'll be all right. I think this sweatshirt though is going to stain. It is. You know, I got a sweatshirt like that, Miles. It's tough to get stains out of them. I'll tell you that. I might have just bought that sweatshirt from you. Yeah, it looks like a new one.

Do you have scrunchie arms on that sweater? I don't know. I showed up in the mail and I put it on. Did it? Who got it for you? It's a Hoka sweatshirt. Hoka. Yeah, we did a brand deal with Hoka. Really? They got new boots.

Wait a second. Like winter boots. Do they send me those boots to? Go dude. They're nice. They went with you for the brand deal and who's an out on fat deals to miles over here. Surprises me. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, actually I was thinking about that. You're saying like you don't want your brother to tell on your until on you to the mom, you know, you hit your brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't tell mom you can hit me harder. Yeah. I was thinking that I'm just spurred a thought in my head. What are stuff that you can tell your mom that you can't tell your dad? Oh, what are

stuff that you can tell your dad that you can't tell your mom. That's a real good question. That's and I actually I've got a perfect one off the top for this because I broke my dad's saw when I was a kid. OK, and it was one of those like one of those rotating arm saws. You know, I think I forget a reciprocal saw or what was it now? No, it's like a road. It's like anyway, it's dangerous. They'll make him anymore. But I broke it. And I told my mom and it's like a road. It's like anyway, it's dangerous. They'll make him anymore. But I broke it and I told my mom and she was like, Oh, that's okay.

You know, she didn't, she, she wasn't really aware that she didn't think my dad used the saw and then I let enough time pass. And then by the time my dad figured out the saw was there, I said, I told mom, you know, and, and it, but it was already in history. It didn't help. My dad was pissed, but that's something, you know, broken tool or lost a tool. You can usually do that. Yeah. I feel like anytime something gets broken or damaged that your dad paid hard earned money for, I usually want to tell mom, it might be mom's harder than money, but she's more capable of handling a situation where you may have sacrificed some money for a broken item.

Well, especially if it's your dad's item, some of your dad cares about now if I'm, if I'm thinking about things that tell my mom, well, let me start with you. What's something that you can tell your mom? Well, I feel like, you know, like, I feel like it's stuff like, uh, like if you were, uh, maybe having a few drinks with your buddies in high school, you might call your dad come pick you up or something. I don't know if you call situations like that, you know, I don't know when it's guys being dudes. Yeah, there was this time that my dad got caught drinking with his buddies in Oshkosh,

and the police called their dads, and the police came back into the holding cell, and they're like, one of your dads said that he was gonna, you better stay in here all night, otherwise if you come home, you're gonna in here all night. Otherwise, if you kind of come home, you're going to get the backend of a two by four. And they were trying to guess which dad it was. It was between my, my grandpa, this other dad, but that's always good.

You'd rather stay in a jail cell than go home to your family. That's pretty much that. I think that's pretty standard, you know? So your dad would be more permissible to you being picked up by the police? Uh, he would still be mad, but he would, he was, when you just would, he gets you with silence. I feel like, you know what I mean? You picked you up and you just would be like, and just, you know, like that kill you with silence. And then you get home. Your mom, my mom would yell at me.

Oh, see mine was dip. Mine was exact opposite. My mom was the silent enforcer. She would be silent the whole car ride and she'd come in and she would like, if she'd be like a mob boss, you know, she she gave my dad the nod and then game over, man. I was getting yelled at. Okay. Yeah. So really your mom is the one that runs the show. Oh yeah. Yeah. My mom is too. I think that's kind of how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. So what stuff does your dad get mad about? My dad, I feel like my dad's pretty calm and things that like he should get really mad about. And then he'll get mad about stuff that he shouldn't be mad about. Do you know what I mean? It's a kind of a reverse with

something really bad happens. It's more calming for him. You know, he's going to be a little more level headed, but if you know something like spilling a coffee on your dad, yeah. Oh my God. He'd be mad. Golf golf simulators usually do it for my dad. Really? My dad's a good golfer, but you know, he's fucking old. And so he didn't grow up with simulators. She doesn't get it. He doesn't get how a simulator works all the time. And when, you know, he'll hit it and it's like clearly a bad shot. He just gets pissed and says the simulator is all fucked up. I just want to see your dad throw in a golf club through the simulator screen. He just gets so age is so skeptical.

He's like, I don't think this thing is accurate. It's like, well, it's like pretty accurate, dad. No, I don't think it is. I agree with that. I think they're smarter than technology. Yeah, well, they are. They are. It's hard to prove. Am I going to turn into that? Am I going to think I'm better than AI as well? Now that I'm a dad? Yeah, probably. I mean, I think as technology now

you'll be okay with, but as, as your kids get better at it than you, that's when you're going to start thinking you're better and you lash out because you don't know how to handle it. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Okay. Well, Charlie, well, my, I might go stand underneath the hand dryer in the bathroom for a little bit and then we could take some collars. That sound a little wet crotch. Yeah. Sorry about that. I'll go to the bathroom and blow with you. I didn't say blow you. I said blow with you. I'll aim it. All right, guys, we have Bryce from Georgia. Bryce wants to open a bar with his wife and is wondering what the top five things that could make or break a bar.

Bryce number one, get yourself a beer claw machine. All right. Now I have to warn you, that's going to make for some exciting customers. You're going to want to avoid serving any of them hot coffee on the counter. They might spill it on their body. Okay. But number one thing I'm going with a beer claw machine. My guy. Definitely. Absolutely. Got it. I didn't know you guys actually have those up that way. Oh yeah. You guys have beer club machines in Georgia.

So it depends on the bar to go to. So we, geez, we, we've traveled between the West coast, the Northwest, central America, Texas, East coast, Poland, Germany. We've literally been to probably about, I want to say our trackers at 102 different bars and breweries in the last like 12 years. So you guys are tracking this? We are. We are. There's a, there's some apps out there. That's pretty sweet. I, I wish I would have done that over these years. Yeah. I mean, a hundred to it's either going to be at the end, you know, you're

80 years old. You look back at your app, all the bars you've been to, it's either going to be very nostalgic or it's going to be very depressing. Charlie. I think it's probably like, I don't remember any of these. I don't think I was at that bar. If you don't remember it, you were there. Yeah. That's not, that's a quote. Do you go and at the different bars, you like take pictures of to kind of create the vision board for your bar. It's your wife into Pinterest is what I'm asking. Yeah. So that's actually the whole point of this app. So originally, so back when I joined the military in 2012, we just downloaded, I just downloaded this

app and was like, Oh cool. You know, like just kind of like a flex on people like, Oh yeah, we've been to this bar over here or whatnot. But having since then to now, tracked all these different ones, we're able to actually take pictures, see what people like, you know, you know, I'm a huge fan of how the deer heads and the moose heads, the bobcats all, you know, and know, I'm a huge fan of how the deer heads and the news has the Bobcats all, you know, and the, and the small town bar. So I'll take pictures of those, the track and seeing what people like to see, you know, what makes the hometown

bar kind of a thing. So yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, the deer heads and the Bobcats and all of the taxidermy on the wall is great. But I think something that will make a break a bar is the lighting. Let's go into this. If a bar is too well lit, it's going to feel like a cafeteria and not feel like a bar. Charlie, you're going to feel like you're at a hospital and not at a little dive bar What you want to be doing is looking at the deer head and going I think that's a hot girl over there And then as you get closer you realize ooh bestiality not cool Yeah, that's the kind of lighting you want to go

Wow Look at that rack over there and your buddy's to be like thinking you're talking about a woman. And then he gets closer and realizes that it's actually a buck. Exactly. Yeah, that's that's the type of lot lighting we're going for. You don't want to see the pores on your buddy's face as you guys are slamming beers. That's that's no go. No, sir. Definitely not. No. So my question to you guys was, you know,

when we were thinking about doing this here, once we're retired out of the military and whatnot planning stages now, I was like, you know, I think I know just the right guys to ask some of these questions from. Yeah. So you guys, I was like, well, you know, the, so for you guys, what, what makes a, well, you know, the soul for you guys, what, what makes a hometown bar, you know, a hometown bar, Speaker 0.(1h 5m 5s): Taking a step further, Charlie further. What? Yeah. I think what you're asking is what turns a bar into a home instead of a house into a home. What takes a bar do a home? I think what's really tough about that is time is

the number one time and negligence. Exactly. I was going to say you get your floor in there first thing and then just don't wash it. Don't don't you need to do nothing to this bar. If you want to make it feel like home, if someone wants to put their buddy's head through the wall, you let them and you just put a plaque. Yeah. Here lies Bobby's head. Yeah. You know, if you want, if people start sharpie and up everything, you just have to let it happen. You can't be like, Hey, we paid good money for that. No, it's a living breathing organism. Correct. It's a living, breathing organism. It is a work of art, always in motion.

The second you open those doors on day one, it is no longer your bar. It is its own being, and you have to, just like a kid sending off to college, you just gotta let it be what it turns out to be. And you can go in with some ambition. Obviously, look, we're gonna get the standards out of the way. You're going to want a poll tabs machine. You're going to want either darts or pool. One of the two, depending on the space you got a

bar is just like a kid. You got to teach him math and science. You got to teach him how to spell all of those things. You're going things. Poletabs is economics. OK. Absolutely. Pool is game theory. Pool is game theory. You know, you want to statistics. You want a dartboard to teach them how to aim. It'll keep your bathrooms cleaner. And, you know, aside for that, I think obviously no shortage of neon signs. You want neon bar signs. And if you can get

some of the cool ones, the like get yourself an old ham sign. I mean, people are, people are really going to be impressed with something like that. Old neon beer signs are actually, they're not an expense on the bar. They're actually an investment much like fine art is for the billionaires. It's true. I mean, you're saying that possibly facetiously, but that's true. They appreciate over time. Yeah. You got to find good deals. So not only are you buying something to make your bar feel like a home, you're actually

investing in your future and potentially your children's future. That's very true. Very true. And anything that gets, uh, that like if, if a beer tab goes out and you no longer serve that beer, you don't get rid of that tap. You just drill it to the wall. Yep. Yeah. Once something collection at that point, yes. Once something enters the bar, it can never leave. Nope. Even if it gets decommissioned, that sucker needs to go up on the wall and needs to go on a corner and needs to go on a ceiling. It's it's now part of the bar. You know, it's like, Hey, Charlie, you're old now and you don't run as much. You're going to cut off your legs and leave them. No, you're just going to keep them there.

They're going to be dormant. Yep. And you're just going to grow in every time you see them. Every time you use them. That's the move right there. Is that what you guys were kind of thinking? Or are you guys worried that you may lose control of the bar or are you okay with letting it go and let it be whatever it ends up being? So for a while, what we were thinking about was doing the brewery thing first, because I love to drink beer, wine, and meat on the side. But I mean, in the market we're in right now, you're not really making money in that department. And it kind of goes away from what our goal for opening up like at the Adam and Brew Pub, which is bringing back that sense of community.

You guys can appreciate that. Oh, sure. Through the years, the sense of community has just gone down the shit or honestly, it has. We were thinking is how do we bring that back? How do we bring back? Hey, you know, you went to church, let's go have a beer after or let's go, you know, have lunch and have a lunch beer on a Sunday.

How do you bring that back? A tavern, a brew pub, a bar. And it's like a good family reunion. Like you want to a good way you get people there. Yes, but you want them to have bonding activities. So, you know, get that dice game going. You want to have dice, you want to have cards there. And as far as the TV game goes,

you want to go minimal on the TVs, if if at all. You know, obviously, you're going to want to have the game on. All right. But you don't need a whole walls of TVs. That's unnecessary unless you're full on a sports bar. But that doesn't seem like the vibe you're going for. No, definitely not a sports bar. That's that's hooners is down the way for that.

They can go that down that way. You brought up church, You brought up church. Why not just talk to the local pastor and just have church at the bar? I mean, you're then you don't even have to worry about people going there afterwards and building that sense of community. You just, you know, Jesus turned water into wine, Charlie. He did. So why can't we have church at a bar? And I think you can. Jesus said go where the people are, you know? And-

I'd rather be with the sinners than the saints, you know? You can learn a lot more. I think you should go to a church that's being decommissioned. I think you should purchase the confessional, and I think you should make one of the chairs at the bar put up a confessional and call it the confessional. You know, so you can have one, the priest can go inside the confessional

and people can just go up to him and he can open up the little shade, take your confession and keep her moving. Charlie, I think you're on to something here. I think I am too. Thank you, thank you. I think you're on to something here. I think I am too. Thank you. Thank you. I think this is the move.

Now we did talk about lunch also. Oh yeah. In your experiences, have you enjoyed the in-house kitchen or a business that has a bar that has a rotating food truck selection? I mean for a business sense, having someone else make the food is going to be far and away better for you as the business owner. But I like a bar that has food in house that really is kind of shitty at a bunch of different stuff, but they got one thing at the, on the menu that they are better at than any other place in in the

state damn near. That's what you need to be going for. Thinking wings, cheese, curd, pretzels, something like that. You know, the Rubin sandwich, right? Oh, yeah. When someone thinks of this bottle, like you got to have the Rubin and you're like, well, I don't normally have Rubin. That don't matter. At this place you have the Rubin. You're doing Rubin. You're getting that sauerkraut. Yeah. And you should also have a stack of frozen pizzas because you know, late night we're all, even if kitchen's closed, you want to have yourself a nice frozen pizza, a little DiGiorno or tombstone, whatever and a little pizza oven. And it doesn't have to be good pizza,

but you're gonna wanna have some pizza on hand. And if you really wanna avoid the headaches of a restaurant in your bar, just have a menu for food, but then just being like, the kitchen's down today, we're under staff, so we actually don't have any food today. And he'd just do that forever. And then people, then he's like, but we do have frozen pizzas.

So then you can have the appearance of being a bar and grill, but really you're just a bar and a pizza oven. And you're gonna want a wallet chips, chip salad. You're gonna want pickled eggs is pretty standard. You know, so you're going to want to have those basics there. And then I like your idea after that miles. That's good. Yeah. What we miss what we miss. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think we kind of hit all the things. Yeah, I think I think you did, honestly, after the hunting clubs or the church or whatever have you just any that home town bar that has that

choice rubin, like you said, cheese curds on the side. Yeah. What what are you guys thinking about naming the bar? And don't say you haven't thought about that, because that's bullshit. That's the first thing people think about. You're not lying, Miles. It is absolutely the first thing to think about. So I was dinking around brewing me the other day. By the other day, I mean, like a year and some change. I'm sorry, you were brewing mead.

What do you mean the other day? Like the other century? What are you brewing mead? Yeah, make me make a mead. What the hell thing do make it you make you making it out of honey hmm that's pretty cool I didn't it's a whole thing I I've never I don't think had a glass of mead have you miles mmm it's not a huge market it's one of those things that's growing right now, but it's one of the oldest. Are you sure that it's growing? Yeah. Hey Charlie, I don't know if I've heard many people be like, Hey, this weekend you want to go to the meatery. Yeah. You want to, you want

to go, you want to go slam a couple of meads. How do you make me? Yeah. So it's just for a minute. It's like how you do wine. So it's instead of using sugars or the sugars from the fruit, you're just subtracting that and you're using honey instead. Everything else. Cool. You must make a killing at the Renaissance fair. I was just going to say, man, I'm looking at my horn right now. It works. Okay. So what's the name of the bar? Yeah, no, the bar. Well, we were thinking originally when I was, when we were looking at labels and stuff for the bottles,

like you do wine labels and whatnot, we wanted it centered around one of our favorite things. We always loved that, that old timey hometown bar that just had that ancient dog that somehow was still alive, but just roaming around. I wanted it to be not necessarily a dog theme, a dog friendly. So we named it was so the perfect poor, the perfect poor, the perfect poor, the perfect poor. Let me think about that. All right. All right. All right. Let me put that in my mouth.

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people are into some kinky thing. What a bar this is. It's called, what is it? The paw fixed poor paw fake poor that sells mead and Rubens. I mean that I I'm kind of into that. The furry convention. Yeah. Yeah. I would really embrace the furries if you're going down. Just in the back of the bar is just a bunch of litter boxes. Yeah. I think, well, those are cats. Yeah. Furries, they go to the bathroom. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize. Thank you. Okay. I got it. Hey. So I think if you really want a dog bar, you almost don't even, it's just known that dogs are there. You're just a bar that allows dogs. You're not a dog bar that allows humans. Right, right, right. Cause pawfic poor. I mean, it's really, it's,

it's two on the nose, I think as they say, it's, it might be a little too, too there, I think, but you could, uh, you know, call it meat dogs. You know, meat dogs, meat dogs. You can. He hates my idea. I hate his idea. What about the rough house? The rough house is cool. Oh, there we go. That's that's yeah. Welcome to the rough house. There you go. And then on Fridays you can have local open boxing, you know? Yeah. It's like a rough housing, but then there can also be dogs there.

I kind of liked that idea. Now is your wife, I think you're going somewhere is your wife. Does your wife know you're calling us to discuss this? Oh yeah, absolutely. So listen to this now. Okay. Until I show her this one. Did she come up with the name? Be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think the ladies would love it. Yeah. Well, hold on. Were, did you feel like it was the best name you guys could do? Or were you just worried about

hurting your feelings about the paw for paw fig poor? I said, Oh, that's a good one. Let's go ahead and let's, let's put it in the pile. I know exactly what's going on here. That's what me and miles were thinking when you said it. And neither of us really wanted to call it out at first. So we chewed on it. But that was that was a thought there. So I'm glad we're still in the spitballing phase for this. On the spitballing phase, for sure.

Mm hmm. You could call it the dry hump, the dry hump. Well, no, it's it's a wet bar. Oh, you're right. Yeah. That'd be like just a bar that people go and have kombucha or something, you know. Oh, that's yeah. You want dry and you got to think about these things, Charles. You call it the pillow. Gets the same thing across because dogs hump. Yeah, no, not kombucha.

Anyways, maybe that was stupid. I didn't get that. We're not opening up the bar in the middle of Portland. That's true. That's true. Um, all right. Um, I like the rough house. Don't you?

I do. I like the, I like the rough house. That's the move. We'll have to, we'll have to give you guys an update once we, once you figure it out. So, but what you need to do though, is you need to somehow, it sounds like you need to make it seem like your wife came up with that name. So you got to somehow work it in somewhere, you know, and let her come up with the idea. Cause that sounds like the best path to be able to actually be the name. Yeah. Get her, get her all meted up and then have her start riffing names, you know, and

you have a list of names, but have her write it. So it's in her handwriting. Yeah. Slip the one you want in there and then say, Oh, next morning, like, God, I'm so long over that some good honey. And then fermented honey. And then start going through the list like, Oh, honey, see this rough house one that you came up with last night. I really like that. Yeah. Do an exercise or like, all right, what are all? What are all generic names for, you know, bars, pub,

tavern, house, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you're like, can we like dogs? Like what do dogs noise. What do they make? You know, like, what do they sound like child rough rough? Oh, let's yeah. We'll write that down. We'll see. And then you'd write a bunch of other stuff. You probably write down. Yeah. Whatever. And you'd be like, bro house. You're like, yeah, it doesn't really work. What if we pair these two? You, you, you said rough, right? And then boom, all of a sudden you, I see you make it come out of her mouth. It's like playing charades. Almost you're playing

charades. Boom miles. We are smart. We are dialed in. All right. So this has been a bellied up name generator. Yes, it has. Forget chat GPT. When you got miles and me, Hey, Hey, Hey, that's about, that's what we're talking about. We're looking at a other Washington state or, or throwing it out there. Wisconsin. Yeah. Come to Wisconsin. You're going to have a lot of competition in Wisconsin. You will have a lot of competition. We've never been so never been. We were, we've never been. If we were to where, where would be the, the bars to check out to kind of, okay, well we're not going to do all your marketing research for you. That's going to cost you a fee. If you want our,

you know, you want that I'll give you this free advice. If you're bringing your wife up here, it's not where to go. It's when to go. Come in July. All right. You bring her up here right now. She's going to be like, Oh, oh, nope. Yeah, no.

So, yeah, but I come to Milwaukee, Sheboygan. These are pretty saturated bar markets. But you know what? Look, everywhere in Wisconsin, you're having a saturated market. So I would say pick a city. And if you want the dog, you want to get the dog people, the people that bring their dogs in a lot. You'd probably go to a bigger city, you know, if you want business.

Yeah, the people in the smaller cities are just like throwing their dog in the garage or in the backyard and going to the bar. Yeah. They got outdoor dogs. They have wolves. Yeah. They're like, yeah, they can be out there all winter. Their coats build up, you know, the dogs just hovering over by the heater, by the dryer vent, just trying to stay warm. Well, well, man, we're excited for you. You're going to open up a bar. That's big news. It's every guy's dream. So just know that you're living out our dream, opening up your own bar. And we're excited. You know, I'm glad that we got that perfect name out of the way so we can find the name, you know

It's like it's a classic like all of our bad ideas led to the good idea So we wouldn't be here without that. So that's also a way you can spin it There you go, it's perfect and some therapy I went to therapy and I found it out Perfect. I like it. Oh perfect. Yeah perfect Well, thanks for calling in man. And good luck with the bar. I appreciate it gentlemen. Go to watch out for deer. All right. You too. We'll see you now. Glad it called in. I mean, really got a bullet there. Holy smoke. Kudos to us though for laying them down easy on., I mean we really make any rash Decisions. Yeah, I knew as soon as you said I'm gonna chew on that. I'm like miles hates it too. Thank God Thank God

Yeah Great guy though. Oh really really genuine fella guy though. Oh, really, really genuine fella. Yeah. I think they'll, they'll, they'll do all right. It's tough setting up a business though, with your wife though, when it comes to like a bar, because I think a lot of the ideas we threw out may not be her thing, you know, but at the same time, at the same time, it's, it's just nice that they just want to bring people together to drink, drink some meat and eat some Reuben. You know? Well, Charlie, should we take another caller? Let's do it miles. You dry yet? Good in there. Folks. Tippy cow is my beverage of choice. When you're sitting out there in a deer stand in the fishing box,

you know, on a boat on a nice cold fall morning. Nothing makes you feel better than, tipping it back with a tippy cow, Miles. And thank God that you spilled the coffee and not the tippy cow, otherwise I'd be in the bathroom, wringing it out into my mouth, making sure I get every last drop.

Wow, I think you just turned some people on out Just saying it's liquid gold. Yeah. That would be an advertisement for tippy cow. We should do it. Well, there you go folks. Tipping on back to a tippy cow, Wisconsin milk, Wisconsin cows. All right guys. We have our favorite lawyer on the line. Mr. Russell Nicolay Russell. How are you? I'm doing well. How about you guys? We're doing good. Real good. My glass are a little foggy, but you know, why is that for that? I'm glad to be alive. Russell. I'm glad to hear that. Good to hear your life still now. Speaker 0.(1h 1m 2s): Charlie and I are naturally curious creatures. Yep. Right. Charles. Yep.

And you know, on TV, you see lawyers saying, I object, object, object all the time. But for guys like Charlie and I have no idea what's going on. When do you actually use objection and is, can you use it too much in a courtroom? Yeah. So there's really two times you see a lot of objections. So a lot of this stuff that you see on TV isn't a courtroom. And there's some to that, like what a lot of lawyers that do civil work, which is not criminal work will do objections in deposition So that's like where witnesses will be under oath Outside of a courtroom, but like at some lawyers fancy conference room with court reporters present and usually you see objections there

when Your clients answering the way you don't want them to or there's bad information. So I see defense lawyers do this a lot when often the defendant, you know, someone maybe caused a car accident will start admitting to things and then there's all these objections just flying out and you know that's a sign that they don't like the answers that are being given which are generally truthful. So you see objection this, objection that, objection form, objection, they throw out every objection they can. And I just keep asking questions because a lot of the objections are already invalid. But the second point in court, you do see objections in there,

but I don't generally see them as energetic as you see in the movies because what I've always been taught is often if you're making objections in court, the jurors think you're trying to hide something. So you gotta be real strategic because part of the whole courtroom thing is you're putting on a, it's the presence, it's the show, it's a little bit of theater. So you have to be real careful, but maybe if you wanted to do an objection to make a point, so you don't, you don't see it as much as you do on TV. I think that more wild objections happen in the deposition than they do in the actual courtroom.

So it's kind of a double edged sword, right? You can use it to your advantage, but also the other side is like, we got them. Yeah. If you started late, yeah. Anyways, well, objections. That's cool. It's good to get that insight. I have a feeling like if you were in a deposition with Charlie and you were his lawyer, you would just have him. He would start talking and you'd see where I was going. And you just object over and over and over again. It'd be like a 10 hour deposition just to get one question out. I don't think he'd even risk bringing me into it. I think he'd say, ah, he's sick again. You know, he's got the clap or something. Well, thanks for calling in Russell. This was great. Where can the people find you at? They are

interested. Yep. You can. Yeah, definitely on social media, but online, Nicolaylaw.com. N I C O L E T L A W.com or one eight five five. And I see, oh, L E T. There we go. You're better speller than I am. Thanks for calling in, man. It is my last name. So you guys. Thanks, Russell.

Hello, Cassandra. This is me, Charlie. How are ya? Hey, you're here with Miles too. How are ya? Hi, good. I'm, I can't believe I got through you guys. Oh, you got through to us.

You did, you got through to us. It looks like you're having some marriage decision making troubles. It's kind of, yes, it's not, it could be a lot worse, but you know. Don't do it, Cassandra. Don't do it. No, I'm teasing. Tell us, give us the lay of the land. I always, I'm very like upfront and I always like tell my husband what I want. But sometimes I just want him to tell me what we're doing. I got to plan the dates. I got to plan the

stuff for the kids. And I just want him to make the decisions and tell me what to do. Yeah. And the problem you're probably encountering is like, Oh, well I'll just stop planning and then he'll plan something. But then you find out that you guys then just don't do anything ever. Is that correct? That is correct. Yeah. Yep. You know what you do? You ever seen Home Alone? You know when he's downstairs and he's trying to find his parents and he's like, mom, dad, I'm down here. I'm making bad decisions.

You know, that's what you got to start doing. You got to start making some bad decisions. Bad to the bone. You got to do exactly what you want. And he's going to get so fed up. He's going to start making some decisions. Yeah. Just yeah. Like you, you could be like, Hey honey, we're opening up a bar and we're going to call it pafer, perfect poor. And he's going to be like, that's not a very good idea, honey. Maybe I should take over the

business plan. You know, you got it. Well, I actually, I actually started a business a year ago and you know, he just lets me do whatever I want. Yeah. Because you're making too many good decisions. You got what's a decision that like you wish he would take over? Like our date nights or, yeah, you know, I want him to just tell me, Hey, Saturday we're going to, you know, be ready by four o'clock. We're going out. Okay. I like, what does he like to do?

He likes to side by side. Okay. Big side by side guy. Okay. All right. Know the type, know the type. He's a farmer and he farms during farm season and he side by sides. Any other time he's not farming. Okay. So he's a he's a homegrown man. Yeah So what you need to do is for date night, you just need to start going to the hippie bar You know, you got to start telling them that you're going to a vegan only restaurant You got to start whipping out stuff like that and he's gonna pump the brakes real fast You'd be like, well if you don't like any of my ideas, maybe you should just plan it.

By the way, I hope you like side by side it. Tell him we're going to get our pedicure and go to a vegan bar. Yes, now you're thinking. Yeah, have you even tried that before? You've never even given that one a go? No, I just plan things that I know he likes and that's the problem. Really, I'm the problem, I just plan things that I know he likes. And that's the problem. I really,

I'm the problem. I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's you. You're the problem. It's you. No. I mean, I think you're, you're being too accommodating to them and you gotta just start, just start getting a little naughty. You know what I mean? Doing some wild things. I know what you mean. Yeah Another good way to yeah, just make him feel left out You know, it's like you look at work you he likes to be left out doesn't he? I do that all the time. I go with I just like You know do my own thing and then he's he likes that. Yeah. Oh

Boy, well, you could just start withholding sex as well. I mean, that really could work. That's kind of a break glass in case of emergency. Just have that in your back pocket if you need it. No bone. Well, I, I'm trying to have another kid. So does he want another kid? Yeah. But he said not right now. But I tell them if we, if I get out of the diaper stage, I'm not going to want to go back. You're in diapers. You said you were in the diaper stage. Oh, you're good. Got it. Got it. So you want to have more kids. Okay. So he wants kids. You want kids. I mean, I think he doesn't want more kids right now. Yeah. So the withholding sex is even going to work. Charlie. He's going to be like, fine. No, he'll probably take this. I'll probably take this sex. Yeah, I probably will. So that's,

yeah, that's your break glass in case of emergency. What do you got? What do you guys, you could just trick them into it. How do you do that miles? Well, you know, there's the age old, yeah, but then you're doing all the work. What about, let me ask you this, like for your birthday, will he plan something like how bad is he at this? Will he plan for your birthday or Valentine's day? Well, for my birthday in December, I told him that in November I said, just so you know, you have to plan me a birthday party. I had a, and then I had to tell him the theme and what day to have it because he was like, well, you got Christmas parties and you got this. And basically my sister planned it, but he took all the credit.

Well, see, that's the, that's the classic thing. You know, you're trying to tell your kid he's riding bike, even though he's got training wheels on and you're holding onto the bike still pushing them along. I know you need to sacrifice a couple of birthdays and let him do the whole thing and royally fuck it up and then let them know how bad he did so he can fix it next time. Do I just not plan birthdays for him or anything else? No date nights, nothing and just know what he wants basically. How's the marriage going? It's great. Really? These are very first world problems.

I mean, yeah, you're right. What does he want from you? I don't know. He says, Oh, our relationship's great. We got a good thing going. That's what he tells everybody. Yeah. You got a good thing going on. Oh, mess it up with all these plans. Okay. So besides that, I have a, a keep seller trade by seller trade. What do you got? No, it's not a wedding ring or trade. Keep seller trade. Okay. Okay. So I have this brand new Silverado. Congratulations. I hit a deal with, thank you. I hit a deal with it in October and it has been nothing but problems since. I got it fixed.

I've been in rental cars since December 4th. He wants me to keep this thing because, you know, he likes it. It's a brand new truck and I want to trade it in for suburban for more for our kids, you know? Okay. Well, there's the solution to both your problems. Keep the truck if he plans the next five dates. That's what he wants.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we got your leverage. This is about leverage. I forgot my own advice Charlie. It's all about leverage baby. Marriage is all about keeping score and having leverage over the other person. Yes, exactly. That's what marriage is and you have a built-in broken-ass Silverado as leverage. Use it to your advantage. Yeah. Okay. Well, I told him he could keep it. I would get a new vehicle. You know, we don't have to get rid of it. He can keep it, but then he has to sell his truck. Well, what do you like more? Do you like the new car? Do you like

date nights? You can't have both. Yeah, you got to pick one or the other right now. Baby steps for God's sakes. It's a marriage. It's a marriage. Not a dictatorship. It is a marriage. You can't have a perfect world. Are you kidding me? I work two jobs and I take care of everything with our kids. So that's why I said I deserve to have a new suburban.

Well, we know that you deserve a lot, but we're also realistic people here. Yeah, this is a starting point. It's not the end. So what do you want? Charlie deserves to have a gold toilet everywhere he goes, but he doesn't get that. No, porcelain most of the time. So what do we got to pick? Yeah. What do you want more? The, the, the car or do you want the date night? So let's just start with that. You know, selfishly I want the new car, but I probably should take the date night. You too are meant for each other. Yeah. It sounds like this date thing isn't even that big of

an issue. So I think, and it sounds like when they go on a date anyways, they just bicker about the car anyways. So you might as well just save your, you know, vocal cords. And you got two jobs, you got the money, you know, just, just go buy it and accept the consequences. I mean, what's he going to do? Go side by side. That's what I did. That's what I did with the truck. And now here I am. Yeah. Wait, what'd you do with the truck? I don't know. She bought a truck that doesn't work.

I thought about a truck and just without, without really asking him and then here we are. Oh, I see. I see. I see. I see. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you did marry him and I'm guessing you dated before you got married. This isn't a, uh, uh, mail order husband situation. I'm guessing you dated him before you said yes. Just throwing that out there. Correct. But he didn't, he didn't side by side before we were dating that this is a thing since marriage. Okay. Perfect. He's too consumed by the side-by-side. Just take it out, hit a deer with it, that thing won't work,

and now you both don't have cars that work, and now all of a sudden, what else are you gonna do? Go on a date. I like it. He'll have a lot of money freed up to take me on a date. That's true, there you go. Look, if he gets a side-by by side, you get the car you want. I think that's, that's pretty, uh, just go, just go do it. You know, what's he going to do after you, after you done it?

I can just tell him if he, if he, if we can make a deal, if he gets me a new truck, he has to take me on one date a month, but I'll let him get a new side by side too. You're throwing so much, like keep your leverage for God's sake. Save the side. But your, your negotiations are worse than some, I won't say it, but why don't throw in the new side. Like he's got everything he wants right now. You're in the position of power. You can't let him think it otherwise. So just tell him that we got to go on more dates and he has to plan them. Know that he just won't go on dates. Right? No, I'm two separate issues here. Two

separate issues. I have a genuine question here. I don't want to say that my wife is in the same scenario, but my wife plans stuff and I show up. And so I'm wondering a little bit if I'm part, if I'm a problem, you know, what, why, why is, what is your strong desire to have him plan something? Where is that coming from? Why do you want him to plan something so bad? Because I have the a hundred percent mental load for the kids and for work. And I just, this isn't about dates at all. This isn't about dates at all. Yeah. You want them to change a couple more diapers.

You want to go on a spa day on a Saturday and have him watch the kids and not be worried on if he's keeping them alive or not. Well, yeah. Let me ask you this. Does a side by side have a backseat? Well, yeah. Let me ask you this. Does a side by side to have a backseat? No, no. Does it got a bed? No, they're they're race machines.

So, yeah, don't want the kids. Not like a general where it has a big old box or anything. But I, but I think that's all we're really looking at here, Charlie. Yeah. It's not even about dates. No, well, I'll be honest, it seems gobsided. I mean, he's he's a farmer. I get it. But during the summer, I get why you're doing two jobs and the kids.

But during the winter, there's there's no reason you're doing two jobs in the kids. I think I got it, Charlie. OK. You need to win this. This is a competition. Marriage is a competition. You need to win this. This is a competition. Marriage is a competition. You need to win this. But yeah, exactly. By taking away the thing he loves without taking it away. So if he's not going to plan shit, you plan stuff for yourself.

You dump the kids on him when he's supposed to be going on a side by side. And I can tell you this much that after a couple of weeks of that, he's going to be like, okay, what do you want? And you're going to say during the week, you're changing diapers on Tuesdays and Thursdays and sometimes for every other Friday. And you're planning every fucking date from here on out. Then you get your side by side back. Boom. Oh, I can. So when we get that, when we get the, we're in a side by side club.

So when we get the calendar for the year, I just have to plan something for myself and all those dates. Correct. And plan it early before he wakes up. So he just wakes up to having the kids that he's got to deal with. So he doesn't even have a choice. I like how you say we're in a side by side club. Are you going outside by siding?

Occasionally date night that she plans for him. Yeah. What would happen if you did that? What do you think his response would be? He'd be like, you knew I had this stuff going on. You're like, well, I had stuff going on too, so deal with it. I don't know. And then he's gonna come to the table and negotiate,

slap some tariffs on him. some tariffs on them. Well, no, no, that's a good word. That's what a lot of people say, but we'll let history decide. I mean, really? What's the worst that can happen? Correct. Yeah. That's, I guess the question. What is the worst that can happen? Are you, you sounds kind of codependent on you. So he's not going to leave you. No, he's not. He married up for sure. Well, there you go.

You got all the leverage in the world. So the world is your oyster. All right. Well, I'm probably going to get the suburban. Get that suburban. Get that suburban. Yeah, just start taking stuff. That's how a marriage works. I did think about just, you know, telling them, like I just didn't pay

the electric bill or something. So he couldn't work on it side by side in the garage and then we'd have to go somewhere. Yeah. You just try it all at this point. You know, try it all. All right. Well make sure you plan a day for Ann because I know I don't want to be in her and have her in this boat. I know. I don't need her to call into a bunch of fucking idiots at a bar bitching about me. I wonder what my husband's going to think when he listens to this guy's going to know it's him. Well, okay, Charlie, what do you want to say to him? Look, my guy, you got to call in too, because I'm do you want to say to him? Look, my guy, you got to call in too, because I'm sure you got a side to this story. That's not being adequately represented.

I do love to hear his side. I'd also love to hear the specs on that side by side. Yeah, it's a racing one. I'd like to get a ocular pat down to that sucker. You can find him on TikTok tock. Well, how about you have him call into the hotline, leave a voicemail to us and then we can get a, get his side of the story too. Okay. I'll see if I can, if I can get them to do that or I might have to just call with a follow up. Okay. All right. It was an update of what

happens. All right. Well, tell him we says hi. He sounds like a real fun dude. Legitimately. He's probably the life of the party. My wife's dealing with all the kids. It's awesome. He's probably the guy out there with all his other buddies. You just gotta get your wife to take care of the kids all the time, dude. She's got two jobs and does all the kids. I mean, I want, you know, he's just like, I'm living like a king. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what if she leaves you? Oh, she's codependent on me. She's never leaving. Well, we appreciate calling in and good luck with your situation ship. He's a good man.

We've almost been married for four years now. So congratulations. Tell him we says hi. We will. Thank you. Bye bye now. What should I plan a date night for Ann? Man. I'm thinking about that. Yeah. What'd you do for Valentine's day? We were in Jamaica or Cambodia, Cambodia. Yeah. I went to Cambodia for Jamaica. I mean for it. It's inside joke with me and Jared. You wouldn't get it, but yeah, we were in Jamaica though. Did you plan that? I did not. Her friend did. Cause she planned to get married then. Did she actually get married? Her friend? Yeah. I hope so. Oh, you said she planned to get married. I thought she liked, but you guys had a trip

book trips. No trip books. We booked the trip because the friend was getting married. Yeah. And we went to the wedding. I get it. I get it. And I did book the flight and stuff. So does that count? That, that, I think that counts. I think that counts. You booked it. Now. Did you actually book it? Do you have one of your guys book it? No, I booked it. I booked it. All right. That counts. Yes. What's up? That buys me a year or two. All right, Charlie. We got a voicemail from Justin. The Jared's going to play. All right. Let's see what he has to say. Hey guys, I was just wondering if you have the same problem with me getting

a little bit too much lit in your belly button, take a shower, lay in your belly button. I've got to sing sometimes. And it's Justin. I'm 28. Justin. Uh, hold on. Yeah. Let me check. Oh, hang on. I got some right here.

We both have both have lint in our belly buttons. You have a puma on your smile. Yeah, that's cause I got, I got one too. I got a hair in mine. Yeah. You just get to a certain age. You got enough hair on your, on your belly that it just, the lint goes in and it can't get out. Yeah. It's like a street sweeper, you know, just shovels it right in there. It's like the, uh, the dune fuck bucket. They just stick your hand in. You can't get it out. Has Ann ever commented on your belly button? Oh, she despises it. If we show her that photo, she may puke. And so I make it a point that in the morning or in the usually in the evening,

I'll take it out and I'll look at her and I'll just drop it on the bathroom floor. Does she not look her dead in her eyes, you know? What's that about? When do you get more lint in your belly button? I don't know, as soon as you get hair going on down there, I feel like. Does Ann never? You got a hairy ass belly button.

You got lint coming out of there all day. Oh God. Let's see it. I cleaned it out this morning. I've got it out of the shower. Does it is so funny that we both just felt it was the exact same. Ah, my voice a little bigger. Does Anna ever get Linton her belly button? No, she doesn't have any hair on her belly.

It's really a hair thing. Huh? Just traps it all in there. Wow. Isn't that one of the miracles of life? I mean, how does that actually work to rent the land? I just like trim like a thing around the boat. It's like a fire lane, you know, for the fire, the little bike lane around the belly button

to keep it from trapping Lynn. The link cut. No, we, that's what we should do. Charlie. This is, Hey, musky tank with me right now. Okay. We're going to start selling, uh, like, you know how you can buy strips of like wax stuff that you can put on your skin and rip it off. Yeah. We'll just sell them in little circles with a little bit of wax around it. You just put it on around your belly button, you rip it off and you can get a, it's a deal. Enter. It's a deal enter the it's like, and people go to like our spa for it. You know how they like, I'm going to get a Brazilian, you know, I'm going to get a Barron's. Yeah. It's the man wax. We'll call it the Max, you know, and then just actually probably would work.

That's a great idea. Are we sure it's the hair that traps it in there? That's my guess. But Jake's by Googling it right now. Yeah. How do you? Oh, yeah. He just put his phone away. He's texting his girlfriend. Why is all day? What do you get? Yeah. How do you get it? Yeah. Belly button lint is also called navel fluff.

It's primarily made up of stray fibers from your clothing that get caught on your stomach hair, which then naturally directs the fibers towards the belly button where they accumulate due to the shape of the navel, essentially acting like a trap. It's a dune bucket. We got to do a whole thing on it, man. We got to do the belly, the BBT, the belly button trim, the BBW, like forget BBW. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Brazilian about B B W. Yeah. Brazilian BB BB BB B W. What'd you call it? The naval fluff. It's like the scientific term for it. That is fan fr of the shortest voicemails we got to just straight to the point. That voice. And that was like a Midwest Haiku. What he just said there was beautiful. It was like he was paying per character. He called us collector or something. Oh, okay. All right. I'm glad that we just exposed our naval fluff to the entire internet. Oh God, that's great.

I might lead with that in my special. Are you gonna? Come on. Lead with it. That's what that's what comedians always say. If you got a new bit, feeling good about that. Yeah, lead with it. Because usually bombs. I don't think this would bomb, I think. I'm going to have every guy stand up and everyone raise their hand. Who has belly button lint and it's so gross.

The the maintenance staff just fucking hates you because they got so much to clean up afterwards. So many dust bunnies. It's going to look like after they sweep a basketball court and that auditorium, a little thing, they walk behind. And then we do a prize for the person with the biggest one. I just never feel my special. It's just that the entire time just releases the belly, Lent crowd work special. God, what if, what if we collected all the wind and made a pillow? So girl, is it the, well, well, is that it? Charlie? I think that's it. Ladies and gentlemen, guys, thanks for tuning in

hanging out with us at the old town tavern here in Appleton, Wisconsin, the OTT. Yeah, you know me. We'll see you guys soon. Okay. Tip your bartender. See the next one.