Berner Phone - Almost 30: Spirituality For Dummies & Starseeds

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

Krista Williams and Lindsey Simcik are my favorite spirtual girlies and hosts of the incredibly popular podcast, Almost 30. They tell me everything about shadow work, starseeds, physical heart boundary practice and tarot cards. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Hell What's up you guys? This is a dream episode for me because when I was first starting my pod, this podcast was like what you look up to to one day be like. Like these were the successful girlies crushing the podcast game. Their website is so fucking. beautiful i've also been to their studio i've been on their pod and it's like the aesthetics or a vibe but

they're not just about the outside they're about the inside i'll take i would love to be seen as outside enough to be an outside perfect like they're not they're not just definitely on the inside i'll fucking take that you can stop there then it's just beyond beautiful um but i'm about to pick their fucking brains because like obviously burning hell i have a lot of comedians who don't know what's going on and a lot of demons. These people like know some wellness shit, some spirituality shit. And I can't wait to dig deep. We are with the host of almost 30. Christa Williams and Lindsay Simsec. Hey babies. Hey baby. I love to have you on. We laughed so much. We had so much. I was very jealous. I remember seeing you years ago and the name burning in hell scared me.

So I was like, I don't know if I want to do. No, I try to scare people. It's exactly. I'm like, I don't like hell. I don't want to do this. You're like, I feel the molecules in the room just melting. Like, I don't want to be here. Yes. We have these two pure hearts and we're about to bring them to the dark depth. She like said a prayer before you came into the video.

I was like cast and clear any demons from this space. You're like, do we have to sage right now? It's funny, I was scrolling through your podcast and you have like so many amazing things that you talk about. What is the superseding thing? Like the main point? Well, on your website, you can find your astrolode, like, super... Oh, yeah, yeah, your star seed thing. Your star seed, sorry, I called it super seed.

Yeah, yeah, super seed. You're like, what's the point? Is that your ovaries? What is that? So there's like a star seed quiz. So in spirituality or in our space, it's kind of out there in woo-woo. So if anyone is, like, not about that, you might be completely lost when I'm talking. You will be.

but there's the idea that we're star seeds so that would be an alien so like when we talk about aliens there's different types of aliens but we're getting right to right fucking it we have alien people that come on the show all the time it's the best it's like my favorite topic and you can take a quiz which alien like kind you're most like yeah have you ever been have you ever walked the streets of new york and been like that person is not from here like not from this planet have you ever seen like kind of a tall super skin it's like model like but like Like you're like, you're not human. Have you felt that?

Oh, so there, I mean, normally I just call them subway creature. Yeah, creature. It's a creature. Or once I went to a Walmart in Utah and I saw some weird shit. Yeah. Yeah. But is there like a physical look of an alien? Some of them.

So I feel like, yeah, there's definitely a physical look where I feel as though their hybrid is more alien than human. I think we're more human than alien that we do have. I feel like we're half and half star seed. We do, I mean, everything we do is like, you know, I believe it, but it's also, like, said with humor because if you tell most people, like, you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? No, I saw a quote that you guys had posted that was like, the only way to not believe in something is to. I love that. Yeah, yeah. I just said the most general Brennan Brown quote.

Yeah, literally. You're like, if you don't shoot for the moon and you miss, the stars will come rising. It was like you can never Something won't exist if you don't try to believe in it or some shit That's true Okay You have to believe something into existence Yes, that's true

But people can take the stars each place on our website pretty much But yeah you should and I highly recommend I would love to see what you are Arcturian It's kind of like just different types of astrology or human design You go would you just call me Arturian Literally

Because I'm tight No I'm so into this because I One thing I know by myself is I don't know lot I don't know I who am I to say what's going on in the universe and all that stuff so I've always come from a place of a lot of questioning and I love to see how people exist yeah exist in in this hardship of life a lot of struggle what gravitates me to you guys is you're such incredible entrepreneurs in so many ways I mean I joked about your website being gorgeous but like you guys really have done well of creating this incredible

brand. Like, it's even weird for me. The podcast host, no, you are a full company. How long have you been doing it? And did you always envision you were going to be entrepreneurs? No, definitely not. I think you've always had an entrepreneurial sense and essence in you. And anger. Yeah. I definitely, like, yeah, we've been doing this for six years. And we started on our closet floors during a time when Krista and I, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners are in their 20s and feeling as though they should have the answers, like going through life transitions of a breakup, of trying to choose their career, of finding their purpose. And we just felt lost. Like, felt like, why didn't we learn this in school from our parents elsewhere? And so we found

a lot of, like, comfort in our conversations as new friends. So that really started the podcast where we wanted to just like be honest, be vulnerable and talk about it. But we never thought it would turn into what it is today six years later which is you know like a global brand and yeah hundreds of millions of downloads yeah it's just it's it's it's wild but I also think that that's kind of part of the like secret sauce in that you know we kind of kept the main thing the main thing and didn't allow like okay so we got to get this many downloads by this date and we got to make this much money we were always just committed to the mission of like being super honest along our own evolution and journey and just sharing it with people and bringing people on so that we could

satisfy our curiosities and hopefully like serve everyone else. I did like that you guys talked about yourselves on the website, but then you also said like, and we're always evolving. Yeah. Because yeah, you're a six year podcast. You're not the same girls you were when you started. We did an episode where we listened to our first episode. It was special. It was like we, first fault we talked for um one minute and we're like okay so we're going to promise we're going to be real with you guys like we're going to be really real with you guys the audio the mics were like all over the place we said totally and like i said totally every second she would say a word and i was like totally totally totally totally i used to say 100% all the time it's like i would say hell yeah a lot

i was like yeah i was like whoa where's hell yeah coming from we were just 20 minutes 20 minutes into it i think i was like no i was like no i was like no i was like no i I was like, before we get started, I was like, I almost was like acting like I knew about like transitions or something, but it was like not a transition. We did segment. We did segment called 100 not 100 where it was like 100 like cool or not cool. And we'd be like, and we would have our friends write in or call in and ask dating questions. Yeah.

And they'd be like, we'd have to tell them what to say. They'd be like, hey, I'm Jamie from Oklahoma. We didn't have any listeners. And she was like, I am dating someone. We're like, dating someone and you're cheating on. and he's cheating on me and we would have the best questions we tried so many different things but I think it resonated well because we were early on I think was early was also but we were just like two girls that were exploring life in this really intimate way but about the website and just

kind of the brand stuff it's different I think if you're a comedian I think you can think about having a brand but it's like almost like comedians it's kind of like cool when you don't care like that yeah it's like Pete Davidson not having an Instagram exactly it's like you know the shitty site is like dope I mean, Canadians don't even know how to answer email. For our audience, it's like, you kind of have to have the aesthetic right. Like, aesthetic is all part of the girl stuff, you know? Yeah, and I mean, it speaks to both of you, though, like, people aspire for that, but both of your tastes are really fucking good.

Lindsay, what career did you have before this? Right before this was I was a soul cycle instructor. But I had always, like, pursued acting, singing all the things. Like, I wanted to be on Broadway when I was here living in New York. I wanted to pursue TV and film, or I was pursuing TV and film in L.A. And my odd jobs were like SoulCycle, I was a fit model, I was a bartender, did all those things. And if I, like, looking back, I can connect the dots now and understand exactly why, you know, like being a soul cycle instructor, I'm on the microphone. I'm leading a group in a room, inspiring people, all those things.

Didn't realize that when I was like sweating my tits off seven days a week. Getting crashes on your ass. suit. I mean, yeah, my vagina is so thankful. We're done. But, um, also that's like emotionally intense to be getting rejected all day in your creative field, because that's just what acting is. And then having to be at like peak top high pressure job. I've heard about the steps to even become a soul cycle instructor. And it, it, I mean, it has culty vibes. And then you, when you're there, like, you're competing to be like the popular. I mean, it gives me hives. Yeah. thinking about it yeah and i think with the acting thing you know like i just i think in my journey with

that i just kind of got to the point where i was like really exhausted with trying trying and waiting to be picked you know and i think i mean i'm like just girl next door vanilla boring kind of vibe to most casting directors so i kind of hit that point where like that was no longer what they wanted at all so i was you know it was really cool to like create something where i no longer had to wait to have a platform or be hurt you yes and to create i love it so much christia what were you doing i was in the corporate world baby oh god i could see you i could see you just being a shark i was like stomping around in my heels i was like silo sell high no i was like at my first job was in management consulting and i'll never forget my second day i had my second breakfast and it was 10 a m i had got to

work at night and I was like there's seven more hours of this what the fuck am I going you didn't even have the like honeymoon period when you first got a job for like you know a month you're kind of I remember my phone I remember I had to call someone I was like kind of an assistant for like an encounter I had to call someone and someone answered it was an assistant answering the phone and I was another assistant and I hung up on her I was like terrified I was like hello and I was like couldn't even like make a call I was like so bad. We had this room on the 12th floor called the cry room. I was just so emotional.

I just, I hated the whole thing, but I found community with the people I worked with. You know, you kind of like trauma bond. And you're like, this sucks. Like, let's be together. But through my journey in the corporate world, I was always just like never a fit, but I would just do different jobs in the world. Yeah. And it sounds like both of you were good, not when you started, but you were like good at what you were doing.

Except my last job. I got put on a performance plan. I literally. What did the job entail? So it was a digital marketing job. My client was Hidden Valley Ranch. So I was, it was amazing. So we, you know the mug?

I made this mug. One of my ideas was making a mug that said, wish this was ranch. That was a good one. That's a good one. So I had Hidden Valley Ranch. And I blew ass at my job because almost 30 was coming and happening. You came up with one mug idea. You can't tell you.

One mug. Literally. I was like, give me commissions on that fucking mug. And I remember, you know, my boss was like, you know, performance has been really bad. We need to have a conversation about this. And was like, we're going to have 90 days for performance, like whatever. I told my husband, I was like, I'm excited. I got this plan.

I feel clear on what I need to do. He's like, is it a performance plan? I was like, yeah, he's like, is it a performance improvement plan? I was like, yes, he's like, that's a last step before you're fired. He's like, they're trying to find. He's firing limbo. He's like, they want to fire you so. bad that they're trying to find proof of it. It was because I just was so obsessed with almost 30 and

you know, I love the corporate world is really important because it helped us so much with business. So if anyone's listening and they have a corporate job, like not to shit on it, it was so helpful for having understanding business, business etiquette, partnerships, money management, all that kind of thing. It really set us up. But it was painful for me to do the bullshit. I hated having to go to happy hours. I hated having to go in the office all the time. I hated the politics of it. Like I just I just could not I just couldn't stand it. I was like, why do I have to hang out with my coworkers? Like, why?

Like, I was like, I didn't want to be with them. I didn't want to be doing anything. And I was, most people just like, are like, oh, it's fine. You just take it. I could not. I was like, I can't do this. Yeah. Yeah, it gets to the point where, like, you'd rather be struggling as an entrepreneur

than having that steady paycheck. They do say, the only thing more addicting than heroin is a salary. Really? Wow. Wow. Yeah. But it's like, if you're like, I'd, rather like not do anything than that's where it is yeah are you guys empaths yeah because i see

that word kind of all over your brand can you explain like the traits of an empath or are you an empath would you consider yes i would say that yeah i would say so an empath i just did an episode on this and an empath um i think if you're probably in performance or comedy you most likely or you might be because you're more in tune to like things but an empath is basically someone that feels to a degree that might be outside the norm so someone might pick up on energy or vibes a lot of people say or emotions or feelings or even like of a space in place so you could go to a hotel and you're like the vibes are off this feels weird or you could um be in like a place like new york and you can be like well it's a little too much for me there's too much sound too much music too much lights there's too

much going on. So it's someone that like almost has like a sensory a sensory experience with a lot of things. And empaths can be people that oftentimes are codependent. They're oftentimes a meshed. They oftentimes prioritize other people's needs for their over their own for safety issues or for validation. Yeah like a lot of girls are empaths. They're like I'm an empath. But it's really like them giving their power away to other people. Yes. You know. And I also is it like this is a question like picking up on other people's emotions and experiences and almost taking it on as your own or feeling it just as much as they're feeling it.

Yes. Like you know those times when like this was like me, my whole high school with like my friends he cheated on like he would cheat on one of us and it would be like we were all crying and we were all like losing our minds. Totally. We were all just like freaking out like we would just totally be in the emotion of someone else when like we know

as you get older that boundaries are important it's important to be there for your friends or be there we murdered him. Literally. Like we don't feel anything now. and we would like tepee their house we would and that was so it's like how can people be there for people and have empathy like it's important to have empathy for anyone but also be able to be enough of their own person to be in their own experience so you're not like walking into your office at work as an example just if you're working in the corporate world and you're just like taking it on all the energy

of your co-workers or your boss and just like being someone else or feeling feelings for other people when they're not really your own. Ooh, yes. I also think I have ADHD. So then I think things overlap and they're intertwined. Like, for example, if there is a scratchy tag in my shirt, the day's done. Like, I can't function until it's off. And, like, someone would say it's sensory overload from, like, being empathic.

Some would just say you have ADHD. There's, like, so many different reasons. I think sometimes I'm not that in touch with my own feelings. But, you know, like, I'll leave a gathering and be exhausted. Yeah, 100%. And I'm not a shy person, but I'm like, I need to be with my cat for three days now. Yeah, to get your energy back. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like that sometimes can be your walking into a room and either you're kind of feeling like you have to perform. Like, I kind of am like that too. Like, as someone that's a comedian or someone in your space, you're like, okay, I have to. Or I'm very aware that everyone's having a good time. Like, even my own wedding, I was a little too, like, are you guys having fun, though? Like, I know you're here for me, but are you having fun? Yes.

When I have no control. for that. That's the codependent, which can also be an empath. So you can, like, walk up to someone and you're like, and you could perceive that they're not having fun. And then you're like, fuck, they're not having fun. I'm picking up that they're not having fun. And then you could kind of not have fun because they're not having fun. And it's like, how can you be in your own experience? Like, this is my fucking wedding. That was my whole practice during, like, for the wedding process. Oh, tell me. I'm curious your experience, too, in planning a wedding. Like, I from the get really had to be clear with myself because I do care a lot. Like, people's like,

experiences, how they feel about my choices, or at least that feels like old Lindsay or younger Lindsay. And I'm really trying to kind of step into my own experience, my own desires. But like a wedding is for you and your person. It is all about you guys. Granted, there could be moments that are dedicated and like special for, you know, your close loved ones. But it was such a practice for me to not give a fuck what other people thought. Because we did it differently. Yes. And even on the day of, I found, I had a few Virgo moments, a few moments of just wanting to control things, where I'm like, are you

having a good time? Did you eat? Like, can we keep the, you know, this while I'm moving, blah, blah, blah. Um, but overall, I was so proud because by the end of the night, like, I don't know. Some people might have been like, that was kind of weird. Like, I have no idea. Most people I think had fun, but I didn't even have, I didn't even have a thought. What was the most

non-traditional thing that you did? Um, so we had a ceremony Friday. And, like, intimate dinner and then on Saturday we did like a huge party a huge party and at the party one of the kind of non-traditional things was I had this vision of having like a choir like Kanye Sunday service choir style and so a friend of mine helped me put this together and they performed I performed with them at one point and it set the fucking tone it was just but it's you it's yeah it was totally me and it was totally us like we listened to sunday service like every

weekend like on sundays and it was just he and i knew that it was special but then it also just like because it was so different i think it jerked people out of the usual like okay so now we go upstairs and we have like yes past past hors dubs on a little napkin people are going to like six weddings in a summer yeah i mean literally inserting different grooms and stuff it's so I do think COVID has changed the mindset because for the first time, people were forced to do weddings differently. And then I think people started to be like, wait, I don't need a 300-person wedding. And you're married. Yes. I got married like a year ago. Three wife, three recent wife. Wow. Everyone listened to us. We know everything. Yeah, literally like dating advice,

want to get the man. And literally, like, people think you know shit. Oh, my God. I know. I think people think I'm old now when my husband was like oh yeah there's my wife yeah I was like how dare you call me an old maid literally I am your mistress yes I'm your sexy mistress yes I'm a girlfriend like honestly I had a fear of getting married of being old like being called a wife feels old oh my god and then you get the questions start coming yeah when you got a baby once a baby once a yeah what's surprise you most though about like that you love about like that you love about being married about being a wife can you guys tell that I'm with professional podcasters because we're turned out on each other we're like we're like that meme where

they're all like pointing guns at each other the spider man what surprised me most is that I actually got well for the ceremony I actually got really nervous yeah I was I called it my green room but like it was the bridal suite and everyone was already out I actually hadn't even seen what it looked like like I just kind of trusted I had a wedding planner and I trusted her, because I just didn't want to worry about it. Because what's the worst thing to happen? I'm not going to like something. We can't change it.

Can't change it. So I'm just in there and I'm like, I perform for hundreds of people. I can do this and I get there and I see all these people in a crowd looking at me, Des looking at me. I start walking down. My heart's was pounding and I'm holding hands with him and you feel the weight of the moment. And I really wanted to also. Like I wanted to cry.

Like I was afraid that I wasn't going to feel it. Totally. Because beforehand, it's like, well, I get married. I don't give a shit. I always would be like, I was never the girl that cared about getting married. But I felt it and it was an important kind of just life event that even though there's a lot of external kind of factors to it that people could think are like unnecessary. It was a great, I really felt closer with him after. Yeah.

I felt closer. I felt like there was a real like, we weren't joking. Yes. It wasn't about it. They're like, I didn't feel different. I'm like, I felt very different. Yeah. I felt very different.

Yeah. I also, we were only engaged, we got engaged in six months and then I guess married after a year. So like we've always just been on this path to like, I guess that moment. Yeah. Yes. What was your guys situation after marriage? I'm trying to think. So I do remember being really like I had like when I read my vows, I was a lot more nervous than I thought.

Like I wanted to be so powerful. I think even speaking at her wedding, I was so much more nervous than I. thought. But after the wedding, I felt way closer. I felt like a difference. But honestly, it's been really beautiful. And there's been so much that's come up because we've been together for a long time. But we also like weren't. We committed. But like this was like another level of. Yes. It's another level. It's another level where you're like, no, this is. This is real. This is like your family. You're doing it. You're like putting it all on the line. So it's been interesting because it's been beautiful and fun. But there's also been a lot that more that's come up than I thought.

in the relationship, you know, just like around, around our visions for life, around the things that, like, normally when we were dating, because we've been together 10 years, we're like, just a thing. It was like, oh, whatever. It's just a concept. But then it's like when you're married,

you're like, this is forever. You know, you're like, do I want to see with someone that leaves their, like, bowls in the sink forever? Like, you just become kind of, you just go out of divorce. Yeah, literally, like crazy out of your life. You become crazy.

on the forever concept and you kind of have to like let it integrate and just be whatever it is yeah you know you guys i mean the fact that you congrats on 10 years dude 10 years is a vibe it's a long it's a funny vibe we were that's exactly i mean i remember one time we were like talking about something he's like you need to understand when we first started dating you were listening to like rap music going to the club and now you listen to like gospel rock he's like it's been a long journey like literally and it's true like we used to go to like um whip and like tau here like we used to like go out and like do molly all the time and just like party and now i'm like i don't drink i'm like doing star seed quizzes like this poor this poor kid is like yo what

is this being that i'm with that i'm just like it's funny because we have two different situations and i do think those are relationships there's relationships that you meet someone and there's something that connects you and then you grow together yes and then like des and i we grew separately and then like I joke I'm like oh I miss I wish I he's 46 I'm like I wish I met you when you were younger but then I think like would we have been ready for each other totally and how everything he experienced made him that man that I liked when I met him but people don't people don't know this Lindsay is like rare fresh fresh I'm medium rare fresh four hours ago four hours ago do you feel right here after fresh off the altar the post fresh

interview. I'm still wearing white. Was it? If you're watching the video podcast. Yeah. How do you feel? I will wear white for another year. Um, I do feel different. And I, and I, and I feel as though I feel different. And I'm still like kind of taking it in. But our families came together for basically the first time. Like our moms had met and totally bonded. But to see our families integrate in the way that they did and really just have these like beautiful sweet moments over the weekend and to have our friends like witness you know not only the wedding but like yeah just like feel us you know because like we know us and we're like totally confident and cool in us but like it was just a very cool mirror moment of like

wow like we are this we are doing this and we're committed and so yeah I do feel different I feel like I I look at him differently. I see him differently a little bit. And I kind of feel the same from him. I'll have to ask him if he feels different. Like, are you more obsessed with me? I know. I'm like, how much more do you love me?

Like, how pretty is your way? But you're right with the family's connecting. Yeah. I do, one thing I love is I love matchmaking. I love friend, like, getting friends together. Because then I love like putting it on them being like, I made you. Like I had this year. Like my friends just got married who introduced in the whole wedding.

I was like, this is my wedding. I was like, I'll cancel. be like you wouldn't even have plans if it wasn't for fucking me introduce to you guys. So like feeling like you're the reason that these people now have like a new family. It's so cool. And to see the family and be like his cousin is talking to your uncle and you're like

these people never have. Some people I was like what the fuck could they possibly be talking about? Someone from Bravo was talking like Des's guy from the country club and I'm like this is alcohol at its house. I do feel like with Lindsay too like when you're talking about the growing apart like you guys did so much growth. Yes. To find each at this place where you could then kind of start.

It'll be three years in October. Solid. But we've known each other for 10. We met at the club. Like we met like when I was a bottle girl. Yeah, way back in the day. So we've been like connected friends. He went hard for me in the beginning.

And I was like absolutely not. No shot in hell. And then I pursued him this time round. And but yeah, it was we did. I was single for seven years. Well, men in their 20s are not okay. not okay I mean he was he was a little bit more evolved than most I think that's what freaked me out I actually wanted the guy that would not have any time for me be a total

douchebag like snort the pre-workout at the club table that's who I was after yeah that's after the abuse I have some other questions for you guys that I self would just selfishly want to know about you said there's a physical heart boundary practice so you you what the fuck is it dude i love these questions because your audience is like a physical heart boundary practice did i talk about that did i talk about that okay this is what it is i can totally make something up right now okay okay this is what it is okay you know what it is i know what it is okay so might have been on your blog or something no you're i have no blog but it's all good um so i know your website yeah yeah i know what it is it does our girls our girls totally does so this

we never read it for someone that is an empath and for someone that can be codependent this is for those people that can get caught up in a situation or an environment. So say you're with a bunch of people and you can kind of feel yourself just like getting lost and this is like an empath thing. Or you can be with someone that's really fucking emotional or someone that's really rude or mean or people that just like have an energy

that you sort of want to be separate from. And I think this is like a practice for people can do at work with family members. People can do on the subway. People can do readily any time. And I'll just put my hand over my heart to remember that I have my physical body that like I'm here. So it's like a sensory perception of like putting your

fingers over your heart where you're like, I am me where you're not getting too caught up in other people. So if I'm having a hard conversation with someone, I'll usually do it so I can be like, okay, how can I soothe myself in a way? Because oftentimes it's like a soothing method. How can I soothe myself and bring myself back to the moment? Because otherwise you could just get so caught up in the vibe or the energy. Like you're just like, all right, they're yelling. I'm yelling. They're talking about this i'm talking about this and kind of lose yourself so it's like a nuanced way i like to just like protect the ability to self-sues is huge so powerful huge because i think in your 20s you don't even like you're like i don't even deserve to be soothed right now like i was like i mean i would just do

pre-work i'd be like on the subway and just like 20 soul cycle classes a day on like another 10 this is good right this is literally and that's even in relationships you have to learn to like first soothe yourself and then what happens a lot of times for relationships is people look to other people for soothing yes so they're wanting like they're hype they're stressed out my i even noticed this past weekend with someone that i know closely it's like they were all hype and emotional about something and i wasn't and they were like i feel like you don't care and i'm like no i'm not getting caught up in your energy of like it's okay yeah you're good like we're good it's all you're so fine see i think it's i thought of as like a skill that i can match like anyone's energy and

moment but it's fucking draining a shit yeah you can't like someone's trauma dumping i'm like let's fucking go yeah the next thing i know i'm like i feel horrible yeah i feel dirty almost yeah you can just be like hand over your heart where you can be listening to someone and be present but you're like my body is mine and i'm not going to take on their energy because that's when you get tired and exhausted afterwards and it also will change your relationships a little bit whether it's like it might kind of disregulate the other person because they might be used to you being like yes they might be used to you being like yes they might be used to you coming down with them and being down here and kind of like swimming in that and you are kind of holding how you feel you're being a supportive friend or whatever but there's not that like oh let me relate and let me let's talk about all the terrible things and i do think your 20s and 30s is where like you start having your boundaries yes and then you start seeing which friends are like just your party friends which friends are actually actually there for you which friends are maybe using you for something you guys both come across very like self-assured and just because this podcast is about me trying to help myself actually

I am so bad at saying no to things I could see that especially as like when you start doing better more people want stuff from you yeah so what used to be fine that you said yes to everything because only one person would ask you for something a week I like cannot say no to things yeah and because I I just think they're going to think I'm a bitch yeah that is the thing it's like thinking about, you know, what does this, what am I telling myself about this if I say no? If I say no. What's the narrative? Do I think that people are not going to like me?

I'm not going to get asked again. I'm not going to be successful. It's going to go away. And we, you know, you've been in the business. It's like I had that to where I would say yes to everything. And then I think I was in enough disrespectful situations where I was like, that was total disrespect. Yeah.

Like that person was a complete narcissist on that podcast interview or they didn't show up or something i was like why am i doing that like bending over backwards but it's hard in our industry because you're like is this going to go away yeah no you're right it's going to stop but i think we started to see certain people in our space or just friends who would say no and be so good at saying no and i was like and you want it more hard i was like boner that is perfect like that is the energy i want everyone likes them yes so i'm exhausted and everyone likes them more like they're like say no and you're just like what yes because you can say no without it feeling terrible and without like having to like lie too bad yeah yeah yeah yeah like oh my god my my grandma died again yes and then you get

like totally would but i can't like i know and i i've realized that i want more from people that say no like there is that thing where it's like being too available i think yeah yeah but i don't know if we're we're getting a lot better with boundaries but i feel like with boundaries i think it's like such a popular topic in our world now with like insta therapy and people just kind of like being in the therapy online space where they're learning about all these topics but it's like there's such a difference between being like no like boundary like don't do that you can't go and just like actually get away yeah like no this is a boundary don't ask me about that and yeah being in the energy of so much self-worth that like you exist as a boundary and people would know to not fuck with you

or push you or like with you guys you have two podcasts a week that you do plus you probably get asked to go on so many podcasts that's where i have trouble because i'll like be friends with a lot of people or all of like comics and i'm like i am so fucking busy and you and you don't want to say no yeah or i'll have people who you realize like in our industry my company is me so i don't have a turnoff i i'm me the whole day it's not like 6 p.m you clock out and all people will be like oh can i send you this and you'll be like oh no i'm um i'm not around that that week can we send it this week oh i'm actually not around that week you don't respond to an email and then they're like oh we'll make it happen you get it. Hey did you get it? And I'm like I didn't ask for any of this next you know I'm the villain

because I know I was doing something and I'm like I never even wanted to be in this situation. Yeah yeah especially with social it's an interesting thing when you start to obviously brands are like interested in wanting you to try their products and share and all you can do favors and you kind of have to decide like oh yeah you do not favors people are like Hannah's page sucks yeah literally but you got to be clear yeah you just got it like I feel like we said yes all the time oh my god everything everything and thought like well I should just be happy that I'm getting these products

and these brands and blah blah blah yeah but then it becomes like yeah becomes unclear like why am I sharing about this dumbass thing I had someone like a guy in the industry was like nothing is free and it's so it's trite and it's overused and it's basic but he's like nothing is free yeah so when you are getting something sent to your house or you're getting

something free a hotel or whatever they want something from you. No one is just giving it to you with no hope you'll share, no hope that you'll do whatever. So it's like, don't just take anything unless you're going to like do something about it. And now I'm kind of more like that too. And after a while you're like, okay, this is like not interesting to me. You know anymore. And I do think you value your time and your 30s.

I am so fucking excited. You need an assistant. You should act like you have an assistant. This is the thing. Go to your emails and say, hey, I'm, I'm, you know, Emily. I work with Hannah. and she can't do an act like she can't I've heard that for a little bit I actually like when we first started I acted like we had an assistant so that is so fucking good yeah because it actually gives

you a space between you need a buffer accessible all the time yes yes but yeah in your 30s I feel like I'm going to value my time more in your 20s you get this fear of like this is the best time of your life and you have to live sleep when you're dead I'm like actually my 20s were not the best time I'm literally I would never go back never pay me oh it's so weird that people say that that they're the best time because you're like and also oh my god i remember i grew up in ohio and they'd be like college is the best years of your life i'm like i was so depressed i hated my life in college yeah it was fine like everyone was like you'd probably have fun but it's just boring and uninteresting and i feel lucky to go but it's like it just like gets better and better like you care so

much less i feel like you have a lot of societal pressure when you're younger of what you should do a lot of social stuff. What the way you look? Yes. And I've always loved older people because they don't give a shit. And I'm like, I can't wait to be an older person.

Like today I was in the elevator with this literal 80 year old woman. I was like, she's so cute. She knows who she is. She doesn't give her. She was so funny. And I was like, I want to be her. Like I was looking up to an 80 year old,

not the girl on Instagram. I want to be that 80 year woman in the lowly side with her groceries. Saying whatever the fuck she wants. Just like yelling at people, wild shit. Do you think she worries about boundaries? Yes, no, 100%. They don't give a fuck.

You just fish your pants. No one fucking cares. Ooh, okay. What's the deal with shadow work? What's happening? What is it? I love that. This is the best.

So, this is like spirituality for dummies. I know, I love it. No, it's good. Because I feel like it's a buzzy-ass word. Yeah. Seeing, you know, re-shared and whatever. But shadow work is what I consider kind of that inner work that you're kind of resistant to touching and for a reason there's kind of shadow parts of

ourselves we're all you know i like to think that we're all kind of like these light beings but we do have shadow and that that contrast makes us who we are it's like a beautiful thing and so you know those parts of you that you know are triggered activated that bring up a lot of emotion maybe confusion in relationships or situations, there can be these unintegrated parts of you that usually are, were created, formed in childhood. You know, so whether how you were raised,

relationships that you had, didn't have, abandonment, et cetera. And so these shadow parts of self, like, if not tended to and looked at and, like, shined a light on, then they will remain in the shadows. and they will tend to direct your life unknowingly, like really kind of run in the background

and inform the way you're showing up to relationships, inform the way you're showing up to work. So it's important that, you know, through different modalities, whether it's therapy, whether it's through meditation, journaling, group therapy, that you're able to at your own pace

and in your own way, like look at these parts and not shame them, or feel like, oh my God, these are like terrible parts of me. These are the parts that I can never show anyone. It's really, no, these parts just need a little love and attention and a little bit of integration so they're not like festering in a place unknown. Yeah. Yeah, I love that so much.

I also want to know, are your partners into wellness as much as you guys are or into spirituality or like bettering themselves? Bettering themselves, yeah. Because, like, Des doesn't believe in horoscopes, and it's, like, ruining. It's so annoying. It's so Scorpio, him. Wow. He's a Scorpio son. Scorpio, yes.

And you're a Scorpio Rising. Does he believe in any, like anything? I am Scorpio Rising, Virgo Moon, Leo Sun. And my best friend, Paige, is a Scorpio son, too. Oh, Leo son? Leo son. Love it. No, I know.

I'm like. Like, mega, duh. I'm the poster child of a Leo. Yeah, you're like, you don't believe in astrology. I'm like, how you don't believe in astrology? Yes, you're like, but look at me. And he's such a Scorpio. But you know what's interesting.

astrology, there's a lot of history to it. There's a lot of like background to like why astrology works as like a science. But it's more so the study of archetypes, which we can think about our whole, a lot of our culture is like archetypes. It's like a mother. When you think about a mother, that's an archetype. There's so much. So you say the word mother and it has so many meanings throughout history. You say a father, that's an archetype, has so many meetings throughout history. Even like, you know, the devil, we're talking about hell. Like the devil's an archetype. You know, so there's just like archetypal things. But Justin is like into it but not.

Like he tries to keep his own identity and doesn't want to be like a bitch. He doesn't like shame you. Yes, but doesn't, no. His mom is super spiritual so he doesn't shame me. But he doesn't want to like do everything I say and just be like my bitch, I guess. Yeah, he wants to be his own human evolving his own ways. And I think that's important. Like if you're in the space or of spirituality or whatever it is, personal growth,

and the whole time you're focused on what everyone else is doing and they're not doing enough, they're not meditating, they're not, you know, doing shadow work or they're not doing those things. That's not the point. Like the point is to figure out how to better yourself. And then your relationships will inherently be better. It's not like focus on like everyone else not doing all the work or not doing all the things. And when people, this is why it's kind of like with Insta therapy, like with Instagram therapy when you're kind of looking at all these phrases in terms, it's like everyone can kind of get like so like he's a narcissist. They're a narcissist. Everyone's a narcissist. Everyone's gaslighting. Everyone is all these things.

And it can actually make you, like, more separate than more, like, unified, which is really the goal. It's scary. It's so scary. I literally, like, okay, there's 7% of the population is narcissists, but you know seven of them. You're like, how is this real? And even boundaries, like, we had someone in our life place a boundary on us, like, or

not on us, me. Like, not on us, just me. So I got a boundary placed on me. And I was like, oh, wow, this is interesting. I'm getting a boundary placed. Like, how do I take this? this like what's my process for taking this boundary so i looked up i was like how to receive a boundary your husband forced you to just stay in the closet all day yes exactly wish it was my husband

because then i'd be like fuck your boundary but it was someone else and i was like how to receive a boundary there was nothing on the internet about how to receive a boundary it's always how to place boundaries how do you do all this things how do you create boundaries but no one is talking about how to receive boundaries so it's such a weird thing in our culture where it's always this kind of victim mentality, whatever. The victim narrative, or that, like, it's very black and white. Like, you're either a good person or a bad person. When, let me

tell you, it is so nuanced, what people are going through, and, like, there's so many times that you're the person on the other side of the conversation. And everyone's therapy. Are they, is everyone just the good person? That's exactly it. For the people they're talking about are all evil. In the book, Conscious Loving, which is a really good book for relationships,

Gay Hendricks, the author talks about in relationships, it's often the fight for the victim position. So, like, when you're fighting with your partner when you're fighting with someone you love or when you're fighting with someone at work you're really both fighting to be the biggest victim and it's like how can you come out of that

to be like okay you know we're not victims we're like conscious and that's also no way to resolve anything to be like I'm the one yes like well you said this you did this you know you're kind of just continuing that cycle when you're continuing to be the victim yeah Lindsay what about your partner

he's obsessed with growth for sure but like I mean some things I bring to the table he's like he's like ma'am take it over there um he's always he's always supportive but like he just i think he loves to like kind of let me do my thing when it comes to like the more out there things however and this is such a big learning for me like especially with him in the beginning 10 years ago i wanted to change him i wanted to change i'm like well if he was just like this and like this then i maybe would date him da da da and i just felt that need to change and i just felt that need to change

and I would do that with other people I dated too. And now it's been such a practice because he allows me to be who I am, you know, and he doesn't try to change me. And the more that we've just allowed each other to be who we are, the more that, one, we're happier and more connected, but two, I find that we pick up on each other's, like, really beautiful things that they do. So whether it's like his practice of, like, writing every day or it's my practice of, you know, what is the practice that he's picked up? Oh, I have this like amethyst

like red light mat, the mat. And dude, he's obsessed. He's like, he's like, are we taking the mat out tonight? I'm like, absolutely, sir. My cats love the mat. Yeah. Cats love the mat. But it's like those little things that they kind of, because I'm not telling him to do it, he's just like, wait, what's that? What are you drinking over there? What do you take in? This is all like in this, concept of intimacy is like pretty scary. It's funny because Dez, I like, he naturally won't do like random. He's Irish Catholic. So he won't be like crazy touchy-feely.

Like he's good normal, but like I'm have Italian and I'm just like, m-ram-ram-ram-ram-rat. So I did this thing where like I would randomly just like kiss him on the forehead. Just randomly. And one day he like went up to me and kissed me on the forehead. And I was like, like a dog. Like Darwinism. Like I was like, oh, he figured him out. Got it.

But it was, if I had said, why don't you kiss me on the forehead? He would have been like, stop. It's so annoying. Yes. That's with anything. You want to just show and not tell. Trick them. Yes.

You want to literally. Model. 100%. How do you feel like your sex lives have evolved over time in terms of intimacy and getting married and all that? What about you? Me? Yeah. Listen.

You're like, I will not answer. How far are we going? I feel like we were like very, very, very hot and heavy. And then like I feel like the sex after getting married feels like my person like that. It's a little sweeter. And it's and it's a little more like, oh, we're doing this for the rest of our lives kind of thing. And I do think you have to put a little more effort after getting married because you're less. I mean, people did say, and people don't talk about enough, I think that people get so scared when you have sex less.

but they say that wanting to have sex all the time is almost like a way to get affirmation that the person's into you all the time so the fact that you're not fucking like twice a day anymore means you're actually secure so there's actually a medium that you have to find that I think like we've kind of found we're actually at the point where before like we would never reject either of us or now like I'll actually be like babe I'm bloated and he'll be like I didn't really need to anyway, I just felt like we could. I didn't really need to either. And like, we never did that before because we were a little more.

Yeah, we haven't done it. So that's our experience. And I think like, yeah, I think for us in the beginning, it was like beginning beginning when we first started dating and like even 10 years ago, it was like, it has to be the best every fucking time. I need to put on a goddamn show. And he would be. so nervous and like it was it was just all sorts of whatever but now and it's interesting like because clearly like men and women do have different sex drives but also like I just find that

even the communication about it when you're not in it is like kind of a fun sexy like way to kind of remind myself of like the fun of it and that it doesn't have to be the best every time like we can just really be spontaneous and not just feel so much pressure around it yeah you don't have to judge it exactly exactly I think about the effort when I like put in when I was like downward dog I think about the effort I put in like college and even when I was like in high school new underwear every single swallowing my mom's like what are these charges what do you mean oh my god I remember in high school they'd say you know come makes your teeth white right oh my god I'm actually that's most like that one I would believe because they would say acne.

It helps with your acne. Oh my God. Oh, my God. What bitch started that rumor? Holy shit. It burns fat. Yeah, they're like, what do you have? Yeah, literally. It helps your metabolism.

I remember my first boyfriend would like come on my face. And I remember I told my like high school program. I was like, yeah, doesn't every guy do that? They're like, no. Oh, my God, yeah, you get so tricked. I thought all girls were swallowing. Same. And I literally was like, the only thing I was nervous about was the swallowing part.

And then one day I woke up and I go. I'm not fucking swallowing anymore. Put a cup next to the bed and we'll figure that shit out. Like, we're gone. Like, it's more like me, boundaries. Boundary, baby. I don't feel like it. That's a boundary, babe.

But yeah, it's already came. Like, he doesn't care. Literally, he doesn't care. It is nice to, um, it is nice to be in that flow in marriage where there doesn't feel like, because I remember the transition in marriage or when you first start dating you're fucking all the time. And then you're not fucking all the time. You're like, am I ugly?

Mm-hmm. Am I disgusting? Do you not like me? And you kind of settle. into like oh this relationship so much more than sex yeah it's so much more than that part which is so important but it's like this connection is the most important thing and you don't rely on that so much as like your gauge for everything in your relationship when you're first dating someone you can hide every drama in your life like when you see him at the date work was great

I feel great my family's great then when you're living together like my pussy shaved I'm clean You're born like that? I heard she poops. And then life is hitting you and suddenly someone is witnessing you getting like punch in the face by life occasionally. And they're a part of it with you and you are not this perfect first date human that like I love to cultivate. So that's also what I've learned is that you both live in perfect lives. And when we joke on Brittany and how it's finding someone who's demons who want to fuck your demons. I love that.

I'm like Chris I also have to ask you what is this tarot card endeavor that you're doing because I'm very excited about it do you like tarot cards I've been you're burning in hell some people think tarot cards are like devilish so this is like perfect I think tarot cards are incredible and I've I've done it only twice and both times it was super super powerful really really accurate where oh my god I was I was in what came through babe oh my god i was in the worst breakup of my life i actually was dating this comic who was like successful and i was kind of like his like i just didn't feel seen i also had finished my tennis career i had really nothing going on i think i might just started my work at betches but like nothing was really going on i was like 25 i was so lost whatever and i felt like when our relationship ended i was like i just feel hopeless yes she pulled out a card of my future and it was a woman with a star crown and she was like oh you're going to be a star no way

wow and like obviously like it was my when she says you'd be a star it means like i'm gonna find love for me yeah like i'm gonna find yeah and and because i just i always said i don't want to be with someone who dims my light yeah it's like did did that card pave the way for your mind to create the scenario where you started to love yourself and you became a star or was that energy already there. You know what I mean? It kind of supersedes it. So I'm making two decks and then I'm making an app with it where people can like keep their poles and keep track of them. But basically well yeah, that's genius. Because people just take pictures of them. Yeah. And they don't like track it. And so I want to have people can use it more as like a personal growth thing. Because what I love about

taro is that it can be for divination. So it can be for answering questions. It can be for supporting you on your journey but it really reads the energy of the time and taro is the study of archetypes too so you had the the woman with the crown which is probably the empress which represents star which represents these different aspects of of that energy and you related to that where you're like oh i can relate and understand that energetic of that card so it helps people just understand things in a different way and see things that they might not be missing and i love that i love tarot cards but they're always so whack like there's so much colors and like just designs and like they're just like these weird drawings so i want it to be super modern it's like super clean super modern

just like are there any modern ones out there i don't probably everyone's probably like yeah there's fucking modern ones but there probably are what i see but i want it to be like super earthy and aesthetic so um and you girls know aesthetic so it'll be actionable it'll be beautiful but i'm excited i've wanted to create like a physical product i wanted to create something that people could use every day that helps people have those memories for their life. Like, Tara is powerful because of things like that where you're like, I feel so low, I feel so lost. In that situation, you got hope for something

that really was impactful for the rest of your life. So that's why I just, I love that. How did you get into it? What was your experience with Tara? So I read this weird book. It's called Law of One. It's a very, like, weird esoteric book. And you guys are like Giggly Squad if we could read.

Yes, exactly. Literally. If we didn't just repeat what we saw into. pictures in this book. Sorry, continue. And in it, it had, it had taro as like one of the ways in which we can support ourselves in our evolution. So it says either to learn taro, learn astrology, or learn Kabbalah.

And so as you can take on astrology, Kabbalah or taro, I was like, I'm going to take on taro as my study to help me in my evolution process. So that's just how I started to love it. And I've loved taro for years. I feel like it's really helpful, been helpful for me in my journey. and I wanted to just give people something actionable and helpful for their every day that's going to support them

and finding more magic in their life. So can anyone like just start doing it or it's recommended to kind of like understand what you're doing and not just like pick random cards? You have to like do a seance and then like all of the your blood. No anyone can do it. So in the book list.

Oh actually believed you. I was like, okay, how do we do a say? Yeah, you're like perfect. Signed me up for the science. Actually my wedding, I'll show you later. It was very like human sacrifice vibes on the water. Why? I'll show you.

That was just the vibe I wanted. You're like Touloum? We market, human sacrifice. It turned into all sides of me. It was a full seance on the beach. We had like a carpet and then just like two kind of like. Oh, I saw that picture. That was beautiful.

Did you have like a pentagram? I didn't get human sacrifice. No, you didn't. No, no. You're like we had a flaming pentagram in the middle and like a goat's blood. Yeah, you're like a goat head. You're like I want to make it in the industry. What do I have to do?

Pentagram. I just want likes. I just want likes. Do you remember like your first readings or your guys? Oh my God. Yeah. My, one of my readings I had with this woman in Chicago. So I was like just waking up to spirituality and there was this woman named Janet.

And she was this psychic who would drink red bulls and eat chocolate bars. And she was like 40 pounds. And she was just like red my whole fucking life. We would like fight. I would be like, no, I don't want to do that. She predicted my entire life through Lake Tarot. And like it was, I brought all my friends to her. And so I was like, wow.

She was like there. No, she disappeared. That's what good. psychics do. So she was there for a while and then I went back to her shop and she completely disappeared. They just like kind of like rolling stone. But yeah, it's been really. Are you psychic at all? Yeah, kind of.

I'm like working on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably sick. Everyone's psychic. Yeah. You just like it's like the practice. My friend, I was talking to someone who's a psychic and she told me that I was a little psychic. I mean, Scorpio's yes. Yeah. So I literally they told me my husband is but he, even though he's

anti. Anyway. So then I get in the cab. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, the cab, and immediately I'm just looking at the cab driver. I'm like, what is he thinking? You're like, I'm practicing now. I was like, nope, can't do it. There's like a, I don't know if it's psychic, but it's like an ability to be in tune with an audience as a comedian.

Yes. Where like, you're like very much riding the wave of like whatever's happening in the room. You're sort of predicting what people want to hear, how they're going to be like, if people call it psychic or not, it's like there is just this entunement that you have, that you really have to be in that moment to like what is going on. That's why I think I'm tired after, because you don't just, it's not just giving a monologue. Yeah. Like, whenever I experience people, like, I have to be so in tune with them.

And, like, and then I trust that I follow. Like, even in the room, like, it is, like, this, um, almost musical of you, like, like, training them of when to laugh, how to laugh. And then you, you changing around when their energy's weird to match their energy, calling them out on their energy. Um, but I love it. It's crazy. It's crazy.

It's such crazy presence. It's like. While Jim Carrey said that comedy is like surfing, he's like, you have to like be able to take a risk because you're going to say the thing that might be either really offensive or like incredibly funny. Yeah. It's like you have to be like right way. But at the end of the, you're still like expressing yourself, which is why I feel safe up there.

Like it's not like, you don't lose. Yeah. Like even sometimes like the worst joke then turns into the funniest moment to be like, oh no. Like that's what you guys got tied on and then you, because that is human. Yes. It's about being human. Yes. 100%.

I remember I was reading. something at we had this event and it was like I was reading something it was like so serious and I had written this thing that was like fly on eagle's wings or something and I was like oh I don't know why I fucking wrote that and it was like the funniest part of the whole thing it was like what are we talking about you know it was like a reminder that like this isn't that serious and I was just like kind of going on my spiritual shit and everyone said yeah what are you doing I'm newly into self love of like curating aesthetics because I never cared about it I never cared what I wore.

I never cared but when my room looked like. I'm obsessed with it. It was kind of like a self, hey, like I don't deserve it yet. Like I need to earn it. Why would I spend money on myself? And I very recently just like had a flip. And I was like, I want to dress cool. I want to read in my apartment.

And now my social media is all like home decor and like 90s styles. I love. And part of me does have a little guilt. Like, why do you want need this stuff? for you like kind of i think it's my old school like you just have to be an athlete and win and train where this is just me being like i like blue couches yeah yeah you want to see my place everyone's like no you're like whatever but yeah it's like social media's been more healthy for me where i use it as creative inspiration yes and that's i follow like architect i know yes i literally

follow home decor cat there's a cat cat cat account and all cats all cats i watch before bed there's cat lumini is my favorite cat cat cat one and he got he's a guy that lives he has like nice swag and he walks around in Philly and he just finds cats and pets them and I just watch him like find and pet cats on the street I need to follow that meaning I have like full friendship He's like oh here comes big flopper

Or like here comes like any names the cats And they just come in like it's my cat Lumosity Cat Luminati Cat Luminati Give him a shot out and there's another one Abdul's cats Oh I think I like that one

I love Abdul Abdul he like gets these fosters He lives I think he isn't somewhere East Coast too but I literally saw his account at like 40k and was like you need to start charging that like I've worked with him on his like brand deals he now has like 250k shut the fuck up yeah also have you um

there's like these farm accounts on TikTok oh my god there's one with like the girl in the emu in Canada yeah yeah yeah I like DM'd her like we're friends now I'm what's the email oh the one um it's like she has the emu she has the farm and she's like hey she is so fucking good wait

we have to give her credit Calvin or something it's like and he just continues to like that's why the internet is so like amazing yeah useless farm it's called useless farm oh my god the emu is amazing he just like attacks everything oh my god okay i totally what's the emu's name it's like calvin or like four i don't even know um but you can like see a farm account i have to be careful with those because i'm so sensitive that i'll scroll and i'll be like oh my god yay and then someone will be like holding their cat to make them dance and i'm like they don't want to

do that oh no no whenever i see a Cat's slightly uncomfortable. I freak out. But I can't look at the farm ones because it makes me want to quit everything and open a I know. I've literally been saying this. I'm like, I want a farmer.

Everyone wants a rich farm. They want to be a rich farm. There's a farming and then there's being a rich farmer where you're doing a bike. Yes, exactly. My cats need to have a mansion for themselves. Yes. I'll take the little house.

You get the big house. Okay. We're going to wrap it up with a final game because I could pick your brains forever. I love those. I'll see you. Seven Deadly Sins What are you greedy about? I would say I'm greedy about like travel, like luxury travel.

I don't fuck around with my hotel days. That is some grown-up shit too. That is some 30-year-old shit. I saw you wrote something about solo trips and stuff. I'm like, these women are grown. I don't fucking fuck around with cheap hotels. I don't fuck around with Airbnb's. I don't fuck around with anything that's not nice.

Because I will like forego the really nice meals or the activities to stay at a nice place. Yeah. So I'm greedy about it. And you have certain ways of like researching to know for sure. Yes. Do you look at TripAdvisor and stuff? Mr. Mrs. Smith. There's a travel aggregator called Mr.

Mrs. Smith.com and they have really good people that vet places. That's amazing. It's a good. Because I'll look at TripAdvisor and I'm like, every single hotel. It's five stars. It's five stars. And then there's like a couple just horrible ones where I'm like, well, that's true. we're done.

And now every hotel is like $700 a night. So I'm like I need to be staying at a place that I love. Like it needs to be. I had a nightmare experience, Puerto Rico. We got like an expensive hotel. We got there. It was dark. Say names.

Our room was like, it was just horrible to the point that like my husband was like this. There was like no one working. It was a little COVID-y, but still like it was bad. And we just kind of panicked. And then I ended up staying at like a very cheap hotel in like San Juan. but like that was a shitty experience too and then I was just like I need to get better at this I wasn't grown it wasn't grown it ruins your trip yeah

but it's also adult to move and be like we're going to a different place it was like I wouldn't have he was like we're not staying here I love that yeah good love that like there was an outdoor area that take up all the space that like was bad yeah dude you're like no no no safety I'm greedy with I mean I love good food and like I feel like sometimes like Sean will be like okay like let's take this and we can bring it back to the doorman. I'm like, no, this is for us to continue eating tomorrow and the next day. And like, I'm very, I'm a foodie. I love that. I love it so much. And that is also like a sensory thing for your body, too. To be like, we're going in different.

And New York is the best. Yes. Who were you envious of? And it also could be a type of person. It doesn't have to be a specific person or animal. Yes. Oh, my God. on Instagram. I can't lie. I'm just envious of people that are just satisfied with their life. Like even sometimes when I'll go home to Ohio, like people are just like, yeah, I just, you know,

went to work and I came home and I watched Bachelor and I just ate my dinner. I'm like, I'm jealous of that ability and it's not even like a judgment of just being like, yeah, this is my life. I just, you know, we just do that. The contentness. Yeah, the contentness. I do have to say, we are, we forget

because we're in New York and L.A. My friend got married in Michigan. and I was looking at these girls they don't have followers they're not in the content game and no one's checking their phone they're all just excited for my friend getting married I'm looking at them

and I'm like they look so happy they're not we were like getting her makeup done and normally my friends would be like okay this celebrity micrifice did this can you do this girl's like yeah do whatever you want to my face and I'm like this girl is that a like I'm like make it Matt I can handle a big eye make a winged brow like

I can't do like and I'm just like fully I'm like only on this side are we going to be? I literally showed them something and I asked no one else was and I go, I miss when I was innocent like that word. Yeah, literally. I don't even know what I would like. I'm like, yeah, that's simple. And then probably cat Luminati.

Just like that was like my dream to like walk around and just pet cats and like people are like, this is amazing. People are like would you do reality TV again? And I'm like, yes, I want to do like a rescue cat. I'm 100% right it. I've never even rescued cats. Pitch it. Or something with like.

The animal shelter I volunteered with. Like, I just want to do something with animals. Yeah, something with animals. They're like, what do you qualified? And I'm like, I love them. I can't. When they're, anything's hard,

I'm like, I want to do, like, an adoption of, like, seeing them in South Hampton, animal shelter and then seeing them end up in, like, beautiful homes in the Hampton. Yes. That's amazing. Oh, I love.

I think it would be fun. Upgrade. Envious of, I think, like, to the point of, like, people being off social media, sometimes I'm envious of, of just not caring. Off the grid.

I see a couple of people that I follow LOL, Instagram, but like that have their job is like working on their flower farm and just like very you know to your point earlier of being like should I like live on a farm and just kind of simple I do think it gives you something look forward to like I fully I'm looking forward to that I feel like everyone in our industry that does what we do always says that like it's like our new personality trait where we're like I can't wait to be on a farm and we just continue to but I like the bar like to disappear yeah people listening are probably like um just fucking delete Instagram they're like just do it because we're telling them to leave their corporate jobs and they're like, oh, you guys don't want posts and social media and then, yes, literally. It's like you like get the dream and then you're like, yeah, but just like a rich farm life is like all that I want. Meanwhile, it would be like your corporate job the first day.

I'd be like, I can't do that. Yes, literally. I was like, no. What do you guys gluttonous about? So what do you overindulge in? Oh my God. What's your guilty pleasure? YouTube. Weird like YouTube's like YouTube drama.

Oh, like the YouTuber's fighting? Yes, like YouTube or drama like. Jake Paul KSI like that like that weird like world that has nothing to do with anything in my life that I'll just kind of like do you see them in LA watch no no I've no I've never like seen any of them or like any of the young TikTokers yeah like I've seen the TikTokers Bryce Hall seen them like Josh I've seen all of them and I like know everything about like all of their drama I'm like I literally the other day was like I'm 30 something and I know about like 19 year olds but like you're that means like you're in with

the cool kids you know what's going on you know the tea it's like it's like a weird like it's like everyone's kind of watching them i'm like and it just is so outside of my world yes like i don't want to be consuming any content that's like mine yes it feels like work it's like why people like reality tv yes exactly also i thought about how we're the first generation that we are on the same app as the like younger generation because if you think about it like it's almost like facebook we were on it and then when our parents got on it we we left to Instagram and then like we see what the 17 18 19 20 year old kids think is cool and it's weird but it's also kind of like fun yes that's why I think millennials are like thinking

that they're like I know like staying in it and then like peanut butter I really love I love like nut butters oh yeah I love um gluttoness I love weird ass documentaries I do like have you watched the John McAfee one? Oh, I can't wait. No, I'm, girl, I am amazing. It's weird how he died. He did. Oh, wait, I, I got murdered.

I haven't seen the last 20 minutes of it. Oh, sorry. But it's okay. You know he got. Yeah. I just, um, I watch the most disturbing documentaries and I love it because I think I can't watch reality TV anymore. Yeah.

So it's like, but I like realistic shit. Yes. So I love. I watched the Victoria's Secret one too recently. I think I'm in the second episode, so I don't know if they've talked about. how they funded them to make their clothes in jails but they never spoke about it no way not why would they why would they talk about that was like the biggest scandal they made their clothes in jail yes Lex Wexner got in trouble because he was having the clothes produced

by jail inmates for free he's also like a very low cost that's how like his like that's how his margins were so high because people in jail were making his gross it's basically just documenters being like rich people are crazy and then everyone's like you know everyone just like it's so weird how people like the oxycodone documentary like people just watch these things but then they don't correlate it to like real life it's so it's actually or the bigger picture maddening even like the brittany moment where everyone was so mad like that's they'll write an article about like how the media treat brittany and right below it's like chrissey teagan's a cunt yes yes 100% i mean that era was fucking wild how they would take photos up their skirt and shit and like women being sexualized

There's a really good documentary about Girls Gone Wild. I think it's like HBO Max or something because we always knew about it or like spring bake but then you look into it and you're like it was really bad. Wow. Like girls were drunk and they were getting them

to sign stuff and like ruining lives and stuff bad. And Playboy. Putting their faces on like the covers of things their side. What's your favorite documentary? I mean you can't even ask me that. I do on my Instagram I have like a list of a bunch.

Oh really? I have the update though because I watch so many. No, like, I'm a crazy person. I love that. Oh, I would love that. Yeah. Yeah. What was the last time you guys experienced extreme wrath or anger?

Recently, probably. I love, like. Which one of you is the quicker temper? What do you mean? Sometimes it's like such a study for me. I'll just like watch her. I'm like, what? I'm like, you're just okay with them doing.

I was saying that today. Like, I was like, something will happen. I'm like, you're just letting them do that. Like, you're letting them be who they are and you're going to be who you are. Like, what do you mean? You're not. going to, like, shame or blame them? You guys are, like, a good balance.

It's so important for our team, especially. It's not like... But I'll freak out about, like, weird-ass shit, and you're like, yeah, dude, it's actually cool. It's, like, really, like, I love when that happened. Because I'm like... Because it's, like, cute. Yeah, yeah.

Well, this is cute. I keep comparing you to me and Paige. But, like, Paige, I will care about, like, important things. Paige doesn't give a shit. And then, like, someone, she'll think someone copied her outfit. And I'll be, like, stop. I'm like, stop. I'm like, we'll be like, we'll be.

We'll get to the venue to do a live show And like the cord is not going to the computer for the PowerPoint And I am losing my fucking mind And she's sitting there like well I got hair makeup done So like I set that up for us So I don't know But like it's perfect because I don't need another person Freaking out

Freaking out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We pick her lanes Actually I got the other, it was yesterday I was in the city and I was had my phone And I was waiting for my lift on the corner And this girl goes put your head up Stop looking at your phone And I was like, shut the fuck I'm like literally was just like mind your own fucking business like and I'm like wow

spiritual leader like spiritual leader and teacher but I just was like shut the fuck up and then you could cry to you if you want and no one gives a fuck no one cares shut the fuck up yeah don't talk to no I mean just in general you could cry 100% that usually comes later if I'm truly if they're usually it's tears first and then I'll realize that I'm anger but that was just kind of like I don't talk about people talk shit to me or sometimes in New York if something happens to a group of people you just sit back and know someone else is going to yell so you don't have to like someone else is having a worst day than me and I'll let them get this for them. Yes or like if you're with a group of girls I'm never the girl that like gets us in I'm always the one in the back

yeah yeah yeah yeah doesn't talk I'm like hey can you like ask them I know I'll look cute you have that one friend who like weirdly is connected yes well it was last time you guys were like a sloth like lazy like didn't do anything all day to the day after the wedding so nice it's a weird feeling though i have to say like you both pretty type a yeah i i've gotten much better at chilling for sure because i i i know how i feel when i do allow myself to rest i'm like oh the art of killing is like a skill in itself i like i get ideas like things come in if i'm go go go and trying to fill my schedule there's no fucking way so um day after the wedding was like very imperative that we we chilled hard yeah it's interesting you said that because you stand up is all about like performing

performing performing but you also have to write but i find when i'm non-stop performing i'm not writing and then i'm like oh i have to actually say no to gig so i can like live a little and think and sit down and let things come to you get content yeah i remember i'm so i do not chill and i remember me and my my husband says i'm cool but not chill he's like you're cool and you're interesting but you're not chill and um one time we were in mexico city and i got food poisoning i think it was his favorite vacation because we literally didn't leave bed we watched Nathan for you like the entire time and I think he was like so like it was his favorite trip we've ever got on loved it we were just in bed he was like how are you doing and he was like we're just

like so he's like my chill inspiration he's the most chill that's really good to balance he just chills and so sometimes I think I'm getting better though as I get older and as I just don't want to be doing as much yeah are you guys mourning people yeah I'm the biggest morning person I'm so know do you have any advice for me to ever become a morning person I think you should embrace who you are. Embrace who you are. Go to bed early. There's science around them.

You're doing it. I know my job is a little hard, but I actually like, I don't start the day excited. I think you should embrace who you are. Yeah. And what do you do when you first wake up? Do you look at your phone? Yeah.

There you go, baby. Walk it up, baby. So your brain is going low because it wants that dopamine. So you're like, wake me. They also say whatever your first dopamine hit is what you create the rest of the day. Yeah. If it is your phone the whole day, you're going to be like, um,

you're like make me happy what do you guys you guys like drink lemon water and shit no no lemon water no i'll like just have my i'll like make my own coffee i'll be slow no phone no phone go on a walk i don't feel good i like to move a little like i'll go on a walk i'll just get outside or i'll go on the roof or something and just kind of like chill what time are you talking my cats wake me up no i'm not that early um sometimes i go back to bed yeah they let me do your cats wake you up but there's literally been trained i won't even feed her till new sometimes and she wanted to get mad but then with does she wakes him up she wakes him up for like seven to feed but with me she's like we're sleeping it oh my god I'm no way I've trained her

that's good because it is like because I don't wake up I don't wake up I am like yeah and then I'll go back to bed for an hour and then I'll read or journal or walk or just kind of stay because it's like I don't love what is going on on my phone all the time so yeah you wake up and immediately like oh today's gonna suck and I would do that like I would read an email that would stress me out or be annoying. You immediately feel like you have to respond to people. Exactly. Exactly.

You just get annoyed really fast. When was the last time you guys lusted over someone besides your hubbies? Do you have any celebrity crushes? Mm-hmm. Oh my God. You know who mine was the other night in my dream? So random. Aaron Rogers.

Oh, I do love a lot of Aaron Rogers. It was so weird. The long hair or the short hair? The long hair on show Rogan. Yeah, I just loved the vibe, the digaff. but I was like, wow, I'm kind of like lusting over his like his vibe, like his tall energy. I just was like, oh, he's like, and then I saw he's worth like $500 million. It's like, oh, wow, I'm lusting over.

Makes sense. Yeah. It was like, wow, I'm into this. Because then you literally would be with someone, he's retired. He could just chill forever. Chill. Probably too much time together. But still, 500 mil tall and successful.

I mean, yummy. Yeah. I'm trying to think LOL I'm newly married baby Can I enjoy it for a second? I mean when I was like younger AJ McLean for the backstreet boys

It was like my ultimate Oh the tall one I liked no the bad boy With all the tattie With the tattie Who was yours? Because Kevin's the tall one Kevin's the tall one

I was more in sync girl Same babe I was and I was I get it I get talented For sure But I do have to say even like everyone loved Justin like obviously we love Justin you I was like Jacey I was

I was like Jacy's way more talented 100% she's hot yeah he's like light oh I was into that okay at least you weren't you know I love into Lance I was like every time we love Lance is an icon but I mean yeah he was actually too pretty like I don't like yeah so sweet I was like his cheek bones are nice in the mind so absolutely not yes to wrap this up and this is actually kind of a loaded question for you guys in particular but I like to end every pod asking you what's it like to burn in hell how is the devil when you're in your darkest place when you are in your hell how do you cope with it i think being older i was recent like think a few months ago i was really dark i was so dark i was because i did a months of microdosing and then i realized that it was like not serving me

anymore. I was like very dark. And I was like, remember sitting out the window and I was like, oh, I could end this now, like just that kind of dark. And it's being older, you realize that there's just ebbs and flows. Like I felt like that before in my life. And you're just like, oh, I know that this is a dark time, but there will be better days. It's so cliche. But having that like track record of being better. And then also I just like to check in on basics. Like, am I hydrating myself? You know what I mean? Like, it's literally so stupid. But it's true. I'm the worst.

Am I drinking water? Like, am I waking up and looking at my phone? What's my screen time? Like, am I speaking my truth or telling people how I feel? Am I actually doing things that I love? Like, am I going outside? Am I going in nature? Am I spending time with people I love?

Have I told anyone how I'm feeling? And when you say this, it doesn't sound selfish. It sounds like human. Human. Yeah. It's actually, sometimes we just like, I used to think that when I had that depression or had, you know, anxiety or whatever it was, that it was me. like who I am which it is a part of me but it's not just that like there's a lot of factors that go

into that that I can support myself with whether it's food or activities that I do or relationships that I have so I just really like to just check on very simple things how am I spending my time how am I feeding myself how am I moving my body am I hydrating and am I connecting to something bigger than me I also love that you said track record yeah so I think that's what's so powerful about being in your 30s because in your 20s you haven't had certain things happened to you where now when I hear someone like going through a really hard time I just think wow they're going to be okay when they're out of it yes and like I'm at a point where I've gone through like the harder things you go through and survive literally it's easier to tackle the harder

things because you're like look at my track record yeah and it's like a redirection like I'm four for four yes and it's a redirection of like something something needs to change yeah something needs to shift something is talking to something needs to change about how you're living and it's a Redirection that could be to something so much better, whether it's a job that's bothering you, a relationship, a friendship, your relationship to yourself. It's like, okay, something needs to change. And so then you can have that inspiration to change or else we wouldn't ever evolve because we don't change or evolve when we're happy. We just are like, it's like life is good. We're like, yay, life is good. Never change. I want everything to stay the same. Yes, which is not how energies work.

Exactly. The molecules are not just chilling. Nope. It's not how life works. You know, so you have to wait. It's sad, but we have to wait till something gets hard before we change. But I do think the universe will fuck shit up based on if the energies are wrong. 100% it'll implode. If you don't listen to that your intuition. That's what I do. I wait for things to implode. And then I'm like,

here you. Here you. I feel like I have no choice. Okay. And that's usually like if I found myself in a low point, it's usually because something's misaligned and has been misaligned for a while, whether internally or just in life. And so it's usually a good time.

to not like necessarily do something in the moment, but it's really like finding that softness and that stillness and that quiet to like really listen, like what is actually coming up here. And also just like tending to yourself. Like, you know, if you feel like laying on the couch and like watching, you know, your shitty shows that really just kind of come for you and like having those moments so that like, you know, I think what.

I've felt in the past where I'm like no no no no I can't be in this state I have too much to do I can't like how and I would be scared that I would be in that state for too long where I wouldn't be able to get out of it but it's like it passes and it passes quicker if you allow it to be so if you're feeling like you're in that low point you know how much are you resisting it and how much are you allowing it and at the same time obviously supporting yourself in healthy ways that's some powerful shit yeah bitch you guys are fucking I love how we started with star seed literally I was like oh shit we're gonna lose them quick I think we're gonna get back around I think you'll wake them up they're gonna get lost or or everyone's

me like holy fuck I'm an alien yeah yes you're all aliens I'm gonna call them now aliens I'm a yes I'm a little alien where can people give me the goods where can they follow you watch you listen to you yes tell me everything almost 30 wherever you listen to pods and we just dropped a new podcast called Morning Microdose. Yes. Which I'm so excited about. So it's basically like the greatest hits of almost 30. So it's like five to seven minutes every day for people to tune into like inspiring or funny parts of the podcast. And then almost 30.com, almost 30 podcast on TikTok and Instagram. And then I'm on Instagram at it's Krista. And I'm at Lindsay Simpsick. Yes. We love you. We love it. And I was on your pod.

Yeah. I think it was right after my engagement. It was right after the engagement. So that's fun to listen to Everyone listened to So good And I love you guys Talk to you later Bye Bye