Berner Phone - Amy Ordman: YouTube Stardom & Cat Conversion Therapy

Episode Date: October 22, 2019

Amy Ordman is an Australian who moved to LA determined to become a youtube star. She also was determined to not ever come out as a lesbian, even though she pretty much knew since she was 13. Long story short, she became a YouTube star and came out of the closet. She talks about her experience at lesbian bars in NYC, how she only has a plan A, how she got scammed on craigslist, how we both have cats named Butter, why she went vegan, how she is friends with Rebecca Black, why she loves reality tv, the last time she was really depressed, awkward interactions, having OCD, being attracted to older women, and the meaning of her slingshot tattoo. BONUS EPISODES ON MY NEW PATREON! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm your host Hannah Burner, and we're in hell today with an Australian Los Angeles. I don't know how that word. I'm an alien. She's just an alien. alien. She's a YouTuber with over half a million subscribers on a lot of things. And the podcast host of a new podcast, you have to check it out, dating straight, Amy Ordman. Hi. Thank you for coming. Thank you so much for having me. So I have so many questions about you. I love Australians. Sure. I think they're by far the hottest accent. Okay. Great. I've done British and I feel like

British is like a villain and a James Bond movie. Oh, absolutely. But you guys are fun. I mean, everyone keeps telling me that I'm losing my accent. You are. I didn't want to be. Oh, my God, that is so cruel. My mom listened to the first episode of Dating Straight, and she called me, and she was like, Amy, you sound American. She's like, where did my phone Australian Amy go?

I know, and I'm trying so hard to hold onto it, but it's just. Is there not like an Australian community you're bonded with in L.A.? I don't want to. I moved to L.A. to have American friends. I didn't move there. Really? Why would you do that? Well, I like being different. I like being unique, like attention, as we all do. Yeah, 100%.

And so, like, I don't want to hang out with Australians. I feel like then it takes away. Then people aren't like, oh my God, your accents. Like, everyone has that accent. Do you know what I mean? Well, so Amy identifies as lesbian. Yes. Do you get more girls in America than in Australia? I mean, when I was... Because of your fancy accent? Well, when I was living in Australia, I was like a different bitch. And I also, like,

never really dated women in Australia at all. Did you date guys? Like, not really, not really, but like a little, whatever. Like a little makeout. Yeah, it was nothing. Yeah, I was like, what this means nothing? You're like, keep your boner away for me. Oh my God, please keep it away for me.

The first time I witnessed a boner. Yeah. I felt like embarrassed for him. I was like, oh my God, he has a bono. It's so embarrassing. And I was like, probably a little too old to be embarrassed by boners. I was like 18, no, I was like 17. But, yeah, boners are strange.

Yeah, I mean, I haven't, I haven't interacted with a bono in like seven plus years. So I've, this conversation I can't even. Wait, so you're like, can we just stop talking about boners, please? Whatever, you tell me anything but boners. I just don't really have anything to add to the conversation about bonus. Wait, when did you come out? I was 19. Good for you.

That's like, very self-aware. Well, I had no real intentions of coming out at all, like, ever. Oh, so you knew, but you were like, I'm just not going to do it. Yeah, I was 13, and I would watch Ellen after school every single day, and I was like, this is great. Ellen's the queen, right? Yeah. And I would, like, look at myself in the mirror and be like, you're gay.

It's, like, so ridiculous now, but, like, when I was 13, I was like, okay, yeah. But I just had the intention of, like, keeping it to myself, just like, I don't know, marrying a dude and going on with my. life where you're um in australia is that stuff like okay yeah i mean my family is like so amazing all my friends is so amazing i just like didn't even consider it as an option at all which is so stupid well i think because you're young and you're like wait i'm not supposed to be one of those others like society makes it like another and you're like i'm me yeah yeah yeah yeah totally i just get annoyed with it all because it's like, who cares who you have sex with?

It's like, imagine if straight people had to say what they were into in the bedroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where, like, you, like, you living out is, like, you having to be like, hey, I prefer vagina. Totally. Where, like, some straight people might be like, hey, I prefer to get pegged or, like, hey, I'm sure. And, like, that's totally great. But, like, they don't have to.

Yeah. And you have to. I mean, in some situations, they might have to. In some situations, you're right. With time, I'm, like, having to come out way less. and it's great. Oh, like, as in, you just, people know. Yeah.

Yes. That's amazing. And, like, if I'm walking, like, I don't know. It's, I feel also like I, you can, like, I can walk down the street and it's like, oh, that's, that's gay. Oh. I have the amazing gay d'ar with guys, but terrible gai-dard with women. Do you have good gai-dard with women?

Yeah, well, also in Los Angeles, everyone's gay. Truly. It's, oh, like, queer. Are there good lesbian bars? Um, no, there are no lesbian bars, which is so interesting. My friend Alexis and I are actually here to, because we wanted to start a series about going to all the lesbian bars, because there's nothing in, like, West Hollywood, which is so insane. Interesting, right? Well, my friend Taylor Strecker, who realized later in life she was gay, has this whole thing that she's like, lesbians need better PR.

Like, the gays are just dominating. Like, they're everywhere. The lesbian PR has been slacking, and they need more attention. They need more bars, but also I think that there's so many girls you just see walking around that you just don't process as gay because you're like, oh, two friends walking. We're like guys you can tell. I guess we have this with this new game now. I honestly don't know if it's like offensive or not.

But hey, that's a great way to start a sentence. Now I'm intrigued. So you know, like punch buggy? So you see like a buggy and you punch your friend. You punch gay couples when you see them? No, no, if I see like a gay couple, I'll punch my friend. Oh, I like that. It's cute.

But it's okay. Only I can do it. New York City is known for like the one lesbian club is, or not club, cubbyhole. I went there the other night. Oh my God, tell me, tell me what happened. Well, we went there because we're filming this series. So we went and we were filming. Is this for dating straight?

No, this is for my YouTube channel. For YouTube channel. Yes. And my friend Alexis Gizal, we do like vlog swaps. So we're doing that this time with gay bars in New York. That's so fun. Yeah, it is fun. We went to Cubby Hole and then we went to Henriettys and then we went home because we were like, I'm tired.

I'm over this. What was your impression of Cubby Hole? Was it what you thought it would be? The thing is, I've been to Cubby Hole apparently twice. I only remember the one time. I went when I was 19. I had like just, just came out. and I came to New York to visit my friend, Michael.

And we went to Cubby Hole. And it was like the best thing I've ever experienced my whole life. I had so much fun. I was like, oh my gosh, my people, whatever, whatever. But now as like an almost 26-year-old coming back to Cubbyhole, I'm like, yeah, okay, a bunch of lesbians. Like all of my friends are a bunch of lesbians. So would you prefer to be?

It's weird that like most bars, I guess, are like straight bars, which is so weird that's like my privilege to be like I don't have to be like is this a straight bar because I'm going to go to a straight bar but isn't it fun to go to a bar that like you can potentially fuck anyone in the bar and they want to fuck you well I never go to straight bars ever so do you go to gay guy bars sure yeah I'll go to like flaming saddles yes in have you been there yeah um yeah so I love we last summer everyone I knew was on like the craziest benda so we went to flaming saddles every night of the week And we were like, let's go home tonight. I think whether you're a straight girl, a straight guy, a lesbian or a gay guy, a gay male bar is going to be fun.

Totally. I want to twist back to your YouTube channel because you are the first, like, YouTuber I've ever had. Thanks. I mean, I haven't been doing this podcast for that long, but it's kind of exciting. I'm like 40-ish episodes in. That's long. I know it's long. Actually, it's long.

Yeah, that's a long time. I was kind of lying to you. but like when did you start the youtube um i actually started making youtube videos when i was in university in sydney um i found jena marbles and i thought that she i know i love her she's the ogee she's the ogy and i still watch and i still love her um but i found her on youtube and i thought that she was the only like person doing this and then from her i found like grace daily grace and Hannah Hart, I don't know, whatever. And I was like, oh my God, there's like a whole community of people making YouTube videos like on purpose instead of like random cat videos. So I was like,

okay, I can do it. So I started. What were you studying? I was studying media arts and production. Cool. And I was like interning at like MTV and Channel 7 and Nickelodeon and all these random things. And I was like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what I'm wanted to. Also because in Australia like on the first day of university they were like the media in Australia is dying like get out I was like good to know I least they're being honest with you totally but like oh my god I've signed up for a whole year why didn't you tell me before really it's like I just burn my money totally I feel like a lot of people if they don't if they don't know what they're going to do or they feel like people aren't giving them opportunities which people love to like throw out they're like

I'm not getting the opportunities. Just do some shit on the side of yourself is like my first piece of advice for anyone. Yeah. So you, did you know like what angle you wanted to start it? Um, not really. I was kind of just like emulating channels that I liked, which I obviously like didn't have my own voice then yet. Or, um, I mean, I also wasn't out and I didn't know.

Yeah, you didn't know what you were. Totally. So it took like, I did that for maybe like a year and a half. And then I came. to LA and I went to VidCon as like a fan and it was so exciting and then I decided that I wanted to move here to I mean sorry to LA yeah to New York right now we're in America we're in America I wanted to move to America and so I did and I moved there when I was 21 and I had 4,000 subscribers and I was like I want to be a YouTuber what did your parents say they were like good luck bitch have fun um did you

graduate from school? Okay, so you had? Well, they said, I'm not allowed to move until I graduate with a degree. Honestly, I think getting a degree is good. Totally. It's, you guys, get your education. YouTube on the side. I was doing that. I was doing YouTube and I had three jobs because I wanted to move countries and that shit's expensive. So I was working like crazy. And then the second I finished, I moved. I finished in November and then I moved that February. and it was how many years ago was this uh this was like five years ago oh my gosh yeah it was really hard why did you think that you could do it i am i'm a type of person that i only have a plan a i don't have a plan b i was like okay i will be a waitress forever if i need to so you that set a fire under your

ass and you're like this is what i need to do yes what's your sign i'm a scorpio oh yes i'm scorpio rising so we connect. I'm a triple Scorpio. So I'm a Scorpio, sun, moon, and rising. I'm scared. And like a few planets even are all Scorpio. So I'm like extremely passionate. Yes, it's good. And you're like, you're like strategic. Sure. And like a little evil probably. Yeah. A little dark and evil. We're just doing random adjective. Yeah. So I moved here, I mean, to LA, sorry. And I worked in a sandwich shop called Menacino Farms for like a year. and then you're you good at making sandwiches well I was the host oh so you practice that you know

first impression totally yeah yeah well they just like that I had an accent they like throw her out front and I was like let's do it um which actually helped so much because I was very shy and I yeah I wasn't like good at talking to people at all uh so that was fun and then YouTube just kind of took off did you um where did you move in L.A like where were you staying um um I moved to Studio City and I had, oh my gosh, I got scammed via some bitch on Craigslist. I was like scrunting a room in her apartment and she apparently does this to foreign people. She'll like freak them out and kick them out and then like threatened to sue and then I sued her because she stole my money and it was the whole thing. That's your first move to LA?

Yes, that was the first place that I moved to LA. And you didn't take that as like the universe being like. like hey go back home i can't believe that i didn't now i totally would have but i'm so happy that i didn't uh yeah no shit yeah so then you found a different place yeah then i was on the run and they scammed you again no no but it was really months of like she was like i found where you live in hollywood and blah so then i had to move again then i moved in with this other person and then i don't know I moved so many times. How much were you tubing during that time?

I was like so pretty consistent. So once a week? Yeah, once a week. And then I bumped it up to three times a week. And then I was like, that's too much. And then I was doing twice a week for like, honestly a couple years. And then I fell off that. And now I do like once every week or two.

Good for you. Well, now you have your podcast. But tell me the trajectory. Like once you moved and you had 4,000. Did it get like hot at some point? Or was it around a slow growth for a while? To get from like 4,000 to like 18,000 subscribers was the hardest bit. Because people don't want to, it's like everyone's like sheep.

We want to subscribe to. I mean, I'm more likely to subscribe to a channel with a million subscribers than a thousand. So it's just like, it's like Yelp reviews. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like unless I feel like I found gold and I'm like the first one to find it. But that means you have to have like the most insane.

spectacular content during that time how do you think you got to 18,000 like what was your strategy um it was just a lot more collaboration and doing it with friends and stuff like that and then I actually had a series on my channel it was like I took a you know a tiny car like a baby car yeah and I would take that through drive-thrus and then that for some reason went viral look at yeah those like little unique ideas yeah so I went to like Taco Bell McDonald's Starbucks whatever and that's those are still like my most popular videos on my channel but I did five of those and then I was like I don't want to be tiny car girl I just your podcast could have been tiny car podcast exactly oh my god I should so do an episode like that everyone's like bring back tiny car blah blah blah and I'm like no all your followers

just follow you waiting for the next tiny car episode exactly I would get like 30000 subscribers in a week or whatever and I was like oh no because it's so shareable and unique yeah I was like oh no they're only watching that yeah exactly they were only watching that and I was like oh fuck you're talking about your feelings and like coming out and someone's like where's the car literally they're like we don't care about you shut up and get in the car but it's these little like cool creative ideas that can pop someone off it's almost like reality TV like I'm on a reality TV show but ultimately I don't want people to be like, Real-a-TV show, girl.

I love Bravo. Do you watch Summer House? Okay, no. I haven't seen Summer House. Rude. I'm so sorry. Oh, no, that's okay. It's like, it's one of the newer shows.

Trust me, I will binge watch Summer House. Oh, yeah, I can't wait. I, like, that is a promise. This is my thing. Okay, tell me, what are your favorite shows in Bravo? I have watched every real housewife show. What's your favorite real housewife? Um, like, you want to know the housewife?

I want to know, first the show, then the favorite housewife. I love Atlanta. It's so good. I have a huge crush on Candy. Hey Candy, if you listen, I love you. I love that. I need to get around. Can I come?

You need to come to BravoCon. Oh my God. I didn't know that this is. BravoCon is like this new thing in November. It's hosted by Andy Cohen. It's hosted by, it's like a two-day event in New York City where all the Bravo liberties are going to be. You definitely could like email someone.

and, like, do a thing for your YouTube. Okay, we need to plan this. Please, like, I'm begging you. I am a huge Bravo bitch. I'll try to hook it up. The tickets are sold out, however. Get me in. We can figure it out.

Get me in. We'll figure it out. Oh, my God. That'll be funny. You could drive around with your little tiny car. Okay, I'll do it. Hey, I will do it. For BravoCon, I will do it.

It's so exciting. The thing with, okay, so Summerhouse, we just aired our third season. It was my first season. Okay. But I feel like in the last, like, Vanderpump, They've been around for how many seasons, like? They're on their eighth. Eighths, yeah, thank you.

So I love Winterpump so much. But so eight years ago, TV was different. Like, we didn't have Hulu. We didn't have HBO. We didn't have show, we didn't have show, like, as in streaming services. So Summerhouse is, like, the only show created in the last four years that has survived during the, like, new era of TV. Okay.

So I recommend, starting with third season is fine, because that's where I am. if you you can start with the first season I'll start at the beginning start at the beginning the third season is very different than the first two because they kind of like recasted almost half the cast

but I love that like I love you'll see the momentum exactly and there's drama like the cast that got kicked out season two like hates the new people I love it and it's very the culture of like it's very East Coast

like New Yorkers in the summer I was going to say my favorite housewife is Bethany Franklin okay okay wait It's Summerhouse. Summerhouse. Oh my God. They had a crossover episode with Bannibal.

They tricked people. Holy shit. I have totally seen the fast episode of Summer House. I feel like everyone's summer. Now you have something to do when you're bored. Okay. And you're hanging out with your cats. Side note.

Yes. Let's discuss this for a second. I can't believe it. Amy and I both have a cat named Butter. It's crazy. Who did it first? Probably you. I think you did.

Because I just, she's a baby. I got her like in December. Oh, I. I think, honestly, I got my cat, like, around the same-ish time. Maybe we both just got signs from the universe. Why did you name your cat butter? Is it here or she? She.

Okay, mine says she too. Little lady. I love toast with butter. And she, whenever I'm eating toast with butter, she sticks her face, whole face in the butter and, like, eats it. Honestly, bread and butter is the most underrated food ever. It's delicious. And, I mean, you could, I've seen people put, people put, like, cinnamon on it,

or you could put jelly and butter. You can do whatever, you put anything on it. But bread and butter Keep it simple Nothing bad I'm Italians You put bread and butter with every meal My butter

My butter had like buttercotch colored eyes So I called her butter Oh sweet baby And I have a necklace of butter So people think I just love dairy Yeah Well hey I mean I eat vegan butter

Oh look at you That's fun Why did you go vegan? I went vegan like six years ago Because I watched a movie called Foodink And then I watched another movie the movie called Fox of a Knives. And then I watched the trailer for a movie called Earthling. And you're like, I just watched the trailer, but it hit hard. Literally just watched the trailer

and I sobbed. And then I was like, you know what? I don't need to do this to myself. I'm good. I love that. I love animals more than anything. Like at the end of the day, I think it's because I'm, I don't know. People can annoy the shit out of me. But those little animals that we just surround yourself with, even though we don't talk, it's weird, but we just love each other so much. That's like honestly great. Good. I don't need to know what my cats. I do.

Okay. People in L.A. have this thing where they bring, there's like cat psychics. Have you ever done that? I totally should. I feel though. You need to do it.

I feel like very in tune with my cats. Yeah, you're like I don't need to. I feel like I totally know what I think is. Oh, I have to read you something about cats. Okay. That I recent, that I think you would appreciate that blew my damn mind.

Yeah. You don't train them. They train you. Is that? Oh, I love that. They do. They have me very well-trained. What is, like, the funniest things that your cats do?

They're just ridiculous. I mean, butter is, like, she torments me day and night. She, like, knocks everything over, eats every, all of my food. It's just ridiculous. She loves human food. That's dangerous. They, I mean, her and my other cat, Max, they are all over the human food. So you have three.

Did they all get along? They do, yes. That's great. I know. Okay. This is, this is, this is, this is. is what I read on Instagram. Yeah.

Cats do not sleep in the way we think they do. The truth is cats are interdimensional beings and regularly visit places we cannot. Their eyes are capable of detecting wavelengths of light that we can't pick up, enabling them to see energy, spirits, and elements, and more. The same way dogs are guardians in the physical world, cats are protectors in the energy world. That's why cats were regarded as sacred and ancient Egypt. Yeah.

But like, where did, okay, so you got this from Instagram? Oh, this was just a random. Instagram, IG connecting consciousness. So it's legit. Okay. So it totally checks out. When I read it, I just was like, oh, my God. Butter was just meowing at the wall before.

It wasn't bad energy. She was protecting me from. Yeah. I did hear that cats like hallucinate, which totally makes sense because my cat, Wednesday. She's a little black cat. She'll just like be doing this. And I'm like, go, what are you seeing? I'm afraid.

I also, speaking of Wednesday, Is that to have something new with Rebecca Black? No. Oh, wait, that's Friday. God damn it. I switched it up. I know that you're friends with Rebecca Black. I am friends with Rebecca Black.

How, you guys kind of look similar, I feel like. Thank you. I know, she's hot. She's hot. How is she doing? She's awesome. I love that bitch. I think she's the coolest person, Eva.

She has the voice of an angel. It's like a very impressive success story. It's so cool. Yeah, she really turned that shit around. Yeah. How did you meet her? I actually had some mutual friends with her. She went on a tour with my old roommate.

And so we just kind of like connected through that and then realized how much we have in common. She's also like a Vanda Pump, like Bravo bitch. We just have so much in common and so I love that you're Bravo bitch and I had no idea. Dude. I can't even explain. I have watched. all of these shows like over so many times i stopped them from the beginning oh sorry because i also i live alone so i i wake up and i like just turn something on and i do my shit it's like the best like mind

massage after a long day and i like i like hit up tom tom i go to i find all of them they're everywhere have you met any bravileberties that you're like they're really cool well i've seen Lisa Vandapump and what is it Lisa and Ken Lisa and Ken I've seen them

like jolling around town because I hit up their restaurants and I've seen Like because I stock them Yeah because I know where they live

Is sir good The food? Uh uh Like I heard it's kind of A touristy place It is Have you ever seen them

Working there? Yes Oh my God I have I know which was a huge Because no one does Well this was this was years ago okay i saw katie walking were they filming no oh my god right right and they were

like into season three and i was like what the fuck is she doing here like collecting her tips that's amazing it was crazy i very unexpected as well so i saw her i saw the toms at tom tom tom i was driving literally two weeks ago and i was at a stop at a stoplight and i was taking a selfie and Who pulls up, of course. Ariana pulls up next to me. I love her. Love her. She's like, hopefully queer.

Love her. So I'm like super embarrassed and I'm taking the selfie. So I'm like pretending to like do something else. I'm on Google map suddenly. It's so embarrassing. She obviously doesn't give a fuck because she doesn't know who I am. But I'm like, I know who you are. Also, yeah, she definitely got eaten out by Lala.

Oh, yeah. That sounds fun. That is so exciting to them. And then Tom was in the car. Yeah, I'd tell you remember that. I went through like the worst breakup and I just couldn't deal with like my own life. So I would get, I'd work my ass off, get home and just turn Vanderpump on and get lost in their world. That's what I do.

That is what I do. Because this is how I explain it to other people when they're like, why do you watch this over and over? It's because like, so Stasi and Jacks start off together. And look at them. They go through this horrific breakup. They have all this shit. then they're like good again. I also was thinking you said that you were shy yes I think as millennials like connecting is so important especially like with females and growing our careers is just

like building each other up and collaborating instead of just like competing all the time and YouTube how did you put yourself out there to like connect a network with these people um I mean it's so much I wanted to I wanted to move to New York and do stand-up I've never in my whole life done standoff. I've never done anything like that. Even in high school, I would get like special provisions if I had to do a speech or whatever in front of my class. So that I didn't have to do it in front of my class. But you're like, I should definitely do it in front 150 people. Totally. 150 me, New Yorkers. Totally. So I was like, I'll try that. And so I never tried that. But I feel like in your bedroom talking to a camera is nothing. It's like I'm by myself.

So would you like make yourself go out? What? Like to like meet people? Um, I mean, I feel like, because then I would watch like, I would watch Jack Dodge's videos as well. So then it kind of felt like I knew him a little bit. And then we'd like meet on Twitter. And then we were like, whoa, let's be best friends. And now we're good with being like social online and like reaching out and being like

what's up. I like your stuff. Yeah. Well, now I'm a lot better in person as well. Like five, six years ago, like this. wouldn't have been happening. I love the growth though. Yeah.

It doesn't mean that like you're not like this. It's just for whatever reason you didn't have the belief or you had fears that you like conquered. But also confidence is you just have to fake it till you make it. Yeah. I feel like everyone's faking. Totally. To an extent.

But that's great. Like no one's born confident. There's nothing that Ellen DeGeneres has that I don't have that makes her able to like speak in front of a thousand people. Do you know what I mean? Ellen is the queen. She is the queen. The queen.

So do you have anxiety? Yeah, totally. Because I feel, what is your brand kind of like a little awkward quirky? I guess so. I'm like, are you awkward? And you're like, well, now you're making it awkward. I guess. I was like reading some articles and stuff.

Yeah, I think I'm a little awkward. How would you describe your brand? Oh my gosh. I don't know. I guess, yeah, I'm a little awkward quacky. I just feel like I've watched some YouTubers and they're like, This is me, bitch. This is how we do.

And you're very, like, relatable in just, like, you're not trying to show that you're, like, cooler or better than anyone. No, I'm not. And it's, like, refreshing. I'm not better than anyone. No one's better than anyone. But, like, you know, you're not using your channel to try to, like, be something or not. No.

I want to be my most authentic self. That's when I look at the moon and I'm like, what do I want from this life? I'm like, I just want to be 100% myself because everyone is so different. So of course, it's like interesting. I love like, do you know Joanna Cedia? I just started watching our YouTube videos.

No. She's like a huge nut. She has two friends and they are her parents. And she's like in university for like science. And I, we don't relate on anything. I'm nothing like her. Other than the, I just love that like how true. to herself she is and I think that that is so interesting I I think that's the ultimate like happiness is

being in alignment with like yeah what you are and not trying to be something or not I think in this age of social media a lot of people get anxiety because they're like living this life that they like want to be or want to be perceived as and if you're you know that you're not that then you feel like this disconnect yeah but if you're always being also if you want to be successful in a creative field I think all you have to do is be your full self because then you'll always be unique. You'll always be different. Isn't that what creativity is? Yeah.

And you could be inspired a lot. Like I'm inspired every day, but then I think like, okay, how do I deal with that situation? Exactly. How would I sit in a little car at Taco Bell? I'm doing little car videos. They're like, um, what? Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything as a failure.

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yes i feel like i feel like people with cats are like can i don't know i'm trying to stereotype but they can like you can get your own head you're like you like just being alone sometimes sure i mean that's how i'll recharge is being alone with your cats it's my cats i love them But honestly, like, they have truly helped me so much with depression. Oh, my God, my cat literally got me out of depression. Yeah, right? It's before I had cats, sure, I had, like, bounced with... This episode sponsored by cats.

You should go adopt. You should adopt and shop. Oh, adopt and shop. Yeah, so I, it's just, it was, like, more lonely in the big city. Didn't have family here. And, but now it's... It's also like something to take care of. We are, my cats and I are so connected.

It's stupid. Yeah. Well, when I walk into my house, the first thing I think of is normally if I didn't have a cat, I'd be like, I'm back alone with my thoughts. But instead, I'm like, what does butter need? I'm like, how do I make butter happy? I told you, I'm just trying to make a better life for butter. Totally.

And when you have that bigger purpose and this animal has brought me so much joy, she has no idea. I know. But you get out of your own head. And I'm learning, like, what real love is. As in, like, we just, yeah. Cat ladies do. We're like, totally cat ladies.

I try to avoid it on the podcast, but I do, I do a little stand-up. And I have this bit about, like, I don't understand why people, like, have a hatred for cats. That used to be me. What? So you are converted. Yes, I am totally. I used to be terrified of cats. Oh, my God.

Because you thought they, like, scratch your eyes out of something. Yes, I thought they would scratch my eyes. out. And that's how I was raised. My grandma, if I'm on FaceTime with my grandma and I show her my cats, she's like, oh, my eyes, get away from me. She hates cats. She's like, they are the devil. Watch it, like, watch your back when you're asleep. And my mom also. Meanwhile, they're protecting me from spirits while I'm sleeping. Exactly, grandma. And my mom also would just say that she was like terribly allergic to cats and it was like, keep them away from me. Because she was terrified and that made me terrified and then I got into a relationship with someone who had a cat so I was like this is

just something that I am gonna have to get a bovah and it was the sweetest cat and I was like I love cats I love the girl because I always say like people love sharks and like sharks kill 15 people a year and sharks get a whole week dedicated to them but I'm an asshole because I like my cat who lowers my anxiety when I pet it cat week what's cat wing I know it's her cat this is turning to just a cat up off. But yeah, I think that also, if you don't, if you don't know the cat, like, you have to earn its trust. I say, like, if a stranger came up to you and tried to pet you, I'd say, buy me a drink first. Yeah, you'd be like, I'm going to fuck down. And cats, once you get a cat's affection, like, if someone else's cat lets me pet it or, like, sits on my lap, I'm good for weeks.

Special. Like, I am good for weeks. That's good. It's good stuff. so what do you think like triggers your depression or anxiety huh wow we're getting a little dark deep yeah and like speaking of cats when do you hate yourself yeah um I guess like my biggest about of depression anxiety uh happened back in 2017 I was going to my first breakup and I and you were doing well with YouTube and stuff so your career was okay but it But it wasn't, it, uh, I lived, I had like just moved into a really big house with a couple people and, and my partner at the time. And rent was expensive, but we was sharing a room. So like, that was true. Were there other YouTubers there? Yes. That's good. So you're like,

this could help my like making content. Sure. But I, uh, I mean, then they, we broke up. They moved out. I was like, fuck. Oh my God. My rent just doubled. And I am like too anxious and depressed to move what do i do so i was like let me fix this by smoking a lot of weed and not leaving my room okay helped no one no i just spent a lot of money spent a lot of money stayed in bed so it was that was pretty was that your first like bad breakup yeah that was my first breakup at all and i did not know how to deal with it and i obviously um it yeah it was ending it had to it had to end it was kind of toxic totally yeah um so yeah so i just like i was like i will smoke this away and then wake up a different person and every day i would be like i will smoke this away and be a

different passage how did that affect your like youtube creation um somehow i was still making videos i don't know it's good go go girl yeah sometimes i feel like when i'm having issues of like personal relationships or something i like can get lost in my work and feel and like it's like yeah i get away for a second yeah i don't know it that was a weird time so that was like probably like the darkest time but i survived you just over time got out of it yeah it just yeah like i stopped hotboxing my room yeah i did have to stop smoking my cats were getting high no i didn't have the cats then i should have had one but no i didn't i would have actually just solved immediately truly would have changed some shit up so do you ever get worried like about

your next video like what is it going to be like i'm like i guess going to run out of ideas like you've been doing this for so long i have um yes i am concerned about my next video i well my last video uh different ex wrote a song about me and we hadn't spoken in like four months and so i reacted to that video. I'm going to react to this song, whatever. So I made a video called My Ex wrote a song about me. And I, like, listened to the song and I react to the song. And so now I'm like, well, fuck.

What do I do now? I don't know because then she made a video being like, my ex thinks I wrote a song about her, blah, blah, blah. Did you guys talk at all? Like, did you text? You're like, hey, I'm doing this video or no. Oh, I love that. I love it.

You're just like, drop the mic. I know. I know. It was so weird. the thing is it wasn't petty because I liked the song and I was like this is the great song I listened to the song and I like linked it in my description whatever and then in how video she was like great video linked it but we like never spoke about it because we haven't spoken in like four five months now wow um yeah the thing with I'm like that like I tweet a lot

and after a tweet I'll be like I don't know if I could ever think of another funny tweet and if you force it like you'll just freak out but if you just live life and like for example you can't plan what's going to happen tomorrow that might be an amazing video like your ex might write another song about you yeah please you don't know please alie you write another song you just have to be confident that you will like know how to react to life's events yeah um but now everyone's being like did you see allie's video did you see it did you see it and i haven't said anything about it i'm like oh my god reaction video no we can't do this forever this the game it's the new small small car video yeah yeah like how long do i do this fall before it's really sad isn't the um

But you edit your own stuff and you, that's awesome. I think like for people who want to be in creative fields too, like don't be afraid of really learning all the aspects of the art that you're doing. Totally. And it makes you better what you do. How did you get on summer house? Oh my God. Turning it on me or someone.

So I actually was working. I was like in sales as in marketing. I was hating my life. And then I was like, I just want to do video. Like I just had this spark in my house. Like I want to do video and I submitted a funny video to this company called Betches that you're actually going to be on there. podcast later today. Yeah, I'm going. Yeah, right after this. So they, like, we're like,

you can start freelancing. We're starting a video team. I was the first person. I didn't really know what I was doing. I had done like Adobe Premiere Pro editing in college, um, because I studied media, but I hadn't done it for like four years. I like retought it to myself. And I started making funny videos and just like one minute videos for betches, just for betches for their Instagram, like, you know, two types of girls or like, types of girls at brunch or like when you send a risky text, And I would act in them. I'd cast them. I produced them. And then I guess I started to meet a lot of people. And then Summerhouse was recasting. And I had like, I'd interviewed Carl before for beches. And I'd like known. I'd seen them around the city. And I guess my name got thrown in. Cool. And then. So you have like a house in the Hamptons. So we have this place the Hamptons that we'd go every weekend. It's a bitch of a drive. It's like four hours. Oh my God. But that's, I think that's part of the show. Like you can't like take the train. No. Well, the train is as long oh my god but the time by the time you get there you all like want to kill each other so it makes great tv but then you just have a couple rose and you're just like ah um it but it was

just one those weird opportunities that like i just put video like into the universe i mean to be on a tv show it was like my dream but i was i also was like i'm not going to be on tv show let's start with like an instagram video and then it was a like DM slide someone was like hey your name's been thrown around because you know some of them what's like your story line what's your drama well my that's first season i don't want to give it away but um i had like gotten out of a bad relationship and i was dealing with um being single hooked up with a bunch of the guys on the show i started actually i dated a british guy season three i brought in my own dude i like wasn't into anyone oh my gosh and i'd been like talking him on the side and at first i was like

i'm gonna keep him out of reality tv like reality tv is a lot for a random person to ask to be like hey do you want to film like and possibly look however yeah to national television and accopade yeah and event like i was telling him like i don't want you a film i don't want you a film and then like five or six weeks in i was like i want to have fun do you want to come to this party we're throwing so yeah i did have a i dated a foreign guy season three and then um tbd for season four it's you should definitely listen okay i mean watch yeah i'm like promoting a podcast too i want to end with a game okay you're doing amazing thanks um it's called um it's called seven deadly sins um it's called seven deadly sins what are you what are you greedy about uh i guess i'm greedy or it's weird um i'm i would say like attention

because like yes give me attention but then also i'm i'm not good with attention like if someone stops me at cubbyhole and it's like I love your videos I'm like and then I like have to hide but I do want I'm greedy for attention okay well it's funny attention comes in different ways even me like with dating I love attention but I kind of just want it from the one dude that I'm liking oh yeah I don't just like random like men's attention doesn't make me feel better it makes me feel like over sexualized and weird I don't like it at all no terrible also with you if YouTubers are almost similar to TV people where, like, if we were musicians, let's say, people don't think they know your life. Yeah.

So all of people in New York just be like, Hannah. Yeah. And I'll turn. And like, I grew up in New York. Like, you could easily be someone that I like went to middle school with and I forgot. And I'll look at them and they'll be like, Hannah. And I'm like, oh, my God, what's your name? I forgot.

And you have this awkward like six seconds and they're like, yeah, summer house. And then I'm like, oh, damn it. Like, that's my, like, because then they make, you make it awkward. Like, I ruin it because I'm like, oh. Yeah. So it sucks to be stopped and then you feel like the awkward one. I am. Yeah, I am awkward.

I was like, I've never really worked out how to make that normal. But if someone just went up to you and they're like, hey, like your YouTube school, you'd be like, thanks. But if someone just goes, Amy, and you're like. I'm like, what's up? But please keep doing it. I love it. Oh, no, I love it. When you see me be awkward, it's because I think I know you from somewhere.

I'm just awkward. Or sometimes I'll assume I know them from somewhere and I'll be like, oh, hey, what's up? How are you? And then they're like, you don't know. me? And then I'm like, well, God damn it. Sorry for trying to make this a better situation for both of us. Anyways, now I miss about myself. Um, who are you envious of? I guess I'm Envity, I'm envious of Australian term. Yeah. I'm envious of Jenna Marbles. I love her so much because she's like, she's doing her own thing. Doing her own thing. She's like staying home with her

fall dogs and a boyfriend cooking a bunch of vegan food in her like literal mansion just like making videos that she wants to make every week what do you do when you're unmotivated for a video i will go to the beach i love like going for a long drive to the beach and listening to music and stuff like so you like change your mood yes i love that yeah getting out of your current like whatever your current situation is that you're getting like spiraling in. Oh, I wish I lived that close to the beach. Where do you live now? I live in Hollywood. Oh, yeah. It's like a 45 minute drive, 45 to an hour, depending. But it's just so nice. Don't you wish you could take your cats? I do. I really wish I do. I could take them, but I mean,

oh, you said what I meant I do. I was like, oh my God, you're the coolest. No, they would not like it at all at all. And I just want them to be happy. All I want is for butter and what's a max? Max and Wednesday, yeah. And Wednesday? But I also grew up by the beach, so it feels like, oh. Yeah, I do feel like, like New York, that's what happens with the New Yorkers in the summer. Like, we all go insane because the concrete jungle is like so hot and gross and smelly. It is so hot.

Even today. So imagine on the weekends we go, hey, let's go a couple hours out and we find the beach. Totally. What are you gluttonous about? I'm not very good at sharing. So are you an only child? No, I'm not. So I bet I'm still not going to share it.

I just never shared with those bitches. Yeah, not good at sharing. I don't like sharing my food. I don't like sharing my space, really. That's why I live alone now and it's, oh my God, it's so good. You are a cat. I'm a cat. Yeah.

Don't like sharing. So I feel like it's mine. And if it's not mine, I'll hit it off the counter. Exactly. Love that. They look at you too when they do it. Like they put their paw and I'm like, don't do it. Little asshole.

And they look at you while they do it. I know. It's just ridiculous. It's so funny though. I can't get mad. I know. It's too funny. My cat has this new thing where she, if I'm gone for the weekend and I come back, my

toilet paper is just torn apart. Everywhere. And like the perfect little pieces of the same. So I was like, okay, I have to now do things to avoid this. So I put it in the cabinet under the sink. Oh. Another day I walk in and there's toilet paper everywhere. And I'm like, God damn it.

I'm so stupid. I forgot to. to put it in the cabinet again. So come back, she did it again. I said, this bitch knows how to open the cabinet door. She opens the cabinet, doesn't care to drop to anything in the cabinet. There's tons of stuff she could fuck with. Finds the toilet paper, pulls it out.

And it's like, you want to try again? But isn't that so annoying that we have to change our lives? Like, is that not? I want to go on Amazon and find like a cover thing for my toilet paper. There's no reason. Like when people visit, they're like, where's the toilet paper? I'm like, oh, it's under the sink, but you have to go like deep, under like the drain.

Yeah, it's right there. And put it right back because that bitch will find it. But it's like adorable. But like we'll allow it. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath?

Like do you get angry? Like I don't think of myself like as a particularly angry person. But my cat batter did knock over an entire cup of coffee onto my carpet. No. So now I have a huge stain on my carpet.

Like does she not? Like why do they? like that like doesn't she see that it causes turmoil she doesn't give a fuck she's very selfish but hey whatever how i think about it is like i have trapped these kiddos in my apartment and i will not let them go so they can do whatever they want my couch is scratched all the way up yeah yeah my bed completely scratched up the coffee on the floor on the carpet and like sure it's totally annoying but I can handle it. Yes, it's worth it.

I have this theory. Like, I hope dog, people don't get mad at me, but everyone's like, how dogs, like, first of all, they say cats do know their names. Okay. Just cats choose not to answer to them. Okay, that makes sense. You're like, butter, and, like, they come.

Sometimes. They fucking know their name. Yeah. But then you're like, butter, and she's just like, no, I'm not the mood. Like, I wish as a human I could do that. Or be someone calls my name, and I'm like, yeah, not today.

We're not. I'm not getting into this. Well, that's like screening someone's call. Exactly. Like when they text me, but it's not cool. But if I was a cat, I could literally ignore everyone. Also, dogs had to be, like, trained to be domesticated. Or, like, think about cats.

You can get a wild cat and just put it in your house. That's what I did. And cats, apparently from the beginning of time, I've done love research, in Egypt, like, they didn't domesticate them. Cats just love being around humans. Oh, sweet. But then they like to knock over your shit and torture you. Ridiculous. It's the whole thing.

This is just my own. I love to stereotype. How, what's the biggest difference between Australia and L.A.? I mean, you guys both love fitness. You guys have a lot of fitness models in Australia, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. Everyone in Australia is very fit. I think maybe just like the, I mean, at least to me, I grew up on the beach, like the beach culture.

I would walk around without shoes and. You surf? I used to. I wasn't very good. Not important. I'm not a spotty girl. Yeah, so I would just, like, walk to the beach, get a latte, like, stuff like that. I mean, obviously, you can go to Venice and do that, but it's a different vibe.

And you're enjoying the people in L.A.? Some of them. Like, I mean, there's assholes everywhere. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, there's more in L.A. It's a cool mix. Yeah, you really have to, like, find the ones. Yeah, it's like vintage shopping.

You've got to really dig deep. Totally. That's a great analogy. That's why I feel like online dating is. Oh, yeah. You got to dig deep. I haven't even tried. Oh, stay out of it.

Don't do it. When was the last time you were a sloth? Like, do you ever get lazy? Yeah, hell yeah. I, yeah. Yes. She's just like, the answer to that is yes. Yes, sloth, totally.

I mean, I do just sit and watch Real Housewives all day. That's amazing. My cat enables my, for a second. I dreamed that I had more than my cat. You should get more. I know. But she enables my laziness because I'll be like, We have to get up.

And then I turn to her and she's just on her back. And I'm like, no, we don't. I'm like, we don't. Yeah. We don't. Yeah, we don't. And the next thing you know, my mom's like, it's 3 p.m. What have you done?

And I'm like, better or not? You're having a mental health day. Yeah. Totally. Do you ever feel like, how do you get yourself to edit the video? Like, because this, you don't have a boss standing over you. Like, is it done yet? How do you motivate yourself to be like, do you wait till last minute each week?

Or what do you do? I am, I am a wait till last minute type of person. I don't want to be. I'm going to change. But the pressure helps. The pressure helps and hinders for sure. I can't edit like in my house. So I have to go to a coffee shop or a friend's house.

I love like co-working. So I'll text my friend, Bia, and be like, are you editing today? And she's like, yes. And then I'll be like, yes. I love that you're on the same space because you like get it. Yes. You're like, we're going to focus.

Do you ask for people's opinions before you post? Sometimes. I mean, with my most. recent video, I was like, should I post this? It's weird. And honestly, I got mixed reviews and I was like, I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to do it. But sometimes mixed reviews means you like, you did something. Totally. Like what they say with reality TV is they're like the worst thing that could happen is people are like, eh. Like when they say like, what do you think about Hannah? You want people to either be like I loved her. I hated her. Yes. Because they're like the people who love me now. Like they'll go to like comedy shows and like they'll be my people. Oh, absolutely. It's like with friends. If I act fake and like on a first day and just act. like everything's like normal with me you're not going to track the right people no yeah let you're crazy out i know it's like vulnerability is power would you go on a reality tv show yes yes i feel like i could see you on one do you realize uh this is like a kind of um how do i say wild one are you the one on mtv okay they just had did you get casted for it no no no because they had one

that was like everyone was queer yeah i watched it uh did you like it um Um, yeah. Because you're single. So you do some kind of like dating thing. No, I mean, that was like no that I would be like romantically interested on that show. They're not like your type.

No. No. And they're all, they were all like fucking psychotic, which is awesome for TV. Like so hot and so psychotic. It was great TV, but I was like, I don't know if I'd be able to survive this. I mean, I love living alone and you share like a giant bed with 12 other people. I was like, Mm-mm.

No, it's, I mean, it's mental torture. That's how they get you to that point. Exactly, exactly. Just tormented. Yeah. This is a tough one.

When was the last time you let your pride get in the way of something? Oh, I'll... Never. I don't think that I'm like... So you don't really have an ego?

No. No, no, no. If anything, I, like, hate this bitch. I mean, I... Yeah, no. I don't think. What's your biggest physical insecurity?

oh my god my every all of it stop but you're so pretty thank you i mean there's days that i'm like wow she snatched who is she yeah but then those other days i'm like oh get out of here yeah i don't i don't i feel like australia is tough too because everyone's just like walking out six-pack yeah blonde pan yeah no no i'm just like i'm getting wrinkles and i'm only 25 And I also have pimples. I don't know. It's a great best of both. You're like, I'm kind of Benjamin Butt and like, what's happening?

Yeah, that's kind of cute. What's your biggest insecurity with, like, your personality? I think I'm incredibly specific. Which is cool and not cool. I mean, I think that I'm like... Your niche, is that what you were saying? Yeah, I'm pretty niche. I also have OCDs.

So I want to do. do the same things every day. I want to go on the same hike. I want to go to the same coffee shop. I want to take the same route home. You're a cat. I'm a cat. Like the rituals. They love a ritual. Yeah, I'm very ritualistic. Do you actually have OCD? I do. Yeah. How does that affect your life? Like what kind of effects happen? Because I have like OCD thoughts. I'm like a big OCD thought person. Okay. Like I'll like think of something and like can't get out of my head. Yeah, yeah, like the thought loops is a tricky one. Making lists. Making lists. Making lists. Also tricky. Because I'll like make the same list over and over and it's like, okay, I know that I'm

going to go on a hike and get a coffee. Yeah, it's also, I guess, the taking roots, like even if it's completely out of my way, like I'll have to take some root this way. Because you feel like it's good luck for your life? I don't know what it is. It's just a compulsion. Does it ever like hinder your life um um not that i not too much you're like honestly i just go more steps in on my on my hikes i mean yeah sure i do think like people who have like weird compulsive energy sometimes do really cool creative things you know like because you you think differently than other people yeah yeah positive okay because i'm like when i was a tennis player i would like the week before a match just like compulsively do like everything I was supposed to do like someone would drop their

trash and I'd be like I need to pick it up if I want to win later but that's like me trying to it's like anxiety like I'm being nice but it's like selfish but it's like me trying to control it's me trying to control the future by like when you can't yeah oh you can't um final question when was the last time you lusted over somebody oh my gosh I saw okay so the Emmys were last night oh yeah I saw Natasha Lee She was dressed like an old Jewish woman. I love that. I love her.

She's also hysterical and confident and cool. Yeah, she gives zero fucks. I'm like, that is hot. I want her so bad. What's your, like, type? So she, was she, I don't know if she'd be, like, my type, passe, but her and Cleo Duval, they were in this movie. They've been actually in a bunch of movies together that they play love interests,

and I'm like, put me in. the middle. I love this. You're like, I'm just going to edit myself right here. Totally. It's added with a movie called Baramachia Lita. It's my favorite gay movie. And then they've been just in a bunch of, I don't know. Is she gay? Natasha Leon is not. Cleodovall is. So I'm like, great, I have a chance. Even though she's like 40 or something, I'm like, yes. I love it. I feel like with straight relationships, because it's the most, it's so like in a box, people get really worried about age, but in gay relationships, it's like it's already like a different concept of love. So I feel like a power dynamic thing, like the, I don't know. Maybe. Would you date an

older woman? Yes. Never have, but I am in a phase right now where I am into old people. Well, older women are like, they're shit together. They're so confident. Yeah. They're wise. You feel like they can teach you shit. Sure. Yes. I'm into it. I'm like, do I need to date an old woman? There's no way that Cleodovall would be down to date, like 25-year-old's me, but I'm like throwing it out into the universe. So you've been amazing. My final question that I like to ask everyone is, what advice would you give to people on coping with their hell? Like when you're in hell, how do you get out of it? Um, just to, I, I have a slingshot tattoo because whatever pulls you back is just going to propel you forward. So even if you're going through, I love that. I've never heard

that. I, thank you. Um, yeah, I'd, I'd, love this tattoo. Every time I'm going through a bad time, I'm like, oh, this is just going to shape me into something better, which is exciting. I love that so much. I've also heard the like the bouncy ball where it's like whenever you get dropped, you bounce back higher. Absolutely. And that's how life is. Yeah. Amy, where can people follow you and listen to your stuff and watch your stuff? Listen to dating straight every Tuesday. You can follow me also at Amy Audman everywhere. Yeah, Instagram, your Twitter's good too. You're all over the place.

I'm everywhere. So, yeah. Can you listen to Dating straight? Dating straight. Seriously. Can you hear more about, we learned a lot about her, but you can learn a lot more about her dating life and stuff like that, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I really open up. And I spread my legs. And if you enjoy this episode, screenshot it, tag Amy, tag me. Thank you so much for coming, and I'll see you guys. Next time in hell. Bye. Bye. Mhe, he, he ha, ha, ha.