Berner Phone - Barbara Corcoran: How To Be A Shark & Manifest Money

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

BARBARA CORCORAN AKA THE QUEEN AKA MOTHER AKA THE SHARK AKA THE BADDEST BIOTCH IS IN HELL!!!! (as you can tell I'm freaking out) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Heaven This is my Taylor Swift. This is Mother. This is the Queen of All Queens. When I tell you, you message me on Instagram, I took my phone, threw it across the room, ran around seven times. Did you really?

I lost my damn mind, Barbara. I'm going to do it every day now. I'm not star-struck. I'm not a star-struck bitch. Yeah, you don't strike me like that type at all. You are a person that I respect and aspire to be so much, and you've inspired so many women slash men slash gays all over the world. And I just want to say, thank you for coming to hell today. My pleasure.

I've listened to you, and you're so much yourself, and that's why we're here. You're always yourself. Okay, now I'm going to cry. No, no crying, no crying. No crying. So I'm, I know you're from New Jersey. Yes. I'm from New York. It's better to say you're from New York.

People will be like West New York. The kind of like your title line you have is, you know, you had 22 jobs. And then you started a business with $1,000 with a boy toy. Oh, yeah. And you built it into the Corcoran Group, a whole media empire. It's pretty fucking incredible. Well, I take it for granted. It's such an old story.

Me, I'm never impressed. I'm happy you are. My question is, more money, more problems. Always, very much so. And that's the interview. Thank you guys so much for coming. It was great being here. Pleasure. Because I'm in a place in my life where, you know, I'm very driven. You want success. I want to create. I want to, but I want to be happy.

You've had times in your life where you're broke a shit and you have times where you have penthouses. how does money equate with the joy you're feeling in life? It plays a big number in life. It really does. I never expected it. You know, when you are poor, what you can say about it, which is good, is you have nothing to lose nowhere to go but up. And that's really a freedom. Nobody's watching you. Nobody has expectations. You don't have expectations of yourself. So you kind of have an attitude, well, let's see what we got here. I'll work my ass off and see where it goes.

But once you have money, everybody you know, No, has a $10,000 problem. And they always come to you. You're a magnet. When people think I have an issue, it's not just help with business, but help with cash. So everybody comes to you. The biggest surprise to me was when I sold my real estate company for a lot of my $66 million, I probably spent the first two months listening to people's, not pitches, but how they really need just 10.

It was always 10,000 for some reason. And then I finally decided to let my account and deal with them. I say, I love it. I'd be happy to as long as you'd get it past the accountant. And then the other thing I do with friends is decide it wasn't alone. I gave them gifts. And that really took a lot of issue out of the problem, a lot of heat. No, no, don't pay me back.

This is a gift. You deserve it. You're my friend. But then it plays havoc on friendship. It plays havoc on families. You don't know who is coming at you for what reason. And I'm not a cynic. I'm not at all a negative person.

I hated myself to think negatively on the first. front side. But it's a complicated. It complicates things with children, much more so. Poor kids don't have issues when a parent dies. Rich kids have issues when a parent dies. You heard about Milakounis. Yes, of course. That want to donate all their money. I was like, can they keep a mill on the side just in case, just in case there's an injury, a little insurance. But I love that answer because people see success and they just think you're floating through life. Yeah. But you're not care for you anymore basically is the short of it because you have with money comes some power and then people are like how can this help me i mean you're basically the drake of real estate because drake always wraps about

who do i know who's the real ones around me oh really yeah what is your biggest advice for setting boundaries because people will take take take take take take take yes of course how do you decide what to keep for Barbara, not even money, but just like sanity. You know what? It doesn't come easy for me because I'm a giver and I contend that people are the givers or takers generally, usually not both so well. So I'm a really good giver, but I get into trouble a lot by giving. I bought a townhouse or I shouldn't say I bought it. I gifted a townhouse to my closest friend and their family and they couldn't pay the mortgage. So did I send me? No, I lost all that money. I lost all that money. and I lost the friendship.

And the friendship with the kids, it was terrible in my life. My immediate answer and everything is yes. Same. Especially when she wants to hear. But you know what? You run dry after a while. Sometimes I feel like everybody's picked a piece of me off me.

Whether it be motivation, whether it be money, whether it be, can you just help me? Can you be my mentor? It's like, I have nothing left. And obviously, if you have the power to help as many people as possible, you want to. But you're actually just a human woman, even though the concept of Barbara Corcoran is this, you know, superwoman,

but you still are a human who needs to sleep at night. But you know what the upside is, and you can't negate that at all, is you can really influence people. You can really make their life better. You get them looking at life differently. You can motivate. I mean, that is a great privilege because what do we all want in life is to really, in the end, make a difference.

So whatever that difference is. So I made the difference always with doling, cash until I realize I'm making a big enough difference helping people and motivating people. Yes. And that helped me draw a little bit of barrier, but I'm still no good at it, honestly. But it's a double-edged sword because I feel like it's brought you success, being so open, saying yes, being generous. There's this Los Angeles concept of like money manifestation, which is like the concept of abundance, that the more you give and the more you spend, the more you end up making. But there's truth in that. I mean, I've never ever responsible.

to make money. It's always come because I'm a very good worker. I'm decent at business. I'm no good at making money on money. I've lost a lot of money there, but I'm great at making money. But I've never had that as a goal ever in my life. And it sort of took care of itself if you really work hard and do your best all the time. What was your goal? My goal was to be the Queen of New York Real Estate. Only goal. It was kind of shallow if you think about it. I said, I'm going to be the queen. I'm going to be the biggest company in town. And all you, oh boy network guys, looking down their noses at me, I don't mind I'm going to come and get even. And, you know, they didn't

pay attention to me for the first 10 years in business until I came and bit them in their ass. Are you allowed to say yes? Fuck yeah. Oh, wow! You're allowed to do the effort? That's my territory. Oh, don't tempt me, Barbara.

Okay. You could do the dirty talk. You don't understand. This is my kink. Okay. I love going to male-dominated spaces. Yes. And finding space and showing them that we are, are here watching you on shark tank when you know it's all the old boys which we love kings but for you to sit there and take up space and command respect and humor and grace and intelligence like

it was so inspired that show is so freaking good i know the show's good but i didn't know all those adjectives applied to me. Girl, they do. Okay. But it's because you're just yourself. You weren't trying. You were Barbara, and there's only one Barbara. Well, if you could bring you to the four, I must say, we're all unique and people always like anything that's authentic, even if they don't like what they see, they like you because you're authentic. But I have to tell you, it took me a good five years on

Shark Tank to feel myself. I never let my personality show because I wasn't confident enough. I couldn't speak up. I was overrode by the boys. Lorry is as strong as of boys in our volume. And I have this little voice, they cut all that out. The editors, thank God, would cut me out, going, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute. So I've had to learn to speak up. Didn't come easily. Like you weren't a performer necessarily. No, I wasn't. I was a person late. You're just, you're yourself. Yeah, but you know, I walked in knowing I had accomplished something that helped me a lot. Because in my darkest

hours when I was saying, Jesus, I've nothing really good to say here. I was just saying, I have to, because I couldn't have gotten to where I got without being substantial. And I would reach back into that past experience to bring something to the four. And you probably didn't ever think I want to be on a reality TV show. Never. In fact, when they first called, I swear to God, I thought it was a cooking, not a cookie show or a fishing show. Wouldn't you? I mean, nobody heard the word.

Barbara, we're going to throw you in a tank. You're going to fight off some sharks. What do you think? How was your agency? But I also, I have this theory that, like, I think sometimes like five-year plans or certain goals can be limiting because we don't even know what the universe like has for us and if you think too specifically it's like you might cut off certain opportunities I think if it's not expansive enough but for me I'm telling you if I didn't have that dream of being the

New York real estate queen I would have never gotten there for me I needed a concrete goal that I could measure that I could run toward and make my dream come true so if I had left it lucy goosey I wouldn't have gotten anywhere. I'm not one of those. But I do like the concept that you said, I want to be the queen of real estate. As in, that meant everything. I want it all.

Yeah. Or at least I wanted to be the biggest. Yes. Yeah. And I love that you use the word the biggest, because, again, that's something that, like, is a masculine quality to say, I want to be big.

Yeah. I feel like girls, we get taught not to think to myself. But I had it in my head. Do you believe in manifesting? Again, like you're L.A.? Yes. Yes, I do, because I spend money like it's meaningless. I spend it on anybody and everything I ever want, and I never ask, can I afford it?

Now, that would be a reckless formula for most people, but I know somehow I always make money. So I have a blind faith that I'm always okay. You have that just confidence. And you didn't grow up with money. You were one of ten? No, but I'll tell you what I learned from my mother and father, because they had ten kids, and we lived shoestring. My dad was not employed half the time. looking for another job.

So we had a tough financial upbringing, but we had so much love around us. But most importantly, my mother never worried about money. I remember one time I was at the Corcoran Group, we had a terrible 18, 19% interest rates. That's why I can't complain about today's interest rates. It's like, you've got to be kidding. That's nothing.

Back in my day. But I was going out of business. And my mother happened to call me on a Sunday night, and she said, you don't sound like yourself. You sound worried. I said, well, actually, I have a sales meeting tomorrow. I'm going to announce I'm going out of business. I said, I feel so responsible for all these people. I think I had maybe 500 agents, but I was dry. I couldn't extend it in another minute. And she said, you're not worrying about money, are you? What a waste of time. And I tell you, she lifted that worry off my shoulders, and I thought of other ideas to try and I stayed in business. I don't think if I didn't have that phone call. But she was such an example of, don't worry about money. What a waste of time. You're healthy. We're healthy. We're eating tonight, aren't we? That was her measurement.

So I really have that attitude. Like, what's the worst that could happen? I could go back to the diner and get my old job back. Maybe not move this to ask. You know, you'll figure it out. I was happy. You know, how? I don't think it's happy now.

I have to admit, I'm used to nice things. Better outfits in my black and white uniform. But I do have to say, because this is like my first two years that I've started to make money as an entrepreneur. I'm just starting. I'm watching. You are going to kill it. You know that. But I think you're not running for the money.

money like I have to make a hundred thousand more I'm like you I don't care about the money I care about I want to have an influence I want to be hurt I want to be able to make people think differently about things and good and take up space and yeah money I feel like it comes and goes but it's like I know I feel exactly the same way as you'll be fine yeah do you have any advice for when you're in a boardroom or you're with all these men any advice for you know these women coming up in business just to like feel a little more comfortable in the room and be heard. Sure, I never thought of myself as a woman, ever. Not a day went by that I thought, oh, more woman have a disadvantage.

It gets in your way. I just thought of myself as a competitor, and that's how women should think. Forget about this woman thing. I know it's not fashionable to say that, but just think of yourself as a competitor. How could I win? And women will outwork men, they'll out prepare men, they'll give it more thought. So you've got a better shot just by your nature if you want to lean on your womanhood. But the fact is, you're just a competitor and see how you can win the game, you know?

It's so fun, too, because I was an athlete, so I do take on life like it's a game. Did you play sports or anything growing up? I wish I had, but they didn't have sports when I was in high school, believe it or not. The guys had the sports. I mean, we had gym. Unless you had your period, then you didn't have to go to gym. This is why you're so iconic, okay? Because you were in an age where you didn't even have examples of, like, okay, I can't even,

this is like too much for me to handle. her own thing, you know? Yeah, but you also, you saw things that maybe other people didn't see, which is, I do believe, like, your imagination is important. Yeah, she's everything. Not just with me, but it's the essence of the best of all of life. What you could imagine, what you can become true, it's a magic. Well, it's magic. What's wrong with magic? So you started your company with your man, and then you guys, my man, your ex-man, your boyfriend. Ramoni, Simoni.

I'm exaggerating. It's Ramon Simone with two accents. Italian? He said he was from the Basque Country. I knew him two years when I met his mother, and she said he was from Harlem. I felt for that. That's the most New York stuff. He was a salesman. He was a salesman. I learned from him. We've all had guys who have taught us stuff. So you started it with him, and then you went off on your own. I had to go off on my own because he married my secretary. It was too, it broke my heart too much to go into the office after he married my secretary. and see them giggling and holding hands and being in love and I had nobody.

I didn't have enough confidence of myself to handle it. So I had to get rid of it. So I ended the business one day. I went in on a Friday, so we're cutting the business in half. We had 14 sales people, you pick first, I'll pick second. We chop, chop, chop, took about two minutes to end the business. Divided the money. I moved out that day.

You cut your losses? I guess I cut my losses or maybe a more honest way of putting it. I sheltered my heart. My heart was too broken. It wasn't good for me. I was faking it every day. No, it's not good. It was starting to eat at you.

It ate at me from the minute he said he was marrying her. Well, I mean, you're human. But it got in the way of my work, you know. It got in the way of the family we were building. We were like the parents in a way. We had these 14 happy children. To cut them in half was hard for them, too. I didn't realize until long after that.

You also feel betrayed, and I feel like a partner, there needs to be a sense of trust. Oh, trust is a number one thing. My God. But you know what? He fell in love with a young. woman. I was 30, she was 25. She was prettier than me. She had long blonde hair. I already had short blonde hair. That's not a turnoff of guys. She was far more feminine, charming than I was. I could see, I would fall in love with her myself. So I didn't really, once the time had passed,

I didn't blame them at all. But at the time it was tough. But also it's like, okay, well, if you wanted that kind of person in your life, then I'm not the one for you. No, well, he did pick me. But I was good for that other chapter. No, you're so right. He got to a chapter where I guess that wasn't it. And how did you meet your current husband? Bill Higgins, I proposed to him. First week, I met him, yeah. I wasn't going to mess around. I can't handle you. And he was in the FBI? He was my, he was in the FBI. That's my current husband. I've married a Bill for 30 years. But there was a husband in between who I also proposed to. Too quickly, on a step, what's in your mind? He goes, what do you mean what's in my mind? Well, you're going to marry me, not. But I was racing Ramon's supposed. to the altar. I realized it now. I didn't want him to get there before me. So this guy was good

looking, a nice guy. Grabbed him. You are competitive. And look, I, I don't care what drives me. I love revenge. I love long-term... I mean, whatever pushes me, like, I have, I've dated guys in the industry and comedy. And I'm like, well, now I have to be the greatest standard of comedian who ever did it. You got your power from that. Because I love that they can't go anywhere without seeing my face oh that's not really revenge you know what that is satisfaction because i didn't type you for a revenge type to cause revenge i would never do anything to anyone it's more i i take it to inspire me and to drive me and to instead of it hurting me saying let's capitalize on this of course and i'm like i'm a little systillion healthy thank you i'm not getting on your bad side

no girl we together i want to be boss I don't think it would work out I think you want to be bossed Let's do our own thing I think collaborating is That's better I mean You're my mentor

You just don't know it yet I have a couple fun questions for you Because I mean I could talk to you for 72 hours But in regards to Shark Tank I want to know just some behind the scenes About some of the cast Who takes the longest to get ready Robert Hirschweck

You must change his shirt 40 times How about this? How about this? Just put it on, Robert. We've got to shoot the show. He's a pretty boy. He's a pretty boy. Who's the most chatty with producers? With producers, I would say Damon John.

He likes to be a pal of everybody he's with. He's one of those guys, you know. He's my sweetheart. I love Damon. I love that. Who shows up first? Who's early to the office? I'm there at 5 a.m.

Two hours of makeup and hair. The guys roll in at quarter to 7. Not fair. Although Lori comes in shortly after me. yeah and let's face it she needs a lot more work but we're best of friends who were you closest with out of filming uh probably well it's the cross between mark and damon nice i actually met mark at south by southwest and i was it was like an after event with like w and me or something and i was very nervous what a nice guy however right were you shocked he's always the same barbara no pretense

whatsoever. He was sitting next to me and we're eating chips. And I'm a New Yorker. Like, I'm not going to bother anyone. Yeah. And I think he said something to me and then I mentioned something about Dallas and the Mavericks. And then chatty, like, I was talking to just like my dad's friend. Yes. And I didn't, he could be a huge, he could have kicked me in the shin. I would have said, thank you. You know, he could have been a dick. Yeah. You know, he's always the same. The first day I met Mark was an odd thing. I was going to set at five in the morning. and a guy was in my van. A guy was in my van. I'm like, oh, what are you doing here? I didn't ask him that. I said, do you mind help me with my bags? So I have massive luggage

that I'd go out there with the outfits. And he said, no, not at all, ma'am. Put it in the back. Drove me to the set. I said, do you mind taking my child? Not at all, ma'am. Like two hours later, I'm sitting in my seat. And it's Mark Cuban. I said, you're the guy in the van. He goes, yeah, I'm Mark Cuban. Nice to meet you. But he was carrying my bags. What a nice guy, right? I love Mark. Yeah. Oh, nothing not to love. So loyal to his wife. wife, by the way. Hard to do when you're a man with that kind of power of money. He's so loyal to his wife.

But this is the thing, Barbara, you're a woman with power and money. Is it hard for you to be loyal to your husband? Not at all, but I can't get a young guy. If I could, I wouldn't be loyal. It's a different game you play as a woman versus a man. If I was a man, I have young chicks all around me. Yeah. When I was dating in the beginning, I loved kind of just getting like a lot of hot men around me. I felt like it was powerful. But then you get bored. To hang out with or to date? To hang out with. Yeah.

And because then dating... Good-looking guys? Because I like good-looking guys. Oh, Barbara, we're the same. I want models, tall, cheek... I'm all... Because I like to feel like they're hotter than me. Oh.

I feel like it's empowering to be like, look what I got. Oh, boy. But then for a relationship, you need someone who's like really emotionally, you respect. Of course, it's so... I still like a good-looking guy. My husband builds a really good-looking. Yes. I would have never married him if...

I'm with a nice Irish man. I wouldn't have been with Ramon Simone. I hate to say that I'm not trite. I need to have a good-law. I'm very shallow too. I mean, I wouldn't call that shallow. Let's not go that far. We, good taste.

With discretion. Yes. You're Irish? Yes. Partially. Yeah, mostly. Partially. Yeah, I'm with a nice Irish-American man from Queens.

Oh, you have a drinking problem, I'm sure. Oh, he's sober since 19. Sober? Ah. That's good, though. It's in the family. That's a good guy. He, at 19, realized I can't handle it.

Wow, it's so young. And so he's mature. Wow. I love being with a sober man. Oh, definitely. I'm with sober Bill. He gave up drinking when he was 30 after a lot of turmoil. But I was always for the first five years of marriage,

God, if he drinks again, I'll die. But he does not touch it, committed. That means he's done some real work internally. Definitely. It's hot. Oh, yeah. But I still, he's an FBI agent. He was an FBI agent.

I don't know if I want to be with a man who's like that cunning. He's not cunning. I can con him every day of the week. There's not a cunning bone in his body. I put a hook in his mountains that come this way. Bill is so trusting and he's going. Oh, I love it. I joked because did you see Shakira found out her man was cheating from the jar of jam?

Yes. And I was saying, women should be the head of the FBI. Why are men the head of the FBI? This is such an old boys network. They have partners. They all carry guns. They make dual arrests. I know the whole.

Because let's be honest, I have a friend who can get on her computer and find everything on every single man from a name these girls are sleuths online yes yes and I imagine that's a big piece of it today I don't really know actually great segue I do some of these interviews on the street and I ask men and women on the street I have to just really see what the difference is I do these interviews where I ask people I first started asking men like questions I would make them uncomfortable or stuff about women's bodies yes a person and a lot of them are comedians that I so like because I'm hanging out the club and I'm doing it. Oh, okay.

And then I... Typical bomb on the street, because that could be dangerous. Yes. Or like if people are drunk, I don't really like interviewing them because then it could look bad and stuff. But I started asking them these like kind of more vulnerable questions. And I wanted to ask you some... Please, not vulnerable.

Oh, stop. Don't break my crust. Oh, stop. I'm kidding you. She's been open since she walked in. Have you ever faked an orgasm? All the time. Who hasn't?

I mean, I don't believe. a woman who says their husband is amazing in bed. I go, oh, really? Let me try them out. I don't think so. Also, you're busy. Like, you have emails to answer. I have a million excuses. My best excuse that I have one today, because I have an emerging coleser. I'll say, Bill, is that a coleser on my lap? Can you tell? And he'll say, no, I don't see. I said, I feel it. We better, you know, we better cool it here. It takes two months to heat. So I'm old, he's old. Like, even if, even if it happens, It's not very exciting. Also, a lot of women, I mean, especially like you talk Real Housewives of New York on the Upper East Side,

they're getting a lot of work done on their face and stuff. What is your relationship with aging, your appearance as Barbara Corcoran? I've always had an issue with aging, which I'm ashamed to admit. When I was 30, I felt like, oh, God, I'm 30. I'm old. When I was 40, it's, oh, God, I'm old. Now I wish I'd run around naked when I was that young looking back. I wasn't old, you know?

And you're in your 70s? 73 or 74 somewhere. You don't count anymore. I think it's your energy. Like I hope it's my facelifts that I've paid a lot of money for it. It doesn't look like you've had work done. Three times. I go to good guys.

Yeah. I don't mind a facelift. For me, it's like going in for a beauty treatment. I go every 10 years. That's my routine. Yes. I hope to live to 80. You'll go past 80, I feel like.

Hope there's a good surgeon around. I always pick the coolest, latest surgeon who's the best. Oh, yes. You want to stay up on the best technology. Well, Tommy Rivera keeps me up on everything. He says, you go to this guy, why? Because he's the best guy. Well, you, now that you're making money, and I was telling you, yes, I just started making money for the first time, and I realize I don't know rich people shit.

Like, I don't, you have to know what to do with the money. And I guess you ask other rich people, like, who designed your house or who, what vacation do I go on? Like, it's not, you don't just know how to, like, be rich. Well, let me tell you what happens. When you start to do well in life financially, people find you. You don't have to ask anybody. They find you. You get offers for this, offers for that.

Take that off your worry list, really. I heard you love skiing and going to the beach. Two favorite things. Who wouldn't? Oh, I know. Both seasons. What are some of your favorite beaches to go to? I go to one place.

I'm not a good travel, really. Well, I shouldn't say that. I do go to the Cayman Islands in the winter because I have a little hotel. I'm never mentioning to anyone. That is terrific. But I go to Fire Island. And why I like it, you wear a T-shirt, old shorts, the baggie of the better, the raunchy of the better,

and nobody bothers you. There's nothing to do there. You just hang out at the beach. That's my idea of heaven and earth. Well, you forget, you didn't plan, you wanted to be powerful, but you didn't necessarily plan the fame part of it. So wherever you go, you have a lot of people who bother a take.

Can I tell you, if I knew the fame piece was going to happen as it has, probably wouldn't have gone there, honestly. I think when you have great notoriety, and I don't have great notoriety, but I have enough notoriety for people who always ask me or pitch me or could I have a selfie? A selfie every day. I must. And without makeup, because I don't wear makeup

unless I'm on air somewhere. The fame piece robs you of your spirit. Listen to this story. I don't know if you're finding it. I found any of you. I was in Africa about 15 years ago on a safari, and there were these beautiful African men standing on a crest with literally the sun setting

spears in the hand I ran up and to take their picture they almost attacked me because they believed it robs your spirit when you give a picture away and I've come around to feeling some days like that's what happens I feel like what's left yeah selfie okay one more yeah selfie okay one more yeah well I joke because I've I'm in place where I started to get recognized and I'm a bad person get ready baby where I'm always like I'm picking my nose I'm like outside of Taco Bell like I'm not like you know you see a famous person they look perfect that's what people want today that's what people want really But it's like, you're, or I'm like, I just, you know, I'm, I'm talking with my mom about something crazy. I'm, and then someone's like, Hannah. And you're like, whoa, like I wasn't, if I knew people were looking at me, I wouldn't have been, you know, being whatever, just like, I mean, human. Why don't you get some wiggy? Oh, no, to wear on air. Be a different Hannah here and a different hana at home. It's like that singer, Sia. Does she do that?

So she wears a wig all the time, so no one even knows what she looks like, but she gets to do her art. But yeah, fame, it's fame. is fickle because I wanted people to know who I was, but you don't think about, like, people yelling at you when you're on the subway, like, excited and you think you're getting robbed. Well, Hannah, I have to say, you probably have the right amount of fame right now, and it doesn't get better. It gets worse. Because I remember when I built the Corcoran Group, I advertised my face, and people knew who I was. That was the right amount of fame. Yes. But Shark Tank's a different story. Yes. Nothing's left for yourself. I've talked to, you're the second person ever to tell me that.

one person had said I want a certain level of fame and then I want to stop to stop it imagine being a rock and roll store they can't ever come out of the hotel they stand around the world oh my god but you we're both driven and we want to be as successful as possible so it's it's almost like you're not going to stop you know the more notoriety you have generally the more money that comes with it and they kind of come together it's a tricky slope but at any point are you like okay do I really need another million I never need another million I never need another million in. I sold my business for 66 millions. I didn't spend a penny of it. Wow. I just didn't spend a I was afraid. I'd never make another mill. I thought I had sold the golden goose and could never

make money again. That was my attitude at the time. So let me reserve the eggs as long as I can. Money thing didn't register. Yeah. Really didn't register. Oh my God. Because we were talking about having fun, but it's like you spend money on things that bring you joy or bring you joy through other people. That's a real fun. That's the best part about having money. No. doubt you could take care of your family your friends spread your joy around share what you have the adventure uh you can't do that without money so much yes you could share your time yes but i bring all these people i don't even know if they like me for me anymore they probably don't they probably like me for what well they're just there's so many reasons to like you now you don't know which one it is

but it's true like making myself happy is complicated but making someone else happy that that's That's so easy to be happy. You're like, you're smiling, I'm smiling. I know, but you forget about how to make yourself happy, the long times and stuff like that. That's a real challenge in life. It's kind of funny because I was sitting, what do I ask Barbara Corcoran? What do I ask Barbara Corcoran? I'm sure you had no problem.

Well, I have a thousand questions in my phone right now, but I think the real root of it is like, and I started with asking more money, more problems. But how is your happiness level? How has it changed over time? When do you think you were your happiest and do you have any advice for being content? You know what? I think I was happiest at the point where you are now where I had a little notoriety,

the money was coming in and I could do things for people, but I'm a lot less happy now than I was, say, when I was 30, the potential on the horizon of what I could build and how much it would mean to everybody and who I could be with the anticipation, participation is such a juicy kind of happiness. I always found everything I got as a result of money. I can't believe I could buy my first horse and ride them in the fields,

which I hope for every time I blew out that candle, I want a horse as a little kid. When I got the horse, it wasn't as exciting as when I got the beach house, when I got the ski house, when I had all these options, this luxury, I was always kind of sad, like it didn't feel as good as I always thought it would. So you're saying like the hope and the chase is the juice. The hope and the change and what could be is where the happiness is. So I guess if you were wishing for that your whole life don't get to second base on it, it might not stay happy, the juice and the hoping.

But if you're progressing and you're anticipating, that's where all the joy is. But it seems like you still have a lot of like excitement of things you want to do. do because I make it happen for myself. And I'm not saying I'm probably the happiest person I know, honest to God. And I've sized myself up my whole life thinking, well, really, I think I'm the, I would never trade my life then or now. I was always the happiest person. But you asked me a very pointed question.

When were you happiest? And I'm not as happy now with many more options, a lot more money, a lot more opportunity, a lot more notoriety than I was when I was 30 and didn't, was just scratching at the And it was like so freaking exciting. Exciting. Yeah. I couldn't hardly go to sleep at night thinking of who I was going to be. Part of I'm getting chills.

I bet you're the same way. Like when you start feeling like you're in alignment, like you found something that you like to do in your purpose and you're just like, wait, I could just do this every day? Is this a joke? And where you believe in your own power that's going to happen? It's kind of like bike riding. You know, when you first do a two-wheel, you feel that pace.

You can always go back there and feel it again. and get that balance back once you feel that you go whoa i can't do it but i i compare it to surfing when you find the right wave and it's it becomes easy yeah and i've never yeah exactly oh my god because this podcast is i have a lot of people that people look up to on the pod and i was telling join my producer that it's not about you giving us answers to life but more that people understanding your struggles and how you cope with them that's all people want to hear They don't want to hear success stories. I want to hear hardship.

Even I do. Like, what went wrong here? Yeah, I'm like, what makes you have trouble sleeping at night? Yeah. Do you wake up and drink lemon water in the morning? No, who does? I guess somebody in the lemonade business is something? Do I want to invest in the lemon water business?

It's like an influencer's, like they joke. They wake up, they have lemon water. They have a beautiful, you know, bathroom break. A Dunkin' Donuts. two. That's what I have. Oh, you're naughty. The chocolate on top, the cream in the middle. Ooh. Wild. Delicious.

What is your, like, morning routine? Because you're kind of, like, people look at you as, like, a Gary V. Like, how to take on the world is Barbara Corcoran. Wrong image. I just have my Dunkin' Donuts, usually two. And a cup of coffee, sometimes a coffee and a half, and I go to work. Well, I shouldn't just make it that. I do work out for my sanity more. in my body. What is your workout you like to do? Three hours a week, alternating days during the week. I just lift weights, do stretches. Whatever Margaret tells me to do. I wouldn't work out for a minute if somebody didn't show up in my door. And that's a luxury of money. Yes.

So I'd be fat. Nothing is anything wrong with that. I have chubby sisters. I look great. You wouldn't feel as healthy. And mentally, I mean, to me, honestly, if I don't work out because Margaret's away for a week, I can feel such a difference mentally. I don't know how people succeed without working out. For me, it's a necessity. Wow. And I can tell because you have, you feel more powerful. Oh, yes.

Weeding the garden, that's what working out is for me, weeding the garden. It's like how you have to run a dog. Like, I'll be really annoying if I don't work out. Okay, do you prefer flowers or fettuccini? Gee, too bad I can't have both. I am a fanatic about flowers. I spend more money on flowers than I do on vacations.

Really? I love flowers. I had a flower business in college that went belly up. I realized I should have it as a hobby, not a business. Oh, wow. So you always wanted to be an entrepreneur? Not really. No, I was very happy as a waitress. I had all those 22 jobs. There were maybe three in the bunch that I didn't enjoy. I enjoyed anything I did. As long as I didn't have to be in the school room, because at school I was done. So anything after 3 o'clock was wonderful. Anything before 3 o'clock was horrible. Thank you for reminding me, because you are just Yeah. That's what they call it today. Yeah, because back then... They called it dumb kid when I was in school, yeah. So how the hell did you get confidence in yourself when it's like, you know that thing where they have two plants where one plant they say negative things too and one they say positive? You were a student that people were like, you're stupid.

All the time. But you know what? I succeeded because I had that problem. I really did. I can attribute all my success to struggling as a kid. I paid my dues in and also to my mother who, was the lady who, in your analogy, watered the plant who said nice things. She told me I was a genius. They all said all kinds of things just because I couldn't read her right, but my mother

said, you don't need to read and write. You have a fabulous imagination. You'll fill in all the blanks. My mother was... She sounds incredible. She was incredible. Honestly, every day of her life. However, having that negative tape in my head is what motivated me. I swear I still go back to that negative tape when I'm insecure, but not so much. I kind of killed it, mostly 90% of it, but I've been, like, working my whole life to really prove to everybody, I'm not stupid. Honest to God, if I was real with it and said, what's really behind it? Yeah.

So I'm getting, well, you said getting even. I guess I am vindictive. I'm getting even to show everybody, I am not stupid. Yes. But do I really believe it and buy into it myself? 90% until the bad days when I start second-guessing myself. But it's so funny because now as we've learned more about dyslexia, so many incredible people in the world have to. Especially entrepreneurs.

Yes. So it's like your brain is actually uniquely wired for business for myself. Do you know, I have found, because I've met people owning businesses my whole life, very successful, much more successful than I. I would make an educated guess at 70% of them are dyslexic. they if you get to know people and start to ask some questions you find that they're no good at school but they're great at business because they have they have whatever it takes to succeed at work and you have this like connection to your gut and connection it's like almost if someone can't hear how they're better at seeing yes it's almost how I feel with it and also you hire well because

you don't have talent within yourself so you have to find it outside so you wind up being a good people hire really naturally I think what's your favorite quality that makes you a good leader you know when you're when you're the loser any whatever if you could experience being a loser in life the fact of the matter is you can identify with anybody you get them on your page I have an easy time having people follow me I don't ask them they want to follow me and I think it's because I'm enormously empathetic I get them I see what they're capable of I see what their liability is I size them up quickly and I build on their strength and I think people realize I'm immediately on their side and that's what makes me a good leader

I think I think I'm a great leader honestly but not by design but it's a result of all that well it's a skill it doesn't everyone doesn't just it's a gift it's a gift you know everybody's got their own gifts that happens to be one of mine you know I grew up my mom was a principal

of a middle school and I watched her you had to go to that school well actually not until I went to that school and then she became principal I was like damn it I wish I wish I could be chilling in the principal's office I don't think so but yeah she a school in Parksville

Brooklyn um and i i had a mom who i i was like she's the shit like she's the boss but everyone you mean you said that in a favorable way yes yes like everyone she everyone respected her and she demanded um people to listen to her and but in a very like kind and empathetic way sounds like a great human being that goes a long way she is okay barbara we have a couple more questions you're doing incredible. I'm so happy to get an A on my report. You're doing amazing. It's nice to get an A once in a while.

Give you Gold Star. Do you pee in hot tubs? No, never, but I worry that everybody else does. You know? No, I don't. That's a strange question. I have to think about that next time in the hot tub. Maybe I'll give it a whirl.

You don't get caught at least. You know, it's like warm. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is the most embarrassing thing you pretended to like for a man? I pretended to like caviar with, I had never heard of it, seen it, I didn't like the way taste and rolled in my mouth, with Howard Milstein when he was trying to romance me to sell,

he owned Douglas Sleman at the time, he was romancing me to sell my firm to him, and he served me caviar, or I shouldn't say that his butler bowed down and served me cavia, and I put in my mouth, it was big, it was terrible, but I pretended. going to like it, but when he ate his, he used this little fork and knife. And boy, was I embarrassed. But I still am putting it in my mouth, my hands. I figure I got to play this card out. You just snored it. How do you cut? I'm not even going to ask. You can cut it. It wasn't a little roll, a little tight little roll. I was like, wow, that's some real rich people's stuff. Oh, the creme. Crem. I was impressed. Wow, but you

didn't sell. Hell no. All he did for me is make me realize I had something. He said, of a bitch. I must have something here. You're so powerful. How long would you wait to hook up with a guy you liked when you were dating? I would hook up the minute he said I do. Because you would propose to him that week.

I proposed to both husbands before I slept with him. Definitely. Why did you think... Because you give away the goods. No, maybe I'm an old-fashioned girl. You give away the goods. You have less power. You gave away your monkey hook. But you're not that old-fashioned because you're the woman proposing to men. Well, that's not old-fashioned, I know.

But at least I play my cards right on that proposal. Imagine if I had been sleeping with him for three months or even three weeks. And then I said, you want to marry me? Why? I got the goods, right? No, no, I held back. Do you think more women should propose? Why not propose?

You see what you want? You ask him to marry you. Yeah. I don't know what the big deal is. Elidea your mother and say he proposed to me. He proposed. It's a weird power thing where you have to be like, when is he going to ask me? Oh, that would really suit your personality.

It's just like you to be a shrinking violet. You know, the men I proposed to didn't think badly of me. I think they were turned on. Guys like it both ways in bed, and this is a version of it, you know? Yeah. It's time to play your final game, The Seven Deadly Sin. What a clever little device you have thought of. Seven Deadly Sins.

What are you greedy about? I'm not really greedy. I can't even identify with the word. I'm too generous. It gets me in trouble. You know, I have five beautiful homes I loan out every night of the week to every friend and family member I have. They all vacation all year round. It got so bad two Christmases ago that I loaned out the house and realized I had no place to go. So I had to get Bill and Kate and take the to Marriott, 43rd Street. Does Bill ever say Barbara? He was upset. He said, I don't want to go anywhere. This is our house. I said, not this week. It isn't. No, I'm not. I'm overly generous. That's more of the issue. Sorry to disappoint you on your first question. Oh, no. No, that's not disappointing at all. It's actually fascinating as someone with so much wealth monetarily. How do you navigate being the breadwinner in your relationship?

Well, when I met my husband Bill, he owned a brokerage firm in New Jersey. And we were earning exactly the same amount of money, which wasn't all that much. We both had like 20 agents at the time. And I'll tell you, one look at his shop and how. he operated, I knew I was going to out-make him a lot. Because he was disorganized. I was hyper-focused. Yes. He came from a rich family, had a silver spoon in his mouth. He didn't have the motivation. He was an A-student. He succeeded everything he did. I had succeeded at nothing. So I measured it up and I signed up for that gig. Because I knew I'd be the provider. And of course, the minute I gave birth to my son at 48, Bill said, I'm not working anymore. I'm going to just be a dad full-time. And that's what he became. Did I like it? No. Women don't like it. It's not so much you out-earn your men, but women don't like it if they're working their ass off and their husband's at home. And that was an issue for a marriage for a lot of years, but I got around it. And he was a phenomenal father, and I realized that was enough. Were you afraid that he was going to leave you for someone less successful? Never. Because the one thing Bill had and has is he's totally secure. He's a big man on campus. He used to

to give he had my business he's proud of you for him and he put his title wife on it and handed out he's very comfortable you know and that's what that first guy didn't have the first guy was shaking all the time yes guy but i couldn't take him anywhere it's like having the wrong to no never mind it's like having the wrong dog to walk which is not what i saw no that is very on brand i told i always say i joke because my husband's older yes he's 47 i'm 31 and he's had a successful career and he's sexy zaddy yes he's very secure in himself and gives me great advice but also is proud of me and i say it's like getting an older dog like he oh you say that you don't have to train him maybe don't say it anymore but sometimes these puppies they're cute but they're peeing everywhere and they're always trying

to hump you a solid man is hard to find and a good man and a kind man if you could cover those three you said that is really wise words out here because a lot of women we want to be successful and then we know, factor in how it affects how men our relationships are with them. The right guy. Most important decision. I didn't do it right at first twice. I did it right the third. But you're really good at failing and then moving the hell on. Oh, yeah. When it's over, it's over with me. That day. What's your, what's your astrological sign? Pisces. We're either drunks or we're very successful one way or the other. What are you? I'm a Leo. Leo? Oh my gosh. My first boyfriend was a Leo. He was sexy. You must

be great in bed. We were just saying, Leo Mendo, they can be very, you know, show-boaty, yes. Yeah, they like attention. Yes, I love attention. Don't forget their birthday. Forget it.

Stasi Schroeder. Oh, my gosh. Who were you envious of? You know, I guess I'm a little envious of all the young TikTokers who make a billion dollars by the time they're 16, and then it makes me reflect that I was 40

before I made a million dollars. So I'm envious. But do you also think about how like when you get that kind of success so early on how like you don't have the chase which was so exciting and then you're kind of had the chase but it's a short chase short and then you're kind of comparing yourself to that first year of how do you keep it up yeah yeah that's what i tell myself when i see okay maybe i'll be 10 year olds but i still don't like it when i hear how many millions they make so easy it is it is wild but it's created this landscape of so many more cool

entrepreneurs. Definitely. It's a level of the playing field. You don't have to rely on Hollywood. You could rely on yourself to build your image. It's been a great thing. Yes. A great thing for everybody. Yeah, I, you know, I've done some stuff with TV, but TikTok has been what's helped me to have my stand-up be seen. Absolutely. Imagine if you didn't have TikTok. Because talk about an old boys club. You betcha. Stand-up, I'm not getting picked for things. Oh, definitely. But now all the girls, because of the algorithm, funny women are finding me. And just laughing together because women are going to stand-up clubs just alone of course but it's almost an old male you're watching yeah so i'm excited to see how the internet is helping female comedians

get exposure and you're having a rich grandfather yeah he really really is tic-tok is my rich grandpa rely on it yeah what are you gluttonous about so what do you over-indulge in oh bacon i can eat a pound of bacon with only one egg one egg is fine i don't really like two eggs but give me a whole I'm not a bacon. Do you go to Peter Lugers ever? Never did. I just make my bacon at home. Why, do they have good bacon? They have like a slab of bacon. They do. It's one serving. It's as many as you want, Barbara. Wow, I'm going to... You should go to Peter Lugers with Bill. Sometimes people say, where do you want to eat? I go wherever you want. I'm going to say Peter Lugers. Okay, thank you. Nobody responded, by the way. I know. They were like, okay, crazy. What do you, um... When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger?

Oh, wrath, that's a hard one. I guess I was really angry at my husband Bill. I found out, this will be surprising, but it's true, when I found out he wasn't having an affair. Because I went to a psychic, at a party psychic, and she said, your husband's having an affair, described the woman who sounded a lot like the woman he dated before me. She's in New Jersey. He's spending money on this. He's always driving New Jersey when you're at work. It was so clear that I wanted to kill him. So I hired it. Of course, an FBI agent for the FBI for a week, and he followed him around, followed him around, two pictures, sent me the pictures.

You know, they said not little pictures. They print out these big black and white size like you see in the old movies, I swear to God. It's hanging all over your bedroom. There's like red lines and stuff. I spent a week hating my husband. I felt terrible, but he deserved it for sure. And then the guy came back to me, and he said, you know what? He's having an affair with Circus City on Roof Ford, New Jersey.

He's not like an alcoholic, but he's addicted to. buying, what is it, electronic stuff. He puts in the trunk of his car. He has office, I went down, was loaded with it in closets. He was addicted to electronics, but was I angry with him. An affair would have been, I guess, more normal. You're like, I prefer it was with a vagina. I think I would.

I would just say cut it out. You're like, now I just know that you're a nerd who's financially irresponsible. Yeah, I took his credit cards away. It's straightened them out. Six months with no credit cards. And then he was fine. He was cured. He just had to be caught. That's all he did. He had to be caught. The psychic sense, there was some infidelity, but she got it.

How did she come up with a blonde woman? She described the woman he was to state. She must have been getting cross signals. She must have. She was talented, no doubt. Yes. She got something, but it got a little. Very dangerous to. That is. I haven't gone to a psychic sense. Forget that. Barbara, that's a really great story. You are so freaking good at podcasts. Okay. When was the last time you were sloth? Lazy. I'm not. doing anything today? Oh, gosh. Again, I have to say I'm not. I mean, if I have less than 50 things, maybe that's exaggerate. 30 things on my to-do list. If I don't have 30 things I have to do with

the deadline, I call the shrink because I'm nuts. So I'm not a sloth. I was about to say, you don't like being stuck alone with your own thoughts. You know what? I went to shrink for the first time probably three, four years ago, which was embarrassing for me. I have to admit, I figured I'm a happy person, I'm self-reliant, people rely on me, why do I need the help of someone and I'm not a nut job? I had that association. I'm not needy. I'm not a good job. You're a loony. All the traits that you need a shrink for. But I'll tell you, it was one of the best things I ever did. Because you know what? She really put me well in touch with myself more, not in business, That's a motor that runs, I know how to do that.

But in my interpersonal relationships, not that I had a bad one, but it made a real difference in how in touch I was, how plugged in I was. And how much of a friend I could be in a, without giving them my beach houses. Or understanding the why you had done things in the past. Yeah, and I was afraid to go down the why's like, wise, because they're deep, you know. However, I feel more whole somehow. I can't even describe it. Somebody said, what did you get out of?

I really couldn't describe except that I feel better about myself. Well, I like to say that the way you work out your body all the time, it's essential to have a professional help you understand your mind a little. Of course. I mean, just to clear, clarified confusion. You know, you go to your friends and they always give you what you should do. You go to a shrink, a bad one, they always say, let me listen to you. But a good one tells you what to do.

My shrink lady tells me what to do. I could agree or disagree, but she's right up front. I love that. I love that too. Because I'll talk all day and I don't need to pay you $300 for me to talk to myself all day. But you want to change. You want to get to the point. You want to get at the meat of it.

That's what I am. I mean, I get my money's worth out of an hour. I get like four hours worth out of an hour. Like, what do you mean? You run to the point. What do you mean? Are you bad at vacationing? No, I'm not.

I'm very good at it because I work so hard. And when I get on a vacation, I know it's my time to just pull. You detach. Very much so. Good. except for the posing for the selfies, that's the hard part. You can't ever really get away again, back to that again. Yeah, yeah.

And it's funny because you are clearly the most, like, giving, loving friend you want to make people happy. But it's not human for so many people who are strangers to want something from you. Yeah, but I'm very sociable. I like people a lot. Yeah, that does help. When was the last time you let your ego get in the way of something or your pride? I was thinking about this. I came up with something when I knew you're going to, oh, I know what I came up.

with because I really had a hard time. So I usually blast through my ego, my insecurity, to get over it. You know, it's easier than worrying about a lot. It was when I hesitated to sue Donald Trump was a dozen years ago. I hesitated stupidly. He owed me $3 million. He was not going to pay me for a commission. And I wondered why I hesitated, but I didn't think it was appropriate. I knew him in business. He had been a friend in business. And I thought, nice girls don't sue. It was more like a man thing. you know. However, in the end, I hired a killer attorney, sued him I won $3 million in federal court. And I felt pretty nice about myself. I have to admit when I got over that whole thing. But I did hesitate.

Because this isn't chump change. Three million dollars is a lot of money. It's a lot of money. But I figured there was some peaceable way to work it out. Yeah. And I tried this, this, this guilty conscience, what I've been to you, helped you with this, you wouldn't have to, all that stuff. Then I realized it wasn't going anywhere. I guess I finally got angry. Yeah. I think I got, I don't think I admit it then, but I think I got angry, but I got the meanest damn attorney in New York.

Yeah. I interviewed like five attorneys to find that. But you knew if you did that, it would hurt a business relationship potentially. It was nothing left because, you know, he's an interesting man that he ends business relationships when he owes your money. That's his MO. So that's the way it goes with him. I knew that. I had seen that happen a million times.

Yeah. Business wasn't ever going to happen again. Yeah. But I still felt poorly spirited and my husband. Is it really suing? Isn't that weird? Well, it's what you said. Women are not, women are trained to be caretakers.

Yeah, we're trying to be caretakers. I'll make it okay for you. You're going through a hard time. I'll help you. Not saying, you're actually inconveniencing me. Yeah. And now I'm going to fuck you because you right fucked me. Yeah.

Well, that would be back to your vengeance. Again, now you're sounding like you have. Now I'm Sicilian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I came across a little different that time. Okay, okay, this is a fun one. When was the last time you? You lusted over someone.

So, like, we obviously love Bill. But who's your, like, young celebrity crush? Well, he's not so young. When I saw Top Gun with Tom Cruise, I don't know if you saw it, but the scene, it stays with me. I keep thinking about it, which isn't a good sign on my age. But his chest, when he took off his shirt and played football with the young guys. Tom Cruise.

Oh, he looked better than all the young guys. What a, what a chest. I dreamt about him for probably three weeks. But then I realized he's too short. for me anyway, so I'm not interested in that guy. Also, you'd have to join Scientology. Oh, God. Weird shit there, right?

Woo. I'd love to be in on one of those meetings just to listen, wouldn't you? Whatever you do to cope. I mean, I love watching the documentaries about all that stuff. I don't see a documentary. Is there one on that? There's a lot of Scientology documentaries. But, you know, people will, when they are lost for a cause, they like to attach to something bigger.

How could Tom Cruise have been lost? He's got to be a cocky guy. But fame gets you confused. Yes. Okay, maybe. Look at us psychoanalizing Tom Cruise. Final, final question. Yeah.

What do you do to cope with your hell when you're going through it, when you're in your darkest times? How do you get yourself out? Well, it's going to sound trite. Okay. But my hell, there's only one hell. I don't have those dark times, but the times where I can't cope and everything, Everything's like I feel unbalanced. Oh, where do I go?

Where do I go? It's because I'm disorganized. I hate to admit it. Doesn't that sound trite? But if I have a messy office, a messy desk, a messy home, anything messy, I don't function. I start getting insecure and think things aren't going to work out in my life. It's a weird reaction.

I don't know where that comes from. Well, sometimes they say like a messy house means like a messy mind. I believe that. And it really correlates. I have to have everything in order. I'm one of those. In fact, my birthday was only last month I gave the office. the day off for my birthday because I wanted to go in and clean the closets and that's what I did

they're meticulous I have files labels everything's perfect at the office now but that's my idea of heaven on earth you know but without it I it's just I go to a dark place I start I'm negative about everything yeah do you deal with anxiety at all I should cover that with my shrink I never raised it yeah write that down yeah do you don't have to I'll remember you didn't grow up with a generation with anxiety, what they call anxiety. Is that true? I feel like the word wasn't used when you were growing up. I wasn't aware of it. Yeah. Do you cope with anxiety at all today? I'm much more anxious than I used to be, and I blame social media for it. I'm not just talking about being on social media. I believe it's robbed us all of inner peace. I think, I mean,

can we do without it? Of course not. Did it bring wonderful things we were talking about earlier? Of course it has. But what it robs you of is your inner peace. There's always static, static. I almost feel at times I'm ADD. I'm anything but ADD. I'm the most focused individual I've ever met. But at times I really think, do I have ADHD?

Because I can't keep a thought I jump. That robs peacefulness. Don't you think so? I, a thousand percent agree with you. What do you do about? You can't do anything. This is the future. This is the way it is to.

I've had to make very conscious, I don't read comments. Good idea. Because we're not meant to know what so many people are taught. I don't want to be in the car of people talking about me after a show. And it's not. It would be prudent for you to hear feedback on whether you're doing well or doing a good job or resonating. And I'm fine with a little bit, but I don't need thousands of people talking. And even, not even if it's about me.

You're just hearing people's thoughts all the time is just, it's so clouding. And I like to get some. base with it, but am I addicted to my phone? Yes. Yeah, isn't it? It's amazing. Ever look up how many hours you've been on your phone? In which platforms? It's scary. But how about the teenagers they're paying the price? That's the toughest part. Well, my mom was a middle school teacher and she said the anxiety's been spiking of kids who were like, I can't come to school. I have too much anxiety because they have, they know so much more going on. And then there's all these fights going on virtually. It's not just, I'm going to beat you up. I'm not going to. I'm not going to

dropped at a friend's group that's happened to my daughter who's 17 she says I don't know who to ask I feel back then you get accident is it on purpose you get push into a locker back then nowadays it's this online cyber bullying that is hard for teachers to keep accountable and know what's going on measuring up to see all the success you're measuring yes yes and then also a girl who's 17 seeing other girls who are starting to get Botox at like 18 and that kind of stuff it's women I mean, that's why having you on it, I feel like, is so important because you're such an inspiration for someone who is themselves, who, you know, wants to be happy and wants to have success. But you're truly an inspiration for women. I feel like sometimes we get clouded by edited photos of people online.

I can brush all my photos. I'm not messing with that. I even say to people, ask me for television your money, I brush you before you send it out. Put a Paris filter at least. Well, I'm using their phones. But you also, you look incredible. Well, that's because I may have brushed your death. Sometimes they eliminate my nose they do is such a big joke.

Like, don't you want to put a nose back in there? You're like, I do have two ears, but that's fine. You also iconically have this short haircut. Yes, so easy. But you even said a husband or a boyfriend left you for a woman with longer hair. Why have you never grown your hair longer? Well, I watched it on the streets of Manhattan when I was growing my business. Longer the hair, I don't know if you've ever heard this.

Longer the hair, the longer the stair. And it's definitely true. you could actually do it on your watch. Long, long hair that's a six-second stare. Okay, why do I do it because I'm lazy. I like, no, honestly, I just like to get up and get going, I'll blow dry my hair, and I'll put it on me. I would just go out the door.

It's not worth it to me. I love that so much. Do you like my hair? I love it. It fits my face, right? You look amazing, and there's a real confidence in a woman who has short hair. If I had your cheekbones and jawline, I mean, who knows, maybe I will soon. Well, you could have this, this, this,

if you go to the right guy. Text me your person, okay? Oh, you really want me? You're not ready yet. I'm just kidding. But I know you know the right people in every aspect of life. I always come to me on the surgeon part, please. My new bestie, Barbara Corcoran, thank you so much for coming. Where can people follow you? Where can people watch you? Give me all the tea. Well, the best place to watch me is on TikTok and Instagram because I'm most outrageous.

But I try to be helpful on it too. I try to sandwich in good help. Yes, yes. And you can go to my podcast, business unusual with Barbara Corker. Yes, listen to her pod, follow her on social media, and watch reruns of Shark Tank all the freaking time. Don't do that. You should be going out more.

Don't. Don't. Go and start your own business, bitch. You betcha. Thank you guys for coming. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Thank you.