Berner Phone - Berner Phone #22: The Most Powerful Power Moves

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

This week the dialers are all about sex, money, and power.  Same day local delivery or Free Fast delivery nationwide at Squeezed.com with code BERN. Hungryroot.com/berner to get 40% off your first delivery.

Hi, it's Hannah Burner. And Des Bishop. Thanks for calling the burner phone. If you leave a message after the tone, we may have to make it into a podcast. Started? It started. Oh, my God. The new year has begun.

The new year has starteth. Happy New Year dialers. Happy New Year to the Dialers. This last week is so annoying. 2024 Because this last week It's like Are we working

Are we resting Are we doing the work That we couldn't do Because we were working too hard And then getting mad at ourselves For working Are we sleeping? Are we partying?

What were we supposed to do? I don't know And I just forgot what I did all week Well you were supposed to party and relax And just sort of spend time with family But you ended up Wanting to get back to work Immediately

Well we have a little secret project We're working on with Giggly Squad can I can I point out to the to the dialers that Hannah was not really aware that January 1st is a public holiday She had a ferocious frustration that nobody was doing anything on January 1st Well I googled is it a public holiday and something said like some people and some people don't And then I was like no one was fucking emailing me and it was like 2 p.m. And I was like is everyone lazy today or what? Like you don't have to pay the meter. I mean that's always a sign that it's a real public holiday in New York. So anyway, the problem is like I never know what day it is because my job is

so weird if you want to call it a job. So anyway, we're back in action. Now we're properly back in action. Chris is back after a few days away. Hello, hello. And we got very inspired by the last episode about someone mentioning power moves. And our ears perked up because, look, we love power. This one thing we love is power. And we definitely love a good prompt. I actually know a power move, but I'm really bad at it. And what's that? To not speak. Oh, right.

Like, I heard in a negotiation, the first person who speaks loses. And the second I heard that I was like, holy shit, I've lost every conversation I've ever had. Yeah, but you're confusing a conversation in a negotiation. But, like, negotiation too, or like when you're trying to figure something out, I'm the first, the second there's like a little air, I'd be like, oh,

don't worry about it. It's fine. I'm like, and also, I'm people pleased there. So, like, it just doesn't work where even if someone asks you, a question just like waiting a couple seconds before you answer is like mysterious and strong and like I would love to be that strong

quiet person in the corner of the room and I never will be but it's powerful. There's a huge contradiction in what you've just said which is if you were that person you wouldn't be the person in front of the camera most likely be behind the camera or behind the person that's behind the camera negotiating their

deals. That's why I'm not allowed to negotiate deals I'm not involved with business. I'm strictly A Loud a Clown. So it says that a power move is any action that alters the social power dynamics. Okay? Power moves intend to be concentrated displays of power. They can be intellectual power moves, quips, well-placed jokes or perfect rebuttals that display mental superiority, or at least wins the debate. Negotiation power moves, which you were just talking about. Raw muscle power moves, displays of power to show that if worse gets to worse, you win the fight or war.

And other words, basically, I'll kick your fucking ass. That was very queens coded. Yeah, status power moves, displays of higher rank within a hierarchical structure, a social group, or generally within society. Oh, like in a cult, how, like, the head person wears, like, a red, you know, drapery over their outfit and everyone else wears yellow. Yeah, or, like, within a corporation or within a group of people, people know who's more important. So they sort of show. Someone's wearing a prodded jacket. They show deference.

yes that people show deference and the final one is social power moves anything that displays higher confidence higher self-esteem higher social skills

and mastery of social power dynamics a lot of women talk about like in the board room ways to appear more confident and they have like

power poses which is like standing up and putting both their hands on your hips which seems a little like power rangersy but I also

heard about like when two people are talking you tend to like copy the behavior like if someone's leaning in the other person leans in if someone's leaning back they lean back if someone has their arms folded you fold and maybe the person who is copying the other person's um poses is the less powerful one interesting because that's uh in nLP neurolinguistic programming they call that mirroring tony robins talks about that however he talks about it in the sense of it's a strong negotiating tactic because you actually make the person you

mirroring more comfortable you make them feel like you're in symbiosis which gives you a negotiating advantage now this is the thing if you could just read a book and be like the ultimate most powerful best at negotiating person based on all these tricks like i feel like everyone would do it i feel like you could do all these move and it's and it still fucks up well actually i think a lot of power moves come from the insecure actually i feel that often the the the the feeling of a necessity of a power move actually comes from a place of insecurity in yourself. Not always, though, because particularly because we had a lot of women that messaged in talking about trying to change dynamics where men were probably trying to express their, maybe their physical dominance or certainly their perceived

hierarchical dominance based on the patriarchy or traditional values. So that came in quite a bit, people trying to sort of snap that. And I do think if you are insecure and you know of some of these power moves, they could give you a sense of like, I'm going to get in control because it gives you a little bit of guidance that that little power move might make you overall feel more confident in the experience. Yeah. We didn't get a lot of physical stuff. We didn't, which I expected to get a few of them other than, well, they'll come up so I

don't even need to say. Someone said like on Shark Tank, Kevin O'Leary like puts his hands in like a triangle and it's like a very powerful thing. apparently. But, like, also, like, when you're on TV, like, you have to know what to do your hands. Yeah. So he probably, he probably had like some nervous and coach that was like, listen, if you don't know what to do at your hands, just put them in a triangle. And then people were like, look, it's the Illuminati. It's the triangle of the Illuminati. Let's see the power from the dialer. Hi, Hannah. Hi, hi, Des. So my power move is not appropriate for the workplace,

but in most other contexts, you're good to go. And that is just cry. You are, particularly a hot young woman, just cry. It has gotten me out of tickets. It has gotten me on to planes that is not supposed to be on. Okay? So I'm just telling you, like, put that sensitivity to work and make it work for you because I'm a little sensitive girly and I cry in many situations anyway. So I kind of just, you know, use it to my advantage.

and people really like they want to make you feel better so yep that's the car move again not for the workplace bye it's so funny she said the plane thing because the one place I cry the most is the airport and it's never worked for you I thought of that they're just like no I have cried once where they were I was like I missed a flight and it wasn't my fault because of the connection and I had to go to Connecticut which was four hours and it was going to be like a 30 minute flight and I was like so I've Uber now to get there and I have a show in like five hours and I cried and then they were like let's talk to our manager because sometimes we'll offer a coupon if it was our fault and I just was like couldn't stop crying and they gave it to me and I'm like okay once you got a cube you got a you got a

coupon um yeah this was so funny this was made my favorite I put it that's why I put it first it's funny because I just saw a Mateo lane clip on Instagram where he talks about this woman who has an Italian mom I know Italian mother-in-law that she doesn't know how to deal with and he says like she's no she says yeah any advice on how to deal with the italian mother-in he goes break up with him but then he's like you're italian too you got to like step it up and like fight with her and she goes when i call her out and fight with her she cries and he goes cry back it is true though the crying it's way do you go with the crying i do have to say in a relationship once the cry starts it takes the argument in a whole different direction yeah Dylan more

And a great Irish comedian has a bit about, you know, when, like, when they, when your wife starts to cry. And he goes, I just want to say for the record that crying does not prove that you have a greater capacity to feel. It shows that you have a greater capacity to cry, which is very important. Very important to know. But like, if you realize you're losing an argument, cry. Yeah.

Yesterday, I just started crying about something randomly. And you were like, I don't understand why you're crying about this. Oh, yeah. But that was not like in an art, that was like, we were talking about, I was, we're talking about like stuff related to my career and like the most, we're not going to get into the details of it. But it was like, like, it was all very positive. But somehow you perceived it as like a very difficult moment for me. You know? And I imagine it.

And I start crying for you. And you were like, why are you upset about this? This is a good conversation. Yeah. But I mean, it was, it was, it was a odd place to cry. But you just got in your period. admitted that that may have had something to do with it. Yeah.

Yeah. But that wasn't like a... I think it's a power move, speaking of female hormones, to like do something really cunty and then just say like, sorry, I'm PMSing. That's a good... Yeah. And then he can't say shit. Well, more often than not, he's probably going to be relieved.

I don't identify as what I just said. That is coming from a monster within me that's going to be around for a couple more days. And at first I was very anti-PMS. I'm like, stop saying that women's PMS. But we have to normalize that, like, some weeks, we are short and things piss us off easier. And then some weeks, I'm a fucking superstar. Like, I'm, like, empathetic and listening and problem solving. Like, it's just, that's the flow of being a woman.

And that's why we have to sleep more. Yeah, I think the understanding of the hormonal cycle can help, can really help. Relationship. Yes, can help relationships. We honestly, like, you can, like, you can, like, fight. less during PMS when you're just aware that it's happening. But I do think it's a power move. You could say, like, the most fucked up thing.

And just be like, sorry, I'm PMS. Which is, yeah, which is fine. Go fight with my PMS. You're not fighting with me right now. I'm not even going to remember this in a week. I'm blackout right now. Well, we won't, I, I've always hesitant to speak too much on this topic because it's not a male's area of expertise.

Wouldn't you say, Chris? Yeah. So this is a time where the power move for men is to just stay silent, I think. I agree. Do you think that crying thing works for men? You know what? I think on the flip side of all this crying stuff, which doesn't get talked about enough, is that there's a lot of talk about men needing to be in touch with their emotions, but actually I still think there's a lot of shaming from both men and women when men actually cry. So when men actually cry, both sides of, but like a lot of people still have their own sort of internal judgments about emotional men.

Maybe because the stereotype that hormonally, it's so much easier for women to cry. So when a man cries easily, everyone just gets like a little uncomfy. I mean, it's okay. It's totally fine. I mean, the whole concept of toxic masculinity, it didn't come out of nowhere. It's been around like forever. So trying to... We're going to just have to do a social experiment.

Chris, next time you miss your flight and you're trying to get on it, cry and let us know what they do. I got it. So, yeah, it's a very good question, though, Chris. There is a, I guess, a natural, and I don't want me to stereotype, but I feel like men go to anger first, where women go to sadness first. Perhaps.

Men go to force and women go to sadness. Yeah, and perhaps when men go to sadness It makes people It makes people uncomfortable in a different way Than when a woman goes to sadness Perhaps in relation to Chris's question Perhaps But honestly, it's all just conjecture action

But I love when guys cry Like in movie theaters Like when you cry watching a TV show Oh yeah, but I'll drop a cry I love it I love crying in the appropriate crying settings But like when you're breaking up with a guy And he starts crying

You're just like this is not helping I had a bit from 2009 I had this bit from a show I did about how I cried when Barack Obama was elected and people say oh you cry like a girl I was like not I didn't cry like a girl I cried like a man you know I was like sometimes

when you cry at a sporting event people say oh I was crying like a girl it's like no you weren't crying like a girl because first of all girls don't cry at sporting events you're crying like a man I actually sports makes me cry I mean I've ever cried more than playing sports. No, you're playing.

Yeah. No, but I cry at like any kind of sports documentary. Like when someone hits a three at the winning, you know, buzzer, I'm like, has the dreams come true and their dad's proud on them? I mean, I've cried at 75% of winning major speeches. The Olympics, everyone's crying the whole time. I can't watch one. I could watch a person shooting archery.

I didn't know that it was a sport and I cry for them. You'll cry for them? I see, when anyone accomplishes like a dream, I think, I'm just like, Look at the bullsah. She killed something. But I do want to normalize men crying more. I just think there's a difference between, like, being a whiny, annoying. It's literally, you just literally went to the place I was trying to articulate.

When you've articulated it's so much better. You can cry, just don't be a little bitch about it. Yeah, don't be a little bitch about. Like, literally, that's like, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I have fucking sexy man tears. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cry at a fucking, like a macho time. Don't be crying at a fucking pussy time.

I just, we all know what Paige would say if she was here. Let's just say Paige is not on the barometer of modern masculinity. Let's put it that way. But anyway, before we get jammed up. I think it's a red flag if he cries too much, but it's a red flag if he never cries. Let's normalize us all crying a little bit. Let's just not put any judgments down on crying. unless you are crying on demand to use as a manipulation tactic in a negotiation.

But I think that her power move was, well, it was hilarious and it was perfect. I'm just imagining me being like, oh, I'm going out to dinner with my friends tonight. And then looking over and you're just like, ah, I'm like, what? I thought we were going to hang out tonight. I don't know how I would feel about that. Yeah, well, it wouldn't feel good because that would be very strange. I know. So, I mean, that's not going to happen.

I'm working on a new bit in my like shower sex routine where I'm like, I don't want to have sex in the shower. I want it to be for like where you just like can like bloat and like cry and like no one could tell you're crying. And I feel like more guys should cry in the shower because if you're in it for a while, your friend, your guy friends are like, what are you doing there for so long? And you're like, jerking off, duh. And like if more guys cried, less guys would shoot things. I mean, there's there's probably some science. there. I think there's some science. Well, that was my, I, I was going to say it before, but I didn't say it because, you know,

you could get jammed up on this topic. You know what I mean? But we were, I was saying to you that I think there's some humor in the fact that men criticize women for getting hormonal during PMS. Yeah. Right. But what people don't like to talk about is that men get hormonal too, but the male hormone is a lot more dangerous. Yeah. So when men get hormonal, they fucking kill people. so next time you complain about your fucking wife getting upset over a fucking bowl being left in the sink just think that your version of getting out of control is I'm not saying you're going to kill somebody but you fucking could that's why walls get punched that's why walls get punched yeah but that and that's why I think we but see then the problem is you get into testosterone control and then you're just into

a minefield yeah yeah into a big minefield but yeah the hormone stuff is fascinating and we're not scientists so we don't actually we don't know anything we just said and we're workshopping material we're working i think we're safe right i think we're safe yeah chris would you say we're safe no i don't say this is a safe space once it's out there in the ether the safe space no flag in the play no flag okay no flag on the play chris let's take another one hi hannah and des no notes love everything you're doing um bucket list is to see you sometime live would love for that to happen my power move when i used to be on the dating scene was that I would actually pay for the entire bill on the first date and this shouldn't be as taboo as it is but guys were usually pretty taken aback by this and

it worked like they would talk about it for months on end they were just really surprised by it and they would say typically girls are expecting them to pay so they just really liked that courtesy so yeah show them who's boss and uh pay for that first bill ladies Chris, why are you nodding? Marriage. That's marriage right there. That's beautiful. I've never even heard of that. Oh, really? That's awesome. It actually came in a couple of times.

Really? Yeah. And I thought it was very interesting because that is really, it's not just a paramour, but it's genuinely a social experiment. Mm. You know, and you really, I feel like with this, you could weed out a lot of men that are uncomfortable with any power dynamic shift.

Because some men will not be comfortable with that. yeah a couple so many things come to mind okay go ahead first if I'm paying

for the date normally it means I do not enjoy the date and I don't want him to feel for any reason like I owe him anything and I'll be like we're splitting the check

please let's split the check she didn't say split the check or let me pay for it true let me pay for it is more like you're going down on me tonight she's saying pay for it she's saying I'm paying

my thing is like If he can show the courtesy in the first couple dates, I'll spoil you for life, baby. I'll be your sugar mama. But, like, I just want to see in the beginning that he at least is willing, considering, you know, of the wage gap. I think that that's the normal consensus. What I like about what she's saying is,

this is her power move. This is her way of saying, just so you know, like, we're on an equal footing, and there's absolutely no reason for me to not pay. I would do it second date. I would have him do the first date and then second date. What would you do with first date? I paid.

It would all depend on like... I'm awkward. I don't know how I would deal with that. I could see being like a... No, you just wait for the guy to go to the bathroom. You pay... No, the trick there is to pay when he doesn't have a chance to go against you. This is the thing.

I feel like this girl is genius, but I do not... I feel like we're getting tricked. I feel like suddenly girls are like, oh, wait, if I pay... Then I got power. And the next thing you know, all the girls are playing for first dates. I feel like this is like... God forbid.

This is like a dad bod situation where suddenly we're like, we like, we like, we're like, we like, we like, we're just running around fat and everyone's, like, loving them. Like, I feel like this lets... I get it. I'm, I can't... I love you. I'm scared for what this can become. Yeah.

But at the end of the day, it's not... Because the guy's like, the last girl paid and you didn't pay. And then they're on the tape fucking these, I'm an elf. and I let my girl pay like these podcasts I mean at the end of the day this isn't a call to arms this is her power move

but like I could see a girl right now being like wow my dates have not been working maybe I should try this and then it starts catching on and then next thing you know we're out here doing our nails doing our hair getting ready putting ourselves in a place

where we could possibly be murdered or worse and then also paying the date I can't put my head around it and I am a feminist icon I understand and this is very well said, very well said. You asked me earlier, how would I feel if somebody paid? And it would all depend on how well the date went. Like if the date went really well, and I was like, wow,

this, you know, there's a connection here. And then I came back from the bedroom and she'd paid the bill. I probably go like, cool. Very, you know, like, I would find it interesting. I see that. I see that. But it's also like, if you do have a lot of money, you also don't want him to use you for money. I know. But like, here's the thing. The tradition is that the man pays. It comes from, obviously, it comes from thousands of years of, you know, and essentially her power move is, I'm going to break from tradition because I'm not, I'm not subscribing to the past.

Some people would argue it's a little pick-me girl energy to be like, I'm not like other girls. They make you pay and I'm going to pay because I'm not like other girls. I mean, but. That's a judgment. I know, that was judge, that was fucking judgy. That was judgy. But I'm also putting myself in her shoes Like if she were to do that

And then thinking of how guys feel like If I had this home meal And I just met this guy and he's kind of hot And I paid for all of it I'd be like, are you going down on me tonight? Like I would feel like he should By the way, I've never let somebody pay on the first date So I'm obviously, I'm not, I'm being a little hypocritical

But I've also never been in a situation where somebody tried. I've actually never, ever been, I've been in a situation people tried to split it. Yeah. And I wouldn't allow it. Or, oh, sorry, not that I wouldn't allow it, but I was just you know, I was just like, I'd rather just pay.

You know, I was like, listen, if we meet up again, you pay the next time, but there's no obligation. See, that's my thing. I like, I like to pay second or third date. We, doesn't I famously have a story? Have you ever told that story? Not recently. You could tell it. The second date

story? Yeah. Is it the second day? It was the second day. It was the second day. And it keeps being in denial about how much happened on the second day. The second day was wild. We did a lot of shit on the second day.

We were golfing. We did a lot. You tell it. But we stopped by a pizzeria. You said you were hungry, so he said, that's got a slice of pizza. So I like... At Tinino's Pizzeria in West Hampton. My funny child, Tinino's, my funny thing is I like to be like, oh, no, but I'll just

get like something really cheap, like a bagel and be like, I got you. Like, it's obviously not even, but it's funny. Like, I'll get coffee the next day. day or something. So it's pizza and I'm like, oh, like, I got this. Like, I got this for us. So it's like literally $4. I'm like, I got this. And I give the guy the credit card and he looks at me and I look at him and in front of Des, I go, he always makes me pay. And in that moment, it is kind of a power move where you're fucking with him and you get to see how comfortable he is with you kind of like keeping me on his toes. And Des. That was hilarious.

Des started laughing hysterically Because also it's like $4 And it went over really well And Des would like tell his friends about the story And like now we're in game I still tell that story I think I've told it on stage actually Yeah so that was

Honestly that worked I got a good little punchline for it And it's a funny way to just play with the dynamic So maybe that is my power move To pay and then pretend that he forces you to pay For a slice of pizza For a $2.50 slice of pizza But this girl, thank you

Thank you for... By the way, the guy laughed, too, because he knew that it was a joke. I mean, it's a good joke. Yeah, it's a funny joke. And I do think I do like paying a lot of the time because I don't like feeling indebted to anyone. I just don't want girls to start overthinking and being like,

oh, if I pay, will it make him like me more and I'll be different? Yeah, but I don't think that that's not what's going on here. You don't have to take on, you don't have to take on, like, all of... Girldom? Yeah, you don't have to take on all of girldom going on dates at this moment. It's just a simple power move. Trends like, trends spread like wirefire. Like one girl on TikTok is like, this works.

And then all the girls are like, we need to pay for their college. We need to pay for all men's college. I don't think that's going to happen. Chris, let's take another. Hello. Okay, here's my power move. It's very easy. Whenever you are being introduced to somebody that you don't get a good vibe from,

maybe they're a little too chummy with your man, or they just give off a bad vibe. What you can do is when they introduce themselves, just go, oh, that's my dog's name. And it just, I don't know, there's just something about it that gives you a little bit of power over them. Oh, my God, that is so fucking good. Holy, Mike drop.

I've done that, but not as a power move. I've just like, it's just come out, you know? Well, I also, I joke that I, like, can't take people seriously who have, like, names. That could be, like, Labradoodle names, like, Tucker and, like, all that stuff. Well, our current foster dog, well, Aiden is looking after our foster dog called Abby. I think it's so funny when people are like, oh, yeah, like, Abby, like, shot in the bed, and then I had to, like, you know, cleaner fucking butthole. Like, and it's funny when you don't know if they're talking about a human or not. That's a power move.

Also, especially if people around you know you're lying, that's hilarious. Like, you just say it in front and they know you're fucking with the person, especially if it's like, oh, Jennifer? Yeah, that's the name of, like, my guinea pig. The problem is if it turns out that you were wrong or that they're really nice, then later on you have to be like, you know, I actually made a real bad judgment about you and you're really nice, so actually my dog's name is Fido. Or I don't even have a dog. And then you'd be like, why would you do that?

It's like, it's my imaginary dog. I do have to say, speaking of girldom, the girlies aren't wrong, though. Like, you know when you get a vibe from someone. And Paige and I talk about it a lot how, like, sometimes you can tell. when someone is, like, a little too mushy with your guy, and the guy will, like, not notice at all. Like, he's like, yeah, they were nice. And you could tell that, like, the way, like, her voice changes,

the way she's touching her hair, like, the way she's caring about how you respond to things. Like, we're, like, we get, like, really aware of that kind of stuff. Guys know that, too, actually. There's been one or two, actually, with you. And I've been like, yo, this guy's trying to fuck you. And you're like, no, but, like, I was right. They're just my friends, babe.

We were recently talking about that dynamic And you said something really smart Which is like Sometimes it's easy to be like Oh yeah like girls can be more like more complex relationships Like you have really strong relationships But sometimes there could be drama and stuff And that's why sometimes girls would be like

I always get along better with guys And it's like yeah because the guys want to fuck you Nothing goes smoother than a conversation with a man that wants to fuck you That's right It's not going to be the same level of challenge. No. Because he's going to agree

with everything you say, he's going to find all your jokes funny. You can do nothing wrong. You can literally show up up eight hours late to a hang and he'll kiss your toe and be like, thank you so much for coming. Hot girls and rich men. You could punch him in the face.

Hot girls and rich men both have that dynamic. It's like, wow, I'm so funny. Are you? But also, it is, I like to be with someone that occasionally other people you could tell they want to fuck them.

I think that's just a nice little healthy jealousy. Yeah, it's just a hard balance. It's a hard balance to when it's like, oh, that's cute. I can clearly tell that they fancy my man to watch it, bitch. Yeah, and I think it's like them crossing the line where it's like, oh, because it's disrespectful. You don't have to like, don't touch my man's arm when you're laughing. Like, that's a little too much for me.

Yeah, I don't like, because that's like what you would do on a first date. Or like, I do feel like if you're, don't have like inside jokes with someone's man. Anyway, are we, do we cover that? Mm-hmm. Okay, the holidays are over, and I haven't had a vegetable in a very long time. I also haven't been drinking a lot of water because I think water is boring, and I don't like salads. But I do love a juice cleanse. My favorite juice company is called squeeze.com.

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All right. Let's go to the videotape. Hi, Hannah. Hi, guys. My name's Maria and I'm a teacher. And something I've done in nearly every interview I've been a part of is where it gets to that point in the interview when they ask you to ask them questions. Oh, I hate that part.

I freeze. Something I always try to ask is, is there anything about this interview or about me that you're still wondering about or anything that's giving a pause that I could clear up for you. Oh, that's such a question. I feel like that's such a power move because, A, they're usually not expecting a question like that. And B, it gives you an opportunity to clear up anything that might be keeping you from getting that job. And another power move I use in my job is, girl, ask for help. Like, it shows confidence weirdly enough when you know your limitations and you know when you need to ask for help and you're using your resources. And I just feel like it's a power move.

you know if somebody's asking you to do something you're like i don't have as much experience in that i would love to see that modeled would you mind coming in and showing me how to do that like ask for help that's the power move that's it dude this girl's a fucking genius life coach right she's have a fucking ted talk i've so many thoughts first of all i find the smartest people are the ones who ask the most questions and when someone asks you like a question about something you realize they actually like are no more than you thought they knew like when someone doesn't ask any questions, I sometimes assume, like, they don't even fucking know what's going on. And it is confident to be like, I'm showing you what I don't know because I actually,

like, know a lot. Yeah, or even just to say, sorry, I didn't understand what you were just saying. Yeah. I also think the first one that she said, what did she say? She said, I like, when they say, do you have any questions? I say, is there anything that I can sort of clarify about what we talked about or was there anything unclear that you want to follow up on with me? So I do think, I love, I like first dates, I like interviews, I love like the first kind of, I was telling Paige, how I was always like the new kid at school. So I love a first impression. I'm like pretty comfortable in it. But I'm so focused on that first impression that then when they ask if I have questions, I always fuck it up. And for some reason, the question that always comes in my head, I always want to be like, do you think an orange is a fruit or a color? And I shouldn't say that. Jesus. And it's like an intrusive thought that I'm like, ask him. What kind of response are you expecting? I just know that I shouldn't ask it.

And I'm like, ask some questions. It's so funny. But I do think what she did is a really good sales tactic. And it's honestly the best thing I ever learned from doing call calling sales was instead of trying to sell yourself to someone, ask them what they're looking for and then just tell them how you're going to do it. Because that person's sitting there obviously, and you can't read their mind, a problem they need solved.

So just ask them it. And when they tell you it, you solve it. And then they literally like A plus B, URC. Like they can't get around it. Because I wonder what people think is the right thing to ask. Because this is a very good advice. Because at the end of the day. They don't tell you a lot of good questions.

And they almost, when you say, oh, I don't have any questions. They almost look at you like, oh, like you failed. I mean, you know that I've never done like a traditional job interview? I've never done a traditional job interview in my life. Oh, my God. fascinating. I want to, like, put you in situations that you've never done. I mean, I've been in, I did do a full documentary about living on minimum wage and I worked four different jobs. I mean, I've been put in situations. Yeah, but they just gave you those

jobs. Yeah, I know, but I, you know, I haven't done, I haven't had to go for like a serious job interview. I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you. What do you think is... By the way, how many job interviews have you got on? A lot. How many? Just out of curiosity. Well, when I was first trying to get a job, I had probably like four, five, I don't know, like 10. Really? Wow. Cool. I mean, I've gone on job interviews like waiter jobs and stuff, though, but like... I've done like marketing. Right. So these are like career jobs.

Yeah, yeah. Like from 20 to 25, I did like a ton of interviews. What's the job interview question? What is your biggest weakness? Oh, I'm so obsessed with work that sometimes it affects my family life. Yeah, but that's like, that's the stereotypical... I'm so obsessed with work. I think my wife wants a divorce. You get too personal with it.

And that means that she's going to want half my stuff, which means I'm going to have to work three times as hard here to just make as much money as possible for me and for the company. I've never had a situation where I was nervous about a job interview, but obviously I have gone on auditions. I've been in plenty of nervous in the room situations. What I find is a lot of it is like if you vibe with them, that's great. But I do feel like we've given perhaps some of the job-seeking dial of some good

some good advice for the interview. For sure. That's good life advice, too. That girl's great, yeah. That was really good. We would like more dials from you. Yeah. You know what?

Sometimes I don't know if people have, like, have we used the same people numerous times? I don't even know. I know. Maybe we'll start recognizing them. Yeah. Well, that's Sarah. Like Sarah from Indianapolis. Give yourself a nickname.

Be like, hey, it's, you know, silly Sarah. Yeah, we're going to end up with the whack pack. Howard Stern used to have all these crazy people. Hey, it's Steve from Queens. Hi Hannah and Des. So my power move in all situations that bug me, most particularly arguments with my mother, I just go ahead and agree with them. So anytime anyone says anything that's going to get under my skin, I just say, yeah, you're right. I don't have to come up with an argument back. I don't have to say something that's going to win the argument. It just pisses them off even more because they think they're going to piss me off. And then I just agree. And they're left sitting there like, what fuck do I say. So anytime your partner just says something annoying or your mother just say, yeah, you're right, I guess. And that's it. And then they literally don't know what to say. So passive aggressive. And then they get even mad. And you're like, no, yeah, for sure.

I mean, this is good advice except for situations where you're trying to solve something. Yeah, something needs to be resolved. Actually, this reminds me of something I saw on TikTok, which said, like, when someone says something kind of rude to you in a social setting, the best thing to do is ask them to repeat it. Oh, that may actually be on the way. It was like a thing going around on TikTok. All right, because it came up, it came up a lot. I think one of them is in there, though.

If someone was like, yeah, Hannah, like maybe if you got a real job, and if I sat there and we're in front of a group, and I could tell they're being kind of a dick, and I just go very earnestly, sorry, what did you say? Then they have to go, maybe if you had a real job. And then you go, okay, like you don't really. Yeah, somebody messaged in to say that nine times out of ten, they'll rephrase it. They'll reword it or they'll take some of that. There are like multiple times in my life. I wish I did that instead of A, reacting or B, just like laughing it off to make them feel comfortable. I just had a funny thought about how, because I did that joke about would you go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby. But like people always said like, would you go back in time and do, you know, what would you do? Odds out, I'd say most people would go back in time. It's like, there was this time that somebody said this to me. And an hour later, I thought of a great way. I'd like to go back and have the talents to give the proper retort.

Oh, I have a whole list of things that I wish I said or did or didn't do. Didn't do, yeah. Or didn't do. But also at the end of the day, like, if you just like, as long as you're not too reactive and you're just yourself, like, fuck those little comments of what people said. But in relation to this, I do think this is actually, this is good advice in a situation where you are dealing with somebody's like, irrational aggression or like in other words like nothing's going to be solved by

actually having this argument it actually solves it by being like it doesn't add like you're not like I mean you are angering them but you're not like adding fuel to the fire yeah like I don't think it's passive aggressive if you're basically trying to diffuse the situation I think it is passive aggressive if you're trying to annoy them yeah like if you're like oh yeah totally yeah you're so right. I do think also... But it's good though that it gives you a chance to get out. If I'm trying to get to the bottom of something and someone starts being like, yeah, no, you're right, I actually, it might make me want to hear them out more.

Because then I'm like, okay, now we're not debating and you're just like giving up like I actually do want to come to like a solution in this. But it also gives you a chance to sort of get away temporarily without like storming off. Yeah. Because sometimes you just have to disconnect. Right? Sometimes it's just not going to be resolved in the energy of the moment. Especially if you're at a dinner or something and you don't want, you can't run off. So that's, you know, I think it's a good power move, but I think it can be abused. Yeah.

There's nuances for sure. For 100% for sure. And of course, like not sometimes power moves are unnecessary and you choose to use one, which could be perceived as aggression. But also being like super calm when someone is yelling at you or upset is like such a power move. or like speaking really quietly when they're yelling is a power move. Yes, 100%. Please, Chris. We'll take another one.

Hey, Hannah. Hey, Des. Love the podcast. So my power move is saying thank you when someone apologizes rather than saying, oh my gosh, it's totally fine. It's okay. Don't worry about it. Also came up a few times, by the way.

We late practice. Des, I'm so sorry that I was late today. Thank you. I mean, I don't know if that's the situation. No, I know. I know what she's saying, that like when they finally do apologize for something, you just say thanks. No, that's, it's awesome because here's the thing about an apology, right? You're basically, you're letting people know that you have guilt or, you know, you're letting people know that you're sorry for this thing. But more often than not, you want people to make you feel better. Yeah.

But it's not a requirement from them. And if someone says sorry, then you're supposed to say like, no. worries, which basically means you're fine, you're off the leash. Instead, you should say, thank you. Like, I take your apology and it doesn't negate what you did. Yeah. Because let's be honest, we forgive and we don't forget. Yeah.

Well, you know, but it also doesn't imply that there is no forgiveness. It's still, you're saying thank you, which implies forgiveness, but you're also like not letting them off the hook, which is fine. Which is fine. Yeah, like, it's not that you haven't forgiven them, but it's like, They don't immediately deserve that, like, you're good, we're all good, you're fine, type of thing. However, sometimes an apology when it comes from an argument, there's usually two sides. And if you say thank you, that could potentially leave the argument unresolved.

That's not all the time. I'm not saying it's always a 50-50, but a lot of times... Sometimes you're both in the wrong. Or you're both, yeah, 100%. Or there's three sides ever. story. It's like, I'm sorry. It's like, you know what? I'm sorry too. And that's a beautiful moment. But if someone says, I'm sorry, and I think I say I appreciate that. Thank you. I'd like say that. Thank you feels less abrupt than thank you. But I like it. I like it. It'll be

worth a shot. We say sorry a lot. I feel like we say sorry like 10 times a day to each other. Really? I say sorry a lot. I've never said sorry more in a relationship than with you. Well, because, you know, we've been together... We're married. Yeah, we're married. You got to make, you know, sacrifices. I promise you, I didn't grow up with a lot of sorry. I didn't grow up with a lot of sorries coming from the people that taught me how to live my life.

I will throw a sorry around like a fucking cupcake. Is that a saying? No. I throw sorries around. Because I'm like, I'm quick to see, like, you know what? Valid. Valid point. Sorry.

And maybe as women, we should. I don't say sorry so much, but it gets me out of a lot of situations. My mother, if my mother, like, she wouldn't admit that she was wrong, but, like, the situation would just get resolved. Yeah. But, like, you might bring it up a couple of days later, like, what about that thing? And she'd be like, you're still going on about that? Like, time has passed. That's over.

That's very light gaslighting to be like, you're fucking crazy. You're still talking about, you weirdo. Trust me. There was a lot of gas lighting in that. In our child, we didn't have the term for it. We didn't have the term for it. There was definitely a lot of guests letting you make us feel like we were the crazy ones. But anyway, come on, that was three days ago.

Hey, Hannah. Hey, Daddy does. Calling from Boston, Big Sand. Hannah, I saw you here last year. Please come and do a performance together. I would literally die. Oh, my God. My power move is not texting first.

I realized that I was always reaching out to people, checking in, making plans first. And I stopped doing that about a year and a half ago and watched my friends just drop off like little flies, realized I didn't need any of them, see him in my dating life. So, yeah, whether it be trying to find a man, trying to make friends, coworkers, whatever it may be, stop texting first. If they don't text you first, you don't need to talk to them. interesting it's very interesting i feel like there's a lot of variables to this i've definitely had friendships where i feel like i would text first because like we're both insecure about like if we want to be friends with each other so like there comes with a balance like you can't just be like oh like this person deserves to text me all the time um and over time you if you feel like

they're pulling back and you're putting in more effort i could see you decide and like i'm not going to text them unless they text me and same with guys like if you feel like he's like he's like Like, not that interested. It's like, okay, well, he'll hit me up if he's interested. Otherwise, I'm not going to force this. Yeah, there's certain dynamics where there comes a time where you have to stop, you know, being the instigator of conversation. For sure.

But I do think, like, I remember when we started dating, there was this nice feeling of, like, I never thought I'm going to wait for him to text me. Like, I would take pride in being like, I'm going to text him because I'm excited to text him and I were not keeping track because it hasn't, that's not the vibe I've been getting though. No, we didn't, that, that dynamic was never established. And I've been, I've been in those situations. And I've been in both where somebody's playing it cool,

that passes, which is just their way, you know. But I've also been in that situation where you end up like, I guess kind of in the ghost zone, but you're quite infatuated. So you lean in for a while. But eventually you have to stop. And 50% of the time, you never hear from them again, 50% of the time, they eventually go, oh, I better, I better step up.

I realize what my power move was with dating. Right. What was your power move? I'd call him. Like, if I just felt like talking, I'd call him. And if the vibes were there and, like, we love talking on the phone. I was like, I like, I'd like him. But if he was weird or, like, couldn't handle a phone call, I'd be like, I knew it wasn't

the right thing. But Katie and I, we had an episode about, I guess it was about, like, first dates or something. And a lot of people, or people were concerned about, you know, just like how bad it is when you're on a first date and they're horrible and you're just stuck, you know, having to talk to these people. And I said the way to weed out, the really bad ones, is to call them first before you meet up because you can tell a lot from a phone conversation. No, I was, I've like gotten infatuated with someone over text before and we texted for like a week And I was like, this is my man.

And like the second he walked in the bar, I was like, I've never been more turned off in my life. Like, I made everything up in my head from text messages. And if I had FaceTimed him once or called him once, I would have known. Yeah. Calling is a great way. Calling is a very good weeding out exercise. So then you like just slowly ghost them after if you're not vibing.

Because I feel like it's weird to be like, let's have a call. And if it goes well, you get a date with me. And if it doesn't, I hang up on you. No, I just go like, hey, you want to chat, you know? Yeah. And then you just talk. It's a huge, like, it's a great way to get, you know, you're not going to learn everything. Yeah.

But you're certainly going to learn if you have any connection at all. Yeah, because you can know when the first five seconds, you're like, fuck, we just ordered appetizers. This is going to go long. Fucking torture. This is like so long. My other advice was, first date, particularly on like a, like a swipe where you have limited information, first date is always coffee in the afternoon or immediately after work. Like you can't go out of your way for something. Can't do dinner, man, because dinner, you're stuck.

But I do love playing games. I do admit, in terms of the tech stuff, it's like if you're going to fucking spend three hours to respond to me, I'm not fucking responding in a minute. That's just not the way we're playing, okay? And whatever pain you caused me, I will cause that to you. And that's how I live my life for a long time. Yeah, there's nothing like that adversarial, the adversarial development of a relationship. relationship. It's like, oh, you fucking 90 seconded me, motherfucker? Well, check this out. Here's 120, bitch. I never really considered this a power move, especially because I'm someone that

hates working so much. But in job interviews and in situations where I'm speaking to people who have authority over me, I for some reason give dead ass perfect eye contact. And I also shake hands like a man. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. It's solid, it's sturdy. It has gotten me hired at multiple customer service jobs. So if you're ever looking to get a dumb job where you have to talk to people all day, stare at your boss and shake his hand. And you will get hired immediately. Thank you.

Love you, guys. Love you, babe. This is fascinating. Because the thing with eye contact is you could look a little creepy if you do it wrong. Yeah. If your eyes are too wide or you're like too focused. on making eye contact or sometimes you ever like focus on someone's eyes too much that you're like too aware that you're staring at them yeah somebody else message in and said i what i do in a

situation where i feel like they're trying to dominate me is i i look in between their eyes and a little higher so they they know that i'm staring at them but there's something not quite right and it confuses them oh my that's a fucking power move that's a power move there's also this move that people talk about on ticot and i actually don't know if i'm getting it right but it's like to make a guy fall in love with you. Then when he's talking to you, you look at one eye, the other eye, down to his mouth, back up, down to his mouth, and up, and you do a triangle with your eyes, which, like, could look like you're, you're having a stroke. Well, no, but it also just looks like you're getting horny. It kind of gives the impression of, like, you're suggesting

like, oh, there's your lips. I'm interested in your lips. I think my friends have told me that I, like, stare at their lips sometimes, but sometimes because, like, what they're talking, so I look at their mouth. Right. And they'll, like, why you're saying? A lot of people message, a lot of people messaged in with eye contact and also with handshaking. So this is my thing with handshake. First of all, do men shake hard? Like, is that a thing that you're learned? You're literally taught that as a kid, that like a firm handshake is a sign that

you're a trustworthy man and that a weak handshake, a weak handshake shows that you're hiding something or that you're untrust with. See, when someone squeezes my hand when I shake their hand, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, I think it's so weird. No one, I obviously don't want to have like a limp fish handshake. But I also, I just kind of have like a nice handshake. Yeah, moderate firmness. Yeah, because when someone squeezes, I'm like, are you trying to, do you need help?

Like, what's going on? Also, I have very clammy hands. My hands are always clammy. So I really try to avoid handshakes at all time. I'll do a hug. I say, get in here, boss. Get in here my future boss. Yeah, handshakes now.

I mean, handshakes, there's been a lot of evolution around handshakes as a result of COVID. There's, you know, the pound. But yet, well, let me feel your handshake. Let me feel. Well, when you think about it, It's awkward. Let's do a natural handshy. Hi. Hi, my name is Des. Nice to meet you. Moderate firmness. And I go like a little lighter. You want a little lighter, yeah.

Yeah, but it's because I like when you dominate me. But I don't, I don't, I'm not, when I shake a woman's hand, I'm not trying to like squeeze the shit out of their hand. So if I was a man, how would you shake it? Well, I'm not, I don't want to hurt you. Do you want to shake Chris's hand? I don't know. There's just way more handshaking than necessary on an audio, in an audio format. I do think that's interesting. I definitely, but the thing is I don't want to, like, make them uncomfortable.

But I guess that's part of... But that's the idea. Yeah. Because she's not saying shake everyone's hand like that. She's talking about people who are in a position of authority that perhaps, you know, she wants to try to level the playing field. But, yeah, I, honestly, I left this in just because, like, so many people messaged in about eye contact and about handshaking.

Do people, like, is weak handshakes? Like, do you know men that have weak handshakes? Honestly, I don't care about firm handshakes, but. A weak handshake is weird to me. I have to be honest, when somebody shakes my hand, like, with a very limp hand, I go, like, what's going on? Like, you don't have the energy to put an effort into this handshake? Not with a woman, but, like, with a man, if a man gives me, like, like, a wet fish handshake, I kind of, I just think there's something strange. Also, I think you should make eye contact when you shake somebody's hand.

Yeah, it's like taking a shot. Right. Yeah. You know what I also think is weird when someone shakes your hand. and then they take their middle finger and they, like, tickle you. That, that's just dumb. I was thinking to that a second ago.

That's weird for me. That is, that is, well, that's disgusting. It's off-putting. It's like ticklish and it's, honestly, it's, it's, it's a salt. It's a salt. For sure. You feel violated for sure. At best, it's harassment.

Yeah. You know, it's not ideal. Chris, let's take one or two more before we get, before we go. Hey, Hannah does. my power move is that I'm 5'1 and every time I give someone a hug I always go for the over-the-shoulder hug so that for some hugging has to bend down to give me a hug but I still feel like I'm dominating them because I got the over-the-shoulder hug I don't know if that counts as a power move but that's mine love you guys so like a toddler you're like nah ma-ma and you put

your hands up and you know and the person has to lean down the reason why I think this is so funny is because whatever, I'm six for three, and when you're taking selfies with people, sometimes shorter men will go for my shoulder. Because the natural thing would be you would go for the lower, you know, because people tend to put their arm around you when you're going for the selfie. Yeah. So the natural thing would be you go on the lower side because I'm tall than you, but sometimes people go for the higher one.

And I always think it's weird because I'm like, okay, this is uncomfortable that I have to, you know, you're like hanging, because what happens is they're like hanging off. you. Yeah. And you have to kind of arch down. I do think sometimes definitely you have weird hugging chemistry with people where you, like, you go in and like the hug is awkward because their hug doesn't like match your pattern of hug. I think I always do one up, one down. Yeah. I do one up, one down. Well, because a lot of times with hugging these days, you know, it's like a one hand pull in hug. Yeah. So it's not as much of an issue. But I think this is cute. I just get confused. Five foot one, make them come down.

They're doing the kiss or not. But I do know when you're younger, Like if you see a guy, you put both your hands up and you're like, hi, and you wrap your hands around his neck and you're like, hi, hug. And then, yeah, there's a lot of different techniques that can go wrong. A hogging technique. We have to do an episode on hugging technique. Yeah, what is your hugging technique and what's correct? What's your go-to hug?

Who do you hug? What's the- What's the-the- Like, if you're a lefty, every time you hug, do you, like, I've almost made out with so many people because of a bad hug. The left-handed people feel hard done by that a handshake is always, was with the right hand. What worse than that? I was told for years that like shaking with your left hand was like disrespectful because in certain cultures people used to wipe their ass with their left hand.

Do you ever hear that? Yeah. Who's wiping their ass with their left hand? I don't know. Because when I got my skiing accident and I couldn't use my right hand, it was so difficult to wipe my ass with my left hand because like you don't know the pattern. Like it's a totally different, you know, perspective. and then your arms, like, it's just, it's really difficult to wipe lefty.

Yeah. Try it tonight if you're bored. Like, even, I'm so conditioned by whatever this thing that I was taught about shaking with your left hand, that like, if I'm, if I'm like holding something with my right hand and I see somebody I know and I put up my left because I have no other option, I feel like am I disrespecting this person? But in actual fact, if you meet a left-handed person and you shake with your left hand, you're really respecting the fact that most of their lives, they've had to shake with their

weaker hand. A lot of things to think about. It's really not fair for the lefties, honestly. what was this uh what what did she say this girl what happened she was the over the shoulder oh the shoulder yeah because i i i i we were back on the hand yeah i was like did we talk about this already no because it was the left was it was a oh because we talked about the left hand thing you know about uh anyway it's all good hi hannah and des i love the pod anyway my power move is that

I could talk about pretty much anything in sports for five, ten minutes and sound knowledgeable and legit. I'm a woman in STEM, so most of my coworkers are male. So having just like enough working sports knowledge to hold a conversation at networking events, conferences, even meetings is like huge. Not saying it's right, but I think it makes them respect me more. Got to do what you got to do out here. So yeah, that's my power move. And I'm going to keep using it. I swear to God, it makes them remember me, too.

It's like a little bit flirtatious also. So I'm just using my powers as a woman in STEM for my benefit, I guess. Yeah, saying it out loud sounds a little weird. But anyway, yeah, sports knowledge is my power move. Thanks. No, it's valid. What annoys me as someone who knows sports is how, like, they always assume you don't know. So sometimes, like, they'll man's playing to you and you're like, I know what a triple double is.

But I would do this thing where, yeah, if you want to connect with the guy, you'd just be like, like, oh, did you play sports? And I was like, yeah, I played baseball in high school. And you go, like, can I get to your position? And then you'll be playing first base. And I'm like, oh, I don't play for space. And, like, you just, you show that you're like, you know what's going on. It's pretty, um, men are simple creatures.

Well, I mean, outside of this, I would think that this is actually a power move that you use a lot because you know a lot about sports. I know. I do. I just feel like it's a, it's a common, um, ground that you can talk to a guy about. and he gets a little less like she doesn't get it or whatever you just feel a little more like we're on the same page we're good you can calm down kind of thing yeah i don't even know if this is like a power move as much as it's like a social strategy yeah a social strategy and i do think for the girls who are like hana like i don't know about sports fuck what do i do i would argue like you really just have to it's hard if you like have never seen basketball before but like i'll like not follow that the Knicks at all. And then all I have to do is watch one game with someone who knows what's going on. I ask like, who's the top players, who's having trouble this year? Who are we excited about? And you get the drama and you get the tea. And then you just ask people about it like full

circle be like, oh, are we mad that, you know, they traded this guy. And you immediately sound like you know what's going on and you care. Yeah. I mean, it's a good, it's a good skill for dating for the men. For sure. But it's also good to just have an arsenal of things that can make people comfortable in conversations. And like Chris, for example, you're a guy if you're dating women, you need to know about Sephora. You need to know what the Sapphora sale is. You need to know what highlighters we're using, what lip stain is working.

I'm going to go do some field research. I'll show up to Sephora. Yeah, it's interesting, though, because are women as receptive to men knowing about makeup? No, it means someone cooked there. Do you know what that means? Like that they learned from somebody else. Yes. Yes.

It's like it's the smell of fucking piss from a dog, from a dog. There's a thing going around on TikTok where they ask men, where do I put conditioner in my hair? Oh, right. Do you know? I actually, well, no, not where women do. So you put it at the ends of the hair. Oh, right. Because we put it at the top is too oily.

And if a guy knows that, you're like, well, he had to learn it from his ex-girlfriend. Yeah. Des, as we know, has never been with anyone before me. So that's why he succeeded in that. And as Hannah's listeners know, she doesn't like sex in the shower. So we don't spend a ton of time in the shower together for having a chance to learn about how she gets rid of her split ends. How do you know about split ends, Des? How do you know about split ends? Not just kidding. But then it's a thin line to lose-lose because like you get mad if a guy knows too much. But then if he doesn't know anything, you're like, I don't want to fucking teach him this. Like the glass girl should taught him. Yeah. And the great thing about us is that we, neither of us, if you meet, if we got divorced and you met somebody else or I met somebody else, neither of us have cooked.

There won't be any cooking evidence left in our apartment. There'll just be a large, an Uber Eats delivery guy, and be like, a lot of Uber Eats delivery guy, I'd be like, you're new. All right, well, you leave it there because actually the last, the very last one was actually something that you brought up earlier about, can you repeat that, you know, when people say something bad. So it's been, it's, it's been well covered of a fine episode, power moves, powering into

2024. I feel strong, yeah, let's power into the new year. We love our little gigglers. Tempe, I'm in Tempe this weekend. The dialers came out, by the way, for my show in Chicago. I had two dialers in the front row. It was great. So shout out, shout out to them. They know who they are 22, 25 years. They've been together since they're 18, so

cute, seven years together at 18, and I tried to pressurize them to actually get engaged on state for the, for the viral. So I was like, come on, I need the content. But they were very cool. That's really funny. And it was fun to watch them laugh and they were in the front row. So I'll be in Tempe this weekend. Also, I think we're eventually going to do an episode of updates, like whatever you guys have submitted, letting us know how it's going or that kind of thing. I mean, we were thinking

about doing that next week. Yeah, we might do it next week. We thought about doing it this week, but we were nervous that people wouldn't have time to like, or that they wouldn't see the prompt. So to be honest with you, next week is going to be that So you don't have to wait for the prompt this week Because they all just list up So if you're a dialer and something has been submitted before and used Please give us an update But also obviously give us the detail of the prompt that came through

And we'll put the link in the description for you to submit it And I'll also post it on Monday like I normally do Yes, but the one good news about this is that they had to have used it before Yes So at least they'll know what to do I know how it works Yeah, so Because sometimes we had follow-up questions

or we just want to know how you're doing. Yeah. It's just, we want to establish more of a relationship with everybody. Yes. An intimate relation. And also, my special of Des Bishop of all people will be out probably January 14th. I haven't picked the actual day. Oh, my God, so exciting.

But let's just say January 14th for now. Next week, I'll have the actual date. And not to be a good about me, but I am the executive producer. comes up at the end Hannah's the executive producer So Very excited That was a power move on my part

And she had some She had some input She had some input I was like I need to be executive And that is called No no You're involved in the edit

You made some editing decisions And the production The fact that we start With crowd work Is actually a note That came from you Thank you So there you go

So that'll be out soon I'm so excited Chris anything to promote Just burn her phone Oh not just burner phone I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Giggly Squad Digley and Burnow Have you been seeing other podcasts

Somebody has cooked on these mics Talk to you later guys Bye