Berner Phone - Berner Phone #31: Scams in Everyday Life

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

This episode confirms that pretty much everything in life is a scam. The consensus is admin is taking over our lives, we are all spending more money than we think, and capitalism is always winning. Zocdoc.com/BERNER Quince.com/BERN for free shipping

Hi, it's Hannah Burner and Des Bishop. Thanks for calling the burner phone. If you leave a message after the tone, we may have to make it into a podcast. Hello, Burner Phoners. Yeah. My little dialers. Can I say straight up to, I don't think I'm going to be as sharp as normal on this podcast today. So Des got ACL surgery two days ago.

Yeah, I'm two days after surgery and, you know, it was way more painful than I expected. So I tried not to take any tramadol this morning, but I eventually, I had to. The pain, it's brutal. So anyway, I'm not looking for sympathy, but tramidols are pretty heavy. So I find myself spacing out sometimes. So we're going to get a really gentle, relaxed Des this episode. He's going to sound very spiritual, like a. guru who is a little bit old and forgetting all of his life lessons.

Yeah. Any needless to say, I'm here. And can I just say thanks to all the people that reached out about ACL surgery. What I didn't realize is that half the world has had an ACL reconstruction because once you're in the ACL world, like everybody's like, oh yeah, I had that three years ago. So thanks to all the advice. The one thing I will say is that because I had this extra procedure, The let's procedure, if anybody knows, this is way more painful than I was expecting.

And I definitely didn't get enough of that advice that be prepared for how sore it's going to be. But anyway, we're here. We're not going to bore you. Hospitals come up in our scam episodes. So do you want to introduce the topic? Yes, we were talking about scams. It was going around a little on, like, TikTok. People were talking about, like, what scams that are normalized.

We mentioned it on Giggly Squad, and I was like, I want to see what the little diet. have to say about scams, because I'm obsessed with scams. I mean, I love like multi-level marketing stuff, pyramid schemes. As a topic, you mean, though, as a topic. You were speaking so positively about multi-level marketing scams. No, as in, if I see a documentary about it, I'm like, I'm watching this shit. Because I just think it's like the people who have the balls to try to scam. Yeah, it's just fascinating. But I think what the topic was meant to, be was kind of like things that are accepted as normal that in reality are scams. Yes.

We got some anger coming through. So some of these things are kind of just straight up scams. But I think scams that need to like, why are we not talking about this? I do think that I could get scammed pretty easily because I don't understand like the rules of stuff. And if someone's like, oh, this is what you have to do to do this. This is just what the government says. I'll be like, okay, because everything seems so random anyway. By the way, can I just say one thing that has to do at my surgery?

There's no paranoia, like the paranoia of wondering what the hell you said while you were under anesthesia. Like one day, I mean, I hope they didn't film me, but I just suddenly realized, oh my God, I could have said anything. I feel like it's like HIPAA where they don't tell you what you said. because I've gotten out of appendix surgery and everyone was looking at me very funny and I was like I would love to know what I said it was probably so silly

or like inappropriate please tell me but they wouldn't tell me they were like nothing happened did I ever tell you the story about when they shave my pubs for a testicular cancer surgery no okay so they didn't tell me before they didn't tell me before that they were going to shave it for the surgery right

did they give you a full Brazilian So this is the thing When I came to Like not only did I lose the testicle But they'd only shaved half I mean if you're gonna shave my pubes Like they let they shaved half So it was like like a practical joke

Like a half a mustache At least to a landing strip So I had like a Do you remember like the rappers back in like the 80s They had like half their hair would be shaved I had like a kind of Kwame was the I had like a Kwame hairstyle on my pubs But it's just like

it would definitely be better to have but I guess back in those days people still had pubs they were like oh he probably wants some of his pubs there so anyway but also I feel like it's weird if they're like well we might as well get the butthole too if we're down here yeah but the thing is that like it's one of those things where you're under right so you have not like you have no agency so they were just like they made an executive decision that I would prefer to remain half half pubed no but it's not what you prefer I think it's weird if they did more because then it becomes just like a aesthetic thing of what you want your peeps to look like. They're just trying to do surgery. Yeah, but I would just assume that like they needed all that hair out of the way. Anyway, just came up. Did you get any like razor bumps or did they do it well? Well, I mean, back then my overriding thought was how do women shave their, their vajay because the growback period was so uncomfortable.

I couldn't stand the itchiness from when it was growing back. I had severe, severe irritation. The prickles. Yeah, I didn't like it. That's why girls are spending so much money on laser and waxing. Because the shaving process, especially if, I mean, I could, it's a scam. It's a scam. Pupes are a scam.

The eradication of body hair is a scam, man. You know, we should, we could, all we need to do is just be comfortable of body hair again. And then we wouldn't have to deal with all this nonsense. But the thing is, as someone who's very hairy, sometimes I do feel hygienically, it's better when I'm hairless. like after a couple days like it's it can get smelly with the pubs and like the next thing you have a snack stuck in it oh hannah like growing in my what no that was too much all right well let's get let's this this segues this segues right into our first one can we just get into it okay okay just one more submission from me because i think it's really important

that the girlies are aware that the skin care industry in large part is a huge scam. I used to use, like, all the products that were, like, really nice and supposed to make your skin amazing because I had really bad skin a few years ago. And I used, like, every fancy product and, like, had this whole, like, million steps skincare routine. Okay, one day I woke up and was, like, I cannot keep spending this many dollars on skincare.

So I went to CVS and I got Cetophil, however you say it, and Saravet and a vitamin C serum. because vitamin C is actually important for your skin and that's all I use and my skin has never been better. So just like if you're spending hundreds of dollars on skin care just like maybe try not doing that because it's a scam.

Okay, bye. Love you guys. Okay, shout it from the rooftops. Yeah. Shout it from the rooftops. Until we get a skincare sponsor, shout it from the rooftops here on the podcast. Because my thing is if there was a certain skin care that like if you put it on your face like i don't know everything's glowing or whatever

people are looking for everyone would use it um and i just think like so much is the branding and like what celebrities behind it also it's a fact that if you use too many products it's bad for your skin like page got to this point where she was putting so much shit in her face her skin like never looked worse yeah i mean i've always like i i cannot believe how much people buy into the snake oil of the skin care industry. Now, I don't think that all of it is nonsense, but I think I would say this is just a random number I'm throwing out, but I would say 80%

of the promises made by the skincare industry are total bullshit. Well, because it's all based on fear. I mean, I have some stand-up about it where everyone talks about fine lines, fine lines, and, you know, acne and rose, like redness. Like things you, some people will show like before and afters and I'm like, wait, why can't you have like a little bit of color

on your skin, like, or like some freckles. Then freckles were out. Now people are freckles are in. Like, it's all trendy and shit. But then also speaking from a male perspective, we always joke that like girls have an 80-step skincare routine and guys are using a towel they use for their balls on their face and they're glowing. But the truth is, she's talking about Cedophil and Sarah Vee.

But like I asked a makeup artist once when I was doing dance with the stars in Ireland, you know, I just put like my Vaseline aloeira moisturizer that I put on my body. I put that on my face and it seems to work fine. And she said, if you're not having a reaction, if you're not having a allergic reaction, then it's totally fine. It's true. Now, I'm not saying that some people shouldn't be concerned

about having reactions. I'm not telling you what you should put on your face. But all I'm saying is when you're getting into the hundreds of dollars range, you're getting ripped off. You're getting ripped off. No, 100%. And then all these like serums, I'm like, is this serum that's $200 versus one

that's $20, like, what is the actual difference of it? And a lot of it is just like, you have to use it consistently. I'm putting E-45 on my face. I've never had a problem. Just, I want to throw that down right now. I'm putting Sarajevoa on my face. I've never had a problem. You know, I put eucerine, oatmeal, skin calming.

I put that on my face. I've never had a problem. I'm not giving you life advice, but what I'm telling you is I've never had a problem. And I do have to say, I'm a full hypocrite because last night I couldn't sleep. and at 2 a.m., I found myself in a wormhole, and I bought an expensive LED light mask for my face. Oh, my gosh. Do you know, like, you're going to walk in, and I'm going to have a full mask that's a red LED light. Like you're at a rave in the 90s?

Yes. So shout out to me for falling for it last night, because I was like, this will fix all my problems, this LED light. But it's all stems on this fear. And women, particularly, like, God forbid, you have your face moves when you smile. And it's like, God damn it. Like, honestly, sometimes I, this might be controversial. But I have had facials. And sometimes my skin feels worse after a facial.

Like, it's too much. Your skin can break out after a facial. Yeah, it's too much. I definitely had breakouts after a facial too much. Also, they say that, like, acne and can be. caused by stress or like certain things could be caused by stress and you know what stresses me out overpaying for skin products so they got you in a full circle that is scam central well i had real acne and i did acutane so you know yeah i think it's like you go full acutane if you need yeah but

real teenage acne yeah for sure you know a breakout is no big deal that's some real teenage acne different story that's genetic yeah i just accepted before my period i'm going to have three or four little bumps by my chin. One of the great things about getting older, man. Shit, when I get a pimple these days, I'm like, still got it, bro. When I get a zit now, I'm like, oh, my God, a pimple. Oh, my God, I still get those. Well, the funny thing about being a man is that you guys could have a beard to cover three

quarters of your face, which like contours it. One, two, makes you a beard, just a beard guy. So it's like you could be ugly, but now you're a beard guy. And three, you could cover all your pimples with it. Yeah, it's actually one of the reasons why I don't shave my pubs because it covers my scar. A little cover-up job there. Sorry, are you upset? I know my mom's listening.

No, I was about to say, I think scars are hot. Oh, right. Oh, in other words, I have to shave my pubs. It's coded. It's coded, man. So anything else on the skincare, anything else on the skincare front? What's your go-to, what's your, like, go-to moisturizer for your body? So I don't moisturize my body?

What? Yeah, because I think that moisturizer, and I don't know if someone submitted this, but I also think Chapstick is a scam. I think that once you start moisturizing, your body, like, yearns for it more and it gets drier to want moisturizer. I've never moisturized my body. And after the shower, my skin is never dry, but my face is. So I always moisturize my face after the shower, but I never moisturize my body.

Interesting. I mean, I definitely moisture. You have to, though, genetically. Yeah, I have to moisturize my body. But as I said, I'm a big fan of eucerine oatmeal calm skin lotion. But it turns out that when I got scrotal eczema, that actually that was not good for my scrodle eczema. Did you just say scrotal eczema on the podcast? Jesus Christ.

Listen, we're talking about skin care, man. I've got to, you know, this is a safe space. This is a safe. I do have to, I do want to say, as someone who's been accused of looking like I have chapped lips, because I have very pale, naturally colored lips and whatever. Long story short, I really care about my lips. And I find that, like, Carmex and just general chapsticks really do have that, like, they hydrate a little, and then your lip is, like, drier and, like, needs it.

So you have this addiction to it where I'm an aquifer, like, girly. Right. Aquifer all day. stop with these expensive $50 or $40, $30 lip, you know, things. And let's say, let's just get on the record. Hannah has great lips. They were so great that before I knew her, when I was just following her on Instagram,

I actually thought that you had lip fillers because they are very good lips. But I would also like to say that you have been cyber bullied about your chap lips. And that's unacceptable that you've become that aware of your lip chapping. Okay. Well, I'll post the video and there'll be like 20 comments like about my lips being chapped. And lips being chapped is like basically saying that you don't, you have like bad hygiene or that you're walking around just like with bloody, crusty ass lips. And I do think that because my lips are close to my skin tone, people assume that it's like a white, it's white or something. I honestly never knew.

I was never insecure about it until like two years ago. Yeah, you got cyberbullied into into your lips. lips and I almost I almost got this thing called lip blushing where you basically get a tattoo on your lips of like color on it and then I was like talk about a scam I'm like what the fuck was I about to do pay like thousands of dollars to get my lips a weird like rosy color amen I just think at the end of the day like you can fuck up when you do things to your face and the natural look you can all you'll never look freaky with it at least like at least I don't look like a fucking freak exactly except just be happy with who you are talk about a scam in the skincare

industry is like girls who are 22 getting these like insane facials to improve collagen and like getting Botox preventive preventative Botox preventative Botox but I saw this girl who's 22 and was complaining about this procedure she got on her face that like didn't do anything and I'm like you're 22 you haven't even had you don't even pay for health insurance which we'll get to later you don't have any stress right now you don't have fine lines on your face chill the fuck out enjoy life go for a walk yeah that's good you don't even get hung over yet all right dude you got to go to your mom i can't go you you were going to go to your mom oh yeah so my mom cheated and just send me a voice memo to my phone now we're going

to get accused the nepotism on the prompts we have a nepo baby on the line wait should i start calling my mom a nepo mom? Yeah, put your NEPO mom's message here. Okay, let's see what she has to say. Hi, Anna and Dez. I'm pretty cynical about a lot of things, and I think a lot

of things are scams, but I often think about the iCloud and how you know, they automatically debit like $299 from like hundreds of millions of people you know, every month. And

for what? Like 8,000 plus photos of mine in the cloud that I never look at. Will I ever look at, like, where's the off ramp? Like, when I die, like, are you going to get my eye cloud of pictures? Like, what's the ultimate goal here? And, but we pay it like, you know, like, oh, we have to have everything backed up, God forbid. And I'm just thinking, you know, maybe we just don't need all those photos and maybe we should bring back photo albums. I don't know. Miss you guys. Bye. I mean, it's a great scam

because, you know, what happened, I had a weird situation where for some reason Google Photos took over my iPhone for a while and then I kept coming up saying your photo storage is full and then I didn't understand what was going on. So then I

realized, oh, Google Photos is taken over. So I deleted all of those thinking I still had them on my iPhone and those photos are gone, including from our wedding. Did you know that? Oh, shit.

Yeah, but, so that's like, that's the problem with the cloud is like, sometimes you just like suddenly like, I didn't even know that I subscribed to Google photos. I didn't even know this was going on. Anyway, yeah. I never got those photos back though, but there is, there is sort of,

you end up making a lot of decisions that you don't realize you're making and suddenly it's like, oh, all my, all this, I didn't even realize I was paying for this much storage. No, you're so. right i got an i cloud i guess when i still had my or an apple id when i still was in college so i had my college email address so then fast forward i started having to like do stuff with apple and they were like send us your email and my email was my wisconsin email that had been deactivated so i couldn't

get into my yes apple id so i was just in this like weird limbo where i couldn't get access to anything i had to eventually go to apple store it was like a whole fucking ordeal which you know that gave me like a huge panic attack because I hate that kind of admin. Also, we were part of that time where we were like transitioning into a cloud. No one knows what the cloud is. But it's true. When they have these things that everyone pays $2, you're like, I don't care. And they're making so much money from it.

I have two Apple IDs. And they will not, you can't merge them. Talking about a scam. Talk about a scam. Wow, you're paying $4 a month. Well, I'm paying a lot more than that because I needed to buy extra storage. So I'm definitely paying more than $2. a month because I have a lot of stuff in the cloud.

I do have a sadness of, like, growing up, you know, when you'd look at old albums that, like, your grandma would make and you'd, like, just sit around and look through those albums. Nowadays, it's, like, not the same going through your phone. And, yeah, you could use Shutterfly and Print It Off, but, like, again, a lot of extra steps. But I do miss photo albums. Pros and cons. There's a lot more photos. Yes, there's a show. Oh, my God.

So much photo. So much video. I have, like, 20 photos for my entire adolescence. Like, I know, but because video was so sparse, it's almost like cuter that they're like, this is the one video we have from you when you were three. And it's like a six second blurry video and you're like, that's amazing. Where if I look at a video now that I took from like five years ago, I'm like, that was stupid. Yeah, I have, uh, I drank a lot from the age of 12 to 19 and there is one photo in existence

of me holding a beer. One photo. I have one photo and it was my entire personality for those years 12 to 19 Or maybe you were being savvy and you were like yo no one get me

with the beer in my hand okay No there was no savviness I was taking photos It's crazy It's it's it's horrible to think But anyway The amount of just like Actually you know what is a scam

And there's obviously companies that have been created I think including somebody That works with us That have been created to stop subscriptions that just keep going. But subscriptions, Rocket money.

Subscriptions should absolutely, it should be a legal obligation that they, if you do not respond to a message, they will cancel your subscription because there is a serious amount of money that's being taken from people that are not paying attention to their subscriptions. No, I don't trust any of these subscription places, especially ones,

like I get it if you're paying for like a makeup box or something every month that you get reminded. like okay I'm getting it but there's these things like like I just bought it I bought an app last month about learning about history I forgot I downloaded it that's probably like that was a decent amount of money I just bought a stretching app last night that was a decent amount of way I'm not going to even remember that I have those on my phone but in my head at the time I'm like this is going to change my life but you forget you have it because there's no reminder and then there's places like that have these like VIP like if you if you pay monthly when you go shopping you get a percentage

off. So yeah, Rocket Money is really good where it sees all your subscriptions. So everyone do that. Shout out Rocket Money. By the way. I have a code. Another old school scam that's been around for a long time. Jims make it very hard to cancel your membership. Very easy to join. Babe, did I ever tell you a story about my Irish gym membership? Yeah.

My Irish gym membership. I tried to cancel a few times. Never happened. And then I just forgot. And I didn't go for so long. And then one day I actually was back in Ireland. I wanted to go. And I said, listen, I have a man. membership but like I haven't used it in a long time gave her my name she was like is that you I had brown fucking hair I brown hair in the photo and if you're someone who doesn't like making phone calls like there's things where they're like oh to cancel this yes you have to call um and it's like so that should be illegal you should be able to cancel anything from just clicking a button why do I have to call someone who's gonna annoy the fuck out of me and try to upsell me

and next thing you know I've lost more money it when I was trying to cancel. But yeah, the cloud, it's funny. I, I've had multiple times in college, like those early years of the cloud where my phone would break and I go to get a new phone and I, like, wouldn't know how to log in

and I'd just be like, fuck it, I don't need those photos. Like I have so many photos that are lost. Or now they're on like an old Facebook that I have to like log into. Some old computer that you need like a Raiders of the Lost Ark moment to try to open it up. Yeah, well, back then,

like we didn't have Wii. transfer and stuff so like if you had big files that just lived on that computer and that's where it stayed yeah can you imagine how many USB drives are sitting around with like people's people's stuff no during college um one of my friends who actually now lives in ireland she was a golfer it was her last night um she was graduating and i was younger so i made this documentary like with a camera where i went around and i was like her last night and i interviewed people about her and i I did music and, like, us having fun. And it was, like, a really cool, like, five-minute documentary.

I posted on Facebook. And then, like, years later, she's like, can you send it to me? And I was like, I don't know where it is or how to get it. It's gone forever. And it's just, like, gone forever. All right, let's get into some more. We're indulging hard on each of these topics. Let's go a little lighthearted, which I think your original idea was that this was going to be

a little more lighthearted than we're getting into. Hold on. Hi, Anna and Des. Love you both. I've been a fan of Des Bishop since he did his TV show in Ireland in like 2008. And it blew my mind when I realized he was married to our Lord and Savior, Hannah Burner. Anyway, what I think is a scam is why is iced coffee the same price or more expensive than normal coffee when like they have to do less work? They don't even have to heat up the milk and the ice is just like there and they put the iced coffee in.

But why is it the same price or more expensive? So there was a lot of ice coffee stuff So fucking true Ice coffee is generally more expensive than regular coffee Shout out to the Irish I just announced another date at Vicker Street in Dublin In Dublin I'm so excited

I love how they say M Instead of um Oh right This is so fucking true I am also of the opinion That like the amount of ice is so unnecessary Like you don't need the whole Like the amount, I mean, they do that with alcohol, with drinks where you have to be like, can I just have like a little bit of ice?

Because you're basically paying for like, water. Three sips. Yes. Literally water and three sips of alcohol. And oh my God, that is such a scam at the bars. The fact that bars aren't like, I guess there's no way to regulate it, but how some bars, I remember in college we'd be like, oh, they have like strong drinks here and they have really light drinks here because like that's just how they would pour. Anyway, yeah, the coffee thing is wild Because it's like, it is less work

She's completely right And less coffee Less coffee, you're throwing it on top of ice I do want to point out that cold brew is different For the coffee connoisseur So cold brew you are actually getting a higher concentration of caffeine Or nitro Well, nitro even better

But the reality is that some places love throwing so much ice in there That you're hardly getting any coffee So, you know, really a life hack is to say less ice then you'll end up with more product but they there's no there's no like regulation of that so that's just one of these things that we have to just accept in this life it's interesting how ice comes in all shapes and forms like sometimes they have bigger ice sometimes they have the like crushed ice i wonder what is better what works best and what would give us the most bang for our buck and the reason this coffee thing is important is because this is a daily thing that people buy

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I'm going to, I'm going to do two here. This is two in a row, okay? Very quick. Okay. Pay attention. Okay. Hi, Hedda, hi, hi, Des. Sorry about outside, having a smoke.

And I'm going to bitch about health insurance. Health insurance feels like a total scam because you have to pay a monthly premium. And you have to cover your deductible on top of your, your premium. And then once you meet your deductible and you're out-of-pocket maximum, which could be anywhere from $8,000 to $10,000 for a family of four, your insurance may or may not cover everything at 100% at that point. So it just feels like total bullshit. So yeah, we've contemplated doing insurance or not and just setting up like a savings account essentially for health stuff.

But yeah, health insurance is a scam. All right, this one might be a little too soon for Des, but hospitals are absolute scams. I had to go to the hospital a couple of years ago because I was basically bleeding out because I cut my toe, trying to give myself a pedicure. It doesn't matter. I ended up paying $2,000 for essentially a baby.

band-aid and a tetanist shot and I had insurance. I mean, hospitals are absolute scams and I'll avoid them at all costs. I'll, I'll die in my house before I go back to hospital. I don't care. Amen. I'm literally having this conversation with you in Ireland right now because of the scam that is American health insurance. I know it's well covered, but it needs to be repeated. But I remember I first went to the hospital about something when I was young and they just kept asking me like do you want this scan do you want that scan do you want this check and i was just like yeah i'm at the hospital like do what you need to do i didn't realize it was like me getting a pedicure and her asking me if i wanted like they were just upselling me you were racking up the bill

i was racking up the bill and i had no fucking clue because i'm not a fucking doctor i don't know what i need and what i don't need when i'm especially when you're in pain and they're asking you what you want i remember when i first turned 26 and had to get my own health insurance and they just start throwing words like deductible around and I was like I've never heard that word before and I don't know what it means like this is what I wish they would co-pay yeah I don't know what it all means and then the fact that they don't always cover dental or like other stuff I'm like then what is health then it's not health insurance it's just very specific it's just sometimes doctor insurance just like every now and then you'll get lucky that they cover it insurance you know it's such a scam I mean I pay I'm gonna say it out loud

I pay $720 a month, crappy Obamacare for like essentially just like a just in case, you know, something horrible goes wrong. I think I do two or more. But yet I'm in Ireland because I knew that it would just be so much easier. And it's not that it's not that I wouldn't be able to have this surgery on my insurance. I'm not 100% throwing my insurance under the bus. But what I definitely knew was that I would have limited options

and I would definitely have had to fight every step of the way. I don't understand how in America they've created a health insurance system where even if you are eventually going to get covered, they make you fight because they basically want you to not use it. They've created a business where it's like, we'll do everything in our power to not have these people use this product that they're paying for. It's crazy. Yeah, I also didn't realize that you have to do so much work on your end to make the health insurance work. Like, I didn't realize that you have to like file claims. Like I didn't do a lot of that stuff. I was just like, I gave them my health insurance card.

I thought it was like Apple Pay. Yes. I'm like figuring out. Yeah, well, it happened to you. So we're going to go two quick examples, right? I know this isn't super funny and it's supposed to be a comedy pop, but two simple examples. You had appendix surgery and actually at the time, I didn't understand the American health insurance as well as I do now. So you got a bill for that from that hospital and you actually just paid it because you thought, oh, I guess my insurance didn't cover it.

But as it turned out, they probably didn't, they tried to avoid billing your insurance, went to you, hoping that you were just. pay it, which you did, and you didn't have to pay that because it was an emergency procedure. Fully a fucking scam. So then, how I learned about that was, I thought I was having a heart attack. It turned out I just needed to fart. And I called an ambulance for myself at the golf club.

I ended up at a hospital and Riverhead Long Island, right? Went in, emergency though. A heart attack, that's an emergency. It's covered even though the hospital's out of network, right? So then I start getting all these fucking bills, right? I call my insurance company and they say, oh, they haven't billed us. Even though I'd

given my insurance number to the hospital. I called the hospital. They were like, oh, we didn't have your insurance number. I said, well, I gave it. In fact, you had somebody come in and I filled out all those forms. So then they're like, oh, we'll bill your insurance company. So then they do actually bill the insurance company. Turns out the insurance does cover most of it. I pay my co-pay. I think that's the end of it. I keep getting a fucking bill from the hospital and I'm like ignoring it because I fucking paid it. Eventually, I call the hospital and they go, oh no, you paid for this, this and this. This is the

this was the hospital fee. This was some other fucking fee. So I was like, oh, well, this is my insurance. They're like, oh, you didn't give us your insurance. I said, I fucking did. And I had to do it a whole dance again. And this went on for like nine months. That sounds like it should be illegal.

When I got hit by a car back in my day, famously in college, they later on like a year or two after were sending bills to my old college address when I had graduated already and I had no fucking clue so then it it like fucked up my credit for a while because I wasn't paying these like small hospital bills that kept randomly be sending to me I mean that's why I also like as someone who has lived in so many different places with the internet existing I'm like stop mailing my stuff to random addresses and then filing claims that never get to me because then guess where the claim goes to It's that old apartment

Like they didn't know my address I mean whatever about getting into the largest scam Of the American healthcare industry and how ridiculous it is With the way that they've structured payments And how much everything costs But just the fact that it's a system That requires you to fight every step of the way To make sure like because here's the reality

You paid for that surgery which you did not need to pay for And you never once got a letter back saying Actually as it turns out you were covered for this So they will try to think The whole system is based on you accidentally paying. That's insane. No, I know.

Because I could have accidentally paid for any one of those things, freaked out because they were sending me bills for like three and a half grand. Well, I do think there's a lot of things in the system that they purposely make difficult so that certain people who may not have like the connections or the money or even just the knowledge to be able to do stuff. Like any, like even like applying to colleges. Like it's not straightforward.

It's not easy. And, or voting, voting's not straightforward, it's not easy. And when things should be way more straightforward and easy. I remember when I hurt myself in Canada, I was like, oh, the health care is free here. And they're like, yeah, for Canadians, you stupid bitch. And I was like, oh, shit. You stupid American. All right, let's, let's keep going.

Let's go for one that is very strong in our hearts. Hi, people. I'm sorry, this is my second one I'm sending in because there's lots of things in this world better scams, but what I think personally, and I'm sure a lot of people can agree on, is paying for luggage. How can certain airlines decide, you know, that it's going to be included, like Southwest, or you have to pay a certain luggage fee, like, you know, some are like 80, some are 90, whatever, or if it goes overweight, you pay even more, okay? Let's talk about how that money is not going to help the plane if it's too heavy, right? Like, makes no sense. But then also, how can you have a carry-on?

Maybe it's 80 pounds. Maybe you loaded that baby up. Maybe it's so heavy. But that one's free. But if you have an 80 pound, like, bigger luggage, that one's going to cost you, like, $600. Not literally. But I just don't get how the money helps the plane. Like, what does it do?

It should just be included in the fee. Well, this is very interesting because actually, you know, they were trying to keep the weight down to the plane when they started bringing in these luggage fees. but now everyone just tries to bring their shit on the plane to the point where now they're like, hey, we'll check it in for free because we can't fit all this shit. I do think with flying, the average person flies maybe like once or twice a year.

So like they're just like get kind of like, okay, I'll do whatever. Because when you are flying a lot, you end up getting, you know, like, oh, you're at this status, so we'll give you this stuff for free. But most people will just be like, yeah, fucking charge me, whatever.

A lot of people on the Delta Reddit think that they should start charging for carry-ons because actually carry-ons are like gold dust now. You know, people, you know, because the spots on the plane are so limited that actually it's the carry-on that's become the hot spot. Well, it is crazy with Delta. You have to get on early to even, because someone could walk on, yeah, with two huge carry-ons. Then people are putting like purses up there.

And you can't put your full luggage. It's a whole thing. And then you feel weird if you take someone's little purse or little backpack out to somewhere else because you're like touching someone's stuff. But it's mayhem out in these streets. All right. Let's go. Let's let me see what we got.

I got to lighten it up here. Well, actually, this is an admin one. You're literally a radio DJ. Like, okay, we need a pop song. This is an admin one that I think is definitely going to matter to. you. Biggest scam of all is running out of a medication. Calling the doctor to get a refill. The doctor says, you need an appointment to see the doctor before we can refill the prescription. You then ask, okay, I'll make that appointment. When's the next availability? It's not for three months. Okay,

so you can't refill my prescription for three months and I'm just going to stop taking this med. That can't be healthy with any possible med. You just stop taking it. Cut yourself. off. And if you're like me, I always call the doctor to refill my prescriptions with like three pills left maximum. So then you're just out of luck. Big scam. Okay. This is this is a big one for you. This is so big because I'm just talking about birth control first. Like I first of all was like gave me birth control. I didn't realize you have to do all these things to get birth control. And then after like obviously you run out and then you're like I need my birth control like now. and they're like, you have to set up an appointment and all this stuff.

Then I was finding out people like, if you find certain problems with yourself, like a lump in your breast or like, yeah, you need certain things, doctors will just be like, yeah, the next available appointment is like four months or three months. Like that could be life-threatening. Yeah, if you're taking pills for your mental health or like ADHD medication or, you know, diabetes medication, they make it so fucking difficult. I mean, I'm surprised that you don't have a child because of the admin related to renewing your pill. Like, I feel like there's some girlies out there.

People who are like, oh, how many kids do you have? It's like, five. It's like, why? It's like, because just the pill was just so much admin. The pill is so much admin. And I do have some stand-up bits where I'm like, guys, no one's taking the pill every single day consistently and getting their, like, once I told them, I'm like, can I please have three packs at a. time because the like getting trying to fight for a pack each month was getting very stressful and they were like no I'm like I'm not fucking overdosing on birth control I'm not dealing fucking I'm not dealing birth control in like Catholic convents it's like no literally they were treating it like fucking oxy and I was like this is insane also the fact that they make you have to run hoops to get a pill that like I don't even want to take okay I don't even want to take it Anyway, I knew that one would matter to you because I remember you.

I do, but there are things that you can do, like, I was doing that one medical where you have to pay a fee for the year, but you can just click refill prescription, but it's funny because they're like, yeah, you have to go to your doctor. And like, I didn't have like a doctor. I would find some dude on Doc Doc. So I'd go in and be like, hey, and he's like, are you still anxious? And I'm like, yes. And he'd be like, okay, and write it.

And I'm like, was this necessary? Yes, exactly. there's so much of it is so much of it is unnecessary let's keep it let's keep it feminist here we go keep it feminist hey Hannah and does love you guys um all right so what is a scam what I think is a gigantic

scam is women having to pay for any feminine products like tampons pads bras I didn't choose to be a woman like the boob life chose me. All right. So I find it ridiculous and a total scam that I have to pay like upwards of like

$80 for like a nice bra because you can't cheap out with that. And pads and tampons too. Like I can't just walk around all day bleeding. I need to buy that stuff. So yeah, I think it's a huge scam. Anyway, love guys. So the tampons and pads for fucking sure, like explain to me how you'll give toilet paper for free but for like a cotton thing you have to shove up yourself because you're gushing blood you have to like pay a dollar or whatever in the machine yeah like actually when you think about it like there should be like a tampon levy in like all men's salaries and i i'm not saying this is like somebody's trying to be like an ally wait that's amazing like do you know what i mean like men don't have to deal with fucking periods but they did they get all the benefits of like

existence from the period so like the cost of period it's like let's face women have a lot they have a lot of extra costs women do also do you know twice as much fucking toilet paper no i don't know how much tampons cost yeah you know they they can be anything from like 12 to 15 dollars for like a good pack of tampons and you have to get it monthly like that's that's an that's expense um and that's the way and then we have the wage gap and i think that's great except i wouldn't want the men to start having animosity like oh i could gone on vacation but girls have their fucking period period levy i do have to say i do think bras is interesting because they once a bra company was like telling me that if you don't wear bras there's

like a tendon that will break eventually and then like you can never get your boobs to be perky again and i was like that i don't think that's true but they basically yeah so i understand like i there are certain outfits that I like having a bra but I've been it depends on your boobs but also it's all socially constructed that your boobs need to be like facing completely upward like I think boobs are sexy just as they are sometimes people don't like to show their nipples which I again is a social construct like you've never seen a fucking nipple before but I'll put a nipple pad on and just go for it like in the summer I don't want to feel like my boobs are wrapped up in boob jail yeah I mean the reality is that men have to wear underwear but women have to it's a double it's a double you know

Yeah, I don't, I think depending on your boob size, you don't always have to wear boobs. Like, even these bralets, like these expensive braulettes. Also, lingerie, that's a fucking scam. Laundry's a scam. Hey, let's put something on that's supposed to get me in the mood and I'm taking it off in five fucking seconds. Actually, you know the way you can rent. Also, they're so uncomfortable. You can rent a tuxedo for a wedding.

It should, lingerie should just be like rental because at the end of day, you're going to wear it for like five seconds. It should be a lingerie rental company. Yeah, I guess it's. I guess it's the whole, like, oh, you have your, you know, labia all up in it, and it's like up your butthole. But whenever I put on lingerie, I'm just like, oh, my God, this is so itchy. Oh, my God, this is so uncomfortable. The way people will wear it underneath their outfit all day, absolutely not.

Also, it's a little try hard. Wow. This escalated. It's a little pick-me. Wow. This escalate really quick. I had, we definitely won't be getting any Victoria's Secret sponsorship. I can tell you that.

We're not going to get any. I'm more about honey love and comfort. All right, let's keep it ticking over, something that Hannah might disagree with. Hey, Hannah, hey, Des. I love the podcast. What I think is a scam is high yoga. I don't know why people think it's good for you. If you were to want to exercise on a really hot day, usually it's all over the news.

Like, it's 95 degrees today. Be careful. Stay in air conditioning. Take breaks. They're not like, go out. outside, run around, get a good sweat in, you know? Then they don't even tell you how hot it's going to be. Like sometimes it's, you know, a little warm and you're like, okay, this is nice.

I went to hot yoga this weekend. They were pumping in humidity. Why would I want it to be humid and hot, you know? So by the end of the class, she wants us to do all these balance postures. I can't balance. My yoga mat is covered in sweat because it's 95 degrees in here. so yeah i think it's a scam don't fall for it um if people could stop going hot yoga and places could stop offering it that'd be great thanks so she clearly she's clearly into hot yoga but

look i i have to say this girl is so fucking valid everything she just said because clearly she's going like me but there's a whole documentary about bickram how like hot yoga started bickram and like that guy's a huge scam the whole thing is a scam but you know what it is people just kind of like it it's this guy who yeah like came up with the workout and then started like selling teachings of it to make a lot of money and then those teachers become teachers and it became this whole multi-level marketing scam and he eventually got in trouble for like um abuse and so bickram in general is a scam but then it's it's gotten so big that he they've detached his name from it so this is how fucked up hot yoga is when you go yeah there's no like

warning signs and they definitely should be like you know in a hot tub they're like get out after 10 minutes they should have that with hot yoga but they don't you just walk in and you pray and then oh let's face it if you walk out of fucking hot yoga because it's too hot everyone would be like what a fucking pussy like you get no literally so you're getting shamed you're feeling shamed you're feeling social anxiety yeah so many times i'm like if i put my head out of like the window right now the amazing feeling i would have but so your um mac it's very slippery where you can't do the yoga so you have to buy a towel they have a special towel that's the size of your mat to put on your mat so you don't slip with the hot air that they're putting on you

and then you're it's not recommended to do yoga every day because you'll like you can't hydrate enough to keep up with that what i like is like i like a little heat because it helps loosen the muscles but after that like 10 early first 10 minutes i'm like let's get the air condition it's too much okay it's too much it's too much i get it like if we're working out in altitude that it's difficult but it can help you with your like cardio but in terms of the the hotness it's not necessary i always think i'm going to faint like about 10 minutes before there's a lot of scam there's a lot of scamming going on with the hot and the cold i remember years ago in the in In my early recovery days, when I was in all my spiritual explorations, a bunch of guys got

into sweat lodges, you know, sweat lodges, you know, apparently coming from like Native American stuff, shamanism stuff, sweat lodges helps you to, and the whole thing was like, stay in, to heat the rocks, and you'd stay in, and like, that you, supposedly you were like breaking, you were dealing with stuff, you know, and people would be like, I need to get out, and they'd be like, no and then these people like one of the contributors to the secret one of these fucking charlatan scam artists was getting on his sweat lodges and then people fucking died people literally died and there's no fucking science behind any of this bullshit no well what we're learning about these scams is they're able to happen when there's people are feeling desperate for

example you're injured and you have to go to the hospital for example you want to lose weight For example, you have acne and you want to be pretty. So it's like, that's when they come in. You're broken. You're lost. You're lonely. Everything about your life is going wrong. I remember when I felt, no, yeah.

And then they're like, this is an easy fix. There's no easy fix. If there was, everyone would be buying it, which I guess everyone gets tricked into buying things. I remember feeling so scammed. When I was at like my darkest point, I think I was like 27. I was lost. I was scared. I was rock bottom.

I was, I started Googling. like I got in a dark like how to deal with depression and all these books started to get recommended to me about like this book will change your perspective on life and I bought like seven books and I like didn't have money at the time to buy these books but I was like this is an investment to my mental health and then I never opened any of the pages of these books because all the books like really if reading a book would get you out of a depression everyone would read that one book. I always say that.

Like, everything is, people will do so much external searching for stuff when like it's all just in you and it's like a conscious decision and work that you have to do that will take time and effort and it's never a quick fix.

And it's always internal. It's in you. You have it. All right, here we go. Lighten it up. The self-checkout is the current scam that I'm upset with. I'm so tired.

of the grocery stores in my area. I live in Texas. I don't know if it's like this everywhere else, but 95% of people in the grocery store are sent to the self-checkout and they have like one regular lane open and it takes forever. You have to type in all the codes to your own produce. You have to bag all your shit. It's so annoying to me. I'm spending hundreds of dollars at the grocery store to try and be healthy and cook for myself. And the least, y'all can do we just scan my groceries for me you're not doing so like can we at least get a self-checkout discount it's so dumb I'm over it I'm over it and it makes me just you know like not want to be an adult anymore it's kind of you know I've actually never I've never had to put

like I've had to like you can click bananas but I've never had to like type in the numbers or Yeah, because you don't shop. Then again, I don't shop. You're basically just out. You're ratting yourself out. I've never bought, I've never bought a vegetable in my life. Hey, you want to get out of that? Stop eating vegetables and fruit. I just like that they want a self-checkout discount, which is, you know, it's kind of a nice idea. It kind of reminds me of the whole like, you have to tip regardless if someone's serving you or they just like hand it to you at the counter. That's another whole argument. It's the same thing. Now, I guess the stores would probably argue, well, actually, the self-checkout

discount is already factored in because we've lowered our staffing costs and we're passing that savings onto you. I'm sure that's what they would say. But I would challenge that that actually is what happened. I would challenge it because it's just some guy in corporate who's on a vacation right now who made that decision for some breaks. But I also think, they also say that there's like a tax for like factoring in people stealing stuff or like not checking out everything but it's like if you're not stealing shit you're just taking the brunt of all that all right here we go this is you're going to love this hi hannah and des love you both this one is for the girlies because the thing that i think is a scam are tights and the tight industry in general first these tights make

you squeeze yourself into them like some sort of sausage and in the process of doing that you have to figure out, you know, how to not rip the tights. And you have to wear the tights because you will look like some sort of skank if you don't. But in the process of putting on or wearing the tights throughout the day, you may put a hole or a run in your tights, which will also make you look like a skank. And then you try to buy the tites that don't rip. And they come in the mail, ripped. So therefore, you've been left in this skank tights spiral, trying to figure out how on earth you can put on and wear tights without putting rips in them

and looking like a skank. So yeah, my biggest scam is the tights industry. Love you both. Tites gaslight the fuck out of you. Because you're basically, when you rip it, you feel like you made a mistake. Yes. When really, they made it impossible for you to put on

put it on without ripping it. Amen. How are you supposed to pull it up without? It's insane. Like the fact that a lot, You say ladder in your tights? We say just like a rip. Oh, yeah, because there's a word over here. Or a pull.

Oh, right, yeah. So the fact that there's like its own word for a tight injury to the fabric, it's pretty ridiculous. And I do have to tell you, there are tights that now are like non-ripped tights. They're like non-stick pants type stuff. And I've bought them, but I haven't tried it because I've just been like, I don't want to face myself and the possible disappointment of very. me being the one that's going to rip the non-rimmed sites because it's true when you put them on

and it rips like you look like you're some just like vagabond you but also adding on to that the nail industry is fucking it's crazy because you get your nails done and the second like one chips you look like unprofessional or like you don't have your shit together and then you have to get all your nails redone um and the fact that girls have to have their nails done and i know that it's like nice and it's pretty but like it's so expensive and you have to have there's an upkeep to it like it's so expensive it's now people are getting designs it could be $150 to get your nails done every two weeks can i just say that women are doing that for women because men don't care that just that that's one you know i do i have heard some men who are never the kind of

men that I've ever been attracted to, but they'll be like, oh, I like a girl who like puts effort into whatever, but I'm like, as long as you don't have like a burrito coming out from under your nail, like I'm pretty sure it's fine. Listen, I'm all open to criticisms about the male gaze. I'm not diminishing any of those discussions, but I will say that the nail pressure is not coming from the male gaze. The, the nail pressure is coming from women enjoying other women's nails. I do, there was a funny TikTok of a girl being like how you want your man to respond when you show him your nails. And it was the guy being like, oh, my God, that's incredible.

Because multiple times I'll be like, babe, do you like this nail color? And you just like blank, like you don't even have an opinion. And I'm like, oh, my God. This took me 30 minutes to pick a decision on. This wasn't for me. All right, this is, I think you're going to be mad at me for picking this, but maybe I'm wrong. Okay, so something that I think is a scam is. And I'm going to get probably shit on for this, but art.

And, okay, but I don't mean that in, like, the Mona Lisa. Like, the Mona Lisa is art, obviously, and that's beautiful and amazing. And there's so much challenge that went into that. But I'm talking about, like, a large red structure, like, that's, like, a vase or some shit. And people are like, oh, my God, this is, like, the best modern art I've ever seen. that is literally a poll that is literally the poll that I would put in my red room

like no like I don't know art modern art I should specify I should specify but yeah so thank you for listening I mean I think this is valid because I think a lot of art is bullshit and I think people are afraid to say it

well this is where like there's subjectivity that comes involved it reminds me of fashion where like you'll see something that's so ugly but they'll be like oh, but it's by this designer and it's $5,000. So it's like people earn the right to be like, it's because it's made by this person, it's expensive. It's like if a famous person signs a dirty sock,

they're like, well, this sock is worth this amount because this person did it. I guess that's kind of the, if you're in the art world, what you think. I know, but I'm not great at understanding why some art is good and some isn't. I'm admitting my ignorance here, but I would like to point out that Banksy,

who I definitely appreciate because of the nature of their critiquing while also creating, and a lot of Banksy's work, including Exit Through the Gift Shop, is basically pointing out how much of it is bullshit. But I think that there's not enough... Well, good art, I think, makes you feel something. Sometimes there's a story behind it.

Sometimes there's insane technique. I would love to see where they take like literal kids doing art and like people doing you know modern art and have experts see if they can pick what's like actual art wasn't there a story about that? Didn't we talk about that recently?

Well there I did watch a documentary about there was a guy in China who was just like imitating a lot of really famous art and it was passing as things I do think sometimes like a color that's why also I think more people should do their own artwork for their house and like granted I do like painting and I like creating but sometimes it's like if you're like oh it would look so good to have a modern like turquoise color right here like I want to normalize more like

painting I think it's it's therapeutic like journaling and sometimes that could be better or just like going on Etsy I love going on Etsy and finding something that's like affordable that someone made but you don't think art is bullshit I mean I don't think it's all bullshit but I'm glad I think certain art needs to calm down and like when it's so modern where it's just like a

just a blue square you're like okay I know but somehow you have to buy into that that's what so I thank you for giving us the license to say that some of that stuff is bullshit all right let's uh I have time for one more babe okay there's so many but I'm gonna have to go

with one of your favorite topic Okay. So the biggest scam in your 20s and 30s is wedding showers. Showers were invented when people didn't live together before they got married. Now everyone lives together for years before they get engaged. So why am I upgrading all your shit that you already have? It's honestly just root. And then let me give you a couple hundred dollars towards the party that you think. through yourself too. It's just insanity. This needs to end. Showers are a scam. You already have everything you need together. I just can't.

I actually think we have her for two, but she's got some nice New York energy. She's great because I was about saying, New York City, no one's fucking buying a house together. No one's buying a house that they're starting over from. They've all accumulated tons of forks. Also, no one needs China.

no one's ever needed china and let's i don't know when that became a thing back in the day but i think we need to evolve i didn't have a shower i understand if some people have had it because their parents made them or they're just like another excuse to party but like it just seems like so much it's so much extra capitalism wins again it's right yeah it is ridiculous actually that would be a fun episode to talk about all the things that used to be fancy and aren't anymore like china water for crystal. I don't know if it was a big for you, but like in the 80s,

it was like, it's a water fit crystal bowl, you know? You know, your mom would have to chime in on this, but there's probably other things that used to be like so fancy that aren't anymore.

Yeah, that no one would care about. That nobody cares about today, but used to be so essential. I do have one more note in terms of buying stuff. I think with clothes, we've had this weird period where clothes are either like so cheap

that you're actually wasting money because when you buy it, it like doesn't fit right or it like just doesn't last after one wash but then if you buy something that's like then designers like insane because you're like I could get something that looks just like this for $10 and you're charging like $200 so there's we're missing that kind of like in between quality even stuff that has like a good brand name is still kind of shitty if it's when it's like kind of affordable so I don't know clothes is a pain in the ass returning clothes pain in the ass

look life is a pain in the ass life is a and trust me we to close we got numerous messages saying either being born as a scam or life is a scam in other words like why am I stuck having to pay for all this shit I didn't ask to be here and we got enough from a lot of people not just one okay so you guys life is a scam and once you're self aware about that we can take it all less seriously

and realize it's all smoke and wearers everyone's scamming each other try to be easy on yourself and um and we're going to play we're going to place them out this is going to be one where we're going to place them out we'll place them out but this was really good you guys did great we guys are great on this one happy scamming um thanks for calling in and we love you guys so much uh thank you bye hey hannah and des love you guys okay um i don't know if this is like bad to say but i kind of feel like religion is a scam. Like, what is it ever used for that's good? Like, everything that it represents is supposed to be good, but I've never seen anyone who's like extremely into religion do anything,

but the opposite, like judge and harass you for existing because it's not in the way that you're supposed to um i don't know i feel like i got really nervous about the 60 seconds so i'm just i have absolutely said nothing so but yeah um hell satan i don't know okay bye taxiders are a scam hannah and does to me because you make money you know you get a salary and then what you actually get is taxed a bunch. You get less money. And then any time you want to go buy anything, you are once again paying taxes.

When does it, when do we get a break? Oh, never. Sorry. The Republican, no, I'm not sorry. The Republican in me is coming out with this. Taxes are a scam. I'm damn sick of it. Just like, I want to be able to make what I make

and not have to pay taxes on everything. You know, you pick up something. It's like, oh, it's five bucks, not that bad. You can check out, oh, it's $6, actually. You know, it doesn't seem like a big deal, but they know what they're doing because it adds up and it makes a difference. And it's rude. Hi, Hannah and Des.

Des, I loved your special. And Hannah, I'm super excited for yours to come out. Super happy for both of you. Love you both. What I think is a scam is sheets. Obviously not the fitted sheet. Like, you need that one. to cover your mattress but like the one that goes in between like you and the duvet like why what is that

there for i always just end up like kicking it down and it's just bunched up at the bottom of the bed that random sheet is like the uninvited third person in a threesome just like trying to try to wedge herself in there but i'm in a committed relationship with my duvet we are monogamous and we are not looking for a third. This is going to be so controversial, so you probably won't play it. But I think therapy is the scam. There are so many people who go in and they're like, oh, I didn't realize that this for my childhood is affected me now. I didn't realize this. I didn't realize this. It's all leading. Like, it just snowballs. And I think therapists just try to find something and related to a problem that you're having um so i think therapy is a scam but um i know i'm gonna get you for that

you might have to walk out my voice um and i love both of you Mike hi Hannah and does love the pod i think that one of the biggest scams are wedding venues i'm recently engaged getting married in 2025 and i obviously knew walking into my initial meeting that we were going to spend a shit ton of money on our place but literally all you have to do is ask to pay cash, they will give you a really big discount because then you don't have to pay taxes and highly also recommend having a crazy Italian mother-in-law that will just yell at them and make the man cry and get you all these free things. Love you guys. Thank you.