Berner Phone - Comments By Celebs: Instagram Entrepreneurship & Eating Carbs

Episode Date: January 23, 2019

Arguably the hottest and fastest growing Instagram account in the game right now is @commentsbycelebs. Known as the "modern day paparazzi", they post the funniest comments by celebrities from all over the internet. Founders Emma Diamond and Julie Kramer seem to have the dream millennial gig, but Hannah discovers all the insecurities, fears, and struggles that come with managing a viral Instagram account. LIVE SHOW (use the code BERN for 50% off): http://www.carolines.com/comedian/berning-in-hell-live-podcast/ Follow Hannah Berner on Instagram & Twitter: @beingbernz Follow Comments By Celebs on Instagram: @commentsbycelebs --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning and hell I'm your host Hannah Burnin Welcome to hell Today we have the masterminds Behind the Instagram account Comments by celebs

They're basically modern day paparazzi They have almost one million followers on Instagram But there's so much more they're also my friends I have Julie Kramer and I have Emma Diamond welcome thank you

thank you for having us we're so happy to be here so happy I'm also mad at you guys because you were late I just spent 10 minutes telling them I wasn't mad at them that they came like five minutes late

we were in football in panic mode but we made it here it's all that matters but I appreciate that you got stressed that you were late it's the thought that counts yeah it's the anxiety that counts thank you that's true

it's all for you I like that do you guys get anxiety Yeah. I mean, you're Jewish. I think we're Jewish. I think everyone does. It's rare to meet someone these days that doesn't have anxiety at least about one thing in their lives, you know? Do you find that your anxiety's increased since running a, how many followers do you got right now? Like 800,000? We're about 917. Okay. Try to get to a million by 2019. That's so exciting. Thank you.

So you guys graduated college. Where did you guys go to school? Syracuse. Both from Syracuse, yeah. I love that. I love that. Where are you from originally? I'm from Jersey. Uh-huh.

I'm from Connecticut. I love this, like, East Coast vibe we have right now. It's funny because after college, people are like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do to be successful? You guys have the dream, as in you've finished college and this thing just organically happened with your best friend, this Instagram account. But is it also, like, be careful what you wish for. I mean, yeah, in a sense, you know, there's, I think anytime you start your own business,

there's this pressure, right? where it's like it's up to you to make it versus when you're working for a company of course you have to perform but you're getting a salary and kind of the downfall is not on you and in this particular situation you know it's on us whether we make it or not so you definitely put a lot more pressure on yourself but do you like that pressure as opposed to like you having to deal with your boss and their moods every day oh yeah I love it I'm not at all complaining like I couldn't be happier I never thought that I would have a typical nine to five job so you kind of knew that you down I knew it I mean I was Julie graduated this year

year. So she really went. He's a little baby. I know. She is. I really am. So she really went right into this versus me. This is not my path. Like I was at Columbia. I thought I was going to be an executive coach. I was totally not. It's so funny that you wanted to be an executive coach. Did you feel like you had knowledge before experiencing? Like what is, what the fuck is an executive coach? Sounds like a consultant. I'm like, what do you guys do? Have you ever seen billions? Yeah. She's an executive coach in it. Yeah. The girl. Yeah. Yeah. Wendy. Uh-huh. Right. So I was getting my master's in social work.

And I was working in the South Bronx, like totally different than executive coaching. But I always thought I would get this degree and then I would go into executive coaching, kind of like my dream was to be the therapist to a CEO. Oh my gosh. I could see you do that. So how do you think that correlated with what you're doing now? Like is it two different sides of your brain or is it actually connected? In certain ways there's connected because I think that in so many ways, and Julie and I talk

about this all the time, there's so much like interpersonal communication that goes into having this, even just with the DMs, even meeting people, you know, you'd be surprised. you'd be surprised at some of the deep conversations we've gotten into with celebrities over totally like is there one that like kind of that you can talk about i don't i wish i'm sorry i know i love that though it's so like it's so secret it's so obnoxious to bring it up and that'd be like never mind we can't tell you tell us her deepest darkest secrets every night before she goes to sleep but i think it's funny that you have such a humorous account because you guys are hysterical both your individual Instagrams crack me up thank you but people don't like think about the kindness

that matters like the people who have such incredible fans which I think you guys do it's because like you're creating a real community not based on ego not based on like being better than anyone because of followers you actually are connecting no but that's important right that's really thank you that is completely our goal and so to hear you acknowledge it is really nice I could tell your business women first. Thank you. That is so how we want to be acknowledged and recognized, so I really appreciate that. I mean, we even, like you see on the account, we don't really post ourselves. People can be very judgmental immediately. Totally. Totally. And I think in a good way and in a bat, like not necessarily always bad. Like you want them to love the account for the

account first. Julie, wait, how did you get involved? Because I know it was Emma's original idea. So I was abroad at the time. Like I was in Tel Aviv and Emma text me and was like, but this is after like a little bit of while of us sending these comments back and forth to each because we had we had all acknowledged it just like and what is this date this is April 2017 okay so how long is that you a year in okay it'll be two years it'll be two years in April oh my god I know crazy and she was like I'm gonna make this Instagram account you want to do it and I was like yeah whatever and she was like no no seriously it's gonna be big why the fuck did you choose this girl no I love her but I'm saying I got it like there's so many people in the world you probably

have more than one friend and there's probably friends that are like funny as well. Totally. Why her? Not this funny. She's confident. I like that. She is. No, it's one. It's one totally because of her sense of humor. We are always laughing. And Julie's one of definitely one of the funniest people I know. But also, she's really smart. And to me, I have no patience to be working with with unintelligent people in terms of like if I'm building something. I want to be building it with someone who's also, you know, on that same wavelength. And she's quick. Like I needed someone who was quick to a sense of I can't, if I can't do a caption, I wanted someone to be able to do it, you know?

And is on brand with you. Like, I can't tell who's talking. Yeah. And that's really important. Right. You two are, like, aligned for sure. Thank you. We definitely, and I think we've become more aligned, the more we work together.

What's the worst part about having a partnership with one other person? You can call each other out. We can start a cat fight right now if you want. No. I mean, honestly, thus far, at least, we have had zero issues. But I think that the, honestly, and I can imagine if you're maybe in a situation where it's a business partner that isn't a good friend. And listen, there's, of course, a set of challenges that come with it being a friend for other reasons. But in our case, like, we have such a deep level

of, like, respect and love for each other aside from this, that it's really a really safe feeling because you know if something goes wrong. Like, we've had both of us, this year, I've had major personal things happen in our personal lives. And it was never a feeling of like, we couldn't rely on the other one to do it because we knew that they would just be there. I love that. You can't pay for that. Well, yeah, that safety and that trust is something that, like you can't just create or like pay someone a lot of money to give you no not at all totally what kind of stuff has happened in your personal lives that have affected the business or made it not ideal um you know I think in my sake at least like just health related issues with my family um and at that time you know

as much as of course this business is my life and I put everything that I have into it bottom line like my parents come first and if you follow emma she has the most adorable dad in the world and i think like the father-dad relationship is people are always like oh girls of daddy issues are oh i'm a daddy's girl it's so much more complex than that so much and like your love for him and his love for you is so adorable and he makes you laugh and i could tell you make him laugh too yeah i mean i you guys can be on there's no words i could say my i know everybody loves their dad but my dad seriously is the kindest human being in the world. Like he's just the gentlest soul and I just feel so lucky to be his daughter. I can't even. How does he feel about the business? He loves it. He's so

excited. He came to LA with us and which is like a per, okay, this is a perfect example. I'm going to tell the story. Okay. So we were in LA and we had a million business meetings and it was really exciting, but also really high stress because, you know, when you're meeting, when you're there for one week, every single day you're basically packed and you have to be on every single day. Yeah. And my dad came with us and he rented a car and he was basically our driver and one night we were going we actually were going to katsuya because they had made a comments by celebs role and which was so cool like we were so excited and we decided to stop first at the dispensary obviously because julia are very vocal about our love for marijuana we were in california like it's legal and we go in anyway

my dad like walked out first and we walked out and he passed out on the on the concrete and like my dad's had two heart attacks it's like a major I have serious PTSD from them. So when I saw him pass out, I obviously thought he was having a heart attack. I freaked out, whatever. And we ended up having to go to the hospital. I spent the whole night and the whole next day. But my point is that I had no doubt that Julie was going to take control of the account the entire. You know, like I was in the hospital with my dad. She was bringing me Nutrida makeup wife to take my makeup off. Like her and is, you know what I mean? And that doesn't happen with anyone. She's like family. She's a ride or die. She's a family. She's a ride or fucking die. And it's crazy

because I think back then, like, baby boomers and other generations that had that corporate ladder where it was very, like, cutthroat. Right. Like, I think this generation of especially millennial women are starting to understand, like, hey, together, we can do great things. And it's so beautiful that you too have realized, like, like your company would have been great just you, but it's even better with her.

Oh, my God. I have to agree. She's getting all the compliments today. I know. I haven't said a word. I know. She's just like, yep, yep, she has her glasses on, looks very smart, kind of intimidating me, to be honest. I could compliment Julie all day. I couldn't see more highly of her. Like, I love that. I could compliment Emma as well.

I wanted to talk a little more about why do you guys smoke weed? Are you high right now? No, no, no. Are you sure she looks low? I know. I do. I always look high. It's like my face. We've never done the podcast high, have we? One time it was a residual high. Oh, my God. Did it go badly? We did edibles. No, we did edibles the night before and it was like a hangover. I thought it went well, actually. I don't even remember which one of us. Yeah, I don't even remember. It's like writing an essay when you're really tired in college and being like, this is

or also really high in college. Or really high and then waking up and being like, did I forget what periods were? Right. Because there's no periods in this and I'm going to fail. Always. Why do you smoke? I don't know. You know, I'll say, I don't think a lot of people do it as like a means to cope with

their anxiety, which I've seen from, it definitely works. for me it was never that it was always more so i just enjoyed it i'm not a big drinker at all like alcohol doesn't agree with well with my body i'm the same i'm an eater i'm italian i want to eat yeah that too me too um and so weed it's just so fun we just laugh we love we laugh so much you come up with good ideas amazing i feel like the betches were high when they came up with bedges for sure they had to have they like smoking too yeah why would but it's funny because your account isn't something that you guys can like take a two-hour nap like explain what goes into day-to-day upkeeping this account just so you know I definitely take

multiple two-hour naps in a day I love that though because also past generations are like you got hustle and got to wake up at 5 a.m and millennials are like self-fucking care I need the mental health and energy to kill it at my business and if that takes a couple naps and a couple edibles that takes it so be it totally so what is your typical day well that's our big joke also is that like emma will take the morning shift and i'll take the night shift i love that i love that it's so funny it's true because let me give you an overview and then julie would get more down to love this look at this partnership already i love how you guys work she's like i'll take the beginning shift you take the next shift i wake up a lot earlier than julie just by nature like i'll wake up at 7 a

jealous and she does stuff in the morning like she goes to pilates and like it's i don't trust you anymore. Yeah, it's ridiculous. My REM sleep is at 7 a.m. ridiculous. First off, Julie, without being awoken, like, she could easily sleep to one, two. I just wasn't built like that. She's a grilling girl. Yeah. I fight. I need my energy. I'm like hibernating for the winter right now. It is the winter already. So, okay. Yeah. She's a hybrid. That's an excuse. She's hibernating all year. I'm a bear. She's reserving her energy for the apocalypse. Right. Right. Of course. Naturally. So you wake up at an ungodly hour. Yeah. And I, the first thing we always have to do every single day is check the DMs because we rely so heavily on our followers to send us comments. When we first started the account, we were living in the comment section. And now, not that we don't obviously, but we rely a lot on the followers. That makes me so happy because I was like, are these bitches seriously like just scrolling comments all day long? No. The DMs must be amazing. I mean, they're incredible. There's no way that we could maintain the, forget about the account, maintain the business aspect and the brand aspect if we were still.

living in the comments the way we used to because we couldn't be we couldn't even be doing booking the podcast yeah yeah I mean and also it only highlights like two celebs in the comments if you're scrolling and like you guys need more than that right and you want those like low key ones that people can't just see that's what makes your account better than just than me just scrolling down my Instagram right exactly um so we're you know that's the first thing and then throughout the day like we always say we always wish that there was a more efficient way to explain what we do because you would think there's two of us okay we'll split up but it's not we're both logged into the count. We're like, oh, did you see the one we just got? Do you think we should do it?

Like, explain the Ariana Grande one yesterday. It's constant. I don't even remember what happened. She was high. No, it wasn't high. I swear I wasn't high. I don't think I was. I'll start to explain it. You'll remember it. We got it as funny. It was a John Mayer, Paris Jackson, and Rita Orra commented on Diplo's picture. And it was funny. It wasn't newsbreaking, but it was just funny. And we wanted to post it. At the same time, we got in Ariana Clarifying. That she wasn't dating Ricky Alvarez. That's his name.

Her boyfriend. Yeah. So then it was just like, it's like, which one we post now which one goes in the roundup which one can be first the roundup and forfeited for the sake of yeah yeah and would you ever just post too like at once yeah yeah we have we have it was just like we know that this is probably going to break news and we know the diplo is how many analytics do you guys use or just do you use your gut i would say 99.9% our gut oh yeah i love that because your gut is different than other people's guts which makes it unique yeah that is very true i mean i think you feel that way about your own personal brand as well 100% i posted me um eating a hot dog

and I have this joke of like you know how you feel uncomfortable eating a hot dog or banana in front of straight guys yeah but it's never like talked about so I do this thing with like how to eat it and it's like me aggressively biting it like a psycho right and I posted it and I lost like 50 followers and I was like you know what

I don't care because I actually like this is me so I'd rather lose it and then like gain them later then take it down and as you do that you almost like clear the people that aren't in it for you like what they liked one of my fart tweets once okay like you're not going to listen to my podcast or like watch my videos so I kind of yeah I go with my gut but if something I'm like half ass in and then people I lose some followers from it I'll take it out right do you guys ever delete when things

aren't doing well very rarely well very rarely we tweet when it's not doing well if it's like something that's like we did it and it's people are angry about it then we'll put yeah yeah you don't know what'll trigger people and sometimes oh my god we got For example, last night, 50 cent commented on Cardi's video saying, like, you know, cute outfit, but come on, Cardi, like, don't get that divorce. Get back with him. He misses you about offset. It was something like that. It was funny in the sense of like 50 cents out here giving Cardi B marriage advice on Instagram. That just is funny. But you know that if we post, and we were saying it solely from the sentence. We wanted to make the caption something like, 50 cent, marriage counselor, like whatever. Meanwhile, we knew people were going to be like, how could you even condone this? He cheated on her. Obviously, we don't support offset cheating. cardiac you're not condoning anything we just know we've gotten to know like what they're going to react to for the most part and then sometimes they really catch us off guard and or sometimes like a couple people comment and it like other people will read it and get on board with them it takes like a couple strong comments yeah i really understand it's incredibly frustrating you have to disconnect

yeah especially because we make such a conscious effort to not be you know to be sensitive across all like across in every single light do it's really hard when people don't get your sense of humor because you like especially because we get each other's sense of humor so well that like once you step outside the circle it's so frustrating when people don't have that same like you're right and also there's a difference between when you can like say a joke to someone's face and give a smile and say it in your like tone versus the caption do you agree that's gotten to the point that I think we're in a little bit of a bubble where like there's so many fashion bloggers that do the same shit that I think brands are going to start being like if you're not like really really big it's not actually

helping us that much right I don't know it's there's going to be changes I think in the monetization of influencers I agree I agree I agree like we used to click on stuff more I feel like well now you're right it's become so our feeds have become so saturated with certain things yeah why for us it's like when we do ads which we haven't done too many on our actual page at all but in the future like some of the ones we're building they're creative yes you know like one of the ones I talk about yes yes uh-huh ask see you girl um not to get dark but do you guys have like a fear with the account like what's your biggest fear And I love I said not to get dark, but to get dark.

We're in hell after all. I know. I forgot. It's so bright in here. I forgot. It's the morning. Feels like home. Okay.

Let me say, I think the reason that we're both having a hard time coming up with something immediately is because we spent, I'm much more spiritual than Julie, and I always say we have, right? Yeah. It's ridiculous. And I always say we have to manifest what we want. So we spend so much time talking about our goals and what we're, excited for that we never really talk about our fears yeah i'm going to cry that was so beautiful it's

actually a thing if you if you fill your brain with positive like images of what you want the future versus filling it with fears of the future you live differently i mean completely why do you think you're so young and already have that mindset i think because of my mom she just really instilled a lot of that in me. She was like a very, a very positive light. And, you know, it's also, think about when you meet, think about in your life the people that you've met. I would be willing to bet nine out of ten times the people that you like the most are the people that you feel good when you're around because you feel like they're exuding positivity. Nobody wants to be around a negative person. No. And it's really hard to not be negative when you're thinking negatively. Yeah. So it's a lot.

And negativity spreads like a virus. Like fucking wildfire, you know. And so it's like if you're thinking negative then like you're going to be doing negative it's like i learned this thing in tennis your brain doesn't process negatives so if i'm about to serve and i'm thinking don't double fault don't double fault my brain just hears double fault and i'll double fault but if you're just out there and you're like i'm gonna hit an ace i'm gonna hit an ace it's it's just like ace ace ace ace so it's it's i like to give sports analogies because that's what i grew up with but it's the same thing if you're constantly thinking of the future you literally don't have time for fear really what are you what are you thinking I don't I don't know I feel like I feel like there isn't a ton of fear with it right now I mean

listen if Instagram shut down tomorrow we'd have some big issues yeah but I don't know have you been thinking of like if there is a new platform that comes out how you would you jump on it and just like start getting involved or you're pretty confident in Instagram right now I feel confident in Instagram I feel confident in Instagram 100% that's not to say that we are not going to expand to other platforms because we definitely are but it's where we started and it's where our core will always be so it's time to play a game that's good games and it's called instaumosity okay i'm interested in what you think because you heard i heard that celebs will reach out to you too i don't mean this in a negative way but like who's a really like funny thirsty celeb that loves to be on the page i think let me clarify

I'm not saying he's thirsty. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. But I think that someone who really gets behind it and like loves it is Gus Kenworthy. I was going to say that. Oh my God. He's so hot.

He's first off. Him and his and his boyfriend. Yeah. I would have a reason with them. His boyfriend just followed. I know. His boyfriend just followed us and we were like. He's really funny too.

Yeah. They're funny and that he gets it and he's on it and it's really fun. So he's obviously like one of the most athletic people in the world. He's gorgeous and he's funny. Like what? He's kind of guy I want on the podcast to be like, what keeps you up at night motherfucker because you're perfect yeah you should have them on yeah i'll just i'll dm him um wait i love that and you like his stuff he's on brand yeah oh my totally

like did you see the one he posted the funniest picture of or no his boyfriend posted a picture of them in bed and uh the boy from me the caption like it was so many boy from me the caption like i don't even know who took this picture and he comments like yo at zach afron did you take it on your way out i love that it was funny i love when a couple like really gets each other's humor and you work off each other. Totally. That's some fucking chemistry right there. Number two, do you guys have any accounts that you envy on Instagram?

Yeah, I have one. Norie's Black Book. Have you seen that? No. It's like, it's so good. It's all from like Northwest point of view. And she just breaks on everything and it's so hilarious. Wait, that's hysterical.

How do I not know that? You have to look it up. You will die. You're aging me. I feel like on the ground. I was like, what's the cool kid's looking at? I'm 27, I'm not that old, but like, you make me feel old. I love that because it's Kardashian.

It's so good. Do you know the person who runs it? No, I don't know who it is. I love that. She's anonymous. Yeah. What is the Instagram handle so people can follow? Norie's Black Book.

Norie's Black Book. I love it. Lastly, now get dark again because it's where I like to be. What triggers you on Instagram to make you feel depressed when you're scrolling? Like a negative energy. I think that, you know, something we had to train ourselves to and I do not think this was conscious. We never actually spoke about it. But as part of the deal of this account, we know that we're spending an ridiculous amount of time on Instagram, way more

than your average person. And as a result of that, you are seeing things all day that maybe you wouldn't want to be seeing. Yeah. Whether that's, it's an influx of so much content. It's an influx of so much content. Whether that's you're having, you're feeling, you know, not feeling the best about yourself and you see a girl with like a killer body or whether you are like, I'm not speaking necessarily from my perspective. I'm just saying like these are things like you're feeling bad about your relationship and you see a really happy couple and it can go or you like hate your job and someone's just like chilling on an island making money off Instagram and you're like I'm going to go fuck myself all of those types of things I personally have made a conscious effort to say like okay

if I'm going to be spending this much time here I need to filter this out of my brain somehow and I genuinely try to not get effect like I if I find myself getting affected I say to myself no you're not falling into this trap and I have the conversation it's something I talked about with my therapist because it's it's so normal how would you not We're human beings. Yes. Don't get mad at yourself for getting those feelings, but then, like, don't trust them. Don't be like, oh, now I have to go into dark hole because my brain thought that.

It's like, no, your brain just having a reaction. You don't have to hate yourself because you saw a girl that, like, you envy her butt or something. Right, right. And also, you know, recognizing that what we see on Instagram is just, like, I know everybody says it, but the more you read about it and stuff, it's just not real. Like, there's just no way. And, like, recognizing that. about it like this. If you have 25 negative days and two positive days, you are most likely going

to post on Instagram about the positive days. No one's going to post when they're like depressed in their bed and they can't stop eating ice cream. They're going to post when they're on vacation in St. Barts with the gorgeous few because that's normal. But you have to think just because they're posting, think about everything they're not. And we only see that everybody else is like hyper positive, which is why celebrities that are vulnerable and are honest about their struggles really get so well respected because it's like, wow, I connected with that. Who's a celebrity that recently helped you feel good about that? Like, this is not, it wasn't that I have the same issue, but Sarah Highland recently came out about her health struggles. And she's had, she's 27 years old. She's had 16

surgeries before the time she was 27. I had no idea. Yeah. It's crazy. She has, um, she had kidney failure. Her dad gave her a kidney and then her brother. And so she's affected her family. So that was one of the things. She said, she's like, you know, when you, when you have a family member give you a kidney and it fails, you feel like you are a failure. And it was so, like emotional listening to her talk and she showed her scars she took and you know you think sarah highland she's the most bubbly gorgeous confident and like she to me it's like oh my god her she's a beautiful body and she took off her shirt and showed how she her her insecurities about her own body that like i never would think i don't look at her and then you think of times that you've looked at her and been like

she's perfect and you realize oh my brain is playing tricks on me right right she and it was just so good for her it was so good for her like she got she got so open about the fact that she was actually like contemplating suicide during all this going on because she felt like she was such a burden for so many years and you know the worst thing is when they keep it a secret I'm like getting chills but when you keep it a secret it becomes bigger like you have this big secret that but when she probably feels amazing that she let it out and people like are accepting her so much it's like coming out the closet with something completely and I think the way millennials aren't fucked is us consciously like talking about it like this and being like as long as we know shit is not real it's a highlight real

right and we can enjoy each other's highlight rails but don't let it fuck with your head yeah and you have to consciously tell yourself that constantly right totally you guys are so you probably get this all time but you are very mature for your age thank you you are you are 20 to 25 I'm still in the thick of it like your 20s I think are terrible but like 20 or 25 like I was lost how old are you 27 oh really yeah how old do you think I am I thought you were like our age honestly yeah thanks i have a young vibe about yeah yeah you do you do well i have like a i like to keep i always try to be like the hannah that i was when i was seven i like that like it sounds crazy no i like dark times and my mom's been like i miss little hannah like why are you trying to be

so serious or why are you trying to be so like not yourself right my mom used to go to this chinese healer and he used to tell her that it should be everybody's goal to live like a kid in the sense that when you are so youthful, it's almost like you're living in bliss and you don't take in any of the negatives. And of course, it's unrealistic as you get older because there's taxes and there's real life stuff. But being able to maintain that kid mentality as much as you can is like. Yeah, I heard someone talk about that. Like I want my kids to live like a happy childhood like I did. And it's like, well, you don't act like it's dead. You're still that person. You still have that heart. I mean, obviously we're jaded as fuck by the time we get 27. But

you're still have to find that little girl who's not jaded and have those moments. Julie, why are you less spiritual, or what do you do to cope? I don't know. What do you think? I think just in general, our personalities are different in the sense that, like, I am much more open and in touch with my emotions than Julie is. Admittedly so. It's like a joke among our friends.

But she probably helps you. I was also brought up in the sense of, like, everything was so talked about. And I was an only child, and it's really different when you're brought up as an only child because you're the only game in town my dad when I say that like and so everything any feeling that you have you just immediately talk about it and so I as I got older like I took on that role that my parents took on with me with other people like I if someone if I can sense that someone's had I want to talk to them about it when I was young I didn't even know what I was suppressing yeah like not that you have a ton of shit no no no no no

she does I mean I'm not to project but like I didn't even know the issues I had and it took like a really bad breakup for me to like see a therapist and they're like it's not about the guy like you didn't you're not how to plot twist let me tell you a little secret it's never about the guy it's never about the guy yeah also when my friends told me something really enlightening she was like if a guy ever makes you feel crazy like get out because you're not crazy not only are you not crazy when someone makes you feel crazy what they're trying to do is they're trying to isolate you in your mind and like make you think it's you and that is such a sign of like an abusive relationship yeah because with the right person you should actually feel at home and come mm-hmm and that's what they always say is like the when you can be your complete authentic self unfiltered unapologetic not even thinking before you speak that's when you know you know i was i was literally in a relationship where i would like still question like text i would send and it was like how long a year and it was like because he wasn't giving me that affirmation but he was telling me like i love you i love you so i started to feel crazy i'm like i'm sabotaging and then i realized like oh i've always wanted

to impress my dad with tennis and like i put him on a pedestal and i was like doing the same with a guy who was wrong for me yeah so so i literally had to work through my tennis drama with my dad for me to like be at peace i mean it makes so much sense and i can totally really not with that but with certain things it always sounds from childhood i mean let's be honest yeah yeah and that's why if you can like love that little girl and be that little girl that's where like the happiness comes because that little girl didn't like mean to it wasn't her nothing was your fault nothing was your fault it's up but like nothing was your fault and he also never meant anything most kids I mean I'm speaking and even your parents like

they didn't mean to do anything like my dad just like was obsessed my tennis and we like had so many highs and lows together and I had to learn how to like understand that completely once you recognize and it's not true for everyone because everybody isn't like this but that most people don't have malicious intent like they're they're they have a lot of things that are fucked up within themselves you know what I mean they're not trying to they just project you're also happier when you don't immediately assume fuck that person you're happier when you're like oh my god I'm a mirror for them and I'm reminding them about stuff they haven't worked on I'm triggering them because of their past then you like just have more love around you and it's again like fulfilling your head

with that like manifestation of love and not like well fuck that dude and fuck that person and I hate that and I hate myself and then just like oh so why do you doing completely then you're affecting the person next to you on the subway then you're yelling at the person on the subway for no reason for no reason it's so true when I was at social work school and one of the things they talked about is like you may have a client and they may walk in and you may sense a real sense of hostility towards you and don't take that personally because many times you'll start to learn what the reason is and like one of my professors gave an example of finally after three sessions that came out that she reminded her the therapist the way she looked reminded her of her

abusive aunt and it had nothing to do with the therapist it was literally because you know and you so so because she got that out of her probably helped her work on some shit yeah and also the therapist didn't discount her immediately she recognized let's talk she wasn't like we're not good together this isn't working no because you have to take your ego out of it like it's to think that it's only you is so narcissistic this person has lived however many years of their life I'm trust me something in their life is maybe reminding them of you it's not just you let's not get ahead of the reason you guys are going to go really far is because your ego's not involved i'm telling you that right now like you're going to go really far thank you i love it it's time to play the seven deadly sins this is how we're going to end

seven deadly sins are you ready no what are you greedy about oh everything holy fuck what am i not greedy what being right being right yeah you're stubborn oh my god so stubborn but it works with emma because she like because she's um what's the word compassionate yeah she doesn't see it as like rude she sees it as like that's you yeah right emma what do you about i'm very i'm a perfectionist like i need creative control in a lot of ways i'm the same way i really do i i i it takes me a i i don't know if this greedy is the right word but it takes me a lot to make some allow someone else to make a decision okay julie what's your biggest insecurity physically or emotionally. My God, we're really getting deep here. This is like, this is what happened. If you can sense

me right now, I hate this. She's literally like, where else could I go right now? If she knew what was about to go down, it would have been just me. It probably would have been. This is my fucking Super Bowl. I could talk about this stuff. You do not understand. Let me say, I'll be two minutes at Starbucks. Next thing you know that the like, barista is telling me about like their, their grandfather's like deep, I actually didn't know this that much about you. Like, I knew your vibe, but I didn't know how passionately you were about talking about this. Now, stop. Stop trying to get away from... You could say emotionally, too.

I'd rather say physically. Yeah, physically. What are you insecure about? By the way, she's beautiful. So beautiful. But what are you insecure about? I don't know. My torso.

I hate my torso. Oh, my God. Wait, why do you hate your torso? It's really small. It's really short. There's not a lot of growth. Like, you know what I mean? But you can like...

No, no, no. You have long legs. Yeah, I have long legs. And you can wear a crop top and it's not... Well, no. Not really. Okay. Well, I mean, I guess.

I guess in theory I could if I wanted to. I don't know if you guys can tell, but I have the longest torso in the world. Like I will be dating guys who are like 6-3 and we sit down and we're the same height when we sit. And I'm 5-7. Like my torso is so long that if I wear a crop top, it looks like a bra. But that's what I want. I want a long torso. Mine is so short.

It's fine. But then I also, someone told me in college I had little legs and I didn't know that. But now I think it's, I just have a long torso. No, I have little legs. I have little legs long torso. Do we hear ourselves right now? Like this is what I'm saying. we have

well I didn't I wasn't going to say she made me say it what kind of torso are we even supposed to have long I want long legs and a little torso what are I doing with my torso there's not like an inch of space in between where my boob ends and my hip starts that's so funny my hip is here

and my boob is here that's this what's funny is there's no real wrong torso no just better more a little beer than you guys that that's that boob thing I love that Yeah, it's like, why don't girls who need boob jobs and girls who want a boob production just bend on themselves a little titty? Teamwork. Okay, Emma.

Yes. What is your biggest insecurity physically or emotionally? I think that just physically, like I just struggle with what a lot of other girls struggle with, which is like body image and the sense of like I, I'm really confident. I'm a really confident person. Like, I like the way I look. I look in the mirror and I'm happy, but I'm incredibly. incredibly critical of myself when it comes from like a body perspective at times also your perfectionist self like

your body there's no like perfection with bodies so it's like it's pretty much an uphill battle if you're going to have that perspective always if you've ever had eating issues when you recover from eating issues it's like it's just something you don't think about anymore right so that's what happens with your body when you accept it is like it's just not part of the agenda in your head the best advice my therapist ever gave me was that we are not bodies with souls we're souls with bodies I don't want to cry. Isn't that so beautiful? I'm crying.

You guys are getting real emotional today. It's true, though. It's like they're just, it's just what's housing us. I swear to God I'm not high right now, but do you ever look in the mirror and you're like, who is this outside thing covering my soul? Yes, I think about, like, literally never. I have literally never. I wanted to agree for the sake of just I have never. I have.

I swear to God, I have. I do that all the time. I actually don't look in the mirror. lot. Like I didn't brush my hair this morning. I like, I just look to check there's not like mascara all over my face. But I really like to disassociate from how I look. That is a beautiful thing. And I like to just like feel. Like I like to just vibe. But overall like I have an okay. Like I'm like I'm good with this. And now let's worry about other shit. It's because when I was little, my parents never talked about like being pretty. It wasn't like a thing that was talked

about. And like my mom is beautiful. My grandma's gorgeous. But it wasn't what was valued in my household. It was about like sports. So I have my issues with sports, but I don't have issues with like body image. My parents always said, you know, your brain is the most important and it wasn't like they value. Oh no, but it's like. But it was always like, oh, my beautiful, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. My dad is a sports psychopath. My grandpa was like a basketball coach and like he had, he was tossing me like rolling me working on my hand eye coordination, rolling tennis balls at me when I was like two. It was all that was talked about is like, oh, you see Hannah on tennis court so like it made me crazy about it right right it was all that was my ego my ego

wasn't my looks i mean it makes total sense obviously so i said in childhood 100% um moving on now that you're making me open up again um what are you gluttonous about julie oh my god i just i food carbs carbs okay carbs okay carbs yeah yeah everything yeah everything no literally everything we both fucking love carbs and like i love that was a good f bomb yeah yeah fucking that's That could also be a title for the steps. I have fucking love carbs. What are you gluttonous about? I mean, the thing with the difference between Julie and I is, I'm the same way.

I fucking love carbs, but I just have, she doesn't have, she has other issues. Like, she has way more emotional issues than I do. But I have, no, it's true. But I have way more, like, body images. Like, I'm in the sense of, like, all, like, I will be so mad at myself for, like, eating a piece of bread. Where it's like, she'll eat and she doesn't really think about it. Yeah. I have zero self-control.

Like, that's what it is. Yeah. If there's something in my house, I have to eat it. But also, you don't, it's not like you're thinking. No, no, I know. Like you won't get mad at yourself after. No. Or she won't think about it all day.

Unless I eat like a stupid about it. Right. You're like, unless if I'm worried that my heart's going to stop beating. Yeah, which is, which has happened multiple times. When was the last time you guys experienced extreme anger? Anger is like such a toxic. Toxic emotion. I really try not to.

I think that, I think so many. is stem from emotions like I think internalization is the root of all disease so I love that yeah so I really we try not to get angry um it was someone see how mad she just got yeah it was someone I'm not I'm not getting into the specifics but it was basically someone uh messaged us and with like a very long oh fuck that I'm not I'm not getting into it but about uh the way they thought that we did something wrong on the on the podcast and um it was like the opposite it was like literally five no not five a hundred people gave us positive feedback and like this one person and she wasn't negative about it in the sense like she was really open to have a dialogue and she wasn't like totally criticizing us but the points that

she were making were so invalid like factually invalid to the point where i literally said to julie you got to hold me back so i'm about to fucking lose my shit so i sent a really long message back and i explained everything and she kind of apologized was it over dm? It was over DM and then I ended up moving to another medium to email because it was too long. And it ended up being fine, but I was really pissed off. And the other thing, which is like a far less deep one that we get so mad about is when people are like, why don't you make a separate account for the Kardashians? Like we post one Kardashian thing and they're like, we don't want to see this.

It's like, listen, bitch, the Kardashians are the most famous public figures right now. We probably forfeit upwards of 30 comments weekly to make sure that this audience that we have that it doesn't like them. we don't post too much of them when there's a funny fucking comment they are celebrities get over it if you don't ever want to see them don't follow us i would be lying if i said we're never going to feature them also i love her they're like just make another account like oh yeah yeah just we just have another account on our phone we physically can't it will not let us add i love that so much oh my god but i love what you said true that i used to get a lot of stomach aches and everyone was like you might be lactose intolerant you might have like ibs or whatever i'm lactose

I mean I might be sensitive but the point I never had like I'll eat ice cream and be fine and then I'll like eat pizza and get a stomach egg but then I like pizza next day and be fine so like I never I'm not an idiot I'm 27 and I can't target what it is it's just anxiety of course it is it's just anxiety as is everything and sometimes like I'll get I'll gain some weight like a lot of like water weight and stuff just because I'm like stressed and I don't feel like free to you're lucky you have that torso though the torso elongates yeah most of my I'm going to pair shape. Most of it goes right in the booty. Yeah, I'm SpongeBob.

Shut up. When was the last time you were a sloth? I was a what? Sloth. What is that? Lazy. Oh, every day. I'm the laziest person I know. How many hours do you actually spend on Instagram because I know it counts? I can tell you. I have my screen time. She does. I don't tell you. Whatever is hers is I'm sure mine's the same. We're bringing up the receipts right now. We're bringing up the receipts. I was pretty lazy this weekend. I am on Instagram. It says nine hours a day. Nine hours is a lot.

Nine hours is a lot. And it says nine hours and 55 minutes. So I guess that's 10. But it's also your business. It's funny because my dad will yell at me like, get your phone. I'm like, where do you think I get inspiration for my videos from what's going on in pop culture? You're building a brand. Let's end with a little bit sexy.

When was the last time you lusted over someone? Oh. Relatively recently for me. I mean, I guess what do you define that as the definition of lust? Someone got you going. You were into it. Yeah, I would say relatively recently. for me relatively recently it takes a lot first off by the way I have no problem talking about this either it's not it's not a celebrity um but I I like recently it takes a lot for me to orgasm like I am I not to say that oh you can say whatever the fuck you want okay it like takes a lot for me to orgasm in the sense of like not I don't really sleep around a lot just not because I judge girls like do at all solely because for me I have to have some form of a connection and you have to be very comfortable mentally to orgasm super comfortable and I didn't even read

recognize how how comfortable I was because it was someone relatively new. And I like did and I like looked back. I was like, hmm, people come into your lives at different times for different reasons, you know, like. And you might have known him in a past life. Not trying to get crazy right now, but I'm just saying. Me, are you kidding? I'm like the, yeah. Do you think me and you knew knew each other in past life? I'm sure we did. Also, you have after else, we'll do your chart and see how outlined we are astrologically. I'm going to orgasm from you saying that. When's your birthday? I'm a Leo, August 12. Oh, you're a Leo. I do well with Leo's actually. What are you? I'm a Libra. But my. Yeah.

and my cousin are both. Yes, we're good together. What are you? Scorpio. Okay. You wouldn't think we do well, but her moon and rising are very, she's also a cancer moon like me. I'm a Scorpio. You know when somebody says something and you feel like you have to excuse it?

Like, this is my friend. She's really nice if you get to know her. Like that's what Emma does on my side. And she's like, she's, because no one asks me if she's not there. And I'm like, yeah, I'm a Scorpio. She's like, but do not worry. We just joke that Scorpio gets such a bad rap. I did a Scorpio who was amazing and he never stung me.

Yeah. he was great i love it you're like this is my friend she's really weird but you'll like her um finally then we'll do a whole horoscope one okay we'll see if people like it it turns some people off but that's what i use when guys hit on me who i don't want to talk to totally i'm like oh you're virgo we're not going to be compatible sorry yeah um what do you guys do to cope with your hell what's one piece of advice you'd give to listeners who are inspired to like start a business or like just live in their life in their 20s or older and want to learn about millennia's like what do you do to cope with your hell it's super cliche but i'll explain what i mean so people always say like you're supposed

to stay true to yourself right and obviously that's in theory an amazing thing and how amazing would it be if we all could but i think that the reason when you're starting a business and stuff it's so important is because you're going to have a lot of critics not necessarily of you but of the idea or of the fact that you're branching out on your own and the only thing that's going to get you through that is if you have such a deep sense of like self-trust and the only way to have that is you have to be so in touch with yourself because you know you can't trust your gut if you're not sure if it's coming from like a sound place so if you do the work first to fully be in touch with who you are and you're like i know myself i know i did the work to know that the distance i'm making i'm actually making them because i'm in an

off mindset i'm not making them because this guy broke my heart i'm making them because this is me and i know me it's so liberating you know it's funny i really need to hear that Last night, I was peeing, and I made a goal to myself, and I was like, let's try to stop asking people if what you're feeling is valid. Yes. But I want to be okay with not having to have people tell me it's okay. Totally, because you have to trust not only yourself, but also your higher self. Like, your higher self knows.

And that's not your ego. It's not your ego. You have to take your ego out of it to find your real truth. Sensei, Sensei Emma, that's what I call her from now on. She is. So I, like this blew me away because I literally went in like, oh, I'll talk to them about comments by celebs and like, but like I understand your dynamic so much more. I feel like Julie needs like a week to recover from this. Probably.

She is so traumatized. But Emma, like you are incredibly open with me. So thank you. And having comments by celebs in hell was so much fun. Thank you.