Berner Phone - Guys Next Door: Losing Your Virginity & Unlearning Everything

Episode Date: April 10, 2019

Mack Wilds (The Wire), Mouse Jones, and Flyry venture to hell together. They discuss their deepest emotional insecurities, when Mack lost his virginity, talking during sex, the difficulty of music industry, why black men don’t cheat, their opinion about the Kardashian empire, farting in your sleep, granny panties, bad hand jobs, and how to appreciate your hell. Follow Guys Next Door on Instagram: @guysnextdoor_ Follow Hannah Berner on Instagram & Twitter: @beingbernz --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Hell Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You guys know where we are right now? It's hot. We're in the dark depths of hell. Oh, shit, man. And I'm here with Mouse Jones.

Yeah. Why say my name first when we say we're in hell? because you're the devil You're going to go there first You are very defensive right now Because like Everybody tried to kill me the past two days Who's trying to kill you

She's a photographer killed me yesterday If you play fuck Mary kill Someone's gonna get killed What you're gonna kill? You All right whatever I'm gonna have fuck y'all Moving on

Y'all not invited to my party over here We got Fly Rye That's your boy I didn't die in that scenario You're kind of like the pretty boy though I see that then we got we got mac wilds who i'd argue is also a pretty boy oh thank you thank you i'm trying to fuck i'm ugly i'm just saying i'm just saying i'm about to flip mouse why you're being so

defensive i don't like pretty boys i like guys who have like a little you know they could take a punch you know oh mouse could definitely take it now you call him my friend's pussy yeah where we at you're we're in hell that's what we are yeah we're hell for sure now so my audience might know Mac Wilde, because he was a star of the Adele music video. Yes, yes. When that shit dropped, did you guys think Hello was going to be that hot?

Honestly? Nah. I knew it. When we did it, I don't even think she knew. It was one of those situations where I think everybody was excited because it's her first song back. It's been years. You know, she had the child. Everything was going on in her life.

But nobody, not even her label, could estimate the impact. The second I heard that song, it shook me and changed my life. Yeah, changed me. You didn't like Hello by Adele? I loved this, but it didn't change my life. The video changed our life.

Video made us more poppy. That's my guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's my man. That's my man. Screenshots all over Twitter. Wait, why do you think, so Mac obviously is on the wire too. Why do you think she chose you, did you remind you, did you remind her of her ex? No.

Like, what's why you? No. Adele was with this world It was actually it was Partly the director The director Xavier Dolan shout out to my man's He said he had a conversation with her

Like okay I want to do this video where it's It's more acting than just Music video stuff and We need somebody who's an actual Actor and she's like well let's get somebody from London Or whatever he's like nah I actually have An idea about this kid Tristan Wilds from

He was on 902 and O She was like oh my God Dixon. I love 902. She was like, oh my God. Yes, she was. Now,

a lot of people don't know, but her first, her first U.S. placement of her song was on 902 and O. What? For chasing pavements. So we kind of have that. You are connected.

Your universe is worth crossing paths a little. That's cool. And also, this kid, Mack, aka Tristan, AKA. A.K.A.M.A. Mac. Was Grammy nominated or some shit? Yeah.

So I'm having him on the Keys today. He's going to be doing some sound effects. So if it's weird, it's just the devil having fun, you know? The devil is trying to make some beautiful music. I'm glad you referred to the devil as a proper person. No, because it's you. It's you. It is you.

And these guys are on because they were very kind to put me on their podcast. Yes. Guys are your. We were blessed to have you on our place. Stop it. Flymer likes to flirt with me. Flyer likes to flirt with me. Look, y'all got a hair cut right now.

That's, look, that's what God is in fucking hell the first place. Exactly, right? Jesus, Christ. And you guys, your chemistry's so undeniable. You obviously get along. But what brought you guys together? Why each other? And you could throw each other under the bus, too.

Like, you got caught with the wrong person sometimes. No, I think I- That's all it was. They came to them, and then they thought to throw me a bone. But Mouse is a host. Mouse has seen some shit. Hold on. He's not a host.

Can I gas you up a little bit? Please. He is the top host and not to just. top hosts in New York City anymore. He's probably one of the top hosts in the country. Now, ain't even one of them. It's just me. Hold on, hold on. Do your thing.

Do your thing of it? Who are you? Mouse Jones, the best host in America, aka the BT's resident Rebel Rouser, aka the man that puts the Juxon's Jackson position. A.K.A. is time to get these old niggas out of here. There we go. There we go. That's what I like to hear, brother.

Come on, you got to talk. Point blank. I mean, who host them better than me. But it's true. When you guys are together, You need someone who's kind of running the ship. And I think that mouse does a good job of he's hosting. He could do it in his sleep. And then we got Mac. He got his suave shit going on. And then Fly Rye is the only person that will respond to an email.

That is essential. That is true. What else you bring into the table? Who told you that? I just, you know, who's giving out our secrets? I've never seen Mouse Jones reply to my email. You want. Who does?

Your boy. Your boy. Somebody has to respond to said something up. I do. I do. I feel like we came together. Yeah, can you actually answer the question? We talk a lot of shit.

But it's not just shit like just bullshit. We talk a lot of real shit. So when we come together, we laugh a lot. We joke a lot. But the majority of the times, we talk about real life personal shit. Do you know that real shit is my favorite? And that's why I want you guys on

because I don't have time for that small talk bullshit. No, we don't do that. We're New Yorkers here. You know, we don't have time to play nice for no reason. Your money is not to be real. You got to be real, man. And so we came together. we talked about it um it took a little while to get together but we're here now so i want to get

dark because like obviously you guys you know you're doing big things we're going places yeah people are loving guys next door yep but i'm gonna get to some like stuff that people don't know about you aka let's talk about insecurities because i'm not gonna lie walk in and all you guys got your shit together you're feeling you're feeling yourselves i get sensitive testosterone in the room and i'm like i need to break them down i need to put them in their place she sounds she's She sounds like a wheezy on the episode. She's trying to peg us. Want to be pegging us and shit.

And his women history, we gotta watch out, said. Well, I like mouse because I know that he's very, he loves women. Yeah, love him. And I know that fly right likes women because of how he looks at me. And I know that Matt likes women.

He's like, you know, you know. That's why I'd really be answering them emails. We don't got to discuss what's already in the show. He went to college in Indiana, be safe, though. Oh, shit, I went to Wisconsin. I was at Purdue, you know? That's for you. You got a good degree.

I went to Purdue has a good business school. Yeah, I'll tell you some business. You know what business? Okay. I'm about to throw up. God. I'm about to throw up. Man.

I want to start with Mouse because you are a smooth talker. I would argue you light up a room. You could, in one-liners, you can get people laughing. Thank you. Do you ever have insecurity when you're on stage in your hosting? No. Like, it's what you're meant to do. That's what I'm supposed to do.

I have insecurities where I'm, I probably have my most insecurities where I'm not on stage or not in front of a microphone, stuff like that. When I'm not engaging with people, that's probably when, if ever, I have any insecurities. What are they? Um, I don't know. I don't really give too much credence to them. Probably just an inadequacy. That was a cruel one.

Jesus Christ. Jesus. They're going to put a guy's next door. We're in hell right now. Goodness gracious. I like that. I like that word. But, yeah, that's right.

I don't know what it means, but I like it. Credence. Credit, credit, giving credit, giving. But he's true. Don't give energy to those negative. I just don't because I have done that. And the type of person I am, I get sucked into that. And I'm not a good.

Can you give me one specific thing that you are insecure about? And it could be physical. It could be mental. I think it's all, nothing physical. I can't do nothing about that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm 5'8. I can't grow.

So, you know what I mean? Like, I just got to deal with the height I'm given. Absolutely. Other than that, I look mad good, so I don't really have nothing to be insecure about physically. You know, I am in the gym. I want to go into 30 in peak mental and physical form. So, yeah, physical, I don't have any physical insecurities. If anything, it might be mental.

But it sounds like your work is something you love, so it doesn't really like a job. Yeah, I love it, but that doesn't mean the people that hire me or that doesn't mean the people in position to hide me love me. I rub a lot of people the wrong way, pause. You know, I'm unapolog- We caught that a second late. I'm unapologetically me, and I'm always going to be that. But don't you feel like you get the best opportunities in the long run by being unapologetic to you?

Because I don't want to fuck with people who don't fuck with me. In the beginning, though, in the beginning, you have to rub people the right way a little. I don't know. I don't know about that. Never have. That's why I say, for me, because I'm just so strong on my morals, I'm never not going to be honest You're interesting to me because you don't drink

And that fascinates me Because I don't like drinking But I succumb to peer pressure Like someone's like, let's drink And I'm like, nah And they're like take a shot And I'm like, okay, I'll do it But you, you've never drank?

Never ever. You have alcoholism in your family? Yeah. So you have something But I didn't find out till later on Growing up when everybody was drinking like 13, 14, I just didn't want to do it So I'm so impulsive

that it saves me sometimes Because if I don't want to do it I've never smoked a cigarette Because I'm like What's the positive It comes out of and I like it? Cigarettes are disgusting So like smoke

To me the act of smoking Whether it's we Seeing somebody Inhale something And smoke come out of you To me it's disgusting So that's why I never did that But drinking I just never wanted to do it

If then I didn't find out So I was like 1819 That I have a That my uncle is a stone cold Alcoholics So I'm like oh now I'm never putting that in my body It's interesting that your intuition Kind of knew that that was a red flag

Right I want to go to fly rye what are you insecure about pretty boy my emotions like I don't I don't really share them and I don't really speak out of it we talked about this brief because you said when you're growing up

your family was not like how did that make you feel it was more like do you have your shit together yeah do your shit like if it's time to go it's time to go like that's what stinks that up my head my mother told me so it's like when it comes to emotions it's really hard for me to share that

so I feel like I'm insecure on the fact that when it comes to that significant other expressing me totally opening up to them without having any like closed doors and that's what people get it twisted because me and mouse talk about us all the time and mac like don't try to read me understand me and then you can read everything it'll just my open book and if you they make you comfortable and not pressure you to open up too early it'll unfold naturally i'll open up as much as i'm willing to open up and in that it's and that to that extent, I'll probably open up more than I ever have, if it's a natural feeling.

And you were raised with a single mom? Single mom. So she didn't have time. She was just trying to make sure that she... She raised two jobs to this day. She wanted to make sure she had the money to make sure you're good. And that was the priority. Let's move on to Mac.

What's up? On the Keys. Uh-huh. So you were a child star to an extent? I guess you can call it a child star now, right? You've been in the industry for a bit, which I know... Yeah, since I was about... 14, 15 years old?

Yeah, definitely a child. You lost your family at 18. You're a child. Childish ass, baby. Hey, hey, mouse. Hey, mouse. Fuck you, pal. Shit.

Last time I tell you guys anything. You're watching when keeping it real. Last time I'm vulnerable with you guys. Last time I'm vulnerable with you guys. Shit. You know what? I think that was very adorable. I appreciate that.

And that's adorable. What's your deepest insecurity? Losing his virginia. He's like, you guys... Damn, son, where'd you find this? All right, I'm done. This might be off reference, but Colton on The Bachelor is a virgin as well. He goes to thing.

He definitely is. I'll tell you how off that is. I have no idea who the fuck Colton is. Well, what the fuck the Bachelor is? Oh, he got to know is that he's a grown-ass man within a room, in a house full of women, that is a complete... And he was a professional athlete. like your dick just falls into vaginas what type of l-ol life was he living so before we get these guys brought it up why did you wait so long it was a conversation i had with my mom oh

i love when your moms get involved when i was when i was young my uh my older brother had his first kid when he was 17 i believe 17 and i remember the you better relax buddy hey listen you better relax i'm easing into this thank you You better relax You talk about these teen parents You need some more water? Yeah, I'm triggered Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, where's it?

I'm panicking, I don't know So after seeing that And seeing like what my mom was going through at the time You know, I think she wanted so much more for us And I remember just having a conversation with her Because my mom was like my best friend at the time So I was like, yo mom, listen I'm going to wait

To even get started in this whole sex thing and I'm going to wait until I'm about 18 and she's like if that's your decision if listen I'm not going to tell you what to do I'm not going to tell you what not to do but that's what you want to do then were you home school no because that's hard

when you're in like the school system you're seeing other kids engage and it was but I think even though I wasn't homeschool I wasn't in school that much because I was working the majority of the time so me being in Baltimore shooting the wire a lot of times my school would send work to me in Baltimore

and I would have to do my schoolwork and send it back. Did you feel like you had a different purpose than the other kids? You felt like a normal kid that just happened to be put in a different situation? I felt like a normal kid who kind of just wound up in a weird situation. You weren't like, I'm about to be a star. Nah. I didn't even think I was going to be an actor. Like I didn't even think, I didn't think anything much of it.

The reason I even got into acting at the time, I was about, I was like 13, like 13 years old, 7th grade. And I had a friend who I grew up with in my old neighborhood who had died. And I remember, I remember, you know, around that age, a lot of us, you know, we all lose friends and all of that stuff. But at that age, a lot of us tend to feel invincible at times or whatever. So as soon as that invincibility fades and you realize how mortal you really are, I'm running around these streets with my older brother doing God knows what at such a young age, messing around with things that I definitely shouldn't be messing around with. I'm like, you know what, I want to change things up.

And I was fortunate enough to go to a school that, I guess, showed me a bunch of different lifestyles or different ways to live. And I had some friends who were acting, like actually professionally acting. My older brother used to professionally act like he was in a few movies here and there. And I remember watching him being like,

yo, that's dope. Like, I want to be on TV one day. So it got you excited. Yeah, at that time, it got me excited. So I used to do school plays, but I never thought anything of it. It wasn't until my boy Chungo passed away. that I was really like, you know what?

Maybe we need to figure something else out. And at that time, one of my friends came in. I remember it like it was yesterday. Kid came in. He said, yo, I just booked this commercial. And they're giving me $5,000 for it. I said, $5,000 for a fucking commercial. That's a lot of snickers bars.

What? I said, nigger, $5,000. He's like, yeah. And then I get paid every time it shows on TV. I say, you get paid. paid every time it shows on TV I didn't know anything about residual money but I was like yo that's a comp you that's that's way different than any drug money I've ever seen that's fire I said yo mom way less effort and way less dangerous I said yo ma I want to try this

and she was like all right well you know I tried it with your brother and I don't want to go through the same headache that I went through with him that's a whole other story because of the neighborhood that we grew up in but she's like so listen if you really want to do it, I'm going to give you money. I'm going to give you money to go get your headshots, and I'm going to give you money for a metro card. And now you got to go around, you got to go find your way and get into this stuff so that if you make it, it's all on you. But if you fail, it's your fault. There's nobody else you could blame. So if you really want this, you got to do it yourself. I said, all right, I got the money for the head shots, got my

head shots. So you never questioned who wanted it for you. It's always your motive. It was always your passion inside that wanted it. 200%. Just because I wanted to do something. different. I didn't want to do the same thing. And again, I wasn't, my focus at the time wasn't to be an actor. It was more, all right, I'm going to do this until I can, and pay to get into the studio to do music, because that's what I really wanted to do. So music was your real kind of natural fashion. I love how you didn't ever feel like you had to do one thing and be stuck in pigeonholed into one thing. I actually hated it. Because people love to, they want to define you. They want to be like, oh, Mac Wilde, he's an actor.

Oh, Mouse is a host. But it's like me. I was a tennis player my whole life. And when I started to get into video, people were like, why are you doing this? And I'm like, because I have other outlets to me and things that need to be fulfilled that I haven't even touched on. I don't even know if I'm good at. It bothered me. It got to a point where it was a lot of times I would be, I don't know, I'd be on set of 902 and because the music that I want to do isn't, I'm not able to release it or do whatever.

whatever, how I want to it, it just felt like there's like a ball of energy inside of me that's not being released. And you have to listen to that intuition. Don't just settle with that. Listen to yourself and no one else knows what you really want. That's true. That's very true. I would argue that too.

Yeah. So I want to turn back to your insecurities because you've been trying to get me to forget about it this whole time. Yeah, one of the greatest attempted spinners you'll ever meet. Not attempted. I do spend. You've gotten a lot of... You've gotten a lot of success on paper, but I want to know what you're at. insecurities are internally.

People that look up to you, like, they're kids that are like, I want to be like Mike Wiles, I want to be on TV. I want to be like Mac when I grow up. I hate you guys. I really hate it. Damn sure they won't be like him as a kid. You got too much dip on your chip? Imagine being a virgin.

Listen, you got too much dip on your chip. Relax. The problem was you didn't have enough dip on your chip. Your chip was diplish till you was 18. Ew! Oh, shit. Okay, good one.

That was a good one. That was a good one. I set myself up for that. Set myself up. So physically, do you have any insecurities? Not physically. I don't think physically. I think physicality-wise, I'm pretty, I'm very much more comfortable in my skin than I've ever been, especially nowadays.

You know, I understand who I am, what I am as a man, and I don't let anybody else dictate that. So that's physically, nah. You know, as long as I'm able to get up, work out, breathe, and sex a woman down very well, I really have no, I really have no other qualms about my physicality. So emotionally? Emotionally. I think that's where the insecurities kind of lie. It comes with career. It comes with, just like you said, emotions.

I think the biggest thing for me, I tend to get into. my own head about what like I always no matter how good I no matter what I've done in my career I always wind up with the same conversation in my head like am I good enough did I do this good enough what can how can I do better oh 200% but you know perfectionism you're gonna look crazy to other people but when that final thing you created comes out comes out everybody's like oh my god it's so amazing and they wonder why it sounds different than other things and you're like because I'm psycho yeah because i have to make sure that it and i try to get out of my own head with that stuff because a lot of times i keep stuff to the chest and and don't let nobody in until i'm ready

to but uh that perfectionism is uh it's it's a it's a killer sometimes man it's true and then sometimes perfectionism can prevent creativity yes it can it can because you get stuck on one thing and it it doesn't allow other things to blossom especially with i mean even like in interviews I would say mouse might agree if you're too structured with how you want to host something you can't get the magic the magic is in those moments that you're loose and you're confident and you're natural yeah the worst thing you could do when interacting with people is have structure like you have to allow people to be people to be people and you have to be a person right along with them which is why I'm the best host because no I'm being honest

I'm not being honest like this why I'm the best host because I allow me to be people Like when you come to an event that I'm hosting, you don't have to fit in anywhere. You don't have to be like, oh, everybody's going to be like this? Nah, fuck that. Because I make everybody, we all go down to the most simplest form of whatever we're doing. And no matter where it is, it's going to be a party no matter what. I've been working on, I always, I'm a people pleaser,

and I want people to immediately think I'm funny and I'm charming and I'm cool. But my therapist back in the day was like, you have to make them. feel like they have space. You have to just ask them fucking questions and listen. It's not like dating 101, but it's more like, well, you're worried about yourself they're turned off. No matter how many jokes I say in a row, it's how you

make them feel. That's the only emotion they're going to remember leaving that conversation. That's all I tell people is when you host, that's, when people ask me for holding tips, I'd be like, well, you shouldn't be hosting because I'm the best butt. If you still want to make a fool of yourself, just make sure that people feel you. They're always going to remember they're not going to remember nothing else to happen.

They're not going to remember what you say. And I, and I, and I, And thank God, you know what I mean? Because it keeps me working. I have super viral moments when hosting events, whether it's the swag, me cutting off the swag surf and making people do the electric slide, whether it's me doing Kirk Franklin and making the whole crowd sing,

whatever it is. Do you have advice for people who have public speaking anxiety? Because a lot of my listeners do. Just do it. Talk while having sex. It develops. That too. I love that.

Jesus Christ. I love that advice. If you talk while you have sex, it takes out a lot of nerves. you saying? Bambo clap! Hey, set yourself up for that one. Then you try to be the sex kitten. Maybe you try to be the sex kitten of the podcast, and now look at you.

So what's you say? If you told me, now she asked you something. What you say? Does it depends on a moment? Do you combine, like, funny with sexy or you strictly sexy? I don't say funny shit. Because I could, if I talk too much, I start laughing. What I do ain't funny.

We're here for business. Oh, business Christ. Business only. Speaking of sex, you guys give so much relationship and love advice and, like, guys look to you but I want to get a little serious in terms of like a lot of old white men are fucking up right now I got little dicks wow it was bound to happen Jesus Christ you know some of them probably do most of them and I want to know because you guys have a unique perspective on women obviously in the rap game you

can like talk down to women or treat them objectify them but I sense that you guys are that would be yeah that wouldn't be a that's a common misnomer you guys are trying to shift that's... Goodness, fucking gracious! Miss Nomer? What is wrong with you? You are eloquent. You should got some pussy at 15.

Jesus Christ. Would I have known words like this? Yes, nigga. Goodness gracious. You're getting pussy and re-in the dictionary at 15. That's you. That's how he got dropped out of... That's how he got kicked out of high school, bro.

He was fucking with teachers. Yeah. He was fucking with teachers. But no, I don't want that to be... I want some advice, because I have dudes listening. Like, what advice do you give to men who, like, you obviously want to be masculine, then you want to be powerful, but like, what advice do you have to be the best man possible? There's nothing more masculine than protecting women, protecting the women in your space.

Ryan, he was just in the spot with me, like, it's not a game for me. Like, there's nothing that has anything to do in my career. Like, this is my life. You know what I mean? I'm raising two daughters. I love my mother. Yeah. I love a black woman.

Like, we got to protect them. You know what I'm saying? It's funny because when you first said that, I was like, I don't want a man to have to protect me. I'm strong enough. But at the end of the day, but let's be honest, at the end of the day, men. have the ability to protect you Here go to the thing You don't have to want me to protect you

And I will respect that you don't want me to protect you But I'm still going to protect you It's true Yeah like I'm still going to protect you You know what I'm saying I'm not going to over there Yeah like you're not going to be like Let me walk you across the street

Every time No I do that Because look The first step that a lot of men miss That a lot of women Pay attention to it is You gotta give it away You gotta give it away

I'm helping A lot of nigs still not gonna do it When you walk a woman up the street Do not put her on the side Where the cars are coming It's very simple It's simple things like that That a woman be like what

I'm like not getting on this out please Like simple things like that I like that go a long way I like that I don't love when a man is like Putting my jacket on for me and stuff Because I'm like are you gonna do this every day Then don't do it No no no no

But I do when I walk down the street If you're gonna hold up to it I do that every I do that It doesn't even have to be my If you're my best friend Like it doesn't matter if you're a woman in my life I just like to know you'd take a car from me You know

And I want to see how smart you are too Because if I get hit by the car And you still get hit by the car I'm gonna be tight in hell. I'll be tight. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? What are you doing down here? You've seen me die bitch. You was about to move.

Maybe she want to go with you. Would you be tight if you went to heaven and she wasn't there? I'd be like that chee- bitch. Mac, do you have a two sense of kind of like, because you're in the entertainment industry, who knows the kind of shit that you deal with in terms of

like me? Man. Yeah. Because you want to respect women, but sometimes women don't always respect themselves. No, that's true. That's true. And they don't respect you as well. I think I think... Yeah, like, they don't see you for you sometimes, probably. I think, you know what? It gets to a point where a lot of times

we look for, we look for reciprocal things, and I've learned this from a very smart man that I know his name is Mouse Jones. A lot of times we pray for a lot of times we wish that things are going to be reciprocal, but we can't... Are you talking about? Are you talking about? What are you talking about?

I mean, just in general. Just in general, period. You can't go into situations expecting reciprocation. You have to do it because you know it's right, and it's that simple. So when it comes to something like respecting a woman or being a man for a woman, you know, whatever you consider that to mean, I think that's bigger than anything. Like, you're supposed to do it just because you're supposed to do it. Not because you're expecting anything out of it, literally,

just because you as a man and her as a woman, whether she's your lady, whether it's platonic. It could be your mother, your grandmother, your shorthy, whatever. You're supposed to be a man. And that's what a stand-up man really is. That's beautiful. And our episode was about, you guys told me something that you said black men don't cheat.

But I'd be waiting. Nothing has changed. I've been waiting to come back because I have a question. Damn you. What the fuck is Tristan Thompson is doing? I got this. I got this.

I got this. I want somebody can explain this to me. Please explain it. All right. So this goes two ways. Most importantly, we have to realize the fact that there are many things at work when we're discussing

the black community. Yes, sir. There's been racism. There's been systemic oppression, systemic racism. Talk about it. So when you put a race of people at the bottom

and then begin to pick specific ones that you want to put at the top based on their athletic ability or any ability put them above one another then what you begin to do is you put them and you

you're exposing them to something that they're not used to as in like OJ how he was in the community you know what OJ is a perfect example because OJ was super poor but then he got He got accepted in the white community and he didn't align himself with like... So what it is is money affords you a certain opportunity.

So like the normal black man middle America may not do water polo because he can't afford it. Shoot, he may not swim. So when he does that, what do we call it? Oh, look that nigga doing some white people shit. Just like Trishon Thompson was cheating. He got a lot of money now he's doing some white people shit. That was a good thing. That was a good old.

You know what? I was like that. What could this dude possibly say? Jesus Christ. What do you guys think of the Kardashians? I don't. I don't think of them. I mean, I appreciate.

They play, they play no, they have no hold or no influence. And the coach is a very good coach. She's an amazing coach. She's an amazing coach. Not bad than our coach. No, no, no, no, no. Shout out, Coach Royce. Coach Royce.

Coach Royce. But amazing coach that loves black males. Yes. I don't know if they love black males, but they love, she does. They love making Is it cool to say they fetishize black males? Not even fetish out. They industrialized black men.

Oh, wow. Like that's what that clan has done they industrialized black men. I don't want to say fetishized, but aesthetically they love the, like, I got my rapper on my arm or I got my athlete on my arm. Because they're not just dating black dudes. They're dating the highest status of black dudes.

The best, like the best of the best. Well, not the best of best. I mean, like, Chloe, Chloe. I was thinking like, Chloe, Chloe, it'd be scraping. We're going to play our first game and it's called Heaven or Hell, and I'm going to segue from Kardashian.

Heaven or Hell. Dating one of the Kardashians, heaven or hell. Hell. Depends on which one. Which one? Which one would be heaven? None. They're not a heavenly car. You know what? Take it back. Take it back.

That motherfucker, Courtney boy. Okay, heaven or hell dating Courtney. Good job. Why do you like Courtney? Because she, I know the least about her. Because she's low-key. Because she's low-key. Damn, son.

Where's your buying this? She got out of her business. None of them. You do you know how much I don't follow the cartels? I don't follow any of them on Instagram. I don't read none of the stories. I don't watch the show. But I know all of Chloe and Kim business.

Look, and this is what she did. She went for the rich white guy. Did all that. And she don't have to go for the rich black man. She went for the richest white dude She got Had her kids And now she just

She's chilling with us She got young like 22 year old Hot sexy men Just like Falling her around Black dudes But are they white

There was like an exotic Dude like Portuguese No I'm saying All the Kardashians White though They're Armenian You know what's the name OJ

Chloe is half black You're right Damn Is that what the community is saying Yeah Yeah Yeah She's 6 5

Yeah Six 5 strong features How the fuck Does she get that tall She's not 6'5 No, she's close, but she's close, but she's close, strong features. Okay, guys, heaven or hell? Girl who cooks amazing.

Oh, that's hell, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What, but, boom, I'm not doing. You knew that one. You knew, you knew it's going somewhere. I got excited. I know, he's like, chicken barbershop. Um, girl who cooks amazing, but hates giving blow jobs, heaven or hell. Hell, hell.

Now I'm going to get fat and be unhappy. What the hell? Hell. Hell. What the hell? How about get out? How about get out? Wait, wait, wait.

So you'll take a girl who loves giving blow jobs, but can't cook for shit Absolutely, we can go You know how healthy I'm gonna eat out all the time You know how fucking healthy I'm gonna be? If you don't want to give head That means you don't want to learn to like it If you don't know how to cook

We can go to cooking classes We can go to cooking classes Oh, I like that You don't even want to please me That's a growth mentality My mother's a chef I'll just send in my mom for a two week program Oh, that's easy

And we're gonna get that thing There ain't no problem I like how you guys are all aligned I like this Okay next question Because we're speeding through Mm-hmm Okay, this is just which one do you prefer

I got to throw this in Macha latte or avocado toast Avocado toast I fuck with macho lattes I don't like I don't have no input I have never had either one I don't believe you should try a macho latte I don't even know what that is

It's like green tea but like better It's like a green tea but It's like a coffee It's caffeinated That's my next door to sweet green Yeah yeah sweet chacha macha macha I never had none of that, so I can't tell you. Mac just showed his L.A.

Because he knew. Okay, last one, heaven or hell, getting snowed inside with your mom all day. Oh, that's heaven. Yeah, that's heaven. You guys have to love your mama. My mom is a chef. Fridge is always stop. Always.

There's always toilet paper. Always toilet paper. You always got toothpaste. Nothing runs out. Talk about it. Yo, can you ever notice growing up that just, that closet never goes empty? Bro, never, no. You open it up

How come I have no toilet paper But in there It's always toilet paper Always so When you have roommates You're like Are you just fucking throwing the toilet paper

Where does it go Especially if you have female roommates You don't even know Right Or male It don't matter Who's your roommate

You shouldn't be going Missing Pause I mean not even pause That's real shit No pun intended That's real shit That's real shit

Oh I get It's real shit And you can't even Replenish it Oh that is That's my pet peeve You can leave the seat open, I mean seat up, do

not use the toilet paper and leave it bare. Like, what are you doing? Because I might get stuck and then I have to waddle and try to get my... Bill's character. That's what happened to me. You got too much dip on your chilt. I came home... You got too much dip on your chit. I came back from L.A., creating my crib over here. I had no toilet paper, and

it was going to get nasty. I had to go downstairs to the gym. They never run out. This is just my own personal question. It's pretty serious. When's the first time? a relationship that you can fart in front of them Oh You want me tell you a funny story

Yes So it's having a couple of times actually Oh Jesus I've been sleep And I fart and shit woke me up But But the shit about it is

I don't know I'm shy of women Y'all just never react I don't know if y'all hear it They be shitting Yeah they'd be doing that nancy shit Because they always just, it's like, you get up and you run fast, there's no movement, it's just, but I know it was loud because if I'm moving up, I'm thinking something going on. You got to get up and you got to get up out of there.

That is sick. Okay, what if you're singing a girl very early on and you're sleeping? But like, you kind of wake up and she's farting in her sleep. That's cute. That's cute. I like that. Because it's raw. Yeah, that's me and my baby mother.

First night. Like the first night we slept over, like she farted right on my leg. I said, bitch, I love you. So I am going to impregnate you. And you did.

She was not pregnant yet because we didn't have sex yet. Which is fun on your lap. I don't know what's going on that day. She was asleep though, but you know, I guess, but I don't ever believe

that women, I don't ever believe that women's sleep. I think y'all just like close your eyes for a few. We're plotting. Yeah, because y'all fucks be up

bad fast. She was loud. It felt like I got shot. Did it sound like firm? It felt like I got shot. I just felt something tapped me in the leg. I felt like I got shot.

I said, no, no, it's a dub. It's a dub. We got to have a conversation. But what is like she laughs too hard and it comes out? Wow. Oh, that's mad cute. Like, shit happens. That's mad cute.

Now, here are the thing. Look, that happened to me once. That might not be just a fault in them pants. That's none of my business. I feel like girls don't shart. I feel like girls shit, girls fart. Girls don't shart. You're a lie.

You never know. You're a lie. Check them drawers. Check the fecal matter. There ain't no problem. There's a fecal matter, isn't a problem. Y'all will never know because y'all got the little drawer strings up you y'all ask y'all never know so it like

it kind of probably like keeps it keeps it in there you guys I'm gonna say honestly I don't like thongs I like wearing granny panties wow I know you I know your shit if you fart it I know it's a little brown it's a little just a slight it's mostly just period stains you know

mouse mouse mouse mouse Mouse Periods are part of life Your life no periods are part of sentences And I prefer Run on sentences, actually, because I like Twitter. If you're going to protect women, you've got to support that, like, that's how my system works.

My name is, not Cotex. The fact you know what Cotex is, I like you. It means your girl, you had to get pads for your girl before. I have. Oh, that's cute. When you're trying not to come, what do you think about? Imperial blood. Layups.

White men. Layups. Who's shooting the layups? Me. I'm on the court. You're just playing basketball? You don't get a boner thinking about like your smooth-ass layup? If I play a ball with a boner.

There we go. You better. What do you know about that? I'm from Brooklyn. You think I know about a ball? Talk about it. Talk about it. I couldn't play.

I can't play basketball. So it's you just slapping the ball. Not on. Just me up to court. Mouse, what do you think? Or do you just come? Or you're just like, it's time. Yeah, it's lightless.

I'm here. I made it. You didn't? It's too bad. Mack, what do you think about? What do I think about? What do I think about? Trying not to come?

What I'm going to do after I come. Oh, shit. Goodness gracious. Well, for me, let me see for me. I don't think about anything in particular. I usually, I try to stay in the moment. And I just breathe. Yeah, because you're, like, a sensual lover.

You told me that last time. I just tried to breathe. Niggas love selling dick on podcasts. I know how to make myself come better than you do. You know what? My hand jobs are shit. It don't matter what job you got. My hand jobs are brutal.

When I had tennis calluses, mm. Oh, ouch. Okay, guys, now our final game, you're doing very well, is the Seven Deadly Sins. Oh, shit. Seven Deadly Sins. What are you guys greedy about? Vigina. Mm.

Communication. You're with someone right now? Yeah. Yeah, so you're greedy about getting as much of her vagina you can get? Uh, much of her. attention as I could get to be honest. You love attention? Yeah, I need that.

Do you give an even amount of attention to her? Or does she not need it? Nah, I over. I overdo it. I'm on you. So you need to find someone who liked that because some girls don't like too much. He found her. Like having to be able to do that.

What's your sign? Best sign. There it goes. Aries all day. April 15th. You're both Aries? To her same day. What's your girl?

You gotta know these things if you come on my phone. Leo. Yeah. That's a great Matt I'm Leo Leo Aries are good Wait what sign are you Mac Cancer

Ooh you're sensitive On the inside But hard on the outside No he's sensitive inside And outside Fuck you bitch I'm fucking sensitive Fuck yo

I'm not fucking sensitive I know I'm panicking I What do you What do you greedy About Fly Rye My food

My fly fly fly by Your food Yeah Don't touch my shit Oh Do you eat a lot Yeah a lot See, look, he's selling dick again.

God, that's gracious. Mack, what do you greedy about? Being late. Being greedy about... His virginity. I was. I was. I was.

Oh, where's it at? Where's that? There we go. There you go, Mowles. There you go. What am I greedy about? Just my space when it comes to creativity. Like, I need to have my space.

As soon as I feel like my space is being invasive, or people are overstepping their bounds when it comes to me working or creating something, I get turned off very quickly. So if someone's kind of trying to control your vision, you'll say step back. Yeah, I love help. I'm never the person that's going to turn away help, but as soon as I feel people are trying to, like, guide it in a direction that it's not, that I didn't foresee it going, whether they could be right or,

completely wrong i i don't i wouldn't know i i just it turns me off it's funny because i'm a control freak when i when it comes to my creativity but sometimes with women like people would be like you're being really controlling and i'm like or i just know what i want exactly and i feel like sometimes with men it's like oh respect this guy knows what he wants but i want to assert women to be more assertive with that shit because sometimes you some dude that doesn't know as much as you was like we think this is better for the project no who are you guys I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. So that's it. Like, I'm here. I'm here. I'm supposed to be here. Like, I'm here and I'm not supposed to be here. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm envious of nothing and no one. Like, this is not there. Why are you not supposed to be here? Like, we just having this conversation the other day. Like, I'm a young... Get here. Nobody's supposed to be here. I tried that love. for the last time.

You have a beautiful voice. Thank you. I put myself in a notice I say that I put myself in a lot of predicaments that forced bad things to always be around me. So I'm not, I was supposed to be dead at 16. I was supposed to be dead at 17. I was supposed to be dead at 18. Then I joined a war that America was fighting.

So I was supposed to be dead. all those years came home did a whole bunch of shit that was supposed to be dead for So me You've had You're like nine lives

Yeah So me on the precipice Of being 30 Cat Jones instead Cat Jones Yeah Yeah No

That's similar to Mac Who was kind of like I saw that life isn't just like Forever And once you're right That perspective Exactly

So it didn't just You know We could talk about it Forever and ever because it ain't never going to change. I'm still a black man. In America, a black man is not supposed to make it past 21. So me and Ryan here, me, Ryan, actually me, Ryan and Mack all sitting here on the precipice of turning 30 this year.

Congratulations. This is all, for me. Dirty, 30. Oh, it's going to be very dirty. It's going to be extremely dirty. Filthy. I am nervous. Anybody?

Move, bitch. Get out the way. Who am I envious of? Mouse Jones, who lost his virginity at nine. You lost at nine? You left that nine? He's left the studio, people. He's left the studio.

The drama king is in the building. Warning. This is a warning. Warning. This is a warning. Warning. Oh, man. That is sick. That is nasty work.

Now, who am I jealous of? It's a nasty, it's a nasty trait, right? And I think the problem with envy is that you see something in someone that you know that you could be, but you're obviously not working hard enough to be it. So I know there was times where when I was younger, I would be very envious, even especially of my friends, like people that were closest to me because... Well, those are the people that you get most envious of, not the people that you can't compare yourself to, but the ones who had similar journeys.

That's what I'm saying. Because you know it could be you. Yeah, I know there was times... It's tangible. Yeah. It would be like, damn, like, this nigga Kofi doing this movie, I could be doing all this nigga Mike Dia is doing this movie. It's a sign from the universe telling you this emotion of envy is telling you what the fuck you need to do. No, I know. That's why as of late, you know, with a lot of soul searching and understanding who I am,

it's got to a place of, I can't be envious of Chris Brown and his achievements. I can't be envious of, of Eric Bellinger. And I'm like, it's like, you got to, you are who you are. Is it tough in your industry that, like, you could work really hard, but still, like, sports sometimes, like, you can just be better than someone and you know you're going to win where, like, politics get involved. And also there's stuff in Hollywood and shit Like they can pick someone else over you Just because they don't like your hair This is very very very true

How do you deal with that lack of control Yeah you just kind of have to roll with it That's the that's one of the hardest things in this business Until you have the platform that either you can Create your own content or that you could I guess be in a place where people I guess have to work with you you're literally in a place where you know you're you're subject to the consistent nose

I was just having this conversation with somebody earlier it's crazy in the between the music and the and the acting business because on one hand on the acting business you get told no a million times but in private whereas in music you get told no very very publicly like So you release something and you see how people respond? Quickly. Very quickly. You can move the role. Because it either hits or it doesn't.

Yeah, it either hits. It could either hit, it could be sleepy, as mouse would say, or it just doesn't hit at all. Like it could be very like, save your sleepy work. So that's what I'm saying. Do you feel like you've been in the industry for a while? Do you know when something's going to hit? No. Or you still like never really know how people are going to respond?

You never know. You never know. variables, honestly, that go into what makes something hit or what makes something specifically. And if it was an easy algorithm, everyone would do it. Oh, my God, absolutely. And there are people in the industry who constantly try to figure out the algorithm, but it's literally the people and the time, all of the, depending on where people are in that moment and what people are feeling and the music that you drop or the role that you create or the, the, the film that you shoot all of that

if it comes at the right time it hits and it hits hard or you can literally miss just because it's just not the right time and you have to be okay with that got to or you lose your fucking mind pretty much which one of you guys experiences the most wrath so who do you think

has anger issues in the group them too no I don't why I'm the most level-headed one of us who snap the fuck out of it okay only because some shit goes down at the club who's the one that's going to snap me I'm going to me 200% okay

okay why why is it you I'm not as okay and there's no disrespect to Ryan or Matt I didn't go through the what's the shit called I didn't go through school yeah but not in such a way I didn't go through

the unlearning process that they did or I didn't go through like the filtering process right I like how you call it unlearning and not learning nah because I didn't I didn't I didn't like everything like we were talking about in our podcast we serve i don't believe people are experience we are what we survive right we are the experience that we survive yeah so i didn't go through the unlearning process from being on a street to being in an industry i literally was on the street hopped on twitter start talking shit pitched off all the right people then i'm in the

industry i like that though yeah i love it but there's a lot of people rough around the edges. Exactly. And I don't, and I guess I never, like I never, I reconciled with, I did what I had to do.

So I don't feel bad about nothing I had to do. So I don't ever. Were you purposely trying to piss people off to like market yourself or that was just your personality? Nah, I never,

I never, you know when I'm trying to purposely piss somebody off. And I never try and person. But you weren't like, I'm going to be strategic to get fame and talk shit to Arkelly. No, because there's no way to do that.

You get what I'm saying? Like, because there's a million people on the internet. What does the community feel about Arkelly? the music community. We don't. Yeah, we don't. It's just like, it's just...

Yeah, we don't. Kill them. Yeah. Who's the laziest in the group? None of us are lazy. I'm about to say. None of us are lazy, but the person... I work my ass off.

I got 12 jobs, nigga. I'm Jamaican. Remember yesterday he said, he had no job. I don't. I'm a fun employed. What do you do in between stuff? What do we say tune?

It's fun employed? Unemployed. Because I'm not, I'm not unemployed. I'm not unemployed. That's the problem. When you talk to tune, you come over stupid shit like fun employed. Hey, listen.

That's some white girl shit, fun-en-loid. Shut your mouth. Gap ear. Gap ear. That's that white people shit. The gab here? I'm taking a gap year? Yeah, now I'm fun-employed.

Mack, when you're in between gigs, do you ever feel paranoid that, like, you're not doing enough? I always feel like I'm not doing enough. That's why I always, that's why I'm always doing something. I'm always moving. I gotta keep moving. If I sit down for too long, I feel like I'm not, like, I don't know. It's a weird feeling.

It almost feel like you're gonna die, right? That's how I feel. If I sit still too long, I feel like something that's going to happen. True, I only feel alive when I'm, like, dealing with shit, trying to solve problems, trying to create. Exactly. But that's why I think we are in the industry we're in. Yeah, pretty much. When was the last time you guys let your pride or your ego get in the way of something?

Wow. Wow. This is some deep shit. I control my ego when I'm with my woman, when I'm with my friends. There's no need for it. But a lot of times your job is your ego. Yeah, so it's like. But I feel like if you.

connect your ego too much to your job, then you it's bad. Like when I was too connected with tennis with my ego, when I'd lose, I'd be depressed for three weeks. But if it was just like part of what I'd do, when I'd lose, I wouldn't be a scared of losing if it wasn't so attached to my ego. Yeah. I mean, well, the game

that Mouse is in in particular is it's an interesting one where it's, the, a loss isn't necessarily, the only time he's losing is if he's missing out on a job. But otherwise, or if he's not being himself. Yeah. Oh, that's a big loss.

That's a loss. That's a loss. It's a loss. But it's like, it's like. You won't have friends if you have your ego all the time. I don't believe that because I've never built, like there's no, Matt could tell you, like, there's no difference between Mouse Jones and, I'm not going to say my government, but, like, I'm the same person. I didn't create no alter ego. Like, the same person, the same person I am today with the same person I've always been, just, you know.

You know, I learned a little bit here, learned a little bit here, apply a little bit here. You're growing, but... Mouse is literally the name I grew... Well, Mousy, that was what everybody called me growing up. I had big ass ears growing up. So they called me Mighty Mouse, and then it turned to Mousie. And then when I got in the industry, I was like, just call it Mouse. It's cool because no matter if you're, like, sitting on your stoop, talking shit with your friends when you're young, to being on stage at BET, you're still getting called Mous.

Exactly. So everybody knows. So there is no... So you go kind of in check because it's all about people. used to like kind of make fun of you and joke but now man no no ain't nobody haven't made fun of me that didn't happen to me okay guys we got our final question on seven deadly sins when was the last time you guys lusted over somebody oh oh I lest over I lust over my woman every day wow there we go there we go there we're smart yeah you're good guy every day you're good

that was a test I was extremely lustful um this weekend and In Antiguan. Oh, my God. Rub it in, buddy. Are those in Teagan's hot? And I got to fuck us up, Hannah. Tell you, I lusted over. My woman.

When Mac lusted over, the woman he was with. Yes, sir. And that's what we're going, Hannah. Let's get another question, Hannah. Keep it right there. So we're going to wrap this shit up. For people listening who are going through their own hell. Yeah.

Because we've all gone through it. What advice do you give them? Appreciate it. Of how you cope with your hell. Appreciate it. take it in take every single moment of it in because when you meet it again or when you meet a different level of hell you're going to remember exactly what this moment felt like and it won't feel as scary and you going through this hell it's going to make what's on the other side so much more

worth it you know that's one of the best answers I've ever gotten it's funny that you ask that right it's funny that you ask like if people who I know that are going through their own personal health. I am a guy who I live off of quotes. Like I live off of quotes. So there's this one quote that they always say is from Winston Churchill or from whoever. And the quote is, if you're going through hell, keep going. Yep. It's the realest, it's one of the realest things that I've ever heard. I've dealt with depression and, you know, as a word Miles Jones would use, a myriad of different emotions and feelings that I've. Not the Webster Diction.

Exactly. That sometimes I couldn't explain and didn't understand why I was going through these feelings or these sections in my life that just felt like everything was going wrong. But the only thing that you can possibly do is continue to move

because you can't just sit there. Because nothing will change if you stay at the same place. Exactly. So if you're going through hell, keep going. Winston Churchill. the god mac wilds fly rye mousy i want to thank you for coming to hell with me and if you're

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