Berner Phone - Heidi D'Amelio: The Matriarch Of TikTok & The Truth About Her Family

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

Heidi's family has skyrocketed to stardom during quarantine and just landed a reality tv show on Hulu! She discusses how life has changed over the last year and what she wants people to really understand about Dixie, Charli, Marc, and herself! She opens up about her upbringing, how she fell in love, her parenting style, her secrets to success, dealing with social media hate, her insecurities, and her biggest fears. Welcome to TikTok hell!--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, guys, I'm so excited for the guest today. I'm literally piddling myself. When I say she's not a regular mom, she's a cool mom. I mean it. It's Heidi Demilio from the TikTok superstar family empire. I would say she's the matriarch of TikTok, and I'm so excited to have her on. And in the meantime, come see my live stand-up tour, the House Broken Tour. I was just in Indianapolis last weekend. So much fun. I'm in West Nyack. this weekend, East Hampton the following week, going to Texas, end of August, Kansas City, New Jersey, Buffalo, Nashville, New York City, Arizona, Irvine, Orlando, Tampa, Raleigh, Maryland,

get tickets at hannah burner.com. Time to enjoy the episode with Heidi. I'm the least funny in the group, but I have a really, really funny family, and they can't be funny online because people don't get sarcasm. And I wish we would normalize sarcasm. chasm again. Not bullying, not being mean, being like, also you are preaching to the choir, bitch. Welcome to burning in hell. What's up guys? Welcome to Burning in Hell. You're not going to believe who I have on this podcast. I can't believe it either. She is a superstar. She's a superstar. She's the matriarch of the digital landscape of the world. And I'm not, don't take this lightly.

I'm with Heidi D'Neillio. Welcome to Burning and Hell. Thank you so much. That was quite an intro. Thank you for happy. I just let it flow naturally. I'm very excited to have you on. I'm so happy.

Burning in Hell is where we talk to people about their demons. And I'm so interested in you and your family. And I also love a motherly energy. I think moms are the backbone of society So I'm here for that You have a lot of You have a lot of exciting things going on

You have a podcast You have a Hulu TV show Of your family coming out Two years ago Did you see this being your life? No How could anybody prepare for this? You know, maybe as a parent

You know Just what the girls were doing You know, Charlie would dance And Dixie was always, you know, she grew up singing. And so I thought maybe, you know, they may find some success in those fields, passions or whatever. And so you see that for your kids. Never for myself. Mark has always been, you know, famous in his own eyes.

He's like, I've always been famous. Just nobody else knew it. So that, you know, I like, of course, you know, but not for myself, you know, I'm, I'd rather be in the background and be the cheerleader and all that. But yeah, this is pretty wild ride we're on for sure. It's funny because I was reading some articles how Charlie was talking about at some point, like the numbers are just numbers. And it's hard to even fathom the amount of people that are like viewing and commenting on your family. And as someone in reality TV, it's almost like you've been living your own reality TV in a way, but are you excited to have a TV show to be able to have people see you in a different light

instead of just the short videos they take? Yeah, I mean, that was the whole reason for it because I feel like with these short videos, people, it's not enough for people to really get to know us. So they make up their own idea of who we are, which is not. always positive so that was why um we wanted to do it it's just like to see the flip side of 15 second videos and what our life is really like and who we are and we're probably more the same than different i think but i also feel like you guys aren't necessarily going on to be like oh look we're this perfect family like you're no it's but you want to show just authentically like

real shit and not what people just make up and and and I feel like it's a docu-series, so it's just literally documenting our life, which some people are like, this is gonna be so boring, but it's definitely different than you might expect. I think people are gonna be really surprised. I'm so excited for people to see it

because I feel like there was a lot that was filmed that was not easy. And I think when you do the hard stuff, and you really sort of put yourself out there and are comfortable with it and proud of it, then you're excited for people to see it. And that's what I am. Ooh, look at that tease. I love that.

I also feel like it's nice when people go on TV, not just to be like, oh, everyone wants to be like me. I'm so cool. I'm on TV. And instead they're like have this platform to show like something more about family. And I want to warm you up with a little game about your family. So this is between you, Charlie Dixie, and Mark. Okay. Who is the messy one?

Dixie. By far. Creative. Who's the moodiest, like, mourning doesn't want to be talked to? Dixie. Dixie. Who is the silliest? Mark, by far.

We love Mark and his main character energy, as the kids call it. Yes. Who is the workaholic? I feel like Mark, Dixie, and Charlie are equally, probably Mark. I would say Mark. Mark will work, you know, into the night. Like he doesn't have like time and ending work doesn't exist for him. So, and he's always been like that. So he might nap in the day, but he'll pull an all nighter to get it done. So definitely Mark. Who is always late? Dixie I'm the Dixie of my family That's why I'm laughing Who's the most sarcastic? Dixie

Oh my God Who's the best cook? Okay This is not a simple answer I would All of us will say we are Dixie's really good She's creative

Mark is really good creative. Charlie will admit, like, I'm learning. I am consistently, I've consistently cooked dinner five to six nights a week for the last 20 years, minus two years since all there's craziness. So consistency, I win. Marks are his plating will win every time. It doesn't always, he's good. He is a very good cook, but it's like always looks prettier than it actually is. They'll debate me, but it's a, that's tough. I'm going to see me. Just because I put in the hours. Yes, you are the consistent, sustainable.

We don't care about the fancy stuff. We need the calories to... Anyway, yeah, I agree with you. Who is the shyest? Charlie. Okay, it's so funny that Charlie was like the breakout of the family. And I remember I discovered Charlie because my mom was like,

have you heard of this girl, Charlie? She's an incredible dancer. And my, like, my mom, who is you know 55 and was just like looking at all the talent was just like this girl I can't stop watching her she's incredible and it's it makes me so freaking mad that your family gets hate because it's like I was on a reality TV show I was involved in drama people have their opinions relationships I get it how is a girl who's just dancing to like entertain people going to get like hate about her as a human anyway this is just me venting as a parent like my mom hates when I get like unnecessary bullying online how have you emotionally been able to handle it um i've come a long way in a very short period of time i was you know i don't know it's hard as a mom to see people attack your kids for nothing and it used to just bother me like on a whole and then and then i started sort of like okay so you have all these people that don't know her or digsy they don't know them they're just

commenting they're trying to get their comments to be viral it's the people like adults that are in this business that are you know how hard it is and how like that's a lot and then I think the other part is like people from our hometown that hurts too it's like those are your neighbors like come on so it was very hard for me now i honestly i don't even really look at it uh i don't it's like it's just better for me if i don't but i also knew whenever i would try to clap back online um it just makes it worse because then that it makes it always makes it worse and it's so hard because as a talker i always want to say like not be mean but just speak my piece and be like no it's not how it went down or no that's not what i meant

but like it just feeds the beast. Yeah. And it's interesting that you brought up because I got on TV and I had a pretty quick transition of being a normal person who would go through my DMs and respond to anyone who like liked my jokes. And then in two years, I didn't realize like you actually can't go into that stuff anymore. But you guys so quickly became in a different world.

And it's like your small town and your neighborhood, you're the suddenly this family that is universal. and it changes the dynamic of things like it's just so funny how when people get famous you just hear everyone wants to be famous but then you just hear them complain a lot about the negative shit but like it's crazy the negativity that come yeah and that was something um that we always are very conscious of like we don't want people to to put the impression out there that we're like poor us like we understand we are extremely fortunate to be in the position we're in And there is, you know, so many positives to it. And which is why we're still doing it. If it were that bad, we wouldn't need doing it. Yeah, you could disappear. But instead you're like, I'm going to show people more of me.

And it's like, I just like, I think it's for people who want to do this and get into social media and grow their platforms, like, just be aware. And that's the part we're like, so just so you know, there is this whole other dark side to it. and you should know about that because I didn't sure we sure didn't really well especially because it's not just you it's your young girls who would have never been like had that kind of attention or that kind of criticism but um I did some research I know you growing up like you were a model personal trainer and your husband also had his own business yes do you and now like your family has become its own business do you have any entrepreneurial advice for people because I feel like you guys have entrepreneurship in your veins yeah i mean we're always been willing to

take the risk not in a way that it's going to you know mess up and this is before so you know this whole social media thing just like take risk where you know okay well we could still pay our bills and we could still take care of everything we need to but this is going to be risky but we're not going to, you know, we'll still be able to pay our mortgage. But we're always willing to take that risk because we could see, you know, if we put the work in long term, what that would potentially look like. So and even with the girls, I think that's why they, anytime they would say, you know, especially Dixie, she wanted to try everything when she was a kid singing.

She started when she was three in theater and she's done that for most of her life. never wavered but other things she tried softball and like i think most parents will throw their kids into whatever and whatever stuck then she would do that and we would do it for longer and she got really into bmx racing but we were we were really in willing to double down on it all right you want to go let's get the bike mark would build her bikes he was a bmx racer so he would build her bikes and cool like let's travel let's make it fun for our family and you know we were all about which racetrack had the best snow cones and like we would just make it more of a thing and we weren't scared to try whatever that was whether it was something the kids wanted to try charlie was

on a dive team for a while and it was just like random stuff but we look back on that and it was so much fun but even in business um i got into photography and that was scary because i was just i had just been at home and it was something i wanted to do on the side and i did it and i wasn't the biggest and i'm still and i was always very clear i'm still learning I'm not the best, but I will have a good time and I'll give you some good pictures. So I think we're just always willing to take the risk. And I think that's kind of sometimes it's hard for people. I feel like now more than ever with social media and how you could grow that way,

it makes it so much easier. And you don't have to wait for somebody. You can just do it. You can literally start a business today. And I feel like just go for it. Just go for it. You're so inspiring. You're going to be pumped up.

I also want to know, like, you're sitting here your hair is gorgeous i mean naturally you're very beautiful you like how has your life changed like right now you're sitting here just like doing an interview midday like do you now have like has shit really changed dramatically for you um i don't feel very different i mean i feel like there's more people around us because yeah need help to get things done the way we do which is smart because some people like won't trust or won't delegate right yeah i've we've had to because like you said, everything grew so fast. So we had to put things in place. So that's probably the biggest thing. I feel the same. Mark and I feel the same. I don't know when we're

just the four of us and Dixie lives on her own. But when she's here and Charlie's thing stuff, we crank the music, we take the mics out. My kitchen island is a stage. But we were doing that before. Like that has a stage, you know, and we're all just, we're still parents. We're always going to be parents first and I don't know just in a lot of ways it's changed sometimes the conversation is different like oh my god you believe I met so-and-so or you know for the girls or whatever and and just those things are different but it feels the same well when we go to events and we're like what how is this happening it is you know it's crazy it's like literally two years ago we were just doing our thing and so yeah it is pretty wise.

But a lot of it feels just kind of the same. It is great that you're kind of going through it together. Like I was the one person of my family that started to do TV. And, you know, the rest of my family was kind of worried. They'd hear things about me through their friends, whatever. But like you guys get to be in it and enjoy it all together. Do you feel like you guys have grown? Yeah, you've gone through this like dramatic change together.

We talk about that exact thing all the time. Like, what if it would have been only one? of the four of us and you know how lonely for that person like it's like as much as a parent or a sibling you want you want to like I'm here for you I'm here for you you can't relate unless you're going through it and we all get it so that has been that has brought us so much closer because my kid's at an age where the last thing they're doing is spending an extra amount of time with their parents like they're off they're doing their thing they're not like hanging with mom and dad, but because of what we're doing, a lot of things we do together. And so we're just

like, we actually kind of missed because we're also busy that time. And, you know, the girls mostly say, man, I miss just like being together. We were, we went swimming on Sunday at the house. They were both here. Like, there was, it just so happened, like, Dixie wanted to swim. Like, they never want to swim. I'm like, come get, we. We. were in the pool laughing playing games for hours and it was like the best day ever because we never have an extended period of time like everybody just had the day it was so much fun yeah it was so much yeah and you yeah you get to experience all this stuff together and like a lot of the times this is when kids like i read an article you guys were like oh we were almost done with our parenting like

we're almost done with that section of our life and then it's like you're still going to be together and i I think it's just so fun and adorable, but you must have not easily been like, I want to do a reality TV show because obviously, like, it's hard and it's vulnerable. Why did you ultimately decide to do it? Well, I was the last one to sign off. I mean, for the Mark and the girls, they were, they were just like, let us tell our story. Every time we would leave the house, they were being videoed and they would take those videos and make these stories about who they thought we were and it was just so off and not you're not real and to try to like defend yourself and all of that it was just impossible and so they're like let let people know us like let's let them know who we are

because they don't know from these videos i mean for a long time charlie was made a ton of videos and she hadn't even spoken nobody knew what her voice sounded like so she became almost like in human. It wasn't a real human. And now we can say horrible things about her. So she's a robot. Yeah. A little dancing robot. That's when Mark started posting like old home videos and like to kind of humanize the girls. And so I was the last one on Borks. I felt like if we let this happen, there's no going back to people not knowing us. I mean, obviously not everybody's going to know us. But you know what I mean? Like in a bigger way of like putting ourselves out there. And there was just like, just felt like there's no there's no turning that off you know to yeah so you're kind of like if

we're in this game I at least want people to understand a little more and it's not like everyone's going to like be like oh I like them so much but at least like they're getting a depiction we are exactly so I finally agreed and because just because of things out on the internet of people thinking they know who we are and I was like I had also gotten to that point where I was like all right let's just do it. I'd rather know that what people are seeing is real and that's just our life. And so, yeah, with the show, it's a docu-series. It's very much a documentary of our life. And you see that. So do you ever get worried about like, there's so much the like parent shaming. Do you ever get worried about moms judging you as a parent, even though clearly, you've done pretty well about society-wise societal standards?

So, you know, I don't lose sleep over it, but it's definitely a possibility. I feel like, you know, people get to know us. They get, you know, I'm not much different probably than most moms. So, I mean, we all care about our kids and love our kids and want them to be protected and feel safe and loved. And I don't think you can shame me for that. You're like, I just want to show people that like, I'm a mom with two girls I love. Yeah, I mean, isn't that mostly what people have?

But I mean, and with that, people have said like, oh, there's going to be so boring, which I can see, you just have to watch it. There's just, I think they're going to be surprised. I think people are going to really see things, the flip side of 15 second videos and almost like, why we do it? Why do we keep doing it? And there isn't a dark side to it, but as parents, why would you let your kids do that? You know, we hear that. And so I think it'll be a nice way and a nice story for people to understand that. Yeah, and I think it's fucking fascinating to anyone to see

a family go to, like, this is a level of stardom from TikTok that's never happened before. So I think you guys are incredibly interesting and incredibly relatable too, which is I think why people love Charlie and Dixie in general because they look like your friend next door. I know. I love when they work with, you know, new partners or whatever in the business and whether it's big companies or just people. And we always get the follow-up emails and like, I can't believe how, like people, I don't know, that's what I'm saying. People have these ideas of who they are and they're just like they're just like really good kids and really nice girls that are good partners in business and they're smart and you know so I I just that's like my favorite thing because

they work hard I think that's another thing people don't think they work hard for the things to work well that's that's a classic thing just because it's on social media people think it's not hard where I mean the pressure of once you get famous and people are expecting like every video to be the most epic thing from them and everyone judging every second like i'm just you should be very proud of them burning in hell we love to talk about the darker sides of like of life do you suffer from anxiety at all or do you have suffer from depression at all because mental health and social media are pretty intertwined you know i was thinking about this because i had a feeling it would it would go there with this podcast

so i i don't know what i'm the youngest of four girls i have three of the most of the most amazing sisters and two of the most amazing women cousins who were raised like my sisters in my life that are badass beautiful and I feel I was kind of a lot younger than my older sisters so I feel like why wasn't I more self-conscious or am I going to be good enough or can I live up to that because my sisters were badass but for some reason and I don't know how my parents did it. It was almost like, you were just one of them. Like, I was like young. I'm like, I haven't done anything. I don't know how to do anything, but how are, how do I, I, I was just never a thought. And I never, I just did what I did. I think we all just did what I, we did.

We worked hard. We had good work ethic. And I, I, I started modeling when I was 18. And, you know, that was 1990. And they were not afraid. you walk in and they're like no you got to get out of here and i i don't know why it never rocked me like it just really didn't it should have like i feel like i wonder if my kids would hear that now like how they would respond they would be upset they would be hurt that's harsh you know and it was just the norm back then and you know you're too short your jaw lines to this you have hair too much hair on your arms i don't like you the way you walk and i was like i'm a town Right. And I just knew that I, there were things I couldn't change. I can't grow taller. Trust me, I would love that, but I can't. So I'm just going to keep going until I get a job, book a job that works for me. Like it just never slowed me down. I never got down about it. So I don't know how that happened. And so I am more on the calm side. I think most anxiety comes from for me is when we have like,

people coming over and I'm like the classic running around like a nut oh my god feed the dogs we can pick up this and my family's like you're doing all this so we can have people over to have fun like you're taking all the fun out of it and I'm like but that that makes me anxious is not having things situated because I like getting situated before people get there and I'm usually like my hair is still wet I'm not dressed like I'll be back and let yourself in I hate that. That gives me probably in my life the most amount of anxiety. My mom is the same way. Like she'll care so much about like the rug being like slightly off. And I'm like there's important things happening. But I don't know why we do. I feel like overall you're very comfortable in

your own skin. But if you had to pick an insecurity about yourself, especially now that you're in mainstream media, what do you think it is? I think I have a lot of insecurities. I mean, I feel I was I was always very shy growing up until I was probably in my 20s so I kind of when I'm in a big crowd I feel like I go back to that shy kid and I hate that like I feel like I'm wrong so much why am I doing that just talk to people like that I don't even know why I do it I don't know if I'm like you know do I think I'm going to sound stupid like I didn't graduate college am I like not going to say the right thing like are these people smarter than me I have all of those things. Also, my hands, I always say, my hands were made for pockets.

Wait, I joke because I just got engaged and that I have nubby fingers and we have to normalize nubby fingers. So, thank you. I mean, these long, beautiful fingers that girls have in every commercial. I'm like, that is not realistic. I know. So I get nails to try to help, but yeah, it's a whole thing. I love this. I love this. You're doing so well in Well, another fun one. If you went to a psychic right now, what would you want to know about your future? I don't think I would want to know. I like the not knowing. And because I feel like you work a little bit harder, whether it's on yourself or on goals or things like that. I feel like if you know, it takes the journey out of it. The part of that to get you there is like the everyday stuff. I don't think I'd want to know. I love that. Okay. We have one final game called The Seven Deadly Sins.

Seven Deadly Sins. What are you greedy about? Okay, this might be the opposite of that, but I am too much like, oh, no, it's fine. No, no, don't worry about it. I got it. Like, I will sacrifice just to know. You're like greedy about people pleasing? Yeah.

I know. Mark gets on me all the time. He's like, I will get you anything. Just tell me what it is. I'm like, well, if I had to pick one thing, like just attention. But like not too much attention. No, I'm the same way. Like I'm such a stupid people pleaser. But you're also doing so much business though and probably making some really important decisions for the girl. So are you able to put on like a business cap for those moments and be more assertive? It's been great because Mark and I, everything that comes to us is, um, We look at it with such different eyes, but I feel like between the two of us, we cover everything. I always look at things in like as a mom and why certain things wouldn't work. And I can't even be specific right now. I can't even think of something. But like, well, if she, if you need her to do that, like, when are we eating lunch? There's no, like, she's not at eating. I'm always that.

Like, and, you know. It's important. Yeah. And Mark's looking. at a different side of it. So I would say I am very good. And the things that jump out to me are glaring. And the things that jump out to Mark, like, I'm like, oh, I didn't even think about that. So we have, we're very lucky that way when we look at things differently. That is great to have like that one to punch of perspective. Yeah. Also, how much do you monitor the girls on social

media? I know that sometimes you'll occasionally tell them to take something down, like they're pretty hard on themselves. I mean, at this point, they're like, I think we got it. But every once in a while, I'm like, like, what's the point of that? I don't get it. That was like dumb. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that I probably shouldn't have done it.

But it's hard too, because they're like making trends. Yeah. Like they're like making the trends. So it's like she might do something different and weird. And then next, you know, it's cool the next week because everyone's copying her. Charlie, it was like, she started flipping off the camera in her videos. And I was like, okay, you have two middle fingers. Who cares?

Like, what are you doing? What's the point? She was like, I don't do anything rebellious. Let me have that. And I'm like, okay, you did it a hundred times. Like, can we move on? Like, not even, it's boring at this point. She was like, eh.

But she stopped doing it. So they kind of respect you, like, aesthetically as like the cool mom who kind of of knows what's up um i don't know about that but they've always i mean this goes back from when they were younger and they first got social media and they would ask us you know about should i post this and they still do that so they'll send me something should i post this literally all the time and i'm like oh my god that's so adorable i look at it and i'm like okay what am i missing why would she there's some when they asked there's something about it that they think they're unsure about And so I'm like, what, what's your question?

Like, what is it about it? Because I don't see it. And, you know, she'll tell me, be like, oh, I didn't even get that from that. She's like, okay, I'll post it. But sometimes, like, when she, like, I get it. Like, it's more obvious why she's questioning or Dixie. And, well, she has so many eyes that are about to be on. And I'm like, you know, if you're questioning, then you got to like ask yourself why, you know.

It's just like, like, love. life went from like less pressure to like everything is a lot more pressurized but maybe like pressure is a privilege kind of thing honestly i feel like the kids high school middle school that's a lot of pressure and when they had a hundred followers it felt the same it's a lot but you know being comfortable in what you post and confident you know i think helps and having being able to have a place to come to Mark and I to have those conversations, I think was really good for them. Yeah, like staying true to themselves and not just conforming to other things because they got so big. And people love them for being themselves originally. I know. Sometimes they

post stuff. I'm like, but like, I feel like if you loved it all, it's like, you're a mom. You got be rolling your eyes a little. And they have to roll their eyes at you. Okay, next question. Who are you envious of? Okay. This is going to sound really weird, the rock, because I want to spend that much time in the gym. Like, the lifting is my favorite thing to do on the planet. You love working out. Lifting weights heavy. I love that. And I like assume because he's huge. Workouts don't get pushed off the calendar. And so I am envious of that. I love that. Well, that's how you keep the bod right. And also I feel like you keep the mind right when you're in the gym especially lifting when i when i work out it's you know not like oh an intentional thing but it's just what it does for my mind is way more than what it does

for my body i mean i like the way the results look on my body but it's all about the mind it's so major yeah yeah sometimes i even just i need to just go for a walk like a dog needs to be just to get out of the house for sure um what was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger like you're italian right i'm not but i'm probably equal is i'm kajun and i'm from french spanish so yeah i go oh yeah it's spicy there's spicy things happening because i'm have italian and i'm sicilian so it's probably my neighbor she like makes my dogs bark she goes out and does things and like antagonizes the dogs and that makes me so mad Yep. No, that's, you see, she's just like us. She has problems with annoying neighbors.

Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you were a sloth? So like super lazy did nothing all day. Oh, yeah. I think like, oh, no, no. This, this was bad. This was, I don't know what. Okay, so Thursday, Thursday night, I went to bed. I didn't shower and wash my hair until someday. I had the same sweatpants. I would bounce in and out of outside sweatpants on. I had like biking shorts on there, sweatpants off on. I'm like, I'm so disgusting. I think Mark was out of town.

I was by myself and I'm like, yeah, I don't even really gross. I was like grossed out of myself. I do. It just sounds like quarantine to me. But it was so great. And I just lounged and did nothing and ate snow caps and like, oh, It was the best. Oh, hell yeah.

I love that. I love that so much. This is the tough one. When was the last time you let your pride or your ego get in the way of something? Ooh. I feel like I don't sit with that stuff a lot. And I don't know if I'm scared to. Because I don't know.

I don't know what I might come up with. No, I don't. I very much like. You're like, there's parts of your mind you shouldn't delve into. I'm a little bit on that. I don't know. I'm the fourth child, okay? I was like queen of hand me down.

It's like, I don't know. I don't feel like I don't like that in other people when people have an ego and like here I'm so I'm almost like want to go so far the other way just to like show you like I'm just not like that. Like I really, really let me just say when Mark. And I started dating. He was like, he was joke and say, you got to go to Louisiana and find a wife because they are the nicest hot. They drink beer out of a can and go to Walmart.

Like we're not talking Tiffany's and, you know, and like joking. But like just really like really truly happy with very little. Like I just like my family, my dogs like chilling out. I don't need a lot of stuff to feel good. I don't know. I love that so much. But I also feel like now that you're in this life where you guys have all these other options, keeping that perspective, I think is going to be really beneficial to you guys.

Yeah. And it's almost like the more people we meet, we're meeting people that aren't like that. And it almost reminds us like, yeah, let's just stay like we are. Yeah. And you'll always have each other and be able. to trust each other um final question because you have lived many different eventful incredible things in your life ups and downs what advice would you give to the listeners and what to do when they're in hell how to cope with their hell when things are going tough how do you get out of it i feel like

reminding yourself that whatever you're feeling is not going to last forever because i feel like when you're in that, it feels like it's never going to end. And I know for as a mom with my kids, it's like sometimes I just, I just need to get them through that moment, whatever that is. Like just make them feel good, lay with them, leave them alone, get them ice cream, bring the dogs in, whatever it is that, you know, maybe not be the best from a parenting standpoint, oh, we're, you know, we're going to prove a point and we're going to do this and this and this. Sometimes you just got to make it soft, a soft landing for them and like get them through the moment. So because once you get through that moment, you have a little more perspective.

And then I, and then I try to like remember after the moment that's really hard. Like, I did that. I made it through. And I realized like that's going to happen again. And I'm going to get through that too. even in the hard times like it's not going to stay like that forever i think that's so hard when you're in the middle of it like this isn't going to last forever it's going to get better that's hard you have to remind yourself that and write it down put it everywhere remind yourself say it a million times because it does get better oh Heidi you are so refreshing like it's stupid to be like you're down to earth but like you really are and i know that this like crazy family fame is so new to you but I just am so excited to see

all the stuff your family's going to do to entertain the world. And where can people follow you, watch you, listen to you? Can you give me the info? Yes. So you can follow me on all my socials at Heidi DeMilio. Mark and my podcast is Mark and Heidi, the

other DeMilios. And our Hulu show comes out on Hulu, of course, on September 3rd. So stay tuned for that. That is so exciting. And finally, if there's any thing you want people to take and know about the D'Amelio fam, what would you say? I don't know.

We just like to have fun. Like, we're actually, I'm the least funny in the group, but I have a really, really funny family, and they can't be funny online because people don't get sarcasm. And I wish we would normalize sarcasm again, not bullying, not being mean, being, like, also You are preaching to the choir, bitch. We are a family. We are going to kill on each other. That's what we do.

So we've got to let us do that sometimes. Wait, I totally get you because I was like, you know, pressing, trying to feel it out. But I realized like just because you guys are doing dance moves and just because, you know, there's dating rumors or music videos, at the end of the day, you guys have a great sense of humor. And that's what helps you get through stuff. So I'm excited for this Hulu Doc. I'm going to watch all of it.

and thank you so much for your time. I know you're so freaking busy, and I can't wait to see you guys take over the world. This was fun. Thank you so much for having me. And I want to come back on after the show comes out. We'll do it again. And then you can like, get in deep and see what you fuck.

Yes. I'm like, so, so how did that happen? Why did that happen? Should we be mad at Mark? Are we not mad at Mark? Team Mark? Okay, Heidi, I'll let you go. Thanks so much for coming to hell.

And I'll talk to you later. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Mh-ha-ha-ha-ha. I don't know.