Berner Phone - Hunter March: Nightly Pop & His Problems

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Hunter March is an extremely successful host who has been on E!, Netflix, and The Game Show Network. He's hilarious, informative, and opens up about his family, relationships, surviving Los Angeles, and living his dream of being the host with the mostest. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Hell. Okay, guys, we're in a very special episode of hell. Very special because not only have I been trying to get this interview organized for a while, but he's like the ultimate host, and he, like, is always in control on camera, and we're swapping it today. Like, we are going to make him so uncomfortable. I am so excited. We are with The Incredible Hunter March. I already, just that intro, I got so much anxiety going through my body.

You clenched your butthole? It's, well, it goes in there because it's just have fun. It's the play area. Honestly, same. You, so I first discovered you on Nightly Pop. You didn't discover me, though. I discovered you. Oh, yeah, you did.

I slid into your DM. and then I didn't realize you were in a relationship because it wasn't like a super public thing you were like posting it everywhere and then like one day I saw you were getting married or something and I'm like okay well that's going to make it harder but I'm just gonna try to fuck her I guess no I'm kidding I've been into decentering men for my life so no one knows what's going on yeah but your DM if I remember right it could have been taken professionally you were just like you're like you're really funny and I was like maybe just has great taste I looked it up right before we started this thing as I was like it's gonna come up at something like what I said I said I want to do you're like what I say I said I want you wasn't going to call you out but I like that you did oh who cares I said big fan of everything about you with like the praise emojis which very unlikely someone's going to take that entirely professionally but it was it ended up becoming professional only by circumstance oh my god okay so are you like a dm slider I when I'm dating yeah like when I'm like actively dating but I'll go through especially lately just months and months and months of like I don't want to see anybody because I know my brain too well I know that I love dating yeah and that it's fun and I love having a crush

and you could be like the shittiest person I will make it so fun to like you it's the best I love that like first but the problem is there's nutrition right it's like especially I don't know if you ever were in like a serious like a lot of dating and you were loving it because how long have you been in your relationship now two years two years we it all happened open very fast. I've had, I've had pretty normal length relationships, like a year here, a year and a half, maybe two. But I also feel like you are, you're like coming into your peak right now. Like you haven't even approached it. So you've spent your relationship in your peak. Good for that guy. Hey, great for him. But bummer for you, you know?

You know, he's, yeah, he's at, he's ended his peak. He's 46. So I got him when, I joke when he was tired. Because let's be honest, in his peak, he wouldn't have been focused. to be able to, like, have a healthy relationship. He was touring, he's traveling. But I also think I like that in a time my life where I'm now getting busy, I don't have to worry about dating. That's exactly what I want now, too. Which is why I'm not casually dating anymore.

Now it's like, I'll go on a date. If I like the person a lot, I'll go on a second date. Nothing happening first date. I'm being good. I'm being good. I'm being good. I'm being good. I don't know who that is, but I don't like it.

She's in charge of Millionaire Matchmaker. And she has a dating show and all these rules where she's like, you know, nothing in any hole until you're monogamous. It's like all these rules that I don't abide to. You make a hole with your hand. Is that okay? Nope. Really? So I guess you just got to kind of do it like. You could do like an over-the-pants hand job.

Yeah, you have to just keep the fingers together and flat and rub over the. Very Mormon, yeah. Wait, I love this for you. Did you feel, because it's fun to be like a guy in L.A., good-looking. have some success and have, but you kind of burnt out? It's not that I burnt out. It's just that it, I grew up here. So it's not.

Yeah, I got a ton of HPV everywhere. It was like, no, I just, I really did kind of realize like, oh, man, this is such a time suck. Because even though the dates only an hour and a half or two hours or whatever, there's like texting for hours beforehand or whatever. And I try not to, like usually when I like someone, I'll just either. I'll meet them and I'll go, hey, I really want to take you out to dinner. And then the next step is dinner. That's mature because there's something about, like, keep the high value conversation for in person so that they want to connect with you in person.

Because over text, it's so misleading. I've gotten, like, huge crushes on guys over text because I'm, like, taking what they're saying as, like, funny and sarcastic, but they're really just dumb. Yeah. And then you meet them in person and you're like, there's no charisma here that I just projected all my charisma on to you. Well, I think the other problem is, too, you are. so charismatic that in person. No, I'm being serious because I, I'm, I'm the, I'm with you. Like, I think when I go on a date, I'm comfortable.

Like, I'm, I talk to people for a living. I do interviews. It's not really like, I'm never out of my element on a date. You can make a conversation good regardless. Yeah, and I feel like you can too. So when a guy's talking to you on text message, he thinks he's in control the conversation. And men like that. And some men who insecure men really do like being the dominant one.

But on a date, as soon as they realize you're funnier than them and probably smarter than them, and just better than them, they shut down, and then they can't act right. I do have to say long term, I'm as, like, boring as anyone, but I'm great on, like, first date energy and, like, and interview, like, a first interview. Like, I'm on my shit. And so many dates afterwards, I'm like, was that a good date? Or am I just really good at this? I've been there, too.

And, like, I also, because I'm, like, type A in a way, I'd, even if I don't, like the guy. I want the date to go well just because I want the experience to go well. But then you seem like a psycho when you're like hey I don't, I'm not into this and they're like but we laugh the entire time. I'm like yeah because that's just how I want to live my life. I want to laugh through this life even if

you're fucking annoying me. Yeah. But you're from, you're an L.A. boy. You're up in the valley. Yeah. We come from two different worlds. I'm from Brooklyn. Two different valleys basically. Yeah. Yeah. One valley, a little smell.

smaller than the other. Yeah. And I like have, this is my like fifth time ever coming to L.A. Really? Yes. Because when I see you on Instagram, I'm like, oh, she's everywhere. She's Bicose. So then you had like a show where you were in the Hamptons or something. Yeah, yeah. Like, where isn't she? And then it turns out never here, because we've been trying to set this up for so long. Yeah. Do you like being from L.A.? Do you like living in L.A.? Is it just all you know? It's all I know. But that being said, I'm so ready to get out. Like I cannot wait. Like, it's you in Austin. It's too hot there, I think.

I think it's too Austin-y. What, you're trying to go to, like, Colorado? Yeah, Oregon. Like, Oregon or Washington have, like, 100 acres in the woods, never have to see people. Like, that's a problem, though, because I need to get married first because I'm not going to meet the love of my life as a hermit. So I need to get married. What's your sign? Aries.

Okay. But I think growing up in L.A., I've been, like, burnt out on, I never went to the parties in the clubs growing up. it wasn't my thing and then when I started working in this industry I started getting invited to things like I do a podcast with Paris Hilton which was never that wasn't on the mood board for me like it wasn't like a manifestation thing I just listen to Annie Lederman's episode so I'm saying that but I do I never that was a chaotic episode oh boy it was like I was just say that that was edited down from two hours that was a chaotic episode I was coming into this episode being like I've got to figure out what are the darkest things in my entire life to bring up we're getting there I'm just budding you up right now I'm like What's it like being from the valley. Right, that's a good warm-up question. So then I started doing the podcast of Paris,

and she invited me to, like, her birthday and her wedding and stuff. And in those split seconds, I was there, in the moments where I'm, like, looking around, I'm like, ooh, that's, it was a weird group of people at all of these things. It was like Iggy Azalea was there, and then Katie Couric. And I was having a conversation with Katie because I was too nervous to go to Iggy. But in those moments, you start thinking, and it's the L.A. effect is you think you belong. in these circles that you just happen to

have happenstanced into and my brain because I'm so like I still have that like insecure middle school guy in me I go I don't belong here and I always want to leave events I never want to stay there

because I realize I've seen all my friends go to one thing and then go yeah that's kind of my thing now like I do that I'm like no you don't you got you waited in line you got into somewhere and you met someone kind of cool it's not a thing you know

you come off This is why you're funny, though, because they always say, like, the comics are, we're not the cool kids. We're the kids at the party who are kind of, like, joking about stuff and, like, don't actually want to be there because we have too much anxiety. I do have to say, I was watching you, was it the Oscars? Like, what was a big event you recently did? Recently? Maybe it wasn't the Oscars. One of the award shows that, like, everyone's kind of trying to be funny, but it's not always happening.

And, like, you could tell everyone's nervous, like, they got the gig they wanted. Right. And it cut to you, like, you were standing somewhere with a mic. And you made me laugh so hard. Like, you have, like, natural charisma. Oh, I think I was at the Vanity Fair after party. After, was it after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock? This was, like, early on.

Like, it was early on in the night. Oh, oh, yay. And my friend, Naz, I love Nas. She was great. She, like, cut to you. And you just said some, like, wild, funny shit. Oh, it's the scariest thing I do. Because you have, like, eight seconds.

Yeah, when I'm on Nightly Pop, the other E Sheport, that I do. It's not live. So like I will say insane shit that shouldn't be set on television, especially not by a straight white guy. Like that's the most, I'm in the most dangerous position to say these things. And you're with two women. Don't call your shit out. They call it out. So it's like I have this like natural barometer of how bad what I'm saying is. But I never say anything that's like cancel. I'm never like everything, nothing's offensive. But when I'm live, I don't know if you get this thing. But it's like as soon as the camera's like they go three, two, one, like four fucked up things go through my brain. I go, don't say that.

and then I narrow down to like the one thing I can't say also I don't want to be on those carpets and I've told them repeatedly like guys I don't love carpets it gives me anxiety I know you and when I got the job at E I specifically said I don't want to do carpets and they want to throw you on so bad because I think it's like I'm the I'm the boyfriend

that doesn't want to I'm the guy that doesn't want to be there and so you're like but don't you want to and I'm like no I really don't I like I get so anxious I don't have like a reverence for celebrities like the entire culture of the network promotes and so like when I meet them I'm like hi how's it going you know like I was talking to Jeff Goldblum once who I love I think he's one of the greatest people

but I just like him for a skill I'm not like enamored by his presence yeah I just love him you're not gonna fan girl not gonna fan girl and so we started talking we were flirting like it was very fun that's the best interviews that's why you're probably actually really good at it even though you, because you don't care about it that much. Yeah, I had the best time interviewing and then someone on my team, not on my team anymore, was like, hey, make sure to kind of show a little bit more reverence.

But Jeff Goldblum left the interview saying that was one of my favorite interviews I've ever done. No, because when you watch an interview, you don't want the first two minutes, them saying, like, you're so amazing, no, you're so amazing, no, you're so amazing. It's like, okay, we get it. We're amazing.

We're at an award show. Let's like ask them weird things that get them like a little uncomfortable. Yeah, I like going into any time I interview someone, I think it's a really good concept. for anything. You go into a job interview, you have a date, everything. As I go in with like three evergreen questions or talking points or whatever, but I'm willing to abandon all of them past the hello if they bring up something more interesting. Because you realize, like, as a host,

you probably know this too. It's like being a good TV host is not about being noticed for being a good TV host. It's about not being noticed. Like you are, you're just the conduit for the audience. Whatever the audience is thinking, you should be personifying or saying so that everyone feels like they're on the same page. Yes. You almost have to be the voice of the people. 100%. Like what the people are thinking and you're the truth teller.

Because they'll get mad if they're, I've had interviews where when I first started where people were like, she didn't call them out or like, she was too nice to that person. And you're like, oh, I'm representing the people. Or you just go hard for like who you are and what you stand for. Which I think in your world is a little, makes way more sense because it's comedy. It is such a personality driven this particular show. And I think anything you'll do moving forward. It's going to be hard to dial back to personality.

Do you know my first dream? Well, my first dream was to be a tennis player, but at the end of it, I tried to be, at my last season, I tried to be a sports broadcaster. You'd be great. Because I love sports. Yeah. And I know all sports pretty well. I come from a sports family, and I love the camera, and I liked editing.

But I realized that my personality was like too much for it, because I was, I knew all the athletes, but I got great interviews because we were just at the bar together the night before, And then I'm up to them and I'm talking to them. And I, you know what? My dream was to be like a host. My dream was to be a sports broadcaster. And then I guess I leaned a little more into my personality. And now I can't.

But I could see myself in the future like, I mean, Nikki Glazer doing Fuckboy Island. Like that's a dream job. Like being able to shit on all these guys all the time. But you are also like, you didn't just pop out. You are genetically like made to be a host. your grandpa was like an icon in the host world. Did a little bit of research. Yes.

I went pretty deep on Wikipedia page. On my phone before the test, it did look up. No, wait, Hal March. Howmarch? What a strong name. Super strong name. You know what's funny is I'm, again, this is one reason why you inspire me and Annie and everybody else who does stand-up.

I love stand-up. I think stand-up's one of the greatest mediums ever. I have tried it three times I didn't do bad I only bombed once and that's because I came in thinking the first two were good I'll improvise

and I was like holy fuck but bombing is also good because it means you're like working on stuff and then you get less scared of the bomb and you learn how to like navigate a bomb which was great and I learned a lot about myself

about everything but then I realized people who do who get good at stand-up hate themselves yeah well I'm good there You're like, I don't need laughter every night. I have self-esteem. No, no, no. I'm not that.

I need the laughter. But I realize that people who, like, don't, if they don't do well at stand-up, they go back to a job that they hate. Like, stand-up is their, like, that's the thing. If they don't have that, nothing else will make them even remotely close to us happy, right? And that's why they're so driven why stand-up comedians go through one of the hardest transitions of any career ever to get good, right? It's like the biggest learning curve.

and a lot of them are trying to become television personalities, actors, whatever. So I go up and then if I don't have a good night, I'll go, I'll just go back to being a television and I'll never have to do this again. You're like, wait, I'm doing what you all want to do. We joke that the stand-ups will make fun of like actors, like, oh, I'm an actor, my art, I'm an actor.

When meanwhile, the second we get an acting gig, we're like, fuck stand-up. You're 100%. It's also like it's a grimy, like it's a hard job. It's disgusting. That's why women don't do it. People are like, women aren't funny. No, it's because it's disgusting.

And women, it's like to go into bars at, like, 2 a.m. in a gross place full of disgusting men, like, it's, and then you have to make them laugh. Like, it's tough, and that's why it gets hard. But I do think that with stand-up, I was told by, like, my team, like, you're going to lose shows. You're going to get shows. You're going to have chances. But the one thing you can always be in control of is your stand-up career. And I joked with you, like, I always wanted to be bicostal because I, like, you know,

I had to shoot something in L.A., and it's like, no, I actually just like, I can just be like, hey, can someone book a gig for me and I'll do it? So it is very like entrepreneurial in that way, which is fun. But growing up, and so Hal was a comic too? He, Hal was a comic, but being a comic back then was a little bit different. He had a radio show. Yes. And Sweeney and March, or March and Sweeney, whatever it was. And they were like one of the biggest radio shows. Wow. Then he became the host of the $64,000 question, or the $64,000 another question, which was the original Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Wow.

I'm now, the reason I bring up the stand-up is I'm writing like a one-man show that I am giving myself five years to finish. I don't care if I do it any time soon, but really it's like the story of my how my parents met, but it goes through the back story of my grandparents because I realize and this is how I imagine starting the show, it's like

when my parents, I didn't have any grandparents. I only knew one before she passed away when I was young. And so all of the stories of their parents are gone. Like, I don't know. anything about them besides what I can Google so I and I just want to be able to tell my kids like hey this is who your grandparents were this is who your great-grandparents were and so I started writing this thing thinking you'd be like a children's book and then I realized my family's pretty

fucked up I would not read any of this shit to my children like my I realized my great-grandpa's middle name they all changed their names everybody of my family changed their names from something but my great-grandpa's middle name was Adolf and I was like good thing Jewish Jewish but Adolf was somehow the middle name. Okay. And then I was like, well, thank God it wasn't a first name. Turns out his dad's first name was Adolf. So now that I've like, and then it's like the story, there's like suicide in this story in my family and like closet.

My grandpa was a closeted gay man and my mom knew. It's like crazy stuff. And so for me, stand up would be like the perfect way to tell this such a dark story. And that's the type of standup I'd love to do. Oh, yeah. Well, my, it sounds weird to say, my husband, he. He's done one-man shows about the death of his parents, like when his dad passed away, because he learned all this stuff about his dad's life that ended up being, like, super dark.

But you go on this journey of it where you realize, like, I made you who you are. And then his mom passed away, and he's like, my mom will curse me out if I just had to show my dad. So I had to do it my mom. She'll, like, put a spell on me in heaven. So, and it's interesting. And I'm like, wow, our children are going to be very mentally ill. But it's, it's so interesting to learn, like, oh, that's what made me. me me and like the generational trauma but also how each generation tries to be better than the

last oh we're all trying it's funny because i i wonder if my i don't think my dad tried to be better than the last my dad was like my grand his dad was one of the biggest movie stars and television stars in the world he was on i live lucy a lot his show was so popular my grandfather's that it was getting like 30 million viewers an episode shut the fuck up the president reportedly at the time again, all stuff I've researched now, would say that there were no meetings, no conversations during the time because he wanted to watch the show. And crime fell by like 30 to 40 percent during the hour of his show at its heyday. And you never met him. I never met him. He passed when my dad was like 11. And I never wanted to, it's not like my parents growing up were like,

you keep trying to be funny and just annoying everyone around you, you're going to be a television host. Nobody said that. Nobody thought about it. It was just there was a talent show at school and I was watching all these kids go up and sing Jason Maraz. That's what it was at the time. And I was like, I can't sing. And then I would see kids dance. I'm like, I can't dance. And then they're like, we want someone to host the talent show.

And I was like, what are the qualifications? They're like, TV hosts don't have any qualifications. Most of the time, you just work. You just need to want attention. Totally. The only qualification nowadays is that you were on The Bachelor. That's like the only qualification for being a TV host in 2022. Well, your story is interesting because, like, you're a white dude that has kind of like,

navigated the industry and you're on one of like the most relevant late night shows for like people my age millennials. Which is weird. I never thought our audience was young until like the last couple of years I've realized that there are not just 55. Because when we started doing the show they're like our audience is 50 and up. We grew up on on e. I guess like the Kardashians have a lot of different people that watch but like E was what I grew up with. He had wild ass shows. Yeah, did. And it's nostalgic and stuff. But do you feel like deep down you are great at what you do because of your grandpa? I think it's just passed down through nurture in that way.

Like my dad is super funny, very charismatic, very charming. And then I think I just... Yeah, same with my dad. Really? Yeah, but he's like never thought that he could ever like perform in any way. Like to his day, I'm like, dad, start a podcast on like New York sports and he's like, no. And he'll say stuff and I'm like, that's a stand-up bit. And he's just like, no, but like, grumpy.

Just grumpy. Yes, just tired and grumpy. My dad's tired and grumpy too, but he, we grew up so poor with him on the weekends. And then with my mom, we were like going to Hawaii for Christmas and stuff, like middle, upper middle class. And so now my dad is like, he retired to Costa Rica because that's the only place he could kind of afford to live. It's not like, it's not like, oh, all the money in the world go to Costa Rica. It's like $400 a month for rent. I think just himself. but he uh so like my whole thing is i'm trying to like support and help as much as i can but we'll

do videos and like one will go viral and we had one go super viral on ticot like four million views and like hundreds of thousands of likes and then he started sleeping with women that would comment on the thing he would like i'd be like dad how'd you meet her he goes on that ticot i responded to her thing then we met it we started talking on instagram she lives in san diego i'm going and i'm like we're never shooting a fucking video again you're going to give me a little brother you have to stop oh my god So now I'm like, I've told him the dangers of the internet. I'm like, you are being catfish by one of those women for sure. He's been scammed online.

And I'm like, Dad, you can't do this. You need to get him a flip phone. The problem is, like, gave him his iPhone against his will. I was like, if you're going to live in Costa Rica, I need to be able to FaceTime. But he also, like, I put a screen protector on his phone, like, one of those, like, glass ones, whatever. And when I went to visit him in Costa Rica, I saw that his phone was shattered. I'm like, what happened? And he goes, I dropped the fucking thing.

Can you believe it? And I go, Dad, it's just the screen protector. And I go, let me take it off. He goes, no, no, don't take it off. Because if you take it off, then I'll break the other thing. I go, you're not just going to live with a cracked phone. What are you? Who are you?

What are you doing? And so I took it off again. Everything's against my dad's will for the better of him. Wow. Yeah. Sounds like you have to parent him a little bit. Oh, not a little bit. It's, and my mom growing up was like, you don't realize your dad needs your help.

Like, you think he's the coolest guy in the world, but he needs your help. Oh. So he was the. fun one super fun and she was probably like well someone needs to fucking raise these kids yeah she had it run when did they divorce when i was four oh okay so it was it was early yeah i don't remember any of it i just know that they were better off apart for sure and they were amicable for most of the that's great most of my life still amicable but yeah she had to deal with like homework and school and bringing us in like admin as she was an admin and she like i never had to be like i never was an admin and she like i never

ever did homework. So I got in so much trouble. Every single report card. She'd be like, isn't your report card supposed to come? I'm like, aren't you supposed to my job business? You're like, worry about yourself, mom? I was like, I don't know where it is, mom. Oh no, worry about dad. Where is he? Has anyone seen him? So you also wrote a self-help book for teens. Yeah, I mean, that's like one of my, that's my least exciting accolade. I'm like so embarrassed by the fact that I wrote book. No, I'm fascinated by it because like, why did you think teens needed your help? what got a complex did you know

no but what made you inspired to do it well I was doing I had a YouTube channel and just like every other kid did back then I was doing a lot of comedy stuff but then I started working for this company called awesomeness TV and I did a series where I gave advice to like we had mostly girl audience

but from the guy's perspective yeah it wasn't trying to tell you how to live your life I was just saying hey this is probably how the guy's thinking about it yeah just mansplaining everyone I'm just kidding absolutely and also mansplaining in the worst way where I sugar coating everything

because it was teen girls. So I'd be like, he probably just didn't see the text. You know, I was like really fucked up. But I should have just been like, listen, it's clear. Keep calling him every night. He's confused. Yeah. So that, again, not great.

But then I did enjoy it. It was really fun to do. And so one day, Scholastic, I approached me. And we were like, hey, would you ever want to do a book? And I was like, I would love to do like a chicken suit for the soul because I don't think I'm capable of writing a full book. At least I don't think I should. So I'll write half the stories.

And then the other half of stories will be written by other influencers. Oh, cool. Yeah. And then I was like, well, this is crazy because I guess I'm the next Jack Canfield, the guy who wrote chicken soup of the soul. And then turns out not a lot of kids read books. So I had a meet and greet that like six people showed up to and I'm like, okay, well, I guess I'm going to end it all. This is so embarrassing. But it's funny because it's like I feel like the early children, the parents will read the books to them.

And then it's like they only read, I only read stuff that my school forced upon me. And let's be honest, we Spark noted it. And now we all can't read. shit longer than a caption. If the caption's too long, I'm not reading that shit because someone's overcompensated for something. Yeah, one thousand percent. Was there any advice though, since no one read it? Was there any advice from it that you liked to tell teens about their life? Teens, yeah, for all your teen listeners of learning and hell. But I also feel like it's applicable to like, like, stuff from your teens, I feel like is as important to now.

Sometimes you have to, you're still that little kid inside. Yeah, here's my advice. Don't write a book. That's the biggest advice I can pull away from that entire experience. I would say save the book for when you have a story that only you can tell. Nobody else can tell that story. And you've ruminated on it for like a decade at least. And then write a book by all means. But like I think a lot of people do it prematurely, just like I did. But again, I was opportunistic because I was young and someone said you could do this. And I was going to school to become an English teacher before. I dropped out to do this. Oh. Yeah. I was in college for six months. Oh, so you dropped out for awesomeness TV? I dropped out for awesmess TV, which is, uh, the worst part about my obituary is like

when it says awesomest TV in it. It's just like, I started at Betches. Like I was the video produced. I was the seventh hire. Whoa. Yeah. We have a similar story in that like I was doing nothing. I was like doing marketing, quit my job and then started working, making funny videos for

batches. And that's how I then got on to do other shit. But like this is a thing with hosting gigs. Everyone's like, I want to do hosting gig. It is so fucking hard to get a hosting gig. So like the fact that you took awesomeness TV and then we're able to like become a face that's trusted on a cable network is pretty great. Yeah, when like young people come up to me or anybody, you know, I'll get like people who are 45 and they go, I really want to be a TV host. How do you do it?

My genuine answer is like be really, really good at like talking and being charming and all that. but also then beyond that get so lucky so many times along the way because I look back at like my career and I can point out like 10 different times where I happen to make the right decision on a 50-50. Yeah.

Like staying at awesomeness when I was younger as opposed to going to somewhere that offered more money and then folded six months later. Wow. Or someone was like, there was this game show network. They were like, do you want to do the general?

And then I was like, I'm so busy right now. Can we push it? And they're like, it's up to you. And I was like, all right, I'll just go to the general. happen to go to this general meeting at Game Show Network, and then they were like, we're doing a test for a game show if you want to come to the test,

meaning I've skipped now the audition. I've skipped the callback and the callback, and now I'm going to a test where there's just 10 people in a room who've all practiced this thing 45 times now, and it's my first time doing it. They're like, it's this week. If I had pushed the meeting, I wouldn't have gone to the test,

and then I wouldn't have got the gig. Because when I started working for awesomeness, I would write this daily report thing that I wheezed on my way into. So it was like three minutes every day of a news report for this YouTube channel. But I would write it. I would set up the camera.

I would record myself and hope it was in focus. I would focus on myself, press record. I would shoot the whole thing, have to memorize my lines. We didn't have a teleprompter. So I had to read like a paragraph and say a paragraph. And then I had to edit myself for the first like 700 episodes of that show

because we couldn't get an editor. We couldn't just afford one or whatever. And nothing makes you. a better anything than watching yourself do it over and over again and hating your voice. And also, I know, but having like the experience to know all facets of the job, even though now you get to kind of just like go up there and be the forefront, but you know exactly kind of what they're doing behind the scenes, which makes you better at your job. Totally. I love playing to cruise. Like when I'm performing on a set, it's rare that I care about

making my co-host laugh as much as I care about making camera guys laugh because if camera guys are laughing people at home are laughing. That's how I was on reality TV except they normally cut what made the camera guys laugh so people at home they never saw that shit but like you're sitting there and you this is a human holding like you're bloated in a bathing suit like crying about something you have to turn to the you have to get the camera guy to life a little because I'm like how did you end up here it's 90 degrees in the Hamptons and you have to watch me talk about a fucking like but anyway so You want their approval more than anybody else on a set.

It's because they seem so judgmental. All the camera guys, they're veterans. They're like... Yeah, because you're going to get fake laughs from your host. You want the guys who are not having a good time to turn. I love it. You want to turn the audience? That's all I care about.

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In terms of depression and anxiety, are you both? Are you one of the other? Do you lean towards one? I was dealing with, like, pretty bad depression and anxiety for, like, like, you're like the end of last year, beginning of this year. And then I got, it got so bad that, like, one of my friends was like, hey, it kind of worried about you. And I was like, really?

And then they're like, yeah, you should, you should maybe talk to someone. I was like, I've got a therapist. They're like, do you ever get vulnerable with your therapist? I'm like, no, it's more like, what happens when we die? He's like, you're wasting your money, big guy. But there was like, this person that I was talking to was actually a new friend. It was a girl that I was dating at the time. And she, I love her.

Like, she was so helpful to me. She was younger than me, but she was so much smarter than me when it came to emotional maturity. And she was like, when you leave a room and you've just made everyone laugh, do you think that they leave that party? And this is a good question for you too. Do you think they leave that party going, I had a fun time. Like, that was nice. Hannah was very funny. Hunter was very funny.

I was like, yeah, probably. Like, when I meet someone really funny, I think that, I'll go home with that energy. It's like, makes your night better. And then she's like, do you leave that room or do you drive home thinking, oh, that was a really funny thing. I'm so glad I did. I was like, no. I kind of just think like about the one bad thing I said. And she's like, that's not good.

Like you don't want to become the next Robin Williams. And I was like, ah, yeah, yeah. And then I started like, I had like, she was like, who do you cry to? And I was like, I haven't cried to anybody. Wait, I need to date this girl. The best. you should sleep because I'm with a comedian right now

so we just it's just totally exponential depression in that relationship it's so interesting you said that I learned I used to put a lot of pressure on myself to be like

I have to say the right thing all the time and like what am I going to say and then I learned like people don't remember what you say they remember how they make you made them feel so then I was like I need to make everyone feel like amazing

it doesn't make it any better I don't make everyone feel amazing And then I started to learn, like, you know, that's kind of pre-decided, like, your energy is just there. And that was hard for me to, like, just accept that, like, some people you're going to vibe with some people you aren't. And that's okay. Because I'm like, I want everyone to think I'm awesome. Yeah. And then also, yeah, leaving conversations and just being like, I freaked everyone out.

When, like, realistically, everyone was like, kind of was great. And I'm like, everyone hates me to think I'm super weird. And so that, and that's also just the story you're telling yourself. Absolutely. there was someone who I think it was her who said you need to be okay with people not liking you and I was like I know but what that feels weird and she's like yeah but it's okay because what are the odds that you're the one person on the planet who everyone likes you're not you don't like certain people so obviously some people might not like you the hard thing is for our gig like you

you have to if people don't like you you don't get hired totally I think again oh this is the thing my therapist said he goes you need to be able to take that hat on it off of performing, put that hat on when you walk on to set. When you're with your family, when you're with your friends, you don't need to worry about that. You don't need to be that person. But again, and my friend, we were doing a small amount of mushrooms at the Gettie, which is a great experience if you're over 18. Over 25, actually. I don't recommend drugs really to anybody unless you're over. I didn't do them until it's over 25. Anyway, we were at the Getty and I was a little bit high with my buddy who was also a little bit high and he goes,

it's ever weird you out that like you're in public right now high, but you're also like somewhat famous, like a modicum of fame. And I go, no, because nobody really comes up to me like that. It wasn't, it was early on in the career. And then almost within seconds, five little girls came up to me, like on a school field trip to the Getty and said, hi, are you Hunter March? and in my brain I just heard the brain go and I looked and they were the sweetest nicest little girls luckily it was such a small amount that I was able to shut it out

but then when I sat back down I had never been like higher I was like what the fuck just happened? Well what that guy said that would have triggered me immediately I would have had a panic attack immediately if he's like isn't it scary you're being famous and possibly doing the wrong thing right now while you're high off your mind I'd be like well now I will

but then he said such a beautiful thing He's like, we were talking about it, and we were trying to, like, what is fame? And we're like, it's just weird because it's not that I get noticed everywhere I go. It's not, like, if I go to a very public place and I'm there long enough, it'll happen. But for the most part, it's like I'm a human with a circle around me. And if anybody comes into that circle who happens to know who I am, there's a chance I get recognized. And the only thing I'm really losing, which is why I don't want to get more any, like, I don't care about being a superstar. That's not my thing at all.

But the only thing I've lost is I can't go to, like, Asia and just get hammered at a bar and not care about what I do. Like, I can't go to Portugal and just party my ass off because there is this circle or if someone decides to film me being a jackass or drunk off my head or, you know, running on the street naked, whatever it is. You're like, look, I just want to streak in Japan and now I can't. Now I can't. Yeah, it's this weird thing where like there's that little bubble. However, everyone has one to a degree. Like, even if you're not on camera, but you're in your hometown, you have a bubble around you of people who might recognize you it's probably not something you've ever noticed because not a big deal but the bigger that

bubble gets the more noticeable it is for you in your life i've actually interviewed a couple people who are like doing really well and they're like i don't want to be like crazy famous though no and you don't even realize the levels until you're like in that world to be like oh they can't even get their nails done and the kind of change of life that is and but then you also realize holy fuck even though they're being treated like they're not a human they're still human and they still are dealing with this stuff with the same emotional capacity that like they were when they weren't famous yeah and that's fucking strange and also going back to like everyone liking you thing I always think of like if like for example you have like a cute shirt on right now thank

if you showed that to 10 people just 10 Americans you'd get a wide range of opinions and like this sweater and do anything anyone it's just And you wouldn't be offended either. You'd be like, yeah, you probably wouldn't like, you definitely would not wear it. You can't even pull this off. So don't worry about it. But you don't get that unless you're like being yourself. And I think when I was younger, I would try to mold to like what anyone wanted of me.

So it's almost like kind of becomes a good thing. They say you get more hate as you get more famous. But it's also like you're becoming more who you are. So people are going to start being like, oh, I don't want that in my life. And that's valid. Yeah. I mean, I talk about fucking labia lip. all the time, and that's my choice.

That's one of my favorite things on the planet, so I'm definitely not going to be one of the haters. Okay, it's time for a game. It's called The Seven Deadly Sins. Seven Deadly Sins. What are you greedy about? What am I greedy about? What are some good answers?

you've gotten on this show. That's so cheating. That's absolutely cheating. What am I greedy about? You know, when I was younger, I really did want money. Like, growing up without money on the weekends and with money on the week. Wait, that's insane. I feel like I rarely hear that kind of story. Well, yeah, it's just my dad, like, he decided to fuck his way through college in high school. He didn't go to college because he fucked his way through high school. He ended up fucking one of the women in the neighborhood when he was a senior in high school. His buddy was a pool boy. He said, hey, I just slept with this woman. Jeffrey, my dad, you should go be the pool boy in two weeks and see if you can also sleep with her. He did. Went back to school the next day, told his buddy, got a call at school. The guy said, I heard you fucked my wife.

Gonna fucking kill you now. My dad didn't think he was serious. Went to his buddy's house after school. And then his mom called my grandma and said, hey, Jeffrey, there's one of your friends is outside an SUV or something. Because they had a massive house in Bel Air. It wasn't like there weren't, it's not like a car could be parked for multiple houses. It was in front of their mansion. estate. A state. And my dad knew it was serious and he, apparently guy was in the mob. And

my dad snuck into the back of the house, packed a bag and went to Colorado and Oregon where he lived for like two years and didn't get to walk on stage, didn't go to college. And that's why my dad is poor. Wait, what do you mean walk on stage? But he didn't get to walk across the stage to get his Oh, I was thinking stand up. I was like, oh, is he doing? He did not do any standup either. It was like, He's not a great, as soon as the camera's on, he shuts off. But anyway, so that's why he didn't have money. So when I was growing up, my mom would be like, you don't want to live paycheck to paycheck like your dad.

And then I'd go to my dad, be like, mom said something mean. He'd be like, what does she say? You don't want to live paycheck to paycheck like your dad. He was like, you don't want to live paycheck to make. Are you fucking kidding? Your mom's right. Don't be a jackass, do well. What does your mom do for a living?

She was a bookkeeper. Oh, so she has her shit together. She's still my finance person. So for so long, like I saved and saved and saved. And then I bought a house and I was 25. and now that I just finished renovating it, it wasn't like an insane extravagant thing. It's not an insane house,

but like it's my house. I'm so thankful that I saved and did that. That money was the thing I was super greedy for. And now I think I'm really greedy for just comfort, like success comfort. Like I just want to not worry about this industry anymore. Like I'd love enough money and enough security or power to be like, when I want to produce a show, I produce a show.

When I want to get a gig, I get a gig. So that's kind of what I'm trying. Yeah, people don't talk a lot about, Like, once you're making money, the different problems that arise. And also it's like, okay, well, now how much is it? And do you get that chase of like, I just need as much as possible? Or more money, more problems. Oh.

And you become a workaholic and want just extravagance amount for power. Or you're like, you know what? If I hit this amount, I'll be happy. I mean, I'm like you. I really envision creating just like a cat sanctuary in Montana and just like painting. Amazing. I really want to paint. Do not paint?

Not right now. I paint. We can have a painting day. Yeah, yeah. Bring your husband to L.A. Just so it's now weird. I don't want to get in trouble. I go, he's my paint partner.

Don't forget, we paint together. Yes, is he naked while I paint? Absolutely. He's my little French girl. Yeah, we both are. Who cares? It's fine. It's the thing.

It's hot in L.A. Who are you envious of? Who am I envious of? I'm envious of the... I'm envious of dumb people. Wait, that's the best answer I've ever gotten, because I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, there's like a beauty. It's in the book by, have you ever read Siddhartha by Herman Hess?

No. You have to read it. I'm telling you right now, especially someone in our industry. It's my favorite book I've ever read, but basically this man is too smart for his own good and overthinks everything. And at some point, he just realizes at the end of his life that the people he's been ridiculing, like, oh, they're just the masses. They're just dumb. They follow what everyone else says, but I'm looking for my own thing. at the end he realizes like oh that's child like love that they have for the world and I don't have that because I don't like the child version of myself you know I never like oh and so for me it was like when I heard that I was like oh that is so fascinating because we all are chasing now like that moment when you're kid nothing going on your head you're just like smelling the leaves or whatever and that you're not worried about taxes you're not worried about the meeting the next day and you now want to find that place even though your whole life was like growing out of it ignorance is bliss I did learn that in terms of

when you're in the public eye how like it's actually okay to not know what articles are being written about you what people are saying about you at first i was like no you got to control you got to know what's going on it's like actually you can choose to just not know and how not knowledge is power oh don't ever search your name in quotes on twitter no because that's what people don't want to see i haven't searched myself on google and like over a year i don't have google alerts like you just it's been incredible for my mental health that's great i don't know if i've ever i haven't I've searched myself on Google in years and years and years, probably like since I first got a TV show. You know in the beginning it was kind of fun to Google yourself and like your face was there.

Like that was like fun and then now you're like, oh Lord, I just, I don't want to know. I've even had situations where I've been mad at myself because I'm like you should have seen that coming, figure that situation out. Why were you not ahead of the game with that when it's like, if I was just dumb, I would have been like, that shit happens. Totally. But I'll look back and I'm like, how did you not see that coming? And it's like, because I'm not a fucking psychic. Yeah, how nice it would it be to go? I shouldn't have seen that coming. And now that it has that, I'm too dumb to deal with it. So I'm just going to continue on with the life I was living. Well, that was sports. I joke that like athletes are dumb, but they were the ones who would get in the zone. And when I would play, I would rarely be in the zone. I'd always be like, why is that person eating that over there. And like, oh, that person is judging me there. And I need to be a control of like when that person, they went to the bathroom, but they'll be coming back and they don't think I'm playing well. Like, I was just, which is why I'm good at comedy now. Because I can, like, be having a side conversation with this person while that person's having.

me while also finishing this joke while going back to y'all that person but i still need to meditate um what are you gluttonous about gluttonous about what do you overindulgent i i overindul what do i that's like my thing is i don't really overindulgent anything like i i'm too restrictive to like enjoy certain things yes meth would probably get i guess because i guess that i do have a problem there um no Oh, so you're, you're not a let loose type of guy. Again, rarely because when I was 18, I had like a YouTube channel that I thought I was famous with. Yeah. I wasn't.

But like I had that fear of like, I can't say anything bad or do anything bad. And then I would see my friends drink who were from the valley, the worst type of human ever. Yeah. And they would be getting fucked up and just saying insane shit. I mean, YouTubers nowadays, they're like, all they do is cocaine, right? Oh, all of them. Yeah. Like, cocaine's insanely bad.

popular and I've never done coke neither have I oh my god hey I'm scared yeah and we're both lying right I'm kidding I really never have I didn't drink till I was 27 yeah it was the first about alcohol I had you also probably had a I mean not to psychoanalyze you but you were scared of becoming your dad I was scared of becoming my stepbrothers who were all drug addicts that that'll do it as well all of it all of it was I always joke that like I never tried cocaine because like if I try it and I don't like it then it's a bad night and if I try it and then I do like it then I like cocaine at 30 yeah I will never try like there's no I will actually I've said this story once but at my bachelorette party someone like my bachelorette someone was like

you have to do cocaine and I'm sitting there and also like I didn't do drugs for a while because I was a tennis player like we get drug tested you actually couldn't do drugs so I was like fine and I take one like snort whatever I sound so stupid right now and I immediately blood just starts coming out of my nose like my body was so pure that it just rejected it and we just started dying and I was like well I guess I'm not meant to do cocaine wow that's the ultimate sign that's great literally just blood down um so I did it superpowers no superpowers I also I get like um hypersensitive to stimulants like even even coffee I'll be like am I like having anxiety tech right now because I had a little caffeine yeah like any

energy drink will do that to me. I don't like doing cocaine because it ruins my heroin high. I thought you never did it. I've never done it because it ruins my heroin. Yeah, no, I've never done it. I've never done any of those drugs. Oh, I thought you said it ruins your hair when you're high. No, heroin high. Yeah. There's a lot of drug talk for someone who's never done drugs. I love talking about drugs. My stepbrothers tell me stories that are so fucking insane. Yeah. The most crazy thing you've ever heard. I don't like being out of control in my mind. I'd rather, Like, my mind in control has enough chaos. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger?

Do you ever, like, lose it? Never. Like, I've never yelled at anybody in my life. I swear to God. What about, like, fighting with ex-girlfriends? Nope. I'm, like, the most passive man. I hate yelling.

I hate fighting. I think it leads to other issues in the relationship. Like, I end up allowing things I shouldn't allow happen because I don't like confrontation. But that's another thing that I start. working on because that one girl she's like you need to set boundaries and stick to them and I'm like yeah but then what if people don't like me wow me and you are very similar and that's why we probably wouldn't have worked out because we're let's not knock it's what was last time you

were sloth so like lazy piece of shit in my mind all the time you know like I always think I should be like that's funny again through therapy my therapist is like Hunter you have to understand you're not grinding as like a YouTuber anymore. You now have a foothold in this industry to a degree and now your moves are calculated. It's not as much work. It's just more calculated work. Yes. And so I told my mom, I was like, mom, I got this great advice for my therapist. He said it's about working smart not hard because I'm like a rocket ship and I've exited the atmosphere. And so now it's just a little. And my mom goes, yeah, but don't you think you should work pretty fucking hard? And I was like, oh, you're the problem. You're the reason I'm this

way and that's when we figured it out and I was like mom you can't you can't put that on me I'm I'm more successful than anybody I went to high school with let me live in that for a little it's it's crazy because therapy won't necessarily like answer your problems but it will make you self-aware to be like oh I'm not crazy I think this because of this and that's okay yeah totally I see my parents in a different perspective now like when I have conversations with them now instead of just like having impulsive feelings from and I go oh okay So that, they're doing that, which means that. And that's why that was happening.

Normally, I'd react like this, but now I know, so I'm going to go like that. So we love a man in therapy. We truly do. Yeah. When was the last time you let your pride or the ego get in the way of something? That's a constant battle. Not the ego in like the super negative way, but just I know what I'm good at. And being on like a cable television show where cable is naturally a slow moving beast,

It's like a cruise ship trying to do a 180 in a harbor. And my ideas are like, hey, let's do this, let's do this, let's do this. Which is YouTube mentality. Absolutely. And that's what they say. They're like, that's YouTube mentality. And they're like, it's going to take us three days to edit. I go, I could edit it in an hour.

And then I realize that even if I'm right, it doesn't look good. Nobody wants to play with that guy. Nobody wants to do anything. So that working at this company, I mean, we've done like 600 episodes of Nightly Pop now. Yeah, it's been four years. And so I've had the. ultimate like, I've been so lucky at every job to get the learning experience I did, but this one was really a lesson in something I think Winston Churchill said is like if you

have a rope on a table and you have your finger on one side of the strand, trying to push that rope where you want it to go, it'll just crumble around you or it won't really do what you want it to do. Instead, grab the rope and pull it wherever you want it to go and the entire rope will follow in one line behind you. And it's this idea of like not pushing for the things you want, but bringing people with you into your ideas. And that changed a lot of things For the one month I remember that Show has been as successful as it is

Because I feel chemistry When I watch with you guys Like I feel like you actually like each other Yeah Do you ever fight? Not I don't really fight with anybody Again, it's not really my thing Like a demon

No, I'm usually the guy Like they get mad at me Because I'll go It's not really a big deal Oh yeah You know and they're like They're like Kimmy, he broke up Literally

Morgan says that shit to me all the time she goes, Hunter, can you just fucking be a friend for a second? I'm like, one day you're going to realize that it was the only person actually helping you mentally. Like, everybody else is feeding into the drama and it feels good and it's exciting because it's like seeing a car crash. I'm the person going, hey, it's probably not healthy to look at that car crash. What if there's someone in there? You know, what if it gets worse? What if you're looking at it causes another crash?

Stuff like that. And then they're like, you suck to talk to. And I'm like, don't talk to me about it. But also, Morgan knows better than anyone what it's like. being the receiving end of shit too. So it's like there's a thin line between like are you like I have changed how I speak about celebrity gossip because it's so easy to be mean. So easy.

And then you're and that's not actually like a good sense of humor. So it's finding like I'm always like if I do say something mean, I'm always like I do not know this person and this is the narrative that people are throwing to me and it makes me feel this type of way. Not to cause drama, but I will. My best friend Paige who I have Giggly Squad with is like obsessed with Morgan. Really? Like, you know, I think she's met her.

But it's in a way where, like, she aspires about her career, her fashion, everything. And Paige always had, like, a baby name that was Roe. And then Morgan, she literally calls it. She goes, Morgan's like my baby name. And I was like, she was, like, making this whole thing. And she's like, I never said it in public because, like, I didn't want anyone to steal it. And then, like, my hero is the one who takes the name. And I'm like, you guys both have great taste.

You both have great taste. And then I'm like, I don't get a fuck. I'm saying my baby name. It's Lucy. Fuck, it's Lucy. I'm saying it. Next week, Andy Cohen comes out and says his daughter's name was Lucy. So then we made a whole fake conspiracy that Andy Cohen listens to our podcast and stole my baby name.

But anyway, enough about me and my own silly drama. Yeah, that's awful. My dog's name is Lucy. Is it really? Yeah. Well, we would have never worked out. To be fair, it's short for Lucifer. And so she is...

Is that a good thing? She was the devil in the beginning. Now she's a sweetheart. What kind of dog? We don't know. We just adopted her. and she is like something... Who's we?

Me, but I was living with my... I live with my brother lives in the back house. And so it's kind of our dog response. We now have two dogs together. Is she like Pipple? No, she's like half sheepdog, half terrier, but she is just like squirrels. Like she will like jump up on the wall and just...

She used to destroy the fencing trying to get to squirrels. And again, I was like, how happy would I be? If that was my biggest concern. You know? So, yeah, but she's the best. I love her. You're like my huge hedges around my mansion. She just like keeps ruining them. The gardeners.

Fucking up the total carpet. Okay. Oh, when was the last time you lusted over someone? So who's your like celebrity crush? Every day. I'm like the horniest dude in the world. I love, I love like, being attracted to somebody. What's your like celebrity ideal type?

It's weirdest, because I normally do this question to like comics in New York. but like you guys like you probably know a lot of the people i don't know the ones that i like i've always like duelipa oh yeah duelipa's up there right now she's up there because she's got a big butt too and that's like oh part of it for me but most she's probably the thinnest celebrity that i like most of them are like i like you know like riana yeah and like meg the stallion's pretty high up there there was that one ashley graham she's pretty high up there yeah she's gorgeous oh i love her so much but again it's like then you meet you do end up meeting these people and you're like oh they're just they're normal and probably more fucked up than the

people listening in your hometown yeah i dated a lot of comics and i always like but if i did a successful one he won't be crazy it turns out they're more crazy there's a reason there's like that's like and then the comics who aren't doing well it's because they're just like nice guys who like totally they have nothing to talk about past like maybe one set of stuff they've saved up for 10 years no yeah it's interesting how you said taking the hat on and off because sometimes the most successful people they're really running from who they really are so like I've dated comics who like

they are always a clown and like they can't turn it off or they just turn into like a monster and you're like where's like just like coffee let's have coffee and like we don't need to make each other laugh 247 okay enough about me final question

you've done great in hell we've had some ups and downs but you've done pretty well you're sweating which makes me happy what advice would you give on how to cope with your hell when you're in your darkness, when you're going through it, when it's really bad. Damn, I wish I would have prepped for this question because I could have like a Keanu Reeves moment where he said that one thing on Colbert and I was like, wow, that's amazing.

It's like restarted his whole career. Totally. Literally. Everyone was like, we love God. Okay, Zaddy. Yeah. How do you cope with your own hell? I love, I love this. This thing really helped me. I don't think it's for everybody, but heroin. Yeah, heroin. And that's the end of the podcast.

This was something for me, again, when that person said, who do you cry to? I was like, I don't really have anybody. And then she's like, we talked about it. And I came up with this like analogy of every one of your relationships is like a tree, like a brand. Like your life is one tree and every relationship is a branch. Every branch has like leaves on. Those leaves are the experience that you have with that person or that group or whatever. But for me, I never was vulnerable with any of these people.

I never opened up to any of them. It was purely make them laugh, make them like me. Trauma dumping is fun sometimes. I never did it, though. I was against my thing because I didn't want to look vulnerable. And then we kind of talked about it and realized that those were the roots of the tree. So as soon as there's any turmoil in your life and turmoil in their life or in each other's life, that tree will fall down. And you'll end up, you know, alone because you didn't show them who you really were and kind of open up.

I've been putting some roots down lately. I've been rooting a lot of people. I've been calling some people just sobbing. I called what? I told my best friend. I was like, hey, man, this is what's going on. I'm really embarrassed to tell you. And he's like, no, you can tell me, dude, I'm going through something similar.

And he had never opened up to me about that. And it was just two dudes kind of like. Holding each other. They were like edging tears, you know? Just like, we were like, bro, I can let it go if you're ready to let it go. Do you want to last a little longer? You do it first and then I swear to God be right fucking behind you, man. But yeah, we didn't fully cry.

We were like walking and not really looking each other in the eye, talking. Wait, that's so like. And then don't you feel so much closer to him in terms of your friendship? Became like a best friend almost in that moment of like, oh, this is a relationship. I don't want to lose. Because I was always willing to like, if people left my life, I'd be like, no, yeah, whatever. That's fine. Do your thing.

But then now I'm like, I'd be a really big bummer to lose. this person. Now I realize what true friendship is. Wow, now I'm reflecting on myself. Back to me. And I feel I definitely have people I know I could call crying that will be great but I don't do it just because I'm like, I don't need to ruin their day right now.

Or some of them care too much where I'm like they're going to worry about me when I know I'm just having a moment. Yeah. But I do, it's also, it's not always the person you're closest with who's a good person. Like my best friend page huger and we're like, ew, why are we? Like, Or I'll compliment her and she's like literally stop. That's so embarrassing for you. And like that's, she's my person.

But like she gets me through and through. But then I have a friend who like I'm not as close with, but I could call her just like really upset about something. Like having a crazy anxiety thought that makes no sense. And she will like drop everything and be like, I get you. And like. So it's, yeah, it's finding the people in your life. And it doesn't have to be a lot.

I don't like having too many. Just a couple people. Like I think having like two to three people that if you needed to call somebody, and the first person didn't answer and the second person was busy you have a third or at least a second to talk to. Yeah, and know that you're so lovable even when you're sad.

Almost the most lovable. Yeah. I had a girlfriend for five years and the first time I cried for her she said she had never been hornier. It was like four years into the relationship and I was like, hey, I think I'm going to like break down. I'm going to go to the other room and she's like,

you could do it in here. And I was like... I love her you were like, I'm going to cry I'm going to go outside for this. It's coming in about two minutes. Put in my Google calendar. What were you crying about? I was like at the saddest moment ever.

It felt like I was not in control of my life. And nobody was sympathizing because I was also at the most successful moment of my life. This was like maybe five years ago. It happens all the time. It was a weird thing. It was a weird thing because like, I make it so much. I can't wipe my face with 80 but hundreds and they're so crisp. And then a friend of mine was killed.

And when it happened and I found out about it, I was like, oh, man, that's really fucked up. She was like an acquaintance friend who I'd interviewed a bunch on the show and everything. And then I found out, I was like, oh, my God, that's really, really sad. Like I, but I was in my mind fully and this is something I would do and I still do is like I'd rationalize the emotion. Or I try and like explain the emotion to myself as opposed to. just feel it. Yeah, you have to feel it or it like just like lives in you. And it lived in me for months and I would just think and we had like it's almost like masturbating. You know when you feel like oh, I can masturbate right now. And if you don't, then you're just fucking blue balling everywhere.

Okay, that is how I deal with people dying in my life. It's very similar to that. But what is it then when I don't need to masturbate but I do masturbate anyway? That's just like when you cry at a car commercial just because you felt like it you know like a really fun yogurt commercial i just go i do have to say normalized guys crying because i think i've been turned on by a guy crying once a guy actually my husband was crying when we were watching love on the spectrum and he started crying oh such a good show and like he never cries at like actual sad things but he was just like it's just really touching and i was like oh my god you loved it but i also i loved it but then like he didn't really cry on our wedding and i was like oh yeah yeah so actually thanks for reminding me i have to

text him about that um anyway thank you so much for coming to help where can people watch you follow you give me the tea yeah i guess just on instagram at hunter march and then from there you'll get all the info for the show for nightly pop amazing and you're a good follow too you're a good follow i try to post fun stuff just light airy fun things i don't need people not to like me we've gone over us i am not posing anything that can be judged thank you guys so much we'll talk to you later bye Bye-bye.