Berner Phone - Jeremy Jacobowitz: Brunch Boys & Losing 100 Pounds

Episode Date: July 1, 2020

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Welcome to Burning Hell. What's up, guys? Welcome to Hell. Today we're in Food Hell with the brunch boy, Jeremy Jacobowitz. Yeah, you nailed it. I missed like seven syllables the first time I tried, and I'm really proud of myself. And we're not going to have to say that last name again because we're just going by Jeremy. Jeremy, I mean, that's why brunch boys was so easy for everyone. They're like, no, Jeremy Brunch Boys.

My last name is completely gone. I also love alliteration. It literally gets me what? It was an accidental alliteration. Isn't it wild? So I was picking on, this is years and years ago. The original idea, so I guess if you guys don't know, like, it's my social handle and I do like videos on food and my life and blah, blah, whatever.

But the original idea, oh, geez, almost six years ago now, just I'll make some brunch videos. I was working in TV as a food TV producer. Well, you were actually working with Bobby Flay, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I started in sports TV and then went to Food TV. I was Bobby's PA. So I was like, I was his assistant on set.

Okay, what's he like? He's the best. Oh, I knew it. I kind of wish I dated him like if he was 20 years younger. You could still date him. Is he single? Yeah. He's probably a nightmare to date.

I recently realized all these guys who are like so like amazing on screen, they're all fucking narcissists and crazy assholes. But he's like such a New York guy. I wouldn't say crazy ass. I mean, listen, to be, I think to succeed that hard in something, you sort of have to be a little bit narcissistic. Yeah, and crazy. Especially a chef.

To succeed in that world, too, you need to, like, be alpha. You need to be creative. You need to put yourself really, really, really hard. I'm working on a bit right now just about how, like, Disney teaches you to go for, like, the most toxic masculine man, and they're going to, like, make you happy. It's like, those men are the ones that kill your spirit and make you forget who you are, and then you have to go to therapy. So, yeah, I'm just trying to stick.

Like, society makes you feel like you need to go for those kind of guys, but it's finding the right partner and the right partner might not be the guy that gets the most airtime on the food network but it but it could be i love watching bobby i love his little accent he was a sense of humor i think i'm a crush on bobby play listen i every pretty much everyone i talk to this is where it goes oh it's bobby oh bobby i'm like well i mean i'm sitting here too whatever yeah bobby's cool about your old boss um is do you have any funny stories or weird things he does he like make you get smoothies in the morning Well, so I had to make a breakfast every morning.

Yeah, a lot of pressure. You had to make a professional chef? Well, when I say make, his breakfast was Greek yogurt, mixed fruit, and just the perfect amount of honey. I had to get the honey right. That was like less than day one was like, okay, you're going to be making my yogurt. You got to get the honey right. You got to get the honey right. The right, the right yogurt, the fresh berries get the, so that was my morning, every single morning.

It was like washing his berries. I was recently talking to another comic about how, like, Yogurt's considered gay. So the yogurt companies are trying really hard. It is. What about Greek yogurt? Greek yogurt is manly. Well, now they're like Oikos or whatever.

How do you say it? No, I think it's right. Okay. We were at the Super Bowl party together. There was this Super Bowl of all these like, it's called Bubble Butt, and it was all these football guys talking about how big their butt is. And it's like, do you want strong glutes? Eat this protein yogurt.

And it's like a black branding. Oh, yes. I've actually worked with them. Yeah. Because that was it. It was like protein Greek yogurt. Because it honestly is crazy healthy, and I think it tastes pretty good. And I guess, guys, God forbid, you just have like a normal yogurt.

You're like, this is going to turn me gay. To what's estrogen. Yeah, but you're the perfect branding person to work with it. I think it was called powerful yogurt. Like, this went for it. Like, they're like, why mess around? This is what it is. With some hair on your chest yogurt.

So I want to start. Well, first of all, you guys knew follow brunch boys, but it's just one boy. Yeah, it's just me. Sorry. But you wanted to pretend you have more friends than you have. Well, that was it. Well, sort of like, I mean, think about it. If it was just brunch boy, people are like, oh, that's sad. He eats by his,

he eats by himself, which I do all the time, I guess. But brunch in particular seems weird to eat by yourself. So we're going to play our first game just to get people going because I don't want to brag, but I am a white girl who's 28. So I've brunched in my day. You are my demo. I'm your 100% demo. And I followed you like forever. So I'm glad we finally made this happen. We're going to play a game called bitching about brunch. Okay. Okay. For your whole life, Would you rather eat just breakfast food or just dinner food? You can only pick one. Breakfast, come on.

Okay, just checking. Mimosa or Bloody Mary? Bloody Maria. What is that? Tequita. Oh, you're sick. You're sick in the head. You just took it to another level.

Diner or fancy? Diner. Yes. Where are you from originally? I grew up in Westchester. Okay. Westchester. We had some good diners.

Yeah, great dinners. Do people actually like eggs Benedict? Of course they do. It's not my go-to necessarily, but I think also because people think of, like, the standard one. Yeah. But I think we do cool stuff with it, it works. Like the standard Canadian bacon, English muffin, that could be a little boring. Yeah.

And there's something about putting the, like, gravy-type sauce on it of holidays that, like, can throw me off. I just feel like people either love it or, like, no one goes near it. I mean, it's, if you don't like eggs, it's, it's a thousand eggs in a dish, so. How many eggs? Well, the holidays is just fucking eggs and eggs and eggs. Oh, I have no clue with holiday sauces. Yeah, it's really, really egg. This is why I need you around to explain these things for me that never crossed my mind.

I'm just like, oh, Hollandees. No idea what that is, but it's weird colored. I know you never hear people being like, oh, I was craving an eggs Benedict right now. I agree with that. Like, would you ever open a restaurant? No. Why not? You got so happy.

I'll separate it. Would I do a dream of opening my own restaurant? No, because one, that's not what I'm good at, two. You have to be insane to open your own restaurant. Yeah, Bobby Flay. It's too difficult. But my goal, if I was... If you just killed, like, thousands of dreams out there, you're like, it's too difficult.

Don't do it. I've worked on so many shows, or this is sort of the premise. Like, everyone's like, ah, I make a great hot dog. I'll do this. It's like, no, dude, there's so much more you got to worry about than just open up a rest of the... You know, make a good hot dog. But if I was super rich and I wasn't trying to make money and I didn't care if I lost money, I would love to like find restaurateurs and chefs that need money to open.

I would love to do that. Oh, cool. Like invest in stuff? Yeah, yeah. So, like, I'm not there dating. a day I don't ever want to be there day to day. I don't care like if it performs. I mean, obviously you'd want it to succeed, but I'm not invested in it to make money. I just like want to help out people open. That would be my dream. But I got to make a lot of money. You can't be high level with these restaurants. It's the day to day of like one fork is dirty and it could

ruin your restaurant in New York City. Yeah, I'm not dealing with you. You could succeed on everything in your restaurant in New York City can't succeed. That's the hard part. Oh my God. I know. I also could see you doing like a fun pop-up thing. Yeah, like a branded thing. Listen, if someone just wants to pay me to have my name on it, yeah, I'd consider that. Cool. Speaking of name on it, did you ever go to Justin Timberlake's brunch place? His barbecue place. Yeah, it's like barbecue, but it has like some, I've gone there for brunch before.

What do you think? I thought it's pretty good. It's like Hell's Kitchen. I think it's shut down. Yeah, I think it might have too. You know why? Because what's his face from the Trump administration was behind it too? There's a lot of money and then not just, it was like, what is place is where

you start digging, you're like, oh my God, whose money is this? You know what I mean? Like, whenever it got mad at SoulCycle, I'm like, dude, every giant corporation is going to have some evil person at the top. You're like, Kim Jong-Yun, he likes Eggs Benedict. Okay, best way you like your eggs? I make eggs every single morning for breakfast, and I scramble them. I don't even know if that's my favorite way.

I know it's a cop-out, but it is the way I eat them every single day, so. I feel like scrambled eggs is an art form. Like, I love when it tastes buttery and it's not too well done. Like, I like when it's a little bit loose. Yeah. Yeah. I also read recently that it's like eggs can cause inflammation

or like they're bad for you in some ways and I'm scared Well I see this So like I've I go on different diets or whatever And I'm usually trying to eat really healthy I think everybody's body is completely different You're right

So if you eat eggs and don't feel that way Then I wouldn't worry about it If you do have those issues don't eat eggs I always have like some issues with my stomach And I don't really know why That's not good It's called anxiety Oh I've got agita

Yeah, it's just being half Jewish. We don't process anything. Okay, unlimited alcohol, a brunch, or unlimited bacon. Bacon. Yes, a man by my own heart. Here's why. I hate this question. People ask me, where's, like, the best boozy brunch?

Yeah. Like, don't bother. Because there's a thing. One, if they're known for boozy brunch, probably means a food isn't good. Yep. Two, like an unlimited boozy brunch means you're getting. shit champagne with a ton of sugary orange juice. Just pay for two real drinks, and you'll be feeling fine.

And you'll be fucked up is what he's saying. Yeah, exactly. Well, this answers my next question, which is party vibes or like bed and breakfast vibes. For brunch? Yeah, I don't want party brunch. I'm too old to drink during a day. Yeah, same. I'll drink at night.

How old are you? 32. You're young. I'll have a thousand tequila at night, but during the day, I've decided I can't. Yeah, I get hung over by 6 p.m. It just makes you feel bad. I got too much to do. I also, yeah, I know, I have shit to do, you little kids.

I know you don't have homework on the weekends, but I have shit to do. I'm an entrepreneur. It was true as an entrepreneur. If you drink during the day, it's like, oh, you just lost your own money. That's the pressure. I always saw the pressure if, like, working in TV is very, very difficult. Any hours are insane, but, like, there's, like, some separation. I know that if I'm not doing what I'm doing, like, if I'm hung over the next day and it can't work,

yeah, that's great. I didn't have to get out of bed, but, too, like, I'm only fucking myself over. by not working and it just piles up and piles up and piles up I'm like really getting over drinking I know I'm on this TV show which is all about drinking and it was the hardest part of the show besides oh I'm sure it's like you have to hang with these people who are professional drinkers yep and like during the winter I've been detoxing and I'm like it's so nice to like just enjoy my food well my problem is it I honestly think I would probably be better off not drinking for every reason but I would not have any social life I'm a total introvert So if I don't drink tequila, I cannot go out or have friends. You're really good on this podcast, though. Are you hammered? No. I like talking.

But if I go to the bar, someone's like, oh, wait, where to move or whatever. Literally in my room, my move is to go find a corner and hide in it and go on my phone until I'm drunk enough to talk to people. She's probably what I didn't rain his apartment too. I was probably in the corner on my cell phone until I was like, okay, I ate tequila's deep. Cool. I could like communicate the people. Speaking of, so we met, like, in person through Raina from Girls Got to Eat, and she throws

these amazing little parties at her, at her one-bedroom apartment, and we all just go. Fancy, she has the fanci-shman, so she has food. So we all go over. And she's like, I don't have to do it with all this space. Can you guys tell her? I'm like, yes. Oh, if it's such a beautiful rooftop. I know.

Oh, I didn't even think about the rooftop. But it's funny because we had DM'd like a while ago, and I'm the kind of person that if I don't make a move that moment, it's not getting done. And it was the kind of thing where I was like, yeah, email me. Never happened. And then I saw you. Oh, I did. Wait, I did email you.

You did? Yeah, you did. And I didn't do anything. I was one of those things where I was like, we're not in a rush with this. And then it never happened. And I saw you at her apartment. And yeah, you were kind of shy. You definitely weren't the kind of guy that was like, get in here.

Yeah, no. And then I was like, eventually we naturally spoke. Yeah, because I had a thousand tequila. I'm like, cool, I could talk to people. But also, like, you're tall, you're good-looking. sometimes if you're, like, shy, it makes you, like, more scary to go up to. I can see that. So, I definitely don't have the energy of, is that what I should stop doing?

I definitely don't have the energy of, like, come talk to me. Yeah, yeah, but you, I could see you having, like, a chill energy. Yeah. I love, I love, what's your sign? I'm the first day of cancer. I was, I was actually leaning towards that. Okay, yeah. I'm just kidding, I wasn't.

I don't know what any of those things mean, other than that I know what I am. So I don't know, like, yeah, sure, huh. The answer means that you are, like, sensitive on the inside, but you're tough on the outside, and that you love family, you love home, and when you get overwhelmed, you're like a crab, and you'll go in your hole. Oh, that actually sounds right. Yeah, that's you. There I am.

Honestly, nailed it. Okay, back to our game. It's going to last an hour, so get ready. Am I winning yet? We don't know. Unlimited. No, no, we did that one. Bacon, sausage, or ham.

Go. That's what I wrote. Go. Bacon. Why? That crispy texture. Do you, how do you like your bacon? Towards the crispy.

A little bit soft laugh, but I like the crunch. Yeah, I like feeling the crunch and then it just melts in your mouth. Yes, yeah. Oh my God. Okay, maple syrup on bacon. What's your idea of that? Hell yeah. Fuck yeah.

Spicy maple syrup on bacon. Okay, well, now you're just kind of fancy on me. But yeah, maple syrup goes in all types of places and things. You probably get sent so much random, weird, like, food startup things, do you? Food startup things? Like food startups where people are like, try my CBD, maple, therapy. Yes, all the time. Ooh, that's a good idea.

More like, more like apps. Everyone knows, they still have apps. I'm like, come on, man, we're 2020. Don't have an app anymore. Sorry. You're like all the apps are chosen. All the apps in the podcast are done. Then me tell you about why I just app.

I'm like, okay, so like your Yelp? It's for restaurants and stuff. Yeah, it's for restaurants. Hey, this is going to do this. And I'm like, my, my brain's problem is that I had, I took that approach too far, where when TikTok emailed me a year ago, I was like, you're stupid. Big, big fucking regret right there. Oh my God. Are you on TikTok now?

I'm actually loving TikTok, yeah. I'm having a lot of fun of that. I wish I had jumped aboard. My problem is, I could go on a whole round. You could stop me when you're bored. No, I rant on TikTok too. My issue with TikTok is not TikTok itself. I think the platform is really, really cool.

It's a super viral platform. My issue is the way everybody perceives it. everybody perceives it as a fucking dancing app. And I'm like, it's not a dancing app. If you don't know how to dance, don't goddamn dance. I know. Everyone's like, well, okay, I'll do dances because I want to be on TikTok. Right.

If you dig into TikTok is actually just like super crazy creative people being experts on things. So it took me a few days like at the algorithm. I saw that, yeah, there was a girl who was showing like makeup, but in a really like unique quick way. That sums up everything no matter what they're creative with. And they're all younger. So they're all super passionate about stuff. and like and it's super viral because when you open it like it shows you other people you don't follow so i think it's an amazing really really cool platform uh as long as you're not dancing on

if you're a great dancer go ahead and dance if you don't know anything about dancing don't dance be you i mean i say this all the time like because i get asked about social media stuff and i'm like i did a rant about this this morning so it's all my brain um if you want to succeed in social media or anything take something that you're good at that you're an expert at that you have something to say yeah and put it out there in a unique way. If you're going to be the 10 millionth person dancing on TikTok and you suck at dancing, what is that accomplish? Nothing. And also, if you're going to grow a following too, are you going to continue to make dancing videos? No. So you're going to get followers that don't want to engage

with you. And if you don't enjoy it when you don't have followers, you're not going to like enjoy it more when you do have followers. You're still the same person. And people think like life's going to be different when people care about it. It's like, no, you probably feel more guilty because now it's like work for you because now brands are paying you to do something you don't even care about. Yeah, I mean, I look at the food space on Instagram. I see that all the time, like the ones that started when I started when Raina started, this is six years ago. Like, oh my God. We all just did it because we love food. We worked in food probably in some way. And we're just putting yourself out there. Now there's 10 million food accounts. And I had

to talk with, I was brought into a company a few weeks that I'll talk about this. And I was just like, honestly, most of the food accounts don't know anything about food, aren't passionate about food and don't know how to put out there in a creative way. It's just you could sort of go viral with food. It's that same idea where like they, they know how to go viral about making rainbows pop out of Or they have just like a good handle, like a catchy handle. A hundred percent. Like, I mean, even now that doesn't know, but five years ago, sure. Yeah.

But I'm like, you have nothing to say about this. Just because you have access to food doesn't mean, it's so funny. I remember when I was younger seeing all these, like, accounts that are just curating like a certain food. Like, it's curating barata or curating smoothies. So it's like, it's not even your creativity and you're putting together. I mean, not to like hate on meme accounts because they do some thing. But I love, we love meme accounts.

love me, but there's something about the food thing where it's like, you just love looking at, I don't know. People do, that's what's crazy. People do. But so then it's like, I mean, I pick brunch for a few reasons. But one of the things I love with brunch is like, it gives people reason to follow me because it's somewhat specific, but it also can mean anything.

You're right. It's not just food. It gives people like a specific angle that they're like, also the word brunch triggers joy. This is exactly what I told you. One of you had a bad brunch besides if you want to one of those boozy ones. Right. This word for what I tell people, yes.

Yeah. Same page. Yeah, same page. I like the way we're going on side rants. We're almost done with this. My whole, everything I do is a side rant. Sorry. My whole podcast is a side rant.

So, okay, someone literally gave me a one-star review of my podcast, and they were like, she asked too many questions that could go in all these different directions. And I'm like, isn't it the point of asking questions? That's an interview. Do you want to just know the answer before I say it? Sorry, fuck you, Sandra. Anyway, why don't we wrap this game up with the time? three brunch places that you recommend in New York City.

You probably get this a lot, but it's important. I do. We'll go buy a answer first, but still legitimate answer is Gato, Bobby Flays restaurant. You've got to go there. It's amazing. Where is in the city? It is in NoHo. Great.

I would say, I like the idea. Well, I go another sort of classic. Sunday in Brooklyn is fantastic. That's in Williamsburg. Love it. Some of the best pancakes ever. Best everything, though. Yes.

With good pancakes. And then I will go, we could go a thousand of directions. But why don't we go Lama Inn, which is Peru? Vian. Ooh, where's that? That's in Williamsburg also. Great. Yeah.

I love how you specifically said best pancakes. I feel like so many times when I'm at my brunch, I can't decide between pancakes or the omelet. That's the hardest part. What I would say, the way I order it, I mean, I like, I like sharing everything. I'm the person that's like, yeah, we're just going to get this. I would be happy. Ooh, that would be fun. You and Rain are probably out of fucking control when you go out to eat.

It's stupid. Like, don't even do it that much anymore because we need to, like, we need to be on camera a lot more now. So, like, we got to be healthy. Um, I would say in that situation, you order the pancakes. You're like, I've been to pancakes for a table and everyone's going to eat this. And then I'm going to have an almond in front of me so I could be healthy. Sure, I've never felt like proud of myself for finishing four full pancakes. You can't, you can't, you can't finish them.

I mean, I can. Don't challenge me. I have a problem. But get it for the table. You get, you get, you filled the pancakes. You're right. And you get for the table and then distract people and then you eat it anyway. Yeah, you can still eat as much as you want.

And then you Venmo them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Wait. Okay. Okay. Levels. Hello.

Hello, hello, hello. Okay, that's good. Okay, great. Are you leaving that part in? Just you yelling at a mic? Yeah. Hello! That's a good thing is I edit it.

Stupid should I say. I'm like, and I do it like three weeks later and I'm like, that wasn't a sentence. That's why I love editing all my own stuff because I know, like I know when I'm saying things out loud that I could fix it.

So I just like literally when I'm doing tasting for food, I'll just say a lot of words. Yeah. They probably don't even make sense about like I'm editing it. I'll make it make sense, which is why when I, like, host things for other people. I'm like, oh, God, they're going to have to edit me.

I don't know. They don't know how to edit me yet, but I guess I'll figure it out. Yeah, most of my editing is me making sure my sentences make sense. Well, it's like when girls post photos with the friends, like you're only concerned that you look good. They can look horrible, which is like, uh, I know it's your birthday, but I look fantastic in this photo. They'll put this crazy filter on that their face somehow looks good in and everyone else looks like we just like played in a like sand trap and we're like dirty. And it's like, what the kind of filter is this? It still happens.

We're like 30 years old. But happy birthday. Honestly, you can tell you a good person if you even look at other people in a photo you're editing. That's how you can tell how good of a person you are. I have a lot of friends that are girls, so I'm used to being yelled at a lot by photos. They're like, I'm sorry, why did you post? I'm like, I don't know.

It looks fine. They're like, oh, God, no. Take it down. Let me re-edit it. I'm like, okay. also guys are like yeah you're you you look like yeah yeah I wouldn't have thought to edit anything sure I've done that too where I'm taking a photo from there like you take terrible photos I'm like bitch is your face I get used to it um how did you meet rena oh so I met rena because I had food

Instagram world when she was 100 you we were one of the first food Instagram accounts she was still working for Amazon and I was still working in TV and we just would be invited to dinner together this is six years ago and you just like how had good banter and just kept bantering and collabing. Yeah. Wow. Did she ever talk about wanting to do a podcast? Now it's just about Raina. No. You're welcome, Raina. Raina said we have to talk about her.

No. Which is my favorite hobby. The podcast never came up. What's funny is so I also knew Ashley, her partner, or girls got to eat because she had Bros Being Basics. We got invited to some stuff together. And then we all got invited together to Aruba. So they had not met each other as a press chip. So I went to there. I was meeting Raina. the airport and I know Aruba is not America but I also forgot it was an international flight. You didn't bring your passport? Oh no no I had everything. I checked in one minute too late and they

wouldn't let me check my bag. They said sir this is an international flight you should have been here two hours ahead of time and I was like international what are you talking about so I couldn't so they were like you could board but you have to leave your suitcase and I was like we're not doing that the next flight was the next day so Raina went down there without me not knowing anyone else. So then she bonded with Ashley on that trip. So you are the reason that they bonded. They would have never connected with that.

Here's all my reasons for all their success. And I've said this to them, so this isn't a surprise. I say to them every time I see them. I just left a voicemail yesterday about it. The photos that are everywhere, they were like, because it was like, they started a podcast and I was like, oh, that's cute, cool, a fun podcast, cool. I'm like, yeah, they're my friends. I want to be supportive.

They need some photos. Yeah, of course, I'll take some photos. And what do you guys need? Now it's on a fucking billboard in Times Square. And then they're like, you know, I think we're going to have some guests. I want to be a guest. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll throw you guys a bone. I'll go on your little podcast. This is two years ago.

Still, that podcast, two years ago gets listened to like thousands of times per week because I like went there to stats. I was like, what girls will listen to me this week? Yeah, I was like wild. So me like just being nice and being friendly. You know, that's some good advice. Be nice and friendly to everybody sometimes works out. Do you favors for your friends?

Yeah. I actually, I 100% believe, like, believing in your friends projects helps you believe in your own project too. like that's just your mindset because you can't be like rooting against people or like being critical of your friends but then not do that to yourself right it'd be why what are I to root against them what the fuck's wrong with me sometimes you know girls get competitive with each other but yeah they're the most collaborative awesome amazing people what made you want to go out on your own and do your own thing it was all by accident so basically like I was working in TV it was on all these food travel shows while brunch boards is like bubbling but like there's no influencers and no one's making money on Instagram. There's no thought to ever doing it full time. It's silly.

It's had some random account. But you enjoyed it? It wasn't even anything. Like I did these original videos at the beginning, then went back to work and kind of forgot about it. I would post on the Instagram account only because I'd be on the road in all these restaurants. And I was like, oh, I have 10,000 photos of food. I guess I'll put it up there.

So it's hard to grow. And when I got home from being on the road, I did like three straight food travel show. So it was back and forth. But I was just burnt out, mentally, physically, just done. And I was like, I just need to fucking. break. The first time in TV, I'd been working TV at that. I started working TV. I was 19. So I was like, I just need a break after 10 years. So I started saying no to shows. I was producing and stuff. Yeah, I was producing at this point.

Producing like food travel shows, competition, blah, blah, whatever. And I was like, I just need a break. And brunch boys had, like, people would want me to go to things. And I was like, maybe I should just play with this. I'm just someone that can't sit and do nothing. So if I'm not going to say, if I'm going to say no to a show, it's not because I want to sit in my couch, play video games. I better be making use of my time. So I took off, I was like, I'll take off month, play with this, go back to work. And the second I took off was, that's a year and a half of having brunch boys. But then that was the first time ever actually focused on it. And the account started to explode. Wow. And people were like, that was right when people started

making money. And I had a couple friends and they're like, you're really close. You're really close. So I sat down. It was never still my intention not to quit TV. But I was like, okay, let's make a run at this. TV's always there. I was always freelance gig to gig. I never had to quit my job, which I think is mentally easier. So I looked at money out of my account. And I was like, if I cut out every expense pretty much, how long could I go? And I was like, I could go like three or four months, paying rents. That was like my own expense, you know, a little bit of money, whatever.

And took four months and I started making money. And then like, I made no money in TV. So pretty much immediately I started making more money than I did TV. What expenses did you cut? Everything. I mean, it was easier because I was like doing these. I would like go to restaurants for content. So at least like food, I was pretty much covered.

I could bring home. Cut out the gym. Cut out as much alcohol as. I could. I mean, that's pretty much all my expenses anyway. Cut out like your Hulu, HBO, steal your parents. Well, at that point, it was still on my parents. So we were good there.

I'm still. Split the cable. I had to pay for cable. I was split the cable of my roommates, but it was like four of us. It was like $20 a month because of shit. Yeah, pretty much cut out everything. It was like on lockdown. Just make this shit happen.

But then I was like, okay, so I'm making more money and then I'm doing TV. I'm still good to be creative, put out videos, do the storytelling. Do everything I love about TV, but like have very few the next. negatives of TV. So, like, it was by accident. It was just like, oh, wow, I can do this. I feel like I always have seen your account everywhere. It pops up all the time

and, like, all kinds of people like to follow it. What's been the hardest time of having brunch boys? I mean, listen, it's a different kind of stress. I think when you're doing stuff on your own, you're always tired, you're always stress. Your personal life definitely takes a toll.

It's like, and I think friends are hard, like, most of my friends now we're sort of in this world. Yeah. Because I think they just get it more. And this happened to me in TV too. It's like, okay, well, you're not, I don't think you're doing anything. Why can't you hang out?

It's like, well, because I've been working for 20 hours and the last thing I want to do is like leave my apartment to go get drinks or whatever. Like, go get lunch like that. Just like I feel the stress of that happening. So I think like relationships, it's hard, dating is hard. Friends are hard. Listen, there's so many positives. It's silly to focus on the negatives of it.

But it's definitely a ton of stress. And it's definitely stress. Like, I'm used to TV fighting for money because like every couple weeks, every couple of months, there'd be a new gig. Yeah. Now I literally don't know what I'm getting paid ever. Money comes in. Maybe one day it's great. Maybe one month it's great.

Maybe one month you get nothing. You better know how to mentally handle that you have no money coming in that month. But you're also still working to create content always. Yeah. I mean, well, most of the content's not paid for. So it's like, that's a balance of it. It's like most of the content is quote unquote organic. So like I'm not getting paid for 90% of the stuff I put out there.

It's just that that stuff is associated. successful, then people want to work with me and pay me for other types of stuff. Exactly. And I think that's the great mindset where a lot of people might be like, well, I just want to get paid for a lot of stuff. And it's like, do it because you love it. And then, yeah, like, majority of my content is not paid. And majority of my videos I make because I just like love to make videos. Right. And if a brand is like, hey, put Duncan Don't in the background. I'm like, awesome. I mean, I said it too about Instagram. When I started on Instagram, there were no videos. And then it was 15 seconds videos. And it was one minute videos. And now I have IGTV. And I've been

able to grow with that because like to me I kind of like long form at least somewhat more long forms like having I love IGTV oh I love it so much it just like lets me breathe a little bit more like people won't watch one in a few minutes but going from one minute to three minutes I'm like oh I could instead of like just focus in this dish I could be more personality could tell more of a story like that's so much more interesting to me than just here's syrup being port a pancake like you're going to get that but they give you way more I feel like so many entrepreneurs stories on this podcast are accidental Like, because you can never truly plan where you're going to be and where you're going to end up. It's almost like limiting to actually come up with a plan of what you want to do.

I tell people all the time, like I say in a row, like people reach out to me like, how do I do this, how do that? And I'm like, when I question someone who's asked, I'm like, why? Why do you want to do it? How do I become a food Instagram like you? Why do you want to do that? Yeah. I want to sell ads. I want to get free food.

I'm like, well, then you're going to fail. If that's your number one thing, you're not going to succeed. I people DM me all the time. Hey, how do I make money? I look at their account and like I'm pretty I'm not mean but I'm pretty honest with them like okay well you have no followers your photos aren't good you have no voice here you have no value maybe find that find value and then other people find value in you yeah oh that was that was strong you know what I watch on TikTok I watch a lot of Gary V shit so I'm like oh yeah I just want to like

start yelling at people. You're the Gary Vee of food blogging. Put down the French fry and take a fucking photo. I'm speaking of, you're the Gordon Ramsey of food logging. Dude, I love Gordon Ramsey. What's his show?

Not Hell's Kitchen, the other one where he's like, Kitchen Nightmares. Kitchen nightmares. I had a binge on that show that was unhealthy. But it's basically, have you watched it? Not a while,

but I've seen a thousand episodes. Literally. Yeah, every episode's the same. They're all like, oh, my restaurant, I'm mad at this, people mad at that, but the food is amazing. And Gordon comes, he goes, are these shrimp frozen? And they're like, no. And he goes,

these shrimp are fucking frozen. Every time he goes, is this frozen? And they're like, no. He goes, why, you have a microwave in your kitchen, bitch? Oh my God, I love Gordon Ramsey. Anyway, back to darkness. When was last time you were depressed? I bet on depression a lot. You do? Yeah, I've had it forever.

Really? It's something that's manageable. It was something that used to be on medicine. I just hated taking medicine. What kind? What kind of medicine? Just like antidepressure? Yeah, I've no idea.

I haven't taken it in 10 years. So a lot. I think like that's... Was it hard to get off of it? No, because I was an idiot and just went off of them, which is like the complete wrong thing to do. Like, no one should ever do that. Yeah.

I would just like, I don't want to take this anymore. I just didn't tell anyone to stop taking them. And you had a little funky time during that? No, I think it was more funky taking them. That's why, like, I feel like I feel like I took a a lot of medicine for like that and like ADD shit and like did that high school and in college I feel like it feels like a totally separate person like I don't remember a lot from college it's not from drinking I didn't even really drink in college yeah so you you right now are

not in anything no and how does it make you feel good I mean I think like it's like I said it's something manageable I think like if it if they ever reach a point where like it is really bad for me obviously like you should seek help in some way yeah I should probably talk to someone but I don't do that either. But yeah, I think it's just sort of like an everyday thing. You just you learn to live with it and you learn to deal with it. I think like, hey, if I'm feeling bad, like, okay, go to what makes it feel good. Let's order some Chinese food and watch a Simpsons and sleep. You know what I mean? And I try to. I think like I love routines and my life is never routine, which can be really, really stressful. So I try and keep as much the same as I can every single day because

every single day is really going to be different. So I wake up at the same exact time every single day. I try to work out the same exact time every single day. I eat pretty much the same meals every single day. Wow. The things I can control, I will control because there's just chaos. Yes. And I think that sort of helps cope. How's your relationship with food throughout your life?

I'm happy to say that a healthy one. I'm so not lost a lot of weight. Oh, yeah. Raina mentioned that to me. So I lost 100 pounds nine years ago now, maybe, eight years ago. And I think, like, a few things can happen when you lose that much weight. I think one thing is you put it back on, which happens a lot. Two, you never maintain a healthy relationship with food again, and you can't eat ever again.

And there was scary, like, basically to lose, like, I went to a nutritionist, whatever. It was a crazy strict diet. I worked out two hours every single day, and I ate bars and shakes throughout the day and, like, the most basic little baby chopped salad for, like, six months, that's all I ate. Nothing else. How did you get the, like, determination to do things? that? I don't know. I just, I just felt like I wanted to change. Like my mom did it with me, which was nice to have like someone partnered with. You know, still living at home. This is right

after college, maybe. And I was in like a shitty job. I was working at WWE. And like the job itself was really stupid. It's feeling really, really down. And I was just like, let me, what can I change? I think like it's hard to take control of some things. But like, weight really is something you can control. If you put your fucking mom to me. Why do you think you gain? weight. I was always been big, though. It wasn't like a giant jump. It was like that was my whole life. Maybe not that was the peak. Do you think genetically you were kind of prone to it or you like were an emotional eater? A little bit, a little bit both. Like certainly I always default like even even this past year I lost 25 pounds and I still feel because I put back on a little bit maybe like

20 pounds or whatever it was which is fine. I'm 6.4. I could pretty much you know hold it well. But yeah, I do find myself like when I am feeling down like I was saying when I to handle like when I feel depressed I order in Chinese food like that's where my brain goes yeah like oh let me get that real comfort food in yeah let me like hey I've had a really stressful week do know what I want to do sit on my couch and eat sushi like it's always associated with the food I'm actually I'm similar with that too like the other day I'm so fucking stressed I deserve pet tie right that's exactly it is like if I'm feeling fucking great I'll eat salmon and a salad she eat for dinner every single night yeah if I'm

feeling like oh this just like I'm just beat yeah and let me just eat food and also like I remember John. Sorry, I'm just saying things that I want. But yeah, so like the, it's, it's weird then that I lose all this weight and then go into food. But it's really happy to say it's all to maintain that good relationship. Like when I started eating food again, it was hard. I remember like I ate a Shake Shack burger and like immediately. I'm like, I got to go a gym. I got to go to gym right now. We're going to three hours and work that off. Yeah. And it took a little bit of like, no, no, no. You could eat food. Just eat better. And your metabolism probably got so much better from lifting and working out. That's true. Like

your body just sort of reset itself a little bit, but it's always been that thing, like, okay, if I eat this, I don't want to, I don't want to make myself feel bad because I ate it. Sometimes I do. Like, I was hosting a show this past week, a food, a food show, and I had to eat lots of food every single day. And I got home yesterday. I'm like, fuck me, man. But also, like, you should feel that way. Like, you should feel like, okay, if I've eaten like crap for a week, let me have balance and eat really, really well for a week. And I think, like, me not being afraid. And be confident that your body will kind of handle that balance, naturally. And I think, like, I love food. When I travel, all I do is think about food. It's just like, you know, I went to Japan to spring. If I went there and was like, oh, I don't know if I could eat that because like, whatever, I'm like, no, fuck me. Like, I'm in Japan. Is there gluten in that soup dumpling? Right.

It's like, no, let me enjoy this. And I'll put in the work for myself to enjoy it. Yeah. So it's certainly a struggle. It's certainly hard. I do think a lot is listening to your body in an honest way. Like, I'll have, I'll be like, wow, I eat gross for three days. I don't have to go to the gym for five hours, but like the next three days I can eat later.

Right. And like, it's good. There's no, like, time limit. Granted, yeah, in this industry, if you're like, oh, I have a bikini photo shoot tomorrow, which I would not want to do or have it done. So I know if I brought that up. But yeah, also just get a spray tan.

You lose five pounds from that. Oh, really? I mean, you look thinner when you get tan. Interesting. Well, I'll be Miami next. Although I don't go outside of Miami. Only at night. It's too hot and human.

Yeah, it's disgusting. And I'm going to be out to 7.30 morning anyway. So I'm like, I'll go to like, this is so fuck, stupid boogie. I'll go to like, Sohast Miami. and sit there all day working, hide from the sun, and then reemerge at night. To drink tequila. What's your biggest physical insecurity now?

Everything. I still think, like, it's still weird when, like, people, like, I get DMs everything. How are you so fit? How are you so fit? How are you so skinny? I'm like, in my brain, I'm like, that's, what? What do you mean? What am I skinny?

What do you mean? I'm skinny. Like, I don't see that at all. Yeah. I understand. I mean, better than I was. But I don't see that in the mirror. So I think it's sort of an overall thing.

How has it affected your dating life now that you've, like, lost the weight, and you have this crazy job. Yeah. Is dating rough? Dating's not rough because, I mean, well, there's a difference. Also, you can be like, hey, come to this restaurant. Well, it's funny. It's like, I'll get a DM's like, hey, could I have brunch you at the thing?

I'm like, I don't want to brunch with this person. I mean, we get drinks or something. Brunches. You got to work up to that. That's aggressive. I mean, I think there's a difference between, like, dating and still, like, the interactional girls. I think, like, dating, whatever, I've been on 10,000 dates in New York City.

Whatever, who gives a shit. Yeah. I think, like, still, like, the. minds that you have that you're in like like I was going to an example like going to a bar like I'm not going up to a girl in a bar I'm going to go hide in the corner some girl might come talk to me and that's nice wait so but I won't reproach anybody are you going to propose to reyna I'm going to propose a rena no what happened with you two were you romantic at all um like was there a moment where you like I think I could date her I don't know things happened

You got to hear folks. Things have happened. I'll say this. How have you guys kept your friendship? If you want to know a story, go to a girl's got to eat live show that I'm at, and I'm at a lot of them. Oh, cool. There you go.

That's a plug. Give me that sweet royalty money. I wonder, though, like, how you've, it's fascinated that you guys have, like, hooked up in the past and now are, like, still very cool friends. But it just, I guess, shows how much you care about each other. I just think, all my friends are girls. So I think, like, there's sometimes a separation of, like, you meet somebody, like a very, you connect on some level and you might think it's romantically.

And then it's just like, no, but like we connected for a reason. Yeah. You know, and maybe it wasn't that, but the friendship is there. That makes more sense. Why do you think you like female friendships? I don't, I don't really have any male friends. I have one male friends, but I hang out with a lot. I think it's a few things.

I think it's just sort of like growing up where my mom is always like the most powerful person in our family. and like all the females like that was much more my childhood growing up or whatever even into adulthood and I don't know I just vibe with female energy much more and even in TV sometimes you think like there's a weird separation when you work in TV is like

the crew is the man and like and then the producers are females interesting like the food world like the big cameraman yeah yeah I mean that's changed now also to be a producer you have to be like very socially aware have empathy and like some guys aren't as skilled especially in the reality world, which is what I was in.

So, yeah, and then even in work world, it ended up like I gravitated towards producing. That's what I wanted to do. So it ends up just being around all females. My executive producers were females. My other producers were female. So just like from young age to it took a while for me to accept that. And I think like in high school, like you're friends with everybody. My high school is 120 kids.

You're friends with everybody. So you don't really think about it. I don't force to be friends. I think I had a lot of issues when I got to college because that was a first. first time you had to really make friends. Yeah. And I think I hadn't, I didn't understand, I hadn't come to conclusion you like, oh, it's okay to be friends of girls. I just kind of thought like, I'm not really that close to these guys, but that's what it's supposed to be. So then didn't really have

any friends. It wasn't until then working in TV. It was like, oh, okay, like, what the fuck's is the difference? People still think like, oh, wow, how did you? I'm like, I don't know, people are people. What the fuck's the difference? It's so true. Probably would be better for me to have more male friends. Like, I think about, what's the movie with, like, Paul road and he's like looking for a best man because he doesn't have any friends. Oh, I'm not sure. Is he just best man? Is it Jason Segal?

Oh, I love Jason Segal. He has like 40 movies that I can't differentiate. But I'm like, oh, fuck, is that going to be me? I don't like. And you don't have a brother. No, I've been a younger sister. You're a best woman. I probably will have to have that, yeah.

As long as she's not like super hot and then your bride's like, okay, this is, let's come It would probably be Raina, so what do you think? Oh, my God. Okay, but you're single now, right? Yes. Okay, if you guys want to talk to Jeremy, hit him up, but you have to get through Raina. We're going to end with a final game called Seven Deadly Sins. It's about to get crazy.

Seven Deadly Sins. Okay, what are you greedy about? I'm greedy. Let's go back to work. I'm greedy with engagement. I want to fucking, like, I go back to this. I thought you meant engagement. No, no, I'm talking social media.

I am a very competitive person. I don't think people have to fail for me to succeed. But, like, say, like, I work with the brands and you've reached out to a few influencers or do something around them. All I care about is beating them in engagement. I'm like, I want to make sure my shit is creatively to best. Yeah. 100%.

But if my engagement isn't as good as something. someone else is, like, I can't sleep at night. It's funny because it is such a small world. And when a brand's reaching out, you kind of know who the heavy hitters are. We're also like, we're probably talking to each other. We're like, hey, just brand reach out. Like, we help each other negotiate. Just why, like, I want to see them succeed.

I love that. But, like, in a day, I still want to beat them. And it keeps you driven and engagement's money. That's it. Who are you envious of? Raina and Ashley. I want that sweet podcast money. Oh, my God.

Yeah. And you have a podcast, but it's niche. You have a wrestling podcast called Monday Night Wars, Monday Night Pod Wrestling's War. If you are a wrestling fan, it is a nerd super deep dive. I understand it's not for everybody. But to me, it goes back to what brunch was, which was a passion project.

If I ever make money, that's fun. But you know what? If not, it's the couple of hours a week that I get to hang out with my only male friend and talk wrestling, not worry about everything else. So it's fun. If you want to go to listen, you don't want to. Yeah, I feel like a lot of my listeners love wrestling.

Just kidding. But wrestling is very similar to reality TV. It is reality TV. It is reality TV. I literally had an ex who would like shit on reality TV and I was like, you love wrestling. It's the same thing. You think The Bachelor is not the same thing as wrestling. I have become addicted to The Bachelor only through Jared Fried's stories.

I've never seen a second of it on TV. That is so funny. But I fucking love it. Especially coming from like a reality TV background. Yes. I, you know, I don't want to sit there. I mean, I guess I sit. The most part of the show is, like, going on Twitter and seeing everyone's opinions that you're thinking in your head.

I'm just so blown away about how well it's produced. Like, that, like, tickles me. What food are you gluttonous about the most? Sushi. Oh. Sushi is my favorite food. I could eat that nonstop forever. Where do you go in the city?

Where's your go-to? This is a bad, oh, it's an answer I like. Most people don't like this. I order from the same sushi place every single week. I like New York City delivery sushi. Not saying the omacostas aren't amazing. And if I could just afford to eat omacostis, that'd be amazing. but I tend to do more like the expensive really nice sushi stuff when I travel.

So I order in from Kanahashi in Greenpoint. Shout out to them. Every single week, I have the same exact order. It's just like I call like. So spicy crunchy salmon, spicy crunchy tuna, peanut and avocado roll. Oh, I've never. So it has that crunch, a salty sweet. See, yeah, you get it.

Very fatty. Mm-hmm. Yep. Oh, yeah. And maybe like a little shumai on the side. see what kind of app I'm feeling. Do you know what I actually love, which I think people don't talk about enough, is spicy, crunchy scallop rolls.

Ooh, that sounds good. I love scallop rolls. They just melt in your mouth. Oh, this podcast is so fun. I love talking about food so much. Well, too much. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath? Like, do you have an angry side to you?

Yeah, I mean, listen, I deal with idiots on social media every single day. And, yeah, it depends. Like, I always say, like, I'll, like, sometimes, because I'll look at my phone. It's like, and I'm going to wake up and I'm checking stuff. And some mornings I wake up and I was fucking fired up outside. I mean, like, I just get hot about something. I think especially when it's more coming after me, just getting back to like not having respect for what I do.

Yeah. I think that sets me off morning. Because, listen, I'm a big boy. If you want to make fun of me for something, make fun of me, what the fuck do I care? Yeah. I think it's when I know that they just have such little respect for what I put a thousand percent of my time, energy, and money into... So, like, haters, you're saying?

Haters are fine, but I think, like... Or if someone reaches out, they're like, hey, for $200, can you, like... No, that's a... It's more in the, yes, a hater realm of just, like, having no respect for what I do. Like, they hate this for some reason. I'm like... Well, they're projecting their own issues on you. Right, yeah.

Maybe their dad who divorced their mom, you still have sushi, and they... Honestly, it gets that complicated sometimes. You have to think that it's, yeah, ugh, haters... I've had, like, I'm actually pretty good. good with the haters because I never you just can't take a personal even though it's fully personal I engage I judge it by if they follow me or not yeah if they follow me I'm like let me try and be nice about it yeah because maybe they're not trying to be mean if they don't I'm like fuck them I unleash on them I'm let me blow them up on my stories and we should oh I blow people

because I also think like I just I just want people to take a second because I think sometimes I don't think about what you say it's very easy to type things yeah so maybe even if you follow me and you see my story of and you see how dumb someone look for saying something completely ignorant, maybe you think the next time before you type something. Yeah. And I think, too, like, as much as I try and have a personality at Brunchways is a very human thing, people forget sometimes that there's a person, even know every video is of me. They still think there's a separation of, like, I get DMs all the time responding

something, and I respond, and they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe you responded to me. I'm like, what do you mean? You DM me. Like, that's my job. First of all, it's my job. But too, like, someone said, this morning, they apologize. They said, oh, my God, I can't believe you you DM me. I'm like, oh, like, you know, I really try hard to.

to get back to everyone and she's like oh my god i'm so sorry about that i won't ever respond to you i'm like no like this is social media please respond to me like i fucking need you to respond this is the whole point of social media i will i will blow up people's spots though if they're like say something really stupid and funny like some girl summer has aired and she wrote you your face is like a toilet bowl and then she was like as in every it looks like everyone shits on your face. I was like, this needs to be posted

on my night's story. I'm like, thanks for clarifying your diss to me. I'm actually more insulted you think that I didn't get it the first time. And actually I didn't get it

because that was fucking weird. And then I watch like, my people be like, that's so fucked up. And I'm like, I know, right? Go harasser. So I don't have to. When was the last time

you were a sloth? Like, when do you have your lazy days? More when I'm hung over and that was this past weekend. Yes. I mean, I work,

I end up working seven days a week. But yeah, if I know like I'm going out hard, I'm like, okay, the next day, like, this ain't happened. It's going to be three delivery orders that day. And me just like, what was that time we had a girlfriend? Ten years ago. When was the last time you lusted over someone? That happens a lot, actually. Do you have a celebrity crush? No. I don't, no, I don't, no, I'm not into like celebrity stuff. I don't really watch movies. Yeah. I also think there's some, there's a very weird blurred line of celebrities now. Who's a celebrity? Oh, yeah. People think I'm a celebrity.

I don't know. Yeah. Are you a celebrity? You're on TV. Everyone's a celebrity. That's it. Yeah. What's your type?

Um, I always say like small brunette. Uh-huh. But now I feel like, I don't know, I'm 32. I'm like, there's a wide range of everything out there. And it's silly. I think it's silly to have something in a brain because I've gone on a thousand dates. Yeah. Of who in my brain is exactly who this person should be.

Yeah. But I didn't vibe with them. Yeah. So I think it's very silly, which is why I don't love the dating apps. I was off them for like a year. Yeah. And I went back on a few weeks ago. And I don't like it because I think it traps you in this.

I know, I like vibing. It's all physical. I always say you'll never know if you would naturally gravitate toward that person. We're at a bar. Like, you, if you're at a dinner party, you'll gravitate towards someone you vibe with. It just happened. Where these apps, I'll like see a guy who I guess looks hot. And I'll be like, what I, and then four weeks are wasted me talking to this dude.

I'm like, would I even go up to you at a bar or like naturally talk to you at a dinner table? Yeah. I don't know, but we were forced to go on a date. No, I just sort of like, I forget about conversations quickly. Yeah, good for you. Whatever. Why do you think you've been single for 10 years? That's red flag.

Huge red flag. Could I use work as an excuse? Kind of. Yeah, sure. I'll go back. So I want to ask you one final question. I go, yeah, we go. Yeah, it's good enough.

What advice would you give to the little devils who are listening on how to cope with your hell? When you're going through it, what advice do you have? I think this is a good lesson in all life. I think it's finding things that you're passionate about and just taking time for them. I'm very, very lucky where I had this little baby thing that was passionate about that was just supposed to be a creative release because in TV, I was frustrated. The money sucks in TV and your time sucks in TV and all those things. But at the end of the day, you deal with it because, like, you love working in TV so much.

What I was being frustrated with was the creative aspect. As I moved up in the TV world, starting from Bobby Flea's PA, when I made his yogurts, great. I did a good job. He enjoyed me. That's fun. As I moved up in a creative world where you have more creative input, I became more frustrating in what I was doing because I didn't see my vision playing out, nor shouldn't have played out. There were 18 producers above me.

I'm not the goddamn executive producer. But still, it became very, very frustrating where, like now, where I could get away with all that other bad stuff, it was killing me. So I was like, and then me take this little passion. Thank God I had this little passion thing, but then thank God blew up, and I could take time to do that. But the original idea of brunch was, okay, if I'm going to be creatively, creatively is going to be really difficult in TV. At least when I'm not on a show, I'll have this fun, weird thing I can do. I think that's really helpful. what that is but I don't know maybe people like to bowl I don't fucking know what you want to do

but at least trying to take the time to do that because listen no one's life is easy and everything's hard and work sucks very better even what you do I think too like it's always like there's that thing of like no matter how rich you are you're still going to have issues listen I'm not a rich person but I certainly have more money that it's in TV and I still feel like okay that stuff helps maybe there's some pressure off it but there's other pressures other places so yeah I think it's just finding those little things like that you take pure joy out of. And sometimes it's like checking you with yourself to ask yourself what those things are.

Because if you've only been focusing on like money and what your parents want you to do or what you think success is, you won't hear those voices in your head that are like, I want to be a rock climber. Yeah. Well, no, but also, so I did a video a few months back about sort of like my battles with depression or whatever and it had so much feedback. Like I forget when it puts stuff out there. I forget, I see the numbers, but I forget people really watch it. And it had so much feedback about people.

telling me about their own issues and what they've gone through. People have gone through much worse than me or everyone else, whatever. And they're all just, they're like, wow, how do I, like a lot of it was I hate my job, say where I was going through TV stuff. And I was like, yeah, that sucks. But like, I'm just, I was so lucky to find something that I was able to shift away from. That's really hard to do. So maybe don't think of it as this gigantic shift.

I have to quit my job to be happy because that's difficult or just find more of those little things of, okay, this aspect of this job sucks, but you know what, I make a lot of money doing it or I'm in a good location because of it, but in the weekends, I'll do this. And that's what I try to tell people. Start small. And I honestly feel that the universe will guide you

into places you're meant to go and things will do well when it's like where you're meant to be. How long do you think you want to do brunch boys for? I mean, I don't know. I'm thinking about stuff a lot, what to do next. Because you've been doing it for a bit. Yeah, but I like about it is because there are no rules when you get bored of something. I get bored of stuff very, very quickly.

I can just pivot and do something else, like not pivoted completely, but like even the types of videos I produce, even just 2020, I'm like, or I want to do different types of videos. It's more work for me, but creatively I feel better about it. Posting stuff is fun. I've done some of that, digital stuff, just giving me more stuff to do. And it could be full circle where you are doing more TV stuff where you're hosting like a show or digital. I like more digital. I mean, I did it this past week.

I sort of like the digital aspect. I'm like, my audience doesn't even own TVs. Yeah, I'm the same way. But, yeah, I like that. I'm thinking about some other stuff, too. My brain is always going crazy with a thousand ideas. So I think, like, there's strategies to everything. I mean, if I could just keep producing and be happy with that, that's fantastic.

But, you know, this quote-unquote influencer world is very weird. It is weird. Well, I want to thank you so much for coming to hell. Where can people follow you? You could do brunch boys on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, Facebook. Facebook. The podcast is Monday Night Pod Wrestling's War. I have a personal account, Jeremy DeCobot's. I'm a micro, I'm a mega, I don't know, whatever you could call that, and I'm a micro-influencer. I get paid for both of my accounts. It's fucking sweet. Yeah, all those places. Just type in brunch boys at Jeremy, whatever thing you're on, type that in and I'll pop up. If you love food porn and you love learning about food, I'm obsessed with the account. I think it's amazing. And you guys, if you're listening to this and you've been enjoying Bernie in Hell, leave me a review, screenshot it. DM it to me and I'll say thank you

and that I love you and I want to have your babies. Thanks for coming to hell. What a fucking deal. I'm very fertile right now. 28. My eggs are about to die, but I need to use them. Thanks for coming to hell and I'll talk to you guys later.

Bye.