Berner Phone - Jill Zarin: Surviving The Housewives & Socialite Secrets

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

Jill Zarin is back. She's as hilarious, opinionated, and fabulous as ever. She explains why she decided to do a reality show, how she got cast, and the aftermath of leaving. She spills the tea on times she got mad at Andy Cohen and tells us all about her new love. She also updates us on her relationship with her daughter, Aly, and their brand https://jillandally.com/! Use the code BERN15 for 15 percent off your order (I recommend the manifestation candles)

But when people who are super, super wealthy, you know they have money, they're on television. Why are you wearing Louis Vuitton from head to toe? It just looks so bad. I'm wearing pictures. No, no, I'm wearing these. No, no, I'm wearing these, yes. But I'm talking head to toe. Welcome to Burning Hell.

for this episode of Burning in Hell. What a clever name. Thank you. What a clever name? I am with someone... At What the Fox Studios. At What the Fox Studios. I'm with someone who walked

so I could run. I'm with someone who pulled off bangs better than anyone has ever pulled off bangs in the history of bangs. And I am with a true New York City queen. Jill Zarin, an honor and a privilege, welcome. Wow, what an intro. Thank you, Hannah.

And Allie's here. Don't let her sneak away. I am so excited because Allie reached out at beginning of quarantine and was selling masks that they were making. And I said, I'd love, now they have a full-on company, Jill and Alley.com and Jill Zarin.com that you guys are running. You've donated a tonne to health care workers. Millions. And you are now creating like a full-fledged brand. It's been a brand for a long time as Jill Zarin, my rugs, which, by the way, if you have a needed a rug, let me know.

But you have a great rug now. It matches you. But then, Allie, the quarantine happened. Ali, I would want you here to tell this. So, well, quarantine happened. And Allison, of course, you know, the Jewish, the long story is, you know, the Jewish mother calls Allison and says, you better get your ass down to Florida. And she's like, oh, okay, but I'll come on Monday. I want to go out my friends this weekend.

I'm like, Allie, the point of quarantine is that you don't go out with your friends this weekend and bring that shit down here to your grandparents. It's interesting. Like it's not in Florida. So, you know, of course, you know, I cat out to only one person is my daughter. And I'm like, okay, whatever you say, honey. But my boyfriend at the time, Gary was also in the city. And they both showed up. Oh, well, Gary, I knew it was coming.

But Gary brought Ali as a surprise. And the rest is history. We quarantined with my parents down the block for the, you know, three months that we all did, literally locked down. Yep. But we got bored real fast. Allie also lost her job during quarantine because of business closed, which, ironically, was closing any was closing not because of the pandemic they would

have thrived so much it was an online auction house of art oh wow and people would have gone crazy to buy art online because they what are they going to do with all the money you're going to look at your bare wall what are they going to do with all the money they're collecting from the government it's a good investment in art you know it's like the government's giving you free art

so how has your two your relationship changed over time because I remember watching little alley on TV Real House is in New York 2008 adorable but she's always seems to be like around whether it's you guys donating or working with charities. Do you guys like working together? What's going on? Give me the tea. Not every day. I'm being honest. And I would say she would answer the same question the same way. It's hard, you know, because I want to have a mother-daughter

relationship. And being business partners is a totally different relationship. Yes. And sometimes I say to her, you know, can we just go back to the mother-daughter relationship and you run the business? I'm like, not that I want to close it. I'm like, Allie, can't you just, do it by yourself, and she doesn't want to. You better jump up. Uh-oh, uh-oh. I'll go back to Foka tonight.

Well, no, I would say, like, everyone else, like, I miss my commute to work, you know? Like, I miss having a job and having a boss and having the routine of the nine to five. And I don't think that we ever would have planned for this because she always had her, like, well, not always. You only start a reality TV and, like, you're, like, later in life, like, your last half of life.

No, no, you don't know what I mean? Like you had your career, you had your, you got married, you had your child. Right, your beginning of life was a normal path. My path when I was 14, the reality show. It got weird. So I always had in mind, I'm going to college, I went to Vanderbilt, I had a job the next day after I graduated, I got my master's. Like, I always wanted a nine to five job. I didn't think of being an influencer, like having these other revenue streams.

No. But because of COVID, I think everyone had to like think outside the box. And it just happened that we became entrepreneurs. whatever this is called. Yeah. And now I wouldn't go backwards. I don't think I could have a boss anymore. Oh my God.

I said, okay, COVID's over. Back to New York. I can't see Jill Zeran having a boss. She did. Oh, I've had bosses. Mentors. My mentor became the president of Macy's. Oh, wow.

Yeah, Jeff Cantor. And now he's retired, but he was my mentor from my whole. He's still my mentor. I still call him for advice. During COVID, I called him for advice. Oh, my God. I mean, you are a busy bitch. You are very, very busy.

Do you guys both have the same work? I think Ali, to be fair, I think Ali stepped up. Oh, wow. I think she's more creative and I think I am. Well, in the sense that she's not great with like focusing and getting on a computer and responding to emails. Like those basic things. Yeah. Which I'm more accustomed to because I just got out of.

She brings the color. I like to talk on the phone. I'm old fashioned. She's old school. Texting an email. I need to hear your voice. I want to, you know, because things come up in a conversation that sometimes you can't put into an email because it would be

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yeah oh very much so we love crystals okay very spiritual Jill's Aaron, I didn't know this about you. Not religious. Oh, my God. Oh, they smell incredible.

Thank you. You don't even know, like, with, you know, Bobby, my husband passed away. Yes. It'll be four years tomorrow. Yes. And when he passed, I took photographs of a lot of just that whole week. And what we found is there were these orbs, these blue orbs and photographs that you didn't see when you took the photo. I don't if you've ever seen that.

I've heard about this. Well, they were all over Bobby that last week as he was passing, you know, because he would go up and down. Do you think those are his like guides or his like spirits? Well they come to me so now we take photographs all the time and there are certain places where that orb is there and if it's a video the orb's jumping you know it's not normal. It's not like

a light and a flash. A flash doesn't go up and down you know it's I could show them to you they would make you crazy like they're real. So we believe I believe in that and Bobby's around us all the time just in Costa Rica with us right? I love hearing you talk about him to the girls

listening, do you have any advice about finding a quality relationship after having something so special with Bobby? Yeah, because I found, I found love again with Gary. I got very lucky. I found my next, you think, did you think you were going to? Did you manifest this? Of course I manifested it. Bobby manifested it for me. I knew Gary before, not in a romantic way, but I had met Gary before. In fact, Bobby, Gary came to my, my shiva call, you know, for people who don't know, Chavis where is an opportunity for people to come and pay their respects to the family of the loss of the person

they lost. And it was at my apartment and I think it was the second day. Gary Brody shows up looking so hot and he's going to scarf around his neck. Wait, Patty Stanger is like, who is that guy? Patty wanted him. Oh yeah. Oh, Patty wanted him. Oh, yeah, Lisa Gaston.

By the way, I'm a huge fan of Patty. Oh, you got a patty. You should have Patty. I mean, it's all about the picker. Oh, yeah. And by the way, Patty is the biggest crystal person you've ever met well she's LA I mean no but she's really really really you know she's making spells I mean she's like

doing so Bobby was like don't be sad here is a gift for me how is Gary different than Bobby he's younger one more thing though because with Bobby it was like a 10 year you know it was a very

it wasn't like a we don't call it like a tragedy in that it wasn't like a sudden yeah it was like Long time. It was a very long time. No one wants someone to suffer. He was perfectly fine for nine years. It was the last year or last 18 months that things started to go downhill.

And the last six months that were horrific. I wouldn't wish on anyone. Do you feel like you almost appreciate Gary more after knowing how things are not forever? No. I don't think I appreciate him more. I just think I appreciate him. I don't think it's because of that. Now, I just, Gary's just completely different than Bob.

Bobby, like, you could not have more polar opposites. For example, I hope he's listening. Bobby was, first of all, Bobby was a nightbird. So he wouldn't, he would say the cracker dawn. He would be up at the crack at noon. He wouldn't get up, he wouldn't be ready to go out till the crack of noon. He'd get up around 10. He would take an hour, the shower, the bath, the hair, this.

He took 10 times longer than me. I'm in and out of that shower, makeup on in 15 minutes. Right? Then he had to have his coffee. You know, it was the whole thing. And I'm like, let's go, let's go, let's go. I was always waiting for Bobby. My whole marriage, I'm always waiting for Bobby because he was slow.

But he never lost anything. He never misplaced anything. It took his time. He never made any mistakes because he took his time and he was careful, meticulous. He would count his money all going in the right direction. He would make sure he had money. Make sure he'd have his credit cards. He made sure in the old days before there was.

GPS, he's not great with directions. So he would always have a map. I remember this when we would day. He would have a map and he would have a draw now and he would have all the directions. I mean, he was everything about Bobby Zarin was and he always dressed impeccably. He was in a suit and a tie and he had

a thing and he always had a hanky. My father actually always had an handker. So he has the opposite of Gary. So here comes Gary. How would you like to describe Gary? Trying to pick women up at a funeral. Wedding pressures. How would you describe him? He's more practical.

He gets out of bed. He puts a snagie on. He might sleep in the closing night before, except at 5 a.m. So Bobby would stay up until, you know, three in the morning. Doing what? Watching TV. But when he was younger, he used to own nightclubs. Oh, so he's used to that.

Bobby was the guy wanted a date when he was like 25. He had a Ferrari. He had a lot of money. He was very flashy. In those days. studio 54 he owned in west hampton he owned a place called taras where he'd have all these broadway singers come and sing for their supper so to speak and work and he owned um another one i remember the name but he was like he was a cool night owl right he should have been a nightclub

owner that was his not not a warehouse not a fabric warehouse that wasn't glamorous enough for bobby's it really wasn't it was it was not his calling it ended up being what he did to make somewhat of a living but not really he made his money in real estate he had a lot of properties on the the Lower East Side and all over the country. That's what he loved. Zarin Fabrics was the place where he hung his hat. Yeah. You know, he made a living, but, you know, he supported a lot of families.

I feel connected to the Zarin brand because I do live in the Lower East Side and I walk by Zarin fabrics every day. And I tell my fiance, okay, Jill Zarin, and I try to give him the whole rigumorole. I show him your Instagram. Have you walked inside? I'd love to hear what they're doing. I mean, I could snoot for you. I would love you to.

Get the drama. I will say they have the best fabric prices in town. They really do. And you got them on Bravo. That first episode, you put them on the map? You know what's so funny? The family, I won't name names, but the people who worked there really, I think, resented me for a long time about it and never credited me with any business or traffic

or anything. It's not easy to get a business on Bravo. In fact, they were embarrassed of me, I would say. Like, they were almost, some of the people in the family were embarrassed that I was on such a reality show. And when I would say, would you like to film? you know, they wouldn't want to. But to be fair, no one knew what reality TV was back in 2009. Why in the hell did you decide to do it in 2008?

Because I say yes to everything. That was my mom. Same. That was my motto. And they came to me. How did they find you? They found me online because the production company was hired by Bravo to cast a show called Manhattan Moms. Yes.

And it was about moms and their kids. And so they had these young 25-year-old and interns or whatever in L.A. told to do this. And, you know, even back then, the Internet wasn't what it is today. There was no Twitter. There was no Instagram. There was no Facebook. I mean, maybe there was a little Facebook.

And it was Guests of a Guest and New York Social Diary, which I don't even know if it exists anymore. They found a photo of Allie and I at a charity event called Artrageous. And they looked my phone number, 911, 911. Oh, no, 411. And they called me. And I had the, you know, I had the tape for a long time. I think it's still darned fabrics. I don't have it anymore.

But it was James Davis, who I found out yesterday, he's still working in television. And he was British. And I thought he was like this older, sophisticated guy. I found out he was like 24, jeans, whatever. Very cool kid. And he said, my name is James Davis. I'm calling from Rickishay Television.

We produced Supernanny. Would you be interested in doing a reality show about glamorous, moms, and their kids? Please give us a call. Here's my number. Wow. And I said to Bobby, it was on my answering machine. Does anyone know what an answering machine is?

It was on my answering machine. And I said, what do I do? Oh, my God, this is amazing. I'll be famous. I think they said, oh, put yourself on tape. So I did a five-minute tape. And I had a guy who I had met who was in television. And he came over and I had that old-fashioned silver, you know, camera.

I mean, what was it called? Like a JVZ. What was the name of that? JV.C. I don't know. Whatever the tape was. It was a camp quarter. And I did a five-minute high on Jill's. And by the way, they've used this tape since on different things on Bravo. That's why whatever you do, you better make sure it's good enough to be out there on the front page. So we did a video in my, you know, fake Park Avenue-esque apartment because I lived on First Avenue in a new, brand new building, which like today you would make it totally modern and hip and cool. But I had this vision that I wanted to live on Park Avenue. So I, literally spent like a hundred grand on moldings and all the shit, which I ended up ripping out

because I hated it. I mean, everything I ever do, I like do and they rip out in decorating. But anyway, so I do this tape. You know, hi, I'm Jill Zarin. And this is my husband, Bobby Zaron, my daughter, Allie. And at the time I had Ginger and she goes to school on the Upper East Side and glamorous life and we do charity and da-da. And then they call me back and they said, we'd love to come out to New York and tape you

for a day in your real life. And I'm like, awesome. Now, at the time, I had this gay husband, Brad, if anybody remembers, and he was, like, my partner in crime. And he and I had actually talked about pitching a reality show. Like, because Lisa Gastonet have had one. It sounds like you manifested this. Oh, I totally manifested it. So continue.

That's where I have manifestation candles. That's what I do. I manifest things. I think about it. And it's like a vision board. It's the same thing. It really is. So they come, they film you that day?

They come and they spent the day with me. And she followed me to work and followed. me and Brad, then I remember we went to get Allie at school. And then, of course, we did what we never do, right? So we go to school, I pick her up. Then we go to Barney shopping. You know, then we go somewhere else shopping. And I'm like, we don't normally do this, okay? She goes home and does homework. And I usually don't pick her around. She's like, now you do. Make her take a taxi. Walk home. At the time, I had a fancy life. I had a driver named Paul in a Bentley and pick Ali up at school. I was all fancy pants. Remember that? And so then we, so,

Then I made dinner for five girlfriends at a restaurant. I made a reservation. And I remember this. I get in the car. I'm in the back of my Bentley. I have my driver. And, you know, I'm trying to, I want, you know, whatever you want, if I say I want something, I want to get it.

Like, I'm not going to go in half ass. I'm going to really try. And I was really committed. I wanted to get the show. Even if I would say no, I wanted to get the offer. I mean, that's the way. Even if I can't go to your party. Right.

Even if I can't go to your party, you better fucking imagine. Okay? Because I am going to hold it against you. I'm holding it against a friend of mine right now who's coming to her Christmas party, even though she lives in Las Vegas. It doesn't matter, and I'm in Boca. I want to be included.

So, anyway, I'm in the back of the car, and I was at that time running with a crowd of women who were a bit older than me, more mature and successful and very much in philanthropy. Very much in philanthropy. And one of them was Denise Rich. And in those years, Denise was like

the queen of New York. Yeah. She was divorced from Mark Rich. She lives in a triple penthouse on Fifth Avenue.

She, you know, on the tragedy of tragedy, which she will never have a day with, is that, you know,

her daughter died of leukemia. And she's given and dedicated her life to raising money to find a cure. And if it wasn't for her

and the money, she's raised, I mean, her daughter would not have died today. Wow. Her daughter

would have had treatment because of Denise. And so Denise lived a very fabulous, fancy life and we were friends.

I was, you know, she came to Allison's bat mitzvah, and I was so happy. Like, how many people can say that Denise Rich came to their daughter's bat mitzvah? I was, like, so impressed by that and so happy, and I loved her. I did. I still love her, by the way. I still go to all her stuff. Yes, so this is the OG influencer. This is real socialite.

This is like the real, they don't have it anymore. It doesn't exist. People don't want to go to charities the way they did. Well, can you give me advice for back in the day how to be a successful socialite. Have a lot of money. Have a lot of money and buy tickets. You're going to buy your way in by buying tickets. You're going to buy tickets. You're going to buy tables. And that's how you meet people. Influencer events are now kind of that thing. But I'm awkward in like a big group setting. I end up finding like the one girl who also was like, this is stupid, right? So how do you

go to an event and not make a fool of yourself? Like what's the, what's the trick to being cool at an event? I always had Bobby Zaron with me. Yes. So even if I feel like a child and a fool. Yeah. He makes me look really good. Oh. You know, you've never met him. So you have a good sidekick. I mean, he's just, you know, for a man or anyone to survive four years on Real Housewives where there isn't one person on the planet who would say one bad word about him.

I mean, let's say, I won't even mention her. I was going to say even she showed up at his funeral. It's like, you know, there wasn't a bad word that anybody would say about Bobby Sarin on this planet, even being on television for four years. So he said enough that he didn't, like, not exist. Sure, you can be on the show. If you don't talk, you're not going to get in trouble. Oh, no, he spoke.

But the way he spoke. Right. And Mario, Mario was horrible to me and mean, cruel to me. Bobby would never treat a woman like that. Bobby was an old friend. It always gets awkward when you see the guys, like, stirring up drama with the women. And I'm always like, let. You know, and Bobby would listen to it and watch it, but he knew what to step in.

And he also knew what advice to give you. Yeah, a lot of times he would say nothing. And he would just like, he would always say, I'm going to stay out of it. The girls have to fight with the girls. Which is respectful. Like when Mario came after me, this is many years ago, you know, Bobby would step in and he would be very quiet and subtle, you know, and he would say to Mario, you know, Mario, let's just stay away from Jill. Like, he wouldn't get aggressive.

It wasn't his nature. So he was my protector. But in any case, I remember sitting in the back of the Bentley that day in my audition tape. And I had all my mail, and I was opening up all these invitations. And that's what I was like, I'm like, I'm like, I remember. with a fabulous circle of friends. Look at this. And then I'm like, here's Denise Rich.

And here's this one. And here's this one. Little did I know. That was my audition tape that I made with them that one day. So I was talking to Barry the other day. She thought that was in season one, an episode. I'm like, no. That wasn't an episode.

No. Or did they use it? They used it in an episode. But it wasn't filmed for the episode. It was filmed for my tape. I do have to let people know that I've been. chatting with you a little bit before filming this pod and um you're made for tv everything that comes out of your mouth is hysterical unique raw authentic oh it's and i haven't but i also would argue i feel

like if you'd been in the franchise i don't know if you'd be as down to earth right now even if i stayed if you if you'd been on it for the last i would agree with you no no i mean i would agree that um my family told me that i changed they didn't like who i was becoming by season four I didn't see it at all. I'm like, why are you saying that? I don't agree at all. These people love me online. I don't know.

But looking at my hair might have been an indication. I had so much hair. My ego was as big as my hair. I don't know what to say. Except that I believe that God always brings you what you can handle. I think that things that are meant to be are meant to be. There is such thing as manifestations, but there's also God knowing. and I always try to give advice, like, to Allie is to, like, follow the energy, you know?

And there's a joke. It's probably too long a joke, but meaningful, Bobby used to tell the joke a lot better than I will, but it has a, it has a real message to it. And can I, I don't know if I have enough time to say. Oh, no, we love a joke. We love a joke. Yeah, you can cut it if you don't want it. But this is a good one. This is Bobby Zarin's, like, best one.

He would say, okay, so there's three, there's a guy who's, who, you know, he's a guy who, goes fishing, and his boat turns over, and he's drowning, okay? And another boat comes by and says, hey, mister, let me throw you a lifeline. And the guy says, no, no, no, no, God will save me. And then a helicopter comes by and drops the basket. And the guy says, no, no, no, God will save me. And then another boat comes by. And, you know, they throw him another lifeline. And they're like, you know, can we help you? And he says, no, no, God will save me. Well, they all leave. and he's there and he drowns and he dies. And he gets up to heaven and he says to God,

I don't understand. You said you were going to save me. He says, what else could I do? I sent you a fucking boat. I sent you a helicopter. I sent you another lifeline and you didn't take it. What else can I do? So the moral of the story is that if you listen to the messages,

God is not going to talk to you with a telephone. He's not going to call you and say, don't get on that plane or don't take that role or take that role. But there are other messages if you listen that guide you that way. Some of them are as rough as you got fired. That's a message you can't undo. But you have to take that as, I got fired because I'm supposed to get fired because there's something else out there that I couldn't do if not for.

Like you may not have been able to do this podcast, which will survive 50 seasons or whatever seasons Summer House last. This will survive it. And you will make so much more money doing it because you'll get an NFT thing going. Look at this. You're going to have an avatar. And you're going to have all these crazy things, which you would not have done had you stayed in the Bravo universe. And then in five years from now, when you have an avatar and you're making millions of dollars,

and if Bravo came to you and said, would you like to come back, you're going to be like, no way. You know, I've moved on and look what I'm doing now. Did it take you a while to learn this yourself? yes yeah sure i mean i think that i wish i had a friend like me yeah teach me the like you my parents always said to me why do you always have to break your arm to know what it feels like why can't me telling you not to do this that you're going to break your arm is enough why isn't that enough why do you have to do it because that's who i am i'm like you i need to make the mistake myself and then i'll never forget it but i and i'll learn from for me some the universe

The universe will like really kick me out of situations because they know I'm a fighter so they'll be like we need to make it so impossible for her to go down this route and then listen to it and stop fighting it and I also think about it with energies of people too like you think about relationships, friendships that work out

it's so effortless and it feels nice and then the ones where you feel like almost dirty afterward listen to that listen to that because you're so you're so caught into your head that you want it to work, that you fight every instinct coming saying don't do it. Yeah. Because you and your other part of your brain is like, I have to do it, I have to be successful.

I don't care what blocks me. Or you're listening to other voices that think that it's right for you. And I would also argue that when you leave a situation and actually shut a door that you're scared to shut, you have no idea the other doors that are going to open. What is A.Cook who's my mother's younger sister, who is my mother's younger sister, who was My, you know, spiritual, you know, guidance and the person who encourages me, she's the one who watches every television show, everything I have and calls me right after as I'm walking down the hall in, you know, the Today Show, she'll be like, you were great,

you were great, you know, she's the call that you want, you know, because, you know, when you're famous, a lot of people in the beginning they do, but as you stay famous, they don't anymore. They assume everyone else is. They assume everyone's kissing your ass and everyone else is telling you how great you are. By the way, it's not true. And Hannah does want a phone call when she has a good podcast to say, you know what?

I love your podcast today. Right? And not a stranger. I'm talking about someone who means something to you, whether it's your fiancé. When you're going through something hard, too, people just like assume like, well, she has the following. She's fine. She's not people. No, you know, not always.

So anyway, I have the same cookie who no matter what will always be the one. Every birthday I get a card. Every anniversary I get a card. If I'm not feeling well. If someone does, I mean, she is the most incredible. But she has a saying. She says to me all the time As something's not going well for me

She'll say, you know, Jill, when one door opens When one door closes, a window opens Says it all the time And it's true. Yeah. It is true when a door closes A window opens.

This is an opening, I'm guessing, for you. Were you doing this when you were on your show? I was, but it's evolved and I have another podcast that evolved from the show called Giggly Squad where my friends and I talk about that. Go off on it, and it's so much fun for me.

But I always feel like if I had planned my life and focused really hardcore for one thing, I would have never, you can't even imagine what you can get when you just like let yourself go towards the right energy. But I want to know, what was Jill Zarin like when she was 25? Where was she? What was her mindset? Okay. My mindset, I was newly married to Allison's dad. I was very hard worker. And I still am.

It's a work ethic thing. It's never about money. It brings you joy. You like it. Like back then, I was hungry to make money. I grew up upper middle class. My parents never, I never wanted for anything. I even had a car when I graduated college, not new.

It was like a 1973, Pontiac Randam. But, you know, I, but I love to work because I've always gotten self-satisfaction from earning money working. Like, that's the payment. It wasn't close. Actually, when I was really young, like 13, I'd work in a store. called infinity and they would give me free jeans or clothes. So I would work in the basement organizing the stock room and she would throw me a shirt or something at the end of the day. Like that was enough for me. And I'm motivated that way. I'm motivated by money and I'm motivated

by incentives. That's what drives me. That doesn't drive everyone. It's interesting. You have to kind of know when people work for you what motivates them. But that's a whole other show. I can give a lot of business advice too. What was the question? Oh, yeah, when you were 25. Oh, when I was 25. So I was newly married. I got married at 24. I wanted to have a baby.

I didn't know if I wanted it right away, but we were not not trying. It turned out I didn't have one until I was 30. But that was like on my mind. And I worked for a sock company selling men's, men's hosiery. And I was very successful at it. And I built a house in the Poconos. It was my first house we split with Stephen's brother, my husband's brother. And I think it cost like 80.

thousand dollars it was like 40 each and that was so much happen to me it was it was a prefab house it came on two trucks oh yeah and they lifted it and put it together i have to tape and it was like the best day of my life and then a few years later i was doing so well that we wanted to get our own house so we bought a piece of land for $15,000 we hired a builder and we built it from scratch you're such a doer and a creator and i was doing that at 25 and i think like oh my god and i had a car and i would um and stephen and i would drive up to the Poconos every weekend. It was like I was 50 years old. I mean, I was like we went to, back then, they had just opened Woodbury Commons.

It wasn't nearly as big as it is now. And we would stop there. We'd stop at Walmart. When Allie was born, we used to go to Walmart and take the pictures of her and like the pale and with the overalls on. It was so, it was like $4.99. I would say it was very money conscious. I'm less so now, but it's still something I have to stop because I think it comes

from just being insecure growing up about money. So I was talking about that. What's your biggest guilty pleasure that you like to buy? Hmm. Guilty pleasure. Allie's laughing. I like to buy real estate. Oh, yes.

I do. I just bought a house in Florida. Tycoon. I'm selling my other house. Yeah. I do. Bags. What's the good?

What's the bag? Because I'm actually, I'm notoriously cheap. I would you grab it? What are some of the bags that I should like, want to get. But you're going to like this one. Maybe. I don't know. It might be too. Oh my God. It's so cool. I have matching boots. And I was going to wear them, but they didn't go with my blue sweater. What is the? It's Botega. Botega. Yeah, it's sick. And it doesn't say it. By the way, you would never know it's Botega. It doesn't have to say. That's real money when you don't

need to show the brand name. Well, that's the thing. I mean, I'm really a little bit over the brandy brand. And believe me, I'm a brand tour too. But when people who are super, super wealthy, you know they have money. They're on television. Why are you wearing Louis Vuitton from head to toe. It just looks so bad. I'm wearing these. No, no, I'm wearing these. Yes. But I'm talking head to toe. Not every single piece. I don't get it. There is something hot about, I feel like the richest people not flaunting anything and then like occasionally a subtle

hint at something. Yes. Ooh, money talk wealth was wealth whispers. Also, I just feel like You've lived so many lives. Oh, I have. How is this Jill Zarin sitting here with Bossie the Pomeranian next to her? I apologize. I didn't give you a formal intro, Bossie. Thank you for being understanding.

Look how she's smiling at you. She's so cute. But also, how are you different from the Jill Zarin after her first season of her housewess in New York till now? Oh, well, first, let's say after my fourth season. Yeah. First season, I was on a high. I was so happy. Yeah.

I was the Queen Bee because I cast the show. and I was friends with everybody and Bethany was like my best friend and we were like Lucy and Ethel and all those and that was I was so happy and second season I was so happy

and third season couldn't be worse than as happy as I was one and two but I did come back season four and I had really good friendships I made new friends with Cindy Barshop who I'm still friends with today and Kelly Ben Simone and I became much

closer and I had of course Kelly actually was on this pod and so was Luan she was doing she's doing great Kelly yeah kicking it yeah big time she lives around here yes and I love her daughter C I know both her kids

I mean they're just amazing we've done some trips with them they're oh I love them I tried to fix her up once but didn't work out she should have she should have picked him big mistake yeah he's worth about 500 million I'm just saying

it's not all about my Patty Stang and move over. That's so hot. No, but she's doing great. I love Kelly. And I thought I had, honestly, the best season ever, season four. My only little thing was with the Van Campins. And even that wasn't such a big deal.

So I didn't really understand why they fired three people. They cleaned house. What I want to know is if you could ask Andy the next time you interview him, if he could go back to season four of Real Housewives of New York, would he fire as met four? you know, four out of the seven again. And if he wouldn't, who would he have kept?

Okay, so I'm going to go in Zarin Fabrics, get the tea there, then I'm going to bust into Watch Robbins Live and be like, Andy, let's turn the tables because I want to know. How are you different, though, from now till the end of season four? Okay. I actually said this yesterday on something I was doing.

I don't remember what I was doing. I had a lot of things. Oh, in my interviews, I'm on now a new show. show called The Real House Wives, Ultima Girls' Trip, ex-wives, which is coming to Roku, Apple TV, because I just did the commercial on Peacock coming to streaming near you soon. She's still in her makeup from the commercial. I'm still in my makeup from doing it two days ago, and I refuse to take it off until the eyelashes go. When the eyelashes go, then I'll wash my face. Until then, I'm staying just the way.

I'm obsessed with Jill's Aaron. I have the best makeup. So they asked me the same way. What was the question? Yeah. Oh, so the question was right. Not how was I different, but there was a question that I answered that is true, is that I had a lot of anxiety back then. Yeah. A lot. I was very, I didn't even know, if you asked me back then, are you an anxious person? I didn't even know what the word anxious meant. Like, what does that mean? What does anxiety mean? I didn't even understand what that was. I was just me, and that was me. Whatever that was, that's Jill's Aaron. I didn't like that part of me. And I didn't know that that was something I could fix. But I don't remember when it was, but I had a period in my life of depression. It didn't last long, but I was home. Everything's

great. Allie's great. Bobby's great. Money's great. House is great. I mean, not everything's perfect, but parents are great. So why would I wake up in the morning and start crying? Like literally crying. When was this? I don't remember. I don't think it was right after I got fired, but it was definitely like maybe a year later and I don't and it had nothing to do with the show at all um and I called my doctor it happened like three or four days in a row and I called my doctor crying and I said I don't know what's wrong with me I can't stop crying there's nothing wrong alley's great bobby's great my marriage is great and I'm hysterical crying what's wrong with me and she goes you need to go see a psychiatrist like immediately and she got me into a psychiatrist that cost me

$450 by the way that would make me cry she goes so now I'm more depressed That made me cry more. Jeez. And I met with him and he immediately put me on Zoloft. I think it was Zoloft. I'm not sure exactly because I've been on different drugs over the years for it. And, you know, within a few days, I stopped crying, you know. And then, of course, I couldn't cry, you know, if someone died.

You have to manage the dosage, you know. You have to be able to break through a little bit. You don't want to be completely. But also, you went through some trauma in the public. eye and then as the dust settles your body was almost telling you like I need some help because I'm not okay and now you have this great brand with your daughter and your own brand and I'm on medication and you're on medication still on medication and clearly not enough today I was literally off the rails this morning Ali tells me and she's Ali doesn't have those issues she has other things

yeah she's like almost the opposite right Ali's got her own you know things that bother her she's very sensitive to certain things that I don't understand at all. Why are you so sensitive about it? Just like, you know, it's kind of like the crying thing. Not that she cries, but that she would be very sensitive to something that I don't even understand. So we're different. I won't talk about her mental health.

But she'll call me out on it. And not in a bad way, in a loving way. She's like, mom, you're not okay. You're like off your rocker. Yeah. But I also think it's important to understand your mom's mental health, to understand your mental health a little too, even if it's different. Because it's, none of this stuff is genetic.

I'm sorry. Oh, it's okay. I feel so bad when I do that, sir. Oh, no, it's okay. I mean, my mom. I'm sure I scare her. My mom, when we started to understand, like, her anxiety, it helped me so much understand the why things are happening and then understand why I do certain things. How's your relationship with your mom? We're best friends.

Best friends. Always? Did you give her a hard time? I was a people pleaser, and we were always more best friends than, like, mother-daughter. But I always wanted to do really well for her. I always looked up to her. She was a principal of a middle school in Brooklyn. Really?

Yeah, and just very smart and just she's like my idol. But we do life together. Isn't that great? Yeah, and that's why I think I love you guys. Yeah, they're in Shelter Island. That's where they live full time? Yeah, she just retired. They were like close to the beach, close to the beach.

Oh, they're in the water. There's the highway, you know, anyway. So, but yeah, the relationship you guys have is really. beautiful brothers and sisters i have a younger brother close yeah well he actually just moved to indiana though he got he just got married oh mausle's up yeah muscle's off so we're we're happy for him and i'm getting married and we have a plan west hampton in may you're getting married this may yeah we might have to make you masks if you need them a thousand percent may need them i mean not that you want them i made him for cynthia bellies wedding oh yeah we engraved all her um well not engraved

what's the word embroidered all her masks for her wedding but overall you have to have it it's a It's a, you know, it's part of life. It's important. But I also think that the fact that you're even open enough to have the relationship or she can call you out on something or you can question her is important and beautiful. It is. But you know what? Not to get into therapy, but, you know, if I was in therapy with therapist, I would say,

but Allie's very passive aggressive with me. And I don't know how to handle that. I don't know how to handle it. I still don't know how to handle it. As in, you don't know if you should smack her? You know, it's like I take it. I take it, I take it. And then it's like one more.

And then I overreact, you know, and then it's like, and then you're the villain. Right? The citizen. What I do? I'm saying it. I'm like, no, it's your tone. She's like, I don't know anything.

I don't always have that. But I would say overall, we have an incredible enviable. And also you guys are freaking working in a business together. How lucky am I get to be with my daughter all the time? But like, she knows when to like break. We also were in Florida during COVID. And we have a place in Miami and Ali would be like, listen, I'm going. going to Miami for four days.

Please don't call me. Yeah. You have to take those breaks. But then the next day when I don't call her, or the next day when I don't call her, she calls me and she was like, why haven't you called me? I'm like, you told me to leave you alone. Yeah, but I need to know. Yeah, but on the light of your life, how can you go without me?

Right. So I never know. It's like, for me, it's always kind of a balancing with Allie because I want to be respectful of her space. Yeah. But I'm still her mother. And that goes back to I want to be her mother more than I want to be your partner. Yeah.

And I'm an only child. Yes. It's a little different. Yes. And, you know, of course I wanted to get married and have a family and be happy mentally and all those things. And I don't want, you know, fame or anything to interfere. And that's always been the thing with having a child on television. It wasn't her free will to do this.

So at 14, I had to make a decision for her and was it ever the right decision. I will say that she was on the show the most, the first season, because I didn't know better. Yeah. And so when I did know better, I did better. You protected all that. show more yeah yeah i ali was never in for in on the show for drama no she was part of a group a dinner a finale um we didn't make any storylines around her life until season four going to sarah lawrence uh that sex talk we had about her wanting to be a sex therapist i think she did that just to

fuck with me i don't think anyone really remembers that scene but they they remember ali with a lot of love i always get a lot of shit for the um for the health place i took her two when she was 14 episode one I got accused of sending her to a fat camp and all this other stuff and listen if she lost 10 pounds after 10 days I'm not going to say go back and eat her

milkshake but it was really she had arthritis and I wanted her to get a lot of the shit out of her body to help her feel better and she still suffers with arthritis it's so easy to tear apart any parenting decision and at the time you guys were just being vulnerable and showing your life

yeah and listen you got to go on a private plane I mean it wasn't the worst I lost him now Why am I the villain So you're about to go on Are you already filmed The done and done The ultimate girls trip

Where are your anxiety levels right now Going back into the public eye in this way? Excited A zero anxiety Did you Listen I've never let I'm probably And I'm not tuning my own horn

Yeah I think that I've done the best job out of any Housewives that have been let go so many years ago, remember, I was on from 2006 to 10 or 7 to 11th. I feel like you're still on the show in the way that I like look at the media. Well, the reruns help.

I mean, I never want, it's funny because I never want the show to get canceled because every time it comes on, they rerun the whole season and it puts me back on air. I'm not stupid to know that it helps my brand, you know, and I'll do anything that'll help my brand. And I think our brand helped. people. Masks helped people. We do a lot of charity. We sent, we sent a free mask for, and we still do masks every day, because I could see it in Shopify, every sale. So when I have a sale with zero

dollars, I know that's us shipping out. And by the way, please tell your listeners for anyone who's, you know, and it's an honor system, right? We don't ask for ID. So anyone who's a frontline worker, a teacher, anybody who is vulnerable to getting COVID and wants masks from Jill and Allie, just send us an email, go on our Instagram, and we are happy to send it to you out. You'll get it within a week. Oh, yeah. Use burn 15 for a code if you'd like to buy it to support our mission of giving masks because we do it, buy one, get one free.

And our prices are, you know, incredibly affordable. And they're incredibly great quality. I've had mine for two years. And they protected you. Did you get COVID? Not during wearing the mask. It was when I started going on tour. Did you get COVID?

But for the first year and a half, I didn't. I was like really, really safe. And then I tried to work and make some money. But going into this season, are you going into it differently than filming how you used to film Roney? Do you have a different strategy at all? You know, okay, I was scared shit. Yeah. Going into, I thought you meant now.

I thought you meant like, how do you feel now? No, no. Well, now. You're filming that week. I was scared shit. And. You're like, am I rusty? You know, you want to have those one-liners.

You want to do all that. But the truth is, all that falls out the window when you get there. Because you're just like, you're like, I'm not going to snap two minutes in. You're like, what's the good thing, right? I love doing a show like this when there's a beginning and end. Like four months where every day you don't know, you're falling out with something. And the show is against human nature. The show is reading people's minds, you know, actually listening to people's thoughts because those interviews are your thoughts.

They're asking you, what do you think about? this what do you think about her those are things are private to your own brain and now i'm sharing that and that's going to be a national tv and this person's going to fucking hate me but i will say that um i ran into derinda yesterday when i was doing the other day when i was doing my we love and she said to me because she knows me right she knows me the best out of the whole group yeah because you know i didn't know anybody um i knew brandy and she says to me jill i know you're nervous don't be nervous say whatever you want so they'll be mad at you it'll go away who gives the shit we're all here to do a show it's all good don't worry about it just be honest just

tell the truth and I'm like do you really want me to tell the truth you too yeah well she's like yeah no holes of bar so you know and then you just hope that they don't go below the belt because I won't go below the bell that's the thing sensitive I got to tell you Hannah I'm probably the best not I shouldn't watch the show I really shouldn't to be honest yeah it's if you don't watch the show it's much safer but then you don't know what to say when people are interviewing you because you don't know what they showed and you say I honestly didn't watch the show because it scares me I heard that Teresa doesn't watch it and it's probably how she's survived well never watched it or it doesn't watch her seasons she doesn't watch her seasons really it's the best way to live honestly I mean I would say this to people but they never listen when people start on the show and if they reach out to me and they want, you know, what's your advice? Yeah, my advice is don't read Twitter, don't read Instagram. Yep. And, of course, the first thing they do is open and it, no, I say don't start Twitter.

Don't do it after, but don't do it while it's airing, you know, just live your life. No, that's really good advice. Don't listen. And then they get, but I have to say, we were so much more hurt than you guys ever were. You have to understand there were no controls of Twitter. There was no blocking. Nothing. Nothing.

I didn't even think about that. There was an I hate jillsarren.com website that never got taken down. How did you cope with that? Do you know what they did to my book? We wrote a book Secrets of a Jewish Mother. Not for that bad third season. I probably would have been a bestseller. I mean, we sold about 50,000 copies.

I mean, it was still, I think, considered bestseller number, but not all at once. And the reason I say that is, I think the Bible has something like a couple of thousand comments on the Bible. We're not the the Bible. The Bible. Capital B, Jill Zarin's Secret of a Jewish Mother had over 3,500 reviews. Wow. I hadn't even sold 3,500 books yet when those reviews went up because Amazon didn't have any filter at all. Of who was buying?

They didn't. Okay, so now, in order to leave a review on anything, Wayfair, Amazon, you have to have bought it. You have to be a verified purchaser. They will not, Amazon will not allow a review of anything. Can you imagine back in the day, if I hated you. and you had a line of candles, I could go on and write a thousand reviews saying I bought it, it stinks, it breaks,

that's what people do to my podcast. They'll watch this summer house disagree with a fight and then give me one stars on the podcast and I'm like, this is me pouring my heart and soul into like talking about mental health and making people laugh. But it's part of what we have to deal with. It was terrible, though.

I mean, I have to tell you, I got hit so hard with hate. We've both had a bad season. Have you, how have you like, Let me ask you a question, though. Did you have to write blogs on bravoTV.com? No. Okay.

So back in the day, we were required, when it's in the beginning, the first season or two, there weren't our blogs. Then they started this thing called blogs. And they would send us the episode like five days before, and we had to give them before the show aired our blog. Now, a lot of the girls paid people to do it. They literally did. They should let somebody else watch it and write, whatever.

But it doesn't matter because you're watching hateful things that are said about you in the show, and then you're defending yourself. I did it. So you put up a blog, and then the girls hate you for what you write in the blog, and now you're fighting with the girls,

not just about the show. Now you're fighting about the blogs, but the worst part was Bravo allowed comments on the blog. So now I have my blog, and I'll have 500 comments of people who are just, they're not even real people. Like, you know, those are the people who don't really, I don't want to say they don't matter.

Of course they matter, they matter. But I shouldn't be able to see that stuff. And by the way, now, not only can you not see it. So there was a few seasons where Bravo stopped the blogs having comments. There's no more blogs. Bravo realized they're only damaging their own talent. Yeah. Because they're putting them in harm's way in front of these people to be attacked.

And a lot of the time, you guys are fighting about things that people don't even know. And it gets so messy and convoluted that, and then you're just being defensive. You don't even know what you're defending by the end of it. And there's a lot of stuff happening behind the seats. That's kind of it. And back then, you couldn't break the fourth. Now that's a whole new thing Now when you watch a housewife show

And it was only recently Where you'll see a camera Following a cast member saying Bravo Bravo Bravo fucking Bravo right Well we used to do that Because that meant they can't use it Well one day Bravo decided Hey you know what

Fuck it we're gonna use it Or when they want to Well when they want to But now like everything you film Even if they have the cameras down You know when they heard things It used to be if the camera isn't on you they're not listening.

Oh. Until the Luan season when she found out her friend was talking shit about her in the bathroom and there was no camera just a hot mic.

You know the word hot mic. Oh, yes. So things have changed over the years that it makes it much easier to be on a cast. When I was on, it was really cool.

I love that you opened up about that because times have really changed and I always thought about... More protection. Yes. Much more protection for you and you think it's terrible.

You should see what it was like. Can you imagine having to read all that? And you couldn't help yourself. oh come on oh yeah because what you had to read it you had to and it's your ego that you're trying to like save and protect oh and i called amazon i'm like listen there's 3500 comments on jill zan i secrets of a jewish mother why don't you look up how many books i sold the bible doesn't have as many comments how do you deal with and they weren't by the way they weren't refused

about my book no she's a bad person or whatever it was right it was all about the show i said this is not a form for the show yeah this is a book review how do you cope with feeling like some people misunderstand you based on the show. Yeah, I mean, that hopefully is the history that I am now. Like the whole, you know, being on your show, being on other shows, I should have a podcast. I should have a, you know, YouTube shows that people can really see me. But I feel like Instagram stories is good enough. Like, if you want to know how I am, you can check in on Instagram.

Well, I also feel like the people who want to understand you will and the people who don't, like, they don't want to understand you. and if you spend your whole life fighting to be seen by these people. No, I just go towards the light, you know? Oh, hell, yes. Go towards the light. It's funny because this is a mental health podcast about demons, and you were the one that brought up the anxiety.

You brought up suppression. I didn't even know that. I thought this is your podcast. I didn't know it had a topic. Oh, I mean, you nailed it. You did it yourself. Did I really? We're going to...

I'm so good. She's crushing hell. We're going to end with a final game. It's called... Oh, I love a game. It's really just me asking questions, but when I called a game, it sounds more fun. I made me know how badly want to come

back, sit with me? Oh, yeah, Allie, come for this one. It'll be fun. Because tell me if she, if she has trouble answering one. Okay, it's time to play The Seven Deadly Sins. Seven Deadly Sins. What are you greedy about? Love. Oh, I love that. Love from what? Gary, Allie, my parents, bossy. Yeah, can't get enough. Who were you envious of? Julia Hart, as of today. We had dinner at her house last night.

The sickest department. I'm only sharing that because she has a reality show. Otherwise, I would never betray. She shows her closet. She has a custom closet that not only has like the rack from the dry cleaner. She has it on two levels because she's short. So hers has, she patented it. It's electric.

It comes out and drops down. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. She is the fucking queen. And I bow to her. That's incredible. What are you gluttonous about? What are you over-indulgent?

Oh, Pinkberry and Diet Coke. That's so easy. That's hilarious. Pinkberry and Diet Coke is a real addiction. I thought this was water. No. She's definitely. And Y-O-Bid.

I'm so pink berry, what's your, what's your cocktail? It's hazelnut with, they have a Nutella with, like, Nestle's crunching it. Yes. And I put that on the pink berry, and I eat it every day. That's incredible. For breakfast, for dessert? No, usually after dinner. I love that for much.

Have you ever had pinkberry? Have you ever had chocolate as in a pink room? I love pink berry. I like the original flavor too, like the tart. I only like the chocolate. And it is so expensive. We'll fight about that later. No idea.

I just ordered two takehomes, okay? Oh, yeah. She's seamless. That's naughty. And the Nutella with the chocolate crunch and they charge $7 extra for it. Oh, it's worth it. With everything, shipping and everything, $53 for two take homes.

right my fiance and I get naughty some nights and we're like do you want to get Froyo and it's like $70 I know it's worth it It's worth it But actually we make swag You would love this we should avoid it

We have all this reality shows swag now That we sell on jill sarin's dot com And we've got Where's my Diet Coke sweatshirt And we just made Where's my Diet Coke this but hasn't come in yet It's perfect It's all she drinks It's all it does is a dick

And then we have like What is it? I want to be a reality star future reality star sweatshirt pants and then we have scary island the episode three with the apple engraved you know like an what do they call it embroidery an apple embroidered on the sleeve alley would you go on reality tv i would have said no a few years ago because i was focused in like my career and kind of making a name for myself but i feel like now it is who we are and it's an influencer world i mean the more press you get the better it's kind of like too late like i already was on TV. I couldn't get any worse now. I did a millionaire matchmaker.

I'd like, you guys have done so many. Yeah, at this point, it's like, was besides Bravo, what was your favorite offshoot show that you? Well, I want to do family feud. Oh, I love family. I want to do family food. He had bigger family. You can come come home. Oh, my God. If you ever get asked, we could do it together. Oh my God. That would be good. Would you do like a celebrity big brother or like that kind of stuff? I would love that. I told you I love camp. You love what? Like I love, oh, I didn't. I didn't tell you this. I told someone else.

I love... I was like, oh, shoot, I missed that. No, it had to do with the show that we just did up at Derinda's house. You know what I mean? Like, I love doing that show because it was seven girls together.

Like, you know, Kumbaya. Like, I love that. It's like a camp. I do. I love that. So Celebrity Big Brother, I'd be like, oh, I have 30 new friends

until they all hate on me and fire me. And then I start to cry. Well, it's so funny because you get this incredible bond with these people. No, I haven't. But I'm saying,

even summer, I get this incredible bond with these people. But then because it's so close and so intense, it also can break so fast. Who gets the best room in the house? The married, the engaged couple would get it, but we'd like fight for it every season. But like the engage, because I was like, oh, me and Paige, we have like hair and clothes. Yeah. Because they got it like four seasons in a row, but we didn't get it.

And then what are the, all the other room's equal? No, they have a different house each year. I heard the house they rented this year was three houses away from my old house. Oh, my God. And it was a crazy house. they got in so much trouble. They kept adding on and adding on, and they added on this portion.

The thing in the, you know, it's like a driveway that they add. Covered driveway. I don't know what they call a porchette or something. Yeah. To the front of the house, but they didn't have a permit. And they built it anyway.

And I heard that no one can ever sell that house because they'll never get permitted, you know, a C of O to sell it. And then I heard they rented it. It was like, I went for the finale party this summer. Oh, cool. What do you think of her on Summer House?

You think she'd be good or no way? I think, I think they need they could use someone like her because there's not someone like her on the show right now as in like you seem a little down to earth

I don't know if that's exciting enough they need the but maybe it could be a little bounce Sierra is pretty down to earth too though Sierra I mean she'll get excited and stuff but like she's very grounded and like Ali would be great because she's passive aggressive

I like it because I just love a tough girl on TV and I think they always use a Scorpio it just says oh wow I love Scorpio's. Page is a Scorpio and Dez is a Scorpio. And I'm a Scorpio Rising, no big deal.

What's your birthday? August 12th, I'm a Leo. Oh, Leo the Lion. I'm November 30th. I'm a sad. And I'm all sadge. Like, all housewives are sad. Like, Dorinda's a sad.

Ramona's a sad. Sonny's a Samarhouse was all Leo's. And it was just a lion's den. Huh. Yeah. Oh, that's a good say. It was wild. It was we called it the Lion's Den.

I think Alice should audition. I mean, I know if they do. I know some people. When was the last, you're trying to distract me from the game. Go ahead. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger? Four hours ago. We had a fight this morning.

Oh, pretty much. Oh, yeah. What was it about? Business. Business, me not focusing. Allie wanted me to sit and do what she wanted me to do. And I had all these fires I'm putting out, including, you know, just everything. I feel like there's a good balance, though, that she'll call you out.

Oh, yes. Because no one else really can. Yeah. They're scared of her. She says they're scared of me. I'm like, why are they scared of her? me. She doesn't see it. I don't see it at all. I'm such a marshmallow. When was the last time, ooh, I'm interested. When was the last time you were a sloth or like lazy, didn't do anything

all day? As often as possible. Really? Yes. Right now, all I want to do is lay in bed and watch Succession. I have like six more episodes. I finished out. Oh, yeah, Yellowstone. I did. Oh, so you love quality television. When do you wake up in the morning? 7.30. Between 7 to 7.30 is my natural rhythm. And I would be. sleeping by 10. I also have to ask you, your skin looks amazing. You look really, really beautiful. Thank you. What are some of your like tips of just staying looking like you do? I'm actually testing doing products. So I've been testing them. We'll see. We'll see. I think they're working. Because I just one CPD's one. Your face moves. You look like yourself. Oh yeah, it does.

You look great. Someone told me yesterday my father's moving. I was like though. That's a problem. No, but it's good. It's like you. No, no, I want to be natural. I want to be my age. I mean, I want to look good for my age. I don't want to age badly, but if I'm aging well, I don't see any reason. Sometimes, like, I get very distracted by, like, the over plastic surgery where I don't even see the person's face. I just, like, see the lips or, like, I see nothing done too much. You look great. Just Pat Wexler.

I mean, you're lucky. You got the blue eyes. I don't, I mean. Not from her. Not from her. That's a, you should do a podcast with Allie. She's got a story to tell. Anytime.

So many stories. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. They didn't get it on the Real Housewives. And, you know, it's funny. I had called Andy and I told him when it all happened and I and I said, you know, maybe we want to do something and he was like not interested at the time. I don't know. How are you and Andy?

Great. That makes me happy. I wouldn't be on the show without him. Yeah. I mean, he called me and said, I've been looking for something for you for a long time. I think I found it. You told me what it was and he said, I'm the first one he's asking. Am I in?

That makes me so happy because I feel like. And how about this? This is so sucked. I got invited to be one of the doorbells for Christmas. And I got canceled two days because Andy got COVID. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. There were so many random gigs that got canceled because of COVID.

Everything. But there is something right about, like, you did your thing. You focused on yourself. You didn't, like, try to burn too many bridges. And it says a lot that over so many years, Andy and you still have this nice relationship. It took a while for us to get back. There was some troublemakers in there who tried to really cause problems for us. Oh, of course.

And it worked. I mean, they did. They caused problems. But, you know, time heals has a way. of healing all wounds. It really does. I will say, though, for some juice, there was a kids watch What Happens Live episode. Do you remember that? No.

It's like, watch it happens live with, like, six or eight of the kids. I'm dying of thirst. I'm a microphone. I'm dying. She doesn't have water. Dying. I hate water, but it's okay. I hate water, too. I need a drink. Anyway, watch it happens live episode with the kids, at the best of whatever, and she called

Andy, like a passive-aggressive thing. Like, why didn't you invite Ali? It wasn't passive-aggressive. It was aggressive. It wasn't aggressive. It was quite like feeling left out. We know that about her. Well, I felt like Allie was an OG.

But the excuse was that it was all kids who were still on the show. Yeah. Oh, geez, but Brooks Marx is on it. Right. So it was a bit confusing. You know, they always have, you know, everyone makes up their own roles. It's all this, except that person can come on too, you know. But I didn't care.

I cared. And I was on it so long ago. Like, it didn't matter. And I just got hurt recently, but I didn't call him. Gary said, do not call. Do not call. He did a show on the best Not the best

He said like the most Whatever mothers Of the real houses of New York And he did like a countdown And five Marisol's mother Which I totally get was number one But they didn't include Gloria

And I was like Gloria There's so many moms though I know Well there weren't that many Yeah but they're not all on the show And there's so many politics involved In those things

You don't know who would intern put it together Yes and no no But Andy Andy had his hand on that But that's okay Listen you know what I'm not at top of mind that I'm not on the show anymore and every other mother was on the show yeah so I got that it's like

you learn to pick your battle you know where the first one started with me and him where I was upset it goes so far back he put a picture of jiggy next to him and watch what happens live stage and he didn't put ginger and I was so upset and that's why we got a pomeranian to compete with no that's not true and jiggie a little bit no it's not true passed away rest and peace I know rest in peace. But I do have to say, bossy has been sitting here the whole time and... Oh, it's only one boss. She is incredible. He likes bossy. He's met bossy. He likes bossy.

But, you know, I was hurt for Ginger. I thought it was, you know, very hurtful to my dog. You know, because I don't fuck with her family. No, because Ginger was the first dog and Lisa Van der Pum came, you know, many seasons, you know, many years later. Not many, many, but a couple years later,

why did Jiggy get up there? What about, you know, poor Jig? Didn't sure. Now, now I'm upset. Last one. Who was your celebrity crush? Like, when was the last time you lusted over something? Well, you know, I don't really lost it. But I mean, I used to say, but it's not on anymore. Liv Shriver. And it wasn't him. He has a movie coming out. Does he? No, no, but it was his role. I loved him as Roy Donovan. Yeah, Donovan. Ray Donovan. The movie is coming out. Oh, my God. I'm totally watching. He's hot. You know, I kind of love, I don't know if I love, but I loved Yellowstone. I want to be Beth the bitch.

but I'm not, but I want to be. You like Kevin Kossner? What's his name? I like Kevin, but what was, Whip? Wip was like, not Kevin Kossner? I love what she goes, I don't really like it in a way, but I do like that. Kevin Kossner, just, I don't even know if you know this, was at my house in the Hamptons. Really?

Yep. He was dating a girl who was there as a guest. It was like a friend of a friend who was a guest, and she told me, I'm Kevin Kossner, and that's why everybody loves him. That's what I'm just saying. Okay. That's what I heard. I think he's hot.

He's a zaddy. I'm into him. He is hot. Final, final question of the whole pod. I feel like you can go forever. Me too. So we're trouble together. You're going to have to make this two hours.

This is a two-parter. What advice would you give to people who are going through hell? What do you do to cope when you're going through a dark time? Got to speak to your people. You got to talk to your mentors. The people will love you. Stay close.

You got to be with people who keep telling you how amazing you are how it's not your fault you know whatever the issue is that you're the everyone else is asshole everyone else is assholes it's not you you know just because 12 people found you guilty i'm telling you it wasn't you i know it wasn't you just because your fingerprints are everywhere you're a good person you're a good person um yeah you got to go to the person who when you you know when 12 people find you guilty who says no you're not and we love you anyway those are the people you have to have around you oh keep it's there and this was such an honor you are such an icon in so many ways and i hope you know that every time you go to sleep at night

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