Berner Phone - Michaela Okland: She Rates Dogs & Does It Well

Episode Date: January 7, 2021

She exposed Chris D'Elia's messages with underage girls and has called out countless men for inappropriate social media behavior on her account @SheRatesDogs. Her favorite things are nice guys and reminding people that "girls fuck."--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you thought of a boob job? I've thought about it, because veneers are fucking expensive. I could have done like two boob jobs for that. You could have had four boobs. You could have had udders. Like I could have. Welcome to Burning in Hell. What's up, guys?

We're in another episode of Burning in Hell. I just got in Viseline. so I'm having trouble talking sometimes, but I am here because that's what happens in hell. You're going to Invisaline and you have to work through it because you want straight teeth. Anyway, we have some exciting stuff going on Giggly Squad drop merch. My Nana was on the podcast. She's on cameo. Shit is going crazy.

Also, we have a Patreon to listen to extra shit. And Burning in Hell has merch too at hannah burner.com. But today we have an amazing, amazing guest. I never do promos in the beginning, so I was just going to try it out today. It felt a little weird, but we did it. We are with the founder of she rates dogs. And no, it's not a site that rates golden doodles. I know a lot of you wanted that, but it's not.

It actually exposes men online. The dogs are your exes. It's a little tagline. We have Michaela Oakland. Thank you so much for coming to hell, honey. I'm so excited. I need to delve into this. The first time I heard of you was because you were a big.

part of the Chris Dahlia scandal. Yeah, I always forget about these things. I mean, that was like, that was the first time I saw your Twitter and you were kind of, I mean, how would you explain that day? Because it really was like a small moment in time. It happened so fast. So it was weird because I saw a tweet like mentioning the original tweet. It had like 400 likes and it was from Simone explaining her experience like she was in high school she had her high school in her bio she had clearly like prom picks and all that and he had been DMing her and when I read that I was like I've gotten a DM about him before and I've sort of just been holding on to it in case there was ever a thing because it wasn't really enough to like start a thread but I basically posted that one with the one that I got as well and within

like 10 minutes I had like hundreds of girls in my DMs giving me stories with him It was the most shocking thing. I don't think that there's possibly anyone else out there that could have so many people have an experience with him. Like, I would have been shocked with like 20, but hundreds. You know what I mean? So I started kind of a running thread about it, was linking in other people who were posting it.

I mean, I remember refreshing and like you just had more and more like every five seconds. Right. And then I just started to think, well, then a lot of these are saying the same thing I'll probably just only start adding ones that maybe are a little bit different and then I would privately send some more to I guess like reporters with like the stuff blocked out but yeah that was that was crazy it went well except for then he made that article about the original poster and basically confirmed it was his email which is what his supporters were trying to say wasn't the case and in an attempt to be like she emailed me again when she turned 18 and I didn't reply is basically what he proved with his screenshot editions yeah that was so you have over 500,000 followers on that Twitter your own individual one has like a shit ton also you have a lot of power and so with great power comes great responsibility and pressure like when did you realize that you could like affect lives first of all yeah I do realize

that and I don't like it. I take out all of the details of any guy that I post because not just because I'm like specifically trying to protect them but I don't want to wake up and cancel five people a day or also especially on Tinder people can use whoever's photos and I like would never want to make some mistake of like posting something someone said and it was actually just like this innocent dude so I don't want to use that power often I guess the first time was either there was like this had a file high school teacher that I got removed or there was like a bachelorette contestant that got removed when I was reposting their creepy DMs that was like a year a half ago and then there was a professor at a university I think this one's the one that like fully blew up who had all of these

like racist homophobic sexist articles and he would always be like reposting the tweets and he also told his class people class people I don't fucking know I've been in college for like one year year and he would like tell them to follow his Twitter and they're looking at this stuff like what the fuck um so i was just posting imagine being a professor being like and follow me at being burns yeah use my code well a lot of them do that because they're trying to um i guess be modern and be like we're going to use Twitter now it's such a great tool but it's it's a thin line between professional and a shit show and Twitter's a scary place like you know LinkedIn in is for professionals like Instagram is for like fake butts and then Twitter is for the mentally ill

and it's just like everyone throwing shit at the walls and like you're stuck inside it's so bad no it's so not good for my health like but I do you also wrote only submit your own stories has there been times that people are like like why did you say that on your bio the purpose of she rates dogs isn't really to be just like a meme page that finds like funny random stories. I also, since there are so many followers, like I don't want to be blasting someone's personal experience if they're not okay with it. I started as a Twitter comedian and my tweets would end up on pages like, fuck Jerry that I didn't want to be associated with. And I don't want that to happen to someone else because she writes dogs is a pretty

strong stance on things. And if people don't want to be a part of that narrative, like that's their prerogative. Oh no, that makes sense. I'm like understanding the Twitter sphere. And you're also great friends with ellie schnett who is a big big great friend of the pod we love ellie and you guys are just artists with your words and i love it i think that you're a great guest for burning in hell because burning in hell always teeters the line between like comedy and darkness and she rates dogs has a lot of funny stuff of what like guys will say to you online like i used to i love blowing up guys spots who would say something in my dms though it was kind of stupid it was fun it was and nothing was like it was some stuff would be creepy but it was just like look at this fucking idiot but then you also

really are like a journalist and sometimes reveal like fucked up shit yeah and i looked at your website and you basically like are like we're joking about our exes we're laughing about our past shitty experiences in the dating world but then you also say in a more serious note countless women are caught in the cycle of abuse distorted sense of self PSD mental illnesses with abusive partners and, you know, talk about sexual violence. So how do you kind of teeter that line and what made you passionate about this? Right. So the Sheerates Dog submissions are honestly a lot darker than the posts.

So the things that I get because people, you know, they often don't feel safe and this feels like the place to go. And that's sort of where they might tell me things that are going on in their life that they're not even telling to their friends. So I actually started working with Rain, which is the like center for sexual abuse and they sent me some prompts to send. But I also wanted to put it in my bio because we're like, we're having a fun time, but also the stuff I'm posting is not okay, especially if this is someone you're still with. And I found a lot of the time that the comment section of she rates dogs has been the most helpful to people in those specific situations because they're seeing other people be like, that's not okay. and like they're kind of gaining their proof because when you're with an abusive partner they kind of cut you off from the rest of the world and like all you're hearing is what they're telling you so if you're seeing this post on Twitter which like you might still be on Twitter and

all the comments like that is so not okay that's so unhealthy like no one should be treated like that like a lot of the time that's where I've found at least with people messaging me that that's kind of like a wake-up call that's so beautiful I love that so much because I've been a victim of sexual assault. I've been a victim of emotional abuse and relationships. And it took other people finally hearing my experience to be like, you need to get out or like that's not okay. So what you're doing is like there's such a beautiful aspect of it. Have you on your own experience any form of abuse? Yeah, I say that, well, like in college, I definitely experienced like, college was a scary place. college was terrifying in terms of just like there's such there's not a fine line but everyone in

college thinks there's this fine line between like what's it when it's okay to have sex with someone but yes college wasn't great and then I had this four year relationship with a guy who cheated on me and then he would lie about anything until I found proof so like I found 5% battery usage Tinder this week on his phone and he convinced me it was a glitch like I was so stupid and i was so like i've been stupid you just don't want to believe it so you're like give me a decent lie okay fine yeah i also like i went to arizona state university and i did bottle service so i wasn't around like the best people god oh my god oh my god where are you from originally um i mostly grew up in colorado okay so for people who don't know as u is one of the top party schools

and it's like a lot of just like really hot tan blondes or girls who were like from the Midwest who like fake tan and go fake blonde and become hot. I can't tell you how much I had to up my game when I went to college. Because I went to University of Wisconsin and the joke. Oh, that's where my parents went. Oh my God, go badgers. And a lot of people would transfer from Madison when they were like, you know, it's too cold here. Because Madison is a huge party school.

But it's like if you love partying, but you want it more. heat they would transfer to Arizona State but they'd have to go blonde and like fix their shit stop eating so much cheese because you're in bikinis all the time Wisconsin we just like wear jackets and just like oh my god drink so many pool parties like so many pool parties and it's not fair but it did like force me a little bit to be more aware because I remember when I was in high school in Colorado would be like okay I've got like seven months that we're not going to be seen in anything and then I might go to the pool a few times but I has you they're all about it the whole school goes to cabo for spring break like it's just the it's yeah it's hot

girl summer all the time so did you grow up around men or boys in your life who were dogs i'd say probably i feel like the power dynamic in general when i was in high school and middle school it was all about like who the boys thought were cool or like who the guys thought were funny what they thought was funny what they thought was interesting. And I tried so hard to be funny when I was younger because no one really liked me that much. And I feel like I would always trace it back to like, okay, those girls are cool because they hang out with the guys who play this sport. And you know what I mean? It's funny because I felt like the cool girls were always the ones who were just like super disinterested in everything where like I was like the loud, goofy one, like interested in people.

trying to like make friends but like I could never hit the like that cool girl I don't care I'm above all this status but like when you did hang out with some of the cool girls I'm sorry for the cool girls who were listening sometimes you're like this is fucking boring but it's like sometimes it's lonely at the top but I would go to youth group despite not being religious because the cool girls at my school were Christians it's so funny how the cool girls like are different in different places but it's also it wasn't the cheerleaders like yeah ours the cheerleaders were losers but like the dance team was like like sexy so weird and a lot of it is just based on who gets boobs first and whose family has money fuck i never thought of it's so true like it's literally true like i didn't

get boobs until i was 19 but like that's why i think i established a personality too because i was like i was enjoying myself um but yeah these girls they'd have boobs like 15 and then they would have like these big parties but their parents because their parents are gone traveling to like the south of france sorry for making this about me and my dark ship you were saying yet it was based on like at the end of the day who the boys chose were good enough or hot enough i remember just hearing guys talk like that girl's hot or that girl's not like hot or not all the time that that was a mark suckerberg app right yeah i think it was fucking mark fucking dweeb punch that guy in the fucking face push him in a locker fucking loser so what have you learned about men i know that you're 23

but you've had a lot of experiences and you've seen a lot of shit a lot of shit what have you learned about men through running this app bottle service at as you just a girl going through high school what is your opinion on men i know i'm i'm mass stereotyping but it's my favorite thing to do yeah i would say overall that I think it's just because they have so much more freedom and like ability to do whatever they want and they didn't totally have to like sacrifice things along the way. But I always thought men were just as crazy as girls and then like making she rates dogs was kind of to prove that. Yes.

Because I remember when I was in college there would always be these guys like man this chick is so crazy telling all these stories about their ex-girlfriends. But when you talk to the girl and what actually happened, he was totally crazy and she just wouldn't talk about it to everybody the way he would. Well, the whole joke is when you meet a fuck boy and he says his ex is crazy. It's like, yeah, what did you do to drive her crazy? The main thing with she reads dogs is that girls aren't really shocked by it. It's more or so the guys who will read it and be like, this is depressing. I had no idea that this is how guys were. And I'm like, you probably did. You just didn't care. And also like, it's not depressing for girls because we've been living it and we know that it's the truth i also have a theory that

there really are two types of guys like there are the guys who are empathetic and are understanding and know their power and don't abuse their power and then the men who don't give a shit and i don't know if it's how they're raised or just their genetics but like some men are monsters and some aren't and i guess that like women you could say it's similar except we don't have the power to like i mean women a hundred percent can be emotionally abusive but like with the men it could get like a little more grotesque sexually maybe and I think the gender norms that we're supposed to fit into kind of already create that outline of men having the more dominant role men are the hunters and women are the caretakers but like yeah men really go too far but I love that your sight not only helps women realize oh I might be in a bad situation but it also helps

men realize holy fuck like women aren't making this up or like any men who are listening just tell your friend that's not cool like it actually can help and i'd say like since leaving college i'm a little bit less in it like i don't feel like i'm constantly seeing guys being shitty or like weird to girls i don't it was so it's so prevalent there i think well i think it's just easier to see because you're just surrounded by tons of people your own age drinking partying but you're right this thin line of like when people are drunk if a person wants to have sex with you like and it's hard because college is just a shit show of experimenting with sex experimenting with alcohol experimenting with your identity experimenting with your like intellectualness if you learned

at all in college absolutely i put that at the end absolutely i'm like that's what you're supposed to do right you're like i'll throw this in there it's going to be wrong but it's six shows i try also you have amazing merch at she rates dogs.com and you have a shirt that says girls fuck what do you mean by that and why it's also yeah that's tattooed on my foot um so it's basically it's a lot of the things i say are a choose your own adventure like that's what my tweets are a lot of the time like you could take it as me being nice or sarcastic i don't care like whatever makes you happier today um but girls fuck is mainly it's about sex but it's also not about sex it's just like this fucks like this is like hard oh yeah using using more like aggressive verbs to describe women

I guess I fucking love that and I remember actually was in college when my friend told me for the first time that she fucked a dude like she was like yeah I fucked him and I was like my yeah because we don't say it that way girls get fucked like brain explosion emoji happened and I was like that's what I do like I fuck and there was like an real empowering moment there so when I saw that shirt, I was like, I like that. I just wonder why. I wanted to make that shirt before I even made the account. And then I made the account. And I was like, this is perfect. Perfect timing. So how is this all affected your dating life? Well, I'm in a relationship right now, but I would say in general, it just makes me talk to guys less. Like in 20, in 2019, I didn't even kiss a boy. I just like closed up.

no i just i like long distance a lot because i don't have to see people for a while and i can tell that they really value me by the time i meet them and it's a whole like mind thing that i have going on wait so was this guy like an internet friend but then you met yeah i guess you yeah i met him on the internet i mean that's i mean everyone on the internet we kind of met on the internet so wait can you tell me a love story we started talking in 2018 via twitter and he asked me for advice about a therapy app that I was posting. So this was actually before I made She Rates Dogs. But we both lived in completely different states and we both live in L.A. now. So we had this like trial run type thing in 2018 where we saw each other and like we were exclusive but

it just wasn't great timing. And then we both moved to L.A. and this year just started making it work. How long did you go before you saw each other? Probably like a month because we both went out to L.A. my parents lived in Santa Clarita so like an hour or not 30 minutes from there and he just went out for some acting stuff and yeah so it was good were you afraid that like after putting a month into it that like when you met him he might it might not feel the same than like the virtual energy I think my fears were more just like super nervous in general about like my head like how I was going to come across. I had a really fun time when I actually did hang out with him and my mom was like, you came home with the biggest smile on your face that I've ever seen. And then she told him

that when she met him and I was like so embarrassed, but it's fine. You're like, Mom, don't tell him I smiled. Don't tell him. It's so embarrassing when they tell my significant other that I like them. I actually once was dating this guy and I was stupid and had my, when someone text me, you could like see the words. And it was my mom just like gushing about my boyfriend. friend because my mom and I like when I'm dating someone she's dating him too like we either love him and then when she hates him I break up with him and it was just her oh that's so good it was so I mean it's good until like we disagree about someone but um she's right about everything but yeah she said something just like he's the cutest and like whatever and he just looked at me and I was

like don't worry okay like you still have to try for me okay was I'm not that far gone I'm like, yeah, my mom is planning the wedding, but don't worry about it. Is he the typical guy you'd go for in the past? Yeah, so I really like nice guys. I don't know what that comes from somehow. The whole, like, teen movies training everyone to like a jerk who's only nice to you. Didn't, like, sit with me. It didn't work.

I've always just really wanted someone to be nice. That's why my ex-boyfriend tricked me so much. He was the nicest person I'd ever met. And then he just was evil, actually, after like, three years. Well, there's some people who are nice and act the part. I feel like if people say they're a good person, they're not a good person. I'm not like, I don't know what your ex was like, but I find that when people are constantly talking like the good things they're doing and being good and acting right,

I'm like, you're fucking playing a part and you're sick. You're either like in your heart of hearts that way or you're not. And there's nothing hotter than a guy being nice to strangers, like little things. he's going to treat you that like if you think that a guy is only nice to you and he's a jerk to everyone else but it'll never happen to you that's just not how it works you're going to inconvenience him at some point and then he's going to snap and you're going to be the enemy just like everyone else you nailed it I remember yeah my ex who was nightmare he was on the phone with me and like freaking out at the taxi driver because the taxi driver was like stopping abruptly and then he would like turn to me and be nice and then like you don't freak get that and the next thing you know you're walking on eggshells around them you have this like subtle anxiety that you didn't have before and that's just not how you should feel around someone who is your partner and then I'd say my type changed a little bit in college because I just was like fine everyone's going to turn out to be a jerk I'm just going to date really hot guys who look like

Abercrombie models and they're all the same and I don't care about any of them I just had that time recently I literally like if you look at the guys I dated in college they're all the same and like I never even cared about them that much i think like three of them oh isn't it so empowering i legit yeah i just went through the model stage and it's like you can appreciate their looks but you know that you're like you have nothing that could actually connect with my soul it's what i needed at the time and like who cares like who wasn't going to be serious but then i think i got just a little bit more like artsy with my type after that like more um people who like model actually or do acting or singing or those kinds of things is kind of I just like creative people

and good jaw lines well you want to fall in love yeah you want to fall in love with how their mind works and like being nice and being inspired in your own creative ways it's just so fucking hot let's double a little darker into you what is your your biggest physical insecurity oh shit um probably more right now in quarantine but always i always wanted boobs I'm never going to have boobs. I used to be insecure of my teeth, but I got veneers. And wait, wait, so have you thought of a boob job? I've thought about it because veneers are fucking expensive.

I could have done like two boob jobs. You could have had four boobs. You could have had udders. Like, I could have. I don't know why for some reason I just, I get more stressed out about the idea of that part of me not being me as much. I like them on other people. and then I'll go back and forth and I'm like that's such a big decision I'm not going to do it but yeah I'm pretty anti-boob job just because I feel like the first step especially like as you're like coming of age I'm speaking to you like you're such like you're so young you're not but like I'm 20 I appreciate that no one does anymore and I miss it so much I'm 29 and it's like there's something so beautiful about like I don't want to like blow up her spot but pages Sorbo is like my best friend and she's pretty flat chested and she's pretty flat chested and she's like And when I first met her, she would put chicken cutlets, like, those, like, picks up in her bra

and she would, she's stuffing her bra at 26. And I was, like, living with her on Summer House. And at one point, I was, like, I started make fun of her. And I would, like, find the chicken cutlets and I would throw it at her. Like, they even caught it on. Jersey Shore. Like, but I was like, what are we doing here? And then I realized, I was like, having, do you realize the pros of having, like, small boobs?

Like, you can wear, like, the cutest shit, no bra ever, rock that shit. And guys go fucking nuts for, like, you find a person who just, like, loves every natural part of you. And I feel like sometimes, I don't know, it's just, it's the why. Like, really understanding why do you want them? Like, so guys can decide you're hot. And if I had been able to get one when I was in high school, I totally would have. And I'm glad that I didn't. I was always wearing the Victoria's Secret bombshell, like causing myself back problems.

Well, that's what society told you. Like those, you remember, someone could have punched me in the chest with one of those Victoria's secret bras, and I wouldn't have felt it. It was literally, like, because it was so fucking padded. No, same. I like, I didn't want people to hug me because I was like, they'll know. It was so hard. Someone could have shot me in the fucking chest, and I would have been like, come at me. Like, wear that shit in war, and you'll be protected.

You said you got boobs at 19? I got boobs at 19. That would have been the dream. That's, like, the perfect. But yeah, I think I had to, in college, really. like okay I think all these other girls are hot with all of their body types and like I think that they're sexy so why do I feel like I have to look like this very one specific thing in bikini photos I don't like it's fine exactly exactly ask yourself why like why do you have to look like

that specific person when sometimes when you put the boobs on that girl onto you it looks fucking weird and I'm I'm kind of over that like everyone trying to look one type of way because there's nothing hotter than you walking into a party and just being just owning your Ellie had a tweet that was like the biggest part of being a hot girl is just deciding you are one. And it's just so true. It's the same with outfits. It's the same with your body. Like just fucking own it. Oh my God. I love Ellie so much. She nails it every time. Do you deal with anxiety? Yes. She was about to drink some water and she was like, let me cancel all my plans. Yes. Where do we begin? Well, I'm very mentally unwell. But I've been trying this past week.

Every month, I have this new big attempt. So last month, I ordered a bunch of resin art supplies. I was like, I'm going to make crafts. I'm going to become a crafter. Because you're like, I'm getting involved with my inner child. It's going to be so relaxing. And then you just get so stressed that you spent $300 at, you know, whatever the arts and craft shop is. I was like, all I need is an outlet.

And then yesterday I bought a book about Buddhism. And I texted everyone I know. I was like, I'm going to become a Buddhist. That's going to be the thing that fixes everything. I'm going to be so good after. Like, before that, it was essential oils. But I don't know. I always, I have to keep telling myself that I've found a new answer.

And this is going to be like how I become okay. Oh, I love this because this is like the perfect time like early 20s to just like figure out, brings you joy. What gets you excited? But one thing that I kind of learned as an as a wise elder of 29 is that like, Like, you're searching for this answer, but it's actually already in you. Like, you're already happy. You just have things that are clouding it.

And it's like, it's just how Ellie said decide that you're a hot girl, decide to be happy. It's literally like deciding to be nice to yourself and an understanding that you actually do better and you're a much better person when you're nice to yourself. Yeah, I've gotten some good advice from your podcast, too. There was someone who came on, I can't remember her name of it. her episode um was really great she was talking about language and like changing the language oh yeah man and matthews so i'm going to try that too i don't know so what when you say you're mentally ill what do you mean oh i have anxiety depression ADHD um and my depressions like because they all manifest themselves different ways for some people and sometimes that can

be confusing when you're talking to your friends um but i just don't do anything i don't get out of bed especially right now like last year i forced myself i went places a lot um but with the pandemic it's kind of like not only an excuse like i probably could drive somewhere cool and like go do stuff but i yeah but you're like why i'm the same way my depression man of us the same way like i slept all day two days ago like i woke up took a nap like went on a walk because my boyfriend made me and then i fell asleep again and i don't know why easy tasks are just so hard um i've been i've been playing minecraft again that's bringing me joy i'll be like really stressed and then i'll be like i'm gonna make a ferris wheel and then i'll just sit there with

my little blocks and i'll build a ferris wheel and then i'll feel better i love that i actually i've been doing crosswords like there's like an app for new york times crosswords and i'm like really bad with words even though that's what i do for a living but i'm really so bad it i can barely do the monday but like i like challenge myself every time and i fail but it's like those are so It's so hard. But like I'm getting better. I just feel so challenged. Like I like not being good at something.

But yeah, it's like once you stop searching for it, it's kind of like, oh, wait, you've been there the whole time. I've just been like being a bitch to you. Yeah. That's another thing. I was talking to Ellie last night and I was like, I need a new brain. And she's like, no, you need to give your brain like a bath or a massage. And I was like, uh, fine.

You two are so cute together. I'm obsessed with you. Did you think that getting a boyfriend would make you happier? I didn't think it would make me better because I actually do fine when I'm alone. I like go pretty large periods between guys of being alone just to kind of like make sure that's something I can still do so it stays in the forefront of my brain. But yeah, I think it's just been a hard year, honestly. Like I, it does help to like have someone you can depend on and like that you trust and doesn't

make you crazy. And it helps to have like friends like Ellie, for example, who are very very. very good at like talking you down from those things but also do you realize that if you weren't crazy and if you didn't think differently you wouldn't be doing what you're doing like not a lot of people could like you're used you're a high functioning anxious person so like running an account that puts men on blast is so scary but you're like you're like everything i do is scary that's my brain we live in hell yeah and when i when i wake up sometimes i'm like today is not a day that I can go through those messages, but sometimes.

And knowing that is good. But I do try to tell people, like, when you have that creative fucked up brain, like, you do different things. And it's, you bring stuff to the world that, like, a person who has a very normal brain might not even attempt. So be proud of yourself. Yeah. Well, thank you.

I've always learned that, like, the worst times in my life have so far turned out to lead to, like, the best turnarounds that I always look back. and I'm like, I'm glad that happened. Like, with my fucking ex-boyfriend situation, made so much money off of that. And, like, I totally am way better because of it. How'd you make money? Oh, so he cheated on me on St. Patrick's Day.

So on St. Patrick's Day, I did a promo code that was fuck you, Sean, and made a bunch of money. It was a good time. It was like a good ad, you know what I mean? For your merch? That is so amazing. Oh. I was like, happy St. Patrick's Day.

My ex cheated on me. St. Patrick's Day, use promo code. Fuck you, Sean, for 10% off. You little marketing whiz. If you were to talk to a psychic, oh, I have. What would you ask them or what did you ask them? So when they ask me, would you rather talk about, like, your career or your relationships? I usually say relationships, but when I've done it in the past, I've been single. So now I probably wouldn't want to know that. You're like, don't tell me. Let me figure it out myself.

I really liked going to psychics last year. I went to. Bali and we went to a few there and then I went to some in like Hollywood. It's sort of like astrology in the sense that they're giving you takeaways even if you're not fully a hundred percent believing the things that they're telling you. But yeah, I would probably ask them like what am I supposed to be doing next career wise at this point? Were you getting like similar information from them all or different stuff? They were like different kinds of readings. So the one in Bali his was super positive so I wasn't sure if I believed him and then one of them told me I had like an evil fate so that frets me out a little bit I think that's the last one I did I was

like I don't know what that means and it was I didn't know if I wanted to know whether they meant I was going to do something evil or something evil was going to happen to me I was like I think I know too much I don't want to clarify any further that's like the scariest thing about doing them you're just like am i going to die tomorrow don't tell me like i don't need to know yeah it's like if you were going to a fucking ghost house but the worst case scenario is it's like 100% real oh my god okay so i want to wrap this up with one final game called the seven deadly sins you're doing amazing what are you greedy about attention and also like someone's time like knowing that they'll give up other

stuff to give me their time and i don't really need it but like no that is my love language too is time like i don't tell me flowers fucking walk in my front door sit on the couch with me even if we're not doing anything yeah if like 10 minutes goes by and they haven't paid attention to me i'm like i'm sure what you're doing like requires i have this new thing in my relationship where like when i want it i will just go up to him be like give me attention and like he always laughs but it's like at least we're being honest and i'm not trying to like trick him being like so um no that's so much better like if if you're wanting to talk to someone and they haven't texted you and a few hours just tell them text me or like when you're with someone you know when you're dating someone you literally just want them

to like snuggle on you or like kiss you just like be affectionate just go up to them and be like give me affection yeah exactly and then but i probably do it a little bit too much but this like it's better it's better that than not giving it to him or not wanting it from him yeah that's true well and the world in general like i want attention yeah and she rates dogs like after the christelia shit dropped you probably got a lot of hate oh i didn't want that attention i deleted twitter for a few days and then i didn't really post for a while because actually another after effect of that was people started sending me stories with like a lot of people who've done fucked up shit and it was very much stressing me out that I couldn't get to every single message I'd gotten and I was worried that

like there might be one specific one that would be super important for people to know about or like for the people making a case like the LA Times they really needed super specific proof that he knew their age and still did it um which i guess seeing it in their bio wasn't enough like so i was very stressed out about my dms i was like i i didn't like that i don't like that kind of attention i like shit posting on my my normal account and then getting attention there oh yeah sure's dog stresses me out i like make a post and then i like go off of it it's smart you i mean twitter a lot of it is knowing when to read it and when to like get away from it yeah i have it turned off um you can like make it so you don't see people who don't follow you in your mentions. And I have that turn to me. Oh, that's smart.

Yeah, because I love Twitter right now when I just, yeah, make shit posts. And then once Summerhouse airs, I'm like, goodbye forever. Now everyone has to look at me. Who are you envious of? I'm very envious of people who are really good at one thing and know that they're good at that one thing and like are super confident that that's what they're going to pursue and be great at. I'm also very envious of people who have a religion that works for them and find fulfillment in that. That's part of why I ordered a book about Buddhism. I would like to feel fulfilled. I used to grow up in a Christian church and just the energy of being there like made me feel better, but I stopped believing the overall thing. And I feel like people who are really about their religion can be

so happy. So I don't know. Maybe to answer those two. kind of things you're looking for you create a hot girl church and when you create your own religion you are the pastor you at ellie comes in to guest pastor or whatever you call it yeah it's funny this is our next our next big yeah that's the next that's the next that's what you focus on is being the next you know god she's finally free to do projects with me so i can get her to do crazy shit yeah god is a woman but i do i feel the same way with religion where i love the community and like all the positiveness but then there's all this other stuff that sometimes you're like how could i fully believe in this when i don't agree with a lot of things so it's

sometimes it's just yeah finding that purpose within you of what you believe and having your own relationship with whatever greater being or yeah because how would you classify your religious affiliation i like to say i'm agnostic yeah me too because i'm not against it i'm not fully convinced that there's no actual higher power at all. I'm more so just not fully believing one of them is right at the moment. Like, I mean, I've had people who are on who, like, I love hearing people talk about past lives and, like, I love people talking about, you know, older cultures and generations. There's always, like, that witch or that, like, older woman, the Nona who, like, who understands, like, they're intuitive in a deeper level. so I kind of just like believe in intuition and overall like kind of what you said is like kindness

just like kindness being the most important thing but like I believe in karma I just don't fucking know um they say like a like agnostics are just like too much of a little bitch to admit like we don't believe in anything no I mean it is true but I also I don't hate religion like I want to take takeaways from a bunch of different ones and that's my ideal existence, which is why I got a book on Buddhism, because it's not about, like, a God. I think it's more just about spirituality and energy and, like, I don't know. A hundred percent. I think educating yourself is really great to be able to pick what you like and what you

don't like. What are you gluttonous about? Like, what is your guilty pleasure? Video games. Oh, my gosh. Do you do what's the... Like right now? What is the thing all the kids are doing?

Twitch. Is Twitch what people play video games on? I feel like you'd be. blow up on Twitch. I don't stream, but I have like a discord and I have a Minecraft town that my followers can join and it's called Ratville and I have Furby statues. Do you remember Furby's? Did you have a Furby?

I am upset. I have many Furbies. I'm obsessed with Furbies. They're so funny. They were like banned from government buildings. I just think their story's beautiful. I think that what they've been through is very unique. And a lot of people think they're creepy and I like that too.

Remember you'd like put your finger in its mouth and you felt like it would cut it? And then it goes, yeah, they have their own language. So when you put something in their mouth, they say their little Furby word for eating. I mean, yeah, they're fucking adorable. How old were you when Furby's came out? Oh, I don't know. I just know that I love them now. I actually had an Instagram post removed this week and it was of a Furby with like a knife in front of it and a line of cocaine.

And the caption was like, My son keeps asking when the pain will end. What do I do? And they removed it for self-harm. And I posted it like, 2017. I was like, what are you talking about? Wait, you have the most sick sense of humor and I'm obsessed with it. You're adorable.

It's in like, you're just like, you're blonde, you're sweet. But I want to know, when was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger? I get mad online a lot. But it's my own fault because I'll always start, I'll know that I'll know that I'm starting a fight like I started one with Disney adults I started one with like anyone who likes EDM I started a fight with the church of Satan like any time I think that there's like a fun little group that I'm not hurting anybody but I think it'll just be kind of fun so you'll say something controversial and then I'll like actually get mad at the stupidity and the replies like I had this

tweet um I hated my ex's taste in music but I couldn't say that because it was EDM so it was his whole personality I love that I love that and eating on Twitter didn't like it so I like changed my handle to like Michaela and then the go sign

plur and like started just like so you're like trolling people and then they troll you and then you hurt your own feelings yeah because

you troll yourself it's so much fun for me until they start saying things that are true like when I'm having the time of my life and they're like you just have nothing to do

you're so bored you have nothing going on and that's why you're causing fights on line i'm like it's like damn you just read my ass oh my god so funny once last time you were a sloth so like you literally literally didn't do anything yesterday i had a really bad day and then i took an edible and then i built a ferris wheel in minecraft i'm obsessed with that wait what does your boyfriend think of your Minecraft obsession he's supportive so that's important my best friends ellie and matt

like Matt's my co-host they downloaded Minecraft to play with me my partner's not going to do that but he will text me and be like how's your Minecraft town and like oh my god I'm like oh my god do you really want to hear and he's like yes smiley face and I'll like show him my little maybe it's good he's not too involved so like you have your own thing yeah he doesn't like video games which is very attractive to me despite the fact that I like to play video games no I totally get it like I wouldn't be able to space out and not look at you but like if you did that to me over a game he's also great edge so he's never had alcohol or weed or anything else um so i love a sober man i know it's really it helps my trust issues so much so i'll just like take an edible vibe out on his couch and

like play me music and i'm like this is nice and he doesn't even know what it feels like so you're like it's nothing it's fine i'm here i'm with you he doesn't love it because he's like you don't have conversations with me and i'm like yes i do sometimes i take one and you don't even know oh god then he develops trust issues that's that's so fun i love it so much when was last time you let your pride get in the way of something so like your ego oh crap that's something i do a lot too this is what the psychic meant by you have an evil fate that you were going to be on burning and how oh oh my god we fulfilled the prophecy i don't have to worry about it anymore you can sleep

at night again it's like once every two months i'll wake up and remember that she said that to me and then i'll be like just when life is making sense it comes back and you're like no I'd say that, like, being in a relationship is one of the things that really makes me put my pride or ego to the side because I will start a fight and then I'll be empathetic and be thinking about it from his point of view and I'll be like, okay, I'm wrong. And now I have to send that embarrassing text that's like, you know what, this is on me. But that's like when you know you care about the person, when you're like, for our love, I will say I was wrong. Oh, I couldn't even say that. Like, my voice like, I literally flinched. I twitch during it. Wait, so as a young entrepreneur, do you feel like it's hard to manage your time

between like just like knowing what you're doing? Like you have your podcast, you have all the shit going on online. I mean, it's a lot of shit. How do you stay motivated or keep kind of organized? That's one of my biggest issues is like the fact that I need structure and I don't really have structure at the moment. That's something I'm trying to get more of. And like the podcast really helps with that because It's, you know, the same time every week. And everything else that I do is, like, based on my own devices. So writing lists really does help. There'll be times where I'm better at it and I'll be like, I'm going to look at

She Rates Dog submissions and then I'm going to put them into a buffer app and have them go out during the course of the week. But, yeah, quarantine has totally fucked up, like, my attempts at building a structure for myself. It used to be, like, I would have therapy, I would have classes, I'd have work, I'd have so many things like forcing me to then do other stuff when i'm busiest that's when i get the most done like the semester in college that i had the most shit like i somehow made the most time for important stuff it's funny like sometimes it just takes getting that first thing done and then you're

like motivated to be like oh yeah i'm in a mode but if you haven't been doing stuff for a while you're like oh it's it's like deciding to go work out you're like i'm comfortable now so why would i want to put myself through pain. Yeah. That was another thing that I used to have. And then like my therapy, the phone therapy doesn't work for me. So we're just not doing that right now. But yeah, quarantine is just really fucked it up. And every project is on hold until next year. So I'm just having fun, you know, doing my normal thing. Hell yeah. Like preparing for next year basically when we'll actually be able to start taking the next steps. A lot of people talk about like how, oh, I wish I could like you got you don't have a schedule you can do whatever you want and it's like you're almost

can always be working so you get that anxiety like at 11 p.m. something could pop off on she rates dogs and you're like feel like oh shit should I do something and it's like a never ending there's no off you can't turn the clock off and be like I'm done probably like the most depressing thing I can tell people from what I've learned from my experience is like getting all the free time in the world doesn't actually make life more fun. Oh yeah. When I dropped out of college and like I went from having full time that and a full time job and like an internship and everything at once and then to just being able to be online. Like I really wasn't having more fun to be honest. Yeah, you're alone with your own thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Very scary. Um, last question. When was the last time you lusted over

someone? So besides your boy toy, do you have like a celebrity crush? That's my issue. I've, like can't have feelings or like even attraction to people that i don't know really well that's really healthy i have this i have this issue also like if a guy dms me and i'm considering responding well in the past obviously not anymore but um and i'll freak out that they might have like a bad history so like go through their twitter likes make sure they don't have shitty opinions i'll google them with like the word problematic next to their name like i go through she rates dogs just to make sure he was never submitted yeah honestly that i've made a tweet about that once i was like what if one time i start dating a guy and like i go to his girlfriend's twitter and i check our messages

and i've gotten dms from her oh my god that's kind of nightmares you have at night i love that well you are hilarious so funny so inspiring my final final question to wrap this up is oh you got an evil look i know i'm like you're not out of the woods yet bitch what advice would you give to little devils on how to cope with your hell when you're in the dark place what do you do so the first thing is that i work it up in my head so when i start venting to my friends and like actually let myself start writing out the specific things that are bothering me that helps so much because the anxious part of me is working up these crazy scenarios and when i actually write down like the worst case scenario of what I'm dealing with. It's not as bad as not being

able to think of it. So writing stuff down really helps me. I had this app called Sibley that was just a text type therapy. So it wasn't an actual therapist. It's just someone you can vent at that like doesn't know you. And that kind of helped me because I could text it at 2 a.m. And like that's called Zibley. Z-I-B-L-Y? Yeah, S-B-L-E-L-S. And um, yes. Sorry. And then recently, I started meditating, and I put it off for a while because I was really bad at it every time I tried, but that usually means that you need it more. And meditating has helped me a lot, too. How often do you meditate? I do it at night because that's when my thoughts get the worst.

Good. That's good for you. Yeah. My mind, just like, I don't know, something about the nighttime, it makes up the worst things to tell me. It's not true. That's the height of its creativity. I'm the same way, I'm the same way. Well, Michaela, where can people follow you, listen to you, buy shit from you, give me the goods.

Oh my gosh, I have so many accounts. So I'll just say on Twitter, you can probably just follow She Raids Dogs and it's on Instagram too. And that's my main thing. And then explore all the other, you know, external sites. Yeah, I've got Michaela Oakland and Michaela Oakla and like a lot of different stuff. Hell yeah. If you guys thought anything was entertaining, screenshot, post that shit, subscribe, rate review, swipe up burning in hell, and listen to your podcast. She Rates Dogs. She Rates Dogs, the podcast. It's on all of the things. iTunes and Spotify and what have you. Hell yeah. You're the best. Thank you so much for coming to hell. And I'll talk to you guys later. Bye. Oh,