Berner Phone - Mike Cannon: Finding Your Viking & Sense Of Humor

Episode Date: August 6, 2020

Comedian Mike Cannon discusses being a bad office manager, what not to do when sending nudes, the power dynamic in his marriage, Hannah’s comedian crush, discovering your family has mental illness, and we talked about a lot of random shit.--- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Hell What's up, you guys? What's up, you guys? Welcome to the hot, fiery, lava, scary, dark, depths of hell, a.k.a. quarantine. I am with Michael Shane Cannon. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for getting my full name. Yeah, that was pretty much the most exciting part that I wanted to accomplish this podcast. But I wanted to discuss real quick of how we met. I met you years ago. You didn't remember because I was dating a comic and he was like, oh my God. I love my

Canon so much. You have to meet my Canon. And I met my Canon. My Canon was nice. I love that I met Mike Cannon He was nice Nothing really to write home about But I was like check check Good smile

I think he was high But whatever Both check Yes Both his eyes weren't open But very sweet They're also not currently I'm noticing

And then Fast forward I got into comedy And I was walking around With one of my boy toys Luke from Summerhouse at the time Oh my God What a sweet little piece

That boy is So we, I saw Mike and I think I was like, hey, or just like introduce myself again. And then, and he was definitely high during that time as well. There's a through line to this. Yeah, there's consistency. You're a consistent, reliable man. Sure, yeah. And then Feeney and I hit it off because we both are obsessed with cats.

I have two cats as well. Well, Feeney told me about it first. Wow. No, that's why you're on this podcast now. I literally, like, if you don't like cats, we don't play that game. True. And I literally have, like, 20 minutes of stand up about cats that I never do because I will get booed on stage. Holy shit.

You should put out a cat EP. Oh, my God. That's actually a great idea. Yeah. Only cat material? It's very cat niche. And you have to be a real cat person to understand some of the, like, real details of the jokes. And I also think that's perfect because real cat people don't like going out publicly to watch

stand-up. I assume they stay within their quarters a lot. So if you do the EP, that's for them to kind of like celebrate at home and private where they feel comfortable. You're just like describing how a cat would watch comedy as well. They want to sit under the couch and watch it in a safe, calm place. You guys, Mike has this incredible podcast, the Irish Goodbye podcast with my boy, Mike Feene. They're hysterical. They've had it forever. They're chemistry. off the charts so obviously they had to throw me in the game to see um what would happen oh and you fit right in you're you're you're you're you're a top guest we we loved you because you just it the the show like you know it's it's storytelling so it's very tangential and it's almost like double dutch and a lot of

our guests just kind of like sit back and they're they're almost reluctant to jump in and and enjoy themselves and you were like nope both of you stink i'll get i'll take it from here and i love that at one point I think I yelled at Feeney because he like wasn't contributing. Yeah. I was like, what are you, what have you brought to this conversation in the last 20 minutes? Well, you and I hit it off so well because I thought it was the first time we met. So that brings me to sitting down. You were always a sweet, polite man.

You have very kind eyes. You're very welcoming. And you were just very happy that I was there. And then I realized that you had no fucking idea who I was. But when I tried to explain how we met, you meet a lot of comics girlfriends. They come and go. I totally get that. But what upset me was that you did remember meeting me after I described that I was with a very hot male model.

Yes. Suddenly, you were like, I know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah. Well, this is what happens to a married guy's brain is like, so I'm almost not allowed to be attracted to women. Or in my brain, that's what I've convinced myself. so it's not even an option. So now I just appreciate male beauty. Honestly, your wife has fucking trained you well.

It's self-training. I will not give her any credit about this. I have been adoring men's bodies for long before she told me I should. Again, she's amazing because she made it feel like it was your idea to like men. Fair enough. So she's a genius. But I wanted just to give you a quick intro. Mike is a New York City-based comedian, delightful human being.

Um, he said on his own, um, website, which is true. Um, and he, you guys have to go on YouTube. You have nothing to do. Go on YouTube. Watch his comedy special life begins. I watched it. It's hysterical. Um, and I think, yeah, congratulations on that. I was supposed to have you on a while ago to promote it, but I, you're, you're a busy bee. You have a flourishing reality television show. Your podcast is, is hot toddy and your standup career is taking off. You have a lot to do. Stop, you're going to make me blush. Are you watching Summer House? My wife started it.

I think we're like, we wait for all, we wait for all that shit, and then we just watch it all the way through. It does prevent you from seeing, like, getting, I don't know, your opinions jaded by other people on Twitter, social media. I like that purism consuming. I hate the water cooler talk where people try to like break down characters with you and like that's their idea of socializing. And I'm like, no, no, I have my own ideas.

You can't sway me. I don't want to hear your feedback on what I think. I'm going to watch it and just like, you know, sit with my abacus at home and figure out which character I think is correct. You crack me up because, if I remember right, you had a very funny job before you went into comedy. And the whole water cooler talk, I would pay money to watch you, like, in an office. I mean, hence why the office is so funny. But like, what did you do before comedy? So I was, I mean, I've done a lot of things, but my job while I was doing comedy in the early stages to become full time, I was a, I was an office manager initially, which any living, breathing human being is qualified for.

You know, you just have to kind of be able to take a beating, like, just an emotional onslaught of, I'm sorry, I'll try to take care of it if I can't, I'm sorry, I probably won't be able to. It's completely thankless. Like, it's just negative reinforcement all day. So then the natural. progression to that was I interviewed for, I like left that job and I was going to interview for a better job as another office manager because I did not want more responsibility. I just wanted higher pay. And as I was in the interview, they were like, so you're a Mac specialist, huh? And I'm like, all my life. Just off the tip of my tongue completely lied. They never tested me for any type of computer literacy. Have you ever used a Mac before? No, the only Mac that I had access to was my sisters and I used it to go on the internet once.

So 100%. Also, I just want to say, your job was stand-up comedy. You're just taking negative abuse constantly. Like, you really, this is something we need to talk through later in the podcast, but continue. Yeah. So I, I, they never gave me a computer literacy test. They just liked the cut of my jib. I, uh, I, I, I kept that job for five years, which is both an example of white privilege and

also my wild ability to bullshit. I was providing networking. I server maintenance. I did daytime maintenance on everybody's workstation. I would act like I basically George Costanza my way through the entire thing where I would be super frustrated and like somebody would come over with a very simple problem. They're like, Mike, can you help me? And I'm like, just give me a second. I'm just trying to make it through this. I'm sorry. It's a bigger thing. I'm not trying to come at you personally. Please just go back to your computer. start it and I'll be over there in a second to fix it. And then I'd go they'd walk away and I'd Google what the fuck they just said. And I went back. You had nothing else going on, but you're all

flustered. Nothing. Yeah. Everyone has come up to me today. I just let me breathe for a second. Yeah. You literally had no one come up to you. No. It was just sweat and spittle from actual stress from just one problem. I also love the buzzwords of of companies like maintenance. What is maintenance that you listen to people when they complain and you go, I'll try. Oh, also I had to do, this is true. And I just remembered this the other day. I had to do like all the, I had to fix the printers and the copiers. Again, something I was wildly unqualified for. And the CEO's wife, or CEO's wife's sister. So his, his in-law or whatever, his sister-in-law worked at the company. And she was like, you know, Sonora from the ring.

Like she was always wet. Her hair was just like, dang. in front of her face she looked as though she got out of a well at all times and she but you can't question it you can't just her her character in the office right and she's directly in line with the ceo so she had like you know carte blanche to be a pig and i remember this one time she was like came over to me she has like these black teeth and she's like you gotta check out the the copier the printer it's not working i don't know what's going on you need it right now so i came over and i pulled out every every piece that could come out so like the printer you know the The ink, all the movable pieces, everything that could be traded out.

I took it out. And by the time I pulled out the last tray, there was a half bacon egg and cheese with one bite in it, completely lodged in like the spokes. See, I know that little. I'm just calling it a bike now. The spokes of the fucking printer. That's the most New York City story that there was a bacon egg and cheese. Yeah. With a roll, salt pepper ketchup, I could tell.

Did you say anything? Yeah, you got to get the salt on pepper. I handed it back to her. I literally handed it back to her. And she like kind of took it. I didn't see her eat it, but I'd like to believe that she did. How many times during the day would you just think, how did I get here? Every day, I mean, relentlessly throughout the day. You know, it's also one of those things where I thought I was good at comedy, which I wasn't. It was in my first five years. I was, I could get a crowd to laugh, but I was terrible. I'm re-watching some of those tapes, and I can't believe my family kept telling me to go for it. I can't watch myself yet because I'm like, just let yourself believe that you did okay. Yeah, you're smart. You're very, very smart.

Don't do it. Like, because it's, and it's one of those things where, like, even last year, I'll look at a tape and I'm like, ooh, that's a nightmare. I don't even listen to my own podcast, seeing me try to form a sentence. I'm like, I'm glad some people think it's funny, but it's like literally emotionally exhausting. It's also like it's, it's that self-diagnostic thing where you're going through and you can watch your face and you're like, oh, I see my gears turning. Everybody else thinks I'm like taking a thoughtful pause, but I know how stupid I am. I edit my podcast strictly to take out the absurd laughs and they're not a laugh. They're like, they're like animalistic noises that I will make pure joy, but like just sounding like dolphins and cats dying.

I just can't listen to my own. I always say like, you know your laugh in the back. background of an insta story when you're like filming your friend doing something funny and you're like you know and told me that it sounded like that yep that's but anyway no that's it that's turning it on me but that's a good thing because that that's also how I discovered that I shouldn't film myself having sex because like the first time the first and only time I ever did that it was with an iPhone and it was reverse cowgirl and I was holding the phone close to my face and I was like like in my head I'm like this looks great this is so sick and then I rewatched

it and I'm just like oh yeah you're so good like it was you just see that the hair on your belly button just getting like hit by her ass and you're just like oh my stuff oh god I have to it's a for all the ladies listening I just want you know I have a lot of dirty male friends I don't know why they come to me we bought comedy that's one one big reason 100% these dudes have this thing where they will film girls while doing doggy and Snapchat it to their friends. This is a widely done thing. No kidding.

Yeah, I think some of this is like athletes have done it. And then they'll be like, I'm like, you know that's sexual harassment. You can't just do that to girls? And they're like, well, I say, can I film you? I'm like, yeah, but you don't say, can I film you and send it to every, like, fucking Tom Nick and Harry that you're friends with and probably a random chick that accidentally got on that.

So anyway, just keep an eye out, guys. Just keep an eye out. that's wild yeah i know that this is our generation the fucking snapchat generation yeah that uh that one jemal murray from the denver nuggets he accidentally posted an instagram either live or story of his chick just blowing them and it was great it was awesome but like i i assume she's not happy when instagram lives first started instagram like was not prepared and it's hilarious because they've had this feature for a long time but they didn't expect people to actually start using it so it was like going down all the time and then like rappers were like having girls sucking their dicks on it and you know Instagram lives really it's enhanced my life for sure it's pretty good

I feel bad because now I'm just remembering all the stories we talked about on your podcast but I really liked a lot of them that's fine more people listen to this can you tell me the story of when you sent that video to your friends after jerking off too much oh yeah I don't so this is like this is class So I've been with my wife for a really long time. We dated since we were 10 years old off and on, like until we got married. We've each had experience with other people. That would be psychotic if we had not. I've had my, you know, my romps. I've had, you know, whatever.

She has as well. STD scares. Oh, and just full-fledged STDs. HPV to me is more of a battle wound than it is an STD. Also, all the sex after quarantine is going to be so terrible. Have you been completely. dry this whole time? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, that's going to, it's going to be a lot of unsatisfied women, more than usual. It's not going to, and also I'm just far myself on TikTok.

Like, I legit have a fake relationship in my head with this 19 year old college athlete. Yeah, yeah. I have a bunch of those too, all guys. And in my head, I'm like, I would just have to DM him be like what I could teach you. And then I'm like, he probably would teach me things, to be honest. I mean, if he's an athlete, he is at the height of his physical abilities. He, He probably is capable of stuff, but doesn't have the staying power to accomplish them. The only thing more confident than a 19-year-old Division I football player is probably, like, a middle-aged white man who's not that good at his job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, when you were working, what I would give to have the confidence of a white man who knows he's not good at the job.

Yeah, weirdly enough, I was mad at people when I didn't know how to do my job. That's actually really true. But I was younger. I was a middle age. Yeah, you were a young. I'm stallion. But I also was an athlete 19 on steroids that was very good sexually at the time. I was laying down to.

Are you New Jersey or Long Island? I'm from Rockland County. So right outside of New York City, like 19 miles out. So Westchester? It's like across the Hudson from Westchester. battle of white trash westchester to rocklin it's like wealthy people that can't escape their long island genetics you nailed it so hard but yeah anyone who's touching the outskirts of manhattan there's something about it you had to have done roids for at least a couple years in your

team hell yeah yeah yeah i'd get your ass beat yeah i'm called gay or you didn't take sports serious enough pussy or you did sports for fun and you were a fucking door yeah exactly why don't you play intramural high school loser so yeah you were a basketball boy i was yeah oh do you want me what was the story i was okay no i want to i want to hear the story of because there's so many issues right now especially in quarantine when you're video chatting yes and trying to be hot with video so you were on the road oh yeah take take your live off if you're sending picks that's all i could say that's a little hint into what is about to happen but like so i was i was sending new of my body to my wife and like at that point I don't even think of my dick like my dick is is just

barely attached to my body I have I'm road weary which means I've been on the road for weeks this was lining leading up to my special so I think I did like eight weeks in a row or something like that so I was just masturbating at such an like an elite level that what's your what's your go-to lotion see like I'm such an Irish prick I am dry get it done like I'm in the barn. Do you ever use the like blanket to add even more like texture against it? No, but that's nice. Yeah, but it probably desensitized the dick, but I have heard.

I have heard that. I ask a lot of masturbating questions. Like you, you just use the thin blanket. Oh, okay. No, I've used to. I've done sock. To get very dry. When I was young, yeah, when I was younger, I built my own pocket pussy.

You were That is the most I don't really know I don't really know to proceed Yeah That's some office manager IT

That's what you should have told them in the interview You were like Yeah I may not have max I'm not a Mac specialist But I am a sack specialist But yeah

I built a pocket pussy Out of soccer socks I folded those over And I put like a Garbage bag in And then I loaded it up with lotion and just

dude you could have sold that shit on eBay and like crushed it all those westchester horn dogs all steroid it up with their little tiny ball sacks i know it would have been great but so i so i'm on the road right and i'm i'm jerking off crazy it's and on but i'm getting in shape also so i was like sending my wife some update picks of my body and then i sent her this picture as a full-length nude and it is classic post-jerk dick like it just looks like almost just a useless should be collecting some sort of disability dick like a chewed old piece of putty that you've found you know under your couch with your cat it is just a goddamn nightmare and so i i don't know why i sent that to my wife i probably should have plumped up

and sent her something that would make her you know attracted to me but i sent that and then i also like i have a bunch of fat friends and again the confidence that white men have when they're not ready should never be that confident is so fucking like hot almost yeah that you're like here's my depressed worm dick this is what you do to me you wish you could get it hard you wish you could get this bitch hard you can't get this bitch hard holy shit that's what i should have sent with the caption just like it's your job to make it better you're mad at her just like when you're working in the office you're mad at people because your dick doesn't work I'm on the road and the thought of you couldn't even make my dick budge.

Do better. Yeah. Do better. So I, but I also, like all my buddies are all ex-athletes as well. But they have, they don't, they aren't in a vain line of work like we are. So we have to do maintenance. We have to, you know, keep in touch or keep in, in shape, all that stuff. And so I send pictures.

Yeah, I send pictures of my bodies to my friends to be like, what's up, fellow? It's like, suck my dick. I'm fucking look at how good I look as opposed to your water jug fucking jawlines, your awful torsos and your shapeless tits. So what I didn't realize, I cropped it, right? So I had cropped it right below, right where the V started,

like probably right as a few of the brushes were coming up. And just enough that they could think they're a little bit, you know. Yeah. And we've all seen each other's dicks, probably more than we've seen our wives naked. Like, you know, we grew up together. we've known each other forever so i sent them the picture and i'm like that'll teach them and then i never got a response for like five minutes and i'm like what the fuck is that and i went

back to check to make sure the picture went through or that i didn't your wife never responds but because your friends don't respond for five minutes you're like guys i don't think my wife ever did respond and i never checked i just sent it was like if you enjoy it you enjoy it and then your friends you're like not even l-o-l not even no she's talking nobody not even heart with the hell fellas nobody's gonna tell me i look good none of you meanwhile your wife's just peacefully sleeping for hours so i went back to the chat to check on the picture to make sure it went through to make sure i didn't send it to anybody else and i noticed the live circle in the left corner left upper corner and i'm like oh shit and i so i cropped it but the live still remained

active i pulled up the picture held it and you know of course at the end my fucking stupid wrist gut limp and it went down and you just see my awful clit that's what it was it's a stretched clit at best and uh i just all at that moment i was like how do you undelete a picture and then all of them started responding and they they saw it i was laughing like maybe they were side group chatting being like is mike good yeah i'm trying to tell us something i've seen mike's dick and it didn't look like that dick what happened we like should we They'll be friends with a dude with a dick that grows. I might as well have been gold member and the victim of like a smelting accident.

Like that's what my privates looked like. Dicks are so funny because, yeah, like they have such different phases. And like you could be so proud of your dick one minute and then so disappointed in it the next. How do you stay so secure in it? I guess white male confidence. They don't. But also I have a bit about that. Like, in my hour, life begins, I was saying that, like, if my dick was up for a yearbook superlative, it would win most versatile.

Because it's exactly that. When I'm like, when I'm ready to go, I'm like, look at you, fella. You are ready for picture day. Imagine, I'm so fascinated, like, because women don't understand these things. Like, the whole, when I realized there was growers versus showers, like, my mind was blown. When I first realized that you have to put a dick in your mouth, I couldn't fathom that. And I just saw every single adult. woman in my life the next five days envisioning that they had dicks in their mouth um well vaginas

don't change i mean i guess over time they do but it's not like as you're excited your lips don't like flop out and then when you're like not excited they don't suck in like a vacuum cord also we don't like we forget we have vaginas they're just yeah sores in between our legs and Wait, did you say sores? Sorry, I have an SED right now. I'm just kidding. They're open wounds, okay? They're open wounds that God was just like,

I'll just leave it like that. And for me to see inside my vagina, I have to like get in a really weird gymnastic position. So like, we're guys, I think you're just always like, oh, my dick's on the left side of my balls. It's on the right side. It's underneath. It's small.

It's big. You have this whole relationship that, you know, okay, I'm jealous. Are you? because it's a weird, it's a weird thing to keep auditing throughout the day. Like, it's nice. I don't know life any other way. But it is like, you know, I was working out with my wife the other day. And again, this is just oversharing with a person that is supposed to want to have sex with me. But we were doing this shadow boxing workout. And I was like, oh my God, look at this. My dick is like in my body. And I pulled out my dick. And it was like a little button, like a doorknob almost. And I was just like, how crazy is this and she's like what's going on i was like all right sorry forgot you weren't my friend well speaking of friends girlfriends quarantine a lot of couples are breaking up because they're forced to actually get to know each other yeah and spend time

with each other and talk to each other how many years have you been married michael i've been married it'll be four years september but i've been dating my wife like this time consistently since February 3rd, 2008, so 12 years. Wow. So I want to ask a couple of relationship questions. Okay. We've been having sex since we were 15. Look at you bragging as shit.

Look at you. Both of us. Both of us were 15. Thanks for clear. Yeah. I didn't just stumble on a hot high schooler and was like, oh, I could show her my baby dick and we could be all right. Also, isn't it hilarious?

First of all, I like that you still. send each other funny nudes and stuff. Yeah. Do you consciously try to keep things spicy? I think so. I think especially with a kid now, like you almost have to. There's an effort that has to be put in.

Do we go through like, you know, kind of the stretches where we're not sexy at all to each other? For sure. Especially, you know, in the early stages of the baby while she was still recovering and stuff like that. It was not about that at all. It was all about functionality.

It was all about making sure this kid survives his most vulnerable time on earth so you know but once things started picking up then we were just like all right we we spoke about this before he came before our son got here so let's let's put ourselves first let's put our relationship first we have to we have to continue to try for each other and how do you feel differently about her now that she's not only your sexy wife but she's the mother of your new lover your life Like, now that she has these motherly vibes, how has that changed your, like, I mean, that's, yeah, it's such a deepening of the relationship. It's so crazy. Like watching, I mean, the pregnancy in and of itself is a crazy thing, right? You're watching a person grow another person inside of them. They have every, every weather system of emotions inside of their body happening simultaneously. So moods are shifting at the drop of a hat, which as a husband who has gone to therapy personally, I am trying, I was trying. I was trying. trying to be like an ever-expanding container to try to be like, hey, I'm here for whatever

Nicole shows up today. I love every single one of you. Yeah, yeah, all of them. Each version of you I'm here for, sis. Maybe not sis. Because also, what people have to realize when hormones are speaking, like, we don't need problem solving. We just want to be heard.

Right. If you just have to be, you know, a punching bag in that day. Yeah. And I'm bad at that because I am such a douche that, like, when I hear a problem, problem, I'm immediately like, okay, let's try to figure this out. Let's go into advice mo. But when the problem is like, you don't even know what's going on in my body, then I'm like, yeah, you're right. So I'll just sit back, relax, and just be the backstop to your pitching practice. I can't imagine because when I get my vagina waxed and I'm seeing a guy, I will get so angry at

him during it. Like, does he even know the kind of pain that I'm going through for his three minutes of sex of emotional pleasure for him he's going to come in a fucking second and i'm getting every single poor like torn out of my body for him so i can't and i will literally be mad at a guy for like three days after it and he's like we good and i'm like i just can't talk to you right now i think that's a reasonable reaction now let me ask you this is the wax itself so is that for the guy to be attracted to or is that for the guy to have a better platter to eat from it is it's a combination of a lot of things but inevitably it's not for me okay any girl that says it's for me no no one puts themselves through that kind of pain i'll if it's for me like i'll

shave i think i feel sexy in it but i feel sexy while i'm with him sure do you think i'm shaving right now you've lost your damn mind yeah no i got a vacant lot between my legs right now it's a wild hairy see there's a there's a fucking metal barrel with a fire in the middle dick or their vagina right now it's a forest that is very scary um but i would get that anger towards dudes but i do feel hotter like i want it but i still am blaming them because i wouldn't be in this position without them sure so if i was having a fucking baby that was about to destroy my vagina every time i looked to that guy i'd be like how good do you yeah you don't even know and my wife to her credit like there wasn't a lot of that like she she had a pretty peaceful pregnancy as far as i've heard like

some of my friends have had, you know, when they married somebody and then they got them pregnant and they're like, well, that's not the person I married. I did not sign up for this. And that to me would be really scary. But also, that helps that I've known her since we were kids. So I've seen every version of her already. How have you guys managed to change so much and still keep that special connection? Because a lot of people are like, well, you grow apart. Sure. Or did you guys really just, like, grow together? I mean, we've had our moments where we've grown apart, which is why we've taken breaks over the years.

We've dated other people and all that stuff. But we've always, we've kind of found our way back. But honestly, this time together has been probably the most drastic personal changes of each of our lives. Because we basically restarted dating at 23 years old. We're now 35 married with a kid. Think of yourself at 23. And then, you know, fast forward to what you would be like at 13. with a kid, and it's a completely different person.

I think the willingness is, so one, you have to really, really not only love the person, but you have to really like them, and you have to like everything that they stand for, whether it's their faults, their strengths, anything like that. All of it kind of has to amuse you. And with that in mind, you have to kind of make a personal commitment to them where it's like, all right, I want to spend time with this person for the rest of my life. I love who they are and how they approach life. and I love how I feel with them as my partner in this.

So if I want this to continue, I understand that there's going to be ebbs and flows and negatives and positives and weird fights and big, you know, celebrations. We have to remain communicative through this if we truly are committed to being together. So every, like, the people that are like, you fall out of touch and you fall out of love, it's like, yeah, you do, but that's also your choice. Like I truly think that You just fucking If you guys are listening Take some fucking notes

Rewind what he just said You just hit so many important things When you said you have to like the person Not just love them I felt that in my core I feel like so Who the fuck knows what love is Like you fall in love

Because like the guy You know Anyway people fall in love so easily I feel like It's an intoxicant Yeah love is like a fucking drug But do you actually like having a conversation with them for the rest of your life.

Yeah, I love how my wife busts my balls. I love how she challenges me. I love how she supports me. It's all part of it. Like she's, she is my best friend. So with that in mind, it's like, I, if, if I can't communicate with her and make this relationship work, then that's also a reflection of who I am as a person. And that means that I've also stunted my growth and stopped. So if I'm stopping, if I'm not trying, I mean, you know, of course, things could change. She could completely fall out of love with me and just the communication could completely stop and we could break up. And that would be what it is. But in terms of an active relationship, it's the communication and talking ourselves through it and like, you know, understanding symptoms.

I think that's a big thing, too, that we've each learned in individual therapy where it's like, I know what bothers me and why and what it reminds me of from my childhood. that it's a reflection on that more than it is on my wife's current behavior. And that's why I have such deep-seated anger towards certain things. So as soon as those triggers come up and I feel the temperature in my body raise and I know what I'm about to say and do, if I can kind of immediately catch that, understand it, internalize it, then communicate it with her and what I'm going through, that typically extinguishes it pretty quickly. Hell yes. Well, first of all, you've gone through the work on yourself to be able to do that, but it's also like being good at fighting is important because you're going to have ebbs and flows with people. But if you have the respect for each

other, I'm speaking like, I'm dead single because I haven't found this yet, but I'm manifesting right now. If you have a real care for someone and you understand yourself and like if you yelled at me and I go, I'm not going to get mad at him because I know it's because his dad used to do this to him as a kid and I did something that reminded him of that and I need it. Like it becomes when people get selfish and not wanting to understand where people are coming from because one thing I did learn about reality TV is that there are three sides

to every story I used to just be like I'm fucking right and then I'd watch it and I'd hear their conversations and I'm like holy shit I totally get how their experiences in life have made them feel this type of way by what I did right would I have felt that way no but they are different than me

but I just think it's so beautiful that you found someone since you were you've known her since you were 10 yeah we met on the black top of fifth grade at our school and we were lining up to take buses home and then she like moved in next door like later that year so she was we didn't we didn't start as next door neighbors we met she was wearing a charlotte's hornet charlotte hornet's pullover starter jacket i remember it specifically yeah super sick i wish we had that goddamn jacket today we'd both wear it um and then she moved in next door and we became like best pals she's really good she's a really great athlete we

played basketball growing up together like we had we've had you know several different lives together already which is pretty crazy also as me as when I'm someone's girlfriend like I I love being their best friend and also because I love sports it's like yeah like I want to play golf with you or basketball with you I want to feel so connected to you and I think it sounds like you guys have found so many different things that you connect on for sure as well as I think it's important to find your individual shit, right? Like, so my wife and I, she's, we've been together obviously before I even started doing comedy. And then for this last time, like right before I kind of started, you know, February 2008, I was, I was thinking about it and dabbling a little bit,

but I didn't start doing stand-up until later in 2008 every single night. And she was with me through the entire process. And she was a fashion designer at the time, which she studied for in college she's super talented all that stuff but the reality of fashion in a retail world is far less glamorous than you know christian syriano or whoever is is living their life when they're you know making michel obama's dress has anyone ever been to the fashion district in new york city it's sad you're gonna blow your brains out yeah it's it's just a bunch of fabrics and sad asians it's such a weird area dirty and just too many people oh yeah kill myself yeah so my wife like, you know, we never, we never struggled with her supporting my stand-up or anything like that,

but it became very clear that she needed her own stand-up. So she, while she was a fashion designer, started kind of hobbying in floral design. And her and her and one of the people that she worked with was like almost starting a thing where they were doing small deliveries and they did somebody's wedding like a friend and it turned out to be beautiful because they were heavily influenced by fashion. And they just, you know, created this entirely new aesthetic. And that now, I think maybe five, six years later, is a full functioning company, Buds of Brooklyn. They do huge events for weddings. They do huge corporate events.

They do personal stuff. Also, it's a very cute name, Buds of Brooklyn. It's really cute. And also, I found that once she had that, she became like whole. You know what I mean? Like, that was her stand-up. And it sounds like instead of her kind of having animosity that, like, oh, we're putting so much time to his stuff, she just got inspired by you and built you. up and was like, and now let's build myself up too. Yep. But that's not to say, what's really

important, sorry to cut you off. What's really important is that like those conversations though, where it seems like they're jealous of what you got going on, those come up. The thing is, it's how you navigate the conversation. Because if you hear that and you're like, oh, fuck you, you're just jealous about what I got going on and I found this. And you can't find that. And if you're immediately defensive about it instead of being like, well, hold on, where is this coming from? Why are you, why are you upset about something that brings me so much joy? Let's figure out why that is and what we can do to make you whole on your end. Yes. And also I think when you love someone, like obviously I am a competitive person, but I find myself when I'm with a guy, if I find that he hasn't found his passion

yet, I want him to find it as much as I have because it's like you're a part of me. And a lot of relationships haven't worked out because I've been with people who like just don't have their thing. And I know deep down they want to find it but instead they just like drink all the time yeah and then they support me but i'm like but i want to support you i want to be and we don't have to both be like so successful it's just you want them to yeah like wake up and be proud of their own stuff and not get too invested in your life or down on their life right it doesn't matter the money aspect is almost irrelevant right so it's all it's all passion where it's like being passionate about something brings out the best version of yourself. It motivates you to become who you should be as opposed to like, listen,

I love laying around and drinking just as much as anybody else. But do I, do I think I am the best version of myself when I do that? Now, I don't think anybody would say that. It's called balance. Also, I think it sounds, you said one thing. You love how she bust your balls. And I always found like in relationships that really work, the girl and the guy always have a very even power dynamic where one of them doesn't seem too like obsessed with the other right what is your power dynamic with her or how has it changed over the years i think that's that's pretty accurate i mean we've both had probably our time of being more obsessed with the other person than the other but i think it's it's like finding the balance you know what i mean like i'm i'm still wildly attracted to her we still

you know i still want to have sex as much as humanly possible with a baby it's uh it's a little more difficult but we're still we're still knocking it out a few times a week so that hell yeah that feels pretty good but um i think she she i don't the so brendan sagelo who's another really funny comic he he hears how we talk to each other and he like he's almost frightened by it because it's like how i talk to him you know what i mean like we were in the car facetiming with him once and Nicole and you know i'm like turning left and the blinkers on and Nicole's like all right turn left here and I'm like, that's why the blinker's on. And Brendan on FaceTime was like, all right, I'm going to get going.

I'm like, oh, you don't understand. That is how he talks. Okay, I guess I'll be. All right. Well, this reminds me of my parents, so I'm going to hang up. I love him so much. I have this weird thing where like, when I'm around him, I'm like, do I want to have sex with Brendan Sagalov?

I think you might. I just love him. Like, I just want to hold him, and I think he's so funny. So anyway, stay tuned for that. I think a lot of women want to have sex with Brendan Sackalo, and they're confused by it. Yeah. Because he's so sweet, so funny, so cool. Anyway, and I freak him out because I will overtly flirt with him.

I'll be like, hey, I have a crush on you. And he's like, are you making fun of me? And I'm like, no, I have a crush on you. And he's like, I'll fucking put on a move if you keep saying this shit. Or we've had awkward interactions after, like, a show where he'll be like, you want to drink? And I'm like, do you want to drink? And he's like, actually, I don't know if I want to drink anymore. I'm like, shoot your shot, buddy.

You never know what's going to happen. Yeah, all right. Anyway. That's the lesson here. So you've done a lot of work on yourself. Mushrooms. Yes. Yes.

I want to get a little darker into that dark space in your head that you go to. Sure. What is your way of sabotaging yourself, whether it's in relationship, career, what's your bad habit of sabotage? I have anger stuff, so I can let anger cloud productivity where I can get kind of wrapped up in a little bit of resentment or in anger or like even now. You know, I'm making these, this could be self-sabotage, but I don't know. I've had a long, like, you know how Ellen DeGeneres, all of that stuff is kind of coming out about how she's a monster. her behind the scenes. So I...

It's the best con of the world. It's crazy. And it's long been, it's like, it's obviously not Harvey Weinstein level because she hasn't fucking assaulted anybody as far as we know. She's clearly emotionally abusing people.

I heard recently now that's being talked about, I'm such a New Yorker, but when my L.A. friends said, yeah, it's a saying when you move to New York, there's bad traffic, it's really hard to make it big and Ellen DeGeneres is a bitch.

Like, that's just what you learn. It's crazy, man. Like, you know, and I, trust me, part of me understands that she probably had to be a certain way to elevate herself within a male dominated industry. She's almost like a Hillary Clinton in that sort of way. She's dealt with so much hate and not being accepted. I totally understand that. However, once you become elevated, there's no reason to be a personal asshole to the people that work with you, right? So, and I know people that have worked for her and all of the stories are corroborated.

Like, she's just, she's just a nightmare. She's like how Letterman was in the latter years where it's. like nobody look at her get the fuck out of the hall if he's walking down like all that all that kind of stuff she's not paying her staff and she's the nerve to end her show is telling everyone to be nice yeah or be kind and it made me realize you know those people on instagram or facebook that go on these weird rants about like about like being your best self and being so nice and like they post all these weird ass quotes of positivity they're always the biggest fucking assholes they are those people yep it's also the people that show the most public

love on on Facebook where they're like posting to each other's walls or whatever I don't even know if that's still a thing on Facebook but they're just openly who are constantly like my best friend my best friend I'm like you guys fucking hate each other everyone who posts their relationships

are clearly overcompensating because they don't fuck anymore like it's psych 101 would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything as a failure especially because we all grow every day obviously the goal is a championship that's

there's no doubt in that and that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast in case you missed it with Christina Williams. The WMBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else. It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge that we have. For all the biggest stories in women's basketball plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted.

But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way. And we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to, in case you missed it with Christina Williams and IHart Women's Sports Production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on IHartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything as a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that, and that's the goal.

We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina Williams. The WMBA playoffs are here, and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind-the-scenes moments you won't find anywhere else. It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge that we have. For all the biggest stories in women's basketball plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way.

And we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to, in case you missed it with Christina Williams and IHart Women's Sports Production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on IHartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. But yeah, what were you saying about Ellen? So with that in mind, with all this stuff, I decided. I had to make like some ridiculous heightened Ellen videos where I bleached my hair, so I became Ellen. I didn't try for the impression. I still had my beard. I was just being an Illuminati lizard version of Ellen where I was using Porsche's face as a bidet. I was like, it's just like,

it's just saying horrible stuff. But like, I got so into the character that I just made four of them. And I'm like, well, that's a bit of self-sabotage right there. Like I'm, I'm just attacking. a wildly powerful woman in Hollywood for no real reason. She is a comedian. So my hope is that if she were to watch it, she'd laugh. She wouldn't. And it's just like, why am I, like all of my famous friends are liking the videos and never sharing it,

which I totally get it, which is why they're famous. And I'm just like, yeah, taking shots at old fucking LED for no reason. It's also like in quarantine, I find myself, like I have a big mouth. general I've said a lot of things that have gotten me in trouble in the past and you just when you're in it like you don't care you're like I'll own my shit yeah I could do it but you know in a

second if it came out like if someone was like you need to take that down Ellen's upset you'd be like oh my god I'm so sorry yeah anything for you let's dance together it was a mistake someone took over my Instagram yeah I was gonna ask somebody took over my Instagram and my body to film it my wife drugged me um so not again I felt like I don't have a lot of ads on here because not a lot of people have their shit together enough. Sure. But when I saw you dyed your hair, I was about to be like, are you good? Because that's like a telltale sign that you're losing it.

Yeah. But I love that it was for a bit. Well, also, it was like a day into quarantine. Yeah, it was pretty early on. And I was like, wow, Mike, he's having a rough go at it with staying home with the kid. It was more or less like, all right, I don't have to be on stage in front of people for a while. So let's take some chances. Who gives it shit?

You're so right. Because if you change your image. too much you like have to have bits about it you have to like call it out yeah what's stavros with his tooth he just like has no tooth now it's great he wrote like 15 minutes about it which is hysterical yeah you also were giving me like a little bit of like hot m&m vibes so like i was into it did you did you did you go pink too i did yeah i went blonde first like a little little rusty blonde and then i then i did pink which immediately made me feel like i had festival head so i created my own festival with a character named

Craman, which makes no sense. And then I died... With a K. No, with a C. I was... I wanted to know. I mean, if I put thought into it, then it would be with a K. But I just didn't. I just do things sometimes. So I did that. It made no

sense. I bleached it back to blonde. Then I pretended to be Milo, Yanopolis, Metropolis, Jesse Katsopoulos. I did a video about that. Then, you know, Ellen found me it was like there was no direction or point to any of it when you were young like in your teen years would you like do a lot of impressions or you just shit on your friends a lot yeah i mean i was always i was like the funny empathetic athlete which sounds you know almost like an oxymoron but

i was one of those guys same oh really i was friends with everybody in high school yeah yeah like i was too i was sensitive deep deep down but on the outside i like got was friends with everyone because I think as, like, comedians, they, who told me this? Andrew Santino told me this once. He said there's two kind of comedians. Athletes who just like love going up and challenging themselves and addicts. Yeah, I got that too. But also, if you're too dumb of an athlete and you don't have empathy,

you don't have enough of the like observation and like emotional intelligence to be a stand-up. Yeah, because I was, I was bullied like early in my life when I grew up around all older boys and I was always just dominated, which is both how I became an athlete. and how I became self-aware and empathetic. So it's like I got really good at sports, but then I also understand what it's like to be shit on. So I was really nice to all the kids like in my high school. I didn't really bully.

I'm sure I said some pretty shitty things to people at some point that I have no recollection of. But to me, actively, I never was like trying to oppress anybody. Yeah. Did you deal with anxiety as a kid? Or do you deal with anxiety? I deal with like hardcore anxiety and depression now. I think I've always been sensitive to the point of and dealt with depression a little bit in my youth.

But that kind of came to a head early in my 20s. So which I think is when kind of mental illness takes its full form. 20s are the worst because you like don't understand what's happening and your brain is starting to get fully formed. So the wires are all like fucking getting zapped up. Yeah. And you're not secure in yourself. So you're like, I don't know who I am. I have all this pressure suddenly.

and my brain is like just becoming a thing that my parent that and my parents got a divorce after 25 years of marriage a bunch of my friends started dying uh like a bunch and my dog died which you know that's the less of less of everything but and then my or you could say the most right then my grandfather who was basically my real dad like he's the one that instilled all of my man lessons in me and like was really there for me and supportive for me he died as well so while I was going through all this shit, I was kind of like struggling with depression and anxiety and kind of coming to the realization that I may have dealt with this, but in a weirder way when I was younger and it may not have surfaced correctly. And I had a history of family mental illness

that I was never told about until I was almost 30 years old. Oh my God. It's so funny the same way. Yeah, I found it recently that I have people in my family who deal with very bad anxiety and depression. At the time, I just thought they, like, love to clean. They're just love Adderall. Yeah, like, I, this could have, prevent me, like, so much self-hate and so much doubt if I just knew, like, oh, this is what my family deals with. Also, the thing of, like, people dying and then, like, the pet dying, honestly, is just, like, unnecessary evil that will happen on top of it. You feel such a loss of control that it's, like, anxiety is you trying to get control of the future but you can't yeah i also think because you were in new york state too like 9-11 took such a bad

hit on me and i was younger than you so you were more aware of what was going on i think we all didn't cope with that shit we all were like we're strong move on and then it was weird to i thought my dad worked in the twin towers because he worked there when the first bombing happened in the early 90s and uh i didn't know like so i were i lived right outside in rockland i'm from the city i was born in Manhattan and my parents lived in Manhattan for a long time with my older sister and then we moved to the outskirts so I grew up predominantly in the suburbs but my father still commuted every single day so when 9-11 happened I was in I was in maybe sophomore year I think saw yeah oh one sophomore year art class Mrs. Hand which best believe I made jerk off jokes relentlessly in that class

she she hated me yeah I remember hearing what happened and just being like my dad work in those fucking building. So it was like one of those things where I just didn't know if he was alive, dead or anything like that. And yeah, I think that's probably right that I didn't necessarily process that as best as I could have. Yeah,

I think so many New Yorkers, we go to therapy and we're talking about all this stuff and they're like, how was 9-11? And you're like, oh, that's blocked out. Yeah, yeah.

We don't go there. We don't talk about that. That was nothing. That was nothing. That was nothing. I want to finish with a final game. Okay. Just to get to know you a little more, and now they're getting a little darker.

It's time to play The Seven Deadly Sins. Sweet. Are you ready? I am. Seven Deadly Sins. What are you greedy about? I mean, a lot of things, I guess. Comedy.

I think most of my negative attributes now kind of circle around comedy and my negative attributes now kind of circle around comedy. my insecurity about my position in comedy because I find that I'm I'm pretty skilled and talented and it's grown it's gotten to a point now where I'm like proud of what I'm able to do and so I think I'm I'm greedy in terms of what I think I what I think I deserve and not not what I think I'm owed but what I think like you know my my ability has earned me yeah and in the entertainment business it's really hard because inevitably it's not like a sport We're like, if you're better than someone, you just beat them and you get the W. Yeah.

In comedy, there's so many different politics and social media shit and people are getting things. And then once you feel like you've gotten to the point where you deserve the things other people are getting and you don't, it's a bitch. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to cope with. But I'm glad that I went through therapy because it's helping me. You know, it's giving me the tools to kind of, you know, first of all, I'm not entitled to anything. So all of my, all of my feelings of like, well, that should be. mine and that it's like well no nobody asked you to do this i got into it because i love it

it's my favorite thing that i've ever done so it's like everything else i'm making a living like it's crazy that i'm that i'm able to float a family right now still without touring i'm still able to pay for my family with everything that i have coming in from comedy so that to me is like it's it's pretty amazing i think i'm probably greedy about about that stuff and then like attention or I used to be worse with attention because even socially I'd be like you know trying to get people shit and parties and like telling stories and all that stuff

but now I'm like now I'm kind of like quiet so many comics are like that in the hang I'm probably guilty of it sometimes but we're like I would be with someone who's like clearly the headliner like clearly so funny and like has all the respect but in the green room they have to constantly remind everyone that like they're the funniest and it's like we get it

You're opening for you. We get it. You're the funniest we get it. How did you get yourself to have the confidence to be like, you know what? I don't need to be like doing a bazillion jokes in this room to show everyone that I'm funny. I think it just happened. Like honestly, like I think within the last, within the last two years, I think getting into the seller, which I think that was probably a big like almost an affirmation piece. you know, because if industry affirmation is all well and good and that's, you know, it could mean many different things. It doesn't even have to mean that you're good. It could mean that you look a certain way or you're, you fit, fit in with a project or, you know, whatever. It's just different intangibles that you could offer that make you that make you fit. But for me, getting into a club that I've always revered and being co-signed by comedians that I've always looked up to

and they're telling me that, hey, man, you can hang. You, you, you, you, you, you can do this with us you can be on shows with us that to me was almost like a oh okay so now i can start becoming myself a little more on stage and honestly the growth i've made as a stand-up in the last two years is fucking gnarly like it's both of my hours are up on youtube by the way so i think it just i think it just kicked in is up there and that's my first one and that's before i started working at the cellar and then life begins is up there and if you watch you know it's still the same idiot saying the same jokes with an over-enunciated voice. But it's, but it, to me, there is so many differences in how I like, in how I carry myself and how I'm, and how I sit in

the material and like, you know, it might not be even observable to anybody else, but to me it is. And you don't mind having that old one up that is like slightly different. No, because it's a sign of growth, right? Yeah. I mean, I have old pod. Because perfectionist would be like, I can't have that out there. I can't have people judge me. No, you said something that I relate to very heavily in our, in our podcast, Irish Goodbye, where you were like, I like having moments where I don't look great out there because it's almost a pillar of growth, right? It's a sign where it's like, hey, I'm an ever-evolving person and if you think I'm going to be pristine right out the box, you're a fucking liar. You're a phony liar.

All of this like, you know, all of what's going on on social media where people are trying to out everybody else for, you know, thoughts that maybe everybody has had or fuckups that maybe everybody has had, but they want to find what you did and they want to ruin your life. And it's like, are we all running for president? Are we all hoping that we're not going to grow? We're all trying to remain perfect, stagnant at the same level. It's like, I have an old conspiracy podcast where the podcast itself is so gnarly, but I kept it up. And there's episodes where I'm blacked out screaming at my co-host, screaming. And it's so. embarrassing but it's like no that's what I was when I was 24 years old also when I

agreed to do a reality TV show it's you like people are judging you as a person yeah and your character and I one of the producers says something that really like stuck with me and he's like people are watching you make mistakes and how you recover from them yes so I don't go in trying to be like hey look at me I'm just killing the game I'm like what mistakes am I going to make this summer and how is Hannah Burner uniquely going to try to overcome them Right. And also, I think the death of comedy, to me, two things. It's trying to be cool and it's trying to be right. Both of those things to me are so anti-comedy. It sucks. And everybody out there is trying to be their, you know, they're aiming for Clappter. They want to get, they want to be that morally correct comedian up there that is driving a point home to that you can walk home and be like, man, that person is smart. And it's like, no, I'd actually rather say the wrong thing and make you laugh and be like, that idiot. And it's like, yeah, that's what you paid for.

That's what you paid for to laugh at that idiot. Not some fucking ass on a soapbox saying why we all should have the same rights. It's like, that stuff is, yeah, it's correct. But like, get that at home. We're supposed to be observant and make fun of and say things that other people are afraid to say. So it's so funny when people will laugh and then be like, but that's not okay. And I'm like, that's why you laugh. Right.

Because it's not okay. Because other people would be scared to say it. Yep. My favorite kind of. joke is one that sprays the whole room where it's almost like a street sweeper. You're taking fucking everybody out, right? So I have a joke on my thing, which like has done really well on TikTok, which is hilarious. But it's, it's about gender reveal parties and how they're anti-woke and how my wife and I, we didn't do the puff of blue smoke or the puff of pink

smoke. Instead, we gathered family around, shot everyone with a water gun and said, gender is a spectrum, you judgmental pieces of shit. And it's like, and it like, It makes fun of everyone. It makes fun of the woke. It makes fun of the gender reveals. It makes fun of anti-woke. It's accepting. It's unaccepting.

It's all of it. And the people commenting are like, I don't know if he's mocking or not. And they're arguing with each other on whether or not I'm mocking. And it's like, is he serious? It's like, first of all, I'm doing jokes at a comedy club. That'll be a, that's a context for you right now to understand whether or not I'm joking. Second of all, it's like, why does that matter?

Yeah, people want to put everyone in a box and define everyone. So that takes, that's like a great joke when it's like you're not just being like, aren't those types of people the worst? Right. It's like, no, you just when you thought you were safe, I'm coming at you too. Yeah. Yeah. And I like embodying the worst.

Yeah. Because I want to put it on me. I don't like calling everybody the worst. That's really easy. There's a lot of comedians with leather jackets smoking cigarettes being like, and I'll tell you what's wrong. with them. It's like, who gives this shit? It's like, I might as well embody those awful traits because I do. Like, I have those moments. Then they see themselves in you and they're like, oh my God, this is hilarious. Right. And yeah, and it's easier for them to fathom. But I think all

those comments under your page is great because it's like, it's making people think. Yeah. It's making people talk. It's a reaction. Your last video is so funny on Instagram where you did that exactly where you pretended to be just like. Oh, where I said liberate the states. I know people even on that are like, is this guy kidding? Like, I hope you're being ironic. And it's like, I'm switching like accents four times. Does it ever get you mad the people who follow you? You're like, can you just not support my work anymore?

It makes, it honestly makes me sad more than anything else. It makes me not want to put out anything ever again. It's just like, man, some of you are so fucking dumb. I can't believe that I'm wasting my time caring about entertaining you. It's like you're not even worth these ideas. I did this just funny TikTok video very simple of this hot guy who's like 19 and me with my eyes closed because it's like if I'm going to be feel uncomfortable watching these guys, I want everyone who's following me to be uncomfortable watching these young hot men.

And there's a whole thread of people being like, this is so fucked up like if a guy posted this like you are you are being like a pedophile all this stuff and I'm like you got the joke good job now let's oh good you understood it you understood the overall concept people are painful online that's why it's like we're not especially in quarantine we're not in comedy clubs

where people are the eyes on our videos are from all kinds of people yeah that also bums me out though because you know you find out that like what 1% of the country is actually on Twitter and so doing stand-up gives you an outlet to real people right it kind of lets you know what's out there without stand up now my only audience is online so I almost am and like what is it called I'm I'm like hypnotized into thinking this is how people are reacting to you yeah and it's not yeah with summer house there there'll be like a weird scene where maybe I didn't come off great and then yeah you get a mean

comment but what's fucked up with Twitter is like I'll get a thousand of the same comment like you were a mean girl when you get one you're like okay a thousand people call you mean girl you're like the whole world when literally most people don't even have a Twitter yeah no no not at all I mean the the vast vast majority of humans are not on Twitter

but then we're loving the opinions of these like psychotic people that are on Twitter with no friends no followers just to talk shit and we're taking their stuff to heart like it's like a well respected human yeah I mean comedians are like you know I shouldn't paint with a broad

brush but me personally I'm mentally ill now I'm putting out videos I'm putting out videos to a pool of saturated mentally ill people and I'm expecting some sort of nuanced conversation like what the fuck is my problem also how does your wife's mental illness um work with your mental illness is it compatible it is yeah and I think that's you know that's that's that's part of the recipe to a successful relationship right is like finding somebody who who your puzzle fits. It's, it's, she's got some other shit that she's like, you know, she, she grew up similarly in a chaotic household where there was a lot of fighting.

She responded to it way differently than I did. I responded to it by like tap dancing and doing the fucking, you know, Michael Jackson dance in front of company. So they'd laugh and forget that my parents were in each other's face. And my, my wife kind of retreated. And she went into her own thing and drew and became an artist and all that stuff. So we, as long as you're. As long as you're open and honest about what you both have went through and how you both have grown personality traits and coped in response to those things,

then I feel like you can you can kind of fit with anybody. Yeah, it sounds like she might teach you to like relax a little and not have to like show off all the time. And you're teaching her that like you can laugh stuff off and stop taking everything so seriously. Of course. Yeah. She, I mean, she tries to take me off social media as much as possible. But I was like, honey, it's all I got right now unless you want to, unless you want me recite. fucking Ellen bits in your face for an entire day.

If you like, believe me, this, let me let it out here. So many comics you can tell, like, who, like, really needs the attention all the time. And they're just going on live, no plan, no nothing, just themselves being like, hey. I need this. I know. I did an Instagram live where I, like, was breaking down a poker tournament I was playing, and I did it intentionally. I was like, this is going to be boring for all of you.

I was like, if you're really into poker, I used to play for a living. So I was like, if you're really into poker, this will be cool. And I'll kind of break down hands and talk about table position and statistics. And like, well, that's niche and has a purpose. Right. But then drunk Jared Freed came onto the show was like, this is what a fucking Instagram live is. I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for you.

And I was like, you should be. And honestly, I should be embarrassed. And I hate this entire thing. And of course, with him came his hundreds of fans. And it was like, it was like me and 18 people before that. And then 350 people were like, wait, Jared's in on something. my god damn it it's a poker tournament he just goes on to shit on you he's like are you okay what the hell is this also i went on rory scoville oh he's the best i love him so much and he's doing like

recapping the like 1984 master's golf tournament he found the most boring possible thing and he's like this guy over here look at that and it's it's almost i think at the point where they're laughing at themselves well people they're like laughing at the people watching it like are you really fucking watching this right now yeah you guys are hilarious it's super meta um next question that was a long one that was one we have ADD um who are you envious of um friends with success for sure it's like people that have broken before me like you know and and envious i have i have ugly envy for sure but then i'm kind of i quickly try to remind myself that it's all love and support like I'm truly I'm truly happy for my friends that do well and then the ugly part of me kind of like

gets in to like well why why can't you have that you know feet let's let's do it feeney right feeney had that viral video you get get a couple million views and like he has always been below me in terms of followers and then he shot the fuck past me because of this one video all of his stand-up videos started picking up things and my stand-up videos have been throttled by Instagram because a few people complained about offensive jokes so not only not only is his stuff taking off but then i see my stuff being like completely tamped down and in my head i can and and heart and body i can feel the poison you know what i mean i can feel it start to take over my body it's not a good feeling it's the worst and and i can like i could really get into it for a minute and just be like what the

fuck and get really pissed and start taking it out on everybody around me but then i have to like just kick your cap Yeah, yeah, I just punt my feline over the house, you know, which I did, but for a different reason. And that made sense. Yeah, yeah. But that's like, that's a thing that I struggle with daily. And one of my earliest friends in stand-up DeStefano, Chris DeStefano, one of my best buds, he took off really early. And it's like, I'm so happy and proud of him.

And then part of me is like, all right, like, you know, hopefully my thing comes. Like, this is getting really frustrating. What the fuck? And, you know, it's all been, there's been false starts of like. Like, I was an MTV guy. I had all these MTV projects lined up. I was on MTV shows. I had pilots and then they got fucking wiped from the slate and it's start the fuck back over.

Then I had all this build up on other stuff. And then it's wipe the fuck out, start back over. So it's like I'm constantly battling in my head of like if and when that moment is ever going to come. And it's just something I have to push out entirely and focus on creating because that is how you can stunt everything. Oh, you're so right. Because in the time that you're constantly thinking about results, you won't be making the quality videos to even get you to that result or the quality writing.

It's funny because when Feeney came on my podcast, we talked about the same thing. And I was talking about how I see it as like popcorn that like, even though popcorn all has the same heat, it still pops at different times. Yeah, totally. And I just like food metaphors in general. And also he became moderately popular on Instagram due to popcorn.

Yes. Also, no, I saw Feene, I was like, didn't know Fienie's viral on TikTok, like Feeney's huge on TikTok, but also Feeney's put in so much work creating these videos. And I think he also was such a like almost underrated comic for so long. Totally, yeah. In terms of social media. Yeah. He was always putting out great videos.

So like, yeah, it's part of it where it's like also deep down what I've learned because I have a lot of friends that are like, have a lot of social media following. It's like, the bigger they get, the better it's going to be for me at the end of the day. the more like I give them love and they give me love. I mean, girls got to eat. Like, they've been so amazing to, I mean, both of us. Yeah, totally. Because it's this idea of like abundance that like the better they do, like, first of all,

I just like bragging that I'm friends with them. Yeah. And I think they're fucking awesome. Oh, well, my friend, my wife's business partner, Connie, who owns Budza Brooklyn with my wife is a huge fan of you, huge fan of Summerhouse. So the simple fact that I'm on this show, she was like, oh my God, I can't believe you're going be talking to Hannah and I was like yeah and I get to brag now. I wasn't expecting that accent no I love that also for all my comic friends like shit on me when like they have a family member

who like love summer house they're like the ones you send a video to that yeah yeah personal cameo now they're like I've been doing comedy for 25 years and they never asked me for a video well that's something you got to learn also is your family while they're going to support you you're never going to be their favorite comedian ever and that's fine it's just they can't love you on that level because comedy is about surprise and it's about the mystery and not knowing exactly who the person is right so it's like my family while they think i'm hilarious and like what i do Nicole's favorite comic i think is Brendan Sagalow like she doesn't like my shit as much that's so funny because clearly you've gone to therapy and worked through that because

that was a very well-said, like, logical response to that. I mean, trust me, I've been shadowboxing about it for months, but... But she's giggling, and you're like, oh, you saw my last video, and she's like, no, Brendan just posted this story. Now, Brendan's video that he got 250 views on. It should be, it should be the best. I will, like, repost Brendan's videos. I'm Loki Brendan's biggest fan, and he, like, doesn't know how to deal with me.

He won't even respond to me sometimes. but anyway maybe he wants a restraining order it's all good i'm just living my truth hell yeah i'm living my truth he i just tell he's such a nice fucking guy and i gravitate actually i don't gravitate towards nice guys anyway he's super nice and he's also insanely talented like super super funny not enough not enough credit goes his way in a serious way and i trash him a lot on every podcast that i ever go on but i tell everyone he's shit yeah he's dog shit but he's he's one of my favorite comedians as well he's fucking hilarious it's also like he has this like a ability to him that you can't

teach. When someone goes on stage, I think immediately in five seconds, you either hate him or like him. It's like reality TV, like people either like me or hate me, I can't doesn't really, what I do doesn't affect it. You're put through the filter of everything they've experienced.

So you might look like a chick they hate that you might behave like somebody that fuck them over. All that stuff is like little subconscious shit that they're also processing you with. Yes, and you'll go crazy. if you try to fucking manipulate every situation to be what that person wants. Totally.

What are you gluttonous about? So, like, what do you overindulge in? Food. What's your go-to? I mean, lately in quarantine, so I used to, I haven't drank in, like, 16 months, and I love drinking. I mean, my podcast was built on alcohol pretty much. Yeah, and I love having a good time.

I definitely, I'm like a one drink is too much. 10 is not enough type of guy so like i can't one drink i don't see the point in it i find it completely i'm the same way i never order alcohol with food i'm like i want to enjoy this meal if you want to get fucked up we'll talk about that it's a whole different game plan totally do you and feeney still drink uh feeney does phiney drinks i don't at the time like i i don't have any plans for what's going to become of my drinking i just i just initially did it in solidarity with my wife while she was pregnant and then now i kind of like being thin and not hungover. Good for you. No, yeah, you look good. I appreciate it. What was your go-to

drink of choice? Alcohol. I mean, you know, mostly, towards the end, it was like, it was classic bender drinking shit. Like, I would have vodka soda, splash of orange or something like that, like anything to kind of like really get you through the day. What was your, now that I'm like being nostalgic, what was your favorite comedy club to afterwards just get hammered? New York Comedy Club. New York Comedy Club. I've been blackout drunk at that place. so my like I I by the time I got in at the cellar I kind of knew I didn't want to do that there like I was like oh I don't want to show this version of me for a really long time but New York comedy club I was like judging roast battle for free the way they would pay me is with endless drinks and I'd be like shit face screaming at some young comic about why he stinks or how he's ugly and that was super fun especially with Yamanika Yamanika Saunders and I used to be the house judges and we'd take we'd take 150 milligrams grams of THC, so we'd eat edibles, and then drink 48 drinks and would be like on the moon screaming at open micers.

I didn't remember what the people said in their roast. I didn't. I wrote it down. I don't like her face. I don't like her face. I don't like it next. I'm actually judging roast battle over Zoom on Thursday. Oh, nice.

That'll be fun. Is that with New York? That's with New York. Nice. I think I'm doing that later in the month. But now without drinking, I'm like eating a ton of sugar and shit. You know what I mean? Like I'm just pounding down Sour Patch kids.

I'm eating cinnamon toast crunch cereal every single night. That's the thing. You can't have that in the house. I know. But now I'm staying at my in-laws. So they shop like we're, you know, 14. It's the fucking best. If the grandparents got it, it doesn't count.

The calories don't count. If your grandma's giving you cake. Hell yeah. It's just love. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath? So anger. I mean, you know, today. earlier today earlier today it's only noon i know but my my pandemic unemployment hasn't come in

like so it came in one week which was we like the unemployment situation has been such a fucking nightmare and uh you know called did the whole thing for weeks haven't reached anybody then they came up with the you know we'll reach out to you then they don't tell you that you know because i'm a gig worker i didn't necessarily you know make it for unemployment but i got pandemic unemployment and that payment came in one week and then not the next and then not the next it's like it's so frustrating that I wake up and I'm like I'm I'm ready to fist fight John government like the guy that I want to beat the fuck out of doesn't exist but I want punching dollar bills yeah yeah I'm just crumpling up bills and fist fighting them in the front yard George Washington you fucking

dickhead and then pressing them right after because I'm like I need these I need these that's going to be important i think that also like i don't fucking call people on the phone like when i first had to start calling for my own doctor's appointments like it's the worst thing ever like i tried to call chase the other day and it was like there's a five-minute wait and i was like can't do it yeah no i'm out yeah i wish there was a task rabbit for that oh yeah when was the last time you were a sloth so like you didn't do anything all day um probably before my kid was born to be on you know i mean well maybe in the first weeks or something like that because in the first weeks when you're home you're just kind of like holding a hot water

bag like it's just it's just a human that's just kind of on you and you got to feed him you got to change them just a cute sausage yeah that's that's that's pretty much it so i watched so many movies and but i was out at night and stuff like that yeah probably or like maybe in his second week of life as someone who like let's say i'm pretty lazy i feel like is it like when you have a baby you get this new motivation because it's someone you love for so much to get out of bed. Like, I can't get out of bed before noon right now, but it's like, I feel like if I had a baby, this motherly instinct would come over me. Yeah, you found that you've had that.

Yeah, you'd have to. It doesn't mean that you like it. You know, it's not like this new motivation where you're like, you know, it's snow white and you open the window and birds fly out and you're like, I'm a dad and I'm going to tackle the day. It's like, no, I'm just, you know, I'm tired, but I know I'm tired, but I know I'm I have to keep this person alive. Oh, my God.

When was the last time you let your pride get in the way of something? So like your ego. That's also all the time. I mean, I haven't done mushrooms in a while, so I haven't shattered my ego. I told my wife, I was like, listen, you know, I started getting so down about some of the Instagram stuff, about being throttled, about feeling helpless. Like I couldn't, you know, I did this, I did this weird. almost test with the comedy seller, where I put out a video about me, it's a story about me

being bit by a Marine Dog, and it's the closing bit to my special, Life Begins, and I put it on mine, and it got a bunch of comments, it was shared a few times and all that stuff, and it got like 2,500 views where all of my videos used to get six figures all the time. And then I was like, Comedy Cellar, can you post this for me? I just want to see if like the shares go up, if like whatever, like, I just want to kind of compare it to what my traffic is doing. And And immediately on theirs, it has well over 100,000 views. And like, so while that's great, it also frustrated me by feeling like... Do you think you're shadow banned?

I guess. Like, you know, I don't know. I almost hate saying that because I don't find myself important enough to shadow ban. But I just think, I just think that I'm not like... I think your shadow ban. Because I think it's something technical with the algorithm that is causing people to not find you or be able to share your stuff. It's a shadow ban thing. I look into shadow banning because there are like...

there might be a certain amount of time you have to wait just so you feel more in control of it but it just it fucking sucks it fucking sucks yeah i mean i got my agent on it she's now in communication with facebook and instagram but you know who the fuck knows it's just it it doesn't matter it's the most boring problem of all time who gives a ship but it's one of those things where you feel so self so like uncapable like you just feel i just feel like what the fuck is going on instagram is just like a big ego trip. So it's like seeing that like 6,000 views, you're just like, that does not represent me. Right. And it's all we got right now. You know, I'm not, I can't be a door to door salesman anymore. I was accumulating fans like a fucking snail. I was playing the road and I was slowly moving and I'd catch people each show. They'd just attach themselves to me. And now I can't even do that. So all I have is this digital playground and being shut down feels like I don't have a voice. I love the idea that, like, Feney, like, is like, don't make eye contact with me anymore. I know.

Oh, my God. I would, I would rip his limbs off his body and beat him to death with them if he ever tries to play me like that. I think you should have a new character who's big time of you because you're a shadow band. Yeah, I'm, I'm a Instagram celebrity. Uh, Mike Feeney. I think all these teenage girls are, like, loving how he aesthetically looks.

Oh, I agree. And then me, I'm like a fucking, you know, weathered pirate just like, you want to want to hear anger kids and they're like oh mister get away from us no but keep keep posting on tic-tok because i feel like tic-tok is really receptive yeah they've been good actually the talk has been good to me so far the talk okay good literally also all my i had so many jokes about how i fucking hate tic-tok before quarantine and now i'm like all over tic-tok so now i'm like well i'm just going to go walk myself out oh phine and i had a shouting match on our podcast about TikTok a 20 minute screen like I walked out of the show and now I'm like I've gained I've been on

TikTok for like three months I have more followers than I have on Instagram which I've been on for years which is maybe the I mean I am huge in Malaysia you scream at Fienie and you walk out and go to the bathroom and then just scroll TikTok downloaded the app and I'm like fine that sounds successful um when was the last time you lusted over someone now I know it's obviously your wife so let's do who's your celebrity crush i mean well it's my wife for sure who i lust after but now like you know there's of course like you go out in the in the world and especially now where like usually at this time of year it's like sundressville in new york city so you're like you're like jesus christ this is insane there's so many subway grates everyone just maryland

yeah yeah even me my my kilt blows up you see my awful dick i like do a triple take to brenden saglow eating a hoagie over yeah over a great he's just sweating eating a fucking dick-shaped food and his hair is just like fluttering just a little bit in the breeze and i'm like hey what's so bull um i mean i have uh and not to mention my wife and i like were the only people we've slept with for a really long time so like, you know, celebrities all over the place. I mean, those are, you know.

Who's your wife's a celeb crush? Like, who's her hall pass? It's a good question. I don't know. I, she, when we were kids, it was Jeff Timmons from 98 degrees. Not even the Lechay brothers. Yeah. Not even Lechay.

No, just the fucking quefe, you know, the third quief. The third quiff. Now, I don't, I don't really know who she, who she's, who she's, super into and honestly i'm i'm like you know i think it's just everybody i think it's just everybody that's hot on instagram and you know i i'm i was super into uh selina gomez for a little while it like it shifts but like i i also like adult women um okay i wasn't going to say anything yeah i was super into selina gomez but then she left disney show I loved her character.

I loved her acting skills. And then she got boobs and it got weird. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like, maybe M. Rata until she starts, you know, giving her opinion. What a dippy broad that chick is, huh? Saying like, did you see the fat Jew thing that just came out? where she was arguing with comedians over whether or not original thought exists and whether or not Fat Jew built his empire on other people's work and she's like, I think it's time for you to kind of frame originality and ownership

in the internet age a little differently. And it's like, okay, cool, lady, I'm going to use one of your pictures to promote my anal lube then. Same thing. What? How much did he pay her off to do that? Well, she's like, he's like, weirdly enough, he's the smartest person. and I know it's like both your parents are college professors what are you talking about that is so weird

and comedians are just going to tear her apart yeah I think I mean that's already kind of I'm trying to think of like I follow a bunch of like hot celebs and so those always pop to the top do you realize how face tuned the photos are to guys like they can't process it oh yeah I mean I'm not even looking at like faces I love men's I'm really, I'm like a Latina guy though I mean my wife is Italian so she's like white Latina It's basically the same thing but um spicy but yeah yeah yeah I like empanadas oh I love it who is your who's your celeb crush because you're like kind of in that world so like have you brushed with people that you once had a crush on that you're like oh shit now I have access I feel like you'd appreciate this but I joke that Derek Jeter is my ex-boyfriend because I like met him at an event like three years ago

and we started talking for whatever reason he like was comfortable with me and I brought up like oh I used to play sports and I quit like he had just retired and I was like is it weird like what are you up to and he's like I've been golfing and I'm like I love golf we had like a legitimate conversation and he's been my biggest crush since I was like eight years old yeah like my whole he's never I'm Derek Jeter is love my life and then I was looking at all his exes and I convinced myself that like I'm his type like I think you are I mean, I'm brunette with brown eyes. And then I realized he married a girl named Hannah, who's my age. And I was like, if a couple things just would have been twisted differently. If string theory got, got, you know, somehow tangled. It would have been you, Hannah. But I also think what I've learned in this industry is that these guys that when you're younger that you put in a pedestal and I've learned from my life experiences, just because a guy's famous or successful or rich, most of the time that means they're terrible humans. Yeah.

And, like, the athletes, like, they're all going to cheat on you. You don't want to date a professional athlete. I mean, this movie stars, they're all such narcissists. They'll put you in therapy for years. And, like, so I'm at the point where I just want to find someone who's, yeah, like, what you described, who's, I know, who has their own passion in life and that I can do nothing with them and talk shit with them the rest of my life. Right. And a lot of rich, hot, famous guys are not that person for me. Oh, Halsey.

that's that's one that just came to the top of my top of my head I find her wildly attractive as I'm sure everybody does but she's smoking hot but she's you have a type I like your type you've you've good taste yeah um to wrap this up I like to ask everyone kind of what advice would you give to my little devils um on how to cope with your hell like what do you do when you're going through hell to survive um I work out so that for me like being an ex-athlet, I shunned exercise for a long time after I quit basketball. I was like, all right. It's called like a gym strike. A lot of people do it. Oh, really? Like, you miss the team. You, you were getting yelled at and forced to work out for so long.

So you're like, no one can make me do shit. Yeah. So like a lot of people go on a gym strike after playing. Weirdly enough, it took me listening to James Taylor on Mark Maron's podcast. James Taylor, soft spoken since yesterday, moan. And he's like, he's like, yeah, you know, I just got to, I just. got to exercise my Viking inside and I'm like James fucking Taylor has a Viking inside of yeah and I was like well I must have a capital one Viking inside of me that is just you know

screaming and dying to get out and I went back in the gym like that day I was also watching Friday night lights and looking at Taylor Kitch's body and being like I want that and so I was like I got back into the gym and I was like oh this is immediately having an impact on my mental health. You're like I want Taylor Kitch inside of me? I want to see, that's the thing. I don't want him inside of me. I want me inside of him, but not in a sexual way. I want to wear him for a while.

I see that. I see that. What kind of workouts do you do? What's the best thing to just get your mind quiet and feel yourself again? So honestly, my closest thing to meditation is playing basketball because it's the one thing that I've ever done, even with comedy. It's the one thing I've ever done with while I'm doing it. it's my singular focus.

So there's nothing else going on. It's all I can think of. Every part of my brain is functioning on a basketball level. When you do comedy, your brain is fucking, you know, it's constant gears. It's shifting. It's reading people. It's reading other people. It's memorizing material.

It's like what in the moment. It's constantly going with basketball. It's so singular focused and it's such a fluid thing. And the work doesn't bother me because it's fun. Like I can't run. I can't just go for a run. because that feels futile to me. I'm realizing that about me too.

Like everyone's like workout and I realized for the first time like I literally hate working out and never said that to myself before because even with tennis when I was doing like weights or cardio training, it was for tennis. So I had this like push. But yeah, I miss playing games. Like I would love to play basketball or play tennis because the world just those problems get so small and the only problem is like the person playing defense on you right now. Totally.

Yeah, yeah. And you get to. So I think yeah, find what like. you can feel lost in for a little bit and the fact you sweat it out is also just healthy. Yeah, boxing has helped also which now, you know, with quarantine

you can't go to the gym obviously. So I've been doing all resistance bands and like shadow boxing YouTube things. Like, you know, just anything to kind of like try to exercise a little bit of impact and rage and get my... Do you and your wife ever just go out it? Put a little headmask on?

Yeah, dude, she'd be fucking knocked out clean. No, actually my wife has like, she has absolute guns. Like, her arms are crazy. If I ever got hit solid by one of her fists, it would not be a good time. You're like, this is that I let up my rage. Just box your wife. Yeah, yeah.

Whoever wins wins. Yeah, we just put on a couple 12-ounce gloves and just let each other have it. That's how you do with every argument. You just go, okay, put the gloves on. Yeah, all right. Whoever gets the most clean punch wins. Well, Michael Shane Cannon, I'm so happy you came on Burning in Hell. where can people watch you, where can people follow you, and where can people listen to you?

So people can follow me at I Am Mike Cannon across all social media platforms, Instagram, Twitter. I'm not on Snapchat really anymore, but I do TikTok. That's at I Am Mike Cannon as well. YouTube, I got both of my specials up there, Mike Cannon Comedy, on YouTube. So I have two hours of material. I have shorter, more digestible clips. I have Irish Goodbye podcast clips, which is that's mine and Mike Feeney's podcast. that's up on free on iTunes, whatever, wherever you get podcasts.

Yeah, check out my search Hannah Burner, the Irish Goodbye podcast or Ish Goodbye podcast. Killer episode, one of our favorite guests, seriously. You really got it immediately and you jumped in with no hesitation, which we absolutely love. That means so much to me because I respect you guys so much as comics. Oh, thank you. Well, we have a new project as well, myself, Mike Feeney, and Brendan Sagalow. My baby. Hannah's lovely baby boy.

We have a Patreon exclusive podcast If you want to help support us financially through quarantine It's called What's the Scenario? We do a bunch of hypotheticals, what if scenarios, all that kind of stuff It's almost like a comedy obstacle course Where it's pure escape is fun We throw out a question and then we just go And it's the most fun I've ever had

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