Berner Phone - Nick Viall: Blowing Up & Glowing Up

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

Nick Viall explains feeling misunderstood, being a sex symbol, having 10 siblings, Peter Pan syndrome, being a worrier, his first season edit, not believing in soulmates, growing up religious, his passion for potato chips, and the time he slid into Olivia Munn’s DMs. Special offer for listeners get 10% off your first month of therapy at betterhelp.com/BERNING Join Hannah's Patreon to get bonus episodes and get added to her close friend's list on Instagram! Listeners get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/BERNING --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

One thing I learned is that the greatest gift that God gave us was free will. So if that is the greatest gift, then how can people always, like, with every fucking thing that happens, they're like, well, that's just how God wanted it, you know? Like, it was God's plan. It was God's plan for you to, like, fuck that hooker and get herpes? Like, no. Welcome to Burning Hell. what's up guys welcome to the dark angry scary depths of hell i'm your host hannah bernard

and today we are with my good friend i always pronounce your last name wrong but we're going to try it nick vial great we met a couple years ago i was interviewing you at betches we've butted heads a little but overall i think we respected each other um why do you say we why do we say we butted heads I was making fun to you and you were making fun of me, which is the root of a good friendship, I think. Sure. That's how I show affection. And then, since then, I heard that we have a mutual friend, Nikki Glazer, so let's get to the point. You were spotted in March at Sauce with her.

What's the deal? Is she pregnant? What happened? What's going on? I hope so. No, Nikki is a friend. Nikki, did you know she had a stand-up joke about you? yeah were you flattered i haven't heard it but i i understand the premises that she was trying to

have sex with me and and you respected her career yeah how could you i definitely did not say i mean i do respect her career for for starters but i don't think my response to her is we can't have sex i respect your career no i don't want to pull words in your mouth um but yeah she's a very cool chick i'm i hope i'm invited to the wedding but yeah the podcast is starting in light questions then it gets darker and darker um and if you cry it's okay i've we've all seen you cry before so it's fine yeah um also nick had me on his podcast asked nick when did you realize you were good at giving advice uh a long time ago you were amazing because you were like the simon cowell of advice like you were hitting people where it hurt so truthfully i don't i don't

Pull punches, but I will, like, I do it with a level of kindness. Friends are terrible at giving you relationship advice because they're either afraid to tell you the truth or they're projecting their own bullshit. True. And, you know, I don't have a soul or a heart. And so even with my friends, it's just kind of like, also, I think part of it is too. I just, I've never really suffered fools. and I'm a fairly impatient person in general. And I can be selfish.

And so when other people have their issues, I just like, listen, I don't have time to hear you whine and moan. Can I just tell you what's going on? And it's mostly self-serving, right? Because I don't want to like, I don't want to hear, yeah, you bitch forever. I was like refreshing to me because I was expecting some bullshit and you were just going straight to the point. And I think it's refreshing.

Some questions we're getting. you get so good at selfies? Because you're incredible. Am I? Yeah, the lighting, the angles, a little bit of enough humor that it doesn't seem vain. Something I haven't been able to figure out. Well, um, I do require great lighting. Um, I think if my bio wasn't tolerant person, it would be requires great lighting. I feel like everyone feels this way about themselves, but me in particular, I feel like I could be quite fetching or truly disgusting looking. Same. And so I, you know, find your light.

Very, very important thing in life. I mean. Wow, find your light. That should be the name of your upcoming novel. Your biography. Because you've had a glow up and you, I love that you make fun of it too. Like you went from being almost a reality TV villain. You were cute, but it wasn't like a.

sex, you know, you weren't a sex symbol. And now I would say you are a sex symbol, not to make you uncomfortable like a piece of meat. No, thank you. It's really been my only goal in life. Yeah, it's, what did you do? I don't really do anything. Not that like it's, there's been a lot of speculation. I got a tan. I got a haircut and I grew some facial hair. Yeah, people ask, Have you ever gotten Botox before? No, no. Just look up my parents, pictures of my parents. I get genetic.

I'm lucky. My parents, my mom in particular has given birth to 11 kids. And she looks really, really young. My dad even looks really young. But I got some wrinkles, you know. They're there. Look at you being all human and relatable. But, yeah, I mean, I've thought about this.

I do think for, I, I hit the ugly. a stage of my life when I was on the bachelorette without question. Are you just being like super judgmental of yourself because it was the first time you're on TV? No honestly it's just like again this is not to sound vain or unrelatable but like people like ask oh like Nick had said it's a glow up and the reality is like and I just funny that Nick and I talked about this like I don't remember a time of my life where I wasn't complimented for the way I look to the point where it became like too much of an identity and something I relied on too much at a younger age and then you were a cute kid kid I was cute in high school I always got attention for my looks right and then when I look at

footage of the bachelorette I'm just like what the oh god and then I and then even like two years before that I'm like why did I what what what what why didn't I go on then you know dumb luck I guess so you just had to go on again you had to show people with the real deal I guess um I guess what order are you in your family in terms of age of all the children i'm the second oldest what do you how do you think that's shaped you as a person growing up in a cattle of children what do you mean how do you think it affected how you deal with other people like having a household of i uh i've been spoiled like i'm the second oldest but i'm the oldest son and i've always been

very independent and self-servants so i have 10 siblings but i act like an only child I love you do act like an only child You know I've never I've never star for attention I'm my mom's favorite You know I've had a bunch of sisters around me And by the time my brother stood up seven years later I was kind of doing my own thing you know

How often do you answer your DMs Well what do you mean How often do you like scroll through and try to get through some Or how often do you like interact with cute girls Who slide into your DMs? Rarely If you're talking about the ratio, like, I rarely, one out of 500. Do you feel like you might be missing your soulmate in there?

No. Okay. He knows. I get a lot of like high from private accounts. It's like, well, listen, if you were shooting your shot, not the best approach. That was an air ball. That was an air ball. Also, I love you because you're from Wisconsin.

Do you remember I went to the University of Wisconsin? I do. You played tennis. I'm a bi-edger. You played tennis, yeah. I played tennis. Thank you. Look at you remembering details trying to flatter me. But I want to know when you were on The Bachelor, you were in Chicago.

What is the main, do you prefer L.A. life to Chicago in terms of like the dating scene? Not necessarily. It's just this is where I am and it fits my life now. Do you like it? I do like L.A. I mean, like everything else like has its annoyances, but I would be bored to death in Chicago. You know, there's definitely a Peter Pan syndrome in L.A. which for better or worse kind of fits my lifestyle. I only say that because, like, you know, it's the Midwest, right? New York and L.A. are different.

A lot of my friends are, not not, not, all of my friends are married with kids. I have one friend, I have two friends in Chicago who are, who are not married. One of them has kids. He's divorced. And so just, I just would be bored. I don't really go out much or party much anymore, but it's this different. But in L.A., you know, you don't feel a little. You don't feel so out of place, even though I definitely, I definitely don't connect with a lot of people.

Like, you know, I try to hold myself to a certain standard. You know, I'm not popping bottles or anything, but it's not, you know, there's, it is what it is, right? I mean, I really like Chicago. I love going home. I love visiting. Every place has had pros and cons. Yeah, you're missing the cheese curds. There's no good cheese curds.

I don't like cheese curds. It's like illegal. Oh, what? that's why we didn't get along now i remember thank you for even the squeaky ones when you bite it it makes a little sounds yeah i don't i don't like he's not impressed i don't like just cheese what about culvers love culvers okay good um you passed the beginning test that was just buttering you up now we're gonna be a little deeper if i fail do i if i fail do i just do you do you hang up on me no no um i make sure you don't you don't um i make sure you don't

don't fail, but it can be painful. But we're going to be in this together. So you're still single. You're 39. What do you think is your way? Why do we got to talk about my age? You're smurdy shmine. You look like you're 24 though. But I am not single and I am an adult. I think that's all the only really. I haven't even gotten to the question and you're getting defensive. We just edit that out. Just you're a 30, you're 30 and adult. I'm just kidding. Go God. LA has changed you. Oh, God.

That's my least favorite. Surprisingly, every time you break up of something, they're like, you're different. You're like, yeah, I don't like you anymore, and I used to. I've been getting that from friends recently, like, since reality TV, some people, like, you change. And some people go, you're different. I'm like, bitch, I'm still the same fucking person. I just have more followers and more people think I'm annoying. what is your way of sabotaging yourself that's a good question what is my way of sabotaging myself I don't give

things a chance anymore that was the saddest thing I've ever heard it's true when you say things you mean people or like new experiences relationships yeah relationships so you have an emotional other than that i i i don't really i don't really sabotize myself all that much uh but when it comes to relationships i have found that i have uh if i really think about all of the dating i've done i've i don't give many things a realistic shot so you kind of keep a surface level and don't open up is what you're saying uh to some degree i don't mind opening up i mean i'm pretty good at that uh yeah if you haven't noticed on TV but I guess it just part of it is situational yeah you know I but I probably could give things a shot but it's hard because I feel like my relationship is

my relationship status is a focal point you know most people don't really give a shot shit about me they care if they care about me if operative on the if it's usually like who might I be dating and as a result I've become I've become that much more private about it and as a result I feel like I'm less I'm I'm putting more I've put more pressure on myself yeah like actual relationship status yeah even my first kind of public relationship the amount that people care about it then makes you like overthink anything you get involved with because you know you're going to have repercussions in some way in the public or some kind of reaction. Speaking of, I didn't read it, but I did see a post from Us Weekly with you and

another guy. Making headlines, Hannah. I don't know. I was it good press or bad press? I mean, if there is such a thing as bad press. Well, basically on the TV show, this guy and I, we hooked up and I may have made some noises from the bedroom. And I watched it with my parents and I was like laughing about it on Instagram and I guess that got picked up because me and my parents we do everything together and that's what families for um thank you for keeping up on my life though I appreciate that um it kind of kept up on me because I wasn't looking and then it was just like you're like no I didn't want it maybe it's the algorithm you know like you text me and I was speaking he's like well you know here you go they know they know what you're interested in um now it's delve in to

What is your biggest physical insecurity? Keeping my hair? It looks similar. Yeah, it looks like it's staying on. Yeah, you know, we take a lot of vitamins, you know, it's put it this way. It's a, it's not, it's never not on the list of like worries, you know, I'm a worrier by my nature. I'm vain. I'm not, you know, like I, you know, what can I say?

Uh, so I hope to keep, I hope to continue to keep it. Yeah. Would you say that you suffer from anxiety? Yes. How did you cope with it during like putting yourself on a television screen to get judged by everyone? Honestly really only, no, you don't really think about that, but the anxiety was mostly in the, the last stages of the bachelorette when it really narrows down and becomes more serious.

You start like actually feeling real feelings. and get really confused, and it's a very stressful time. The first half is mostly kind of fun. There's some drama. Like, you're just kind of figuring it out. Did you feel upset at your edit for a season? I wasn't thrilled with it, you know. Because I've known some people that get real dark.

They'll be like, I got suicidal. Like, I couldn't get out of bed for months. No, honestly, I was lucky in that. I was a little older when it happened to me. I had a very strong support system, both with my family, my friends, and even my job at the time when I worked at Salesforce, they were incredibly supportive both to let me go on the show. And as the show was airing, just super, super in my corner.

And the reality is, is I didn't have the best edit, and I was certainly the villain of the season on Andy's season, but I'll tell you what, when I still went out in public in Chicago, I was still treated like a rock star for a second. So, I mean, it was like how much can you really feel that bad? The internet wasn't what it was, but it was still pretty prevalent. I mean, certainly people were pretty harsh with me on Twitter. But I guess I just strangely had at least enough of perspective to realize, like, these people don't know me who they are.

And when anyone met me in public, they always had a much positive. a more positive reaction to what they might have thought about me on Andy's season. It was honestly, just take the good with the bad. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there was still a lot of benefits from it. And that's just the reality. Like when you... You saw the big picture.

Yeah. And probably one of the smartest things I ever did was not complain that much. You know, what are you going to do? Like, you can't take yourself that seriously. So you kind of relinquished control of how people felt about you and were able to just, like, stay in your circle of people who you felt understood you but also to a certain degree most of my life at some level i've never oh i've never felt totally understood um i've i've had times in my life where i've been very popular i've had times in my life where i was

bullied uh but i've never even when i was popular i was never without criticism and I always felt most of the time that criticism that when I would hear it I didn't feel like I was really understood and maybe that helped prepare me for the criticism of the show I think sometimes people have the hardest time is when they've never really faced adversity and then shit happens on that level and they just can't handle that wow you hit the nail on the head

I feel like a lot of really good licking people go on who have just kind of been treated well their whole life. Everyone just laughs at all their stupid shit they say because they're hot. And no one calls them out in their bullshit. And then Twitter takes them down and they don't know how to handle it. But yeah, adversity is so important. I mean, whether it was I played sports or like, you know, I've always been just enough of a dick in my life to get criticism. I mean, and I, and I don't mean that like I'm, I'm a rector. You're really nice guy. And I think if you get to know me, I'm, I like to be as generous as possible.

but I like you know same with again it serves me what like the questions with Nick or ask Dick I'm always been directed I've always been pretty honest and I just I lack and sometimes that comes from a lack of patience and empathy on my part and sometimes I'm actually trying to do the right thing but yeah just because you're sociopath doesn't mean you're a bad person you know yeah I'm also like incredible I've also most of my life at times have been incredibly aloof and is that a defense mechanism? I don't know it's like it's like anxiety no it's just be me being a heady person and having ADD and anxiety and so when you're tall and if some people find you to be attractive

they equate that to you're a dick I think you you hit the nail on the head I have some friends who are really pretty and they have really bad anxiety and they're quiet and people be like she's a bitch and I'm like no it's just her resting face and she was actually just worried what you thought about her my resting gaze is pretty unpleasant I mean I'm often not worried about what you're thinking about me I just don't care and I'm off in some world what are you anxious about typically like what kind of stuff triggers you can't even I don't know sometimes I can't even point it out mostly it's you know quite honestly most of my anxiety is and I and I actually believe

this to be true for most people most of it is like pretty you know it's based off your ego, you're, it's usually selfish thoughts. I have less anxiety when I, when I think about others than when I think about myself. Same. I also think people who are smarter have a lot more shit going on in their brain and it can cause more anxiety sometimes. What do you typically do when you're dealing with anxiety? What kind of calms you down besides, I think ask Nick is a cool thing that get your head out of your own ass but that doesn't help my anxiety but uh i've always been an active person i do work out um i mean my anxiety was the reason why i started my essential oil company natural habits to help with my anxiety my sister is a holistic nutritionist and

she recommended it and i started using it reluctantly and it really helped and it's awesome it just kind of it helps center me you know in a sense of like it's there's an aromatherapy element it does help calm you. I don't like taking medication for it. And I'm not saying, you know, and essential oils, quite honestly, it has a bit of a, I can have a bad rap. And, you know, like the multi-level marketing companies of it all, like, have unfortunately positioned it as like a snake oil because sometimes what they do with essential oils is over promise, what it can do. What it is is, it's a great aromatherapy. It really, you know, it helps relax you. It does have properties that can certainly help with headaches and help you relax.

It's not a drug. Do you have certain sense that you recommend that you like love daily? We specialize in blends, yeah. Oh, cool. We have four blends because the idea of my company is to try to make it simple for the average person who like doesn't blend them all. Your apartment must smell amazing. It does.

Well, that's another thing like, you know, diffusing essential oils is a much healthier option for yourself and your family than candles. or for breeze or plug-ins. Cannabis. I'd probably support more than, you know, candles or, or any, anyway. So that's, that's what I do. I use essential oils. It just kind of help just, and part of it is just like you, you see it, you apply it,

you breathe, you focus on your breathing, and you just relax and, you know, try to change your thought process. So I've noticed that I don't think it's a coincidence that you've become so successful from your original just appearance on the bachelor do you what drives you to be so hard working to like have your own business put yourself out there as a personality because you don't you could just do instagram ads if you wanted yeah uh i could i don't know for how long so part of it is like this is great now but what happens in 10 years you know uh i quit a job that had there's no guarantees in life but it had a career path that could have potentially had some sort of security,

you know, give or take, me fucking up or like the economy or, you know, shit happening. But for 30, 40 years, you know, I think anytime you have an opportunity that I had, it's important to take advantage of the short term, but also build for the long term. So, yeah, I mean, again, that's where worrying anxiety helps, you know. Yeah. Like, oh, this has been really great, but like, I don't, how, this can't possibly last. Yeah, a little bit of anxiety is. great. I spent a lot of time, you know, thinking about it. And again, I was lucky that when

I moved to LA, I quit a really good job. Yeah. I quit a really good career. And so I knew what I was giving up. And there was no point in me quitting. If I couldn't try to build off of the security and success, I was leaving behind. And I've always been a worker. So I wasn't looking to quit my job, but moved to LA to party. Yeah. You know, that wasn't the goal.

And I use it as a platform to try to, you know, everyone, you know, most not everyone, but a lot of people like the idea of being their own boss and building something from the ground up. And that's been fun to do. And quite honestly, it's been fun to do things, sometimes fail, sometimes succeed at things I never even imagine I would try.

Yeah. They say the biggest addiction They say the biggest addiction Next to heroin is a monthly salary So it's hard to let go of that security I know three years ago You were talking to me about how like you were interested In getting into acting and stuff

And I've noticed your Instagram has had very quality comedy videos And I know you've been doing commercials And you've had some like spots in different films and stuff How's that going for you? Because I haven't checked in on that It's going well I mean I did a I was in a show called a coop that was a funnier die production had some really talented people like tony hale in it and

brian husky and uh nor fitzpatrick directed it um and that was really cool i did a family guy cameo no yeah i saw that that was just a quick beat but uh yeah i mean i still work at i still study it's still a focus of mine i'm very fortunate enough to again uh support myself and have my you know, feet in different fires so that I can invest in my acting career while not panic about not making money from it. Yeah. And I can play the long game. And I'm on a very fortunate position that way. So yeah, it is definitely a focal focal point. And it's something that I'm always working on. And I'm fortunate enough to turn down opportunities that I feel are more stunt castier or just are going to get me on TV, but aren't good. Like, I think,

think when it comes in my theatrical career, it's very important for me to build credibility. So that's a big focus. So that's a very slow and long game process. Hell yeah. And yeah, if you want to do it the right way, you can't just take the next hacky gig that just gets you some notoriety when you want to get respect. But it sounds like you know what you're looking for. Do you ever get annoyed giving relationship advice? Like you ever just like, I don't fucking oh figure it out love is confusing uh no i mean i like giving advice but sometimes i get frustrated when people ask for advice but they're not interested in listening oh yeah i actually i had a friend call me up who asked for relationship advice about a relationship she's asked me for advice before

and it's always like every month and a half i hear from her and this particular time she just like i was like why are you calling and i kind of got annoyed with her uh and i was i started raising my voice i'm sorry i'm yelling at you but like what what the fuck like you're like i broke my phone and she she just kept asking it was like so is it okay if i ghost him i'm like i i when did i say yet when did i say you should ghost him ever just tell me you don't want to hang out anymore which i i don't and so like some uh i it's hard it's hard to help anyone who's not interested in helping themselves um and i i don't have a ton of patience for that it's like let me tell you this thing and then like you can give me some advice like if that's the

advice you want call up your girlfriend who will tell you what you want to hear but i'm not that guy the straight shooter yeah so okay that's the only time i get frustrated but generally i i i like social dynamics i like um it's fun for me i'm i like breaking things down where are you meeting girls now to date like anyone else just in the library just when they're picking out a book you say hey do do people meet people at the library I say same way everyone else the internet you know Instagram um you know out parties not now do you think you've gotten better at choosing women do you think you've gotten pickier as you're older I definitely have not gotten better but um I'm a little bit more mine well I I don't again that's

Part of the reason where I don't, you know, you get, when you, you, you become more aware of what you want and what you don't want, and sometimes you can get in your own head. And as a result, you know, there's a difference between hanging out with someone and investing quality time. So sometimes like, I mean, hanging out with, you know, let's say this particular person, like, yeah, let's hang out. You seem cool. I don't think you're my person, but like, fuck it.

Let's go out. I'm not sacrificing any energy. I mean, the alternative of us hanging out is me, like, rewatching a TV show. But with that, you know, that's not always black and white. Yeah, 100%. And I do think definitely in this age of, like, men and women who both, like, I have a career that I care about. I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily need a guy. So occasionally you'll see a good-looking guy that you know is not husband material.

But he would definitely be fun to grab a drink with. think that is okay have your fun yeah it's like you see a guy and you're like i'm pretty sure he's got a really good dick and um he'll probably destroy me physically and more importantly emotionally he'll definitely ruin my life and that's okay because i i'm self-aware but but get the dick you know yeah um if people yes um if you went to a psychic what would you want to know about your future nothing okay i don't I'm definitely one of those people who, like, I don't want to know. So you've never been read by a psychic?

Isn't everyone a psychic in L.A.? Yeah. I mean, there was a time on The Bachelor that did tarot reading cards. Oh. It's like a defense mechanism to, like, mock the fortune teller or whatever, the psychic. It's like, oh, really? But I don't want to know. And honestly, I don't believe in that bullshit.

I don't. Do you believe in horoscopes? What's your sign? I'm a Libra. Okay, we're cool. We get a lot. Do I believe in horoscopes? No, I believe, I do believe that there are personality types.

Sure, I mean, like, I can get on board with the fact that maybe the sun and the moon and the stars and when you're born can affect your personality. But I don't believe that it in any way predetermines your life or make choice. choices and so you don't believe in soulmate either do you not no no it's the thing i don't believe in the most you're like my number one disbelief i mean i agree i think there's so many different loves in your life that you can have and it's about you deciding what you want for the period of time i'm i'm a i'm a big believer that uh the people that that that fate is an excuse or a reason to justify people's mistakes or actions that are not prepared to deal with, or sometimes just dumb luck.

I love you dropping the truth bombs. Wow. Sometimes shit happens. Like, it sucks. And it's a coping mechanism. Yeah. Well, it's also people use fate to explain their anxiety sometimes, like, to be like, well, this happened because of this.

Sometimes it didn't happen for any reason. You just have to believe that we're all leaves in the wind, you know? I just probably not a religious podcast but it's it's funny I grew up very religious and when I say that I I find that I sometimes offend Christians or other religious people well this is a satanic podcast so there you go and I I find that fascinating because one thing I I grew up very Catholic I'm very well like I'm very comfortable with priests and church and nuns and I had a great experience with it and I went to church every Sunday into my 30s I'm a I've been very devout I've said thousands of rosaries in my life you know all these things that being said like one thing I learned is that the greatest gift that God gave us was free will right so if that is the greatest gift then how can people always like with every fucking thing that happens

that are like, well, that's just how God wanted it, you know? Like, it, God, it was God's plan. It was God's plan for you to like, fuck that hooker and get herpes? Like, no, like, that's, you did that.

And that was not God's plan. And you might learn something from it. Like, like, wrap your dick next time. Because like, then you don't have to, like, but like, no, you did that. And God gave you free will to like, you know, figure that shit up. That was a beautiful analogy.

I loved that. I, uh, I don't quite understand. So it's like, yeah, you made a bad bet and you lost all your money. And that was in no way, God's plan. Like, it was God's plan. You know, I'm just, I'm just a vessel for God. Well, yeah, it's bad when people use it as to be like hypocrites or like enable all their shitty decisions.

Yeah, I don't, I don't like when people use God as an excuse or as a weapon. But preach. I don't know. Amen. Yeah. We're going to go. we have two more games left um the first game is called heaven or hell so tell me if these situations are heaven or hell and why heaven or hell first one i just want to point out how

amazing i was at setting up that transition honestly spectacular two true podcast hosts here you can tell we're professionals people um living in new york city heaven or hell heaven why i fucking New York City. But right now, it's a little more entertainment focused in L.A. for you? Yeah. I mean, living in New York has always been my dream. But it's just, I don't know if I'll ever live there. You know, maybe I will.

But it just, it doesn't seem to make sense right now. It's got to ask you. It's got to be weird because the beauty of like right now, like L.A., you know, I live in Venice. And so it's a nice, you know, with all. this quarantine stuff going out. It's still sunny and nice and like I get outside and take walks and I can still work out outside. And quite honestly, like, yeah, the vibe is different like on Abbott Kinney and in those places. But it doesn't feel that weird. I mean, that's like, restaurants are not open and, you know, but the beauty of New York is the energy you feel from the

people out and about. And like you don't have that. It is really scary right now. It's really So I got to assume like everything that makes New York, New York is not New York right now. Stay in L.A. is what I have to say. Yeah, it's, it's scary. It's sad. It's depressing because, yeah, the energy and the opportunities and the excitement of just everything's happening at once is not happening. And everyone's just alone and they're like one bedroom. But I'm lucky I'm in Long Island with family right now so I can go for walks. But it's New York City. I'm sending my love. Dating a Bachelor contestant. Heaven or Hell? Um, neither. I, I, for me, for me, hell, I'm only going to say hell because I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't do that anymore. And I kind of go against it. And not because there's anything wrong with that. It's just, uh, you don't want to like relive the whole thing through that person, maybe. No, I just not into casually dating someone from Bachelor Nation. So I haven't met anyone or been introduced to anyone from the show that I thought I might marry this person. Oh my. God, I don't care. I don't care. But I'm just, it's not for me to like, I'm not interested in casually dating somewhat and having rumors spread and hooking up just so like, you know, I just don't think that's, that's just not for me right now. But there's a lot of great people in Bachelor

Nation and I'm friends of a lot of people. Yeah. So you feel like. More than eligible and wonderful women. When you start talking to someone, you get annoyed if like for the rest of history, your name is with their name on some like articles and stuff and that's irritating. Yeah, part of it yeah so like if it's just a matter of like looking for someone to hook up with i can you know i'd rather i'd rather shop outside of that store that makes sense okay you have to be on another reality show which one would you be on uh in what capacity um one season but i'm saying like as a host or a cast member or to be on i think i could successfully dominate any of them I mean, you are good at playing games, I could tell.

Big Brother sounds interesting. I haven't seen it, but the way it was described to me is, you know, situational things that you try. There's a, you know, that could be fun. I could also see you on like a million dollar listing on Bravo as like if you were real estate agent and just like talking shit and, you know, on the grind and having opinions on the other reality. I mean, other real estate guys. Maybe like real housewives or something, but like not as like a husband of a housewife, but I just want to be like the friend. Like honestly, like I would love to give all the housewives dating advice.

That would be amazing. Have you had any on your pod? I had, uh, uh, Megan King. Megan Edmonds King. Oh, yeah. Megan King. She's cool. She's nice.

Very nice. Well, if you ever need any Bravo connects, you know who to hit up. Um, Margaret Joseph's, I had her on my podcast. Hers was interesting. she cheated on her husband with the contractor and ended up marrying him and I basically was like do you regret it and she was like no I married the guy I was meant to marry at that time and I met the love of my life for now and I was like I respect that life doesn't have to be a storybook that everyone it's the same for everyone yeah okay now we're swerving a little bit heaven or hell choking in the bedroom uh I'm I'm a huge fan of that. I don't like to be choked. I will say that.

I'm not... Yeah. Okay, heaven or hell? Living alone on an island with just goats. Just goats? Yeah. Hell? You're a social butterfly?

You know, interestingly enough, I'm described by people, some people, as an extrovert, Some people is an introvert I don't really know There's often I like being I love being like the reasons I like in New York I love I like going to a movie theater

to feel the energy of the drama or the laughs or you know Depending on the you know I like I do like crowds to a certain degree I also sometimes fucking hate people You know

Sometimes I like going to a party And not talking to anyone Or like just talking to one or two people. Yeah. It just depends on how I feel. But I don't like being alone all the time, you know. I think honestly single people are thriving more than they like to admit during these

quarantine times because, yeah, would they like to have someone? Sure. But they might be like FaceTiming and like the sex thing is going way up. And like everyone's just like, you know what? Fuck it. Here we go. Like I'm just going to blame it on Corona. You know?

Start an only fan's account. Pay your rent. But you know what people aren't experiencing right now that a lot of single people struggle with is FOMO. Mm-hmm. You know, like half the time I have anxiety or like get down on myself or being single would be like on a Friday or Saturday night when I actually don't want to go out,

but I'm on Instagram and I'm seeing people like the perception of them having fun and then you feel this FOMO and you're just like, oh, you know. I haven't like looked at anyone's Instagram. And over a month, and, you know, they're all doing the same fucking shit. I'm not, like, missing out on anyone. It's almost like this feeling of peace that I've never felt before. And I really do love it. I feel like for a second in the beginning, everyone was like,

you have to work out every day and you have to create and you have to, you know, solve the theory of relativity. And it's like, everyone calm the fuck down and do what makes you feel sane and healthy. Final question, this is a not having our hell, but would you rather never be able to take your shirt off or never be able to grow a beard. I laugh at my own questions. It's a strong, it's a strong, it's a strong finish. I know, uh, TV has become made me insecure about my face. I, I, I, I've, most of my life, again, I haven't had a beard. And most of my

life, I've been complimented. And then I grew, grew a beard and everyone's like, oh my God, you're like so much hotter. Like, don't ever shave. I've literally have had dreams of that I've accidentally shaved my beard and woke up in a panic. Oh, wow. Yeah, I noticed that about you that it's your thing. I think it's pretty clear that I photograph much better with a beard. But I think in public, when I have a couple times I have shaved my beard in the past couple years for situational things.

And people have been like, you look great, you know? And I'm like, oh, thanks. But I've definitely become insecure about that. I have no desire to take my shirt off, to be honest. I mean, here's the thing. uh you uh how you started the podcast i am aware like here's the thing i'm aware like if i was never on tv and i didn't have an instagram i wouldn't i wouldn't take pictures of myself you know before before instagram or even having a following the only time you saw pictures of me is when i had a

girlfriend because she would take fucking pictures and you would know like i would break up we would you know nick didn't have a girlfriend anymore because he would just fall off the like the internet you know I'm still going on having fun but I like I was always a girl but like let's take a picture like I would never I never fucking do that and now you know like you know you gotta give the people what they want you know it's not my fault I post a picture with my hometown friends and people like literally don't like it so it's like you know and then if they post a selfie and then they like they literally ohmg love it it's just like well you're making me do this yeah the algorithm is forcing you I don't care I mean like my Instagram I

is a my platform I treat it like a business and I'm you know if respect if I have to if I have to get good at taking selfies then you know whatever I'm aware of of how it looks and therefore I try to add a little bit of self-awareness I don't want to say your age but you are um in your 30s and you probably had a bunch of different relationships how often do you stop and go through your rolodex to think which one should I start back up again that I might have you know grown out of and want to try again there's always a few maybe you know that you're like oh she was cool you know what happened to her um no I mean listen I I I strongly believe that while it's taking me a long time and again we get back to like I've certainly made decisions in my life

that have not put me in a great position to find the relationship I'm working for. Going on The Bachelor. If it had, it could have worked. It didn't for me. But, like, I dedicated a better part, like, of a half a decade going on and off. And then attempting to go after relationships that ended up not being right for me. And in between that, like, it's not easy to meet someone. Yeah.

With a lot of questions about it. And it was all new to me. And, you know, and there's a period. of quite honestly enjoying the experience yeah been like you know what it's pretty cool you know um but they've also had enough of a relationship to be pretty clear in what i'm looking for and it's actually quite simple is that i you know uh the dream is to find someone that you're just as excited about having a conversation with as you are about having sex with yes and uh i really like having, I'm a talker. And, uh, I value both a lot. Yeah. I think it's finding someone

that, yeah, when you're on a couch with and you're just shooting the shit, that time is enjoyable. And because that's what most relationships are is just an ongoing conversation of nothing. Yeah. But a physical relationship, I know that is fleeting and dies down is a very important part of me. And again, there's other variables and there's connections and it's how some made me feel or how I made them feel but I feel pretty confident that I'm not too picky and maybe you know that I just haven't

it hasn't lined up quite yet but I'm optimistic you know same zies same zies time to wrap this up with our final game The Seven Deadly Sins. You're doing great this is going to be a fun one Seven Deadly Sins What are you greeting?

about my time well I appreciate you for coming on and um for rescheduling seven times with me today um yeah I just I don't like to waste my time and I don't like to waste other people's time and time is uh time is the time is money not only that but it's just like you can't you can't get that back you can always make more money uh can't get back time um what am I greedy with um potato chips what flavor just regular I mean here's the thing

I have a very strict potato chip and you could say fries too but like hot take and maybe like controversial I do like a I think a good potato chip is better than a fry wow you guys heard it here first I do love fries

but but I'm not a section eater so I like a ratio between like whether it's a burger or a sandwich I like a good like bite chip fry ratio So what I'm saying is if we're on a date and we're going out, I will buy you 800 bags of chips, but don't fucking say like when I ask you like, do you want it? Can I, you want a bag of chips? No, no, no. I'll just have some of yours. No, you fucking won't. Um, do you put chips in the sandwich? Chips in the sandwich at all? No, no. I mean, I would. It's not bad. But I like, that's going to make it soggy most likely. And I like a crunch is a very important part for me. I like a good crunch. I don't know why I love how you speak very passionately about anything you talk about

I am nothing if not opinionated okay next question who are you envious of a lot of people everyone why why everyone I mean I think everyone is I actually was talking about this with Ben Higgins

when he was a guest in my podcast well probably last week shameless plug I mean listen if you have any kind of ego and you and you are a driven person and you want things it's hard not to have moments of envy um I'm a very lucky person and I have a lot of great things going for me in my life and that's not lost on me but I don't have everything and I'm definitely someone who suffers from the problem of always wanting more. And, yeah, I can be a very envious person. I'm thankfully very self-aware of that.

I'm quick to call myself out when I feel that way. So, yeah, there are like a lot of people. Ben Higgins was, we talked, like, there's things about him that I get envious of him and he gets envious of me. And I think that's the important part is like, every time you're worried about, or you're envious of someone. You have no idea what's going on in their head or what they're envious about.

And sometimes it's mutual and most of it is in your head. And we're all just very, we're all just selfish narcissistic people who are so consumed in our own lives. I like, what is everyone think about me? Literally nothing.

They're too busy worrying about themselves. Whenever I get too stressed, I always tell myself, no one cares about you. No one cares. The best advice I give to people who go on the bachelor is i mean this in the nicest possible way but no one gives a shit about you no one not not the way you

think they do and they certainly won't remember the way you expect them to remember uh you're not that important um and i always say we're all playing single player games so factor that in um when was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger i'm not i'm not a temperamental person i'm a pretty chill person um so when i do get mad it's i don't like that feeling um i don't like feeling out of control i this is people who just aren't using their head or or or like in a relationship if i feel like someone's only goal is to get me mad that usually works spite really pisses me off yeah also it's just like if i feel like i'm just like taking crazy pills i just get more frustrated i don't get like mad i'm just like i do i literally don't understand how you can think

this yeah uh but uh i'm a pretty mellow guy when was the last time you were a sloth so you had like a really lazy day i don't know a really lazy day i feel like you wake up early and you're productive and shit relatively yeah i wake up between like seven 30 and eight um i've been i've been indulging in substances lately so like I'm a little groggy in the morning and so like 8 o'clock if I sleep in online I feel like a real piece of shit

I will say well well I like the feeling of being productive I like you know I don't know but yeah I mean when NFL Sundays it's a good there's a good bet I'm not leaving my couch but even then I'm doing Are you a Packer fan?

I am yeah I definitely have lazy moments that's for sure look at you all relatable and shit you're like once I fell asleep on the couch eating potato chips oh totally like I'm just going to have lucky charms right now oh yeah when was the last time you let your pride to get in the way of something I don't mean to sound like an amazing person I'm just I'm a big believer in like I'm not

a prideful person I'm really not which is weird because I have a younger brother who is extremely prideful. And I just, I don't know. I just feel like maybe he got all of it and I got none of it. I mean, don't get me wrong. I got a massive ego and I try to keep that in check. And as I've gotten older, I've become aware of that. But pride, yeah.

And I think quite honestly, that's what allowed me to do what I've done on reality TV and have a sense of like, it allows me to have the podcast and just be honest and vulnerable and kind of be like, yeah, this is who I am. But I just don't know what pride really gets us. I'm sure I have. I mean, listen, I'm sure I have. I just don't really remember a time. I can be spiteful, you know?

Like, there have been situations where, like, on my podcast, like, you know, I'm lucky that it's grown and it's gained the recognition that it has. But sometimes with certain guests where it's just like, if, if they want to come on mine, but they don't want me on theirs, I'm like, fuck you, you know? And there's maybe a little bit. bit of pride there's there's definitely some ego there and it might be even be beneficial for me to do theirs you know because they have a successful one too but it's just like I think that's where my ego comes in um um but I again like if I if I thought

it would be really I also know my place too I'm aware of where I am at the pecking order I have no illusions about that it sounds like you're good at talking yourself off the ledge when you go too far with things or checking your ego at the door when you have to? Self-aware is a, I'm actually good at feedback. People like to think that I don't, I'm not good at admitting I'm wrong. I'm actually quite good at that.

I'm just, I'm very thoughtful in what I do. But I will, I'm good at admitting I'm wrong. And I like feedback and I like, I like to get better at things. And if I, if I wasn't open to feedback or admitting I was wrong,

I couldn't get better. It's important. Final question. When was the last time you lusted over someone? Every Monday? I don't know. Like, have you been on the internet? Like,

Wait, wait. Do you watch porn? Like. Okay, okay. Better question. Who's your, I know that like you've dated a lot of different type of people. Who's your like ideal celebrity crush? I don't really have one.

I don't know. But you love your nuts. I'm partial to them, but I like blondes. I used to have a crush on Alexander Adario. Not that I don't, but... But yeah, you know, she wasn't all too interested. But I once slid into Olivia Munn's DMs on his New Year's Day. I was actually quite

I was I'm just saying this because I honestly think people should use it yeah I was just like fucking honestly I didn't care I was just like a little she's not like

and I didn't slide it in her DM because I actually thought she was going to reply and not that like I mean I've I've slid into some DMs and that I was like I really was shooting my shot and then it went pretty well

and I was like really okay but and I didn't think it was like like not possible but I put my put this way I wasn't expecting her to reply and I simply just said and it was New Year's day and I simply just said I'm aiming high this year I'd be like I like that it's cute it's fucking great Listen, I put it This way.

I'm confident She didn't write back I'm confident she saw it though Like I love how like people who I have And you know like I don't know if she'll ever hear this or whatever And if she does I'm most certain that she would probably deny it That even seeing it

But I love how like I love how anyone with a following or like I don't check my DMs I don't read my DMs They everyone fucking reads their DMs Some more than others, but like you noticed the blue check mark, you know, whatever. She fucking saw it, right? And I'll say this much.

She had no interest in dating me. She probably laughed at the, at my even like thought that maybe there was a shot. But I tell you what I did, I made her smile and I made her laugh. It's a funny fucking- You're assuming that. You're assuming it. No, no, no. She could have been like repulsed by the idea of like being in the same room.

with me and she still could have laughed because it's a funny DM. But also it didn't have an open for her to like respond. It was kind of just a statement. Maybe she was like, I don't know what to respond to that. Maybe you said I'm aiming high this year. What's up? Maybe what's up. You don't have to ask for what up. Listen, here's how you slide into anyone's DM. I'm six, four. I don't have to say what's up. No, I need that. Like if you're sliding a someone's DM of the opposite sex, it's safe to assume there's a romantic interest. True. True. Like I think people make it weird when they try too much it's like if she's into you she'll find a way to yeah if she's if she was remotely interested she would have she would have at least

acknowledge that she saw it if she even wanted to fuck with me um she could have replied she wasn't remotely interested but um she knew what i was about she knew what i was about she got you she clocked you you're over it you check it every morning but you're over it i get it I know I know but it was uh that come on it makes but but point is like you don't like just say like be you know it was cute and it's a good story too it's a it's funny you just be like hey i'm aiming i'm aiming high this year it's flattering the happiest you've been the whole podcast no but it's like listen if you're going to if you're going to slide into someone's d have make them feel good about themselves uh say something that's going to be different than what they

normally here like she knows she's beautiful and every fucking guy's like you're so beautiful you know I love who you're going for Aaron Rogers X like I love that shit again I don't it wasn't really it was this for fun I kind of was this more like I just it was more like I had the the thought in my head and I just like yeah she's a she's as good as any person to send this message to yeah also if any you've met a shit ton of famous people in your life everyone wants love um to wrap this up The actual final question that I ask everyone on burning in hell is what advice would you give to people on how to cope with your hell? It's fine. Everything's fine.

Hell's probably not as hot as you think it is. I like that. I like that a lot. Isn't that the truth about life? I mean, this is coming from a warrior, but like it's never really never that bad. Yeah, when you look back, you're like, okay, you fucking drama queen. calm down everything was fine listen i again i say this is a straight white male who's had a very charmed life and but and there's highly self-aware there's real pain and suffering in this world

now more than ever but in a lot of cases we we make things worse in our head than they actually are you're right nick vial has an incredible podcast the vial files um also asked nick he's a personality on Instagram what else do you have going on where people can follow you and you know if you're interested in essential oils and you're not interested in supporting multi-level marketing companies and you are a big believer in quality check out natural habits at nh oils.com we specialize in blends so whether you're suffering from headaches or anxiety or you're looking for just a immunity support or just a bolt of energy we have a roll-on form we're 100% USDA organic certified, which most companies are, are not.

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That's right. So, yeah, check me out on the old Instagram. I love your content. It's hilarious. Like, it always surprises me in some way. I always think I got you clocked And then I'm like, oh, look at this one I've tried to embrace the crazy

It's a calculated crazy It's curated chaos, yes And also if you guys want to listen to me on Nick's podcast Go to Ask Nick, type of my name, whatever You can find it, you guys are smart My little devils Yeah, Nick Viall on Instagram And Nick, thank you so much

I appreciate so much You survived hell with me And I'll talk to you guys later Bye Bye Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.