Berner Phone - Sabrina Brier: Cringeworthy & Cool Delusion

Episode Date: July 20, 2023

Sabrina Brier is a New York comedian who plays “the girl who bullied you in high school who is trying to be an influencer” on her viral TikToks. She explains why she’s wearing a wedding ring, makes a bold claim about pizza, talks about childhood bullies, and why she embraces cringe. Come to my stand up shows: Tarrytown, Mashantucket, Westhampton, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Tuscon, Tempe, and more! Get tickets here!

Welcome to Burning Hell Okay, you guys, not to humble brag. You've been on my FYP from day one. Girl. Like, you've been on, I've seen you in these streets since day one. You guys have definitely seen her on TikTok. And you bring out a very strong emotion.

in me. And that's what videos are for, making someone feel something. Sometimes I want to kick you in the shen. Sometimes I want to strangle you up until the point of death and then being like, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. You're so fucking talented, so fucking funny. Everyone give it up for Sabrina Breyer. Hello. Hannah and I are matching. So this is a really big moment for us. We're both throwing white because we got a little bit of vitamin D for the first time ever and suddenly think that we're in San Josepay. We think we're in Santerpay. We're angels. We're like angels who came from heavens. Virgins. Yes. Absolutely. To St. Trope. Angelic innocent virgins on the beach. But we're actually in rainy, humid New York City. Are you from Connecticut originally?

I'm from Connecticut. Obsessed. Which is really unique of me. I'm really exotic. Yeah, it's something that when I tell people it stops them in their tracks. I'm from a suburb outside of New Haven. Okay. Pizza Capitol. Oh. Which is like, I know you're a New Yorker, so we don't have to open up those can of worms. No.

It will have been honestly, like, if we fight about this, it'll be like the third time I thought with the one this week about this. No, I've had this conversation before and I feel like they're like, oh, there's like a couple places that are really good. And it's close enough to New York that I believe them. Totally. Because it's obviously a New Yorker that moved. Up in arms about it. Yeah, it's not like a New Yorker moved there and did it, I think. Probably. It's, you know, it's like in this Italian area of New Haven. I mean, New Haven pizza really is amazing, you know, but...

Yeah, you're not from the South bragging about your pizza. So true. Do you think it's a conspiracy theory that New York pizza is good because of the water? Um... Did you think I was going to ask you this today? Well, you know what I'm also thinking about, though, is that I feel people typically say that for the bagels. Yes. Yes. But and the pizza. Do I think that could be... Made up? It never made sense. sense. Is it like that there's rat people living underground making the bagels? What is this water we're talking about? Are we, is it like magical water? Like what is what about the water? It's like is there just enough bad gross Hudson bacteria of like dead people that they used to throw in the Hudson like mafia stuff? I could say that I'm half Italian. Right. Is that what's in our bagels? By the way, I want to say I love how you you take this kind you love you take this violent angle with the

force and it really um it sends shivers down my spine and I really am into it because it's you're keeping me on my toes because I'm like at any moment I'll either say the wrong thing or she might kill me this is a Connecticut girl and a Brooklyn girl hanging out I'm like I'm like oh you're so see I love I smell fear I love it and I embrace it and I want to turn you like by the end of this you're gonna like have a face tattoo yeah absolutely absolutely and I love that I love to be kind of like strong-armed and domineered in any situation I can be. I'm obsessed with this. But I do have to say you've been strong-arming and domineering my TikTok algorithm.

But I have to say, you come up with so many creative ideas for types of friends. When did you decide that this was going to be the content you wanted to focus on for this time in your life? Great question. I'm Barbara Walters. Really? Okay. Yeah.

But yes. So, yes. When I started out, I, you know, the first time I went viral, which was, I guess, like two summers ago, it was a very New York-y type of content that I was going viral for. And I repeated that. Like, girl who moved to New York. Yes. Like, I was really focusing on that in the beginning. It was kind of interesting to, I mean, this is the beginning.

I'm just learning how to put myself out there, just learning what it is I want to put out there. and people, there were definitely a lot of people who didn't realize I was kidding, which is fine, and then it was satire. You should win an Oscar. Thank you so much. But you are like a little, you're so good at it that I have questions to ask. For sure, and we'll get into that. And you're not the only one to ask.

It's giving method actor to another level. Yes. And do I even really know the answer? Maybe not. But that was the beginning. So days you're just a huge bitch and you're like, I'm practicing my art. Yeah. It's called Minecraft. Don't come for me. And so that was kind of in the beginning was I was doing the New York content because I could just see that I was tapping into something. And then I think eventually when I got more comfortable and felt more like, okay, I'm going to kind of do a little bit more of what feels me. Then it turned into, I mean, it was kind of like, I feel like I was kind of focusing on the dating stuff and the boy crazy stuff at first. And then eventually,

I kind of ran out of it, and it really was just friends that, to me, is just this endless gold mine. And it's also just a reflection of my life right now. You know, I'm, I have a million of the most amazing, like, incredible women who I'm surrounded by. And I really just feel so grateful about it on a daily basis. And they, you know, we talk about career and we talk about dating and we're frustrated and we're, you know, that's what I'm drawing from is either their experience or my experience or someone we know or something that could happen or some kind of ugly feeling that we feel as we go about life in our 20s in New York and all the ways it's difficult. So I don't know, sometimes it really is just a genuinely frustrated, sometimes

angry, bitter feeling that my friends are discussing that the best way to kind of feel cathartic about it is to laugh about it and make fun of ourselves. Okay, that was so well said. Girl, I just stop. Interview's done. She hit every single point. Goodbye. No, that's amazing because I feel like friendship is so complex and the concept of being a good friend, people will throw it around.

You're like, you're my friend, you're not my friend, you're a good friend, you're a bad friend. When there's so many complexities about it. Yes. Because everyone has friends that on paper are such shit friends, but you love them so much because they're authentically them and you're like, we've known or since second grade. And they love you. Like, there's so many complications.

I remember I was in a situation where, like, people would play. And it was like, they were too old to do this, but they'd be like, yeah, you're not a good friend. And I'm like, what friend rule book are you playing from? Are we reading the same book? Yeah. Literally. And then also, it's like, it is like love languages. Like, my best friend, me, page, we, I think, are such good friends because we're not sensitive people.

We're like, if she calls me, like, I could literally have the most important thing happening to me. And she's like, I can't do it. Like, I can't be there for you. you, I understand her because I know where she's coming from. She loves me. And there's just total transparency. Yeah. And I'm not going to be like, and now I can't trust you ever because you got a UTI. And I'm going to remember this. And I'm going to remember this. And this is going in your file. And then there's some friends. I was talking about this recently where something happens drama with them. And you're like, oh my God, like I didn't handle that right.

She's so mad at me. And I have like a phobia of friends being mad at me. But then you'll see her do it to like 10 other people. And you're like, oh, no, this is her thing. She's testing me. And, yeah, there's no friend rule book. So I wrote down some really good ones. For people to understand if they aren't that familiar with your content. Okay. I did some of the work, E.T. phone home. Wait, where is it?

Sabrina. Well, the New York Times wrote an article about you, which is, like, classy as shit. Oh, my God, classy as shit. Were your parents, like, do they cut it out? Do they, like, put it on the fridge? Yes. They showed everyone at the bagel shop. The New York Times.

Parents love the New York Times. I love the New York Times now. I'm just kidding. I like to have before. I'm like, well, now I heard of that. Can parents see the tiny, like, script of the New York Times? Are they faking it when they read it? They, you know.

I think they're cosplaying. They're right. It's like, yeah. Because how is your phone, like, the script is so big, but then you're reading tons of little letters in the New York Times? You're like, did you guys read it? Or that's why it took them 12 hours. Look at the pictures. Look at the pictures.

Which are great. The photo shoot was so cool. Thank you so much. It was such an incredible. The photographer was amazing, and the journalist. We've become besties, and it was incredible and really surreal and kind of crazy. Gratitude. Thank you, NYT.

NYT. So what they described you as sometimes, like, the character you play is the girl who bullied you in high school who's trying to be an influencer. That is such a loaded, complex, layered statement. Were you bullied at all as a kid? Or were you the bully? I've had definitely mixed experiences. I was definitely when I was a kid, like an elementary school, I was a very small school. Everyone's up in each other's business.

Exactly, where it's like 20 kids in the entire grade. Like someone farts and like the whole neighborhood hears it. Everyone knows everything. Everyone is so bored because you have nothing to do but talk to each other. So, you know, like for example, my roommate who films a lot of my TikToks, who, I was going to say she does a great job. Mention in the article and she is incredible and she's a nurse. You know, we've been friends since that time.

And, like, I remember I used to go up to her, like, on the backtop and be like, I'm mad at you today. Because I wanted to spice things up. So I, yes, you could consider me. I was certainly the drama starter for, you know. And then, but I did actually, when I was in middle school, I, the tables turned. because I then went to public school and I brought that that small school energy and it was not fitting. And then I got, so I got kicked out of like the popular group and was really, but crazily

bullied. Is that not a canon event? Oh, absolutely. And sometimes it's like, do you ever like have that thing to where you're like, how much weight am I allowed to put on certain things where I was so little? And like all, because I'm still, I'm really good friends with a lot of the girls. who bullied me at the time and like we'll kind of like Joe it'll come up and I'm like yeah yeah yeah and I'll be like yeah yeah no it was actually I'm extremely traumatic and um completely reversed my

self-esteem my sense of self I've never been able to look at myself again about it it was it was so fun it was just seventh grade you know later in life and they're like oh I never really meant that and you're like oh yeah you think they've repeated into my mind every single day and chose a career base of trying to show you that I'm worthy totally Jessica yeah I'm like that's that's so cute That's so cute. One of my best friends was one of the bigger culprits in the event. And I remember one time we were like drunk and I was like, yeah. Like, honestly, ever since that happened, I, you know, never really realized what it was like to look in the mirror and hate myself and find myself to be ugly until what you did to me. And then it really, you know, changed things free. But it's so fine. Thank you for letting me see the world in a different perspective. Yeah. And I'm like, but we're best friends now. It's so fine. I don't care. I don't care. It's so fine. I also feel like you'll work with women in the world. workplace where you can tell, like, oh, you destroyed people's lives in middle school. Absolutely. That being said, though, I mean, sometimes. Some people's lives have been destroyed.

Should be destroyed. Well, I wasn't going to say that, but she said that. She said that. We're like the two angels, but you're the devil. I'm the angel. But then we'll have some reversals as well. No, but I like to say without rain, there's no flowers. That's my new thing. No, that's so true. And I love that. And I love that. I think that sometimes. I feel like you meet people where, or you hear about people having had those, you know, the bullying moments and being the perpetrators of that. And you're like, oh, but then you have people where you're like, oh, that's because like that was a time in your life when you were learning. You were so insecure by, you know, how the boys made you feel. And you were learning

how to navigate being a girl, which is the scariest thing at that age. It's a literal canon event. And then the girlies were not doing at the same time. Like I have low mosquito bites. Some girl honestly if you have big tits you're forced into popularity i think like i remember guys would talk about some of my friends like i don't see their boobs i'm just like she's kind like she's kind of boring like i don't like they're like they're obsessed with her and like she's obsessed with her and like she walks and i'm like can i how do i be more like her and she's sitting there just like you know twiddling her thumbs right and i don't realize it's because of her huge tits right and i'm like should i sit like she said should i like get how do i be that in math like she does and then you get older and you

realize, you're like, I need a guy to you. You're like, then you get older and you realize, like, it's not like it was all great for that girl either. No, they, and also they didn't always want that attention. I remember one girl, these guys were like, oh, we do is wait for her to, like, stretch in class because she would like stretch back and, like, go like this and just like her boobs. I never, and I thought like that poor girl did not ask for that. The things that these boys, now we're getting into trauma. The things that the, I literally went to a women's college because I said, No more. Oh, so you're a feminist icon.

Thank you so much. You're truly decentering men from your life, which is what I'm all about. I definitely have been on that journey. Are you engaged? That is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm sorry, I'm breaking. Because you are wearing. And I had this thought the other day where I had this ring here and I'm sweating all the time.

And so my finger got so big that it got stuck. Are men hitting on you so much that you need to wear this ring? You know, I do feel like I've been hit on a lot recently and maybe that's why. Oh, like because you have a ring on. Because people want what they can't have. And I'm getting married. We're playing two. Checkers, you're playing chess.

And I am getting, I'm getting married. And when I tell you this was $20 from a boutique and so-ho. I do have to say the wedding industry is so fucked up. Just go put $0.25 cents into one of those candy machines and put it on. Well, let's see yours queen. I actually am not wearing my wedding ring because it's giving me a rash right now. And so you're kind of tricking us about your status. My husband's like, won't you wear your wedding ring?

I'm like, I'm not walking around like I'm single. I'm like, so you haven't locked down the aisle yet, so there's still time for me to intercept. It's Speak Now era. Taylor Swift. I have this issue. Literally just did a podcast the other day. It wasn't about Taylor Swift at all. I said it was the can of worms.

It was opened up. Someone said one thing. I couldn't stop my mouth from just saying all this information. Some people online have changed their whole content to like just be Taylor Swift right now. It's wild. I mean like Jake Shane. Yes. Pussy passing.

He's past that pussy. He's my Taylor Swift news now. And he and he's good at, you know, being like. I like how he will talk about specific songs, you know, because I would rather have some of my for-you page be like, wait, can we talk about this? Like, why don't we talk about this song? And like, why don't we talk about this lyric? Then just repeating, like, generic things. And we're talking about the T. I'm like, the T is interesting. You have tricked me to talk about Taylor Swift right now. See, let's stop. Let's stop. Unless it's, if it's not a row we want to go down, we're going to have to detour right now. Because when I tell you it won't stop, it's a disease. We have to stop it. Let's pin it. It is literally like Chicken Box as a kid, which is a canon event.

It's funny, going back to your stories of when you were younger. Yes. My story was I had, I was like in a public school and everything was totally normal, like six, seventh grade. And I had like a good group of like four girlfriends who were like cool and funny and smart. And I'm like, I'm so lucky to have these girls in my life. But I was a tennis player. So I randomly got moved in seventh grade to go play tennis at this like school. And then got thrown to.

Florida to play tennis. So I kind of just, like, disappeared out of their lives. Fast forward, leave the Tennis Academy in junior year. In half of junior year, I get thrown into Beacon on the Upper West Side. So I'm not even like the new kid for the beginning of the year. In the middle of the year, I'm just sitting in history class raising my hand. Everyone's like, who is this bitch in the class? But I'm feeling cocky because guess who's at Beacon? My girlies from middle school or at Beacon. And they're the popular roles? I did not know. that they've become like and cool girls in New York City

how I explain it like they're doing like intense drugs they have tattoos everywhere they're terrifying they're terrifying they're like they're doing all these like charity things like in Honduras and then they're also like specifically Honduras and the Galapagos

at one point they were going to and they're also like dating like DJs and actors who are like 37 who are like another level of no they're terrible you see them on subway and I I I, all I want is their approval. No. Desperately.

And I remember being like, okay, the stars are aligning and we were like in art class and I go, oh my God. Girls? Girls. Girls? Girls. Yes. Who's back?

I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. They looked at me and they were like. What was their react? What were they? They were just kind of like.

Did they let you back in or you had to work for it? I was never fully accepted back in. Why? They were just kind of like, we've worked. really hard to get to the status in our life, and you're going to leave and then come back, like, nothing happened. And read the benefit. Because basically, like, they were friends with all, like, the hot guys and all the stuff. And I just kind of was like, what's up guys? And they were just like, hey. And I'm like, bitch, we used to watch Rugrats together before school.

Like, I remember, like, when you got your first period. Like, that stuff means stuff. It means so much. And, like, why, if I walk any person from, like, high school or whatever, who maybe we've never talked, if I see them on the street, I'll be like, hi. And I'll be like, Because I just feel so bond. Like, how do you not feel bonded to someone from, like, being a weird child with them? But also, I'm like, girl, like, you know me. Like, you know my middle school shit. And I know you.

And I was, like, low-key kind of, like, I was loud. So I was, like, kind of the ringleader back in the day. So I was like, Mommy's home. Mommy went on a trip. But I was. And Mommy came back. Like, mom went to rehab for seven years and she's back. But mom is back and better than ever.

Open your doors. I was a tennis player. Like, I was not, I wasn't doing drugs. I did not have any tattoos. And they were like, this is punk. This is punk. And I like didn't understand. But that's where I also learned, there's a canon event where you have to decide,

do I want to force friendships with people who clearly don't want to be friends with me? For whatever reason. Or like, lean towards the people. I ended up being friends with, like, the other athletes at Beacon who were like also funny. and like they fit way better for me but it was so weird walking down the hall and seeing these girls who like we'd literally take the train together from Park Slope yeah and they'd be like mm-hmm and then we'd get to school and I was like bitch and then I think too you remember those moments I always say like I hate that thing of like if you if you know someone

or sometimes like if I go to a like an influencery thingy and there's someone I'm like I'm the I'm the worst influencer influencer influencer but I I I am I'll go to a thing like that. And if it's like, maybe I'll see someone and we maybe we don't follow each other. We do. We never met. I'm not going to be like, who are you? I'm going to be like, I saw you.

I saw you if I've heard. And I like that. Like, that's how we talk. No, some girls are very good. Like, my friend Paige, yeah, went to all girls, like, middle school and high school. Formative. But she's like, she knows the game. Like, a girl will say something to us, walk away.

And I'll be like, she's so nice. And Paige would be like, she just insulted you to your face. and she knows what's going on and she knows how to play the game I'm a Labrador retriever I'm just like what's doing on guys and she's like just shut the fuck up for a second right she's like have some tact

she's like you're embarrassed me I feel like me and you have had different experiences where tell me if I'm wrong where you've had this like friend group for a while where like I went to so many different schools that I was kind of just like had to figure it out everywhere I went

actually when I left my middle school from my girlies when I was like mother and I left to go play tennis, that's when, this was actually Poly Prep, which is, I don't know what that means. Poly Prep is like one of the, it's a private school. And I went from like a public school in Brooklyn to private school because I got a tennis ride. Different vibes. Different vibes. Everyone is like money and they know each other since preschool. They've like been doing it. And I came in seventh grade. I'm turning this into all my childhood drama. No, I want to hear it. Let's get into it.

And I get there and I knew some of the girls from, like, my elementary school, I think, or like I played basketball with them or something. So I went in and I was like, okay, let's, we're friends. Let's kiki. Literally, that's what kids do. I'm like, I know you, you know me. That's how a play day. So I walk in and I remember, she goes, hey, so they're like the fabulous five. And she goes, and I'm next on the list.

Me and this girl are next to become the lucky seven. I swear God's name. Oh, right. The names. The group names. movie had just came out. We were smacked. There's a name.

So she basically was like, I like you, but like there's a whole like thing you have to do to get in. There's an initiation. Like I literally was just like I sat at the table and they were like, oh. Okay. I was like, I know this bitch. I got to say what you're, I do feel that what you're saying, first of all, is wild. Second of all is I think it's a New Yorkie.

Like I think there's and I also think, you know what? I mean, Meryl Streep's daughter did go to that school. Like, it was like next level. It's like people are probably trying to emulate the almost like New York social light vibe. And also it really is gossip girls' fault. And mean girls. And mean girls. I remember we had a sit down in the gym like Mean Girls, then being like, hey, I know the movie Mean Girls came out.

But don't do it. Don't do it. And we're like, and also, you're doing it. The Click Books? Yes. The Click Books? Yes. Do you know, Massey Block?

Yes. I auditioned for, remember when there was, they did this thing for the click. I really hope that this is resonating with someone out there. But they did this thing for when they were making the clickbooks into a movie, which the clickbooks, like, I ate those up. It's not healthy. They changed me for the worst. They really did at that time.

Not good. And then the movie, poison, toxicity, poison, but absolutely enjoyable. And then the audition, they were like, anyone can audition. And I said, this is my moment. I'm going to be Massey Block. And I still remember, like, propping up, like, I don't, like a digital camera on my and being like, Calera, because that's how Massey talked. Like, Calera, those are the Eve St. Laurent stickers that, like, lip thingies that I

stickered in 17 magazine. And I was like, hi, I'm Sabrina, Connecticut, five, six. But you realize you're doing that now. Well, I, I, that's actually so, what you're literally doing now for yourself. That's so, so true. What's crazy about Merrill Sheep's daughter? she actually was like above the lucky seven like that was their own click and they they like played tennis for fun and i was like the tennis player so she liked me i remember we were sitting

on the bus together and she started freaking out she was like i lost my chanelle i guess it was like her earring and everyone's freaking out they're freaking out the teacher called my mom and said i just have to tell you what hannah did yesterday apparently i'd go up to the teacher like on the low and was like what's the chenelle that is so but Like, good for your parents. I was like, what's a channel? Like, what are we looking for? I want to help.

You're like, there has been an abduction of a child. I thought a girl named Chanel was lost. Chanel, she's from one of the other classes. And Amber Alert. Amber Alert. And you said, girls, let's team together. We can do this. I fully thought Chanel was a girl in science class.

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The one where you can find the whole movie on TikTok, which I love watching movies on TikTok, which I know is blasphemous. But there is this movie on TikTok where these people go on a ski lift and they get stuck there and they're all night. People get eaten by wolves. It's really traumatic. And they don't take that down on TikTok? They don't show the wolf-eating hurt. There's no chewing. There's no actual chewing.

But you hear the sounds. They like cut it up and it's traumatizing. No. And so now I'm like, well, now I can't go skiing ever. Also, like, even if you're good, like you're still freezing. And why would you want to do that to yourself? No, it's a whole thing. My husband's obsessed with it.

Do you just he try to take you and? Oh, I had to do three. hour lessons and then lunch and then show him what I learned but like my Canada event is that I need to show men that like I'm athletic like that's that was my thing um like that will that part of your brain I'm like he'll love me he'll love me so like I'm doing insane things and then I like got good at it and finally was like I'm going to check my down on this myself down the hill and injure myself so I literally can't and did you yeah what was your injury my hand got crushed it was I mean, yeah, it was hard to text.

I didn't think that I couldn't wipe my own butthole. It's a whole thing. I'll send you the clip. I made content out of it. Okay. I had to go down on the whole. I'm so worried about you. It was a whole thing.

Tell me, I really keep hurting you. And I'm sorry about that. I want to say, yes. There's more friends you talked about. Yes. Because I feel like you're the same as me where like I'll pull stuff from things I see, but I also will every now and then be like, go deep into like the embarrassing thoughts you have. Yeah.

Because as a friend, like, it's, there's no rules. And it is so easy. to be cringe, like, I'm that, so many things, your videos are so great because as they are like super triggering of, like, things you hate about people, it's girls sending it to their friend and be like, girl, you do that in a fun way, or like, this is what I always do to you. Totally. I wrote, like, I'm a friend who has no filter. Like, I'll be at the party.

I can see that. I'm feeling weird. Yes. And, or, like, I'm feeling nervous. I'm feeling weird. I'm not going to detract. I'm going to go harder. You're going to lean in.

And I'm going to be like, I'm going to ask you a question that you're like, you're, like, like, how is that appropriate in any sense of the word at this party? You're like, I'm bored. You're like, so what's the worst thing that has ever happened to you? What keeps you up at night? And I'm like, I love to go to people and go, parents, together, together, together, children have divorced? No, because it's a test where, like, either that person's not going to fuck with you or

you'll be friends for a long time. Absolutely. It's all about genuine connection. And the only way to genuinely connect with someone is to unburden them of all of their trauma. I go, your hips, you're looking kind of tight when you're twerking. Do you have unresolved trauma in your hips? In your hips? Because I do. You do. What is your unresolved trauma in your house? Oh, I had to go to chiropractic yesterday because of it. I'm worried about your body, but we can get into that. I just like, all my tension is in my hips, but I think a lot of women are

like that. You also said the friend who thinks she's an empath, which is 100% me. Like I'm the one who's like, sorry, I'm like sensitive because I like feel everything. Yeah. Like you guys wouldn't get it you don't have feelings like i do i'm just absorbing all of the energy yeah like i need to go ignore people for a week because i had one coffee date and no one no one is no one has ever felt as deeply in their lives as you feel on it on a daily basis and that's not your fault it's so like good and self-aware but i remember when i first heard the word empath i was like explains everything i think that's also such an issue with like the ticot buzzwords and it's so funny how it's like we will glom onto any word and go, and that word was made for me.

And that word was made for me. And no one has ever been so made for the word empath as I have been. Has you gotten upset by something someone said and requested and overthought something once. You're an empath. And that's me. And no one else is like me. But at the same time, like, you know, that's great that people feel. I mean, that's such a cute thing, too, about, like, you feel us alone.

You feel us alone. And, like, I really do love the little, like, the little Gen Z girlies on the TikTok. I'm such a boomer as the thing. I was about to say, because I'm a boomer. I'm millennial, but I identify as Gen Z. I'm, I seem. You're a millennial who identifies as boomer, or you're Gen Z who identifies as boomer. I'm a millennial who, like, in my heart and soul, I'm very Gen Z.

Like, I'm a Swifty. Yes. I've just stopped, like, shopping at Brandy Melville. You know what I mean? Like, I have, like, a little sister. I just stopped. I'll probably go back. I have a little sister.

I was a camp counselor. Yeah. I was a nanny up until. like a year ago. So you have so many of these experience to pull from that are so fucking relatable. Thank you.

And I mean that in a compliment. And you said relatable queen. By the way, it's so funny. It's so funny to like someone relatable too. When I said it, I feel like you didn't like it. No, I love it. I'm just thinking of that.

Do you remember like that Amy Schumer joke? I think it's Amy Schumer where she says. I was about to talk about Amy Schumer. That's so? Because I was like, you know, Amy Schumer's lost to relatability? And we love her unreliable queen. You had to work for it.

But you go up to write bits and you're like, you know when you see Bradley Cooper at the Oscars? No. No, we don't know that. But like, we don't know that. Having your experiences of like being in the weeds of New York City trying to like make friends and date and make enough money for your apartment. Totally. Is every most girls scrolling on TikTok, I feel like. Totally.

And, you know, I mean, also I'm like, hashtag check your privilege guys. Like not to say I'm like the most like I like went to. And, you know, I'm like, I'm from Connecticut. I went to Smith and then I came here. I have, I'm not exactly like picking myself up from my bootstrap. Yes. That being said, like, yes, I. You live a vet. But also I would say basic.

Yes, absolutely. Yes. A privilege, basic life. Absolutely. I, but at the same time, I mean, just for context too, I, you know, when I, I, I came to New York to pursue acting. You know, I came to New York. You know what it is?

Yeah. You're the relatability of a non-Nepo baby. That I think, yes. That I can definitely claim. I and you do like when you are trying to like really when you're a girlie who's like I'm going to be in Hollywood and like that's my whole life I've looked up to that and have always wanted to act and create and be on television to have my own show and all of these big goals that I continue pursuing every day but um relentlessly relentlessly but when you um when you are pursuing that and then you're not enough of a baby you're like my life so hard. Like you're like, you're like, it's just, um, no one has struggled. And I, I think that's why we're so obsessed with the NEPO baby right now thing to because we finally, we're so validated by it. But we're like, see? Like I have been going through the worst experience humanly possible.

Once you put a name on something, then it makes it a thing. It's so makes it a thing. Do you have any opinion on Ben Platt? I mean, I thought it there was more of a story, but basically, like, clearly his PR was like, we don't want to talk about the NEPA baby stuff. And they did say it. And then he stood up for himself and was like, I'm not talking about it, instead of just being like... Was that when the article came out? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think instead of, like, yeah, you can tell them I don't want you to ask about that,

but you also can like, if it does happen, have an answer that's like not going to make people upset. I didn't hear the answer, but I can imagine. No, we didn't have an answer. He was just like, I'm not talking about that. And, you know, it's hard because it's also probably anything, I can understand being in that position and anything he would say he probably would be like, that was wrong. That was wrong. Like, anything you say.

But you could also just be like, yeah, like, I totally understand, like, I did have that benefit. And you should. And you should always, I mean, and that's just what we learn about privilege in general, right? Like, it doesn't help anyone ever when you don't acknowledge whatever privilege you have. But you know what's worse than an unsuccessful NEPA baby, a NEPA baby who does not take advantage of their connections. Right. To become a star. And you're like, it's like a seven-foot person with huge hands who doesn't dunk.

It's like, go dunk. And I will say to this. I will say to do this. You know, Ben Pat, you know, incredible voice. He's a talent. He's a talent. And, you know, the thing is, it is such an incredibly difficult business that this business is all about the sustainability. It's all about the long term, right?

Like, we're so pissed with like, oh, it's her moment. It's her moment. It's like, but, you know, most working actors, what they want is to have, they don't want a moment. They want a career. They want to be able to be in their, in every decade of their lives. and embodying different roles that they're connecting to when they're those ages. I think that's what, you know, most creatives want. And the reality is if you don't have the talent and the wherewithal for that and the work ethic,

you know, even a nepo baby is not going to have that. And I would argue, like, so many nepo babies are successful because they literally have these incredible genetics. Like, Lily Rose Depp is incredible on screen. Oh, my gosh. She's so good. And, like, Johnny Depp is your dad. Do you, like, I want, if I was going to hire someone, I'd want someone with Johnny Depp's talent, like.

And also, you know, also the probably the education she received as a child about the industry and about, like, how you have to sustain that energy and that work ethic. I always like to say with, you know, pursuing this stuff, it's like we're, this is, I stole this for my manager, but we're literally not saving lives. So it's kind of like, you know, don't do this. If it's hard, it sucks. Like it's a crazy hard weird thing. How do you deal with all the rejection? You know, I... She's like not something I've experienced.

What's rejection? But if it did happen to me. I've never experienced it in my life. Hannah was wrong. I'm not a relatable queen. I'm the queen of the world. No, you know, I... Everything I feel like...

I think that, you know, I grew up. My mom is a playwright. Oh, cool. And she is, you know, also was a school teacher. And she taught me a lot. about again how this is not something you do for funzies this is something this is something you have to work at and you're going to mostly experience failure but the fact that she did something creative that she loves because part of me was going to be like are your parents

cool with you going into acting she they yeah you know and and my dad is the one of who was you're kind of a nepo baby I'm not a nepo baby my mom my mom says it too she's like I'm like mom I'm going to tell New York Times you're a playwright and she's like yeah but don't worry they won't think you're a nepo baby because playwrights it doesn't count it doesn't Now, because there's no money in theater, you know, and, you know, I'm from Connecticut and, you know, she, she's the most brilliant talented writer in the world, but definitely hasn't received, like, the level of money she should have for that. Regardless of money, she hasn't picked her to the phone and been like, get her this role. Oh, no, certainly not. Certainly not. And so, but, but at the same time, I've inherited a lot of privilege in the sense of understanding the business. Yeah.

Through what my mom has taught me. My mom, you know, taught me a lot. a lot, the rejection thing. Yeah. My mom taught me a lot about how you literally have to be prepared for people to not care about you, not see your value as you're stepping into it. You know, so I've always, you know, from the time I'm like, I've been working on my brand from the time I was little. I'm kidding. But I always was aware of the level of competition, aware of my own the things that I lack as a performer. I can't say, like, you know, just things that maybe would have really given me a leg up and allowed me to get into a Juilliard and, like, you know, have taken that path, but I knew that what I was going to be facing was such a big challenge. And so I said,

okay, well, who am I? Like, what are the things that I can do that other people can't? Because everyone has that. Everyone has something you can do. I feel like that's a really logical level of DeLulu. Yes. Yes. I'm very, like, pragmatic. Like you know what you're good at? But crazily confident, but also so realistic. Yeah. And I think that's worked out for me. No, because you have to be honest with yourself, like what you need help with, what you need improve in to be good. And I think, I feel like I wouldn't be surprised if maybe you had an upbringing like this too, but my, I was brought up in a way where I'd be like, mom, I want to, they're doing the Sweeney Todd. They're doing Sweeney Todd. Mrs. Lovett is my dream role. I literally went,

I went to the callback with like full like makeup hair and I can't sing. And I said to my mom, I was like, I want to get Mrs. Lovett. And my mom said, oh, but sweetie, like, you can't sing. Do you what I mean? And I think when you, it's like, there are two kinds of people in the world. The kind of people who have a mom who tells them they can sing when they can't. Yeah. And the kind who says, you can't sing.

My parents were very much of the path where it's like, wow, you're really fucking good at this. Let's do that. Did my mom give me singing lessons? Yes. Did I have a complete different experience there than like when I took tennis lessons? After tennis lessons, the coaches are meeting with the parents. What's our long-term plan? When I sang, they were like,

like she keeps moving her head in a weird way. And we don't, we've never seen this before. Totally. You're like, great. Thanks for the notes, guys. But hey, but that's still like their version of being invested and encouraging you. And I think like I'm so grateful that I grew up in a way literally where I'm just so aware of the things I'm bad at. Because when you're aware, you have to know, you have to know the things that you can do or the things that you're like, I could be good at this if I worked at it. And so I think for me, the whole rejection, thing is more of, that's kind of always been how I've proceeded into the craft. You know, I went to, I went to, you know, women's college and historical women's college

because they're, you know, non-gender conforming people there as well. But, you know, and I went there and was like, okay, I don't really feel like I'm getting enough attention in the theater department. Just attention in general. Like, no one to ask me about my day. Give me attention, which is, I think that every morning, I wake up every morning and I say, I'm not getting enough attention. I'm not getting enough attention.

But I wasn't going to have attention in the theater department to satisfy the hunger I had. And then, you know, I went into, I started doing improv and realized that was a space for me that I was maybe even excelling at more. And, you know, it was like, okay, this is something I can do. You know, I'm going to keep pursuing this because this might be a way, you know, and post-grad to stand out against the millions. of other white bond girls out there who also want to be on TV. I also, it sounds like you're a doer, which is what I think is like the best. The worst thing you could do is just like paralyze yourself with like all these thoughts of what you're not good enough for and what you might mess up in.

But it's like do it and move and move and move. Just keep moving, zigzag. You have to. And that's why I think you were able to stumble across TikTok because you're one of those people that are open to just like, is this right for me? Is this good for me? If you were like such a perfectionist or like at a young age, people were like, you're too good for TikTok.

be, you know, like doing movies now. Some people, I think, like, it hurts them the fact that they think that they're so good at stuff. Like, even comics, a ton of comics never posted clips because they were like, I don't do those stupid clips. I don't do stupid crowdwork. And you're like, okay, well, you're not selling tickets either. So you could stay here.

And that's such a lesson, too, of like, because we've all had, like, that ugly feeling you're describing it. We've all had that, right? Like, we've all felt, like, even when. with the girls in the middle so it's like, well, I don't want to hang out with you anyhow. It's like when you feel excluded from something, when you feel like you're not going to excel or you feel a sense of like, you know, other about something, our automatic reaction is to reject it and say it's stupid.

Or yeah, when TikTok first came out, we all were like, oh, my God. Like, oh, my God, like, Gensi, I don't understand the trends. And then meanwhile, it's like, how do I get viral? And, you know, and I think, and I also do feel creatively, and I wonder if this name is for you that every time I've ever felt kind of like I've looked at a peer, someone from afar that I look up to that I go, I need to do what they're doing and they're doing something that made me go, I don't need to do that. And like had that bitter feeling. I've then been like, okay, actually I'm bitter because I also want to do that, but I'm scared. So instead of like in my brain like

talking shit as if it's that person's fault that I'm scared of something, I'm actually just going to face it and do it. And something, this is like my mom episode. My mom will be happy to because she wants all the credit. But she taught me something that honestly is the thing I feel like every step of the way with my career that I, that I follow, which is when I was in high school, the first time I was auditioning for the play, I was saying to my mom like, well, can I just go do things outside of high school and go do some other regional things? And my mom was like, why would you do that? You had this great opportunity in front of you. It seems like really the only reason you don't want to do it is because you don't want to be uncool in front of like the boys.

And she was like, look, if you care more about what people think of you and that feeling of embarrassment and shame about what other people think of you is a stronger feeling than the desire to perform and create an act, you don't want to act that badly. And I looked to her and I was like, I do want to act that badly and I auditioned for the play. Okay, I'm getting shivers because your mom is a feminist queen. She's a queen. Like the concept of decentering men for your life. I talk about it all the time because it really is true. But that that's funny because, yeah, with tennis, my dad, I remember once, like, I think we were playing, I was playing against a guy who, because I would train with a lot guys and some of the guys were cute and I think I lost him one of the guys. And he pulled me side and

he's like, you better not lost him because like you were crushing him or something. And I was like, no. And he's like, don't ever let a boy distract. you and I never I got chills I never forgot that like every now that guy would do something I'd be like he's fucking distracting me from my shit yeah and it would like

from my empire literal empire and I'm building an empire I'm like 24 years old like just like like writing against a wall you're like and this is my empire I'm trying to microwave an oatmeal I'm like he's distracting me from my empire from my work no but but

hilarious but also so true and if you see it in that perspective because if you could also twist it to the perspective of fuck everything I'm doing If I could get this guy to like me that is my empire, uh-uh-uh-uh. And it's never going to work out that way anyhow. Also, the right guy will like you when he sees what you've invested into yourself. And I don't mean money or like an empire, just literally like you doing what brings you joy. Yes. And I think to that feeling, first of all, great story. And that feeling that you were describing as well,

I feel like that's definitely something I tap into with some of those characters you were mentioning because I think, you know, we're too, obviously, like, we extroverted high-energy, like, career girlies, and, you know, but I'm sure, but it feels like, too, we both have, like, we're still human, and we both have had those moments of, like, well, maybe I'll just, like, in this moment, make myself small to, like, fit into what we think other people want and, like, what the male gaze wants. Yeah. And then I'm sure as soon as you've had that moment, you move on from it and you go, fuck that. why was I thinking that? And I think sometimes it's when I'm in those vulnerable moments that I'll think of those ideas for the video, and then I'll put that idea out there. Because if you're getting a strong emotion from something, someone else will too.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that like, you know, sometimes, I remember in the beginning I used to get a little bit nervous because like in the very beginning when I think people weren't totally tapped into what I was doing and maybe would just see me randomly and so things can kind of get taken out of context when someone doesn't know your platform that well. Once in a while, I get the like internalized misogyny comment, which of course would like give me a panic attack, totally, which I've gotten over that because what I realized too is so true. And what I realized too is like,

well, no, it's not, you know, for a moment like what we're describing, it's not about internalized misogyny. It's about confronting that we're not perfect and that patriarchy does make us feel small or make us feel like if I were to make myself small, what could I, what benefits could I receive from that? And we all have those moments. And so sometimes it's those moments of like when I'm not being the best version of myself because I'm feeling insecure. I'm feeling vulnerable. And then being self-aware enough to own it. And I do have to say your content, what makes it so unique is a lot of people will post content that is kind of cool or like making fun of like cool people or like whatever you literally become go into the most cringe worthy friends where like you don't

post that and go like i i kind of wish that was me like every now that i'll pretend i'm like a cool girl no one wants to be her you you're posting these girls no one wants to be her and you like lean in so much where it's but like to the point that people are like this is so raw and real and you're so cringe that it's like art it's art cringe art cringe art art art cringe Crenches art. Art is cringed. Because most people wouldn't even try to post that because they'd be like embarrassed or whatever. But instead of people see it and they don't see a lot of it. And they go, holy shit. That is so funny. That reminds me of that night that Jenna was like really upset about that annoying guy. One of my favorite videos you just did was the girl who has a horrible boyfriend. Because we've all been there. It was my friend's boyfriend. And I forced him. I literally sat. I was like, you have to be in the video. He was so good. He basically, everyone's done this for like, you've had a boyfriend that you're so excited.

That he's your boyfriend. But deep down, there's so many red flags. And also, like, he's made it clear. He's going to hate your friends. He doesn't even know your friends. He doesn't want to meet your friends. He doesn't care. But you just want to share him with your friends.

Totally. They come to visit. He literally doesn't ask one question. Doesn't say a word. He's in his phone. You try to have a little cute banjo with him. He doesn't reciprocate. We've all had that guy.

And I think, too, thank you so much. And let's get into it. I'm like, let's analyze my work. But I think, too, there's, and I think, too, in terms of the vulnerability aspect of that, what's ultimately, to me, at least being in the position of the character, what I find funny about it is also what I find sad about it, which is that, you know, I think we've all been in that position where that validation, you know, if your friends think he sucks, it's almost like they're thinking you can't get someone who doesn't suck. But at the same time, sometimes as girls

were taught that like securing a man is like the, I just said girls and men, women, securing a man is the most important moment. Like, he's tall. Of our lives. Exactly. And then the girls are like more disappointed than ever in you. And you're like, no, no, no. But he's tall.

But he's six, four. And it's important, I think, to just, you know, recognize those moments within ourselves where we're not being the best and we're operating out of insecurity. Because also these girls you show, like, there's one girl that's like, she makes all the conversations about her. We've all been there. I literally did it today. Yes.

So when you do the girl, it's like, this is. a caricature of, like, that girl's so much more complex and there's so many other things going on. But we've all been in that mood where sometimes you're, I don't know why, you're like, I need to be fucking heard today. Yes. And it's nice to laugh at it and be like, it's not the end of the world to be that girl with the boyfriend who sucks, to be the girl who brags about being an empath. We all have annoying qualities. Yes. And we're still lovable. And we also can learn and be like, hey, let's not do that. And we can connect with each other over those qualities. And we can recognize that it's really okay to not be a perfect person and to I feel like I mean I

definitely as it's interesting to hear your insights on it because you're obviously you're saying things that I wouldn't have thought of just putting that out into the world and I think that you don't know half of it's deliberate and half like my stuff I'm like people will say or people have a story about you in their head that you don't know but it's interesting to see how things get like processed by other people because I'm looking at through my lens of experience too. Absolutely. We're deep as fuck right now.

We're literally having... And you guys didn't expect that from the beginning. And you didn't. And because you're a misogynist. Internalized misogyny. She's blonde. I know what you were thinking. We're wearing all way.

We're in Montauk. Get over it. Just because you're jealous doesn't mean you have to hate us. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. What is your level of like depression anxiety? Are you like both?

Are you one of the other? That goes back to the thing you were saying. No, that's me at a party. Let's get right into it. My level is, it's high. I mean, you know, I did, I definitely feel like this might sound crazy because I feel like everyone always affiliates sort of being online with like the decrease of their mental health. But I think in a weird way, it's helped my mental health, which I've always struggled with because I think I just try to have so much gratitude because there's so many years of my life

where I felt on the outside and felt I just want to be creative and I want to be able to have an audience of people who can, you know, experience my work and enjoy it. And to me, that's just the greatest feeling in the world. And I know what it's like for so many years to be, like, depressed to not. have had that. So even on the bad days, I just remind myself. I think like gratitude is always like the best way to avoid bitterness. And I try to, you know, just remind myself of like what I have right now that I would have killed for a few years ago. So I think like in a way, the online present stuff has definitely like aided my gratitude, aided my optimism. And yeah, for someone

that wants to like express themselves and create to have people have eyes on it, is like such a gift. It's like, wait, so I can be heard and like my, my work. Like, because you can look at TikTok in two different ways. Like one is like just like, you know, consuming content, comparing yourself, that shit. Or like, oh, I have a vessel to like, like, TikTok to me is my TV show. Absolutely. And I'm just.

And we're all watching and we're all loving it. And we all feel so close to you. Yeah. I feel the same way about you. Literally obsessed. I need to get my nails done after doing this pod. I feel like I influenced you a little bit. You're a full on influencer.

I'm an influencer. Influencer Um Okay, wait I just wrote some other friends I'm gonna play final game The friend who embodies Positive neck

Positiveness Toxic positivity Sorry toxic positive Because that's me too I'm also that friend I'm that friend who will tell people to do Like my friend will be like Should I shave my head

And I'll be like Yes You need to You said if you Why haven't you already? Why haven't you already? I'm literally that friend As long as I don't have to do it

And like but I want them Because it'll be for the story It'll be so funny It's for the plot. You'll live vicariously for them. Don't ask me. But they'll come. They know me. I'm the friend. If you need to be hyped up about something that your other friends would be like, don't do it. You call me. You call me. You call me. Absolutely. I love that. I'm that hype girl for anything. That's a really good quality queen.

It depends. Like I would so much rather have that. I'm really trying to get my friend page to shave her head like every day. I would like, I'll like send her videos and she's like, please stop. She's like, why are you doing this? I don't have the bone structure for it. And she does. That's incredible. friend who needs the picks from last night that is so funny because you know when you're like hey girl you're you never feel more as a woman as a woman out of control

you could never feel more annoying more hysterical than when you want the picks from last night but it's not the photo that you were looking for and you're like oh my god crazy I think I missed one yeah that's so funny actually and then and then the thing too was there's such a ticking time clock Because if they take five days, it's not relevant anymore.

It's not relevant anymore. The moment is over. It's almost embarrassing if you were to post it. It's embarrassing. It's mortifying. People saw you on other people's pages. It's absolutely mortifying. It is, I, the friend who always wants to put you on to new things, that's me.

But like, I won't do them. Like, I'll be like, do the roller coaster, it'll be so fun. Why are we sales people? Why are we constantly trying to sell people on things? Because I feel like, if I can't have the thrill, you have the thrill. But it's like hypocritical. I'm hypocrite. I'm a hypocrite.

I do think the world revolves around her definitely me but I also surround myself with people who are like that too where we just bonds off it like well it's like the thing you were saying before where it's like maybe one day

they need their moment and it's all about them and another day it's all about you and that's feminism do you know Kat Cohen amazing incredible I had her on the pot and we were like some days

you need to be back like background character extra energy I saw that clip and I loved it and I loved it from two main character Leo's like

you're like not every And sometimes, too, I also think, I don't know if you feel this way with the internet, mental health stuff. But sometimes you are like, okay, so much of my life is like looking at my own face and like thinking about myself because that's just like the nature of what we're doing. That sometimes you're with friends and you're like, I actually don't want to talk about that because can you just like put something else in my brain that isn't like my brand? Well, yeah, that's like when you're playing tennis all the time, there were days where it's like don't talk about tennis. Right. So you have to almost do that with.

You have to compartmentalize. And also when you hang out with comedians all the time, it's just like, bit after, bit after, bit. And then I'm hitting with friends. And I'm like, okay, let's get the conversation going. They're like, we're just talking about work. And I'm like, no one's being funny. No one's being funny. You're like, if we're not laughing, are we living?

Are we living? Also, I'll put pressure on myself. Like, when I'm out, I'm like, these people wanted me here to be, I need to entertain. Yes. And then you ever go into a friend group and you're like, I'm different today. Like, I'm mysterious. Today, I'm an empath. I'm absorbing and nothing else.

Where I'm like someone says something and I'm like, don't respond. Yeah. Don't, you don't have to jump in. You don't have to jump in. And next you know. No. We can't help ourselves. You're going to do it.

The friend that gives boys advice, she never follows. That's absolutely me. I mean, that's who you, I think, a universal thing. But I give so much good advice. Me too. I'm such a therapist to my friends. I'm that girl. I'm crafting the text.

I'm crafting the text. I'm crafting the text. And I'm, I'm fuck girl energy. Like, I've never cared about a man in my life, energy. My friends get so mad at me because I'll be like. I'm the one to go Oh if that's all he said to you Don't answer

Don't answer Don't answer And then I will villainize any man I don't care if this man Works at a non-profit I tell my friends to break up with dudes Every three I got done

I have no Patience I have zero patience No like he will do the littlest thing I mean I was like That was like that with my dating too though Like because I was always like He's distracting me I'm out

Yeah But for girls like She'll be like I don't know what I should text him. And I go, is he making you question who you are? We're done. And she's like, no, I just like don't know if I should like ask him to hang out tonight or not. And I'm like, he's not making you feel safe.

You're like, you're seeing the micro. And I'll be like, he's a narcissist clearly. And I'm like, she's like, you're projecting you. He's gaslighting you. Because I like care where do you want to do. I care about them so much. I never want them to feel how I felt. So I'll see one little sign that's possible.

And I go, look, I'm going to save you from four years of torture. Do not respond to this man. Yes. block him and she's like no he he's like in the bathroom like that's why he didn't answer my text and I'm like no he's fucking someone else no he is using you for all that you've got she's like he's going to steal from you he's in the shower I could hear the shower I'm like that's creative of him that's super creative okay instilling paranoia we're going to do a speed round okay final game I'm terrified let's go seven deadly sins

seven deadly sins good I love I'm stilling fear in you. Do we look like sisters? What you're doing great? We kind of do. I'm half Jewish. I'm full, but I still respect you. I'm kidding.

You're like, but I could never marry you. No, I didn't think you were half Jewish. Well, your dad's side. I'm 25% Jewish. My dad's side. Yeah, it's like. But also, first of all, too, like, it has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with how you feel culturally connected to it.

I'm just like such a New Yorker. I'm half Italian Jewish. I love that. It's New York. Everything, you know, every little smorgish work is in mix is important. We're shitting right now because there's no air conditioning. It's actually really rich fencing, yeah. What are you greedy about?

If I'm, like, out to dinner with my sister. I love the specific instance. Why? If I'm an Italian restaurant with my sister. I have so many thoughts that it's like you ask that prompt. I'm like, mm, this one, okay. If I'm at a restaurant with my sister, you know, I'll get something and she'll go, oh, that looks good. That looks really good.

And I will, like, with devil's energy in my eye, look at her and I'll go. Can I have some first? And it's like, the other thing, too, is if it's something, and she knows this, like, if it's something that I am passionate about, like, chocolate lava cake, like, there's certain things. Like, you've been planning for this. She knows that it's, like, the biggest moment of my day is that. Like, and she tries to take too much of it. Like, it's like we are on a deserted island and it's, like, yellow jackets, and I will, you know.

Full cast away. So I can definitely be, definitely be greedy about food. See, I'm, because I'm Italian, the way we show love is food. So I could, like, I'll give you my whole chicken parmesan if it'll make you happy. But my husband is Irish. They don't have a good history with food. We don't either. I will just go grab something and he'll be like, oh, you're taking my whole fucking piece of toast?

He's like, you're stealing my identity. I'm like, babe, I'll give you mine. He goes, I don't want yours. That's why I ordered mine. Also, what you just said, I will never not think of you as literally a saint. Like, you would give someone your entire. chicken parm, I'm, satehood. But I do have to say, my dad is Jewish, and when I was younger, I ordered flounder, and he

ordered, like, lobster at this, like, you know, seafood shack where you should order lobster. And I was looking at him, and I was, like, eight or something. And I was like, I want the lobster. I don't know what look my mom gave him. Somehow, I got the lobster. I have not lived it down to this day. He's so mad at you.

He'll be like, remember when I gave you my fucking lobster? He's, like, forget the fact that I gave you life. I gave you my lobster. I'll do something now and be like. like, are we good with the lobster thing yet? And he's like, nope. He said no. Men experience trauma too.

I had dried flounder, fried, dried flounder while you dipped. And you were eight. You didn't even know what it was. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You probably had like two bites of it. You ruined his life. He's like this fucking kid.

Who are you envious of? You know, I'm envious of people like Shonda rhymes. I'm envious of Mindy Kaling. I'm envious in a positive. of way, Quinta. People don't talk enough about like the level of accomplishment that these women have. Like if they were men, the way that there'd be statues. And it's also like, and I think I, besides that those, I mean, those are just three people that come to mind to me right now who are incredible. And, you know, I think that for me, when I use the word envy with them, it's because I look at them

and I'm like, oh, you got to just, I mean, I know, not to say they don't experience their own difficulty, but you get to like, I have this idea. I want to build this world. And then you get to like build a whole world and have a whole set and have actors and everyone put together with this idea that you had in your brain. Like, I think I'm envious of the experience of like having that in your brain and being able to create a world and like have a TV show. So I'm envious of those people in a positive way where I love them and I will hopefully try to follow them. Well, also the better they do like the more possibilities it is for like everyone else. Absolutely. And they do it the right way too. So amazing. What do you gluttonous about as in like what do you overindulge in?

Pinkberry. I love a... Do you like the tart? Yes. Okay, I'm all about the tart. Sisters. I like to do... What are your toppings?

So this is what I like to do. I'll do tart. I'm very plain Jane. I'll do part tart. And then I'll kind of... I like to kind of have like two categories of toppings. So I'll do my fruity toppings, right? The, you know, strawberry, kiwi, banana.

And then like gummy bears, which I think fits into that category. And Captain Crunch, I feel fits into that category. And then I'll do my, like, chocolatey toppings, like cookie dough bites, like, you know, Oreos, things like that. So it's almost like I'm having a dual experience. So you do it together? No, I do it separately. So I'll do the fruit and then I eat the toppings of the fruit and then I move on. Because to me, I don't like to mix them because to me the chocolatey thing is a different thing.

The chocolatey things would have at the end. But this is all in one experience. In one experience. So you go back up and ask for more. Hence the gluttoness thing. Oh, no. I seamless it. Oh, so you eat it one and then you eat the other.

So I seamless or grubhub, whatever, shout out, Pinkberry. And I get all these toppings. And I take the top, and they package it really nicely. And I take the toppings that are the fruity ones and I put them on and I eat that. And then I still have like half of the froyo. And then I, so it's almost as if I'm having two froyos. That's genius, never been done before. Innovative.

Innovative. Women can have it all. The Mindy Kayling of Froyo. Yes. I do have to say, I weirdly do mango and mochi. Oh, I like that. It's like my thing. like that and I respect it. It's the vibe. Because tart is so fresh, but I don't want too much fruit

because I don't want to actually be healthy. Never. No. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger? I, last week, I went to a workout class in Connecticut. I won't name names. And it was Taylor Swift themed. And then, like, halfway through the class, their Taylor Swift playlist, like, ended. Like, it wasn't a playlist. It was one of those, like, really long, like, mixes where, like, it's, like, hyped up, like, mixes. And it was an excellent mix. Yeah.

They were, like, taking... But it was, like, 22 minutes. Right. It was, like, clearly, like, a 25-minute thing for, like, a 50-minute class. class, and when it ran out, the instructor went, oh, and then just kept going. And I thought, this is a conspiracy against Ms. Swift. And then she played non-Tillery Swift. And I would prefer her to just start it over.

Oh, yeah, redo it again. Put it on loop. Who did she put on? It was just like. Like Harry Styles? Top 40. I said, I came here first. Were you trying to make icons out the whole time for other people?

I said, are we experiencing the same reality? right now. No one cares. You're like, I dare her to come at me for taking me because I'll be like, sorry, it's hard to focus. Right. I've been lied to. I've been lied to. Gaslit, girl boss gaslet. I do have to say workout classes bring out so many emotions. So many emotions. Because not only are you working out, which is triggering in itself, but like, you're in this social situation where like when they're like, find a partner. Every, like, don't do that. Every horrible thing that's ever happened to me with women in my life. Was find a partner. Team up.

Nothing good has ever happened after someone said find a partner. Afterwards, you know the hierarchy of the class and you know that, like, no one likes you. No one likes you. And when you're in a workout class, you are just automatically mortified. Yeah. You're just, everything you do, you take a sip of water and you're like, that was so cringe. That was so embarrassing. That was, this is the most embarrassing moment in my life.

No, she'll be like, everyone gets your towels and you're like, how do I bend to like? Everyone is looking at me. And the reality is no one cares about you, but everyone is worrying about themselves. When they say find a partner, it feels like everyone's avoiding me. Like, everyone has been like, not that girl, not that girl, not that girl, not that girl. You're like, no one wants to pick me. And that's why therapy is doing so well right now because of group exercise classes. The therapists are thriving.

Absolutely. At least someone's thriving. Absolutely. When was last time you were a lazy piece of shit? Yesterday. What's your, like, average day look like? I mean, I was hungover yesterday. Because I'm a cool girl in the city.

I drink alcohol. So on a day like that, I just, like, got Pinkberry. And sometimes, too, I'm so, like, my brain is crazy and I'm so on all the time that I, like, I think it's good to have those days where you're like, I'm actually going to accomplish nothing. Do you have pressure? Because as an entrepreneur, do you set... She said it. As an entrepreneur. She said it.

Entrepreneurista. Do you say to yourself, I want to do this number of videos. a week. Do I want to write? Like, do you have any... Because creativity is hard with that. It's not like, just go to the gym and work it out. It's like, it either comes or like, writing new jokes for me is like, I don't have a process. I hate writing. It's so hard

and annoying. And then you're just alone. And then you're just sitting there alone. And then people want to have like writing partner meetings and I'm like, I get more anxiety thinking of jokes when now I have a person stare at me and be like, think of the joke. Like, deliver. Deliver Hannah. You're like, I I definitely

am self-motivated, but I, again, back to the mental health stuff thing, I think it's important to you. It's like if I, I feel like I posted a lot in the past few days. I had a comedy show this weekend. You know, I was with friends, so I was able to milk them and make them take videos of me. Love you, friends. I'll pay you back one day. And so I felt really good. Like I've been posting a lot lately. So now it's like, okay, I can like take a minute. So it's less of like an everyday schedule more of like am I being active and then I have my goals that are separate from TikTok and have to do with script writing and things like that um you know my own personal uh projects you know that I um you know will put myself on a schedule for those as well but you know

then some days we have those days where you're like I'm doing nothing with my life like you know that's just I feel like normal yes it's totally normal and also like you can force yourself to be creative all the time but I've done it where I'm like I need to write jokes and I'll write like 10 shit jokes. I'll go out at night, try them, and be like, that was a waste of time. I forced it. I hate all of them. And probably when you go out and you're with your friends and you're turning your brain off and then someone is saying something, that's what's actually sparking your good material. You're so fucking right. So it actually, socializing is work when you're creative. Right it off. Everything's a right off. Right and off. Everything's a right off.

Finally, when was the last time you lusted over someone? So do you have a celebrity crush? Are we crushing anymore right now? Are you single? What's going on? I'm single and thriving. I lust all the time. I mean, my new thing right now is, like, you must lust. Like, if you're single, like, I look at, like, all my friends, it's like, I feel like we're, again, so taught, like, that this time in our lives, it's so important to, like, find the person, and we're just living for that. But you've your whole life to sit on the couch. Right. And I think, like, I feel like I'm really embracing the importance of the crush. Have as many. crushes as possible lust away because that's what life is about. Slive. No, it's so true because

the one thing as a married woman, you don't. I can't believe you're married. I know it's so off-brand for me, but you don't experience that. You sounded so rich when you said that. No, I know. I literally immediately your network went up. And I was like, I'm a married woman in the Hamptons wife right now. No, that's the craziest thing I'm freaking out, but continue. But so that's something I have to fight every day. um final final question we'll never stop talking we won't stop these girls um what advice would you give to the little devils who are listening on how to cope with your hell when you're going through it when you're in your darkest time when you're having those fucking days or months or years how do you get through it well not to minimize people's experiences but speaking only from my own

experience, I mean, I find that, I think it goes back to the, like, being a doer thing. You know, I think in your darkest moments, you know, I think that something I, again, my own experience, I think something I have learned, especially in the past few years with the internet stuff, is, you know, you really, no one's going to make you feel better about things. You're only really going to feel better about things when you feel that you have things that your own. And that doesn't mean like, oh, just live life separate from everyone else. And we need people. We need community. But you have to, you know, have your own thing. Have your, and, you know, for me, that was content. I'm not saying, I'm like, the key to life is go on TikTok. No, but for me,

you know, I joke about it. But for me, there is a huge part of what I'm doing that I'm like, that's, that's my thing. Like, that's the thing that I have. And even when, you know, I'm just, I'm not feeling great, I think when you know that there is something that no one can take away from you, you're like, okay, I'm not feeling it right now, but I know that when I'm back to my, I'm going to give myself a minute and when I'm back to feeling in my head again, I'm going to keep putting that energy into myself and also into the people who I love who are in my life who deserve that energy from me and try to just, and also too, I think something I tell myself too is like you don't have to be like the happiest not every moment of your life has to be

the most amazing time yeah they say like like fifth like half your life is happy and half is like struggling with shit that's just called existing right and it's i think we have so much pressure on ourselves to especially with the internet that you know every moment has to be cinematic and whenever you look at your phone someone's having like the best moment they've ever had totally so you're like oh no what's going with my moments people i saw someone saying, I saw someone like tweet about me. Sorry guys. I look at everything. I love you all. And saying like, you know, oh, I just want to live this life of like being able to be out on the street every night wearing like a fabulous maxi dress. Shout out to that person who tweeted that.

And I had a moment reading that where I was like, you know, it's interesting because I, it's not like I'm always that, right? Like there was plenty of moments where I'm not doing something exciting. It's just, that's what it looks like online because those are the moments I film. Like, who knows what got you to that point in that day? And you could be having the worst fucking day. I could be devastated that day, right? And so I think, you know, it's obviously, I mean, I know that's what everyone says, but it's important to just, and also just to be okay with being in the moment of your own life

and finding the joy in that. Like, it's like sometimes you might feel competitive with someone and they're off, like, at a movie premiere and you're like, I'm there, there, and I'm like here. But then you're like, okay, but why is where I am not as valuable? Like, look at the valuable and where I'm. I am. Like, I'm with my nephew. I'm, you know, I'm with my family. I'm with friends who love me. So I think it's the gratitude thing that I, and again, I'm not trying to say I'm perfect because I'm very flawed. No, but I do just say you are very wise. Definitely not perfect,

but very wise. So I'm so wise that I, it's okay that there's so many things wrong with me because I'm aware of them. But like, it's true once you can change the narrative in your, in your head of what success is, because people can be so successful and still think they're failures because of what they've decided it is in their head. And what they think is important in life, which isn't success. And then you see the people who get what they want, and then all the complain about is, I want to have, like, remember when Taylor Swift, all things come back to Taylor? I remember she, like, in her documentary, she, like, won, like, 100 Grammys.

And she was like, and I had no one to be happy about it with. Like, I had my mom, and she was like, but I had no one that I could call and be like, it's not like it's like a switch turns on. And she's like, and now I'm happy and now I'm satisfied. But, like, what she, in that moment, she wanted to be sitting at home with a friend or a significant other and her cat and just like that's what she wanted right so it is like there's value in that but we devalue that especially with like the age of everyone wanting to be a celebrity I also like to say that there's greatness everywhere like some would say this conversation right now

was great this is this is greatness high quality this is great yes did we win an Oscar for it no should we no but like because I was as a tennis player I was like no I can't be a champion and and someone was like no like at the pickleball court this morning something great happened And there's beautiful moments happening everywhere if you see them. Absolutely. Sabrina, where can people follow you and all your beautiful moments? Girl. Give me the tea.

My name is Sabrina Breyer. I am on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, and threads. I'm about to say. And threads. Don't forget about threads, you guys. And I also perform comedy. And I post it on my Instagram typically. Yes.

You know, so follow that and come to a show and try to laugh. Is it improv? I'd say hi. I've been doing stand-up. But not like you, Queen, not like I do a lot. This is the Queen. No, that's very exciting. This is the Queen. And I want to also come to your show.

Oh, my God, I would love it. I'd love to come to your show. Oh, my God. I also, because I've never done improv, but I love watching it. Let's have, let's start an improv today. Let's start an improv team right now. It's super competitive. You've already started a podcast.

We have a podcast. It's called The Lucky Seven. you now need and yeah if you want to join our improv troupe we are accepting no one no one let's do it i'm so we're doing it we're doing it only napa babies can apply yes thank you so much for coming on you're amazing thank you for coming to hell like subscribe it's going to be on youtube check it out yes bye guys thank you guys bye You know, so, so, so, so, so.