Berner Phone - Sean Alexander: Losing Followers & Self Help Books

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

Sean is a beautiful male fitness model who is starting his first underwear brand because he's that hot. However, having blue eyes and washboard abs does not mean your life flawless. Sean is constantly fighting the pressure of being a perfectionist and people assuming that he's dumb (apparently that's what happens to really hot people). LIVE SHOW (use the code BERN for 50% off): http://www.carolines.com/comedian/berning-in-hell-live-podcast/ Follow Hannah Berner on Instagram & Twitter: @beingbernz Follow Sean Alexander on Instagram: @seanalexanderr --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/berninginhell/support Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning and Hell. Hey guys, it is another episode of Burning in Hell. And today, I'm with a very sexy man. His name's Sean Hickle, also known as Sean Alexander on Instagram, more importantly. And I met Sean on the street because he was running around shirtless. Do you remember that? Oh, yes, I do remember that. Also, Sean is a podcast virgin, and he wants to emphasize to the audience that it's just podcast.

He's not a real virgin, but I don't believe him. I've seen you Mac on Chicks. You see me Mac on Chicks, but you haven't seen... You know what? I'm not even going to get into that. You're killing it. Uh-huh. Out of the park.

But do you remember you were walking with no shirt on? No, I definitely remember that. I was shamelessly promoting a free... personal training session, 30 minute personal training session and consultation, and we probably passed out 5,000 flyers and maybe got like 150 people in the gym and not one person signed up. So it was like a colossal waste of time. Did you get any dates from it? I met you. So kind you are so charming. And that's why I invited you. So to begin out of, do you care if I'm comfortable? No, please get comfortable. Okay, can you take your shirt off? I mean, if that would help

you get comfortable with that really like objectifying men is my favorite hobby like this kid acts like he doesn't work out every fucking day for moments like this actually he's kind of owning it right now much better okay so a little bit about sean i just want to say real quick there's only three other guys in the studio right now and i just like randomly am now shirtless so hannah we are off to a rocking story i'm loving this okay so sean is actually a co-frey founder and CEO of model trainers in New York City, basically him and his two best friends who happen to be extremely good looking and they like to work out and jerk each other off all the time. And they... I just want to add a lot of emphasis on the last part there. Like that is

prominent at the household. Are your Instagram followers primarily gay men? I would say I think the split is 6040 men to women. I don't know what percent of that is homosexual or or straight what straight dudes would follow you Instagram doesn't allow for that analytics so I haven't measured that stat yet guys can follow you if they like want your body and then guys follow you if they want to fuck your body and it kind of goes both ways

I mean my DMs go one way or the other so wait and he's also like this cute boy from Texas he just moved to New York City two years ago is dealing with like gay DMs all the time strange for you or are you cool with it

so I lived in like a really conservative part of Texas growing up until I was 20 and then I moved down and went to a junior college where I did college cheerleading and so I had kind of one year to warm up to the gay crowd before Manhattan so that one year are pretty cool like they're okay my style is definitely a lot better since I've had gay friends before whenever I was living in well it's not your fault you're gorgeous um Sean now has created this kind of fitness community with his social media that's upwards of 80,000 strong. Now, no pun intended.

No, but I do think, you know what I like about Sean? I'm bringing on this podcast because he's a fitness influencer, and I love kind of understanding people behind their influential personality that they put out there. And, like, obviously, it's your highlight real most of the time. And people really do envy your body and how you're doing. But when I met you, I met him right when his Instagram had been, deleted so this is a dude with like 50,000 followers which is hard to organically grow that was horrible and he had gotten it deleted because someone like scammed you and got

your password and deleted all your shit and I was looking at this kid like Instagram is his business like his whole life how is he handling this emotionally was that a dark time it was really shitty like it was really shitty and I don't think that I quite understood the value that social media brings to the table like in 2018 so we you just doing it for fun before um yeah i mean whenever i started i think i was just i had the idea that i might move to new york and become a model and so i was like okay well definitely instagram is the way to start that and then by the time that it got deleted i mean it had grown into a thing where i was you know getting free product for endorsement and not having to pay for

tank tops or you know i get free food delivered to my apartment now like there's definitely some amenities those perks sound good yeah you get free hand drives from dudes all the time well that comes without instagram that's just walking west of seventh avenue in chelsea so um yeah so whenever i got it deleted you asked me how i handled it um i woke up in the morning and i was living in jersey at the time and i woke up to go personal train to client so it was like 530 a m and yeah it sucked and uh i checked i just like checked instagram first thing like you know as an addict does and it was deleted it kicked me out so I punched a hole in my door what I was really frustrated okay because when I saw you you were like super calm we were having a brunch and I was like this guy is handling it

very well like I had like the 1,000 followers at the time and I'm like if I lost my 1,000 followers I would freak out would you still freak out with like your 3,000 how many do you have I have 6000 6000 but I'm trying to what I'm trying to realize 10k is that the K is the yeah that's why I picked you to fucking promote me Okay. So everybody on my Instagram, go follow Hannah Burner, Burner, Burning and Hell burns. What's your Instagram? At being Burns. At what? Being Burns. That's right. I say this like I don't know this. Like I don't stalk her every day. I don't stalk me all the time. Sorry. Well, this is my thing. I have a love-hate relationship with social media. I love making my friends laugh. I hate feeling the pressure to be something that I'm like not all the time. Like I'm not on all the time. I'm off most of the day. Like I was. pretty much like in a pissed mood all day and today I'm in front of the microphone right now for an hour and I'm like you can do it be on be funny be presentable I relate to that so much but Instagram it's not I love doing this for an hour and then I could go home and like

be in a shitty mood but Instagram it's like do you feel pressure that you have to be like presentable all the time all the time 24 7 so and I just want to go back to the door thing like I actually don't punch things often I've never been in a fight so like I'm not like really not like an aggressive guy but did you feel like you lost part of yourself i felt so violated i felt like someone had stolen my identity yeah really because then it turned into this thing where i had some like girls that i had not talked to in years texting me asking you know sending me a screenshot of a really like vile message and they were asking hey did you send this like what the hell is up and it was so messed up because it was really shitty he's violating your privacy and

impersonating you yeah so so long story short story ended well you got the Instagram back. Did you feel different about your followers and what you had after losing it? Or did you feel like, did you feel A that, that, you know, this shit actually doesn't mean that much and life is more important than these numbers? Or B, did you feel like, holy fuck, this is so important to me and my business and my life? Definitely the second one. Much more appreciative. I think a little more withdrawn.

I wasn't as, you know, focused on being on it every day and keeping up with the updates, you know, in every single post. but definitely I realized like holy shit I have I have a real platform now people actually listen to what I say which is a crazy thing and then going back to the pressure of feeling on all the time and and the persona the highlight reel that I've chosen to put out has been one of hey let's be an overly optimistic positive guy yeah there's a lot of shitty things that you hear about just all the time in the news so let let me not add to that and so you know I have shitty days Like, everything is not always great all the time.

You know, sometimes you might not be motivated to go to the gym and people look to you for the motivation. You know, and it goes past the gym. So, yeah, the gym. Some days I don't give a shit about working out and, you know, quite frankly, I own a personal training company that the whole premise is that we lead by example. So, you know, on the one hand, I want to be really authentic and say, hey, guys, I just ate four Kit Kat bars and didn't work out for the last two days because I just didn't feel like it. You're human. But also, what kind of example does that set? So, you know, you really want to only post the highlight reel because, hey, do as I show you.

But you also want to, you know, have some amount of transparency where it's like, also, here's what I'm actually doing. Yeah, it's almost like there has to be a balance of your highlight reel, but then also showing, like, hey, don't, do you ever, because people can watch you and be like, if Sean can every day be positive and go to the gym every day, why can't I do it? And then it starts causing negative emotions for them. Oh, I struggle with the same thing. Like, I see people with bigger followings than me, and it's the same, like, you know, their life looks awesome all the time. Like, even still, like, I know the shit. You know, I only post the good pictures, but I still look at people with, like, better accounts. So is there a difference between Instagram, Sean Alexander, and real life, Sean Alexander Hickle?

I think for the most part, I would say I'm pretty much the same guy that I'm posting. But at the same time, you know, I want to, it's the whole mental health thing. and, you know, I'm not always the happiest guy. Like, I have bad things that happen. I have real grandparents with real funerals and real, you know, real negative things that happen. So I'm not always 24-7 on in my real life. Thank you so much for the water.

That is incredible. But, yeah, I think for the most part, I try to have an accurate portrayal of who I actually am. So you also just started an underwear line, which is pretty much, Marky Mark-esque of you. Yeah, you like that? Yeah, I do like it. And I think it's, what kind of made you want to start it? My eyes are up here, thank you.

My eyes are up here. What made you want to start it? So my older brother is super intellectually, I mean, he's a superstar. And so... What happened to you? I don't know. I don't know. I just, you know, I've had a couple of concussions.

I'm just kidding. You're actually quite intelligent for a hot guy. it's the second part of that sentence that seems slightly offensive continue continuing please objectify me so yeah my older brother my older brother is a product manager for a really large real estate firm and so he gets basically the order that says hey we need a product that does this so assemble your team and go make it and then whenever my Instagram started popping off and I've had these couple TV appearances and you know this model trainers company has you know really turned into a much bigger thing that we thought it would be um he said hey you have a brand and you're not

capitalizing on that so why don't we take it to the next level and he just kind of took it upon himself you know i really would like to credit myself and say oh like sean alexander personal trainer uh model and then designer but like i did nothing for the design of the underwear except for okay a couple you know he would send me ideas but you're the face and you are the brand and you're not a specialty into designing and producing underwear so that's okay no so so basically it was just like the two of us decided hey let's go in 50 50 and just try to start our own thing and then the feedback that we've gotten has been unreal so we ordered maybe 400 pairs of underwear and they come in next week so guys sean alexander dot house if you want some designer underwear

For a dude to start his own underwear line is pretty much the most confident thing I think I've ever heard. So my question to you is, what are your insecurities in yourself? Okay, so I already just kind of foreshadowed to what my insecurities are. My family is so intellectually brilliant. It is really scary to be the guy that failed out of college, went to two years of junior college, decided he was smart enough, and then just moved to New York to be a model. why did you fail out of college the first time were you partying too hard no no see that was the thing like i really that i have no excuse i thought i thought at the end of my first semester or first half semester in college that i was just stupid i really like i had this really so were you actually trying and studying i went to every class i took good notes every single class i had tutors for multiple of my classes like i mean the issue was i went into it and i was so caught up in hey my family is so intellectually I mean, like, you know, we have the doctors, the lawyers that my fucking older brother, pardon my language, was this like a... Please, please curse.

Oh, damn shit. No, I mean, he's like a rocket scientist at SpaceX at 23. Like, he's brilliant. So I went into 18 hours of petroleum engineering for my first semester of all... Were you interested in that? Fuck, no, I'm not even like a... I'm a workout guy. Like, I'm a people person.

I'm not a math guy. I do think you're actually really smart. smart. I think you're one of the funnier hot guys I know and to be funny you have to be smart because it takes a lot of social intelligence as well as

just like knowledge of shit to do references and to understand what people around you are feeling. So I think that your brain works differently and you're just interested in different shit. So I think it took me a couple years to figure that out but my biggest insecurity was just not succeeding and I didn't know what

success meant but it was just like I at maybe 18 or 19 I put like a monetary value on it and I said once I hit this amount of money I'll I'll feel successful and now I'm not here to say that I'm like rolling in it that's not the case but I've learned that money is not my motivator so I'm really not sure what that's awesome well now I still feel like well I actually remember you a couple months ago saying that to me like my goal is to hit this number by this age and it's like yeah a lot of people can do that but are you happy are you doing what you want are you doing what you're you're passionate in. I like just feel like if people go in their right path and they're doing

what they're passionate in, they're going to find success. So, so I think that I've learned my motivator is a really cool life story. And what I mean by that is what a shame it would be to be a boring old person, like to be 85 years old and not command the attention of a younger generation because you have interesting shit to talk about and real experience with real wisdom. So for me, it was like, let me move from Texas to New York City on a whim because What a cool life story chapter that is. I'm from New York City, so I can't even, like, fathom what that was like for you. It was, like, I was shitting my pants.

Like, I moved up with $2,000 total, and my parents said, hey, I'll buy you one thing while you're up there, a plane ticket if you fuck it up. And I was like, okay, oh, my God. So were they not that supportive, or were they just kind of like. No, they were totally, like, do your thing. Yeah. But, like, I'm not going to support. But they're not going to let you continue to fuck up. You do your thing.

And, like, you call me and let me know how it's going. And that was it. So now I think it's like, let me, and the monetary goal that you're referring to that I mentioned a couple months back was I would really like to hit a million dollar net worth by the time that I am done being 25. So before my 26th birthday, I would like to have a million dollars. He's 23, by the way. Yeah, so I'm running low on time. But like, even still, like, if I don't hit that, I don't feel like I will feel failure necessarily. It's just other people have done it.

Like, there have been other self-made, you know, 24-year-old millionaires. But it is hard to compare yourself to people because everyone has, like, a different timing. I feel like everyone, shit goes in waves. Like, some people might be on the high right now and you're on the low, but you're about to come right up. As the pendulum swings. I couldn't agree more. Yeah. My thing is, I would like to be able to say, yeah, guys, like, I worked my ass off from the time that I was 20 to the time that I was 25 and I made a million dollars.

If I don't hit it, I don't feel like it'll be failure. But I'm doing it more for what. What becoming a young millionaire will do for me as a man? I feel like you don't meet a lazy or an uninteresting self-made millionaire by the age of 25. I think it's good to have goals like that as long as it's not like you think that's going to equate the happiness. Because the second you hit that goal, you're going to have to think of another goal, and then you're just always chasing and you're never enjoying the journey. As an old 27-year-old who is so wise, who has seen a lot in my ears.

One thing I learned is after college, I was an athlete, I was a tennis player, very, very, very, very competitive, and I wanted to keep winning. So my dad was in sales, so I went into sales. And I was on the grind, cold calling, and started moving up, moving up by a year and a half, I would guess I was 22. I was making, like, six figures selling. What were you selling? I was selling digital marketing.

Nice. But I was going into the bathroom and legitimately just, like, sitting there as long as I could, so I didn't have to go back on the phones. Like, I really hated it. And I started to realize, like, I don't want to. create. I don't want to take from people. I want to give something to people. And it was a good learning lesson since the very beginning. I was like, I don't give a fuck about how much money I'm making. I want to feel like I'm doing something that excites me, makes me feel alive, and the

money's going to come and go. So it's like with you, I think you're actually already doing that dream part. Like you want to live your dream. Like, you're a fucking entrepreneur at 23. That's pretty great. It takes some people a long time and they wake up with kids and they're, you know, sitting at a desk with a corporate job and they realize shit I didn't do anything I wanted to do because I just want to hit a number so it seems like you have a little bit of both which is pretty cool yeah I mean I've been totally self-employed now under my own company since January so I guess eight months I've been like under my own vigil and it's been awesome so underneath still being able to like live the life that I want to live and have the experiences you know I think this this year alone I've taken or I'm taking 17 trips places. Oh shit. I've been traveling so much. It's crazy. But underneath that, I still kind of have this underlying goal just because it's kind of fun to have. I don't want to just, you know, work hard aimlessly. It's like, let me set some really high striving goals so that, you know, it's kind of like, shoot for the moon. If you miss, you'll end SARS. Like, however cheesy that is.

You sound like a very type A person. So with that said, do you suffer from anxiety? every day like what kind of anxiety the anxiety that I I think I have turned myself into a person that is trying to do like the quote unquote right thing

all the time and that is this kind of costume that I've trapped myself into so it's like I'm the pinch hitter like something needs to get done you know I guess I have really embodied you're kind of a yes man no I've embodied if you want something done right do it yourself and if you know like what is your definition of right well mine is like

freaking perfection i really want shit to go as smoothly as possible i want you know once it's running as smoothly as possible figure out a way to scale it up and make it run that's you know same amount of smooth and that's why you're going to be successful but it's also gonna make shit tough sometime like what because things are going to go wrong no especially running business you know nothing ever goes as planned no so i mean even my roommates were asked recently to describe me and i think one of them says said, well, he's the hardest worker, but to a fault, and sometimes he's kind of an asshole about it. And it was like, you know, like, I...

Well, if you want you to get shit done, I've learned, like, you got to take off my, like, joke hat, and I have to put in my business hat and speak to people, look him in the eye and tell them what I really want. Instead of, like, being that, like, funny, ha, ha, ha, ha, I don't know what's happening. No, exactly. Like, whenever it's work, I'm putting on my work mode. And friendship aside, like, if you're not performing, I'm going to let you know. I'm not here to be an asshole and yell at you. Like, that's not my...

So you'll be anxious until something's perfect. Yes, yes. And do you repeat it in your head? Like, do you think about it all the time? Yeah, I mean, I have this rotating to-do list on the notes in my phone, and it is constantly stacked, and I'm, I stack errands up and I systematically just knock them one, you know, down one by one. And that to do list never seems to go down.

Does this give you any time for a love life? Um, you know, Honestly, since living in New York City, I love life has been so not even on my brain. Are you cheating on me? Every day. That's so fucked up for you to say it on my podcast, drop that bomb on me. Hannah, we're not dating. Since when are we not dating?

I thought, this is a date. This is the best first day I've ever been on. Actually, we've always bonded. You would know if it was a fight, Honeybuns. Have you ever had a terrible heartbreak? Yeah, I would say I've been in love twice. Who hurt you? I will kill her. I will find her family.

I mean, the first one was the thing where we dated for a while, like a year and a half maybe, and then she moved with... Oh my God, I remember when you're 23 and a year and a half dating is like so long. I have like friends now who are 34 and they're like, yeah, we had an eight-year relationship, but then he was just like a dick. I'm like, eight years. And then he was a dick. Like, you didn't know that for the first. Just eight years. Okay, so how did it end?

Like context clues. Geez. Yeah. Yeah, so she moved and then it was just like long distance was kind of destined not to be a sustainable thing. And then the next girlfriend dated her for another year and a half. And I broke up with her right before moving to New York, actually. She kind of, I think she was on the track to get married. And I was like, I'm 19.

I don't know what this is about. That's some Texas shit right there. That is some southern Texas shit down there. Girls in New York are like, I'm 29. Stop trying to make me commit. I need to get my career in order. Yeah. How do you like New York City women?

You can tell me the truth. I'm not offended. They're my favorite women of all the women. Tell me the truth. I know I'm your favorite. Yeah, okay, so let me restate that. You're my favorite woman of all the women. New York City women, I mean, it's just so tough to date.

Like, I, you know, going back to my alternating to-do list, like, I stay so busy just trying to hustle. for myself right now that honestly it's like I hardly see my friends up here I see my clients more than anybody else Do you feel your pressure as a dude to become successful

To like get the best girl No I think that by being a good person I'll get the best girl I love that Yeah you stop trying to make me fall in love with you Is it working? A little bit I don't know if I'm just sweaty

Because it's hot in here Or you're nervous Or I'm nervous No I totally get it When was the last time you were depressed I'm turned on when were you depressed because that really turns me on hearing people be sad

I'm like how sad were you One time I had a dog Keyword had I'm sorry I'm sorry I actually that's not even Animals dying literally is the most upsetting thing to me ever like you know when you're watching a movie in a humidized you're like fuck that dude and then like a cat gets run over by a car

and you're like no if depression turns you on where you're at right now you're young I didn't even know that I was depressed until like 26. Thank you very much. But like I didn't, I just thought I was like. I can even rent a car. I just have to pay a premium on insurance.

Honestly, like I'm totally legal. So when was last time you remember you were depressed? I think that honestly, and this is where getting trapped into that positive, you know, Pete personality on, that was a great whatever. I was nodding my head. I was like, I get it. Personality. Yeah, no.

So I think that I got stuck into that. as a young kid like I've always kind of been the positive guy and ever since I was sucks it's so much energy well yeah ever since I was a young kid I always felt like maybe realistically I wasn't actually there mentally and so I've been to

therapy since I was probably seven like I was talking to yeah no younger than that maybe was it just part of your family that they believe in therapy my parents got a divorce whenever I was one so like I've never really known him together and so they were like okay we want him to turn out normal like put him in therapy

Because so many dudes, like, don't even, my dad won't, I can't even say the word therapy around him and he's like skewed out. I think it's the greatest thing. Like, I am such a huge advocate. I actually, literally. Maybe that's why you're really fucking mature for your age because I feel like you've sorted some shit out. I feel like I also have a really great set of parents that on their own coached me through a lot of things mentally. Like, they were very self-aware. Because they've gone through some shit.

Yeah, and they really took time to diagnose it and break it down and like come at it with a very new. neutral point of view and say, hey, just realistically, here's what's actually happening and then separate your emotions. You're not just putting a band-aid on it. Yeah, it's like, let's get to the core here. And then, you know, you need to hash things out for real. You can't just band-aid fix everything. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal we want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina

Williams. The WMBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else. It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge that we have. For all the biggest stories in women's basketball plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way and we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to, in case you missed it with Christina Williams and IHart Women Sports Production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on IHart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that and that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast in case you missed it with Christina Williams. The WMBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else. It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge that we have. For all the biggest stories in

women's basketball plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way. And we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to, in case you missed it with Christina Williams and IHart Women Sports Production and partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on IHartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Is there any advice from your therapist that you think would help other people that you've learned?

I know this is a very, like, general question. Okay, so I don't know that I would have advice from my therapist. just because I haven't talked to this guy since I moved away from home so probably since I was 20 but I went to the same guy from the time that I was probably 5 to 20 Holy shit

Yeah I haven't seen him in five years I was gonna say today I called his office And I was like just randomly spoke to the receptionist And Bitt said This guy really helped me a lot So if you could have him give me a call back I'd really like to just tell him thank you

Like he had that big of an impact That today just randomly I called him Just to he's 80 years old Like he's still kicking it That's beautiful. Yeah, no. So it really had such a positive impact on my life. So speaking of your parents and how you're brought up,

how do they feel about you posting thirst traps every day on Instagram? I think whenever your segues are just on. Like, these are really... They're so bad. They're good. I have no idea where this conversation is going right now. It's like a fucking roller coaster ride, am I right? Welcome to my life.

This is how my brain works. Isn't that fucked? Yeah, like a little bit. Oh man I was just like envisioning you with her shirt off And I was like still what do your parents think I'm not envisioning Yeah she was just like my eyes are up here Hannah

Okay stop trying to distract me From this question Yeah so He's currently flexing his pecks right now Yeah they're kind of like titty bouncing around What was the question What are your parents things of What are my parents think about thirst traps

I mean like Sean has photos of like His cheekbones and John his hair and then like all the way down to his pubs right below his belly button and you're like in the middle of work and you're like I feel dirty looking at this would you rather me like post really depressing stuff so that you could feel some other type of way then I feel real good um yeah so I think whenever I first moved from Texas to New York City they were really you know kind of taken back at that I came up to New York for five days while I was still leaving in Texas

did five photo shoots and got signed to an agency Holy shit And during that five photo shoots I did a couple underwear shoots Because like whatever It's just a leg And a hip

Are you calling your dick a leg No no no I'm saying like to wear underwear You just see it People call it a baby leg But Do you wear stuff over your dick? Do you wear something over your dick

Like a cup when you do the shoots Or is it like No, it's just all natural. Like, it's just chilling. Damn. Do you ever get a boner doing shoots? Like, a good breeze comes by? Or, like, there's a hot model with you?

Ah, if there's, like, if I'm shooting with another girl, like, it's kind of expected that... You get, like, a little, like, quarter-chub. I'm shooting with, like, a really attractive woman. Like, what do you kind of... But, like, isn't that weird for them to do a photo shoot with a guy with a huge boner? Well, it's not, like, oh, this isn't Ron Burgundy, where it's just like, yo, like, let's do this shoot now. It's not that bad, I promise. I want to play a game with you.

I would think they would think it's very flattering. Like, hey, well, thank you for the compliment. If you didn't get a boner, I was like, I'd be like, what the fuck? No, exactly. So I want to play a game with you. Well, it's not really a game, actually. It's just a segment. It's called Instamosity.

Instomosity. Yeah, it's a big word. So do you remember one picture on your Instagram where you looked happy, but in real life, you weren't? Yes. I have one. Yeah, definitely. I have one of me taking a selfie with my dog And actually I don't know if it's on Facebook or Instagram

That one probably killed because it's a dog and abs There was no abs in this one It was just like a regular like me and my dog like hanging out That's a first Yeah no I mean typically it's thirst trap but not this photo And that was the day that I failed out of college Or like like withdrew before I failed out And so I literally had like been crying like all day

I just feel I've never felt so horrible in my life like that was the biggest failure for me and so i went home and just like sat down and my dog just came up and just laid my lap and i was like this this dog right here man like he he knew you needed it he gets it and you took a photo and were people commenting like oh my god i love no this was four or five years ago so i don't think i had and you know i had an instagram but it was not do you feel like a cooler person now versus that sean who didn't have followers no i feel like the same dumb ass that I was before I ever had a follower like not at all which is really weird to like realize that I have what some might refer to probably incorrectly as a fan base

like I don't believe in that at all I just have a lot of people that watch my shit yeah like I because they don't really know you or get you it's um but I have a question who are you jealous of on Instagram you know you always see the people that you assume don't work at all I think the answer is I'm not jealous of anybody on Instagram I'm not like super envious I look at some people's lives And I'm like oh wow that is really impressive Does anything trigger you on Instagram that can put you in a bad mood No I don't think I let Instagram get over my emotions like you ever see a dude on like a plane

Just like oh just sold my company for 13 million does that piss you off No not really I mean I look at that as just like that'll be me someday Like I look at it more of motivation sometimes I look at guys like Dan Bill Zarian and he's always hanging out with these like big titty hose and it's like okay that is like one hell of a lifestyle but I don't envy that are big titty hos like that they can't talk like this with you no way exactly I want like some guys like girls with natural I want girls with like big titty brains you know what I'm saying like oh shit big dick energy and big titty brains shit time to play the game seven deadly sins seven deadly sins I love this game

It's actually not really game, you're just answering questions again, but it's about the Seven Deadly Sins. Why don't we keep calling these games? Because I love to play games. But they're not games at all. Okay, so, number one, what are you greedy about? Credit. You bad credit. No, no.

And this is something that I am totally self-aware about and even still, and I feel like that's the most important character trait. is if you're going to be a shitty person in some regard, at least acknowledge that, hey, I'm not the best at this. I really struggle with working really hard on something and then letting someone else come in and slap their name on it. Kind of like being the group project guy that does the group project. I hate that so much because I'm always that person in the group projects that's like, let's get this shit done.

There's always some motherfucker that just sits back and takes credit. So I think we're at like a minute 39 and we've probably spent 29 talking about how I'm type A. so like you can see how that would really bother me because you're an entrepreneur now what situations does that happen with you know i'm not even you can call people out full names yeah i'm sure we would love that for the sake of the podcast i love all of my friends equally no i'm not even going to get into it but like it's definitely something that i struggle with yeah but do you make sure that you give people their credit where credits do yeah because i think that goes like karma's a good circle let's circle back i am not the designer for sean alexander underwear

I'm in the face, they're using my name, and I'm in charge of marketing and getting these sold. It's a beautiful design, by the way. My brother is the one that did the logo, the design, he put up the website, set up, the payment processing. I mean, he really is like the brain, and I'm sitting here, I'm big buff pinkie. The second you think that you can do everything. Did you get that pinky in the brain reference, please? No. No, okay.

Well, yeah, I get it. You're pinky. He's a brain. That was good. Thanks. I give you credit where credits do. I do. jokes she got jokes i i do she got funny voices hey let's let's keep the funny to the funny person

right now um i do think that credit is something that like once you understand that you can't do it all you just like believe in yourself and the second you think that you can do it all and that's when like you don't go that far i've learned that like even in this podcast i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for other people who knew how to do shit that I didn't know how to do and I knew I didn't know how to do it I think that's a super important character trait as well like knowing when to bow out yeah I'm not the best administrative work I could tell excel quite it's quite scary to me like I actually hate logistics like I'm like someone make this happen and I'll give you the bigger concept idea so I think one thing that's definitely led to a huge portion of any success

that I've had so far has been saying I'm not good at this let me find somebody who is let me find somebody who is a master of this consult them on what they would do and then go find someone else that I can employ to get that job done so like being able to be a master delegator oh yeah not master baiter master delegator yeah and once you can teach people to do stuff like you do that's how you talked about expanding that's how you expand quickly is when you can teach people how to do what you do still working on that part as well I mean there's also there's a good quote I'm probably going to fuck it up but it's like if you want to do something first do it alone

if you want something to go far and well that's not that quote but do it with others yeah and I really do believe that because you can not delegate and like get your shit done and it's just you but if you want to create a fucking monster and take over the world not with like a monster but I don't know it's been

a long day um next thing what is your favorite quote I'm gonna interview you for a second what is my favorite quote I do yeah like a quote or a passage that you have memorized like a mantra maybe even when it's raining the hoop is always there it's a basketball reference

I was thinking hula hoop and I was like I don't understand you're very dumb I'm just kidding I'm just kidding you're actually not dumb at all I think that would be much better suited with a visual of like a basketball goal I come from basketball family so I always love my dad would always use basketball metaphors for like life and I love the idea

that like even when shit seems horrible and dark and like fucked up you might not see it but the hoop is still there Like you can still score Like basically that even when you're depressed and shit The hoop's actually still there Yeah okay I see that

I thought that would go over better with you No no I appreciate that as an athlete I mean I was a gymnast I didn't I didn't have like the hand-eye coordination One thing whenever I see Sean I'm going to make him do this later On my insta story I always make him do a flip for me Because I think it's awesome Yeah backflips are like really cheap easy entertainment Like it takes maybe a day and a half to learn

Wait you could teach me Oh easy I have to do I have a very long torso. If you are at all an athlete and you can do a box jump, you know, up onto a chair. Oh, I'm good at box jumps. Yeah, no, we can crush a backflip. Okay. What are you gluttonous about?

Do you know what gluttonous means? I mean, I think that's some type of like a pastry, isn't it? What are you overindulgent? That's like the thing that makes people shit. Okay, there are these like, oh. There are these homemade fig bar. like they get sold at a deli two blocks up from mine i buy these 25 at a time why are fig bars so high in calories like i feel so fucked up because when i was little i was like figs healthy

a fig bar is like one little fig bar 60 calories for a little fucking fig maybe we shouldn't get into fitness because i'm going to sit here and talk for the next 16 minutes about dieting but let's just one thing the quality of the calories not the quantity i know yeah don't misconstrue healthy as in line with weight loss or building muscle like just Just because something falls into category healthy does not mean that it is in line with your goals. I love that. Salads are healthy, date bars are healthy, but you can't be trying to get a six-pack eating date bars ten times a day. And too much of anything's bad.

Except for water. You can kind of get about as much as you want. I mean, don't drown, but water is, yeah. So when was the last time you experienced extreme wrath? Extreme wrath Hmm Besides punching the door When you lost your Instagram

I just want to go back to that door It was a really thin door So like it was very easy for my fist You're a fucking huge dude Like you probably punched it pretty hard With like corrugated cardboard You're a monster Yes

What was Les and you're angry Um I think probably Trying to share credit And like realizing that Hey I feel like I've done a disproportionately A larger amount of work here and I feel like the credit was spread...

Evenly. Was not spread evenly. And so I got really frustrated with that. And it's like, you know, am I justified in feeling that way? Maybe. But is it an appropriate reaction for me to be it? Dealing with partners is tough. Yeah.

So it's like, look, rather than allow myself to feel justified in being annoyed that I feel like I did more and got less credit, I'm just going to work on my own feeling. I can't change what happened. I can't change other people. about how you It's not what happens It's how you react It's how you react

So for me it's like Look let me just work on being Less of a jealous person In that regard I'm gonna try to bow out to credit Like let me just work hard And my I still like in back my head

Think you're talking about your credit score No no But like You know sharing the pride in Yeah it is a little bit of ego But yeah So I'm just trying to suppress the ego Yeah suppressing your ego

Your ego is not your am ego My ego. That's my second favorite quote. I like that. I like that. What was I going to, I was going to say how, I forget. What's your favorite book that you've ever read? Oh, oh. Like, okay, like, I want books and or other things that have like really. I like, it's so.

Okay, you think about it. I'm going to give my top three real quick. Yeah. If you want, you want those people to ask me a question just so you can answer the question. No, I really want you to think about your. books okay you think you tell me your books Hannah would you rather tell me your books better tell me your books better than I don't read you

I don't know that's totally cool like that's I mean honestly I don't I've only gotten into reading just recently I just learned how to read no I mean I've really only got into it in the last like three years have you heard this thing called books they're fucking awesome bro You can pick them up and put them down Tell me your book

Sweetheart Um Okay The richest man in Babylon Um How to win friends and influence people And think and grow rich What is it?

Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill What is the second one? How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. Do you think that reading these kind of self-help books actually helps you? Yes. Cool. Without a doubt.

I think I want to read the second one. Okay, so let me ask you. I mean, do you feel like whenever you study up on anything at all and actually try to brush up on it, you become better at it? Yeah, but sometimes I think like the self-help books say a lot of things that are in theory. Like, duh, I know I should do that, but it's harder than that. I personally love buying self-health books and then not reading them. Like, I will go to Barnes & Noble over the fuck. And I will buy all this help books.

They're like, oh, it'll be great. And then I get home and I'm like, I'm too lazy to read that shit. See, so whenever you start reading the books, your mindset changes. Like, I'm just reading these books in order to change myself so that I can adapt to, you know, different circumstances. I love that. You're going to be such a catch when you're 29. When I'm 29, she says. Yeah, you have a lot to learn.

That's why I keep reading books. Exactly. One thing I wanted to say, though, about how you react to situations is because I'm type A. and I was an athlete I was grown with a lot of criticism like every time after a match there's always criticism so I learned that to get better you have to be critical of yourself so I thought that when something happened and being hard to myself I was being good like that's how you get great and then one day I realized

oh if you're just compassionate to yourself it's not like you're being less like successful you're just actually caring for yourself and you know when you've done wrong you don't have to fucking yell at yourself you know when you fucked up but it's about coping with situations with compassion rather than being angry at yourself So I think a lot of people have not figured that out Like you're obviously very

I recently figured it out So I think the reason that I might have Figured that out is I just started reading books That basically told me all these things That are those like duh moments But yeah it is a dumb moment But like they're like oh don't hate yourself It's like oh I don't hate myself

And then a little thing will happen Like your boss will tell you to redo something And you're like you fucking idiot how did you not do that right but instead go you know what Hannah you tried hard learn from what you didn't like continue and your day goes so much better much better no so it's that that's what you read the books for and it was like i just decided what what areas can i study up on that will have the most lasting positive impact on myself like what areas do you think so i figured financial literacy would be a huge one i need to be able to manage money and make money and make it grow

just because money doesn't buy happiness but it buys ease of life and comfort and so it's like look if I want to be able to just do the things that I want to do and be in a position where I can do these charitable events and givebacks I have to be selfish for myself to some degree so let me be financially literate and like read books on how to save money and accumulate wealth how to deal with people like I'm not the I'm not the intellectual guy obviously pre-cal and calculus and like you know you're not book smart that That wasn't my thing. And even still, like, you know, I crushed anatomy in the classes that I enjoy, like, chemistry, biology.

I mean, the fact you're reading impresses me, I'm not going to lie. So it was like, I basically determined I need to be as good with people as I can be. And that means reading up on these things that, yeah, I already knew, like, okay, maintain good eye contact. If you're in a bad mood, force yourself to smile. Like, literally force a cheeky, fake smile. Hold that sucker for a minute. You're not going to be in a bad mood. That must look so weird if people are watching.

But these are little things that you learn, and it's like, look, I have control over my emotions now. We don't learn those things. Like, no one told me how to cope with my emotions. Are you playing footsie with me? Well, that was my knee, but yeah. I liked it. Sweet. No, but in school, no one talks to you about, like, how to deal with your emotions, how to deal with the negative voices in your head, how to cope with dark times.

We're talking about science and math and English, which is important. but mental health is so much more important than those things to an extent like gym class, great. Can we have a gym class for our mind? That's why I think the fact that you've done therapy from a young age

is pretty awesome. You've asked me what my favorite quote is. What's your favorite quote? It comes from one of the books. So if you want to like, you know, give me an LOL on that one, like obviously you could have probably seen that one coming. LOL.

Thank you. No, so my favorite quote comes from Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill and it's called the self-confidence formula on page 42

so yeah I've probably like open that book a handful of times cute and so it's a five-step process that you know I basically

whenever I was 19 printed it out had it taped to my mirror and I read it out loud every single day and I had 10 short-term goals 10 long-term goals

and then five attributes about myself that I did not feel like I was up to par with that I needed to work on so like one of those I remember was like I need to be

better in the face of criticism I need to stop biting my nails like like it was just random things but like you know I mean it was as vast as being better in the face of criticism and stop biting my fingernails which by the way like I feel like I've improved the criticism thing but my nails are still just fuck all like they're horrible so but the quote goes I fully realize that no wealth or position can long endure unless built upon truth and justice therefore I will engage in no transaction which does not benefit all humid effects I will succeed by attracting to myself the forces I wish to use

and the cooperation of other people I will induce others to serve me because of my willingness to serve others and I will eliminate hatred, envy, jealousy, selfishness, and cynicism by developing love for all of humanity because I know that a negative attitude towards others can never bring me success

I will cause others to believe in me because I will believe in them and in myself. Wow. Yeah. I'm like astounding. I'm astounded that you've memorized I couldn't remember that I know you're so cute

like that's like on the spot but yeah thanks for making my quote look like shit also I just want to say like I I don't have a whole lot of other quotes on that so you know like if you ever ask me on the street like you're like hey check out this quote I know hey I'm gonna quote this shit while I do a backflip right now

and you're all gonna be wet by the end of this well now all the dude's watching yeah exactly now that I feel super inspired I've won last question for you for our seven deadly sins. Yes, you can take me on day. When was the last time you lusted over somebody?

Right now. That's what I wanted you say. I test people at the end and some people don't say me. This sound check guys giving me eyes this whole time. With that said, Sean, I want to thank you so much for burning in hell with me. You've opened up about some of your demons and given some really great advice. Everyone follow Sean at Sean underscore Alexander. No, Sean Alexander with two R.

No underscores, no numbers. Ignore my underscore comment. A couple letters. If you want to see his thirst traps for your spank bank. Why? I don't like that. I love that. You stay classy in New York City.

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