Berner Phone - Talia Lichtstein: The Philosopher of Hate & Negativity

Episode Date: April 14, 2022

Talia and I met at an airport and quickly fell in love. She blew up based off of TikTok videos where she talks about stuff she hates. She has gotten a lot of backlash but she also has a lot of supporters who hate the rampant toxic positivity on the internet. I ask her about her demons to see how she became the philosopher of all the hate in the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just moments after he shot his load down my throat, the first thing he thought to say as I'm swallowing his cum was your friend Hannah yesterday, really funny and cool. That's what he said. And that's how we, me and you almost had sex. Yeah. Welcome to Burning and Hell. What is up? My Little Devils. We have the queen of hell, the queen of hate, the queen of fire, the queen of dark emotions. I couldn't think of a more perfect person to be on hell. And I actually have a huge girl crush on her and she's my new best friend. Talia Lichten. Hi. A girl crush? Yeah. I think that's the highest compliment you could ever get in the girl world. I know. Like I'm obsessed with you. I don't have a girl crush on you. I have like a crush. Like I want to fuck. you. Oh. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I want to fuck you and I want to talk to you after. I love,

I don't know that way about anybody. Shut up. I don't do breakfast with any of my hookups, but I do. We have been in a hotel bed together at the holiday inn. I think we've gotten to a certain point in our relationship. I don't know. We should do anal. Yeah. That's literally what I was thinking. You've read my mind. Also, when I said your last name, I thought of licking your butthole. Great. Now I'll never be able to see my wife. last name again. Thank you so much. You're like, okay, going to change my last name. You had to say butthole. It couldn't have been like licking your pussy. What should I said? Arsehole. Excuse you've been spending for this time with your fiance. I'm also with a jet like she's very cool

Gen Z. So every now and then I get paranoid that I say something chuggy. Is it chuggy to say chuggy? I think it is. Yeah. Shit. Okay. Anyway, um, so I was like looking you up like what are the people saying about this bitch? Not good things. They you're called TikTok's professional. hateer. Yeah, it's true. I do like that. Well, I'm going to just go in hot because I don't care at Small Talk. Why do you think if you were a man hating on everything on TikTok, you would get similar reactions as a woman? I think people would think I was a hero, like literally an American hero. People would think she's the next Larry David. People would say, oh my God, I always talk about this. People do, I think that as a female

comedian or a female internet personality people hold you to this standard of being nice and particularly to other women. And no, I'm not getting on my podcast microphone or on my TikTok and saying like, this woman's ugly or that's not the kind of talking about women I would ever talk about. Well, it's like Drew

Afuelo who is like, I'm mean to bigots, who are mostly men and we're all like, yeah. And then, well, like, listen, Anne Coulter's a woman and Casey Anthony's a woman and people who have you know, platforms that I don't like or people that I don't think are funny, but maybe aren't even evil people, but they're women. Like, I just, I criticize people, period. And I talk about

not, not even people. I think culture. Culture. I'll go from like, it's not, you're a philosopher. Thank you. Thank you. I deserve a PhD. Shut up. But what I'm saying is, I'm held to this standard of not having an opinion in the name of being nice. So you have, I don't think men are. You're not just true, true and true you're not just walking around like hating on everything it's a schick that you do right which is walking around hating on everything it's called like things i hate on tic talk and you've blown up from it and i really love it because i think that women are supposed to be caretakers we're supposed to be easygoing we're supposed to always smile when we're uncomfortable and i feel like you're the

antithesis of that and i think you're actually like fifth wave feminism thank you very much i think that i am the messiah and i think that ruth bader ginsberg died right before I went viral and her spirit was sent into mine. No, I really do though. I think that people, my whole thing is like, I'm going to be as honest as possible. I'm going to say exactly what I think and I'm not going to sugarcoat my feelings. I'm going to just come out there and not worry about. And by the way, and if you're not familiar with my stuff, when I say, I'm just going to say what I think. It's not like I'm getting on there and saying like, boo, gay people. No, no, no. It's not bigotry. It's, I hate slow walkers and I hate the color red for some reason. And I hate

you know a certain way that they make my coffee that kind of thing were you yeah when the it's the wrong shade of brown were you opinionated as a child yes big time where do you think that comes from because i was someone who was a people pleaser is a people pleaser took a while to even form my own opinions because i just wanted i was like an athlete so i just was like how high should i jump and i you have to teach yourself to not have opinions because if you're having opinions on while you're playing sports you're not a dumb jock and you're probably overthinking stuff and losing So I was just trained to be a robot. So that's why I think I look up to you and that you're so not afraid of people not liking you based on opinions.

Is your family opinionated? Where did this come from? Look at your evil smile right now. She's like, it's my superpower. I'm Jewish. That's where it came from. People are always like, wow, you're so opinionated. It's so like revolutionary.

You're like a grumpy, funny girl. Your whole thing is being grumpy. And I'm like, have you never heard of a Jewish person? that's how I can tell that they've never met a Jew is they're like oh my God it's you're grumpy

and it's funny that's so like different I did not invent this if you've ever heard of Fran Liebowitz you've heard of Larry David Chelsea Handler any Jewish comedian

the schick even Jerry Seinfeld who's not like mean and he's very positive and tone but he's complaining but he's making observations about negative things

in the world that he doesn't like yes this is a Jewish thing it's a comedian thing so you're saying people who don't like you are actually

anti-Semitic that's exactly what I'm saying yeah that's thank you I would like to put that, write that down. Yeah. I actually just did TikTok yesterday where I was like, I'm half Italian, half Jewish, so some people call me a pizza bagel. And then for the second part of the joke, I'm like, I did other people call me a slut.

But I was going to also say, also other people call me annoying, or also other people say, I don't shut the fuck up. And those are all just parts of being, like, part of immigrants who moved to New York. Great. Why did, I guess a bunch of Jews went to L.A. yeah there's it's a coastal thing yeah there's a specific breed of jew called coastal jews yes and we are very um i think that that's where the cultural uh stereotype comes from like we're not in the suburbs i mean we're in like a lot of city yeah and a lot of business i'm a very stereotypical coastal

jew i'm very much um a city girl but you're not a new yorker and that's not however i've spoken to this girl i spent a whole weekend of south by southwest with this girl Yeah. Yeah. And she is a New Yorker at heart. Can we talk about our little love triangle a South by Southwest? Because that was problematic. Okay. Here's what happens. I don't know if it's because she's, you know, she's engaged.

Super hot. She wanted some sort of last hurrah. I don't know if she just like she feels like she doesn't get enough excitement or flirting in her life anymore. She's getting married really soon. She wanted to have this experience. maybe she was bored maybe she couldn't stand the idea of me talking to a man in front of her and she felt neglected whatever it was Hannah saw me talking to a cute man tall who was taller than me and she said I'm going to ruin it and I go to the bathroom I come back and this girl who by the way has a rock on her fucking finger large a large one is talking to the sky like

they're sitting like at you know a little diner and he's twirling her hair of me listening to death keep in mind this guy was like no it's my age whatever but she it wasn't about the fact that you were like flirting with him you just like you wanted to have some fun i think like you were just bored and so she's flirting with him and okay here's what happened and mean flirting let's be honest no but that's what the boys like that yeah she flirted and she was so charming that the next day When I blew him in the parking lot of the holiday in, in his car, just moments after he shot his load down my throat, the first thing he thought to say as I'm swallowing his come was, your friend Hannah yesterday, really funny and cool. That's what he said.

And that's how we, me and you almost had sex. Yeah, technically. Technically, he was thinking of me while he came in you, while you, and if his thoughts were of me were in his spur. and it went inside you, I fucked you. And you got me pregnant. At least your throat. Yeah, you gave me, or you gave me throat, Chlamydia, which is a thing. Which everyone's getting, don't feel bad if you have it.

Speaking of blowjobs, would you like to talk about how I got invited to your wedding? Pure manipulation and bribery, truly. I bribed someone to take me as a plus. Well, okay, so Hannah and I became friends recently. Should we give like a brief synopsis? Yeah, take over. Girl, take over. Tell them what's good. We were already, we knew each other through the internet.

We knew each other through whatever. Did you like me before you met me? Okay, because I liked you too. But I... I'm going to manifest this right now and just say, me and you have met in a past life. I do think so, yeah. And we're meant to meet to shit on things together, make fun of things together. But I do see potential business partnerships in our future.

I don't know what's going to be the, like, home run. I think we've got a couple of ideas that have the potential to break the internet. I just think we met for a reason and when we meet at the airport, I wait for her, because I got off earlier, wait for her. And I don't really do that. I'm normally trying to get out of situations, but for some reason I felt comfortable in your space. You stood in the terminal and you waited for me, right by the gate. She sat there waiting for me when I was the last to deplane. That's love, okay?

Sitting at a gate for anybody is love. So she stood there and I get off the plane, we Uber together, we click immediately. going over each other's entire life stories and we are at the holiday in. We decided to eat at the holiday in. Don't eat at the holiday in. We almost died. Well, you ordered shrimp, which was aggressive. I ordered shrimp at the holiday in.

Very aggressive. It tasted like chewing on the bottom of my shoe. She spit it out and I was like happy. You know, most of the time you grow up, I was like, please spit that out. We also had a drunk lady who kept talking to us and you were kind of enjoying it at first. and then we got a full-on problem. You were smarter than me, though. When the drunk people approach you,

you're supposed to not engage. And Hannah knew immediately she was like, she's funny, but don't do it. I also was so invested in our conversation where, like, if we were bored, I totally would have had fun with it, but I was like picking your brain because me and you have so many similarities

and shit like that. And then we realized we're going to be at the same events. And then you left, and then we've stayed in touch. We really did, and we really clicked. And we decided, I said, I want to be at your wedding. Like, we became friends. But it's difficult, as those who planned a wedding know, I'm sure.

Why don't I feel like sucking dick has to do with this story, too? I'm going to get to it. Sorry, I'm going to get to it. I don't want to give up the punchline. She, it's difficult to just add a random person when you're getting close to your wedding. But we came up with a plan to get me into Hannah's wedding. Hannah said, Hannah and I have a mutual friend. Yes.

Who I happen to have blown once or twice. once sort of tall handsome funny man great but I said you know what I bet he doesn't have a date yet and you gave him a plus one that way which I was regretting table I was like he's not that important why to give him a plus one because he was going to be an idiot you don't bring a stranger to a wedding it's more fun to bring somebody you can be friends with and have fun with and dance with it's also more fun to bring a mutual friend who is going to be a part of my life longer I didn't want him to just bring someone to like show off that he's going to a wedding right and he's at a wedding and he's never going to remember her name in two weeks.

So is it official? Did he say he'll take you? Oh, he's taking me. And now that we're also saying it on the podcast, he cannot take it back. His exact words were, first of all, I bribed him with A, a sandwich. We have the same sandwich place that we both like. I said I'd buy him by him. B, I said, you know, there's potential blow jobs in your future.

We can split a hotel room, make it a whole thing. He's so cheap. He's like, I think we should take the train back that night. I'm like, no, we're going to go and stay there and I'm going to have sex with you. That's what's going to happen. Why else are we going to a wedding? Ew, Dylan. Whoops.

I mean, people are going to find out. Dylan's been on the pod. He's a friend of the pod. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay, we have to make sure he's okay with this. He won't be. He loves cloud.

Oh, my God. Yeah, Dylan would love it. He's fine with it. Yeah. Whatever. Anyway, so I tell Dylan, like, you know, come on. How fun would it be? We're dressed.

up. We have a couple drinks. Get back to the room. Like, have a good time. So he said, unless I meet the love of my life and within a week, you're coming to the wedding. I say, fuck you. How do you know that you could be the love of his life and he's just looking at other places? I think I am. I'm not even kidding. We get along so well. I don't think he's a love of my wife. Yeah. But sometimes when we're talking, I'm like, you know I'm the one. Wait, that is hilarious. And I know exactly. exactly what you mean where you're like, I would, no, thank you, but you would be so lucky to have me in your life. He would love me to be his wife. I do have to say, I feel like me and you are similar in the way that, tell me if I'm wrong, we have a confidence where we feel like we can

make any man fall in love with us. Every man, no, every man is in love with me. Yes. It's not a matter of making them fall. They see me and they love me. Yes. And I do think going back to the South by Southwest moment, that guy was overstimulated by two funny women. Yeah. And I, My perspective, besides just cheating on my fiance, which is like a casual Saturday, we, he was talking to you and you were like, oh, tall man, and he said something stupid to me. So I had to put him in his place. Wait, stupid like that. I mean, I was like, are you a real comedian? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, we had to show him. And I had to annoy him. And then I was like, he could tell that I didn't like him, which like then he needed to put his attention towards me. And then she started insta storing being like this girl is engaged, like she's stealing her man. Then I had to go perform because mom needs to make money for this family. and then you posted like you were making out with him I think during my set and you posted like got him bitch and then he texted me the next day being like may have hooked up with him in a car on a highway yeah no right off the side and I want to let you know I'm proud of you thank you because we support other women no here on this pod other women slut themselves out let other women have casual sex in a car and get fingered but also let's let's remember you are in your early 20s yes there's going to be a point I got to a point I got to a point point where you just kind of get exhausted like you're not like right of some of the bad sexual experiences you have in your 20s of men who just don't know how things work how they work this was

probably the youngest guy I've hooked up with in years and he was my age like I don't like men who are anywhere near my age good that doesn't mean that they're any more mature yes guys my age yeah 35 but they do tend to know what they're doing a little bit more and I don't like a guy with a ton of sexual stamina because I get a little sore I get tired so I want them to kind of tap out after one or two rounds and that's what the 30 year olds do for sure for sure no I like to say that if he takes forever to come like he doesn't have a job and he's poor um we have shit to do you know like I can't be fucking for two hours and then like and you chafe yeah and then like limping I don't need to be Ariana Grande whatever she sings about on the way here I wrote some stuff that I hate

because I'm trying to, like, be cool. Great. Um, umbrellas. Why? How is it 2022? And we have not updated the umbrella. You're right. You know what I mean?

And then also I feel like I would rather walk with the umbrella than actually take the time to open it and, like, disrupt everyone's space around me. And then, like, there's the condom umbrellas and there's people with, like, large-ass umbrellas. Wait, wait, wait, a condom umbrella? That's the ones that are clear that go, like, way over their head. Yeah, I don't like that. Which I don't like that. Like, I'm at the point where I'd rather get wet than deal with an umbrella.

I feel the exact way. I can barely deal with a purse. I don't know what's the problem with all of us. If nobody had an umbrella period. Nobody would get stabbed in the eye. Nobody would have to deal with like it's the wind and the turning umbrella in the out. Like midtown with umbrellas is actually unsafe. It's actually a hazard.

I'd rather drown than get poked in the eye. I wonder how many times every time it rains in New York. I'm sure two people go. Lungon with an eye out. I'd like to see the statistics. But also think about it. Why can't we invent maybe like a thing that goes over the streets? The whole city.

No, that's so brilliant. I'm saying what if nobody had umbrellas ever and we all just collectively agreed to be wet? Or what if it was like a cool hat? What if it was a cool hat? Santa's like, okay, more invention, please. But what if everyone, counterpoint? What if everyone was wet so it wasn't weird to be wet? Go bikinis.

Everyone, when it rains, everyone just like wore, t-shirts like wet t-shirts and everyone was doing a wet t-shirt contest and once again the entire world falls in love with me because my nip-to-tit ratio gets to be shown off oh you know you do have unbelievable bums have you seen them naked and i've envisioned them you want to see them right now i saw you trying on your um what was the polly pocket or whatever oh my princess paul your outfits so cute and i was like oh my god sexual and And I love that women can be funny and have masculine qualities. I put that in quotations because it shouldn't be masculine qualities.

The boobs are coming where like you can be negative, you can be gross, you can be assertive, you can be in a bad mood, you cannot smile. These are all masking qualities, which I hope in a couple of years is just a quality of a human. While also people being like, I need to fuck her. Because I feel like for so long and people say that to themselves. I mean, that's what you tell yourself that people tell yourself. So, you've manifested. I felt like every night thinking.

My friend Paige, who's one of the most gorgeous people in the world, is like, she's like your confidence of people wanting to fuck you to me. She's like, is unreal. Like, I'm really like that. And people actually talk shit because I was like seeing this like model guy on Summerhouse and everyone's like he's probably the host guy she's ever been with. And I'm saying this on air for the first time. He's not.

Yeah. I've always been the kind of person that likes to be with people who are better looking than me because that's fun for me. And I think it's feminist to have models and like hot football guys around me who I don't respect emotionally because I have intimacy issues and I like to be like I would never marry these men but they're beautiful. And I think it's super empowering until I met the guy that I not only thought was beautiful, but I respected mentally. I am the exact opposite. I like men. If I'm not going to form any sort of bond with them, if I want to, like they can't have any sort of like emotional or mental capacity that is greater than mine.

if I'm going to like them or if I'm going to not like them. Like I'm just going to hook up with them. They have to be stupid. Yes. But if I like them, I don't care really like if they're hot. Yeah. They just have to be really smart and really funny. And that's the only way I'm going to develop feelings. But I like the way that you did it. I am, as you said, I'm hoeing around. I'm in my early 20s. I don't feel any pressure to have a serious relationship unless he walks through the door and he is what you have. I want somebody who is going to be downright. 100% perfect for me, 100% supportive. Yep. I don't recall listening to you talk about your relationship, a time where you ever were confused about Des, or he ever, like, added stress to your life. He came in and it was just smooth sailing and it was like, great, this guy likes me. I like him.

I don't have time. And in my 20s, I could be on a yacht. I can't do that when I'm 37. Unfortunately, the way that society works is when you're very young and hot and perky, you get more things in your life. and that's not fair but it's the way that life is and I want to take advantage of that so the only way that I'm going to not be a single hot

23 year old is if the perfect man presented himself and that hasn't happened so why would I settle? I also don't think it will because you are still developing to be like the person you're going to be so for everyone who's like oh I'm hot in my early 20s I need to find a man now

no because you're going to settle for someone who's only where you are what you need to find is like a 40 year old man who maybe doesn't speak English, but it has the best intentions and has a lot of money. And makes you come really easily. Right. And wants to take you to, you know, Dubai or something. Like, you need somebody who's going to give you amazing experiences. When I dated in my 20s, I never dated to marry. Never. And I was very, I never was like, this guy's the one. I was very like, oh, I love this man right now.

And I also remember having painful relationships and knowing, like, thank God, I had this in my early 20s because then when the right thing comes around, I'm going to be like clear, like, okay, I love that you do this and you don't do this because I've experienced those bad things. You know what you don't want. So date to date, don't date to marry in your 20s. And also when I was 23, yeah, I didn't, I didn't know my career path. I didn't know anything. It's great to meet someone young and grow with them, but that is difficult. Right. I just don't, I'm not saying it's impossible to like be in love with your high school or college sweetheart and actually have a wonderful mutually beneficial relationship and grow into your own individual people. I've

seen it happen, but I don't think it's likely. And I think that the best way to do it is the way that you did it, which I'm trying to emulate, which is like, I know, I'm like dating to learn. I'm dating to have fun and learn. And every single heartbreaker, even, it's like training wheels for marriage. Exactly. And the heartbreaks don't hurt anymore once you have one or two. And also, even if you don't get married, who gives a fuck? And also, I do want to argue with you though, because you're like, I'm so fun and perking my 20s. I'm the best looking I've ever looked this year. I'm 30. Yes. But. Does society do these gross men who want to put you on a table in Vegas and have you dance around and shoot money at you with a money gun? Are those people going to come to you? Yes, they would now because you look amazing and you're beautiful. But when you're 40, no. I don't I don't care for that scene. Right. So that's not like in terms of how I feel about myself, I feel like my face has like grown into itself. Oh, you're beautiful. Thank you. And I feel like personally in my family like my mom like her 30s were like her hottest. Like she's you're you're you're

You also understand, like, your metabolism. You understand your mental health more. So you actually glow in a different way in your 30s. So this is, I did a stand-up set yesterday. And some girl was turning 25. And I go, oh, great. Yeah, I just turned 30. And she goes, you look amazing for 30.

Like, as if I was a fucking dinosaur. And it, like, took everything in me to not, like, make a bunch of jokes. You look amazing for 30? I literally look for I'm like, I'm not a dinosaur. I'm 30. I'm not. 72 without a lamp being like wow you look great

your knees are still intact okay other things I hate because I was really excited about small bags that are cute but I can't fit all my shit in it you're that's a very tiny bag that you brought in very tiny bag

so I hate it oh I understand okay so the bag that you're currently using you hate hate got it I have to put my wallet in a certain specific angle for it to fit yeah and you know I'm bopping around and I don't have time to make sure geometry works. I also don't like that they're so small. They make me look bigger.

It's a fact. When you have a tiny shoulder bag that's like less than a foot long, you by default, like if the bag is smaller than my tits, I look huge from the front. You look like an ogre. I look gigantic. It's sort of like holding like if you hold, you know, a Polly Pockets house next to a Barbie, the barbee is a gigantic giant. That's what happens.

That's why girls like dainty drinking 40s. I do have to say this. The aesthetic is a vibe. Yeah, it's a thing. Other thing I hate is people, you might have said these before. By the way, this is called common thought. It happens sometimes in comedy.

The word essentially, when people say the word essentially, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, you're right. It literally doesn't mean anything except you're trying to act like you're smarter than everyone. No, you're right. Also, genuinely, I say a lot.

I don't think it really adds anything at all. It doesn't, but it's a little more kuth and essentially sounds like you're pitching me you're an NFT that I don't want to learn about. Did you write this down while we were talking because I feel like I've said essentially eight times. No, but you haven't. You haven't.

Okay, good. And don't get annoyed. But how do you feel about people who get weird about using philo words? Like, philoh words? I think filler words are part of existing. I don't think it makes you sound dumb. No. I really don't. Like I think also cursing. I don't think it makes a person sound. I also that when I'm talking to someone who uses like a lot, I will use like a lot. If I'm talking to someone who doesn't, who sounds um, I might say um, it's part of like mirroring. And if I'm giving,

if I'm doing stand up or I'm doing a speech, I don't like to say like. If I'm just vibe with my friend and she language is about understanding people. If you understand what I said, if you think I'm dumb, that's a you problem. Right. Right. No, you just got to get the point across and that's it. Also, I say when I'm tired, I say fuck as a filler word and it just makes me seem cool. Do you use good grammar when you're sexting? This is a conversation a lot of people. What a good question. Like, do you, do you say things like you with Y OU or just you, the letter you? Like, do you abbreviate? Do you use punctuation? Or you just go well? So I'm with an older man. So you know he's like spelling shit out. Really? And I don't want him,

like I don't want to just use you if he, I like to do the mirroring. Yeah, yeah. But if he's being like messy and silly with his grammar, I'll be messy and silly back. Right. But I don't hate a well thought out like almost like a Shakespearean type. I've seen paragraphs where they're explaining in detail how they're going to do what they want to do to you. Well, my advice for sexting is you have to envision, like, you have an essay and you have to hit 300 words, but you don't have 300 words. So it's all about finding every fucking adjective because if you're like, I want to touch your

dick, not good. You have to say, I want to take my soft long fingers. See, you're just adding fucking words. wrap it around your gigantic throbbing pulsating and that's fucking gets him going and like so yeah just add as many adjectives as possible right if a guy fucks up grammar during sexting i don't love it i it immediately takes me out when he uses an emoji no emojis i don't do emojis in any way especially men who use the laugh cry emoji that's an immediate like i'm dry i can't the only time a man can't never use emoji is if he's doing it in a funny way with like a dick of eggplant emoji or like a fire emoji in a funny way yeah yeah yeah no they it has to be like ironic emojis the mail the males on

the internet came for me once long time ago i did a tweet that said if you use exclamation marks in your text i will never fuck you and it it got posted on kind of a mail followed site i was i was getting threatened for my life i think when a guy's texting with exclamation marks it's like annoying he was like hey exclamation mark oh no no no no I don't like that at all I'm talking about when there's something genuinely exciting to happen I don't like when men downplay oh no I'm just saying like back and forth you're going to know someone and he's like hey exclamation mark no no you I would argue that you know if you're going to be able to date a guy from the first text he ever sends you like I I know if I'm going to like a guy I've been in some situations where this is the thing

when you're a good texter as we are and we're very cocky about it. Oh, I'm the best. I can't tell if this is a good text conversation and I'm just really good at texting because I've had situations where I can get good text chemistry with someone. I meet them in person.

I'm like, ugh. No, the banter, when it doesn't come out in person, it kills you. You need the text banter and you need the in-person banter. But you need to be doing bits. You need to come up with inside jokes and you need to be bouncing off of each other. And when the guy texts you the next day

and the text is like, hey, exclamation point, emoji, happy face. I had the best time last night, period. We have to do it again, period. No, no, no. That's not your husband. Your husband would have a bit. Like, remember last night with the hot sauce, blah, blah, blah. I'll see you next week with the hot sauce again.

I saw this. I sent a picture. Thought of you. Well, because that's called connecting. That's called connecting. That's intimacy. And it's creating a bond. You're creating a personal relationship.

Hey, great to do that. That sounds like something that your interviewer would send you after a Zoom. interview. I love that now. I love that now we're talking about texting strategies because I have so many thoughts about it. But I my biggest rule is keep the high value conversations for in person. Don't text to text. Don't tell them about your life. None of that stuff. Because then when you're in person, you have nothing to ask them. That applies to friends too. Yes. Don't text to text. And I would also argue that like I love phone calls with men. So it's like if you want to talk to me, you call me. We face time. that's fun because if you're in that like high dopamine texting time that is not sustainable

ever i don't care if it's your your soulmate so you if you start it with bad like not great texting right that's good every guy that's ever really been able to cause me deep emotional pain like broken my heart it's a relationship that was based around texting like a lot of texting because that's in dopamine rush is every time you see their name on the screen if it's happening a couple times a day. It's like hitting a drug. And you never fully realized who he actually is in person to be able to be like, oh, he's not the right guy for me. Instead, you're like, he was the person that brought me so many eyes. Right. You just seeing their name on your phone so much for such short periods of time can create withdrawals when it ends. You're completely right about that.

Next thing I hate. Go. Not uncut gems, but uncut bagels. If I order a bagel, Have you ever gotten a bagel that's not cut? I cannot even touch a bagel that's not toasted. Agreed. Have you ever seen somebody put cream cheese on an un? It's vile. And I've noticed in New York, you have to say that you want it toasted. What the fuck?

Because the New York bagels are so high quality that like you can, like, because it's like doughy. However, you're not going to have butter on toast. You're not going to have scion cream cheese on toasted. You're not going to have locks and cream cheese. You're not going to have tuna fish on toasted. So also when I cut it myself, I fuck it up. I get myself, it is chaotic. I never perfectly cut a bagel in my life.

But they'll, I, have you ever been to like a conference room? Like they have the catering and they have these untosted bagels and you have to spread the cream cheese. I want to vomit on an un toasted bagel. No. It actually, like, it's sickening. It's sickening. It's like putting a slice of wheat bread in your mouth and stuffing a spoonful of cream cheese in there and just, chewing it all together. It's basically taking four pieces of Wonderbread, pushing them together and stuffing

it in your mouth. And then putting cheese on it. Have you ever seen somebody scoop out the middle of a bagel? Fuck you. What are you? Those are like people who hate themselves. I think it's an eating disorder. Yeah, I would say that too. Eat the whole bagel. They have options for that too always now. Just get like a skinnier bagel then. Speaking of eating disorders, how is your mental health? How are you, do you deal with anxiety? Do you deal with depression? Are you, how do you, how do you, How do you, whatever, you know what the question is. I definitely have dealt with clinical depression. I just think it runs in my family.

Again, Jewish. Like, I don't know. I'm an Ashtonzi Jew. I think it's a thing. Sam, yeah. stomach issues for us. Yes. But I'm very fortunate in that it's never like taken a toll.

I've never really had to go on meds for it. I just kind of know like what my patterns are and when it's kind of coming. Can you tell me them? I tend to, I eat. Like I definitely like I think I binge eat, not to the point where it's a disorder, but to the point I use food. There are times in my life where I eat, I live to eat and I don't eat to emotional eating. That's like not supposed to be. Same. Like you're full, but you for some reason need to eat more. I don't have a good relationship with food and that food is very emotional for me.

I assign a lot of like emotional value to like what I'm eating. But so I think that's an issue mentally. I also, the TikTok thing has not being like internet famous, even if it's like niche microcelebrity it's not good for you in any way people are not built to be catering to a million people especially in this day and age where it's online everyone's i don't even have to explain this you get exactly what i'm saying everyone's coming from such different places and everyone's trying so hard to be perfect in what they say that you are constantly manicuring everything to fit the ears of a zillion different people who all have different things that piss them off and different things that they feel righteous about like

it's not healthy. You're in an interesting place, though, where, like, you're like the John McEnroe of TikTok. Do you understand that reference? I really appreciate that. That was actually a really good reference, write that on. And because you thrive off of the hate. Right.

Because what I would tell a lot of creators that I've had to tell myself is once, if you're speaking to the haters when you're performing, it's going to hurt your creativity. Like, when I start thinking of what my friends are going to. to laugh at versus what the people who hate me are going to laugh at. You're actually not going to post as much. Right. You're not going to be as funny. You're not going to be as loose. And you have to be very free with comedy to make mistakes. But with you, you're kind of always speaking to the haters. Thank you. So it almost kind of works because you'll, you'll be like, I'm back. You didn't want me back. And that's like your shtick. Right. No, I got banned the other week.

You did. It's never going to happen again. So don't fucking try to make it happen. I figured it out. Or are you freaking out the whole time. The minute it happened. Obviously, look, TikTok is my livelihood. It started my career. I hope to use it as a stepping stone. I'm not trying to make money off of TikTok forever, but for the time being, in this transitional period, it is crucial that I maintain my TikTok account. So to wake up and see that it was gone was actually the worst moment of my life. I did have some people on the phone. Like, I called people immediately, people that could help, people that could console me. And some people were like, okay, but it's a TikTok account. It's not. Somebody said to me, it's not like somebody died. First of all, who in their

life during a time of crisis has ever been comforted by the thought, it's not like somebody died. That's like telling somebody, oh, people are dying in Africa. Like, no, everything is relative. And if you knew me well enough, you'd know that there are people in my life, I'd rather have die than lose this account. Second wall, also, it is your livelihood. It is literally my livelihood. So in that moment, it was terrible. However, I was very certain also. I had this dual thing where I was like, yes, this is a worst moment of my life. I know that it will come back because I know I didn't do anything wrong. And I have contacts at TikTok. This is going to get solved very quickly. but it was still a moment of freak out

and that day I couldn't post anything I wasn't thinking of content because I knew that the account was gone but I kind of knew deep down it was going to come back so I relaxed you know what I did that day?

I went to Central Park alone I got an ice cream from one of the trucks I got a magnum bar and I sat with my vape on the great lawn and I just chilled that sounds regal as fuck

all day long and I you know had a couple calls I just got on the phone people, hey, can get my account back, whatever, emailing people. But I was not thinking of things to post. I wasn't thinking about, oh, I need to engage with the followers. I need to answer their questions. I need to respond to the comments. I need to post something. It's five o'clock. And for people who aren't content creators, she doesn't get a day off. There's not like, oh,

it's Saturday. No one's going to reply. No. Next week is Passover. I'm supposed to go home. I want to see my family. I didn't even consider that I'm going to have to carve out time that day to be making the videos, to be recording the podcast, to be recording my other, like, Snapchat shows that I do. Like, there's so much shit and nobody gives a content creator a week off. I'm not saying this to compare myself to people with nine to fives because they face a whole different situation. I could not handle.

I could not handle. There are different problems with different jobs. And I get that my job is easier in a lot of ways. However, there is a mental toll. And the toll is that you are constantly, constantly working. You can never shut it off. you can never take an hour off you can never take a break and every morning you check your phone a lot of people check their phone when they wake up to see if their boyfriend texted them to see

what the weather is going to be like I check my phone to see if my career is over while I was sleeping to see if I was canceled for something which by the way I don't think there's anything out there that could possibly cancel me for the time being and that I can foresee but things happen for no reason my account gets banned for no reason sometimes did they have a reason no they to this day they have never because I want to know who like if it was a person who keeps like reporting you frankly i'm sure that's what it is i think i say things and i have an attitude that people find very some people like it's always these positive gurus like the sunshine happy home goods moms who have like you know signs in their house that they don't tell us we're

aren't the people you need to connect to no absolutely not it's never my audience that doesn't understand me but my videos land on their pages sometimes and they will report and report and report because they just think that I'm such a miserable person and I don't know why it bugs them, but whatever. Let me be miserable. Let me be myself. And I frankly, like, to me, misery looks like having to put on a smile all day long and pretend that nothing is wrong and nothing bothers you. And for the sake of being a positive person for those around you because you're afraid that a negative mindset will affect those around you. I think that all my friends would consider me very upbeat. It's not like I'm raining on everyone's parade. You have very positive energy. Thank you. You light up a room with your negativity. Shut up. Thanks.

You sound like all my teachers in elementary school. I was a pleasure to have in class. I really was. It's not like I was like a young Larry David just sitting there on the rainbow carpet. Like I fucking hate this shit. Like I hate this book that we're reading today. Also, a lot of the things that you hate are things that like are hilarious to hate. Well, I think it's very relatable and it's mostly things that other people hate.

So I don't know why it bothers people. But people do associate. Any sort of negative commentary. A, they think that this is my entire life. It's not. It's a shtick that I do online. I film the video for five minutes and then I am myself. But I think that letting out your negative emotions about things, that doesn't make you miserable.

In fact, I think I'm one of the more content people that I know because I allow myself to let these thoughts pass through me. I feel my feelings. I don't have to like everything. I don't have to be happy. Do you ever feel like you will run out of things to hate? I always, that's my biggest fear. Yeah. And that's why I try to diversify.

the content a lot and I vlog and stuff, whatever. And I always go to sleep. Like, what if I can't think of anything? And then I always do. And I've made 70-something of these videos. And I've never ran out. I think it's just like a never-ending like spout. It's your purpose. I think this is what I was put here to do. And there are times when I'll like accidentally repeat things. And they're like, she's running out of things to say. She said that 10 videos ago. I'm like, I just I just hate it. And I forgot. Like it's crazy that you remember that. And I didn't get off my jockstrap. But I do want people to understand that I really think what you're doing is good for women in that you're showing that women don't have to show up at work and be happy despite being uncomfortable or being upset and normalize women having emotions of anger and sadness and frustration and that it's okay and that it doesn't make you a demon. Thank you.

It means a lot to me. I really do think that the people, the so-called feminists who criticize me for not being positive. especially when I speak. I'll criticize other women in the art world. The other day I said, oh, I think that this Taylor Swift song is overrated or something

and suddenly I was misogynist. Like these are things that women need to, it's, as I said earlier, it's not like you're criticizing women for no reason. You are allowed to make artistic commentary about anybody as a woman and you should be,

stand in your right to have an opinion on things because the moment people tell you that having an opinion is anti-women. They're using feminism as a tool to, once again suppress you.

You need to be able to stay sure. You're also creating boundaries, which are really important. Like if someone knows that you're going to be okay with everything, relationships, work, friendships, you're fucked. Right. You have to show that you have opinions on things. And also even relationships, if you don't show early on what your opinions are on things, that man is going to push you to your limit.

And then you're going to be just a walking. You need to set your boundaries early and set them clearly in every single facet of your life, especially with men. Like, you can't be this person who's, like, cool with everything. I was, this whole thing. I have a villain origin story. I was the ultimate pick me girl. I was the ultimate cool girl, like that they talk about and gone girl, drinking the beers and giving the head. And now I still do those things, but I do them because it's fun for me. I like to give head in the holiday and parking lot because this guy was hot and I was having a great time, okay? But I really did like live for men when I was like in high school. I lived for

their approval and them thinking I was easygoing. Cool, never combative. Women are so, I'm not like other girls. I'm not like the other girls. They're always so like, they don't get it. They're so annoying. But drama. You need to like, no, be a girl with an opinion. Be a girl who stands up for herself has negative things to say is not happy. Is not like you you should be grumpy. That's okay. And don't, especially as I said, for a female internet personality, for a female entertainer, people expect us to be nice and like they have this sweet demeanor for some reason whereas if my entire schick was being like mean judgmental and you know not sugarcoding things you wouldn't ever call me a mean girl you wouldn't call me mean if I were a guy you'd call me

Joe Rogan you'd call me Tim Dillon you know I just don't understand why people have to say things like oh she's such a bully when in reality if I were a guy I'd just be really bold but you're also doing well because you're being authentic and you're different and you're kind of a of the curve. I mean, the biggest fights I've ever had has always been with men. I just have to say that. Yeah. Also, have you delved into toxic positivity at all in your work? Mm-hmm. In your art. In my art. Because I'd love for you to like be coming, going for things that are toxic and positivity. Well, at the very beginning, I wasn't even thinking about this whole, like the negativity thing. I was just trying to say something that was myself, get on TikTok, do something

that hadn't been done before, and it was going really well in the summer when I first started, and I was getting invited onto some podcasts, and they all wanted to talk about mental health. And I didn't understand. I'm like, I'm no mental health advocate. I'm literally getting on here and just being myself and talking about things I hate. But it was all about this toxic positivity, which is a word I'd heard a couple of times, but I had never thought that it was something that anybody else. And TikTok is full of it. And just like Tumblr was before TikTok, just like Instagram was. Like, it's, it's a theme to associate misery with having an opinion and being negative about anything. And I don't, I didn't realize that that was weighing on other people's mental health as much as it was mine.

And it's a genuine problem. And I like that people see me as some sort of advocate against that and like an antidote to that. And I'm happy to play that role. But I can't say I'm like the mental health guru. But antidote is a great word because sometimes, you know, when you, social media is all consuming energies and, That's on to Super L.A., but just bear with me, when you see someone and you know she's about to show off how great her day is, I don't get a great vibe from it. But when you pop up on my screen, I go, oh, she's about to tell it like it is. And you're not, you think of what your purpose is.

You're not on there to tell people, look, how great my day is. You're actually on there to be like, I have shit to complain about. Well, let's be honest, isn't most of the stuff going on in your head a lot of the time negative? So to see someone outwardly be negative like that, it's so fucking refreshing. I'm so glad. And it had the same effect on me. There's a reason that my favorite shows growing up were like Seinfeld curb. Like I felt so relaxed, not by watching.

Relaxed watching Larry David stress the fuck out. It's really like something about him being so flustered. Something that I noticed recently about Seinfeld is that all of the main characters are like anti the world. They're all really, I'm not saying they're depressed. They're not unhappy people. They are just very critical of the world. and they hate people, they're Jewish. But they hate, they're not people, people. They hate people. And that's what makes Seinfeld so relatable and so real and fun. I really, as a kid and as a teenager, was so put at ease by Larry David, by the fact that this person's entire thing was like being critical and being displeased with other people. And I didn't realize that that was like, I don't know, I don't, I'm not going to say it's rare because he's huge and this is.

whole genre of comedy now. But like, it really does put a lot of people at ease, I think, to see my videos. And the commentary that I get most of the time is like this, I get so excited to see you on my freebie page because I can like breathe out. I can relax. Well, you're not posting to like, for the male gaze at all, which is really nice. I thank you. And you're not posting to be like, look how pretty I am today. You just are being yourself and you're naturally. I think you're so brave for looking so ugly. But you know what like the point of a videos to be like, like, how hot I am. And the comments are all like, you're so beautiful.

And it's like, okay, that girl got what she wanted. Where yours is just like, hi, I'm existing. Welcome to my, like, current philosophy of hate. We're going to wrap it up with a final game because I could talk to you forever. And you are. I really want to get McDonald's after this. Did you know that this studio is right next to one of my favorite places to eat in the whole city? Where?

There's a whole, there's this steam rice roll. Oh. So good. And it's only $5, I think. Well, Welcome to Chinatown, bitch. I love it here. I love Canal Street.

I'm going to get... It's amazing. It's amazing. After this. Oh, my God. Newtop is where I got this... Your butter necklace. Yeah, I want some nice, like, gold stuff.

I had it forever. It's where all the rappers go, Newtop. Really? Right? I heard it was that popular jewelry next door. Popular jewelry. Go both. Go both.

Yeah. Okay. It's time to play the Seven Deadly Sends. Seven Deadly Sins. What do you greedy about? Money and men. Also, being hot. I literally just talked about that you don't care about the male gays.

And she goes, men and being hot. It's not about pleasing men. It's about I just love attention from anybody in general. And I do love. It's not about like, I don't know how to say this. I do love when they think I'm hot. I'm not going to say that I'm the perfect example of feminism, okay? I'm not sitting here saying I'm Gloria Steinem.

I do love the male gays. How would you define hot? I want them to want to fuck me. I want them to want to marry me. I want everyone to really be genuinely attracted to me. I don't dress that way. I don't dress for the male gays. You just said in my videos, I'm never wearing makeup.

I never really look good. But I do. There's something about men wanting me that gives me so much power. How hot does it feel when a man wants you when you're not trying at all? dude it that is the ultimate power bitches it literally gets me wetter than anything else when I'm ugly and the guy's still into me it like the most the hottest thing I've ever heard in my life was when some guy that I thought was really funny and respected a lot for his comedy said that I was really funny and he found it hot it truly like I convulsed you know how a lot of girls are like I want to find someone who makes me laugh no no I want to find someone who laughs at me yes or like you both laugh at the same time because that is like misogyny internalized yeah i love i start pointing i don't even know which camera i'm talking to but i got really into that where is the cameras don't worry about it you'll get distracted who oh yeah

guys we're on youtube now so check out burning and hell on youtube who are you envious of um i'm envious of anybody who's a little bit quicker than me in terms of comedy i'm envious of like anybody who can come up with a punchline faster and trying I feel like being around these people yourself included makes me better that's why I want to be around them but it also hurts like to be around people who are so much better than I was literally going to laugh because I thought you were going to say being around people who just like hate things faster than me no but it's true like anybody like if I were to sit in a room with Larry David for example somebody somebody was genuinely gifted and very very quick it would be a such an important learning experience for me but so hard

for me to be like it would really discourage me in a way I would be both inspired I guess that's where you're supposed to be but it's also like when you're with someone who's so fucking witty and funny and you're around them a lot you see how their brain works you see their patterns and like you really that's why hang out with comedians is literally save my life like I was in reality TV with right and it's full of a lot of people who care about you know followers and fame in a in a way of not like actually doing something like affect people but more just like for the sake of being famous and then to find people who are so obsessed with just the art of making people laugh

and being around their minds all the time and comics are sick, sick humans. I'm not saying we should aspire to be them. They're not all good people. But to your, and it is sick that your goal all the time is to make other people laugh. That's like a whole other podcast. But when you surround yourself with funny people,

you naturally are funnier. And then your brain works in new ways that's super exciting and your brain is always evolving, which is fun. And I can't wait to see what you do in comedy. How you feel about the reality TV people is exactly how I feel about the influencer community. And they kind of cross over a little. It's just a community that like I.

And some of them are amazing. Some of them are amazing. Many, most of them are and they're all lovely and incredible talent. But imagine being at an influencer dinner every night. It'll start to affect you. They're also just like they don't, I don't think that they're talented and they don't have the, they have this eye for a thing that I don't have, which is like lifestyle, fashion and like making their life marketable and beautiful. I don't have that.

I am a little witty. I am clever. And I want to be around people whose gift is that rather than, like, truly making things beautiful and entertaining, which is not my talent. And beauty is in the eye of the holder. I think it's beautiful when someone laughs and they think it's beautiful when they have, like, the perfect coffee aesthetic that I would, like, spill on myself. When was the last time you experienced extreme wrath or anger? On my way here. What did you do?

It's fucking raining, Hannah. True. I don't do any sort of weather that's not 65 and sunny. Welcome to New York. It's really, this has been the only thing about New York that's really about me. New York feeds me. I really do. But don't you love the like 40 degree weather where you wear like a cute trench coat or jacket?

And then when it does get hot, it's like getting off a toxic relationship where you're like, oh my God, that's why I was depressed. It wasn't me. It was the weather. I've yet to experience that I moved here in December. I have not had a ray of sunshine touch my skin. And the cherry blossoms are coming out, girl. It is getting beautiful.

I'm so excited for you, even though you're still going to find things to hate about it. When is the last time you were a sloth or a lazy piece of shit? This morning. I am constantly that. Another thing that I envy is people with a work ethic. I am not that person. You definitely have a work ethic. I just think that society has told us like Gary V is the aesthetic for work ethics.

I feel like you work 247 in a way that works for you. Yeah, no, definitely I work and I work hard. I mean, so nice to you, by the way. why. I'm in a good mood. This whole thing is about hell. Be a little bit, come on. I know. I should have shot on you more. It's cut. You can like tell when I actually like the person in the interview. It's also because you're not a man. Yeah. I save most of my. I do. Oh my God. You should what? Listen to Dylan Paladino's episode. I do. I do. I rip this man apart to the point that like he couldn't look me in the eye for like three months, but he liked it. This is what this episode's going to be for him and I. We'll just send it. We'll see if he still takes me to the wedding. Maybe I'll have you guys both on for a recap of the wedding. Also, there are going to be cute Irish men there. Oh, I'm down to hook up with people that are not him. I just use that. I love what you're like, I need to go to you.

I'm sure there's going to be lots of fun people to talk to. I just wanted him to take me. And then I said that perhaps maybe he'd get something sexual out of it. And you know, I love the drama. I'm putting you right in between him and a hot man. Sorry. Thank you. I'm going to be like focusing on that the whole time.

When was the last time you let your ego get in the way of something? How's your ego now that you have like four? million followers. My ego, first of all, I don't have four million, only a million point one. But my ego runs my life. Most people are like, I'm working to get rid of it. No, no, no, no, no. My ego is perfect. I love my ego. My ego fuels me. Everything, my biggest thing in life, I cannot be humiliated. My ego cannot be bruised ever. That is my biggest thing. You have to get over that to be a stand-up. Why do you think I haven't been able to take this live?

Like, I have the hardest time reconciling with being embarrassed, bombing. I know everyone says if you want to be a comedian, you have to be okay with the idea of bombing. I am absolutely not okay with that. I am so happy you brought this up. It's never going to happen to me. I can't. I talked to Esther Bivitsky, and she said her superpower's rejection. And that was really interesting to me because she's very successful and she's a great comic.

My superpower is that I never get embarrassed. It's really weird. I don't know why it is. I just, like, I can. literally rip a fart right now accidentally and I won't care but like embarrassed like I mean I've been embarrassed like I've been shame is different but in terms of bombing sometimes the best laughs you get are saying a shitty joke that no one laughs and then being like oh everyone's ass so got tight because I brought up that right like that so like you kind of as long as you're yourself it's not the

stereotypical bomb that people bombing is like when you're trying so hard to make jokes funny that aren't. As long as you stay likable and you're in the room, even addressing the honesty of like, wow, there's four people. This is going to go terribly. Let's do it together. Like, you don't actually bomb when you're in that mentality. It's just the idea of even in like individual relationships with men. It's not rejection that gets me. It is humiliation. It would be, if a guy were to break up with me, I would be very, I'm very good at dealing with that type of rejection in a mature way. He sits me down. I mean, a man never has, but if they did. If they did. If they did, If they were to hypothetically do that in an alternate universe, if they somehow got sick of my

perfect nip to tit ratio, my gigantic gargantuan breasts, which have the tiniest nipples you've ever seen, if they somehow in some world tired of titty fucking these beauties, which never will happen. And they sat me down and said, Talia, I have lost feelings for you and I don't want to continue. I would be very good at dealing with that. and I usually am. And I did child acting when I was a kid. I think that's why I was constantly being rejected.

So did Tim Villain. It's a thing. There's a reason that we're like this. It's a villain origin story. I was always auditioning for shit. I did kids pop. I did all that stuff. And that is what created this mentality.

I'm very comfortable being rejected. What I can't do is public humiliation, which is funny because my whole thing on TikTok is humiliating other people. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Public humiliation is the only way of orgasm. I only orgasm that I have soft. on.

Wait, wait, no. Your thing is humiliation. My thing is my feet need to be warm. Is it true that your orgasm better with socks on? Because Paige and I had a whole thing I'll giga squad about people who go to, do you sleep with socks on? No, no, no. You just put them on for game time? I hate that for you.

Oh my God. But yeah, public humiliation to, it says more about, I don't know. It's something that you need a challenge and it's an exciting journey for you. I'm happy for that. Thank you. I'm very self-aware. Thank you. I pride myself on that. Also, what is humiliation? You tried your best and failed? No, it's... That's an anxiety thing. That's anxiety and it's not real. It's a room for people. It's an illogical thought. What? Having the same thought about you that it's negative. That's humiliation. One guy rejecting me for a good reason is not humiliating. It's life. But also a whole room of people, you're just trying

to do the best you can and you're still acting. Yeah. Like stand up as an act. I'm doing an act for people i know i know it like seriously just get on stage um this is this is when i'm being tough older sister okay i know i know i need to get over it when was the last time you lusted over someone oh my god i have the biggest crush right now you do yeah i do oh i love a crush stage i'm like i don't know what does he know who you are yeah of course have you fucked no how long you've been friends um less than a year what do you like about him i just think he's so smart and funny and mature and I just think he's the best. Like I and I never talk about men that way. It's really bad. Like I all are you still in the friend zone? Big time. I never talk about men like this.

I just have the biggest crush on him. I never have crushes. Do you talk all the time like friends? All the time. When are you going to make your move? I don't know. Do you remember MTV friend zone? I'm a little younger than you. MTV had the most amazing shows like parental control. Do you know about parental control. No. I know about parents switch parent and like no no no no parental control was like the parents hate the girlfriend or something and the parents would sit and like

watch a date. It was crazy shit. I can't but friend zone was you'd get someone being like I'm going to tell my friend that I'm in love with them. Really? They would literally film it. It was fucking crazy on MTV but I'm really excited for this for you but you will it is make a break like you either lose your friend or like you're falling love forever. That's the issue. And

That type of thing, weirdly. Having gone drunk with him? No. Yeah, that's probably the easiest to be drunk. I'm like, whoopsies? I know. I know. I know.

I need to get him. Should I put it back? Should I keep it out? Yeah. I need to just like lean over. I know my moves. I'm very good with flirting. But also remember that men are dumb.

Like, he could have no idea that he knows I'm flirting. But he also could feel like you're fucking tons of other guys and like you do this with everyone. Well, that's the issue with my whole brand is part of my, what I do on TikTok is I vlog my date. This has ruined my brand so much. I used to. being a girl who's constantly going, A, I can't, nobody wants to date me because my whole thing is that I'm talking about the guys I'm dating.

And then humiliating them. I'm humiliating them. I'm coming up with nicknames for them, creating a whole storyline on my TikTok. I'm walking home from one night stands. And sometimes I'll, like for, I recently did this Princess Pauly ad, which I will big reveal. If you got this far on the podcast, you get to hear a secret. The whole, like the whole thing was I had my one night stand rate the outfits. That is a guy I've never slept with in my life.

That was one of my best guy friends. I fake some of them because it's funny content It still seems real and it's usually based off of real stuff You guys this is TV magic People think that I'm guys that I go on dates Would think that I'm fucking way more than I am Because of the content

It's also annoying once you're in the public Where people will go into dates Thinking a type of way about you Exactly and also I can't have a boyfriend Because it will ruin my brand What will I have to talk about? I know It's just whatever

The thing is you have to understand that whatever's relatable about you being single and messy now, you will find the same relatability of when you're in a relationship. There's a lot of shit to hate too. Oh, 100%. I'll find plenty of stuff to talk about. But it's, I like that my whole thing right now, as I said in the beginning, I'm looking for a very specific type of guy and I'm only willing to settle down for that type of guy. And until I find that guy, I'm not looking for a relationship. But if I were to find that guy right now. And that's great. That would be great. But it would, I'd have to change my whole persona because so much of what I do is talking about,

dating. But also the thing in life, look how wise I am right now, is that nothing is stagnant. And it's always evolving. It's always changing the atom, the molecules. It's always happening. And it's change is actually good. And if you were still doing the same shit on TikTok in four years, that would be a problem. Well, look at Alex Cooper. Her whole thing was being like the single girl, the getting fucked all the time. And now she's like, the girl, she's a healthy advice because she's got this great boyfriend. So things can change. I mean, I still, I think I'm going to open my like wedding speech being like, we're still decentering men from our lives. I'm so happy to be here. You need to start your vows with like, although this is terrible for my brand. No, I literally like, guys, these center men from your lives. I happen to have found this great one, but like, it's not about him.

This is not a lesson for you. Oh my God. Okay, so to wrap this up, final question I ask everyone. What advice do you have for the little devils on how to cope with your hell? When you're in your darkest time, what do you do to get yourself out of it? I don't know if this will be the perfect advice for everybody, but I like to deal with things always by isolating. I always deal with things myself. And I find that some people like to be surrounded by other people. But when I talk to them, and they're still in a like a long-term problem,

they're saying, I've talked to so many people. I talk to my therapist. I talk to everybody in my life and everyone's giving me advice. And I've called into your podcast and I'm asking for advice. I think that sometimes a lot of people don't realize that the advice is within them, and I never ask for advice anymore. And I don't have that many serious conflicts or crises in my life because I really think that I have the answers. And a lot of the people in my life are just chatter. Okay, that is so fucking amazing. Nobody knows you better than you know yourself. And this goes full circle. That's connected to you actually being really in touch with your opinions. And I'm someone who used to ask everyone for advice on everything. And it would get super confusing because I wasn't

listening to my own voice when you're right. It's just like happiness. It's here. And then there's things that cloud it. And so many people in this podcast do say, reach out to your friends. And sometimes I'm like, my friends are going through their own shit. My friends are seeing it through their own lens of their own experiences. I'm dropping a new logo for Britting in Hell. And I saw like five logos. And I knew which one I liked. And I go, this is great. Let's send it to some other people. They've confused the fuck out of me. Right. When like at the end of the day, I don't even care what their stuff is, but I'm

like, are they seeing something differently? And then you realize everyone's living life in their own journey and their own perspectives. Work on understanding your own voice. And there's no actual right answer for things. Right. But get in touch with their gut. And I'm really proud of you for that. Yeah.

You have to trust your gut. And think about it also. There have been people who've called into my podcast and been like, I'm such a people pleaser. What do I do? I need advice. And it's like, well, think about every time you ask a bunch of people for advice on one situation and you don't take certain people's advice. You feel kind of bad because you have to go

back and tell them that you didn't take their advice. And then you're pleasing people. And then you're pleasing people. Because I literally asked them. They did me a favor to bring advice. I hated their advice. And now you're going to go against it and you're going to feel bad when you post the logo because oops, you didn't listen to their advice and you made them give it to you. I'm basically like, go fuck yourself. You need to think of yourself first. And now that I've stopped asking for advice, my friends will ask me for advice on certain things. And I'm like, are you crazy asking me for advice on this. I had a friend asked me, you know, I don't know whether to go to this grad school or stay. This is a major life decision that will change the trajectory of your 20s. How the fuck are

you coming to me for this? You are the only one that can make this decision. It is so big. It's not what should I have for lunch. It's what am I going to do with my life? You can't ask people about that. You need to do it because nobody's going to give you the right advice. My new thing is, especially with dating, I always go, the fact that you're asking me this means you know that. You know the answer. You always know it. Is the answer to most advice. Like my friend big, do you think he likes me even though he did this? I go, would you be asking me if you didn't know

the answer to this? Like if you have to ask, you know, whenever a friend goes, should I break up with him? I go, you know the answer to this. The fact that you're even, when you start Googling, asking questions, should I be in this relationship still? You know you shouldn't. Right. Once that shit hits the Google, you know.

Right. Once your TikTok algorithm starts popping up about abusive relationships, you know you're in one. Talia, where can people follow you for more hate and philosophies. Give me all the goods. Where can people listen to you, watch you? Tell me the shit. Sure. Well, my TikTok account is at Tali Likstein, T-A-L-I-A, L-C-H-T-S-D-E-I-N. It's a tough one. You don't have to try and pronounce it, but that's it. She'll come up. I am on Twitter and Instagram at the exact same handle. And you can search bad vibes on Spotify. That's my podcast with Alexis Barber. And yep, that's it. Thanks for coming to hell, you guys. And we'll talk to you

later and check this episode out on YouTube. Bye.