Berner Phone - Tank Sinatra: Influencers In The Wild & Bad Ideas

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

Tank Sinatra is the founder of the board game and page Influencers in the Wild, Tanks Good News, and his meme page Tank Sinatra. He talks about how he started his successful business and what happened with his failed ones. He also opens up about sobriety, depression, fatherhood, and life after covid. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Burning Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I'm in the Dark Dups of Hell with a meme king, but he's not only a meme king. He is a real, real, real one. He's a friend of the pod. He was our 25th episode. Yeah.

Tank fucking Sinai. Like, middle name, baby. Hell yeah, like royalty. What'd you say? You said tank fucking sinatra. Oh, yeah. Tfk, let's go. Dude, I remember when I first met you, I was like, this meathead is going to give the worst interview.

Wow. But you gave such an insightful, beautiful interview about everything. You were so vulnerable and open, so I can't wait to get, like, dark and emotional again with you. Oh, we're going to get so dark, yeah. But you've also brought me a president. A president. Sorry, it's early in the morning. Where's my president?

George Bush team. A president, which is, you know, I love presents. It's called Influencers in the Wild, The Game. Yeah. Go places, gain followers, get famous, no talent required. That is my child. Where do we even begin? Where do we start?

I don't know. I can't believe I was the 25th episode. Like, it's early. That's really early. I know. I felt like you were already doing great at that point. I feel like I was like, oh my God, I can't believe me. going to be on Burning and Hell.

I couldn't believe I got you on the pod. We both were just trying to impress each other the whole time. Holy crap. But it was good timing for us. I'm like, holy shit, you've been in the meme game for so long in a really sustainable way where a lot of people aren't. It's very difficult. But if we're going to do this, it's probably just going to be an hour of us just

making each other's butt home. I'm so happy for you that you're still going too because it's not easy to stay. busy in this world because people really don't care about you at all. No. They're so easy to like, they're so quick to be like, you're boring, move on to the next person. Ooh, that's really good advice. I do think I've been hardened in terms of, yeah, people will be like, oh, if I just find a manager, an agent.

And I go, look, no one gives a fuck about you. You have to make them care about you. And don't take anything personally when people are not interested in you because it's business. Well, either you're funny or you're not. That's what I like about humor. That's what I remember watching Seinfeld's movie comedian when he went back out on the road after he retired all his material. Yep. You've watched it?

Yeah. I've watched it like a hundred times. So Colin Quinn and him are talking and they're like, comedy's like you get three minutes of grace. If you're like a huge name, those people can still bomb. And it feels just as bad. It's like you get, I forget the, the people he uses maybe like Jackie Mason or Jack. Jack something. I could never actually get the last name.

But it's like, all right, buddy, make us laugh, you know? You don't get anything. You don't know you're only as good as your last laugh. But it evens the playing fields, especially with like, I love social media because anyone now, you don't have to wait for Hollywood to choose you. Yeah. Anyone could be discovered through just making, like, creative quality content. And I think you've been great in pivoting.

Yeah. As in like when, it was like three years ago when we first interviewed. Get comfortable. Yeah. I get, let's fucking go. Buckle up. I feel like meme pages were like, like I had worked for betches. Like it was the thing.

Oh my God, that's right. It was like a bubble that we were. I literally was getting paid full time to work for a meme company. I forgot about that. Holy crap. But then you started developing. You were newly talking about Tink's good news. When I was on the first time.

Yeah. Yeah, it was brand new. 2017. Yes. No, no. 2019 is when I started. The end of 2017 is when I started it. Okay.

And then it was still new. But it was like... Yeah, yeah, that was like my baby back then. What I wanted to happen with Thanks Good News, what I said would be the best case scenario is other people come along and make other pages like that. And I become not irrelevant, but like I wanted copycat pages. I wanted people to go, hey, this is something that's happening on this page.

This guy's page exploded. I also think there should be a page dedicated to this. I'm going to pick different stories or position in a different way. I ideally want ABC. CBS, CNN, Fox, all the big media companies to go, you know what? Maybe America's had enough of the adrenaline spike, the constant fear driving for the past.

The cortisol addiction. The cortisol just through the roof. Maybe they've had enough. Maybe it's time to like tell everyone what went right during the day. That's what I don't watch the news. Oh my God. I mean, if that were to happen, I would like nothing more than to just retire that page.

Well, but the problem is, What are moms going to call you stressing about? Like, there's a, there's so much to stress. Killer ants coming through to kill everyone in the Lowery Side. Thanks, Mom. There's so much to stress about. There's more than an hour. But if they just had a segment of like, wait, let's talk about a good story.

Because there are tons of them. There's too many for me to even post. You just posted one of a fellow comedian. Oh, yeah. Ariel Elias. So she got a tax, basically. in New Jersey at a club that I've actually performed at and she asked for like a Q&A which does get risky yeah and someone goes do you vote for Biden or Trump yeah and starts coming for her and

she handled it amazing well that's why I posted it because some comments were like hey this is not good news why are you posting this and I was like and I commented I try to reply to like one type of comments or that way it doesn't get like bogged down I want you know what I mean I want one comment to stick out and then sometimes people get negative attention and then they delete the comment and I'm like fuck I wanted that I replied to you specifically yeah as an example yeah not to make an example but just like I didn't want to reply because I I posted this because this and then replied to the other comment the other comment that was like the one I replied to but she left it because of the way she handled it the way she

handled it was like I would have been Khabib Nirmagamatov jumping off the stage into the crowd had the guy in a choke in two seconds so for people don't know don't know, a full beer can was thrown and not like tossed. Well, to back up, she goes, she did a Q&A. And then this is just such an annoying question anyway. The woman goes, did you vote for Trump? Those are fighting words in my opinion. Yeah.

Because you're looking for a problem. First of all, it's almost 2,023. Take down the Trump 2020. Unless you have a time machine. of some sort. Like, it's fucking over. He lost. And it's okay. Take the yell. Like, that's, to me, those people are not Trump supporters. Those are lunatic, fringe, Q and on people who just, they're crazy anyway. That's just, they could have been, they, they would have asked a different question. That woman was looking for a fight.

It could, she could have been, whatever, you know, do you, uh, do you support abortion, whatever, it's just a hot topic for her to be drunk and be annoying about? She goes, well, what do you think and you know i'm the only jew in the in this room you're trying to get me killed and then and then her comeback that's the other reason i posted it so good the woman goes i can tell by your votes you by your jokes you voted for biden and she goes i can tell by the fact that you're still talking when nobody wants you to that you voted for trump so good holy crap so good um and then blah blah blah back and forth i don't care who you voted for and like you said i think it was her husband throws a full beer can and it smashes against the brick next to her.

Like, it was hard. It was hard, and it was full. Yeah. Because not only did it smash against the wall and explode, there was still enough for her to pick up and chugs, which was iconic legend queen behavior. That's like a career-making moment, in my opinion. Yeah.

That's like, oh, that's the girl who kind of, I don't remember the woman's name, but remember when somebody. Harvey Weinstein? Yeah, I was about to say. She was like, yo. I'm about to roast the shit out of you. Yeah.

That was career making. Yeah. And it's so funny because these comics, they're my friends. Like every weekend, she was opening for this guy, John Marco, who's an amazing comic, who's on Burning in Hell. Yeah. She never thought that putting her iPhone to try to get some good crowdwork could have been such a moment. But that's why also, for anyone who's depressed out there, and we have a lot of depressed

girlies listening, you don't know in life what, where the moment is or when, but it's just like keeping your brain open to those things and when and that girl turned something so negative into something so empowering oh my God it was incredible and I said in the caption I'm like this honestly for me is not a statement

on politics no it's a statement on grace under fire and making something that was so negative and violent into something that was like yo I'm unto like she was literally in my mind in that moment untouchable like she was like yeah I don't I'm a comedian, boom, bow.

Like, you slammed the drink. I'm surprised. I think people were in the comments were like, how is the crowd not going bananas right now? Well, the crowd was shook. Shook. They were, they couldn't believe what just happened. I think that's why they didn't react as nuts. The thing that also was so impressive about her is when someone, like, that woman should have been removed, but like, it doesn't.

It was too fast. It was too quick. But like, when that stuff is happening, it ruins the whole. whole mood and your job as a comic is if you get mad at them or start acting snippy with them yeah no one's having fun and it's hard to recover from that yeah so she stayed in character of like this a schick this is funny i'm a comic because you can't turn into what you really want to say which is like bitch i'm just trying to work tonight i'm trying to make my hundred bucks can you shut the fuck but instead you have to you're still on the clock yeah so the fact that she was able to stay in character the whole time because it's like what you said so many people

would have broke. A lot of comics, like, you'll see them get annoyed when people are just getting chatty in a club and then everyone gets tight. Oh, I would have went viral for the exact opposite reason. Man murders husband. Guy who runs tanks good news murders guy in comedy club. So you have tanks good news. You have Tank Sinatra, which is the OG. Then you've influencers in the wild. Yes. Where do you comb and get this content from? It's all submitted. It's all submitted from all the world. So here's a two-part answer. So influencers in the wild, you know the comments by celebs? Yes, we love them. So they saw something in the algorithm that they exploited where they started ranking verified comments higher up so that you could actually see the celebrity's comments

on other celebrities' posts. So they were like, let's make this a whole life. Let's make this a career, basically. First it was an account, then it became a celebrity talking, whatever, that it was a podcast now they're you know whatever that was just something that i noticed and i wasn't the first person to notice it i'm sure but they would go viral on video pages the influencer content well there was something about it that just hadn't been nailed down yet i don't know if it was the name that i chose or the fact that i really just went full force into it and was like yo i'm making a page dedicated to this and here's what it's called and here's what it's going to be but it's i mean And it was, I thought Tanks Good News grew fast.

Tanks Good News grew to $100,000 in a week. Wow. I was like, oh my God. This is crazy. I can't believe it. I have another page now. This is great. Yeah.

And then that grew to a million in three weeks. Oh, my God. And two million in two months. And I was like, what is happening? Especially when your whole identity was Tanks and Atra. Yeah. And then you're like, holy shit, I actually have so many different pieces to the puzzle. And it was all.

Like you said about Ariel, it was all not accidental, but it certainly wasn't like by design. It wasn't like in 2017. I was like, all right, here's what I'm going to do. This is my plan. No. It was more like noticing something that needed to be exposed, but not in like a negative sense. Like I've said time and time again, I'm not exposing the individual. I'm elevating the behavior, not because I look down on it, but because I'm in on the joke.

like I do the same thing these people. Yes. I'll shoot content on 38th Street and 8th Avenue and look insane. And I wonder what it looks like from the other point of view. I also think it's good for people's mental health to see the realistic situation of girls, how ridiculous it is to ultimately look perfect and have people jealous of you. When it's actually a much messier route to get to that aspirational video. Good.

Yeah. People have been confused by the account for some time Because it's run by a man And because it's mostly women They think I'm some kind of misogynistic pig Which is insane Because I'm not at all Well, because you are one of the influencers

You live in that world Well, it's more like On TikTok, which my account is banned, by the way Two million followers just gone Because TikTok's like a little bit more annoying As far as like people have. Do you have a contact there? I have multiple contacts that I've hit

up multiple times like it's just not happening yeah it's okay it is what it is so there was this guy who made a video so i've never told this story publicly before maybe i'll give you some like clips to insert so you can see what it is there was a girl on the beach who was in a bikini who was dancing she was dancing bad that's irrelevant she had it wasn't like she was killing it you know she was out of rhythm i don't even know what she was doing but she had a ringlight on the beach. So my caption was, man, if only there was some sort of natural, sustainable source of light, she could tap into, right?

It's so funny. It's just a joke, man. That is so funny. People, where's my camera? Which one am I? Oh, two. It's just a joke. Obviously a joke.

Where would she even plug it in? It's, I mean, I cannot. be more obvious about it being humorous. The whole thing is humorous. Where did this take a dark turn? Oh, people went berserk. They were like, why are you making fun of her? Why are you making fun of her?

It's like, I'm not making fun of her specifically. I don't know who this person is. I'm making fun of it. Ring lights on a beach. Kids walking around. This girl in a bikini dancing like Elaine from Seinfeld. Like she looked bad. She looked great, very attractive, but like she looked bad.

It was just funny. It was just funny to you. Wait, was the ringlight plugged into something? No, it was like a thousand feet away from the nearest outlet. Of course it wasn't. People were like, she's just using it for a tripod. I was like, I know. I know all of this.

What do you think I am? So this guy, I don't even want to say his name because I don't want to give him any attention. I'll tell you one thing about him. He had long hair. Should tell you everything you need to know about it. Loser. It's not because I am bald, by the way. It's just because people with long hair tend to be very namas.

day like I eat and he's like he stitched it and he's like why are we making fun of this girl everybody looks silly when they record content if somebody in the next room heard me they'd be like why is this guy talking to himself and I just commented from influencers

in the wild I was like thanks for explaining the entire account that's the whole point everyone looks silly me you this girl anybody who does it everybody looks silly that's the whole point but for some reason people took that video very personally especially when this guy made this video which got millions of views like spinning it negative yeah so here's the kicker the girl in the video commented on that guy's post and was like yes i um was so upset when i saw this and so

embarrassed and mortified and i couldn't believe it and blah blah blah her comments that her comment thousands of likes so i was like oh my god i've gotten three messages from people who are like, hey, I'm in this video. Could you take it down? Yes, of course I can take it down. I'm not like a maniac. I'm not like a lunatic.

You want to, first of all, totally legal to film people. I'm not a lawyer. I'm a human being. So if you want to be out of the video, the morally correct decision is to take it down, of course. So I saw her comment. I clicked on her TikTok. Her Instagram was linked,

clicked on the Instagram, went to go DM her. I had a DM from her begging for credit begging to be tagged in the caption of the video hey this is me can you tag me in the video so she's playing both sides

she's saying hey can you tag me in the video then when another video goes viral that's spinning it negative she's going yeah can you believe this I can't believe it I'm so upset and mortified by this it's like guys it goes back to kind of the like group mentality and like

of the internet of people just jumping on whatever is popular at the time it's literally like everyone hating on Britney Spears and the second it becomes uncool everyone it hates on the people who hated Britney Spears

while also hating on other people while saying it's wrong to hate on Britney Spears and I'm like guys we're just like a blind mob just like trying to take people down wherever it's popular well Gucci Main said it best you get lost in the sauce. It's so true.

You're just one big pot of sauce right now. So, influencers in the wild. Yeah, so the game. So as somebody who makes their living online and is at the whims of Mark Zuckerberg's fancy, constantly, Mark Zuckerberg is fine. He actually submitted something to the account. I don't know if you saw that. Oh, yeah, he did.

Yeah, yeah. He DM'd me, and he was like, hey, I have something for influencers in the wild. I'm going to send it to you in a little bit. And I was like, shit. I thought he just saw something out in the wild and was going to send it to me. And I was like, how am I going to not,

how am I going to get around this? Not hosting it. I'm going to double tap it. Am I going to be like, ha, ha, what am I going to write? I was already so panicked about how I was going to respond to it. And then he sends me a picture of him taking a selfie with goats behind him.

And I was like, oh my God. This is incredible. It is so, no pun intended meta for him to be. That was the caption I wrote. I go, this is too meta even for me. Everyone went nuts.

And then I wrote submitted by Zuck. And everyone was like, yeah, sure, submitted by Zuck. And then I posted the DM and the DM got even more engagement. It's great that he has a sense of humor. So the game is a way for people to get a taste of internet without being on the internet, obviously. Which is healthy. Yes. So me and Adam, Adam the creator, Adam Padilla, were on the phone one day.

this is one of those moments that like will when I feel like when my life flashes before my eyes this is one of those things that's like going to be in the top 10 moments we were on the phone and we were talking about like things we could do ways to expand whatever he's like he doesn't own influencers in the wild he's brand fire he does branding and he's genius like unbelievable creative Photoshop writer very funny I do the meme daddy's podcast with him he's so funny It's like stupid, but I was on the phone with him, and he's talking about games. Like, maybe we should do a game of some sort. And I was like, I don't remember exactly how the conversation went,

but I remember sitting up on my couch and going, bro, and he hates when I do this. And I was like, bro, oh my God. He's like, what, what? I was like, hold on a second. I didn't even want to let it out because I was like, I wanted to hold on to that tension. So you fucking knew. In my heart, I was like, bro, what if we made a game where influencers traveled on a board around the world to all these dumb influencer spots? They go to Bali, they go to Touloum, they go to the pink wall, and they rack up followers instead of money.

And he just lost it. He's like, that is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. So then that was like the genesis of it. And then I started trying to like draw a board game like this. I'm very proud of this because this is like something that didn't exist and now it does. Now it's in Target. Target. Target.

Yeah, we love Target. Targe. Yeah, we like Target. But that honestly gets me going in life. Something that's just like, no, like the only thing that gets me going is an idea in your head that then becomes an actual thing. Oh, my God. affects people when it was just a little pea brain idea there's nothing better than that and it was so much work to get to a physical product oh my god so now yeah because all your shit was virtual before

everything you didn't have anything tangible nothing and now you have a physical product you're holding a box that weighs about three and a half pounds in your hand and you know that because the shipping costs yes i do so you pick an influencer playing piece you pick the festival girl who's you know the girl that goes to Coachella and Bernie Man or whatever. So funny. The girl in the yoga pose, the guy, the fitness influencer guy. Much you, Pitchie. The dog wearing sunglasses

that makes more money than you and I both combined probably. Yep. And then the selfie stick holding tourist. Who's like, nobody wants to be. That's going to be like the thimble in Monopoly. So what people are buying this game? In my opinion,

like 22 or 23 to 45-year-old people who have a tangential or extreme knowledge of the internet. It's almost like, so sure, if you, so you, let me just explain. So you go around the board, you go to Bali, you go to the music festival. But like on the board at the music festival, Adam put a fake private jet that you can take pictures in. You know what I mean? Like it's all absurd. The whole thing is absurd. Over by the Griffith Park and the pink wall, he has, two people giving money to a homeless person and filming it like the board is filled with

jokes the whole thing has like 75 jokes on it that's amazing there's a beluga on it in the bottom right hand for your people who don't know somebody told me I look like a baluga oh and then you stuck with it ran with it so you roll the dye you go around the board if you land on a influencer hotspot you get 100,000 followers If you land on no Wi-Fi, you lose a turn. If you land on low battery, you lose a turn. It sounds like just my life. And if you land on a blue spot, that's where all of the fun is.

That's where you pick out a random playing card and there are rewards, challenges, penalties, or... This is fucking genius. I love it so much. Obviously, growing up, I feel like as an entrepreneur and you're an entrepreneur, you've had your own, like, fencing business. Fences? I sold fence for... You sold fences. Yeah.

Yeah. So you've been, like, selling shit. But then it became all virtual. Yeah. What do you prefer in terms of growing a business? Or is it all kind of similar at the end of the day? In terms of like a physical product or like, you know, monetizing brands and stuff on social media? So now, so now that's a brand that I own.

And it's all. So Adam said something really brilliant that kind of screwed me on the phone that day. He goes, the idea is the like the idea is the orgasm right and then making the thing happen and actually come to life

is like the pregnancy the doctor's visits the diaper changes the feeding the walking the car like it's like the raising it's not that much fun anymore yeah well that's why I think the idea is the most fun part there's the idea is also it's fun and it's a lot of

people have ideas but who can actually people love it happen I will never feel as good about this game as I did that moment. I have a question for you. I feel like you're not afraid of failing. No, I love failing. Because I feel like the average person, like for you to even go for this, I could tell that you're not afraid of failing.

Are there other things that you tried, other pages you started? Oh, yeah. Can you give me some that you failed at? Oh, my God. In 2003, I had a blog called Insight is Never 2020. Because hindsight is always 2020 I was so clever at that time That was right after I got sober

So I just celebrated 20 years of sobriety Which was major So inside is never 2020 I had like seven visitors to that blog Then I made a website called jZ for dummies.com Where I would decode JZ lyrics And then tedious

Yeah well no There's a lot He's like known for his double and triple on Tondras. And I felt like people, the only reason people wouldn't like Jay-Z is because they don't know him. They don't understand it. Wow. By the way, I saw Nas on a plane. It's a very funny story. Maybe I'll tell it in a second. I couldn't even say hello to him. Couldn't even say like a word to him. Because you were so excited. No, because I haven't, like, I, I, I'm such a Jay-Z fan. Oh. So you're loyal. We walked side by side for like 90 seconds. We were on a plane. We were on a plane.

we get off the plane instantly the song Takeover starts playing in my head I'm like that's a one hot album every 10 year average I just start doing the Jay Z lyrics in my head and I'm like pro stop stop

it's Nas dude have some respect I have some respect I'm saying having this conversation Also you're not Jay Z I'm not but I'm ride or die You are rider die So we get off the plane

We deboard and it's me and him walking down this long corridor for like 90 seconds just me and him nobody's behind us nobody's in front of us i could not say a word to him because all i could think of to say to him was like hey man i know other people like you but like i just don't even the meanest shit or like that's some troll behavior i that's why i didn't say anything yeah i just pretended i was like something see that was beautiful if you don't have anything nice to say yo gnauz i don't like the natural color of your lips

and if you're awesome. Other people like it. I know you're a respected legend in hip hop and people live or die by your albums. I just don't feel that way. But I thought you should know that I know that other people really like you. I'm just not one of them.

That's like when someone's like, hey, I've never watched your show. Yeah. But like my friends really like it. And you're like, cool. Yeah. You could have to say that. You could have saved 20 seconds of your life right there.

Yeah. It's unnecessary for me to know. of that. How did we get here? Oh, so jZ for dummies.com. Oh, yeah. Jayzy fordum. Then I had, then I was trying to win my own show on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Oh, yeah. And I made a website called happiest new rich.com because it was so confusing to get people to my link to vote. So I just bought happiestonorich.com and redirected that to my voting link. What was the show you were trying to pitch? It was win your own show on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Oh, so you'd be the host of it? Yeah, it was just like there was no, I don't even remember if there was an idea for the show.

It was like, hey, look at me. That's probably why I didn't win. You're like, why wouldn't you give me a show? Yeah. Look at this beluga head. Yeah. So, yeah, I didn't win. I did get some votes, but I think my mom was the majority vote.

She was operating at that point like a Russian bot. She was just sitting there like voting all day long. Yeah, she's a huge fan. Huge shout out to mom. Shut up, mom. Yeah. So that was okay. That was like a good creative outlet for me because I turned it into a video blog after the

contest was over. I turned it into a video blog. I started getting comfortable in front of the camera. Then that died because I let it. Then I had a website called I found money today.com where I would leave money in areas of the city. Every day I would leave $5 like in a Dunkin' Donuts bathroom or a Chipotle seat. Like I just left it or I'd leave it on the Long Island Railroad. train and take pictures of it and then write stories about like who was around what I thought

would happen, what I hoped would happen, whatever. Who doesn't like finding money today? Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. Ever. And it was five bucks so nobody felt bad about it. It was like the perfect thing.

And then I won a Webby Award for that. Oh shit. Which was great. That's huge. Oscars of the internet. Yes. I got to go to the show. I think Patton Oswald was hosting it that year.

That was a big deal for me. Yeah. But then I didn't keep up with it. Yeah. loser self-hatred self-loathing yeah that was pretty mean that was pretty mean to myself yep yes but I was selling fence at the time so I was like I had just gotten married and my therapist was like you have to treat everything as a commitment until until it's not and if you don't feed it it won't grow exactly so like your marriage you've decided like you're not going to date other people obviously if you work for this fence

company like just be like just sell fence stop looking for this bigger better thing to come along and I was like all right yeah that makes sense and I made that decision and then I was like I'm not doing anything else I'm going to sell fence for the next 20 years 25 years make a nice living have plenty of time for my family not going to be rich not going to be poor I can nap during the day if I want you know what I mean like it was it was a good life nap in between fence and then yeah and then all of a sudden I emailed the fat Jewish one day because I was on Reddit and I saw he had just posted something

that I had just seen and I was like cold email my name on Instagram Tank Sinatra actually comes from that email because he's the fat Jewish so in the email subject I wrote Tank Sinatra so he just quickly came up with it

to be like silly like some kind of catchy email subject line and I was like hey man I'm up the internet's ass 24 7 if you ever need help finding content or make whatever like just let me know he responded instantly and was like I actually do I have this going on that going on you know whatever and I sent him like 10 memes or 15 or 20 or it was an absurd amount within like two minutes he's like you could do this every day I was like I could do this every hour I didn't know you started with the fat you wish oh yeah so he was I was feeding him content

yeah he was posting it yeah um and then he started reposting stuff and tagging me Taking my account. So my account started growing a lot fast. It grew to like 300,000 followers in the first year. So you were posting your own memes and sending it to him for it to go viral. I was, so initially I was sending him memes that I found on Reddit. Then this guy Trevor, who's Trevso Electric. I don't know if you've ever heard of that page.

Have you or no? He is the, if you ask anybody in the meme world, Who are the only people that matter? The inventor of like the basic bitch idea. White girls love Starbucks. They love the fall. They love ugs. They love this.

If you go back on his page, you'll see in like 2012, 2013 he was like, white girls love pumpkin spice lot. Yeah. It's like that long. Yeah. Maybe not that long ago.

But like he was the first one to really like put that idea out there. So he was always encouraging us In the group chat to make our own stuff He died And then when he died I was like, I'm gonna start making my own stuff It was kind of like when Biggie died And Jay-Z could become who is

To go back to Jay-Z We need a restraining order For you against Jay-Z This is so fucking similar to my story too How like I was I was writing memes for Betches And then I was like, this isn't my voice, though. And I started writing my own tweets.

And they wouldn't repost it, but I'd share it to other pages. Like, it's the single and, you know, all those other, like, more millennial female pages. Yeah, yeah. And I got, like, 60,000 followers before I went on reality TV. Oh, that's so funny. Because it was, I realized I could do that shit, too. Yeah. So then have you created any other meme pages that have bombed?

No. Oh, wow. No. just tank sinatra tanks good news maybe i've created like there was one page that i started that was going to be for my stuff that wasn't good enough for tanks and i'd post stuff and then delete it yeah i was gonna do like a tank's throwaways but like it's fucking too much work have you notice in the last three years since we've spoken how people have react differently to memes or different meme trends than it was or just different yeah it's really evolved right god well i started doing um

the videos during the pandemic, which was very satisfying for me, super satisfying. Yeah. Because it's just like, it's so much fun to do an absurd video. Yeah. And some of the videos do, like, crazy numbers. Videos, like, I don't know, people will send me memes and be like, is this funny? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.

Like, post it, find out. Fucking put it in front of the audience. And like a comedian, you know, asking you, is this funny? Like, I think it's funny. Or I don't think it's funny. Yeah. That means nothing. Yeah.

You have to go test it out and see what the market says. The difference between Instagram and a comedian is that with the comedian, you get, and this is something, I'm going, I'm going to tell, like, very few people that I'm going to start doing stand-up again. I miss the immediate feedback of knowing whether or not something's funny. On Instagram, it's like you could have the best meme in the world, and the algorithm may be like, Fuck you Yeah And then you Overthink it

You're like Oh should I've used A different word on it Or was the photo Not bright enough And it's like No it was just the day At the time

The mood whatever Yeah And then you start hearing From other people Hey I have 10 million followers This video got 100,000 views

In 10 hours Are you seeing this also Yeah But I already deleted it So I can't It's so frustrating Wait I'm so happy You're getting back

into stand up Because I was thinking about that I'm you know what it's one of those things and I called Francis about this this is one of the one of the things I wanted to talk to you about do you like stand up I love it what do you love about it I feel like it's something that it challenges me and when I'm on stage I feel like it's what I'm meant to do I just feel alive yeah but I'm not like some people are where they're like if I don't get on stage tonight I'm going to lose it I'm not one of those people like there's a lot of comics they're like I got like it'll be like middle of dinner and they're like I gotta leave I gotta do a spot I gotta find a set we're like I'm about to go on tour in the Midwest and like the experience of me literally taking thoughts that were in my head expressing it having other people be like holy fuck I I've experienced that too like I just love creating but I'm also like you were if tomorrow I decided I want to be an actress I'll be an actress yeah but the thing with stand-up is like I also was that kid who raised her hand

every single time the teacher asked the question. Like, I just feel like my whole life I've been trying to find what I'm meant to do and I feel in my gut, I get a calmness on stage that I haven't had and, like, when I play sports, I get, I don't always have it. When I am behind a computer, I don't always have it,

but I'm on stage, I feel, it feels comfortable for me. Yeah. So I was talking to Francis, I talked to Chris DiStefano about it. And it seemed, like I, I, first time I did stand up, I was 23 years old I didn't really have the life experience

to draw upon to be able to do it I guess or I can make excuses I was doing bringer shows only I kept dragging my friends out for Long Island

to go to these shows at New York Comedy Club and they'd be like okay and they've heard the jokes all before yeah

there's nothing left like they can say them now yeah so I just stopped booking them and then I was like you know I didn't really like it

And the nerves never left. I never once enjoyed being on state during that time. That was like a six-month period. Then I did it again recently, whatever it was, three or four years ago. And I did start to enjoy it, but my son was one year old. My other son was five. And I was like, this sucks, man. I don't want to leave, you know.

Yeah. I put my kids to bed. Yeah. Now, and I always, in the back of my mind was like, I think when they get a little bit older, I'm going to feel better about this. And also, back then, for some reason, there was this mentality of like if you're not going up four times a night

seven nights a week you're a fucking douchebag don't even bother I'm not doing that I'm committing to two nights a week and whatever happens happens well there's also now like let's see you perform and you cut up a video if I post that video on TikTok

a million people could see it if I do that joke tonight 40 people are going to see it so I'm like maybe tonight it's not It's worth it for me to cut up some videos and post it for my career. Yeah. So you have to kind of find out what's right for you and what's right for your energy. Well, I'm talking about comfort on stage also. Yeah.

That was like what was being drilled into everyone's head. Yes. Yes. Well, that's what I heard. My thing is if you're not working on new material and you're doing the same shit for months. Yeah. I don't give a fuck how many times you go on stage. You're not growing.

Yeah. How is your sobriety during COVID? Bad. No, it was okay. I was like, oh shit You're like heroin No, no No, I stayed sober

But people died People, you know Were freaking out I'll be honest with you So I got sober when I was 22 years old Which at that point I was like

I should have come in when I was 17 You know my husband's been sober since 19 Really? He's 46 Oh my God Yeah, we haven't We haven't seen each other Since I got married

Oh my God Since I met that dude but yeah he's similar to you so yeah i got sober at 22 and at that point i was like oh man i hope i can catch up i can catch up in life and if i meet somebody now who's like 35 i'm like you're so young yeah so lucky so funny when you turn 20 you're like i'm almost 30 yeah so i mean i've lived so much life in these past 20 years but in during the pandemic the hardest thing was um having the structure completely ripped away from you. But what's amazing about that group of people is that you have people, this makes

me laugh. You have people who literally, like, don't show up for their own wedding. Yeah. When they're drinking. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, like, if a meeting's supposed to start at 7 o'clock, 701, they're like, what the fuck? What's going on here?

What are we doing? Because they care. Because they care. And it's their priority. Yep. And because it's different now. And then at 8 o'clock, they're like, all right, let's go. Like, we're done now.

Meanwhile, they would like leave their wife and kids at home for four days straight. No phone, no calls, no nothing. I mean, addicts are passionate people. Oh, whatever they put their mind to, they want all of it. How's your like depression anxiety nowadays? So wait, just real quick. So those people all of a sudden, instead of meeting in person, created these Zoom meetings. Oh, yeah.

Which was like, in three days, they had it all figured out. It was actually remarkable. It was like, you got, put the information in. So I've, I don't know, I go back and forth. Like my bouts of depression or anxiety, everything about my life gets better over time, not worse. So I still struggle with it. I don't want to say struggle. I still deal with it.

Yeah. But I deal with it. So I, the bouts of it are less frequent and less intense and less, less, less long. The duration is less. But I just had one a couple of weeks ago where I was like, sleep until like, you know, my kids get on the bus at 9 o'clock. I was like missing my kids get on the bus. Sleeping into like 9.30, 10 o'clock. Beating the shit out of myself when I would wake up and be like, you're a fucking, because I don't have to do anything.

That's part of the problem I fantasize about getting a job sometimes so I have to be somewhere at a certain time Which would be a nightmare You have been given freedom I would quit Yeah

I thought about this too Because I have a day where I just can't get out Off the couch And I think it's because I can Because when I had the 9 to 5 I never had trouble getting up And arriving because I was scared to losing my job But the second you have freedom

And we fought for that freedom It's a privilege for me to not have a 9 to 5 but then you have these days where you can't get out of bed because your body knows you don't have to why would you

and I'm trying to be like go for a walk and my body's like you've seen son before why do you need to go for a walk today I was supposed to speak at this of this little fucking stupid meetup dot com event once

and I was I mean so low and I called the woman I told her I couldn't do it and she was a life coach and I really don't like life coaches She's like, hey, what can I say

If you're not ready to step into your greatness There's nothing I can help you I'm like ready to step off a chair Into a noose right now What the fuck are you talking about? Step into my greatness. Eat my ass. You're like, I'm not even getting paid for this.

There's going to be seven people in a chiropractor's office. What are you talking greatness? What kind of greatness are you talking about? But I was thinking about that because back to Jay-Z There's a song where Jay-Z on Magna Carta Holy Grail he goes

Just let me be great And I was listening to that Because my therapist recently said Exactly what you just said about You fought tooth and nail To create this life for yourself Yeah Like my life on paper is

I mean fucking Solid 10 out of 10 I told him it was five stars I go I for some reason think there's a sixth star out there He goes the six star is inside you It's your ability to enjoy that life life that you've created yourself. It's not out there anymore.

There's nothing out there for you that's going to make you feel better. So he goes, when you wake up every day and you allow your life to be great and you realize that you slept till whatever time you wanted because you, that's exactly what you wanted to do. Like my friend Bill, who passed away, used to say, I'm living the life I choose. And that can sometimes feel like an insult. Sometimes it can feel like a compliment. When it feels like a compliment, my life is great.

But number one tip for anybody struggling with depression, read. and don't read a lot read like I recommended reading to a friend of mine he's like I can't read bro I get to like 10 pages and I'm like who the fool is reading 10 pages of a book I read two pages of a book and move on I get what I need out of the book and go so you're talking about like self-help books

um listen anything is better than nothing good stuff is better than nonsense stuff but read something read anything but like the greatest salesman in the world. Life-changing book. Think and Grow Rich. Life-changing book. Um, untethered living. Oh my God. If you have anxiety, and I know we're doing this thing. Power of Now, great setup for untethered living. Untethered soul is the first book. Power of Now was written by Eckartola. He talks about

just living in the present moment, which is cool, but it's like, hey man, you had a psychotic break. What are we supposed to do? Yeah. Like, do you know who Eckartola is? No. He basically had a iconic break and now he's a spiritual teacher it's like that's how it happens that's cool for you but i don't want to be homeless for six months staring at trees in central park i got i got a wife and kids dude you know well i'll have like deep deep depression and i'll go on amazon i'll order 10 self-help books yeah by time they arrive i'm too depressed to read them and then eventually i'll get better just read one one or two pages it's like i do that too it's like ordering like buying vegetables in the produce yes exactly and you never eat them color in my card

It feels kind of good for a second. Yeah, I'm going to eat these. And sometimes I'm like, this shit's bullshit. What do these people know? Also like, yeah, you hate your life and now you're an author. Like, yeah, because you became an author. Yeah. Because you wrote this fucking book that you don't actually know how to, it's like yoga

teachers where I'm like, are you calm or do you just do yoga every day? What are you running from? But in untethered living, he talks about the thoughts in your head and then the observer of the thoughts with Eckartolli talks about. Yes. And there's this one part in the book. He goes, you know, how I know that my thoughts are not me and I almost didn't want to read the next sentence

because I was like, oh man, this is going to be fucking good. He goes, because I don't even know what they're going to say next. Wow. Like those thoughts that are just crazy that come out of nowhere, they're not you. Those anxiety-ridden, fearful fucking thoughts, they come out of nowhere and I know they're not me because I don't even know what they're going to say next. But that's when you have to choose yes to say I'm not identifying with that yes because when I was younger I just was like I can't control my brain yeah and I'm just like a fucking crazy nonstop I can't control myself but once you decide that you don't have to listen to it that's the fucking power yeah but that's where exercise comes in move a muscle change of thought you get your body going yeah and then

all of a sudden you literally see things from a different angle and maybe you see something on a bookshelf where you like oh yeah that oh that book said this or whatever it is crazy how we're plants though like we're literally just plants i know where we overthink everything and then they're like go outside and you're like i like like i like life like you hear a little bird sure get sun yeah i have a stand-up joke where i'm like i haven't drank waters is 1994 that's where all my issues stem from but you saying that how the guy was like you're always searching for the six star is like the root of the burning and help podcast where i interview all these like people who have accomplished things that people want to accomplish and then you're like holy shit this person

is more depressed than I am or at the same dealing with the same shit and it's it's that let's say happiness happiness is within it's that concept of like you're always where you are so even when you get something like you're still that same person so it's like if you can't find the happiness in this moment there's no moment yeah the challenge is just letting yourself be in whatever state you're in yeah observing it and being okay with it because and I know we have to end And but my therapist just said something to me that, like, really changed the way I approach everything. So, like, we haven't seen each other in quite a while. Yeah.

You've grown quite a bit. Thank you. I've grown quite a bit. He said to me, he goes, I think you don't need to worry about whether or not you're happy. Because it's a silly metric for life. He goes, I think, and Ryan Holiday has this book where he talks about Dave Mustain getting kicked out of Metallica and starting Megadeth, Megadeth sold 25, 30 million albums.

Dave Mustaine is miserable because he was always like, yeah, but what if I was in Metallica? Whereas the fifth beetle, Pete Best, is like super happy because he's got a wife, kids, he's a teacher, his garden is producing tomatoes day. He just changed the way that he measured his happiness or his satisfaction in life. How do you measure success?

So my therapist goes, I think if you change your measurement to whether or not you're growing, you'd be happier and I was like oh yeah I'm always growing yeah one way or another well I'm so just impressed

by you're telling me all this stuff and I'm like he's fucking fearless to try shit because there's some of these ideas someone will go that's a good idea but like we're not actually

going to spend our life saving on target inventory yeah and how embarrassing could it be if you try to influencers in the wild game that went bad like that's like

that's fucking or we start this page about good news like that's kind of corny and the next thing you know no you had a vision and I don't know I think it's it's super powerful when people are like you hear someone who's succeeded a lot and they're like well I failed way more than you have to oh yeah I also did the same thing with with my perspective because I was talking to my therapist and now I'm forgetting the word but what's it called when you just like can handle a lot of shit resilient yes yeah so

I'll be like this happened that happened and it's so hard and she's like you're fucking resilient like you always got that's tattooed

on her the word resilient I put on my background of my case because I'd wake up and instead of being like you don't have this you lost that

you fucked up that happened to you I woke up and I'm like I'm resilient because that's the only thing I could be your track record

indicates that you're going to get through whatever life throws at you fuck yeah and if you focus on being resilient every day

I could do that but if you're focusing on be like, is my video going viral today? Am I happy? Who knows, dude? Also, you could have been. You would have missed it, you asshole.

There's stats where, like, you're only actually, like, humans are only actually happy, happy for, like, a small percentage. There's a lot of mundaneness that you just have to exist in. It's so fleeting. So fleeting. Yeah. Okay, it's time to play The Seven Deadly Sins. We could talk for seven hours

You're the best Okay, what are you greedy about? Time Are you good at saying no to things? Yeah Jealous Yeah, really good Actually

How do you do it? So I read thinking grow rich Would you have family? It's easier You're like, oh, the kid No What happened was I It was before I had kids

I had made promises To a bunch of different groups of people That I was gonna go do something one night And I stressed myself out to know that happens to me every night yeah and uh one day i was like you know what the pain of of this and then telling people that i can't make it to the thing yeah two minutes before the thing and then they're all mad at you is way worse than me just saying no up front so that's when i started oh so you had like a traumatizing night it's my birthday oh my god i did not enjoy yeah i was like

that happens to me with comedy i'll finally like i'm saying yes to everyone i finally check my phone like what am i up to tonight i can handle anything and i have like six spots at the same time and I'm just like, oh no, someone's going to hate me. Yeah. And that was my fault. Oh, yeah. It's not their fault? You got to say no, to most things, I think.

Who are you envious of? I don't, can I say nobody? I don't know if I'm envious of anybody because I know from experience that everyone has their own issues. I might be envious of a certain aspect of someone's life. Like, I'm envious of my friend Dave's organizational skill. true i know exactly what you mean yeah or i'll be envious of like moments yeah and then you realize like moments are fleeting and then you realize oh okay how do i make that moment for myself i was envious of myself once i'm envious of my past self a lot i swear to god this was another

breaking point for me i was playing with my kids i had just gotten an over-the-door basketball hoop for my son my one son was like a year left lit remember those game changer And then when you dunk on it, everyone's like, ah! My other son was five and a half, and I was going nuts with them. We closed the door. Mom was out. We were making so much noise. I was picking my one son up and having him dunk.

Picking my other son up and having him dunk. We were throwing it off the walls and bouncing everywhere. And in the middle of all the fun, I said, man, when am I going to be one of those dads who can just, like, play with his kids? And I'm like, you're fucking idiot. You're doing it right now. What is wrong with you? Talk about overthinking. Oh, my God.

So, yeah. What are you gluttonous about? What do you overindulge in? Oh, everything. At some point. What's your current hyper fixation? Hmm. The internet.

For sure, I do too much of that, too much phone time. Does your wife get annoyed? No, she's like super easygoing. She gets it. I was heavily into so. I still smoke cigars. I'm going to smoke one on the way home. But I was smoking like four cigars a day. Like I was fucking Winston Churchill. It was out of control. You're smoking like cigarettes. Yeah. And then I added up the time. I'm like, yo, I'm spending like six hours a day

smoking. This is too much. There is like a power thing in it though. Like you feel like a gangster. You feel like a gangster. You feel like you made it successful. whatever but it's just are you you're not inhaling right no you don't inhale so you're just kind of enjoying the oral fixation yeah just like a dick anyway um when was the last time you experienced extreme anger or wrath a long long time ago i got frustrated i mean i have kids yeah so this morning but no i don't did you always want to have kids um i always knew i was going to have kids. I always liked kids. I always appreciated the purity and the freedom that they exude.

You know? That's beautiful. Yeah. I love that. I don't get angry or wrathful. I get frustrated because I got two kids. Like when I used to do stand-up, I'd say like when you get married, people tell you don't go to bed angry.

They're like, when am I going to fucking sleep? That's so funny. That's so funny. every time but also like you're from long island and like being frustrated is just like don't go to bed angry they haven't slept since oh two well it's last time you were a sloth so just like lazy all day biggest problem every day I struggle with that but it's like again I'm trying to realize it's because we have the freedom yeah when you schedule your own schedule we're humans yeah we're gonna want to relax yeah I'm trying to be better about it I'm trying not to drive to the

gym, sit in the car for a half an hour, fall asleep, and then leave because my kids are getting off the bus. That's a new level of pain. Yeah. I don't do that that often, but I'm trying to just get better about, like, you know, better habits, move. If I'm moving, I'm good. I don't get tired.

Same. But it's like when I'm sitting, I'm like, ugh, you know, it's like the blood moves slower. Obviously, you're just going to be tired. Yes. How could you not be tired? Yes. But when you're moving, your blood is moving. Yep.

Your heart rates up. You're generating your own energy. You're like your own little own nuclear power plant, you know? When was the last time you let your pride or your ego get in the way of something? So, you know what's funny? I love the seven deadly sins. And that's the one that I always forget. It's the hardest one.

Because I don't have it. You have ego? I had, and I'm aware of my ego. But in recovery, it's like the number one thing that takes people out and makes them go back to drinking and using drugs. So they work on it a lot. It's the, I mean, the whole process of recovery is just ego destruction. So I don't view myself as better than, worse than, different from anybody. Humility is, you know, people say once you have humility or once you think you're humble, then you're not.

I disagree with that. I think once, I do think that once you're, the only thing I think that that's true of is conscious awareness, like, of the present moment. Once you think you have it, then you've lost it because now you're thinking. Yep. So I've been, it's like being in the zone in sports. Exactly. Um, but I think you can be humble and be aware of it and use it to other people's advantage, not your advantage, but I don't think any, uh, they say like humility is not thinking less of yourself is thinking of yourself less so I

I don't know I don't really struggle You have so many good quotes With ego yeah none of them They don't really mean anything But they sound fucking smart Yeah I wish I could take credit for him Who's your um celebrity crush Ryan Gosling

You excited for the Barbie movie No I'm not gay but if I was I would suck his dick But if I was But if I was, I would, but I'm not. Yeah, no mood judge. Am I supposed to say a man or a woman?

Would whoever you want? Yeah. Because it's lust, you know? Oh, lust. Yeah. I'm very lucky that I do lust my wife. Oh. Yeah, she's hot.

Do you have any advice for marriage as a newlywed? Oh, yeah, you sent me some advice. Oh, yeah. I forgot what it was, but I played it for Des and we were like crying, laughing. Was it the can? candle thing? I'm literally going to tell you. My son walked out of the house and I didn't pick him up.

I don't know. The only advice that I would give to married people, the first piece of advice is don't listen to anybody because nobody knows what they're doing. True. We're all flailing. Flailing. Don't punish each other. Ooh, that's really good.

Yeah, fill in the gap for each other. That's really good. If he doesn't close the silverware drawer and you're there, just fucking close it. Yeah. Don't get divorced over it. Yeah. You guys are. I wonder how many divorces are over just like menial tasks in the household.

Did you see it as a sign of disrespect? Because you've asked countless times, hey, could you not put your socks on the floor next to the hamper? Could you just throw them in the hamper? And then they don't. And it's like, it's not personal. Yeah. But you take it personally because you're an egomaniac. You haven't worked on that.

You're not aware of it. So you think that this person. It's directed towards you. It's happening not, it's not just happening. It's happening to you. Because this person obviously has no respect for you. Mm-hmm. So.

And they're probably fucking someone else. That's why they're throwing the socks on the floor. Because they're tired from fucking all that. Gangbangs. So I, my wife used to burn candles in the house. This was actually an issue that we brought to therapy. She'd go to bed at like 9.30. 9.45.

five, let's call it 10 to be generous, she'd leave the candles burning. I would see her leave the candles burning and wait until I went to bed at 12 o'clock. Like I thought magically she was going to like wake up and come out and blow the candles out. And I'd wake her up at 12 o'clock and be like, you left the candles burning. What are you trying to burn the whole fucking house down? Why would you leave the candles burning? Do you hate us? Do you want us to die in a house fire?

And she'd be fresh out of sleep. I'm like, well, what if the house is burning? You know? And the therapist was like, yeah, why don't you just blow the candles out? I was like, I could not. Like, do you want the house to burn out? That's a pet peeve waking each other up as like a fucking pet pee? Oh, my God.

Wait, that is wild behavior. She's like that, she's like, I know you do a sweep of the house. You lock the doors, you check the windows. Yeah. I was like blowing out the candles would not even occur to me. Didn't even cross my mind. Also, maybe she wanted you to enjoy the candles. Maybe she didn't want to, like, ruin the ambiance for me.

Exactly. But imagine if you were on a football team and, or you were watching football and the running back got the ball and the center stepped out of the way and let the linebacker smash the running back. And he didn't block for him. And he was like, you shouldn't have said that shit in the line. You'd be like, are they on the same team or what? Yeah.

Like, are you guys on the same team as a married couple? yes or no yes if yes don't punish each other if no what the fuck it is also yeah choosing your battles

yeah does has this annoying thing where he'll wake up based on movement so I will literally be like so quiet and he's like and I'm like

I didn't because he'd be like don't wake me up and I'm like what how am I supposed to get from here to there and he'd be like I'm a hunter I wake up with movement

and I'm like you you would anyway I can't deal with I can't deal with that no I'm kidding I'm joking he's never hunted anything yeah won't even kill a fly final question

what advice will you give the low devils because you've given some incredible top tier right on your notepad advice but finally when people are going through their darkest moments how should they cope with their hell

practically I mean Winston Churchill said, if you're going through hell, keep going. Talking to someone is numero uno and being honest about what you're feeling and just not being ashamed of who you are because you have to, have to at some point come to terms with the fact that everyone is fighting the same battles. Thankfully not at the same time. Because if we were all fighting the same battles at the same time, nobody would be able

to help each other. We would not, we'd all have bad breath because no one's brushing their teeth. Yeah. This is not karate. This is not business. I've never held back anything as far as spiritual or emotional tools that I have that might help somebody because there will come a time and there has come a time where I've forgotten things that I've told people. Yes. And they've told me the thing and I'm like, wow, that's good.

And they're like, yeah, you told me that seven years ago. When you were in a good mood. I forgot about that. But yeah, existence is complicated. Life is difficult. It's hard, but it's, but it's supposed to be. It makes it interesting and fun and challenging. If life was easy and you sat like, you know, you sat on the couch all day, every day,

and you didn't have to fight for your survival, for your food, for your place in this world, for your own, you know, role in society. What the fuck? What is that? Yeah, you're the main character. That's L. The plot has to be exciting. Yes.

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We talk about spiritual, emotional, psychological stuff, but we also just are idiots on the podcast. And Burning in Hell. Yeah. Yeah. Episode 25. Check out that episode because I was really insightful. We talked about intrusive thoughts a lot, which I didn't even delve into because we don't have enough time. I just made a video. I saw the avocado one. I was like, this man has a brand and he's good with it. That was amazing. But yeah, I hope to see you in the stand-up world a little bit and we'll be in touch. I love having you as a friend, a fellow, you know, podcaster, meme creator, entrepreneur. You're the shit. Yes, thank you. Yay. Bye. Bye.