Berner Phone - The First Song You Loved (with Caroline Baniewicz)

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

This week, Des is joined by friend, comedian, and professionally trained opera singer Caroline Baniewicz! The Dialers share the first songs they remember falling in love with, and Des and Caroline share their own picks from childhood. Caroline reflects on growing up listening to Christian music, and Des talks about how he felt watching an early Justin Bieber music video.   FOLLOW CAROLINE: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carolinebaniewicz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@carolinebaniewicz YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@carolinebaniewicz Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carolineebaniewicz/   Leave us a voicemail: https://telbee.io/channel/msnxcnbe39nmb9rpvbi_eq/index.html   FOLLOW DES: Tickets: https://punchup.live/desbishop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/desbishop Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/desbishop X: https://x.com/desbishop YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Desbishopcomedy TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@desbishop5   FOLLOW HANNAH: Tickets: https://hannahberner.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hannahberner/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HannahBerner X: https://x.com/beingbernz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hannah_berner Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialhannahberner/   FOLLOW NICOLE: https://www.instagram.com/nicoleclyons/   Produced by Nicole Lyons Productions Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicolelyonsproductions/ Website: www.nicolelyonsproductions.com

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Iqbar.com, code B-R-A-I-N-I-Q. Hi, it's Hannah Burner. And Des Bishop. Thanks for calling the burner phone. If you leave a message after the tone, we may have to make it into a podcast. Hello, our little dialers, and welcome back to Burn a phone. We have a special guest co-host today, Caroline Batowicz.

How are you? I'm so good. I'm so excited to be here. Actually, Hannah recommended, I ask you? to come on as a co-host. I was asking her for some potential co-hosts. Well, that's like the highest compliment. I did ask you.

I did ask you a while ago on Hannah's previous sabbatical, and then we never got it together. I think Hannah ended up being able to clear her schedule or something like that. Correct. Correct. So anyway, I was thinking about alternative of co-hosts, but also independent of knowing that you were going to be on, I had it in my mind to do like a song that meant something to you episode.

Originally, when I put it out, I put it out as like the first song you remember loving. But then I actually put it out again to just vary it up a bit, sort of most meaningful song to you, like in your youth. Because I didn't want it to just, because you know what it was? I was getting a lot of like songs that kids would like. So I wanted to like get a bit of a variation. Anyway, long story short, I thought if Caroline's around, that would be a good episode to do with Caroline. Yeah. No, I love that.

I love that. I fear all of the songs that mean anything to me kids like. Well, first of all, can we say before we get into any songs that I asked you because you, correct me if I'm wrong, you're a trained opera singer, right? Yeah, so I went to, I have a Bachelor's of Music. Yes. And I went to school, I'm a musical theater major, which like, okay, so I was homeschooled in Texas which means you're insufferable. You're insufferable.

Exactly. You don't want me in the same room as a keyboard, okay? The worst thing that could ever happen is, like, seeing me at karaoke. But I, I, I, but The Bachelor's of Music, like, a lot of people with musical theater degrees are fine arts degrees, like, took acting classes. But for me, it was, like, singing French operas, singing. And now, I wasn't, like, good at that, by any means, but I have the college degree. Yeah. And listen, it wasn't, any expertise wasn't required. I just figured, you know, since, you know, since.

you know, because obviously this is more about the emotion than the music, but like I do like, I do like an opinion that has a little bit of weight behind it because there are, there are songs that are like popular but are shit. Yeah. Well, also like, yeah, but I, and that's the thing is like I may know some operas, but I'm not pretentious about it. Yeah. I'm like, I'm cool.

I'm a cool girl. But there's no. There's no opera in today's episode. Yeah, imagine I'm like, a song that means so much to me. Yeah. So anyway, I get a little emotional. We did this once before something similar, but I get kind of emotional sometimes when I actually listen back. But I have to say, I'm not asking you to sing today.

However, there was numerous ones that I had to look up the song because I didn't know the band and I didn't remember the song name. But then, of course, when I looked up the song, I was like, oh, that song, right? particularly because we have a lot of millennial listeners and like the songs that mean something for them I'm not as familiar with, but I am, but just not the name. Because, you know, you get a couple of like one hit wonders or bands that didn't last that long. Anyway, long story short, you may need to just make sure everybody knows the song if you know it. Well, my question to you then is like, did you have a first dance at your wedding? And what was the song?

Well, actually, do you know what's so crazy about that question is originally we were going to do a song by heart? which which which was not for like because no it was um like i like i'm blanking out now because you're asking me this it was your first dance song no oh this is not the one you pick this is the one you picked in alicia keene so as a last minute replacement because we were going to do um you know how can i get you alone uh by heart because that's like starts off like a love song and then it gets really intense and we were going to like choreograph a dance oh that's so fun. Yeah, then I had surgery on my hip. So we missed that. Oh my God. So we didn't put in a lot of

a lot of thought into the wedding song. Well, that's something I think is like kind of like a healthy thing that you guys have. Like I know, I'm not here to judge anyone who puts a lot of effort into their money. I think that's absolutely beautiful and like so great because your wedding is more probably about your guests. So you're really giving them a gift. But I do think when, because you guys are just so like it's good. We're all good, like everything, because your life is so fun and exciting and, like, you guys have so much fun together that, like, these little things, you don't sweat them, which is also amazing. Yeah, I mean,

we didn't sweat that, you know? I mean, we can't, our wedding was great, but, like, we didn't, we didn't sweat the song. I actually don't know the name of my wedding song. That's the truth. It's, I'm, if it's a leisure case, it's, if I ain't got you, probably, right? I, probably. It actually wasn't, like, it wasn't a big song for me, and I could basically just, like, waddle back and forth because I was still in quite a bit of pain. Totally. That's so funny. You had a cane. Walking down the aisle like a

Willy Wonka. Yeah, well, luckily, I don't have to do the walking down the aisle. That's Hannesville. On the way back out, the sand was very uneven. Yeah. All I know is that Sierra, coincidentally, and if she's gotten a few mentions

on this podcast recently, she was a lot more excited about our wedding selling that I was. because I have a distinct... But here's the thing is, our wedding dance wasn't even that serious because Hannah kept, like, joking with everybody, like, in our proximity

rather than, like, focusing on the dance. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. So, anyway, but let's... Before... So, I... I didn't get... We didn't have, like, an emotional first dance.

That's okay. But in terms of what would be your song before we go to the dialers, what would be the... This is the song of, like, your childhood, you know like the first so my original idea was the first song you remember loving because i have a few so the first song i remember loving was walk away by paula i like pulled it up because i'm trying to remember paula dandra which i feel like you're just definitely not going to know but it's like

um like i'm gonna remember you you go remember me the millennial girls will know this one right it's like this like shimmery like girly pop y2k song obsessed It was so freaking good. But I feel like a song that really, because I was a little emo, but like pieces of me by Ashley Simpson. Right. And it's funny.

You're going to have to sing it. It's like, on a Monday, I am waiting. Tuesday, I'm fading. And I just want to say, like, Ashley Simpson got a lot of shit, like the SNL thing, and things like that. God, she made hit after hit after hit.

And she's on the mass singer, I think, right now. And I want her to make another, like, oh, she was, like, so, that raspy. I love it. So anyways, I feel like that was really a perfect thing because it was so, it hit everything. It was very girly. It was very fun in Y2K, but it was so, like, sad. I loved sad music. Yeah, me too, actually.

So I have three that like I because obviously I could do the math on which came first But I have three that I distinctly remember being obsessed with as a kid I'm only going to say two Because one of mine actually came through in the in the things so I'll wait for it to come through on the Okay You know one of the dialers messaging about it but tears for fear shout where I was obsessed with And Michael Jackson's beat it but it goes without saying But but I but I I was from the Michael Jackson, like, peak era.

Of course. Yeah, you're like, you're like, Mozart, he came out when I was, yeah, I'm just kidding. You're forever young. But, yeah, no, no, no, I totally, I mean, those are, stood the test of time. Well, I distinctly remember just, I don't know, people here mostly not old enough, but Michael Jackson fever, because obviously everything gets wrapped up in the news that came later. It's hard to remember when it was, when you were free, when you were free of any, about the type of person that Michael Jackson was.

So our school, you know, that was like, did you guys have like book sale days where like you would sell books in your school? I was homeschooled. You know, you know us home school. I have one in there for you, which we'll get into your odd childhood. I have an honorable mention, Crush by David Archela, because I voted for him on American Idol and then he dropped the song Crush.

A lot of people forget about it, go back and listen to it, one of the greatest songs of all time. But no, we did not have a book sale day. We did not. Okay, so on the book sale day in St. Kevin's in whatever year it was, 85 or something, Michael Jackson's book was, like, on sale. And they literally couldn't get the boxes into the room fast enough. I have a distinct visual memory of waiting for them to open the box and then just, like,

loads of, like, pre-adolescent hands, like, like literally fighting to grab a copy of this book. That's how popular he was. Yeah, that's so crazy. You know, it's also like so crazy thinking about, like, you can just stream music now. Yeah, the availability, it takes away some of the pressures. But at the same time, I was so happy today, this morning, to be able to, like, just go and quickly listen to all these songs. Yeah, totally.

Pros and cons. But this was a book, not an album. This was literally like, you know. Like what? Pictures? I never read it. No, it was his... His memoir?

Yeah, it's like a light, but a very accessible memoir for kids. But mostly you just looked at the pictures. And there was like three sections. You know, you could look at the pages and see the ones that were actually pictures. And, you know, there was like pictures of him, all of them when they were kids and the Jackson 5. Yeah. All that stuff. So anyway, Nicole.

Nicole is muted today, by the way, guys. Not because she's been demoted demoted to mutation is because she's in a no. Two women on a podcast. Too much. Can't. It's too much. It's like a lineup at the cellar. Yeah, exactly. Only one girl per show. A lineup at the comedy cellar. We could never have two women. So Nicole, there's some construction in Nicole's building. So she has chosen to mute herself today.

But she is on the decks. So Nicole, dealer's choice, you can play whichever one you like. Hi, Des and guest. Big fan, a longtime listener, first time dialer. I'm obsessed with Giggly Squad, recently started listening to the Bishop Exchange, I'm here for all of it. My song I was obsessed with, I was probably in grade six or seven, I believe, when it came out. And this is not inspirational at all. To me, at that age, it was, was the song Seven Things by Miley Cyrus. And I listened to that song on repeat.

I made it my entire personality. It was so embarrassing. This is when there was still iTunes on your computer, and I could see like a thousand plays that I had listened to it on repeat. I'd fall asleep listening to it. Like I don't know who hurt me at that age. But yeah, that's my first song I remember truly being obsessed with when I was younger. Love you guys. Bye.

Yeah, so I actually- You didn't know this one. Well, not really. I mean, when I played it, I knew. But I left it in for you because I just felt, first of all, watching it, I was like, okay, it's very American. It's so different to what she became. And I just felt like this would have some meaning for you.

And for a lot of the dialers. So, okay, I feel like you had to be there, because I'm going to explain this, and I'm aware that this is not exciting. Okay, but you have to be there. No. No. I want to have a communal experience of everyone sharing what it meant for them. Now, if I were ever to play trivia, Disney Channel drama, you couldn't understand. At one point, she holds up a photo in the music video.

It's a picture of her and Nick Jonas with his face scratched out. This is bigger than Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rigo, the guy that they were fighting. This was the biggest thing. Nick Jonas dated Miley Cyrus. They went on tour together. Then he dated Selena Gomez. Selena Gomez was best friends with David. They made a YouTube video.

Then Miley and her best friend made a YouTube video making fun of that. You just had to be. It was crazy time. It was crazy time. So anyways, she like kind of outsets. She, like, shows a photo of him. Clearly it's him. She's wearing his dog tags.

In the video. Yes. She's wearing his dog tags, which I don't really know why he had dog tags. I think they were because he had like diabetes. You know when you have like a medical condition? Yes. And you have like. He's diabetic.

Yeah. And so he gave, I guess he gave them to her. Maybe it was an old pair, but she's like wearing his dog tags in the music video. It was crazy. Now, I do think there's a lot of discussion online about seven things I hate about you. Not something. I'm sorry. seven things.

There's not a discussion online about seven things. Is she really naming seven things? All right. She seems to be naming more than seven things. Right. So, yeah, I mean, who knows why the number. So I didn't realize that was about Nick Jonas. Oh, yeah.

It was about like, okay, so you're vain, your games, you're insecure, you love me, and you like her. So is that four or is that five, okay? You make me laugh. It's either six or seven. You make me cry. That's either. See, we have too many. I don't know which side to buy.

You're, uh, hold on. There's a little bit more. I can't do it if I'm not singing it. Your friends, they're jerks when you act like them. Just know it hurts. I want to be with what I love. There's no problem with singing it.

I know. You're going to get, you get sued. Um, but I, yeah, I mean, Miley Cyrus was probably what Michael Jackson was for you.

Um, she was. And probably, honestly, what Michael Jackson was to you. And like, what, like,

is to Christian, like what Jesus was to the Jewish people. Like she... To Jesus, Jesus was... I know, I guess I meant like, back in the New Testament. Jesus was to the disciples, okay? Well, God was to the Jewish people. She's John Smith to the Mormon people. Like, she is really...

To millennials. I mean, Hillary birthed Miley Cyrus at the Disney. Like, Hillary's God, Miley is Jesus. But it was just a wild time. But yeah, seven things is great. And also, like, for that age group, like, that was a rock song. Yeah. And I would say Miley was the Madonna from my era.

Yeah, totally, exactly. The fair comparison. Yeah. So anyway, when I saw it, I was like, okay, I can see if you're like a young woman or young, a girl, I guess a lot of people are obsessed with her. She still looks like a Disney person, but she's kind of anguish. Kind of little Avrilavini, who came first? Who came first?

Aver Levine. Aver Levine came first. Yeah. A little Avalvini, no? Yeah, a little Averloveni. And, like, Miley, like, it's like that hair, too, that, like, long hair, like, really just, I don't know what it is what, like, makes children obsessed with, like, child, like, those specific. But, like, she just had it.

She has it. And I've grown to really appreciate my exeris in adulthood because I've just, I don't know how, but I got on like a mildly star's TikTok a number of years ago. And it's just a lot of her doing covers. And like all, all her covers are incredible. Her voice is like so unique. And like, she really is, she really is that bitch. I mean, she's a, you know, it's like, you know, totally.

You know who doesn't get as much nepo baby hate? Sports stars. Sports stars. Right? Because. Are you talking about LeBron? You're talking about Rodney? He gets the hate, but he's about the only one

because I think people think he doesn't deserve the advancement that he got. But in general, it's like a statistic in the Major League Baseball, like 30% of the players, their dads were Major League Baseball players. Certainly, it's probably a higher percentage of professional sports.

So it's like, yeah, Miley is a Nepo, but she's genetic, though. The talent is genetic. And also, like, surpassing. any her, I mean, she surpassed her father. Like, please. Like, she's, she's so much bigger than him. But also, like, I feel, I feel a lot of, like, I, when I was younger and I was like,

I should be famous, I always felt like jealous of child stars. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, like, if I had started young, I could be that. But now I look at child stars and I'm like, you know what? They gave up their whole childhood. Let them be the biggest stars in the world. Well, yeah, I mean, considering how many bad outcomes come from childhood star. I know.

I think really there's no need to be jealous of them. I mean, that's a whole other episode of like, what actual success stories are there out of childhood startup? Not a lot. Especially ones that didn't have a serious amount of pain. Okay, Drew Baramo, you could say she's successful now, but like tortured life. Tortured life. But I also think with nepotism, I think there are degrees of nepo.

Okay. I think we have the ultimate nepoes and those would be your parent was an, A-lister and you are now just handed a career for five. Okay. Like a Brooklyn Beckham or something like that. Then we have a second tier, which I think like your parents had the connections. Like Dool-Lipa's parents were really well connected, apparently. I don't think that that is as high as the NEPO as an A-LIS person.

Right, yeah. But there's a lot more of that than people realize, though. There's a lot more sort of like the story behind the success is not as clear cut as just their talent. And by the way, this is not to suggest it any way that Dula-Lipa- deserve her success. Oh, by the way, I'm the biggest Julipa fan. Yeah, no. But sometimes, sometimes, like, that's how you get your foot through the door.

Of course. And then there's another degree where it's like your parents had a ton of money you never had to work. That's another. That's one we don't talk about much because there's not the connections. Yeah, the trust. Oh, oh, right. The trust. Oh, oh, you mean like they become successful in the arts.

But part of that was, yeah, they didn't have the pressure of, yes. Or a day job or something that. would take away from them. But that being said, I, after one of Hannah's shows, one time, someone came up to me and was like, oh, I heard that like your father's a musician and he does all your music for you. I just want to set the record clear.

My father works in telecommunications. He's never played an instrument. And I was so flattered to be confused for an EPO baby. My biggest dream in life is to be a Nepo baby. I think they are glamorous, fabulous. I want more Nepo baby friends. If you're a Neville baby and you want to hang out, invite me over to your house. I want to go through your drawers.

But anyway, I'm glad that Miley Cyrus has survived the test of time and has gone through many different sort of iterations of identity, musical style. But we'll take another one. So I grew up in a very Southern Baptist family, and we were mainly just allowed to listen to, like, Christian music or, like, old country. so I couldn't really listen to the normal pop that was being put out on the radio. And around 2014, the song Habits Stay High by Tovlo came out. And my mom taught jazzercise at the time. And she had to have that song in her set for whatever week it came out. And so we had to listen to it in the car anytime we were on the way to school so she could practice her set.

And in order to let us listen to it, she changed the lyrics to, I've got to eat pie all the time. And ever since that, it's like changed how we listen to music together because, you know, she's much more accepting of pop music. And that was just the song that started it all and connected us. And so I think that's the first one that like really meant something to me. Connected the secular world and the Christian. That she ran out of time. I left that one in for, I left that one in for you, Caroline. I love.

Well, I was, yeah, that's awesome. That's really amazing. I love the idea of a Southern Baptist woman who does jazzercise. At my church growing up, they actually had, like, there was a belief that yoga was pagan worship, so they did holy yoga. So what's the difference between yoga and holy yoga? I think like they like renamed all the, it's similar to this where they like redid all the positions to be like praying, like just holy. Oh, so it's just yoga. Just changed the names. Yeah. Or like, holy Pilates. So I love the idea of like a jazz or size queen.

Punches. Punches Pilates. Yeah, exactly. And like, you know. Hannah wouldn't even get that. Oh, really? Yeah, like when I make religious jokes, she, she doesn't get it. Okay. So I'll give you, I'll give an example, okay? So because I lived in Ireland for so long, but I was coming back to the States, I was going to call my first special prodigal American. That's great. I get that. Yeah. Hannah was like, What? I was like, what do you mean? She's like, why prodigal? I was like, well, the parable of the prodigal son. She was like, what's a parable? She wasn't even like, what's prodigal? She was like, what's a parable? And that's why it's called burning in hell. That's why it was called burning in hell. No, I love that. Well, she was raised without religion. So you were raised very religious, right? Yes, yeah. Like, like, but not, Hannah always describes it as like a cult, but I feel like.

I feel like a lot of people in the East Coast think of it as a cold. I think that the homeschooling aspect really is what feels that way. Yeah. I guess like when maybe it's because when you're in it, you don't feel that way about it. But like looking back, it is like maybe a little bit. Yeah. Like it's just like so all encompassing. You didn't know anyone not like you.

You know, like ostracized for certain things. If certain people didn't do like things like they were looked at weird. You were in a Christian community though, right? Yeah. So basically. You went to church. I went to church, but I was also homeschooled in a Christian community. And that Christian community, a lot of them went to the same church.

So like my homeschool group met at the church I went to. But like when you do a homeschool group, what's the difference between a homeschool group and going to school? That the curriculum isn't accredited so you can teach your kids whatever the fuck you want to teach to them. But you learned with other kids or you just learned at home? you learned with other kids, but it's like you learned from one of their mothers, like one of the moms would teach each class. Right. Okay. And it was not accredited. So like you could, like I was taught creationism rather than evolution. Like I wasn't taught. The curriculum isn't like state approved.

So were you similar to this person where? Yeah, I would say pretty similar to this person. No, no, but like were you restricted in what you could listen to? Oh yeah, for sure. We listened to hymns all the time. I did. I had like a friend at my, my Christian, like, co-op school who would show me songs on her iPod. And I also had an older sister who was in college. And if I cleaned her room, she would burn me a CD with, like, in sync and Britney Spears. So I learned eventually, you know what I mean?

But there is, there's gaps in my, like, pop culture, like, you know what I mean? And also, like, MTV was so big growing up. And, like, if my parents locked, like, the computers and the TV, but we figured them out. And when they would leave, it was like Jersey Shore, like, watch music videos, yeah. So MTV, like, what about, were music videos considered, like, off limits as far as your parents' desire? Well, the music was off limits. So, of course, the music videos, yeah. Wow.

Oh, that's amazing. And my mom would find our burn CDs. She would, like, sit. I remember, like, milkshake, for example, was, like, a big song where she was, like, do you know what they're actually talking about when they say milkshake? Do you? It's not a, it's not a mom. Why is she even asking you? What if you didn't?

Is it better to just need you and? innocence. I think that she assumed we would be like, oh my God, and be like, we don't want to listen to that. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I know that your Christian hymns are different to my Catholic hymns. I joke a lot about the hymns. They're pretty similar. So do you have a, like, what's your top? What's so you were like, go to him? Oh, um, oh, such a good question. I mean, because it's not fair because mine are at the top, you know, like I know mine straight away. So it's a, I, I, I, I know mine straight away. So I've put you on the spot. Well, at my grandma's funeral, I was saying before the throne of God above, which is a hit. That's a hit.

That's a certified banger hit. Okay. That's a Christian one. That's definitely like a born-againy one, though, I feel. Really? Give me a Catholic one. Eagles wings. Okay.

So, yeah, I agree. Like, I do know that one. Oh, you know that one. But that's Catholic. Yeah. A little bit more Catholic. Be not afraid. It's Catholic.

No, I don't really know that. Can I say something to all the Christian people who, like, especially like if you're Christian, a hill song, hit factory. Oh, really? And you can listen to that and you don't even have to be Christian and listen to to the oceans and know that that's a hit. Right. Okay.

Yeah. See, because I've been to a couple of like born again Christian type masses and I'm not religious anymore, but I wish that Catholic Mass have been more fun like that. Well, like, you go to Hills. I went to Hillsong one time because a friend was in town. And they're only in like, they're only in like, like, you know, London, L.A. and New York. She wanted to go. And I went, it was a rave. It was a concert. I was at Coachella. Yes. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was like, you know, there were people twerking. It was crazy. So not to get deep, but I always said, because, you know, back in the day, I was a big raver. And I used to use that as an example of like when people think that they're feeling the presence of God or like when they're. speaking in tongues. Like if they're not charlatans that are actually just trying to dupe you, if they're actually people that are so deep in the moment that they actually think they're speaking in tongues, like actually don't know that they're like, you know, sort of being duped, right? So they're actually speaking in tongues. Like I always say that it's because of the, you know,

the endorphins, the adrenaline, the hormones that are being secreted as a result of this communal, like, exalting experience, right? But it's a human, it's a human experience that they then a tribute to God, right? But I don't actually think that these people are like, I don't think everyone that's speaking in tongues and everyone's that's shaking and shit. I don't think they're all full of shit. I think they're like, no, they're letting go. I completely agree. You'd have the same feeling if you, if you were at a cold play concert. Now take one, one little bit of a mushroom chocolate at a cold play concert, you're going to feel God. Cold place Catholic Mass. Oh, it is Catholic Mass. It is actually, it's exactly, it's completely Catholic Mass.

Let me give you another one. Let me give you another one. I'm trying to think of like a band that has like lights and stuff. But you're right. And Colplace full up Catholic Mass. Yeah. You're right. I'm only kidding, by the way. You're right.

It's a band comparison. And I'm team Leo anyway. You know, this will go out next week. But, you know, Trump's coming after team Leo and I'm Tim Leo. I tell you, Trump's pushing. Oh, oh, the Pope. Trump's pushing me back to Catholicism, honestly. So anyway.

Why is Trump going after Team Leo? Why? Pope Leo, because he's being critical of war. You know? Oh, I see, I see, I see, I see, I see. I do, you want to know what I do love about the popes. I do love that they're like, and my name's Leo. Like they just get picked their, it's very drag culture.

Like, it's like, yeah. And I'm Francis. I think he's like Pope Leo the 14th or the 12th. I love that they pick their own name. You want to, you want to look up the Roman numerals on the Pope Leo. But anyway, okay, so we got bogged down in the thing. So, but, but you're, you're not like, you know the way like Aretha Franklin, even Beyonce, they were very much like influenced by being.

part of the music of the church. Would you say that's... There's a big difference between me and those two women, and it's that they're black. No, but I'm just saying, like, did you, did your musical connection come from, like, did you begin to express your musicality in the church, or not as much as they express? Well, yeah, I think it, I also, well, what I was saying is, is that, like, I feel like, religious people who, like, black church and, like, like, black church and, like, religious people who are people of color, like, white people are weird about religion.

We're weird. Like, they are, their religion is like so family-based, music-based. It's like beautiful. And we're freaking weird about it. Like, we take it way too hard. We go way too hard. So, but what I will say, yeah, I do, like I sang in the church. I feel like that's like the first times I sang.

It was like the first times people told me I was a good singer too. And like being in the youth group band at a church is like, you're a rock star. Yeah. You know? So yeah, I think it was, but I definitely think like my connection to music, I wasn't as connected. Like I didn't, I didn't love the music that my church has played. Like I definitely was more into like pop music, Broadway music, you know. But I think black church music was more fun anyway.

Oh, and it's so good. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. The last thing I'll say on this is, did you ever think that you could actually be like one of the most successful Christian comics out there? if you decided to like just dive in. Did you ever? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to trigger you. That is, no, no, the wheels are actually turning where I'm like, maybe I should go for it.

Yeah, I mean, well, you should definitely do some bits because like I, I, I, in Ireland, I do a lot of bits about Catholicism, but, you know, you have this universal experience of, well, not universal, but like a large, high percentage of people have had this experience of Catholicism and those jokes really resonate with, with both active Catholics and lapse Catholics, you know? Yeah, true, true. I think possibly, because the internet is a place where you can suddenly be connected to this vast community of Christians in America, where you could just do your jokes, good stand-up material, but kind of a little niche. But there's a huge, niche out there. I agree. I actually, like, weirdly enough, you talking about that, with Easter,

I posted two videos that were kind of, like, religious humor. But the only problem is, if you, like, curse in it or do something. Yeah, you have to. It's got to be clean. It's got to be clean and it has to be like for everybody. It has to be inclusive for Christians. It has to be Christian inclusive. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, with a lot of people that claim to be Christians, it's the opposite

of inclusivity. But we're not talking about that. We're just talking about good, clean, wholesome jokes. But niche, you know? Like if I started doing some of my Catholic stuff for Hannah, she's not going to get it. You know, she hasn't had the experience. But that's the thing is in New York, I feel like we're surrounded by like, heathens. Yeah.

And like, you know, like worldly people. And then you go on the road and you're like, the Catholic jokes are going to hit. Like, you know, in some places, in Philly they hit. But I feel like in the South, you got to, it's got to be the Christian stuff. And I don't know it. It's pretty similar to the Catholic stuff. But yeah. You know, I was in the South.

And I was, where was I? I was driving somewhere. Oh, I was in Texas and I was driving from Houston to Austin. And I just decided to like take a break somewhere in the middle of nowhere. And I ended up in some small town that was actually like really cool. And there was like signs of the windows that are like gay people are welcome here. And I was like, this is not what I was hoping for. Like not that I wanted them to hate gays, but I just, I was looking for a more authentic Texas experience.

I was kind of, I was surprised. But anyway, needless to say, I went to a coffee. You got to come to my Texas. Well, I went to a coffee shop, though, in this small town. I wish I could remember the name of the town. I went to a coffee shop. And the t-shirts of the staff were this coffee shop is fueled by caffeine and Christ. And then I suddenly realized, oh, all this music is Christian music.

And I was in a Christian coffee shop. And then I was like, this is what I was. I wanted to have the full experience. The Chick-fil-Ais growing up, the Chick-fil-Ais only played Christian music. And then the toy in the kids' meal would be a, there was like a Christian radio show that was really popular. I always listened to it growing up. And the toy would be a cassette of the Christian radio show. Wow.

So there you go. But, yeah, some of that, some of that, the only thing I'll say about the Christian rock and all that stuff is it's fine. But like, if I went on to my AI music. app. Like, I feel like even before AI was a thing, Christian rock is a bit AI. It is. I completely agree with you. I do know what you mean. And it's always about like five things, you know? Yeah, it's like hard to follow. There's like a South Park episode about this too. Like if you write a like Christian rock song, if you keep it vague enough, you're kind of like, is this about God or is this about a girl? Like, I'm a little confused. It's like, I need you. You make me better. I look.

up to you. Like, it's like, it's like, my life was falling apart. And then I, you came into my life and things just got better. And you're like, yeah, yeah. Sounds like a lot of. And I need you every night. It's like kind of like, and I need you every night. I talk to you every night before bed.

And when I wake up, you're the first thing on my mind. And it's like, oh. Who's this about? All right, Nicole. Let's take another. Who does not like saving money? Well, if you're not with mint, and you're with a traditional big wireless carrier,

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and the music video. And I was like, who is this man? And from then, I literally went insane. That was the beginning of my research era. And I was absolutely obsessed. All I talked about was Justin Bieber. And it truly pulled me out of a depression. So one time by Justin Bieber, baby by Justin Bieber,

I will forever be a lover and live, laugh, love, Joseph Bieber. Yeah. So I put this in because there was this, you know, Justin Bieber stuff about him watching himself on YouTube at Coachella. And I, you know, obviously I'm too old for Justin Bieber. But I even talked about it with Hannah. And like, she's just a couple of years too old for like the to be like a believer. You know? Yeah. So anyway, I, so I go on YouTube after I see this, I put in that first song, whatever she said one time or whatever. And, uh, It's, I was just shocked, like, how young he is. I know, I know. It's like, it's like, I just think his life would have been different if they just waited five more years. Like, I was uncomfortable watching it. I was like, and he was really young.

But I get it because I remember, God, way back in the early 80s, like being a young boy obsessed with like certain kind of girls on TV that were like my age. Like I was joking about the girl from Land of the Law. was like one of my things. I was just like fascinated by her. I wasn't even like, you don't even have the language inside to be like, what is this feeling that I have? I know. I can only assume that there was just like this army,

obviously army of, you know, young girls that and young boys too, to be honest, that just like didn't even know what they were feeling, but they were just overtaken by this. And then he has this look, right? This like manufacture. I mean, it's his real look, but there's just like you go and you go, yes, this is what the, you know, this is the A to the B to the C of what somebody would become obsessed with of a certain age group at that time.

I remember the first place I was when I listened to one time by Justin Bieber, and I actually said that to my boyfriend recently, and he said, I do too. Like, it was just so shocking. I think it's because he was so young, and it was like, the voice was so young. It was, like, literally listening to Alvin and the Chitmunks, it was like, he was so young. And it was like, but also I think the thing, and I think Michael Jackson has this. too is like the raw talent like you can tell that this is such a young person but like the pitch like the voice like he's just so good and um yeah and and also on top of that so adorable like you're so cute i i i like you know i i feel for jesus i and haley beber for like all of like

the criticisms online i wish nothing but the happiest life to them both. Like, I want them both just to be so happy. I'm like the biggest fan of them both. Justin Bieber gave us his childhood and he had hit after hit after hit. And I just feel like, I hope that he tours and makes music and like continues to be an artist. But if he doesn't want to, girl, that's fine. Whatever you want to do. It is so funny he was playing YouTube videos at Coachella. Yeah. And, you know, Hannah was, Hannah was, Hannah was, Hannah was, Hannah was, Hannah, Hannah, joke was that, like, if a guy did that or whatever, you know. But, uh, but, but, you know, It was a decent artistic choice to be sort of like nostalgically looking back at sort of like where it all came from, you know?

Yeah, I think there's a lot of pressure on Coachella, especially like the night before Sabrina Carpenter put on like a Broadway show. Like she just all like so beautiful. But yeah, it's just two different things. But I will say I was with Hannah when someone waterboard a male comedian. We know waterboarded us. Oh, that's right. You made a very funny video actually, yeah. And it was, it was born from a, and we were trapped.

We were in a car. There was nothing we could do. There was nothing you could do except for like just, disassociate and watch the video. And it's, they're always 30 minutes long. Like, it's just like we just had to watch those videos. And it's like, can we look at the comments? Like anything, I just don't.

But yeah, I wish nothing. Yeah. I'm sure it was crazy seeing Justin Bieber as like someone who wasn't like 10. Yeah, I just honestly, the thing with me, me is I was in Ireland and I was an it was already I was a comedian like traveling and living my life and Justin Bieber at that time that version of Justin Bieber was like a phenomenon I was aware of but unaffected by I only really became aware of Justin Bieber in his sort of mid-career demise which I was very happy to see him recover from because I wasn't I'm not a fine I you know like

I'm old enough to have seen numerous generations of childhood stars yeah You know, suffer the consequences of fame, you know? And it's really almost an impossibly corrupting force, that level of fame at that age. It's like almost impossible to not be negatively affected, you know? So. Do you think we'll ever have another Justin Bieber like that, like someone who is like, because, I mean, he came from the internet, which is huge. But I feel like now when people come from the internet, I almost just think we know too much about where that childhood. startup leads you that like we we as a society will be less likely to accept it.

Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to know because every generation has kind of had a version of that. Yeah. And actually, here's the other thing is that like now the industry of entertainment is so much more fragmented. Like it's harder. There's probably a part of the internet that currently has somebody of that age blowing up. So I really don't know that. answer. But I think like part of the thing that's so hard on the child is how like how huge he was. Like it was like he couldn't go into a target. And I feel like when you with like how segmented the internet is, it's like yeah, okay, maybe you can't go into a target in your demographic. But like you can go to target. Yes. No, yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right.

But anyway, more power to Justin Bebe. And adult, like is a lot of times I like a song. That's my joke is always like, oh, this is a great song. Who's that? It's like Harry Styles. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Harry Styles is a rock star. Yeah. Shit. I like Harry Styles. God damn it. But I felt that same way about numerous Justin Bieber songs, you know? Yeah. Like Hannah is more inclined to just like listen to the pop of the day than I ever was. So like, you know, since being with Hannah, like, you know, we just listen to just, you know, more like just the whatever's popular at the time. And, you know, there have been numerous times of songs that are Bieber songs that have been

like, this is a good song, you know, so I've, yeah, I wish I'm only the greatest, let's take a few more. We're really talking for a lot longer than I expected her only. Okay, yeah, I'm a talk about that. No, no, I'm glad. I'm glad I was concerned, you know, because it all felt so throw away, you know, just somebody's song. But anyway, let's take another Nicole. Hey, Des, hey Caroline. The first song that I was obsessed with was, sweet dreams are made of this by the Eurythmix. It was also the first record that I ever got. So a little five-year-old me was just bopping around in the living room to those sweet synthesizers and any Linux's amazing voice. And it was a banger then, and it's a banger now.

So this is really my main one. This is my number one before Beat Street and shout by Tears for Fears. In fact, I would go further and say that it's one of the best 10 songs ever made. Really? You know what I have to say to this person when I hear something like this, like five years old and I'm listening to this? This person's cool as hell. Yeah. Well, you know, there's something so cool about like when you're young and you like have a good taste of music.

Yeah, but the thing is that Sweet Dreams was major pop hit. That's the thing that maybe is not clear. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. But you're not listening to like music made four kids. Like you're like fully listening to. Yeah, 1983.

That was the year I had in my head. No, but Sweet Dreams was a hit en masse. On 1983, I'm seven going on eight years old. And I can't get enough of this. But of course, I have no control. I wasn't buying, you know, your rhythmics album. But it was when it came on the radio, like, I'm like, I love this song. And like,

Did your parents, like, play a lot of music? They didn't. But we're in the car a lot. Yeah. So we, you know, we were driving to wherever we were driving. When it would come on, it would just, you know, listening to Z100. I'm so old. I remember Z100 coming out.

But I would argue that if you took somebody that never listened to Western music in today, no, sorry. Just somebody who had never heard Sweet Dreams, a 20-year-old that happened. had never heard it, played it in a club, they would not know that it's from 1983, I would say. Yeah, completely agree. It has like that timeless. I mean, I really think it's the sense. Yeah, but obviously the sense are so 80s, but they use them in a way that feels timeless. It's also like the beat. Like it's the driving, it's the driving beat. Yeah. You know, and it's her haunting, her haunting voice. I mean, it's the perfect combo. I completely agree. I honestly, I'm like wanting to listen to it now.

I know. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, the, the restriction of the podcast format is that we don't have the rights to play the song. Because I've done radio shows where they're like, hey, give us the songs of your life, you know. And I've picked sweet dreams for that. But the thing is that then you can play it and you can feel. Yeah. Which is what I was having, which is what I was having this morning listening to some of these songs, like allowing myself to feel. And then you're also trying to feel it the way that the person that's dialed in is, you know, talking about it, you know. And you're like, what did that mean for them? You feel it, you know? Because at the end of the day, music is, it's like smell, right? It's like this song. But the thing about sweet dreams is it doesn't just bring me back to being a kid and being obsessed with the song. It just, it like heals me in terms of I will just listen to it deeply every time, you know?

I really love when a song reminds me of someone. Like maybe even if it's someone I don't like, but what I really like is when it reminds me someone really obscure, like from high school or college or middle school and like someone I don't even fully keep up with or like anything like that. I think it's like kind of such a beautiful thing to like take you back to like the bond you had with someone and not just like exes and things like that, but like a friend that you would listen to the car or like, you know, like going to basketball game, like, you know what I mean and like listening to this. I do think talking about the radio, I think now everyone listens to like streams music.

I know some people who drive have serious XM. I think that is sad. FM still exists, though. Yeah, but people don't really listen, do that? I know. Only boomers at GenX is like me. Yeah, I think it's fun that we all like, I mean, obviously we know like the biggest hits,

but like it's like the radio is like just like all of us knowing all the same music is so bonding. It is. It's bonding. I mean, listen, pros and cons, obviously, as you know. What makes me laugh about, so like a lot of people will complain in any popular podcast, if you go into the comments, you will see people complaining about the ads. And I just, I like, as somebody who was forced to like wait out the ads for most of their lives, the fact that you can just fast forward the fucking ads and you're still complaining about the ads. I mean, the ads are just part of life. That's what's made entertainment spin since the dawn of entertainment, right?

The concept of ads. The ads make it free, too, by the way. Yeah, yeah. The ads. By the way, I, I'm aware that we have ads, and this isn't, this is actually not coming at the dialers. There really haven't been any real complaints about the ads on this, but on other pods. Like, like basically any super popular pod, isn't admitted that this is a moderately popular

part, but anyway, any super pop. And I'm like, hey, guys, you can fast, you have the option. You know how many times I would have loved to fast forward at the ads on Z100? I mean, come on. Seriously. I know. I totally agree. And it's like, like, also like entertainment's like free now. Like you get on your phone, like all those people that you follow, you love their clips, like you get that for free. Well, I mean, terrestrial TV was free also. But you had ads and you couldn't fast forward them and now you can.

Yeah. Which is pretty amazing. And you can rewind it. You can go back. And if you want, you could listen to that again. Yeah. I mean, come on, man. It's amazing. Oh yeah. I have so many like air the out, you know, air. Did you get into Air? You know, it's funny. Like, to you, that's like you were so young, but to me I was already in my 20s. Air is like this French band. If you heard some of it, you would know it. It's just like one of those ones that you know. But that reminds me of an ex-girlfriend, like, quite distinctly because it was like,

that was out when we first got together. MGMT reminds me on my best friend, Carl. Yeah. I mean, there's so many. Like the Daniel Caesar album reminds me of, like, the guy dated, like, in, like, my senior year of college. But it's, like, funny because it's like, you get to this point where, like, you don't have any hard feelings towards them anymore, but also, like, I don't want to reach out. Like, I don't need

to talk to them either. And it's just, like, funny. It's funny to take, it's probably more of the connection you have with yourself at that time. And you at that time cared about that person. So, like, you're like, you know, but it's such a beautiful thing, like, in a retrospective way. You know what I mean? By the way, I think one of the best, like, modern songs about death and grief, and I don't even know if it's about death and grief, but I feel like anyone who's ever lost somebody will say that it just hits them deep is uh moby's when it's cold outside uh you know you'd have to listen to it but i i'm writing it down right oh right that's a it's a toughy though be curious i'd be curious if you cry do you what song i can't i can't get through i cannot get

through this song um stop this train by john mayor oh interesting yeah because the john mayor thing passed me by no do you want to sing it oh okay well you can sing it We won't get in trouble for singing. Okay. It's like, the chorus is like, it's about time. And it's like, stop this train. I want to get off and go home again. I can't take the speed.

It's going in. I understand, but someone please stop this train. But he has this one line where he goes, the second verse. I'm going to sing it higher now because that sounded bad. He goes, I don't know how else to say it. I just don't want to see my parents go one generation way from figuring life out on my own. And then he's like, I called my old man. I said, help me understand.

He said, John, turn the 60A, Uri, negotiate, don't stop. And he calls his dad, and his dad is like, don't stop this train. Like, you can't stop this train. There's no reason to enjoy your life. Stop, like, stop living, trying to stop it and just live in the moment. And it's just like, I can't get through it. It's too, it's too real. It's too real.

It's too real. It's too real. about your life that way. Like, just enjoy it. Like, it's like when you watch a movie and you're thinking about like, do that, did the actors feel awkward in the sex scene? Did the, it's like, just live it. Just enjoy the movie. And I know that that's probably coming from a place of privilege because, you know, your parents are alive. My parents are alive. Yeah. And like, that's, and like, not to mention, like, if you've lost a child or so it's coming from a huge place of privilege. But it is like so, it's too much. You know what I mean? It's like too much.

Yeah, there's a few like that for me. I struggle now with someone like you by Adele. Yeah. Oh, my God. Adele. She must, it must be, like, it must be hard to be Adele. Like, if you can write that, like, you're living and a, you're feeling too much. And my live show, Mia, Mama, I say that Adele's voice seems to be perfectly tuned to the frequency of my tears.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Let's take another Nicole. Guys, have you tried out Poshmark? Hannah and I think it's kind of one of the coolest things ever. Do you have a running list of pieces you've been hunting forever?

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The year was 1983. I was 13 years old. And I was a big fan of you two and the police. but when every breath you take came out on MTV we had just gotten MTV and it starts with that guitar that guitar riff and the snare drum

and oh he went short he went short rare male rare male dialer by the way I didn't just pick I didn't just pick ones from my era this is an an iconic song though iconic and also reused by asshole puff daddy yeah and that's actually how i know the song

from yeah it was hilarious yeah yeah but this is it is just like iconic and sometimes you think like oh these songs could be redone and upgraded they can't yeah that that that is a classic but also just like classic videos too but you know like videos don't matter as much as they used to but like those those ones are those those were biggies yeah yeah i think that song has to resonate with a lot of people right well it's crazy when a hit song is about like it's not just about like you're hot i like or like you know it's crazy when a hit song is like sad or like about grief or like missing someone or you know what i mean it's like wow you really you really took something really sad and made it a banger.

Yeah. What is it actually about, funny enough? Do you know? I don't know. Well, it's got to be about someone passing away, no? Yeah. You know what? That's worth the look of it.

That's one of these things. I just, I never actually looked into the meaning of it. I just felt it for what it was for me. Let's, uh... Yeah, every... It's like that Charlie Poof song's another one that was like a banger that was like the... It's been a lot. So every, every breath you take.

Sorry, I didn't mean that. to interrupt your... No, you're good. Every breath you take by the police a song about obsession, jealousy, and surveillance written by Sting in 1982 following his divorce. See?

While often mistaken for a romantic ballad, the lyrics express the sinister perspective of a possessive lover watching someone's every move. Now we've got to listen. A, Dylas, you're telling me, you're probably sitting there at the beginning of this episode saying,

where the hell is this going to go? You're telling me we're not all listening to every breath you take one more time? I had no idea. Pause. Okay. Oh, can't you see? You belong to me.

Oh my God. All right. Well, now we're all listening to that again. Wait, okay, now it's a different. This is kind of like creep by radiohead, which is another one like is just, but creep by radio head. Apparently the story is he wrote it about stalking a girl and he brought it to the band. And the band was like, we're not.

doing this. Like, this is creepy. It makes us look weird. And so that distorted guitar, the guitarist was like, I'm putting this in there here because I know it'll fuck the song up. And so it won't be a hit because I hate like that you wrote this creepy song. But the guitar ended up totally making it. Like that guitar is so sick. Self-loathing, unrequited love and focusing on a narrator who feels unworthy of a perfect woman. Inspired by Tom York's obsession with the woman he followed at university. I'll be watching you. Oh, my God. Wow.

So anyway, that's, by the way, I absolutely, that era, the creep era, 1993, you know, I was in the peak of my alcoholism. But I really loved the music of that era, Creep being one of the sort of classics of that time. Guitar Hero. Even though he doesn't like it. It's so good. I don't know why.

But the guitar hero really, guitar hero and glee are how I got a lot of my, because my guitar here the game. Yes, the guitar hero the game. That's where I heard message in the bottle the first time. Really? Child, a sweet child of mine. I heard all, Weezer, I heard it all from Guitar Hero. And then Glee is how I learned everything else. Right.

Well, actually, there's a Weezer one, Nicole. You want to play it since it's come up? Oh, my God. I don't know if you're talking about songs. I did remember. and I still remember, but Island in the Sun by Weezer brings me back to the Mary Kay and Ashley movies that they used to make. I forgot exactly which one, because there were so many, but there was one time they were at a tropical location, an island in the sun by Weezer played, and ever since then,

I've been obsessed with that song. I love listening to it when I'm at the beach, when I'm somewhere warm when I have a drink in my hand. You know, a place I haven't been in in a long, long, long, long time because I'm pregnant with a toddler, but a place I remember very well. So Island and the Sun by Weiser, I highly recommend everyone listening to it when the weather gets warm. It's an ASMR message there today. She had the headphones right to the mouth on that one. I like it.

I need her to tap on it a few times. Yeah, so I know this song, but I had to look it up. Hip, hip. Well, it reminds me of Aquamarine, which was a really big movie growing up, and they played Island and the Sun in Aquamarine. But this actually leads me to something I wanted to talk about, which was movie soundtracks. Okay.

I think movie soundtracks used to be a work of art. Yes. Incredibly curated, just absolutely brilliant. And I think we've lost that art a little bit. I think it's because a lot of people have composers, I think it's because we have a lot of horror movies, to be honest. And, like, composers are composing music for, I mean, the Barbie soundtrack was a great example of someone really having fun

and, like, making that art a thing. But movie soundtracks used to be just like. Yeah. Well, I think, honestly, I think the problem is actually more that there's not as many good films as they used to be, because the industry's getting screwed up. Yeah, and also music rights are really expensive now. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, you know, there's like some famous ones like The Mission and Gladiator. Drive, very... Yeah, high fidelity, obviously, iconic. But I think, I don't know. I think if you broke it down, I'd say the percentage of movies with, like, great soundtracks is the same. It's just the percentage of movies is down. I feel in general, certainly the percentage of movies that get attention. is down.

But there are certain songs that will just always be, like, can you, so would you have a connection to Adagio with Strings, the classical song that they play at the iconic scene in Platoon? No, because you want to know what? I've never seen Platoon. Yeah, I know, because that's just a generational thing, you know? But, you know, what's funny is in the rave era, they used to, there was like an adagio with strings, like, you know, rave techno version, which.

But again, I think a lot of people were having this euphoric moment with Adagio strings because of its connection to platoon. But I don't know. People can message you into the Spotify comments. I mean, I'm a big, I'm a sucker for Hans Zimmer, you know? Of course. I'm a sucker for Lisa Gerard, Deadcan Dance, who was the vocalist on Gladiator. So, like, there are certain soundtracks that 100% resonate. But I just don't know how much I can agree or disagree with what you're saying because I don't know the

facts on it, you know? Well, I just looked up, uh, Rolling Stones did an article, like, a hundred best movie soundtracks and like at, like, a hundred is like bodyguard, which is like, the fact that I will always love you is like from a movie is like, like, that's crazy. Like that's a incredible, but I guess what you're, what you're saying is. I saw it in the movie theater, uh, Christmas of, crazy. Christmas of 1990, I think, right? Is it released in 1990? Because I remember I came back from Ireland and I went to see it. I think so. I'm scrolling through the, to get some number of that. I went to see it with Karen Browder, but it could have also been like 1991.

I distinctly remember. But I guess what you're saying makes sense because the movie would be like, if you get your song in a movie and the movie's a hit and everyone's seeing the movie, like that's incredible marketing. So it's like if less people are seeing movies, it's like, you know, not as helpful to your song. I think so. But if it's his purple rain.

was in a movie as well. Purple Rain, yeah. The movie's Purple Rain, though. It's a Princess movie, right? It is. Oh, that makes sense. And well, that makes sense too. Like, we got Mariah Carey, we got Crossroads, Britney. It was probably like a thing to, a marketing. Like, make a movie. I, my vague, because I was very young, because obviously I really liked Princess Purple Rain album, but I was like too young for the actual movie. Yeah. But my memory was that Purple Rain, the movie was a lot more artistic than crosswords. Like, not to, not to dismiss Crossroads, but just like, I, My recollection is that it was like a brooding almost like sort of like musical journey.

Yeah, that makes sense. But again, I'm open to correction on that because I feel like I would have to go back and watch Purple Rain. I don't think a lot of people are probably fighting you on that. But you want to actually, I actually want to take back what I said about movie soundtracks. Because now that I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about Stranger Things. The Stranger Things soundtrack is a huge thing. And it's also brought back a lot of great songs. It's brought back a lot of great songs.

I guess back in the day it was more of like less about the, uh, brought back Wuthering Heights, right? And now he wouldn't like the movie's back, but the actual song Wuthering Heights, classic. Yeah. Well, also the thing, like the second time that Journeys Don't Stop Believing hit the charts was because it was, no, it was actually a Hills episode. Oh, what? The Hills, L.C. Lord Conrad and Brody, Jenner were in the car together and they put on Don't Stop Believing. And MTV in their shows used to, when a song would play, they would say the song.

in the corner. And it took it to the charts the second time. And I'm sure Glee took it to again. Well, Sopranos, it was the Sopranos ending also. So I wonder how many times don't stop believing it's been in the charts. Because if the Hills brought it back too, because the Sopranos ending, it's literally the ending of the Sopranos, right? Am I read about that?

Yeah. And then I remember, because I've never seen Glee. I've never watched an episode of Glee. But I know, I know that Glee has brought back a lot of songs. I want to say to everyone who's like Glee theater kid, that's annoying, that's annoying. It is just fucking funny.

Like it, just look up like Glee highlights. I've never seen Glee. Can I tell you what he did, what Ryan Murphy did? This is sick. Oh, it's Ryan Murphy. That's where he came from? Because as far as I concerned,

I'm going to throw something controversial. He's ruining everything he fucking touches now. Is that why? I was wondering, I was why he was like, why is this guy so popular? Glee. Yeah. But also,

And then like American Horror Story and then I liked the Menendez brothers. I know they didn't like it. It's, you know, it's, it's just, I, I can, I can, I know before I, if somebody, before I know that it's him, I can, I know it's him. I know, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Nurse Ratchet, nurse Ratchett. Like, just, just back off. That's all I have to say is just, just back off the, the story a little bit.

Like, let, let the, let the narrative develop. But he has to just fuck with it so much stylistically and visually to the point that it's distracting. And I get, honestly, to me, he's just showing off. You know, him and Baz Luhrman, and it's, I'm not homophobic, but him and Baslerman need to calm the fuck down with the editing and the visual story. I love visual storytelling, but not when it gets in the way of the story. I hear what you're, I know what you mean. I get what you're saying. I also think, but one thing that Ryan Murphy did that was really good was that OJ Simpson trial.

I really liked that series. Yeah, the funny joke about that, this is a hundred percent true story is I made a joke about, I used to just have a joke about something. I can't remember what it was, but anyway, I mentioned the OJ thing when that was on and I got a complaint from somebody saying, oh, that was a spoiler. I'm just watching the show. And I was like, no, I was talking about real fucking history. It was like a real thing.

I get somebody complained to me, spoiling the fact that O.J. got off. And also the fact that we're learning are the fact that we're learning like history, I mean, I mean, I guess it's kind of pop culture. But the fact we're learning history from Ryan Murphy, like, shows. Well, also, I heard a lot of people, I didn't watch Love Story, but I heard a lot of people being like, they die. And it's like, well, yeah, they die. Have you, have you seen Jay? F.K Jr. around. Oh, that.

They didn't know that they died. And it's like, well, did you, did you not Google? Like, I feel like when I start a show, I immediately Google, you know, and I... Well, I have to say, if I'm watching something about something that I know happened, but I don't know, I try not to find out. So that's fair enough. But it's just like there are levels to this shit. Like, literally OJ Simpson trial, one of the top... It's got to be top five most famous trials ever.

Yeah, totally. Right? Yeah. So it's like, you know. Anyway, I'm getting bogged down. By the way, just because this person also mentioned U-2, obviously I'm a huge U-2 fan. It was like an Irish-American sort of obligation

that you must love U-2. But not the first album that I bought, but I remember for my birthday present once, my neighbors, the Dockerties, bought me a vinyl of U-2's October. Back when like everybody, like a record player was always the top part of your cheap, Did you ever have those cheap, like, you know, high-fi sets that had like a cassette player.

And so it would be like a cassette player, a radio. And the top of it was vinyl. That was like standard. I had that, but it was a CD. Right, yeah. But you had a vinyl? No, never had a house. No, yeah.

So the vinyl, it used to be standard. But anyway, U2's October was that. Have you listened to Inhaler? It's Bono's son's band. It's pretty good. I actually, I've noticed, but I have. haven't listened to after six he sounds just like him it's pretty good interesting maybe we maybe i need to start a music pod this is really yeah maybe why not so nicole this is a big moment for you but you're

going to have to pick our final choice we have a lot we'll play out loads of them but um you can you get to pick do you're going to go nostalgic are you going to go more recent what are you going to pick Nicole it's a lot of pressure on you hi does and caroline this is also des the first song i truly remember being obsessed with is I'll be there, the Mariah Carey version. I actually, my dad and I saying that I had to have been at like eight years old in a karaoke bar with him, single dad over there. He did a great job. I remember he put the microphone. He pretended to sing and let me sing. We won $100 that night. I thought it was so much money. I still treasure that memory so much.

So I'll be there by Mariah Carey. Yeah, I was even fancy. Had to do the fancy part. Love you guys. Have a great day. Bye. This one's huge for me. Really?

Yeah. I'll be there, the Mariah Carey version. I completely agree. So big, huge. Like, I'm surprised I didn't think to say this one at the beginning. Really? Yeah. I love this one.

I mean, I love Mariah Carey, but like, just in a way that she was on all the time. I didn't. I think she's the greatest vocalist of all time. I know that people think differently. But for me, people will pull up videos, like, of whatever. And it's like, okay, I'm talking about Mariah Carey, like, you know, we're talking Mariah Carey glitter. We're talking, like, you know, Mariah Carey, you know, your voice is a muscle and it's something

that you really have to keep up. It's something that like Ariana Grande has done an amazing job keeping up. And I think Mariah Carey's busy. I think she's probably just not in the vocal gym. But when she was, wow, what an unbelievable voice. Greatest vocalist of all time you're saying, one of. I think, well, Whitney Houston as well.

Whitney Houston as well. But I think for me, like, I really love, like, you know, the voices are all different. and like for example like Ariana Grande has a very light voice. She's like a soprano coloratura, which like in opera, they're the ones who can like, oh, oh, like all the way high up. And then you have people like Adele who have like deep, soulful voices. They're heavier.

They're bigger. They're darker color. And then there's like kind of like these Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston people who are in the middle. They're soulful, but they can go higher. And then you have different voices. And Whitney Houston was a master of like going into her head. voice and all these different voices. So was Ariana Grande, but so was Mara Carey, and I just

loved the tone of her voice. Like, it was just, I just loved the color. Like, I think it's so beautiful. But also I love what Eugen. They're time for me, actually. Does she get enough credit, Mara Carey? Do you feel that she's respected in the same, in the, in the canons of vocalists? I think she is respected. I think she is, I think, like, especially for people who sing she's really expected. She's really respected. I think the thing about it is that unlike Celine Dion and a few other people, she hasn't like kept it up as much. She doesn't do as many live performances and she doesn't like, you know, I also think like when people struggle with alcoholism and things like that, which like that really affects your voice. But, you know, people like Celine Dion, it's like so indeniable

because for decade after decade after decade, it's like just the same sound. so incredible. And so I think because she doesn't like live perform that much and she doesn't like, you know, flex her gift that much, like people forget. But she really is unbelievable. Okay. Just a couple of quick questions since we're here. What was the best like live show you were ever at? Just out of curiosity. Can I say something? And I, out of respect, I need to look up this person's name because I cannot say the wrong name. Okay. But I went and saw all Titanic on Broadway. And there is someone in the cast who sang, and I literally was like, this might be the

greatest vocal performance I've ever seen live. Really? And it was Deborah Cox. Wow. She sings at one point, and she was unbelievable. Just unbelievable. I'm trying to think of who the greatest vocalist I've seen live is. I didn't grow up going to concerts, so I actually haven't seen a lot of concerts.

I mean, I wasn't even thinking the greatest vocalist, but I get it in this vein. I mean, for me. Oh, greatest concert. Yeah, tell me greatest concert for you. Well, greatest concert of all time. I mean, I had so many, but the Beastie Boys was my favorite moment. But in the vein of vocalists, I mean, Adele is up there. Adele is up there, undeniable.

I saw her at Madison Square Garden. Actually, you know who? I saw Tracy Chapman live in Dublin. Wow. Really. That was very moving. those are two standouts um you know i don't know like what the greatest car i haven't even seen that many concerts if i'm being honest i do think and this is going to be so left field

i saw charlie xx like three years or four years ago at cochella and the amount of energy she puts on stage is just unbelievable yeah that's that's a good one unbelievable the amount of energy she like puts out there um It's fine. I'm just putting it on the spot. I apologize. No, you're fine. I'm just like, wow, I don't even know who, like, who hits it for me. I think when you're, anytime I see a concert and I'm really there, I'm like, this is the greatest show. You know, anytime you're, like, taken out of, like, and you're really just mesmerized by someone, you're like, this is just crazy. Well, let's leave it there. Actually, Caroline, do you have a, you want to post, you want to plug your Instagram, any live shows or anything?

Yes. I mean, please. follow me on Instagram at Caroline with a C, C, A-R-O-L-A-N-E, B-A-E-W-I-C-Z. I'm like going to Indiana for Indy Fest. So come... Indy Fest. I don't even know when it is. I think it's the summer. But I'll be there.

And otherwise, just please follow. I'll be posting any live shows and I'll be annoying the hell out of you. So like... Okay. Great. And actually, my shows are done. By the time this goes out, I will be done. I will be beginning the podcast.

process of working on a new show. So just do your usual. Like and subscribe. Congratulations. Leave leave in the Spotify comments. Any thoughts? And yeah, we'll see you guys next week. Thank you so much. Always listen, guys, in my DMs, I love prompt suggestions, particularly prompt suggestions. Those are like the most helpful, fun things. And we've had some great suggestions. So keep them coming. And thanks, Nicole. Thanks, quiet Nicole, hidden Nicole. Thank you so much.

And thank you for having me. So a song that had meaning to me is probably also a trauma response. I love it, no matter what, it's fine. I'm a ballet dancer and we were doing Swan Lake and I was doing four little swans and it's very stressful. Your shoulder to shoulder, your hands are interlaced with the people, next to you and you're moving across the stage, your head is going in a different direction that you're going. So you can imagine it's pat your head, rub your tummy, kind of a situation. And every time the music comes up, my blood pressure goes up and my heart races and I get stressed.

So now it's my alarm clock. And you bet your bottom dollar that I get up on the second note. And I am alert and awake. Hi Des. The first song that really meant something to me is You're Beautiful by James Blunt. I don't really know how it happened, but it ended up on one of the CDs that my mom had burned for the car. And I just vividly remember being in the back of a minivan with my little sister and this song coming on a repeat and we'd just be singing, you're beautiful. And then, yeah, every time I hear you. I think of her and I think of all the funk car rides. So yeah, have a good one. So I think one of the songs that meant something to me at a really young age is Big Big World by Amelia. Really weird. I was too when the song came out.

I just checked that now. And I think I grew up with an absent father because he was working in Ireland. while he's sending remittances in the Philippines, and this song just kind of meant something to me as a seven-year-old and singing it, as if, like, I'm actually a big, big girl. Fly by Sugar Ray is also a song that to the day, I will hear it and think that I'm in the back of my dad's Volvo.

I was born in 95, so that era of music, like Simple Plan, and Sugar Ray, you know, no doubt is all, like, my childhood music. And I just remember, like, the Sugar Ray music videos were always so trippy. So, honestly, anything from, like, the late 90s, early 2000s genre was pretty crazy. Like, even Survivor by Destiny's Child, I, like, remember that music video. And me and my, like, friends in elementary school, like, reenacting that. But, yeah.

Hello, Des and Caroline. Nice to, well, I was going to say nice to meet you guys, but I'm not meeting you guys. But anyway, my favorite song when, or the first song, whatever the prompt was, the earliest song I can remember, follow me by Uncle Cracker. that is a crowd pleaser if you ask me um just like a very even though it's a sad song when you listen to it i'm pretty sure it's about cheating like something about that ring you wear but as long as no one knows then nobody can care yeah it's about cheating but great song i don't know it brings me back to when i was like four years old in jamaica or something but yeah wonderful song and des i think you're doing

so well on the podcast without Hannah. I'm a big fan of Hannah, so we do miss her, but getting her twice a week on Gigli Squad is such a blessing, and I think you're doing awesome on your own, does. And I don't think you ramble either. Hi, this is Erica, and the first song that came to my mind was girls just want to have fun, Cindy Lopper. And granted, I was maybe around four years old,

but talk about nostalgia, yeah. I was a super shy child, and I remember it coming on MTV video, and I went to look for my mom to see if she was around or if anyone, well, if she was watching and she wasn't there. So then I ran back into the room and stood right in front of the TV and just started rocking out dancing because, I don't know. And it just, like, brings back really good memories of me let loose as a kid. Anyways, I love your comedy, and thanks.

I think my song that I was, pick is Here Without You by Three Doors Down. It was so intense and emotional. And when I first heard it at like nine years old, I was thinking about this hypothetical girl who got away while I was like fully in the fourth grade. And over 20 years later, that song can still bring me to tears. I think it was so impactful because it made me like subconsciously realize that art in any four. like music included can elicit an entirely new emotional response. I'm guaranteed I wasn't thinking about it this deeply at nine years old.

But I mean, it can. Art and music is very, very powerful. And that song has like always really stayed with me. Hi, Des Caroline and Nicole. Diler here from Nova Scotia Canada. The first song that I remember being absolutely obsessed with was It's My Life by Bon Jovi. I believe I was about four or five at the time. I told my preschool teacher that this was my favorite song and she wasn't exactly sure what I was talking about.

She had to ask my mom what I meant. But anyways, I think the reason why I liked this was because of the guitar solo in it to be. be completely honest with you, since I was four or five at the time. I also was listening to the Eagles whenever my dad would play that. So I think that's probably why I enjoyed that song the most. This is a great prompt. The song, leaving on a jet plane by John Denver, used to make me cry and have tantrums from the age of like two to like probably like 14. That's crazy. But my mom would be just singing it, like around the house, singing it to herself, singing it to whatever. And I would freak out thinking she was leaving and never coming back. So yeah, that's immediately what I thought of.

It was the first song, I take song lyrics very literally, I guess. And to this day, every time I hear that song, that's what I think about. And I get sad. Hey, DJ does. I'm probably late to recording this. But one of the songs that first held meaning for me that I can remember is the living years by Mike and the Mechanics, which I'm sure nobody knows. I'm a very young 39. And I heard this when I was probably five or six in a car dealership in Florida. And when I was 10, I moved to Canada and I lost touch with my dad and became estranged from him for over 20 years. And the song would randomly pop up and I would just think of my dad. And since then, we have reconnected. So every time I,

I hear the song, it just kind of reminds me of where I was and where I am now. Hi, Des and Guest. My favorite song that I remember really feeling a connection to and still to this day having a connection to is November Rain by Guns and Roses. My father passed away in 2019. And that song truly helped me get through every phase. of grief. It's I love old rock music. I love an electric guitar. And I mean, I still listen to that song every single day and never get sick of it with a smile on my face. I personally think, I mean, I personally think Axel Rose is one of the best vocalists ever. And I think that is one of the best songs ever. But it's definitely meant a lot to me and still does. Hey, burner phone. I was trying to come up with an answer to this prompt.

and I was thinking. I remember being in the car with my parents as a kid. And my dad always used to play the song Purple Rain. And I, like, had a speech impediment. Like, I couldn't say ours. So I couldn't say, like, girl or purple. I'm, like, so insecure that I can't. But I feel like I'm saying it right. Anyways, I called it Purple Rain and, like, I would go go. So, like, my parents always would be like, Grace, say those words in front of people, and, like, they would all laugh at me. But, you know, I was all in good fun. But, yeah, I guess it's a nice memory to remember Purple Rain. It's a good song. The first song I remember being completely obsessed with.

I was probably four or five was Return to Pooh Corner by Kenny Loggins. and we would take the same route to school every day and we would pass a radio station and my mom would say if we honk they'll play Return to Pooh Corner and so we would honk and they would play return to Poot Corner. Later I realized that she was just putting on the tape in the car

but it was always a thing like oh my gosh I'm so special but yeah okay the first song I ever became obsessed with that I thought of immediately was Savage Garden truly madly deeply. As a child, I don't know, I was probably like six. I don't even freaking know. I don't know why I was like obsessed with that man's voice, even though I'm pretty sure he's gay. I don't quote me on that, but I'm like almost certain he's gay, which is great. I love gay people. But yeah, I don't know. For some reason, it's like anytime I would

hear it, I would scream and get so excited, or I would wait by my boombox and record it on my cassette because I was like, I have to listen to us all the time. And now when I think about it, I'm like, that's weird. Why was I obsessed with that? I was a child listening to some crazy lyrics with that. Okay, so the first song I remember being obsessed with was sexy can I. and I think it was because it was a preset ringtone on my literal, like, slide phone, my little Samsung. And I just remember like playing it over and over again and thinking it was such like a kind of naughty song. And I also used to think that they were saying sexy canon instead of sexy can I. So, you know, pro war, I guess.

But not anymore. Okay, bye. to be loved by Adele is probably the first song that I really was like, oh, okay, miss girl, that made me think. And it's because there's the part where she says that she can't live a lie just in order to be loved. And that really helped me come out of the closet because I was sitting there thinking,

I'm living a lie because I want this type of love but I'll never actually get true love if I continue to live this lie. Very deep, very introspective, period. Also, I really love tears by Sabrina Carpenter because that really gets my inner slut going. So that one also has left an impact on me too. Hi guys. The first song that I remember being obsessed with was Toxic by Britney Spears. It was the song, but it was all.

Also the music video, and I remember I was about five or six years old, and I would just sit in front of the TV and watch MTV and just hope for the music video to play. And I would watch hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. And that was before YouTube. So I don't know. Kids these days don't understand the struggle. But the feeling when the music video finally came on was euphoric. So that's my first song that I remember.