Berner Phone - What Generation Do You Wish You Grew Up In?

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

This week, Des listens to voicemails from Dialers who wish they grew up in a different generation. From club culture and technology to roller skating and funeral etiquette, Des explores what makes people long for another era.   Call [phone] to leave us a voicemail! International Dialers can leave us a voice memo on WhatsApp: [phone]   FOLLOW DES: Tickets: https://punchup.live/desbishop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/desbishop Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/desbishop X: https://x.com/desbishop YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Desbishopcomedy TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@desbishop5   FOLLOW NICOLE: https://www.instagram.com/nicoleclyons/   Produced by Nicole Lyons Productions Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicolelyonsproductions/ Website: www.nicolelyonsproductions.com

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Thanks for calling the burner phone. If you leave a message after the tone, we may have to make it into a podcast. Hello, my little dialers, and welcome back to Burner Phone. If you watch some of our clips, which I have to say I'm pretty lazy on putting up, but very sterile white background here today, Nicole is here. myself and Nicole, I've had a very serious conversation about knee rehab, which you have been spared from, 15-minute conversation, about various types of exercise for late-stage ACL recovery. Now, thanks, everybody. This is our second week of using our new phone number, which you should save in your phone, everybody, especially you regular submiters.

It's 9-1-7-58. And for our international tires, you can WhatsApp on plus 165. 464-2-3-370-20. That's plus one, six-four-six, four-two-three-seven-zero-t20. Now, this is important, okay, because a couple of people were calling me on the WhatsApp. So, just for the record, it's going to my phone. The WhatsApp is for voice notes, okay? The phone number, the 911-1-2-1-7-58, will automatically go to the messaging. but the WhatsApp is an auxiliary method only for international dials because I don't want them getting charged for an international call. But when you call it, it rings on my phone. Okay. So I'm not going to answer. And then you won't get the ability to leave a message. So the WhatsApp is for voice notes. This is not, what would one say? This is not an invitation to start trying to call me in the middle of the night.

But anyway, that's the method we're using now. And again, just to repeat, this was not done because I felt we needed a better system. Telby still to this day, because I checked again today, because I feel like there's some messages that were sent that are living in Telby limbo. But Telby is down still now for a week and a half. So RIP Telby, certainly for Burnaphone. If they ever sort themselves out, you let us down. And this is our new. This is our new method. Now, great message that came in from a dialer on Instagram for the prompt, which was, which generation would you prefer to have grown up in? Or like, it was something to that effect. It'll be clear from the messages. I did actually have a bit of a generation gap moment with Hannah, literally about the phone numbers, because I asked Hannah,

because I actually kind of forgot that we were recording this morning. So I put it up a little late. on my Instagram. And by the way, we've done a lot of episodes, you know? So, you know, you're going to the well a lot. I think sometimes people, like, they don't expect it. So anyway, I was worried that we weren't going to get enough. So I said, Hannah, can you put, can you just post what I posted?

There's no link. The numbers are just on the post? And Hannah was like, but what are people going to do? Like, how are they going to click? How are they going to click on the thing? And I was like, no, it's a phone number. They just have to like call the phone number. And she was like, yeah, but what are they going to?

What, do they just have to, like, remember it when they see it? And I was like, well, yeah. Like, it's a fucking phone number. Like, we're that, we're that far removed that, you know, you can't just, like, you know, like screenshot it and then just call the number. So I apologize to the younger dialers that are perplexed by the concept of this is the phone number. I do apologize. I literally looked it up.

I looked up, can you make a link? And you can only make a link for a number if you have Instagram business, which I'm not, it's not a, mine's not a business profile. So I highly recommend everybody save the number 9-1-7-5-1-2-1758 or on WhatsApp plus 16464-2-3-0-2-0. This is the way it is. It's an old-school radio, you know? You got to just like, you got to call in, have that shit on speed dial.

You know, the minute we post up, leave a message. and those lines are open 24-7, so don't forget to message in whenever you want about anything. So let's, so I listed one, Nicole, as the person who actually messaged in with the prompt. Can you see that one? Hey, love the pod so much. I actually sent a message in about the topic for the week. I really, my whole life, in my adult life at least, I felt like I've yearned to live in a time period where no technology existed. Not any technology at all, but like before iPhones and all the crazy technology that we're living in now, as someone who is Gen Z, I grew up with an iPod in my hands, probably at

nine, anywhere between seven and ten years old. And I feel like it would be really cool to live in a time period before that, like, whether it's my parents' time period, whether growing up in the 60s or even in the 90s where technology is there for sure, but you still had to make so much more of an effort to see people and talk to people. and I feel like that's almost getting lost to an extent. I really, really loved being able, like, the concept of being able to, like, have to put in so much more effort to talk to people in the way that, like, you really do show that you care in a different way.

Almost, like, how they do in the movies kind of thing. But I don't know. just my take on it. I love the pod. Love everyone. I love Ghibby squad. I love Hannah. Love you. Love everyone. Thank you. I like the longer messages. You really get to sort of settle into the conversation. So obviously this theme comes up a lot, you know, I, but it is it is the essence behind a lot of the messages, the technology part. You know, what's really interesting is nobody message then being like, I wish I grew up in 1800s or 1700s Austria when Mozart was completely or whatever. I don't even know what period he was, 1800s, I guess. But it was all very

much sort of like within the confines of what we experienced through what used to be considered modern media like cinema and television. But anyway, I mean, I don't want to like belabor the point because we we sort of like we talk about it a lot. But that is that is the overriding theme for the episode. I do just as somebody who experienced some of the errors she's talking about, I will go to my grave being of the opinion that we peaked in the early 90s technology-wise. Like I really, I know that every, like I know they thought that like television was going to be sort of the thing that caused the breakdown of society, and I'm sure they said the same about the radio. And, you know, like, I know that every technological advancement has expressed concern,

but I really do think that the Frankenstein monster of everything that came sort of from the late 90s on is going to prove to be a serious challenge for the sort of longevity of humanity, as we know it. and so with that in mind, let's take a couple more because they're not, it's not always going to be so, so deep. Dating, dating, dating, dating, dating, dating, dating, that's what makes you wish you were from a different generation. You know, back in the day, I think that most men were like actually concerned with like finding a good wife to start a family and do all. all these things in a reasonable amount of time. Nowadays, you've got to do a whole song and dance just to even figure out, oh, oh, do you ultimately want to get married and have children? Like, it's not straightforward. Do you even talk about it? You got to dance around and somehow, like, trick him

into disclosing that information. You're like, oh, okay, cool. Now I know that we've both the same thing. That's great. But then that's what? 10% of the guys of the normal guys. And then you got these freaking crazy guys who are love bombing you like whatever, desperate for a relationship. And you think, oh, that guy knows what he wants. And you're like, no, that guy's psycho. It is just confusing. And I think in an earlier generation, it was a lot more straightforward. Okay. Okay. All right. Listen, great. sentiment. Pros and cons though, you know, because the pool of guys that you were going to have to choose from in that situation was also going to be smaller, you know? So it's like, yes,

on one level, I guess it was a little more straightforward. But, you know, it's a complicated conversation around the dating thing because like the sort of grass is always greener, the sort of, the sort of, what's the word for when you're something eyed? You have like like a, what's the expression for when you're like looking at something, rose-tinted glasses, looking back at a time where that stuff was like a little bit more defined. But at the same time, you don't forget, you were also, the guy was like clear that's what he wanted, but you were also feeling pressure for that to happen. So a lot of people like settled early, you know, is it, is it a guarantee that those people were happier, where more people,

stuck in weird marriages. I don't know, by the way. I'm just saying that that is very much a grass is always greener situation, you know. Plus, you didn't have the freedom to maybe experience as much, you know, dating numerous people throughout your early 20s. And again, I don't know which is better, you know.

I've heard, I've heard like people, you know, that defend traditional Indian marriages. They say, oh, actually, arranged marriages have less divorce. I've heard all these crazy arguments for situations that I would consider to be not ideal. So I would say, yes, there are elements of, I would say this is more a little bit also of a indicative of like that people have too many options that like it's just so easy to have exposure to just a wide array of a dating pool, like in your mind.

I'm not saying you have, I'm not saying you're going to be successful, but like in your mind, it's just like, there's just so many options. For women and men, by the way, I'm not saying this is just a man thing. But, you know, you just, every time you go on the absence, all these people, and you just think like, oh, is this, is there something better? You know, that's like, almost like a negative mindset. Because that concept of there's always something better actually can like fuck with your mind. You know, the FOMO aspect. You know, all that stuff I think is hard to deal with in human psyche. So I don't know where the happy medium is, but I really appreciate the sentiment.

But I also think that, you know, had you been at that time, I wonder how you would feel about the emergence of the apps. You know, like, I can actually remember the first time I had Tinder. I was in Australia. And my touring manager at the time in Australia was like, oh, yeah, there's this app called Tinder. Now you just go on Tinder lock and just swap. Just swap. And I was, like, fascinated by it. So I go on Tinder, fucking Melbourne.

And I had my first Tinder date in Australia. But, like, I don't know. I was still of the mind that, like, I was like, this is fucking, you know, dating website. Cringe, you know? I didn't realize it was the beginning of just, like, that we would never go back to the way that it was, you know? Fucking swiping.

fucking swiping becomes a lot. And so much so that I think Bumble is getting rid of the swipe. It's almost like swipe shaming now. It's just like we're swipe fatigued. So anyway, I appreciate the sentiment. I don't have a couple thing. I don't even know why I'm trying to figure it out. I just think it's an interesting thing to think about in relation to the topic.

Let's take another, Nicole. things that make one wish that they were from a different generation the first thing that comes to my mind is like the art of catching a man cheating on you like when you know it in your stomach like today you know we have like like cheaterbuster like the dms the location like the whatever like secret towns like it's so much but like i feel like back before social media like I'm aging myself as Gen C, but like, like, before all this, it was like, he had to memorize his schedule, calling the house phone, and, like, maybe catching the voicemail or something. Or, like, I hear a story of, like, somebody who, like, hacked into her, like, ex's voicemail.

And, like, that's how she thought in cheating, like, in the 90s. Or, like, I don't know, I just feel like, back then, like, catching, you know. Catching your man He's doing some shady stuff With like an art form Like now I just feel like it's handed to us on a silver platter Like a little man and 5,700 other Idiot

Oh, I gave him a bitch's Instagram picture Yeah I was born too late There's just so many conflicting emotions Going on here with this woman It's fucking hilarious You know Uh

Well, you know, first of all, it was harder for guys to cheat. You know, there's so much going on in this. It's so fucking funny because there's almost like, there's almost this inherent desire for her to be with a guy that cheats so she can fucking catch his ass because there seems to be this incredible joy in finding somebody cheating, you know? Or also inherent in this is this thing of like that a man's job in a relationship is to cheat but not get caught.

And a woman's job is to catch this motherfucker. What are your thoughts on this, Nicole? I love this. I mean, it's so crazy now how much we can use to find out that someone's cheating. It really isn't fun. It's so fast. One of my friends found out this guy was cheating on LinkedIn somehow. So, like, it really, the description of, like, hacking into the voicemail and, like, using

these other methods, it does sound much more salacious versus now you could find out in seconds. I don't know why people cheat because it's so easy to find out. So here's the question. Are people cheating less, I wonder, because there's a lot less serial killers, you know, because it's just so easy to get caught. But I don't think that's, people always think like, oh, people don't serial kill anymore because it's easy to get caught. No, the fucking guys get caught early. The same guys. There's just a lot of guys in jail that would have been serial killers, in my opinion. I could be wrong about that. So, are guys

cheating less because it's just so hard you know so easy to get caught it's probably like the same instinct as a serial killer in which you can't be stopped like you you still need to do it regardless of the fact and sometimes maybe you do

want to get caught you know oh psychology there at least for like the serial killers where they like want the credit for what they've done maybe it's the same with the cheater But I think it's, I think it's easier to cheat, I think.

Well, I, or certain. Or what do you mean? No, no, then before. Then before not to kill somebody. I was like, wait. No, no. I think, I think maybe, maybe is there more temptation to cheat? You know, like back in the day, like there was only the temptation of the people in your world.

You know what I mean? Whereas now the temptation to cheat is like literally every, human that's on social media in a way. I'm not saying, you know, like, so in the sense that, like, say you're a good-looking man or a good-looking woman, but obviously the focus here is on the men, uh, you know, you're going to get these, like, these people that are like sliding in your dams and shit. So it's just like you have more, like, chance to cheat and then an infinitely greater chance of getting caught because there's just evidence everywhere. So I wonder what the the numbers are on, are people cheating more or are people cheating less?

You know? And also, don't forget that, like, because everyone's talking about cheating and everyone's like on these TikToks, like, hey, if you're getting married to Bob from Manchester, he was in, you know, he was on his flight talking about some bitch he fucked in, you know, Lanzerati. You know, like, I, like, there's just a lot of, like, online discourse. Like, cheating is almost, like, catching guys. cheating has become this kind of like social media entertainment to the point where like I really feel like a lot of these stories are just made up you know I was just wondering this I saw one

yesterday and I was like I wonder if this is made up or if this really happened and if I was in this position would I do this would I have the confidence to make this video yeah I would think I would think no because it's not like it's kind of like none of your business especially when like you'd want to be pretty fucking confident you haven't misconstrued this conversation. You know what I mean? So, but who knows? I don't know what people think. I mean, I tend to watch them and immediately go into the comments.

If they've discovered who Bob is. But, yeah, I mean, so I, honestly, for me, this really, this message was just so fucking entertaining, you know? But I, but I also just like, in fact, by the focus on catching the cheating. Like as if it's, there's almost like this sense of like, it's a guarantee that he's cheating. It's just his job to not get caught.

And it's my job to make sure that this motherfucker gets caught, you know, which is interesting. Page and Hannah talk a lot about that on the podcast about the sort of the different acceptable amounts of like lurking in your partners, social media and stuff. It's really a very interesting conversation.

Actually, I'm curious, Nicole, what is your feeling on when, you know, like your partner follows like hot women on social media or likeing a photo? There's a lot of, there's a whole new sort of, there's a whole new handbook of acceptable behavior within a relationship. To me, like, part of me is like, I don't want to know about it. And the other part is I'm like kind of embarrassed for you if I see you've liked to. picture of a girl with big boobs that's like such thirsty behavior. Like it's crazy that you can see, especially now, like it has those little floating, like you can see who's liked it. It's like advertising to you, who's liked it. And I'm like, well, this is embarrassing if I see, like, whether it's my boyfriend or one of my friends has liked this photo, I'm like,

get it together. Like, to me, it's kind of embarrassing. Yes. Yes. Yes. One of the great maturities of my life is that what's the page where you go, was it the, what's the page on Instagram that shows like all the stuff that's suggested to you. What's the word for that? Like your explore page? Explore page. You know, uh, even though I've never been big on like following all the hot birds and all that stuff. Like the, my explore page used to just be like hot women. And these days, it's like pit bulls, tennis clips, comedians complaining about other comedians. Right. There's like, no.

Hot Girls except for Sierra, you know, because I was following all the drama with Sierra. So, like, there'll be some clip about Sierra and then a fucking Staffordshire Bull Terrier. And like a cat and a Labrador living perfectly happy together. So I have, I have, my explore page has really shifted to a married, a married old man's explore page. So anyway, very, that's a great, that's a full episode. Maybe we need to do an episode on like, let's create the modern handbook for what's acceptable and unacceptable in a relationship for the man, for the woman, or in same-sex

relationships for either partner, you know? And what's the gray area? What's, what's clear as day, black and white? and what's the gray area. Be a good discussion. And I feel like that's the, like when it comes to whether or not there's more cheating, there are more layers now to what is considered cheating for different people involving all that stuff.

So like I know some people like, you know, like emotional cheating versus physical cheating. Emotional affair. Yeah, like there's so many different things and rules now that probably didn't exist before. Not that I'm advocating for cheating, but it's a lot more. The emotional affair thing is so fucking funny. Now everyone talks about that like it's a fucking, like a fucking, fact of life. They were having an emotional affair. It's like, okay. And what even is that? Like, telling someone your feelings? Like, yeah, or like, you know, you should start to, I guess,

I mean, flirting. Yeah, I guess it's a little bit of flirt. I, I don't know. It's a fascinating world. That's why I want to get to the bottom of the handbook. So if you have any thoughts on that, call us 9175121758 or what's that plus 1646, 4237020. You know, I should have tried to fund the number that actually spells out something, but then I feel like, do Genzies even know about the numbers on the fucking, do they even still exist? I have to look at my phone. Oh, they do. Okay. I wasn't even, I was like, so the letters even exist there. Actually, let's find out what, five. So it would be, oh, God, there's three letters of number. I'm not fucking working that. Did you used to also play songs on your, with the numbers? I mean, I think, I think once or twice,

I got the instructions of a song, but I never tried to figure it out myself. You know, Mary had a... I felt a new happy birthday or like hot cross buns or something. Really? Yeah. I think maybe I knew Mary had a little lamb. Which I can still play on the piano. I can play Mary had a little lamb and tequila on the piano.

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People don't talk to each other. I actually prefer going to bars where the crowd is older because I feel like people are more willing to talk to strangers. And so, like, I am like a recently single dialer just got out of a really four-year-long relationship. And so I'm, like, ready to go out there on the town. and tell me why me and my four hot brunette friends yesterday, just the most beautiful brunettes you've ever seen in your life, out at the bar, running around the city in little and no clothing. Not a single person approached us.

Not a single person bad an eye. But that's fine. Like, I'm okay with approaching people. Yesterday I went up to two different people and said something. One of this, this was like an older guy, left me on hurt, looked at me, just walked away when I said something to him. another girl just I said something and her walked away just just like I like so sorry maybe back to the prompt this is just turning into a random rant back for the prompts um I feel like my generation

doesn't know how to converse and they don't know how to act at the club and it just makes me so jealous of people who like can meet someone out at the bar and like talking and like it's a fun night like I just feel like my generation has kind of lost that so yeah thanks bye I mean there's a lot going on here within this, obviously the club or just the need to go to like an establishment for so many of the things that you want to do is unfortunately a lost thing for a lot of people. And I don't just think it's because people don't go to clubs. I also just think like clubs change too. But I also don't know because I don't go to them anymore.

And we did talk about this before, but like good clubs were awesome, you know? But the thing is that the club used to be. more about the dancing, you know? And then the meeting people, not all, but a lot of clubs were more about the dancing. And then the meeting people was a bonus. You know, obviously there was like pickup, you know, what are they called singles bars in the States or, you know, like cattle marts they used to call like, like there's a famous club in Ireland called Copperface Jackson. I guess you could call that like a cattle mart. You know, there's just a sense of just like everyone's just going there to hook up. But anyway, by the way, Topface Jacks is fucking great fun. I'm not speaking ill. of Copperface Jacks. It still exists, by the way. It's like the final, a remnant of another time where people are actually fucking having fun, okay? Whatever happened to fun, Mickey Rourke says,

and the wrestler, whatever happened to having a good time, you know? But I will say yes, that that is unfortunately lost. And technology kind of took that from us. But on the flip side, it also wasn't as much fun as people think. And in fairness, the experience that should she's talking about is basically experience of all men for a lot of time. Just trying to talk to a woman and her ignoring you. And ladies,

trust me, I'm not trying to say that men weren't fucking annoying. I'm not trying to diminish how fucking annoying it was for some pesty dude to be just like bugging you and you're just trying to hang out with your friends. But on this at the same time, everyone talks about a time. It's like, oh,

it was great when you know, people would like meet each other in public. But like, it was really hard to have the confidence to talk to somebody. And the common experience for a man, was the experience that you had where some guy left you unheard. Even the way that you expressed that, you expressed it with the language of the internet.

You expressed it with the language of modern technology. He left you unheard, like he left you unheard. He left me unheard. I don't know if anyone caught that, the concept of, he left me unheard. That's actually good language for like a marriage. You know, it's like instead of he never listens. He constantly leaves me unheard.

heard. The language evolves so quickly these days. But I 100% agree with your sentiment. The concept of your middle part of being out and people not really like communicating, that's like a deeper thing, of which I don't actually know. I know you had that experience. And I'm very sure that there's that's a common experience now but i don't know one what's driving that and two how common it is or are there certain clubs where the atmosphere is a bit better for you know people trying to meet like in real life um there's many layers to that of course like you could go on some like some red pill thing and it'll be like well we can't talk to women because they'll just accuse us of of being a harasser you know uh but and which by the way i don't subscribe to that

at all. But what I will say, though, is that I think there's probably a sense amongst people that it's inappropriate, you know, like not in a bad way. I'm not saying that like, it's a bad thing that people think that. But I just think that like people are probably less inclined to think it's okay to like, quote unquote, bother somebody, you know? Because I had a joke in my last special, which I understand that the phrasing is. is a little abrupt or a little gruff. But my joke was that I know the average Gen C thinks it's creepy, but we literally had to go up to strangers and be like,

hey, can I get your phone number? But that's the way it was. And then I said, if you didn't have balls, you didn't get pussy. Now, I 100% understand that that is coarse language. But it's in the confines of a life performance, and it's deliberately coarse, you know, to just a kind of explain. that it was a different time.

And there are aspects of that different time, which right now we're getting through rose-tinted glasses of, wasn't it great when people talked? But at the same time, you had a lot of fucking dudes coming up and bugging you. And they felt like they had to.

And you felt like you had to tolerate it because it was the only way, you know? So you take, again, everything about this episode is you take the good with the bad. And I think that there are efforts out there. to create more like social atmospheres that feel a bit more like that.

And I think that's a healthy thing. But it's hard when it's so contrived because then it basically just becomes like a little niche thing. It doesn't become like, because you can't, here's the thing. You can't fight with the power of social media. And you can't fight with the power of this much connectivity. Like, it's a losing battle, you know. And I understand for all the negatives, we focus a lot on the negatives. and I am very open to focusing on those negatives.

But there are clearly positives to this much connectivity. I don't know if they're worth the negatives, but there are clearly positives. And I would say that there are a lot of people that are together that would have never met without that connectivity. And there are certainly a lot of people, particularly let's say, I don't know if marginalized groups is the right word, but certainly like people that struggle socially

or have particularly niche things that like maybe were considered, you know, like when you're in a more traditional sort of social group and you're quirky, you are probably within that social group made to feel a little odd. And people like that were able to find each other on the internet and they feel so much more connected. So for every sort of negative we feel about the good old days, you know, the good old days, you know, the good old days, A lot of clicks, you know, a lot of difficulty in sort of fitting into social groups. So, you know, you take the good with the bad with all these things. So let's take another, Nicole. Hi, my name is Stephanie. One thing that makes me wish I was from a different generation would be how often I get to see my loved one's handwriting.

Like, I visited my mom this past weekend. We live far apart. and just seeing her to-do list on her counter took me right back to being a kid. And, like, I would recognize her handwriting anywhere, you know? And I just think it's so cool that everyone has their own style, but we just, we don't get to see it anymore. Like, in 1999, I was 12. And, I mean, do you remember, like, getting notes in gel pen and, like, that feeling you would get if you, like, saw a note, like, an actual paper note? it would have like your best friend's handwriting or like your crush's handwriting.

I just, do kids these days even experience any of this? Do they? Anyway, that's what I miss. Yeah, actually don't know the answer to that question. So I think they still, I think kids are still writing in school, right? Nicole, do you know that? I think they have to be, right? I know a lot of schools they give them like the Chromebook now or they have some type of like

laptop tablet equivalent? So I saw a study recently that the minute you introduce, every time we've introduced technology into the classroom, apparently kids have performed worse. And apparently every school that introduced a tablet, their production has diminished. Their results have diminished. But that is.

just something I read. I don't, so if people want to explore that a bit more, I'd be open to correction. But I mean, just in the essence of what she's talking about, yes, I didn't have good handwriting, though. That's the only problem. I got criticized all the time. In adulthood, my non-cursive handwriting is actually quite neat. When I'm in the mood, when I'm in a rush, no. But when I'm in the mood, you know, if you look at my like, comment, notebooks, I'd say 75% of the time it's actually quite neat. But my cursive still to this day is not great. I didn't, I got a lot of bad notes home about my handwriting. It's actually fascinating how much focus there was on handwriting in my early education. But yes, I do miss the,

I do miss the individuality of the handwriting. And I still, I am 100% of the opinion that you get more creativity when you write with my hand. I have never written as many good jokes as when I'm like on my computer or on my phone. My notes on my phone is very handy for ideas, but the bits, they come out better with my hand, in my opinion. Now, maybe that's just generational. and I don't stand by that for obviously, like, I would never try to write even a short story in handwriting. You know, I would, anything that has to do with like a script or, you know, any sort of long form writing that I had to do, I would immediately be typing it. So I'm aware that there may be an immediate contradiction to what I'm saying. But when it comes to jokes, I still have to write.

And honestly, I find a lot of comments. like this. But Hannah, I feel, Hannah, on the other hand, more inclined immediately to go to the computer, if I, if I recall. But I don't know what other people think. Do you have to be, do you have to come up with ideas and all? Are you inclined to go computer? Yeah, it really depends on the situation on whether or not I'm like writing on my computer or writing it down. I feel like, even if I'm like taking a call with somebody I like to be writing stuff down, I just prefer to do that than writing it at my computer and I feel like I can stay more engaged with someone if I'm like talking to them and writing stuff down. But I don't know. I know that's not the same as like

generating ideas. Did you ever do the artist's way? No. Are you like familiar with this? Not vaguely. I've heard people talk about it, but I'm very unfamiliar. Because I haven't done it, but I have some friends that are doing it currently. And part of what you have to do is like your morning pages where you just dump down a bunch of stuff and you write it down. randomly, thoughtlessly, like, you don't judge, just, like, get it out? Is that what? I think so, yeah. I mean, that's a good exercise.

I would immediately be open to that. Because so much, I find so much of creativity is, like, like, just starting, you know? Like, when I think of some of my better ideas, like, I literally never imagined in my life they would exist until they did. But more often than not, I've not put shit down, anything down. because I'm just like, oh, I'm not thinking of anything. So just the sort of exercise of like just fucking chucking down whatever. Because like so many whatever's become something. But it can be very easy to get into just like thinking there are no whatever's.

You know, so I must get the artist's way. Yeah, I'm sold. But yeah, handwriting, nostalgic, without a doubt. I still, I think I've said it before, but I love a fresh notebook and then like, like a black. It's hard to find sometimes there's like a certain type of black pen that it's not too thick, but it's just thick enough that you're like, ooh, this is really gliding. Nice. You know?

Because a thin, you know, like a fine pen, it's very unsatisfying. What's the point of a fine? Why are there so many fine pens? Like, fine is, what? Message me. 9175, 1, 2,17, 5, 8 plus 1, 6, 4, 2, 3, 7 020. Message me on, why is fine, why does fine seem to be so common? Like, thicker black is the way to go. Do you have a preference for a fine point pendicle?

No, definitely not. very specific pen that I like, and I can't remember the name, but I'll let you know. I love so. Anyway, obviously we love, you know what great thing about adulthood is you can just use one side of the fucking book. You don't have to fucking, you don't have to write on the back page. The clearly less satisfying page. Everybody knows.

Like, here's the thing. The right hand side of the notebook, fresh page is a powder day. Nobody's fucking skeed on that thing. The other side is a fucking groomed piece at 4 p.m. The sun is going down. All right? If you don't get the ski analogy, I'm sorry. Skiing ruin my life.

But before that, it brought me great joy. Now, I have to tell you, that most of the time I still write on the other side because I'm riddled with shame from a childhood of the 1980s. But sometimes I just indulge myself in not, particularly if I have a legal pad. If I have a legal pad where I'm flipping over the back, I don't give a fuck about the back page. But still when I have a notebook, I still kind of go for the back page, which I don't need to. But there's nothing better than a good pen on a fresh, on a fresh page and a new pad. A new pad is just such a, there's so much hope in a new pad. And I am very near,

which is very rare for me to be, I'm so much more organized in my life these days. I'm very near the end of a comedy notebook, which when I finish it, it will be. like three years of ideas. So it was like, it was basically my full last show and the full this show that I've just, just finished. So like two full shows of development. Like I go back in the book and actually, and the beginnings of whatever my next show is going to be is all in this notebook and I'm near the end. It's very rare that I finish a notebook. So the next time I get a fresh stand-up comedy joke book, that will be the first time that, that I actually fully needed it.

More often than not, it's like, oh, fuck, I forgot my notepad. I got to buy another. And I got a lot of notepads with 10 pages of notes in them and then nothing. But this one, this is a fucking, this one's going all the way to the end. So anyway, you guys probably, I don't know if anybody else has this much passion about pens. But I also want to point out, this is not a trauma. This is not a PTSD. but I borrowed the four-color pens, the Bick, blue and white, four-color, red, black, blue, and green.

I borrowed them, but I never, my mother never purchased me one. I was never that kid. To me, those kids were kind of, like, spoiled, the four-color pen people, even though there's no need for the green. The green is just sitting there like a fucking patriotic Irish person saying, what about me, no? Come on. Come on, lads.

What about us? So, you know, there's the black, blue, and red. Green was in indulgence, can we admit? Right? It's nice for doodle. It's nice for doodle, and it's nice for people that are very organized with their outlining. Were you taught how to outline? Were you given a distinct outline?

No, definitely not. So you weren't given, like, Roman numeral letter, capital A, small A? I don't know Roman numerals at all. Indented. You don't know Roman? Oh, my God. What the fuck has happened? with the youth.

It might just be me, though. I'm really bad with numbers and stuff like that, so right in. Let's talk about that. How fucking unnecessary was learning Roman numerals and how unnecessary is that we're keeping them alive? Why the fuck are we keeping these things alive? They are totally unnecessary. I think I know up to five, but like every Super Bowl, I'm like, I don't know what that is.

I have no, it could be a thousand. I have no idea. X is 10. You know X is 10, right? Yes. Totally. Anyway, we learned them. So, but that was pretty unnecessary in fairness. So what else were we talking about there? I got lost.

I got so deep in my own thoughts there that I've forgotten myself. Your passion for notebooks. Oh, that, yeah. And multicolored pens. Yeah, we can, we can. Oh, outlining. That's what it was. Oh.

Yeah. I still outlined. the way I was taught as a child. And I still, I don't write jokes that way, but I structure my stand-up show like that. So I'll have, yeah, I don't use the more, I let go of the Roman numerals though, but I actually, I start with capital letter A.

So capital letter A and then small A and then small one for the, under the, you know, so like the subsections of importance. So it'll be like main bit will be, let's say, you know, dating before cell phones. And then it'll be like having to get confidence to talk to somebody, you know, slow sets, you know, the slow dance. And then if they, and then sometimes, sometimes I don't, but sometimes it'll be like asking a

girl, the smaller one within that will be asking a girl to dance when the slow set ends. When do you go to kiss them? Is that acceptable? You know what I mean? So, but all they go, you go increasingly in, right? Because the idea would be that the final points are. are only meant to be just like quick things that you think about. That's the way I was taught.

It never leaves you. You know, these things, I don't know what they're teaching these kids nowadays, but I don't think a modern kid knows how to outline. Yeah, I don't think we got that. Like,

the only reason I even know about that is from being in like a Google doc and using like bullets or something and automatically does that for you with the letters and numbers. Yeah. And I'm like, this seems kind of random, the order they're choosing to do this, but it's opposite of random.

It's fucking prescribes. It's organized. Yeah. It's from our, it goes, it comes from the Celts. It comes from the druids. It's innate and we've, we've lost our connection. No, because you don't, you don't do that. Like Microsoft Word or Google Docs, like you don't do that.

But, you know, they do, they do, the points if you want to do the points. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You don't need it anymore, guys. But I'm just saying that I learned it and it stayed with me. Stayed with me for life. So let's take a couple. more. They've got to have to do two weeks of this topic. Guys, we love Rula. We're a Rula pod.

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she posted a picture on Snapchat of like somewhere in the funeral. And then at one point, another picture of her posting a selfie of her, like, smiling in the photo. And then the caption said, funeral vibes with one pure eye emoji. And that makes me wish I was part of a different generation because, I don't know,

just enrage me, like your mother just died and you want, and you're just making. talking about funeral vibes like what the fuck it makes me kind of scared one day years from now when i'm dead my future or children or grandchildren they'll post something like that so yeah bad news but when you die you're getting live streamed it's really as simple as that it's already happening so actually i'm mixed on this because you want to know the truth i actually did some stories from my mom's funeral and i i have a whole no i have a whole section in funeral vibes Well, I didn't do funeral vibes.

It's very funny, honestly. This was my favorite message because it's about death. You don't know this yet, Nicole. But death is a running theme in the pod. But anyway, so I have a whole section in me a mama about social media and funerals because... So here's my take. And by the way, I agree with you. On one level, I agree with you.

But here's my take. We have this weird thing around death and people. particularly in Western culture. And while grieving and all these things, there's a certain aspect of it that's kind of sacred, but it's also just like much more a part of life than we make out. So I would counter-argue, and I don't disagree with how you felt about seeing that.

I would counter-argue, why is this different to everything else? All aspects of life are captured. Why are we trying to pretend like the end of life is something that should be more private. In that, like, we have clearly delineated between what's modern private and what isn't. And modern private is very different to privacy in the past, right? Because so much is public.

So even within things that we make public, there's still aspects of what we're making public that we don't share, you know? So, for example, like a relationship, right? All these influences, and they're posting their relationship, right? But they're not posting the fucking argument they had, you know, over nothing. You know, they're keeping that private, right? So I feel like in a way, it's the same thing with death, because death is part of life. Why are we trying to stop this one thing from being shown?

Because at the end of the day, we're all just dealing with it. And we're sharing everything we're dealing with. And so this is another thing that we deal with. So on one level, I agree with you. But on another level, I say, the fact that we think it's different is part of the sort of Western conditioning around death,

which is caused by, we have so much fucking fear around even though it's just part of life. So I'm a bit Buddhist in that way, even though I don't think the Buddhists are encouraging posting it, but I also think that it is part of life. So, now, Nicole, you can counter-argument, counter-argue.

Because funeral vibes does feel a bit dismissive. I appreciate that. Yeah, the funeral vibes. I've definitely seen people post their funeral glam. Like, if they think they're wearing like a cute dress or like their makeup or hair looks good, they do like post a lot of selfies. And to me, I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, that's fine.

But I have like, this is like less of a concern to me than some of the other. I have like a lot of little social media and death things that bother me. One being when your friend or someone you. know family member, whatever, dies and you post about them and you tag them? Have you noticed people do this? Right. Like, what is the point of tagging them? The dead person? The dead person. You're tagging the dead person's Instagram. So then me, as the viewer, I now have to go snoop on your friend. And it's not my fault, but I do want to go see what's up with that. So that's something that I think is a little bit weird. And also, posting a story about someone who's died in the sense of, like,

rip so and so and it's gone in 24 hours right I feel like that's like a little bizarre especially like when people jump onto like the first one that really stood out to me was when Kobe died I feel like every single person even people who like don't care about basketball never knew anything about Kobe were posting like rip to the goat rip to a legend and like would post a story of him and it would be gone in 24 hours

and I was like that's like somebody's family member like something about that is so weird to me yes there's a lot. Looks like we have to have another episode about what's appropriate and inappropriate about modern death. Cheating handbook and death and social media handbook. Getting fucking deep, bro. You know, when Hannah disappears, shit gets mad deep, mad quick.

Hannah would rein me in. She would stop me getting weird about death. But anyway, I think this is a good conversation. Hit us up. 911, 5, 1,2,17. 5-8. What's that? Plus 1, 646, 4, 2, 3, 70, 20. You're gonna, Nicole, you're gonna have to stop laughing every time I hit the number. I love it. I feel like you're really entering your, like, radio DJ era.

I know, because it was meant to happen now. This was literally my life plan. My life plan was tour and hustle like a fucking lunatic until, until I couldn't walk anymore. And then get a radio gig. And then radio died. You know? RIP radio. Vibes commercial radio. But no, I did. I have a section. I have a section in my, in Myanmar. And then my final joke is basically like modern funerals.

It would be like FaceTime and like everybody will be there like, you know, like crying emoji. And they get that she literally made that joke. So it's coming, you know. If every, if all aspects of life are, you know, being social and mediified, then death is coming, man. You think like when all these Gen Zs, when all these, winter is coming, when all these Gen Zs, they all, when they start dying, their friends are dying, you know, like they're going to be doing what they've done all their life or whatever we do then. To be honest, the Gen Zs are going to die and the old Gen Zs are going to be like posting stuff.

And then their kids are going to be like, oh, my God, cringe. They're still posting social media. You know, like, God knows. Millennial pause. Yeah. Like, God knows what we'll be doing by then. But a fucking great message, like an absolutely great message. Let's get a couple more.

But I think we might have to go two weeks on this bad boy. Hey, Dad's. Something that makes me wish I was from another generation is roller skates and just the act of going roller skating and roller skating facilities. Because, you know, like on a Friday night, we're going to the bar. We're getting drunk. You know, it's a little sloppy. What if we were all roller skate dancing to like 80's music? It'd be so fun.

Anyway, that's what I think. Love you guys. Bye. I mean, I literally have chills in my body because you said roller skating to 80s music. And I literally, I was transported for 10 seconds. Like, I'm not kidding. I have chills. You can't see them.

But I was transported to Lace's roller skating rink in New Hyde Park. and roller skating to like all night long, you know? And it was a pure joy. But I think there's still roller skating rinks, though. I think that what you're confusing there is that you're not a child. But don't get me wrong. I don't think it's as popular as it was. And I think she has like a nostalgia for like those types of skisks.

skates, you know, which I can promise you when you actually rented them. I have no nostalgia for those types of states. And then I got into roller hockey when I was a little older. And like, those skates were fucking awesome. The skates you rented at a roller skating went, sucked. And they were disgusting. But I loved going to laces and the party room. It was like, the bishop party to the party room.

And then you'd have frozen pizza with all your friends. and you know you would like Of course boys are fucking idiots And you would skate really fast And you know You would like Like you get onto the carpet So you'd be like skating on the rink

But then you'd be on the carpet And the fucking the pace Would you'd fucking fall over God it was so fun Laces man Bring me back If anybody wants to see Laces Look up on YouTube

The video for Delosol Saturday Because Delosol are from Long Island If you don't know the song It's Saturday Saturday Saturday Saturday, just a Saturday. Look up that video, and they are skating in laces. And the tail end of Laces' existence, actually.

Don't know what is there now, New Hyde Park, I believe, Hillside Avenue. But so many good memories. Any Long Island people, Queens people out there, hit me up. If you remember Laces. God, it was so good. And it was like, couple skate. Couple skate. Two or three slow songs.

And you just fucking, I remember, I, I, I, I, this, I remember. remember this random girl. I remember her name? I'm like fucking I'm because we went there still 12, 13. We were still going to laces. So like in the era where you're already like trying to like make out with girls. There was some random girl in laces. I was like, hey, you want a couple skate? Like, and then we just like skated two times. I like kissed her goodbye and I got her phone number. We met up one more time in Bound Park. I like hung out. Like that was fucking laces, man. So it was was fucking, it was fucking. I could still. I still. see. I have no idea who this girl is. You know, like, you could tell me her name right now. I wouldn't know her name. She had dark hair, you know, random girls. She lived near me, even though she was in laces, which was not that near me. And that memory exists, but that, you know, those people are gone. And that's what life is. It's full of memories. That's why this episode is so wonderful. But anyway, it was fucking awesome. But I still think people are going to roller rinks. What I probably think, though, is that kids are not going to roll the rings and being left there for two hours by their parents.

Like we were. But, I mean, there was always like one parent. But there was like a party of like fucking 20 kids. And there'd be just like one parent, you know? And all of us would just be like fucking going insane. But I think I shared it once before. But Laces always showed one video. You know, one music video.

and it tended to be Lionel Richie's all night long. And it was so fucking fun. But then there was, I was like a decent skater. But there was always some fucking kids that were like amazing. And then there was always some weirdo that was like amazing. And you'd be like, what? And it was an adult. You know, those people in Central Park, they think they still go there.

The Central Park, like skater people. It was always one or two. them, you know, and they were like on one leg going down and, you know, like spinning around. You know, and then there was a couple of speed guys, you know, fucking speed idiots, and then they were getting trouble. Anyway, happy memories, man. So I agree with you to a degree. I agree with you on the aesthetic, but I think they still exist.

But I could be wrong. Because, you know, I don't have kids. So, RIP, laces and RIP. The Innocence of Youth. Let's take one more to wrap it up. This is Ed. Oh, it's a guy. My wife and I love the show.

She gets full credit. She picks the podcast. I listened to them. And when I saw this message, I had to call in and just give you one word. Pickleball. Pickleball is the word. Pickle ball. I have a saying.

Play tennis, not pickleball. It's actually a metaphor for life. in life to be successful or happy, you have to take the hard path, not the easy path. And pickleball to me, I see these pickleballers. And yeah, it makes me worried. I get asked a lot to play pickleball, and I will not play pickleball, but they look happy.

I wonder how they can be happy. And I just worry. I worry for my kids. I worry for my nieces and nephews. And, you know, maybe they are happy playing pickleball. But I do wish sometimes that maybe I was back in a simpler time back when there was just tennis. There was no pickleball. Anyway, we could talk much more about pickleball, but that's for another time.

love the show and keep doing what you're doing. You know, I like the metaphor. I wish Hannah was here because Hannah would like the metaphor. You know, there's more depth to this than I think people think. And obviously he's trying to be funny. The guy's always trying to be funny. You know that, right? This is a running theme on the pot.

When we got a guy that's trying to be funny. But in this case, I'll allow it because this is deep. And it brings up a sort of modern conundrum. Because he expressed it. look happy, right? And you go, yeah, they're happy, right? Because they're playing this basic game and it's fun, right? And they don't have to deal with getting good at more difficult racket games. But inherent in his thing is you should not be content with happiness for such a basic thing. And it's fucking deep, man. It's so.

silly, but deep at the same time. And I am going to play that for Hannah personally. Because you wonder sometimes about, you know what, I think this guy doesn't realize how much he's going to make us all think. Because here's the thing. So much of what people are expressing to a degree is how much we've lost by life becoming easier, the simplicity of so much of what used to be more difficult than life. And that's why I feel like he's really hit deep.

on the pickleball analogy because it's so much easier to experience the exultation of things that used to require so much more effort to feel. This is a very strong parting thought on the depth of what's going on. What do you think, Nicole? Did you get the same level of inspiration? I can't say that I did. I mean, I'm really inspired now. but yeah he was killing me with just like well it was hilarious

the genuine worry and concern for these people like and worried for future generations over picklewall is so hilarious yes well it's fun because it's a thing you know it's a bit of a sort of a trope you know the sort of pickleball lovers the pickleball haters but uh i i would finish on that except that there is one thing that i want to play which is just personal for me but can you play the pearl jam one please So I was born in 1995, so I'm just barely a millennial. And honestly, when I saw this question, I struggled to come up with an answer because I kind of love the generation I was born in.

But then I remembered the day a few years ago that I discovered the 1992 MTV unplugged with Pearl Jam on YouTube and how deeply in love I fell with a young Eddie Vedder. I couldn't go to sleep without watching those videos for a solid three-month street. I was so obsessed. And I remember just thinking, like, damn, I really wish I had been porn in, like, 1970s. So I could have been a Pearl Jam groupie during this time in the early 90s when Eddie Vedder was this hot with his long hair and amazing voice. And honestly, it makes me irrationally sad and angry that I will never get to experience. Eddie Better has a hot young thing instead of like the old dad he is now because I was in 95. So anyways, there you go.

Well, the cool thing about Eddie Vedder is like he's still kind of killing it. You know, he's like he's persisted throughout his life of just like reinventing himself. And, you know, they took on ticket. Like, Pro Jam, I think people really appreciate them. But I don't think they get it. credit for how amazing they were because there was an element of them being in the shadow of nirvana and then nirvana obviously you know they have this like tragic figure of kirk cobain and like it was a terrible tragedy i can literally remember exactly where i was when i found out kirkobain

died but like which was actually in kilkenny college at the national youth parliament and uh in 1994 the easter vacation of 1994 uh but uh the it was just like i this is the this is the I think some people of that era are going to get mad at me, but I always prefer it Pearl Jam. Like, I, I fucking loved Pearl Jam from the get-go. I love Nirvana too, but Eddie Vedder's voice hit me deeper, you know? And, like, I don't like listening to these dumb, classic radio, but sometimes, like, I just end up on, like, a classic radio station.

Or, like, I'll go on to, like, a Spotify thing. And then, like, a live will come on, you know? and it's just like I can't not fucking roar in my car and he's such a fucking deep voice I'm su lula and I just

every bit of my adolescence the pain the happiness it all just fucking rises up out of honestly sometimes I cry I literally if I'm on my own and I'm allowed to cry and I'm not shamed by the fucking giggly squad

cry shamers um I'm on my own I fucking cry, but it's not like tears of pain or anything. It's just like tears of everything. Just like an abundance of emotion to just be brought back to that time. Because Eddie Vedder's voice and the band in general is just so fucking amazing. I've seen them live twice.

The second time I had a very embarrassing situation. I won't give away too much information, but I was in Prague in the early part of my comedy career. And I went to a, I went to in a sort of a, non-music or comedy-related event where I happened upon two men who I was talking to and they told me they were they were like touring.

So I don't know why, but I just assumed that maybe they were like Pearl Jam's like support staff or something. So I was like, oh, you guys were touring Pearl Jam? And they were like, yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, I wanted to go, but it was sold out. Because I happened, I didn't know. I wasn't there for Pearl Jam.

I was just there for something else. But Pearl Jam were playing in Prague. So I was like, oh, I wanted to go, but the tickets are sold out. And they were like, I will put you on the list. So I rock up to the hockey stadium in Prague, Czech Republic. And it's like full VIP, everything, right? So I'm going to admit this now. I found like there was all these people hanging outside.

And there was a super hot Czech girl. And I was like, oh, do you have tickets? She was like, no, I was hoping to get a ticket. I was like, oh, come in with me, which is kind of actually, it's relevant to this episode, right? Because I was like, fuck it. I just, I literally hit on some random check girl. And me and her, this random girl who, again, I do not know her name, rock up to the VIP. I'm in a fucking corporate box in the Prague Stadium.

And free food, free boost, free everything. And I'm already sober. This girl can't believe it. She's like, well, how'd you get these? I fucking met these two dudes. So then one of the two dudes is in the box. I'm like, dude, who are you? He's like, I'm the Pro James Tour Manager.

And I was like, who is the other guy? And he was like, it's the guitarist. I was such a fan. But all you do is focus on any better. I didn't know what fucking McGreevy looked like. I didn't know what the fucking lead guitarist looked like. I fucking was talking to him. And it's so embarrassing because I was such a fan.

And I was literally talking to him. And I didn't realize. And he gave me two fucking tickets. And I had the time of my life, went to the after party. They never came to the after party. And I walked this girl home, like a 45-minute walk from the stadium to her house. Said goodbye. We never kissed.

But she was very nice. And I walked her home, said goodbye. Nothing awkward. And that was my Prague, Prague. Jam experience. And by the way, also very much like what one of the earlier dialers said about the way it used to be, you know? And like, but here's the thing though, right? Just to go back to the beginning of like the way it used to be and it was better. That girl was taking a major fucking risk. And that's the thing that like, and I don't think the risk is disappeared. I don't think social

media has taken away the risk. But like, there's so much weird shit that goes on with people like, oh, you just want to talk to fucking, you used to have to talk to strangers. Like, this girl came with me and she made a good choice. I was like a safe person. We had this great experience and like somewhere in Eastern Europe, this woman might tell somebody the story of like, yo, some random dude fucking, or maybe one day, one of my clips pops up on her social media. And she's like, I swear to God, that gray hair dude, I think he brought me to a Pearl Jam concert, you know, in 1999 or whatever fucking year it was. But either way, I don't think it was 99. I can't remember of 2000, 2000. I must look up

when they, when they, which tour that was. But anyway, that's my Pearl Jam story. But I just wanted to pay homage to my love for Pearl Jam and my embarrassment for not knowing what the lead guitars actually look like. But, uh, that's the end of the episode.

I'd say we'll probably do this theme again. Because there's some left, I think. Um, and, uh, from, well, we, we've banked plenty episodes. So by the time you hear this, you're good. but I'm in Ireland right now while you're listening to this. And, but the episodes will continue. So we'll talk to you guys the next time. Don't forget, 911, 512-1-7-58 or WhatsApp.

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