Berner Phone - Why Do Men Do This?

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Why do men play so many video games? Why do they loudly grunt at the gym? How are they able to use 12-in-1 body washes and still have great skin? This week, Des is solo and attempts to explain men.   Leave us a voicemail: https://telbee.io/channel/msnxcnbe39nmb9rpvbi_eq/index.html   FOLLOW DES: Tickets: https://punchup.live/desbishop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/desbishop Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/desbishop X: https://x.com/desbishop YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Desbishopcomedy TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@desbishop5   FOLLOW HANNAH: Tickets: https://hannahberner.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hannahberner/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HannahBerner X: https://x.com/beingbernz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hannah_berner Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/officialhannahberner/   FOLLOW NICOLE: https://www.instagram.com/nicoleclyons/   Produced by Nicole Lyons Productions Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicolelyonsproductions/ Website: www.nicolelyonsproductions.com

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You know, it's great to be back. We're back with Nicole. It's, it's been a crazy week. Now, you know, we're ahead of the game now. So we'll be a week ahead of when you guys are listening to this. But it has been, it has been a crazy week of chaos in the reality verse that I'm still getting over. We, you know, we won't discuss it here. But I think there's one or two things that come up throughout this episode where we may actually revert back to discuss. that on a deeper level, but I hope you guys are well. Now, Nicole, because this week's prompt is, I put it out on my Instagram, like, do you have any questions about men or like essentially like any statements about men that we can discuss, like that you could discuss with a man, right, you know, being that the listenership is mostly female. And there was really good, funny stuff. But obviously, a lot of the humor of men and women, there can be sweeping generalizations, or there can be things of like, why are men like this? But really, it's just whatever man is

annoying them at the moment, not all men. So you have a very serious task today, Nicole. At times, I want to look into if there's any science or facts or anything to back up. why some of these things are. It won't be for everyone, but let's get to the bottom of it, you know? Let's get scientific on some of the things that are making men tick. Now, I do want to point out that I did say, if there's any men that want to, you know, ask about women

or make a statement about women, please do. But as is the norm here on Burnaphone. We didn't get any. I did. I panicked yesterday because we, Originally we were going to record, oh, I panicked on Saturday. Sorry. Originally we were going to record yesterday.

And I was worried we weren't going to get enough. Because actually, originally I thought maybe this prompt was like a little too complicated, the way that I said it on my Instagram. So I had Hannah put out an emergency prompt about naming mistakes, the biggest mistake that you learned from in your life, which I do think is a good prompt. And I think I'll save that for next week. But just in case anyone's listening and they're like,

I thought I saw Hannah put out a problem. prompt. That was just me panicking about not having enough for this week because I, you know, sometimes I get worried that the prompt is too complicated. But in the end, the dialers came through really well. And somebody, there was in the Spotify comments, a couple of updates to last week on things we said. But of course, I've forgotten them now because I was trying to set up my, my new camera. And if we do post a clip and anyone sees my face, yes, I had some. some rough spots frozen off my face today at the dermatologist because I'm being very proactive and I'm going to the dermatologist, 50 years of age, I went to the dermatologist that checked my skin

from moles and stuff two months ago. And the only thing they found was that you can get these rough scaly patches. So I had some under my eyes, some of the back of my ears and a few on the tips of my nose. And five to 10 percent of them can be cancer. So I had them, you get them frozen off. So I went back today and a few of them actually resurfaced so they froze them off again. So if you see me and you're like, I think Des has been fighting. I have not been fighting. Maybe with my fist. Maybe a couple of internet arguments because some people got upset about something I posted on my Instagram yesterday.

But needless to say, I have not been physically fighting. So let's get your Google ready, Nicole. Get your chat GPT ready. and it's dealer's choice here. Let's get into questions or statements that the dialers have about men. Something I don't understand about men is why do you feel so fucking comfortable to just lit literal urine leak into your underwear and down your fucking leg and whatever the fuck? Like, why the fuck, why if my boyfriend goes pee and then he gets back into the bed and he's naked or whatever? I'm like, why is there pee dripping out of your fucking cocksdale?

Wipe that shit. Men need to wipe. Why the fuck are you comfortable just having piss in your underwear all day walking around? Like, the fuck? Wipe your fucking dick, you weirdos. Oh my God. And my boyfriend has the best fucking hygiene out of any man I've ever met in my entire fucking life. I'm like, why are we lacking?

You know what? I'll take it when it comes to fucking piss dripping off the deck. Wow, the passion. The passion. Well, first of all, can I just say that there are elements of this that just come from the fact that she doesn't have a penis. So she doesn't understand that, like, sometimes. unbeknownst to you, there just appears to be this shy bit of we that hangs out up there in an unwipable place, you know? And you can just get a little leakage. Now, in saying that, most of the time,

you're aware of the shy remaining bit of we. But every now and then, you don't have a perfect execution. and you can get, you know, a little bit of leakage. I guess as men, uh, we've all had a little bit of, you know, underwear leakage and, or, you know, like a, you know, like a, you know, like a little bit of like spray from the shakage. And I guess when you've lived with a penis your entire life, you, eventually you just realize it's not that big of a deal. There's just a lot of horrible stuff that our body.

all of us have learned to, you know, like our immune systems have learned to deal with that are just floating about in the atmosphere. And that remnant is, is one of them. And it's not really that much of an issue. But I get it, you know, if you're, if it was as simple as why don't you just wipe, I would 100% accept your anger as totally justified. By the way, I'm not saying you don't have any unjustified anger in this situation. But what I would will say is that there is a sort of a remnant up there that is unwipable that you perhaps were not aware may decide to evacuate at a later date. But I will also admit that I think that there's a haphazardness to sometimes male behavior in that situation where they know that that might

happen and they just don't care. And that's the thing is that men have largely just become comfortable with that little bit of leakage from time to time. You just, most of the time, 100% of the time you hope it doesn't happen, but you know that it does sometimes. And you just, after a while, you just go, not that big of a deal, you know? Getting back into bed naked, I would be more concerned about leakage. I probably wouldn't get back into bed until I've 100% verified. You know, you almost have to put like the sand, the hourglass, if to turn it, not getting back

into bed naked if you're worried about a potential incident. But your anger about it was very entertaining. And that's the main thing. You know, this is a very much dialer-driven podcast. And that's the passion we're looking for from the dialers. You know, we like this level of anger about trivial things. You know, more of that energy in 2026. Nicole, let's take another. Something that I just thought of the other day that I just think could be a good discussion on this pod is why the fuck does my boyfriend know what my asshole looks like in fucking detail? Oh, I think same person. And we've been together for four years and I don't know what his asshole looks like. What I don't know what your asshole looks like?

And you know what mine looks like. That is not fucking fair. Going forward, any man that I ever sleep with, and I'm going to encourage every single person to do the same. I'm gonna say, show me your fucking asshole first. I'll have sex with you, but I need to see your asshole first. Show me your fucking asshole, because no way you're gonna see mine. And I'm not gonna see yours. It's not fair.

That's not fair. You need to be so fucking vulnerable and show me your fucking asshole before I'm vulnerable enough to show you my fucking asshole and vagina. I'm sorry, show me your fucking asshole. Show it to me. Show me your fucking gooch. Okay, so I think that's the same person. Now, it's very rare that it's obvious, but I'm pretty sure it's the same person,

which brings me to quite a difficult situation because we're very much at the beginning of the pod. And essentially this person is becoming like the co-host. But there's another one connected to this one, I think. And I think it's actually the same person. So let's just play that with this one together. And then let's just deal with the whole thing. Okay. I'm aware that we're coming in hot, everybody.

I'm very aware. Something I don't understand about men is why are they so against getting their asshole dealt with during sex? It's like if your G spot is up your ass, why would you not want me to get up there for you? I don't understand. It would like, like, I think about it in the way that it's like if I were to have sex and stuff without having my clit stimulated. fuck that. That's like the only reason I'm doing it. Like, why would you not want that? Like, I'll get up there for you. I got you.

It feels like a weird, like, stigma towards it being fucking gay or something. But it's like, who the fuck cares? Who the fuck cares? I'll get up there for you. I'm a woman. I'll get up there for you, bro. Spread them cheeks. I'll get up there. Yo, I think it's the same woman, but she was, like, trying to change her voice. Am I crazy? What do you think? I love the asshole fixation. Like she's really, really locked in. It's the same person, right? I think so. Yeah. That level of energy is hard to replicate.

She didn't drop any F-bombs in the third one. But I feel like she was trying to, like, change her voice a little bit in the third one. But I'm pretty sure it's the same person. This is the first time I've really clocked it, you know? I've played. We've played two of the same from the same person, but not realizing. And then somebody's like, oh, my God, you play two of mine. Anyway, this is a big, you know that I've talked about this in my show. I have stand-up about this. And she's 100% right in her sort of like overly passionate way that I think there's a lot of stigma around it. But what I would also say is like I don't think all men, I don't know 100% if the male G-spot is up there. Okay. Like I think the whole concept of the male G-spot might be exaggerated. but I've always been a fan of the of the butt plate. Now, this ended up being a little bit more like a sex podcast than I was expecting up top,

I'll admit. Normally I would save this for later on, but it's come out the way that it's come out. You know, you and Chris, you both have this, you're like moths to the flame with the dirty ones. You just, you guys have to go there, you know. But anyway, that's totally fine. I just think a lot of men won't let it happen because they think it's, you know, My joke was that men think the gay button is up there. And once it's pressed, that's it.

There's no going back. That was my joke. Ali Wong has a similar joke. And so I think that's part of it, number one. Number two, I really do think that some men just don't like it. And I think similar to women, I just think some people just don't want any activity up there for any number of reasons. And then why you haven't seen his, honestly, that's on you. You got to go there.

And if he constantly tells you to stop, then, you know, that's, that's on him. But I can promise you, as somebody that doesn't mind a bit of this, you know, butt play shenanigans, it's a lot harder to get somebody to even want to see the, the, the, the, the, the, the cheek opening than it is to, you know, your complaint. All right. So fair play to you, you know, you're out there, you know, being adventurous and finding resistance from some timid men. but I would say, well, I would say that you're dealing with a whole lot of stuff.

But thank you for your passionate sharing. Have you ever been with a guy that's like a butt play guy? I don't know if they've ever been the ones to bring it up. Oh, you bring it up. Yeah, because it just seems it's, I don't know, for some reason I feel like most guys that, at least that I have been with, have not asked for that directly. But then once we've kind of ventured into. to that territory they're usually down for it.

Right. Okay. Do you ask for it directly? Well, not in the early days. I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be on date one being like, hey, I've just had a shower. Get in there. Everything's nice and tidy, you know. But, you know, like when you have those conversations, you know, when you have the conversations about what you're into, I will mention it. But listen, I've encountered. in my life as many timid women around that. And I don't mean timid women of me doing something to them. I mean, timid women that would even want to try that. So, you know, that's not, that's not as

universal as her energy suggests. That's, that's what I would say, you know? I would say, there's like a very funny Sex and the City episode about all that. And I still think, even to this day, there's still elements of taboo. I mean, I always, I think there's a few people making jokes about, you know, the millennials and the Gen Zs, they'd be talking about eating ass. Like they created it. But I just think they're just a little more open about talking about it. But anyway, these are just, that was like, I used to do a podcast with Katie Boyle called The Shift. And like, we talked about this type of stuff a lot, you know.

But I, by the way, there is another sort of sexual one, but we can, we'll hold off on that one a little bit later. But anyway, needless to say, I think it should always be discussed, you know? Like, I think in a relationship, if you've been together a while and this has never come up, bring it up, you know, because either the guy will be like, no, I'm not into it, or he'll be like, into it but not wanting to bring it up, because guys would be worried too that people will judge them for being into that. So I would say it requires discussion. That's your homework, guys. Dialers, you have homework. This is your taraya, okay? You got to have a discussion with your partner about opening up new frontiers in the bedroom if these frontiers have not been crossed.

You know, if we're in early 1800s America and you haven't crossed the Mississippi yet. Let's take another one to go. Hi. I absolutely love this prompt. First of all, why do men love to play video games? They just sit around all day and kill things, shoot things, build things, I think. who knows, but they do it all the time. They love it and they talk about it constantly and spend way too much money on it.

Number two, why do they just like to walk around the gym and try to lift as heavy as they possibly can and grunt so loud? I will never understand that either. And they always have the worst form. Always have the worst form. And then lastly, why do men always feel like they can, or I should say, like to sit on the toilet and just go through Instagram for 30 minutes while they're taking the poop? I'm going to disregard the third one because I feel like anybody could do that. Don't you think? Agreed.

Like, but I'll disregard the third one in that like, I think anybody at, at, at, you know, at, you. at certain times can suddenly just find themselves forgetting that they're like sitting with their trousers around their ankles, right? We've all gotten lost into phone. We've all, have you had the, uh, this, the scrolling like dead leg from, you know, like you can't, you can't feel your feet because you've been so distracted on the toilet? It's horrible. I've, like, walked out of the bathroom to my boyfriend, like, help, like I'm falling over because my legs are sleep. Yeah, that's, I mean, I can't feel my legs. That's the problem of modern society. Like, we're literally, we're numbing. We're physically, like, temporarily paralyzing ourselves because

we're sitting on an object like the toilet bowl cutting off the arteries to our extremities. So I don't think that's male, you know. I don't, I'm actually, fun fact, about me, it's my claim to fame. I'm one of the fastest poopers that in all of my friend groups. I'm just, that's my thing. I'm not a big fan to spend a lot of time in there. But at the same time, I have gotten distracted and I have a joke. Part of the mindfulness routine is that I'm so addicted to my phone that sometimes I'll like have an emergency. I'll like run home, finally make it to the bathroom and then I'll realize I left my phone outside. So I'll pull my pants back up, go out and get my phone. Like, God forbid, right, that's my joke. So obviously I'm aware. I'm aware.

I have cut off the circulation to my legs. However, I am definitely not the person that's generally in that situation for longer. So I saw you type me. Did you Google why do men like video games? So I was looking up to see if men statistically even like video games more than women or play more than women. And it seems like it's a pretty similar, a pretty similar ratio. Really? Yeah.

But it does say that younger men more, like play more frequently than younger. women and they're more likely to play for longer than women. Right. I am wondering about like, you know, the types of games and consoles, like if that makes a major difference between men and women, because I think a lot of women that I know, like a little cozy game. Like, like, they like bejeweled and stuff. Is that?

I don't know if bejeweled is. What is that? Am I saying the wrong thing? Candy Crush. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That type of game. But jule is a game, though, I'm pretty sure. But it's similar.

Like Animal Crossing, like something like. Angry birds? Angry birds? Sure. You like Angry Birds? I was a big Angry Birds guy. Unfortunately, the sequels, they just didn't do it for me, but there was a time where I was a big... But you know why?

I liked the original Angry Birds? Because it wasn't... It hadn't gotten into this nonsense of like trying to get more and more money out of you. You know what I mean? Angry Birds? You never played Angry Birds? Well, what were they trying to charge you for? But no, all the games do that now.

where like you can't really progress without charging. Are you playing Angry Birds in 2026? I'm not. No, I'm just saying that I like to have a good game on my phone for just like long poops, for example, you know, just to bring it back. And I just, I remember really enjoying Angry Birds. And I remember in recent times buying like one of their, I think they have like Angry Birds three. And it just wasn't the same because it had, it had a.

adopted this like nonsensical like money thing. And like so many of the games on the internet now, I just, or sorry, on the app games, because I'm not going to play. I'm not going to get a console. You know, like Yamanika Saunders, great comedian. She was once actually, she once on the pod. Mateo Lane, Archu, just immediate comics that come to mind that are big into video games. They play Fortnite. You know, Yamanika, again, recently just on an Instagram post was saying, that she likes to play Fortnite in between sex sessions with some dude, you know? And I'm quoting her. I'm not speaking out of school here.

Like, she likes Fortnite. But like I could never find myself in like modern day consoling games. I mean, Mateo literally twitches, you know. And I think there's like a whole subculture of like gay men playing these games, right? And obviously I never played like Roblox or any of the, or Minecraft, you know, know, that the younger men play. But I do think, though, that women would be less inclined to make gaming, like, part of their personality, I think. That is one of the things that's listed here is that men are way more likely to identify as gamers. Right. Okay. And I would also say that probably,

I don't think women stay in the culture as long. This is an assumption. And my reason is I think because the, particularly in the modern day of communal gaming and headphones and speaking and making comments, I think it gets quite toxic, you know, and women aren't into being toxic about video games. They are into being toxic about other women on reality TV shows, but they are not into being toxic about gaming, I feel. So I feel like that sort of angry male culture probably ends up being off putting to women. But a fair, a good, that's the type of stuff I was expecting. What was her middle one? About men grunting in the gym and having bad form and walking around. Bad form just made me laugh, you know?

You know, one thing that's an absolute fact, though, is that with a lot of exercise and dancing and skiing, women naturally have better form. form. That's just a fact. Some of that has to do with like their hip mobility actually. But I think, you know what? I think too, though, one of the reasons why women have better form, and this is definitely like something that's either good or bad about men. I don't know if, I think this is a positive and a negative depending on the circumstance. But I think women stay within their abilities better. Like a woman is naturally better at just going like, this is the correct weight for me to be to do this right. Whereas a man just thinks, I want to do as much weight as I possibly can. And I don't really care about form because I just want to be able to say, I did this weight.

You know? So I think that's one of the reasons why men will have bad form. I've, I've never been with a personal trainer and them not told me you've been doing this wrong your whole life. That's the worst thing. The worst thing about personal traders is like you go there and They're like, what do you do? And I'm like, I do this. And they're like, yeah, that's wrong. Yeah, you've just been like using every other muscle other than the muscle that you're trying to work there. And, you know, then they have you doing it right. The problem is that the minute they're not there, you go back to doing it wrong. You know, like, let's just, let's just admit that, you know. You can't have personal trainers for life. One, because they're too expensive. And two, you'd have to listen to the extra. So here's the problem of personal trainers.

They're really good at form, but then they're really bad at actually science-based nutritional information. They end up giving you the biggest load of codswallop that you've ever heard about what you should be eating. And they're telling you probably to, like, you know, inject things or take supplements that really have no scientific backing and possibly might be bad for you. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. I've never heard as much misinformation as sitting in a sauna in Miami. Have I said, did I say that recently? No. Okay, well, it's a fact.

I've, I've, oh, actually, can I, can I throw out a gripe here since we're, since, so now this might be universal, okay, but I found a really good gym in Miami that has like an amazing sauna and an amazing plunge pool. And by the way, I'm not a big plunger. I'm not saying that plunging is the end of bill. I've always liked cold water swimming because it makes me feel good. I'm not claiming any benefits other than. puts me in an awesome mood. And one of my top 10 things in this world to do to relax is super hot sauna,

super cold plunge. Okay. This place, Jim, I'm not going to mention it. It has that in spades. So I've been going there a lot, but I've been sitting in the sauna. And number one, I have to listen to all these fucking douchebags. And by the way, Miami is the capital of douchebags. Okay. There is a higher percentage of douchebags. Male 5' 5'8, ripped, tattooed, douchebags. bags, the highest amount in America. I guarantee it per capita, without a shadow of a doubt. So I have had to listen to these fucking douchebags constantly, openly, confidently giving varied bits of misinformation about things for your body.

It's insane, right? And I'll tell you, this is an actual experience I had. And this is when I couldn't, I couldn't hold back. I bite my lip most of the time. but this was like I felt attacked. So I'm sitting in the sauna with my legs crossed. Like I always do, I'm a legs crosser. There's a lot of male insecurity around what's manly and what isn't.

One is supposedly crossing your legs isn't manly, right? Even though my dad was a leg crosser, I'm a legs crosser. It's fucking genetic, okay? It's a comfortable position for my legs, right? I'm a leg crosser, okay? Don't care whether it's masculine or feminine. It's comfortable. Okay?

That's where my gender identity lies. What's fucking comfortable, right? So I'm a leg crusher. Hold that thought. The other thing that I cannot understand how fickle masculinity is that I see all these guys online saying, oh, he probably sits while he's peeing. Have you ever seen this? Like, he sits while he's peeing.

Like, people like, oh, he sits while he's peeing. Like, that's inherently feminine, which there's just so much wrong with that. One, how fickle is your masculinity? that you think how you piss has anything to do with your manhood, right? Number two, what happens when you're taking a shit? And you piss? Because most of the time you're taking a shit, you piss too. Oh, are you accidentally fucking gay now?

Because you let some pee out while you're fucking taking a shit? No, because if you can pee while you're doing something else, then you can pee when you're just peeing. It's the same shit. It's the most nonsensical. some of this stuff that these idiots, you know, these low, low IQ, I can't even believe I'm saying that because I hate judging people on their intellect. But the problem is that the fucking dumbasses have won. That's actually the problem. The internet actually said, hey, let me give you all of the information of humanity and let that actually empower the dumbest people. I don't know how the fuck that happened, but it happened. Right. So for all these fucking idiots, right, deplorables. I'm going to say it because Hillary Clinton was right. right? These fucking deplorables, right, are out there suggesting that if you sit while you pee, you're fucking either gay or like feminine or like the most insecure masculinity I've ever heard

in my life. So just remember that, you fucking insecure, idiot men, that every time you piss when you're taking a shit, you're a fucking, you're a fucking little feminine, weak fucking man by your own standards, by the way. Or you can feel like, like I do when I sit when I pee and I go, you know what? It's more fucking comfortable. I'm really fucking comfortable here having my little wee-wee. All right. So anyway, that's an aside.

So as far as the thing about the sauna. So I'm sitting there with my legs crossed. Now, in fairness to this guy, I don't think he was triggered by my legs being crossed. I think he hadn't seen me. So he was talking to this like Russian dance instructor. and he was he owns restaurants this guy and he starts telling her you know what's really bugging me these days it's something i've noticed is that uh men sitting with their legs crossed at the restaurant he's like i'm that's not right that's not right and he starts like saying this openly this

is this is what's wrong with miami who in their right mind would feel comfortable saying such nonsense but it's like the amount of people that like did you see the the manosphere documentary. They literally come to Miami to meet these fucking clowns, right? So one of these like, manisphery fucking clowns is in here, right? And he's like, I don't get it, you know? And, and they're sitting there with their legs crossed. And, you know, whatever, he keeps going on about the legs crossing. And he's, like, really, like, passionate about it. Right. So I said nothing, but I did not uncross my legs. I can tell you that. He said nothing. I don't think he'd seen me either, or he was triggered by me, I can never say.

But then, I don't know, he said something that I couldn't resist. So I was like, it's just more comfortable for them, bro. I said it like that too. I gave it the full queens like I've had enough. I'm like trying to chill in the fucking sauna. You're coming from my fucking manhood here. You know? I said it's just comfortable for them, bro, with my fucking legs crossed like a goddamn fucking poetic gent that I am,

a fucking cultured, legs crossing, modern man, right? And of course, what did he do? He fucking backed off. Like most of these fucking pussies, when they fucking get challenged on their insecure masculinity,

he backed off, right? And then we had to laugh about it, which is what you have to do most of the time with these people. You just got to cut him off and then actually everything gets dissipated. We had to laugh about it. And then in the end,

he fucking went out to have a, he invited me out to have a cold plunge together. And then in the cold, plunge, gave me some other fucking bullshit misinformation, which I won't even get into because it's neither here nor there. But anyway, crossing your legs, just as manly as not crossing your legs. All right? And there's a lot less women out there complaining about men having their fucking legs crossed than men having their legs spread. All right? So maybe there should be a little more legs crossing. All right? Just putting it out there. But anyway, great, great message.

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This is a paid advertisement insurance is underwritten by either Independence American Insurance Company or United States Fire Insurance Company and produced by P.C. DZ Insurance Agency Limited, the ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. What I can't possibly understand about men is why they refuse to take care of their health and well-being. They refuse to go to the doctor. They say everything is totally fine, even if their body is falling apart at the seams. They refuse to stop drinking or doing whatever vice it is, eating sugar, even though they know it's completely destroying their bodies. And if you manage to get them one foot into the doctor's office, they're like, oh, no, doctor,

I'm totally fine. I don't drink and everything feels great. And it's like your body is covered with 100 moles and you drink so much every night. Your liver is feeling. You probably have diabetes. Like, why don't you go get yourself checked out and get some help for yourself? Like, help yourself. Why is that so hard for men to do?

I've never met a woman that didn't immediately go to the doctor. doctor when something was wrong. Like, go to the doctor, bro. It's not that big of a deal. Great. I mean, like, I think that's always a good message because I do think, do you want to Google it quick? Like, is it still in 2026 as common for men to have more of a hesitancy to get checked? Because like, I feel like it's similar to like what men don't want to ask directions. You know, there is a weird thing about asking for help, you know, I think it's tied into that. What is the internet saying? I know this is non-scientific. What the data says is that around 65% of men say they delay going to the doctor as long as possible.

They're less likely than women to seek preventative care or routine checkups than women. So they'll go if it's like very serious or urgent, but not, I guess, make those like, you know, annual physical checkup type appointments. Yeah. Which, yeah, I mean, that absolutely tracks, you know. So I can't, I guess there was a time in my life where maybe I would have fallen into that category. However, because I've been forced to deal with numerous serious enough healthings throughout my not so short life. I was going to say my short life, but I'm probably over the halfway point. So I would say I don't totally fall into that category.

But what I will say is when I had a lump on my testicle when I was 24, I did. I didn't ignore it, but I hoped that it would go away for too long, you know, which was, I mean, I'm going to say three to four months maybe. I can't remember 100% how long I waited, but I know that it was at least the entire summer of the year 2000 that I waited to actually get that checked. And it turned out to be cancer. So you got to get that checked, right? So anyway, since then I'm less inclined to hold off. In fact, I'm probably the opposite. it like, you know, I've called an ambulance on myself like three times already in my life, thinking I was having a heart attack. What was it? Anxiety?

Well, Hannah will tell you I was having a panic attack in her Netflix special, but this is misinformation. That particular incident was actually I had like either some sort of stomach bug or food poisoning because what followed was very much like that. But in a very male, the male part of that is that I actually called an ambulance on myself. But when the ambulance said, I'm not having a heart attack, I denied going to the hospital. Because on the previous call, I had gone to the hospital. And like, you end up in there for days and then they charge you gazillions of dollars.

And it was just like not worth it. So I denied going to the hospital. I went back to the apartment. I puked three times. And then because I felt better after I puked, I didn't cancel my cellar spots. I went and I did my spots at the cellar. And then I came back and I puked again. And then the following day I had the issues that you would have from the other end related to a stomach bug.

And actually did a virtual with the doctor. And the doctor said, no, that's not a panic attack. that is a stomach virus or food poisoning. But Hannah refused to accept what the doctor said and just chose to believe that it was a panic attack. Also, she could make her joke. A man will prefer to think he's having a heart attack than get therapy or whatever her, you know,

whatever her joke that fits her stereotypes about men, which was totally fine. But the third time, I didn't actually call an ambulance, but I did actually go to the, I went to the doctor and then I actually went to the emergency room. And that time, the third time, I think was anxiety. And I won't say what was going on, but there was a few things going on at the time that were like quite a lot. And I did actually, I did actually, that one I think was anxiety. But anyway, I just don't want to be the idiot that doesn't check that they're having a heart attack.

You know what I mean? I don't want to be that guy. How did your spots go that night where you had an oral virus or whatever? Killed it, bro. I talked about it. I talked about it because it takes too long to explain the story, but a couple of funny things actually happened. One of the most, you know, I have this routine about that I hated my name, Desmond Bishop. And that because it sounded like Archbishop Desmond Tutu and people called me Tutu.

And but then in adulthood, the black comedians told me. me that I have a black name, that Desmond Bishop is like a black name. So I have a long routine about that. So the funny thing is that when we call the ambulance, said like the restaurant, we're like aware, and I was waiting for the ambulance, I was lying down because they had like a bench. The tables were like against the bench on one side and seats on the other. So I was lying down on the bench and this lovely older black couple over next to us. And she was like, you got to keep talking.

You got to keep talking. You know, what's your name? So I said, my name is Desmond. and she goes, oh, that's my grandson's name. I said, I said, that's funny. I said, I have a joke about the fact that people say I have a black name. And then her husband goes, we named him after Archbishop Testament 2, too. I do.

I mean, if I was having a heart attack, it would have stopped right there. I was laughing so hard to myself. I was like, what are the odds? What are the odds that these people would literally say, like the two beats of my joke? But then another fun fact, the owner of the restaurant comes over and starts talking to me. And not knowing that I'm a stand-up comedian, he goes, you know who you remind me of? Bill Burr, right? Which at the time, I was just like, whatever.

I actually started doing an impersonation of Bill Burr. Well, you know, that's what Hannah makes fun of me. She's like, this guy thinks she's having a heart attack, but he's still, like, trying to make people laugh. So I actually started doing like a Bill Burr impersonation to this guy. But this was before I had those viral clips where everybody said, oh, he's copying Bill Burr. You know, so it's just like, it gets so funny when these people are like,

Oh, he's just copying Bill Burr. It's like, no, just some people think I sound like Bill Burr. I never, never knew that, you know, never inspired by Bill Burr. Anyway, need this to say, all that went on when I was having a heart attack. So how did we get on to that last part of that about the... You were talking about killing your seller spots? Oh, yes. So actually, sorry, I told that story that I just told.

And they went, it went really well. So anyway, the spots went great. And back to men thinking about going to the down. doctor. Like, so just coincidentally enough, I literally was at the dermatologist today at getting these things frozen off my face. And also just, I, the reason why I was doing a follow-up is because I felt like I was a little late to the party of going to get my skin checked for like moles and stuff. And so I've been better actually at doing that. I, you know, when I was younger, I was, I was reasonable. But you know what I'm bad at going to the dentist. That's what I'm bad at these days. But anyway, yeah, listen, I, I, I worked with the Irish Cancer Society a lot, trying to get men to, like, check themselves. And I'm very aware that this is like a real thing, you know? And I think, again, a lot of it comes down to this very, there's certain parts of masculinity, masculinity that are just odd. One of them is like asking for help. Like, men, for some reason, have some weird instinctual thing that it's a sign of weakness. You know,

know, like even sometimes, like, if we get to, if we get to the supermarket or like a target or something, and we have a specific thing that we want, like Hannah's instinct will be, let's just ask somebody where it is. And my instinct will be, no, let's just find it. And I rationalize that by saying, well, I get a kick out of trying to find it. I rationalize it by acting like, I like turning the shopping, I like gamifying the shopping experience. But I think if you got deeper, if you went one level deeper, I think you would discover that it's part of that male thing of not wanting to ask for help, you know? And even though in recovery terms, you know, alcohol, drug addiction stuff, I've been very open for asking for help all throughout my life out of necessity. There's still a lot of other aspects of life, particularly just everyday life, that I still hold on to some of that resistance.

and you know some of that I think is just in men you know and I think some aspects of masculinity need to be challenged and then other things maybe they just don't change I don't know by the way I'm not saying you should just accept it but I am saying that like it's in there I don't know if it's learned or innate I mean I got to think there are pods out there that literally just focus on this for 52 episodes a year about what's learned what's innate what's worth challenging in what you think is innate and what's worth not, you know, what's good? You know, because a lot of these manosphere guys,

they like to talk about sort of like, as if we're moving away from some natural instincts that are better for humanity. And that's part of, you know, they like to sort of like, I don't know if you see this like online, like any problem in the world, they try to say like, well, that's because of feminism or that's because we gave them the vote or, you know,

like just all this stuff that's like we move too far away from like what we're meant to be, men are meant to be this, and that's why we have all these problems which I obviously that's ridiculous you know on so many levels but on the flip side of that I don't know what parts of the innate aspects of masculinity or not even masculinity which is the innate aspects of guys that produce testosterone have dicks you know like whatever a natural shit is going on I don't know what's worth celebrating and what's worth being like you got to watch

out for that that's the one thing actually in all the debates about masculinity The one thing I don't hear enough of is like, guys, testosterone, very powerful hormone. Here's what's good about it. Here's what's bad. Let's watch out for the red flags of what's bad. Right. And it's almost like, so PMS, whatever, like I'm premenstrual. Like, we all have a laugh about that.

But we all know. Like women know, oh shit, I'm premenstrual. I'm whatever, you know, whatever's coming from that hormonal shit. right but for some reason we don't talk enough about like because testosterone's way more fucking dangerous than a mood swing a couple of days before your period all right like yeah or nay like i think so much what's her name do you know the name of that that um she's like a new york commentariat person i think scorsesey did like a documentary about her Fran Leibovitz is that Fran Leibovitz you know her she's like a cute cute little commentary

just very funny. But she really rocked my world one time where she said, we don't talk about testosterone enough. And like, I think part of the conversation about men and like the good and the bad parts of masculinity, let's have more awareness of what testosterone is doing to our bodies. Let's have more awareness of how adrenaline affects our behavior. because we're getting a little bit better at the adrenaline and the cortisol. We don't talk enough about testosterone.

Obviously, as guys get older, some people take testosterone replacement therapy. And like, I think that's a conversation that's people are being open about. But it's just like, yo, we got this fucking, it's literally like gun control, right? I hate guns, right? As far as I'm concerned, America is insane with their ability, their want to defend gun ownership rights. makes no sense to most Europeans. I'm not officially, well, I am officially European, like legally, but, you know, like I'm born in America, sorry, raised in America, but I've lived in Europe more of my life. And so for most Europeans, they think it's the dumbest thing ever. It's really

cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's like, let's have a load of unnecessary death because it's our God-given right to own a gun. Whatever, if I can second amendment, bullshit. It's nonsense, right? It has no actual intellectual basis in reality, except that people have connected it to their identity, which is the danger of so many things in our world right now, the fact that issues get connected to identity, and then you feel like you're losing a part of yourself to give in on that fucking issue. And that's, listen, that's the core of so much of what's wrong in modern society. However, I just feel like with guns, if we're going to have this liberal, you know, such liberal gun laws, there should be way more restrictions on the amount of training that somebody gets

to have one, the amount of regulations that there should be when you're, you're carrying one. And honestly, testosterone's like a gun. Except that every man has it. And not enough of us, particularly when we're younger, fucking realize how dangerous it is. So I think we just need, on top of conversations about masculinity or toxic masculinity, we really need a conversation about let's be aware of what testosterone is doing to us and control it. Right.

We can't regulate it, right? You know, and I think I'm on the flip side where I can probably use a bit more of it, but I'm not going down that road yet. Relax. All right. I'm not, I'm not roganizing just yet. No rogan, no rogan. That's not my thing. I still got my hair and I'm not doing TRT. I'm not becoming one of those guys. But anyway, that's a very long, slightly unstructured discussion about masculinity that I wasn't expecting to have. But a good, important one. Not the problem is every, it's all women. listening to this. So now you got to, you got to, you got to write down what I said in bullet points and share it with your guys while you're licking their butt after this, after this episode, right? When you, when you, when you, when you, when you when you when you when you when

when you when you when you when you when you when you when you when you're playing with their butt be like oh and by the way you need to be aware how testosterone affects you. All right. Let's go for another one to co. Thank you. Hi, Des. Hi. Hi. Hi. co-host of the week. My question is more about, can you explain this to me about my ex who happens to be a man, but this would not apply to all men. I hope to God it would not. Broke up with my ex and one thing we were disagreeing about was a dog. He wanted a very large dog. I wanted something smaller. The week after I broke up with him, he got the dog he wanted and named it Charlie. which inside thing between us was what I called his penis when we were dating.

Can you fucking explain to me why someone would name their dog after what their ex-girlfriend who dumped them called their penis? I just, I'm having a lot of trouble understanding this. There's not enough therapy in the world that could ever explain this to me. Help. Honestly, I just thought that was funny. I don't really have much to add. I just think it's very funny. It's also funny that you had a nickname for his penis.

I've had joking nicknames from my penis, but for routines, not in real life. Like, in one of my routines, I would say his name is Seamus. But, like, that was just, I just thought it was funny to call your cock Seamus. But, like, in this situation, I mean, it's very funny that you guys had a nickname for Charlie. I'd love to know why. I guess, listen, I'm not defending your boyfriend. It's not exactly the theme of the app. But what I will say is like, he may have just grown an affinity to the name Charlie as a result of this.

But also, listen, something deeper, which maybe can console you a little bit is maybe he just wanted to keep like a tiny piece of you're with him. You know, maybe. I wish you guys could have compromised on the dog. But hopefully in the end, it'll be for the better. you just never really know what these things do you? You know? It's actually, we could probably do a whole episode on pet breakup drama. Like I feel like there's just a lot of what did we do with the dog or the cat after we broke up? And actually, so many, I haven't used to go down, how many people had horrible drama when they broke up with the pet? How many people ended up back together?

Because the pet kind of stopped the breakup running its course. Because I, I, I know one. I'm not going to say who, somebody close to me, who definitely the dog stopped that breakup being a successful breakup. I don't know if that's the right term for a breakup. But you know what I mean? So I'm not sure, but I think. That's like a Disney movie.

Yeah. The dog kept them together. But I think that happens a lot. But then also I think, I got to think that they're like, you could make a good horror movie too about like how the pet and the, Hat ended up causing like some severe drama. By the way, I'm not, no spoilers, but Hannah and I started watching DTF St. Louis last night. We haven't decided whether it's good or not, but we're definitely intrigued enough to keep going.

We're only three episodes in. It's one of those ones where it's like, is this amazing or is this just like another bullshit thing that sucked me in? I can't tell. No spoilers, but are you watching it? You're shaking your head. Yeah, I'm kind of on the same page as you where I did, I crushed like four episodes in one sitting. but I left feeling like, do I want to continue this? Like I'm a little bit confused about these dynamics going on.

Yeah. I mean, it's entertaining. The comedic aspect of it is actually pretty good, even though normally I hate that unless it's like really high level. But actually, I think the level's pretty high. And the camera stuff, like sometimes when it's too much about like how they're making it, that can be a distraction for me, but it's good enough that I'm actually enjoying it almost independently to the story. I'm just like getting a kick out of that. But again, a lot of bells and whistles.

I'm not 100% sure about the storytelling yet, but I'm just saying that I think it's worth it. I think it's worth a try anyway. And actually next week, maybe when people have more of a chance, we can discuss love on the spectrum, which I think is one of the greatest television series ever made. but I'm sure some people think it's problematic, but maybe next week we'll have a little love on the spectrum section. But let's get a couple more before we go, because I've been doing a lot of talking. And I literally said to myself before this episode, let the dialers speak today, Des. Hi, Des and Chris and possible guest, huge fan of the pod. Something I don't understand about men is the fact that they can use like a bar of soap or a,

12 in one Irish spring wash and use the same thing on their face, their body, their ass, and just have perfect skin where I am fighting for my life out here with multiple products and serums and potions and lotions to not get a zit. So someone please explain to me how this could possibly be. Thanks. Love you guys. Yeah, so this is actually kind of a favorite topic of Hannah, too. Well, I would say there's a happy middle here, which is that's not the case for everybody.

In that, I think some guys, when they do that, do end up with a Zit or different things or like end up with dry skin and just most men will pay no attention to it. I actually think it's their lack of giving a shit that has a lot to do with it. So I don't think it's totally the case that like men's end up with a good result Just with the crappy stuff But on the other side to this, which is why I say it's kind of a middle ground is that You're wasting your money on a lot of the shit that you're buying for your face ladies You know, and I'm not I'm not ashamed to say that and I know Sometimes I get attacked and people say I don't understand but like it's a fucking fact

It's you're getting as much misinformation of, you know, off Instagram as you are in a sauna in Miami, okay? There's a lot of bullshit out there. So I get it, you know? Some of this stuff makes your face feel good, but it's not doing as much as they say. So you got to find that happy medium, you know? Like I once, and I've said this before on the pod, but when I was doing dance with the stars, I asked the makeup artist about, like I said, I just put the same moisture as I

put on my body on my face. And she said, well, if you don't get a reaction, it's fine. And then I've had people push back when I say that and say that's not true. But like, you know, it's fine. I mean, I'm aware of them having shit frozen off my face. But that's from the sun. That's from the sun, not from moisturizer. But anyway, I have nothing to add to that other than I 100% agree with you. But I would also say that perhaps some people are putting too much of the far side of that into it. Actually, she said something though that reminded me, can you play the one about up, men wiping their butt. It's not as disgusting as it sounds, but it's actually, it leads me to a PSA that I want to talk about. Okay. Why do some men not wipe their ass after they shit? So I dated this guy and he would go to the bathroom, whatever, and we'd all be hanging out. And then you would know if he took a shit because all of a sudden you'd hear the shower turn on. Because he would not wipe his ass if he pooped and he would immediately jump in the shower to clean.

But you're like arguably, yes, it's better. Like, you're even cleaner. Like, whatever. But it's fucking weird. And then, like, I feel like a couple years ago it was being talked about that these maga men, like, don't wipe their ass because they don't want to touch their butt because that's gay. And now I'm wondering, like, if that was that his thing? But I've also heard of other men doing this.

And, like, whatever, get clean. It's even better, I guess. But it's fucking weird. Like, what if you have an emergency? and you're shitting in a bodega in the street of New York. Like, they don't have a shower, so you're just not going to wipe your ass? Like, I don't get it. Okay, I have a lot to say, but before I get distracted,

what bodega is letting you take a shit? Have you ever, have you ever gone to the bathroom in a bodega? No. Who's having the audacity? Nobody. I don't think, I didn't even know they had bathrooms. Like, I didn't know that was an option. I mean, I remember when I was a kid, like having an emergency and asking in the supermarket

and having to go back to like the employees bathroom. And that was like a huge deal. In a bodega? I mean, if I had an emergency, maybe I'd ask. But I've never had the audacity to ask in a bodega. Oh my God. Okay. So your ex or boyfriend, was it an ex or was it a current?

I think she said she used to date him. Okay. So your ex had a problem with getting an itchy asshole. Okay. Famous topic and comedy because Luis C.K. had a famous routine about it, and then some people accused Dane Cook of robbing Louis C.K.'s Itchy asshole routine. So it feels like you can't even talk about itchy assholes because it's such a copyrighted topic. But I can tell you right now that your ex had an itchy asshole. And one of the best ways to avoid a flare-up, which is what that is, is to not wipe your butt with toilet paper at all. gently with a non-scented wipe can be okay, but it has to be gentle.

And you really shouldn't flush them down the toilet. And I'm aware that there's flushable claims. But in general, because I lived in China where they're not even flushing regular toilet paper down the paper. I just don't think it's a big deal to have a bin, a wastebasket next to the toilet and not putting anything other than the most flushable items down the toilet. It's not a big deal. It's not, you know, most of the world does it.

Okay. So just don't throw those away in the toilet. That's my opinion, okay? So I have suffered with the itchy butt. My brother, oh, actually, well, I won't get too much sick. But he has also suffered with the itchy butt. But he also went, he talked to a doctor properly about it. So, and essentially the doctor was like, no scented.

So it's just like, it's a very sensitive area. And some people have more sensitive skin than others. So you can end up with flare-ups. There are loads of things that cause it. But the number one thing is wiping your butt. So actually, he's literally just making sure that he doesn't get an itchy butt. Nothing wrong with it. Don't think he's a MAGA guy.

It wasn't even aware. I think that might be a bit of a internet sort of thing that got. bent out of shape about like, don't wipe your butt because you're touching your butt and it's gay. And trust me, whatever MAGA guy spread that is the gayest of them all. This is a, this is a 100% fact. He's the gayest of them all to be concerned about that. So anyway, since I started doing that more, and obviously, so you say like, what if you're in a bodega?

Listen, if you have to use toilet paper, use toilet paper, all right? Here's a fun fact. PSA, tell your boyfriends, especially anyone who's ever complains. about this. This might be too much detail, but essentially, don't wipe, just pat. And then, you know, or if, you know, sometimes obviously you have to do a little more than padding, but I would just say, increased pressure, right? But actually, don't, don't wipe, right?

Because actually the wiping causes abrasion. So, you know, I don't want to get into too much detail. But all I'm saying is, like, since becoming aware of what makes it bad and what doesn't, it's just made my life so much better. So your boyfriend is just having a happier life in his butt. And this is, this is a joy because itchy butt, itchy but hole is like one of the most horrible experiences,

you know, and it's not the kind of thing where like, oh, my arm is itchy. I can keep scratching it. You keep scratching your ass. Everyone thinks you're a weirdo. You know,

it's not pleasant, right? So that's all that is. Now, there's two, before we go, I think there's two which I would like to play together. One is about men and sports, but then a woman messages in to talk about women and reality TV. So can you play the sport one and the reality TV one together and we'll finish off with that? Okay. This isn't just a male thing, but it's like a mostly male thing.

How is it that men, particularly my boyfriend, are so obsessive? with sports. And I mean every single sport, not just local teams, like all the teams, all the teams in the NFL, all the teams in the college, whatever, basketballs, NCAA, the C, AA, whatever, the NBA, the NHL, the baseball, the golf, the tennis, the, like, how is it? You know everybody, you know you're, like, tracking every game. You're betting on everything. Like, I don't understand. I think of sports. as a lot like reality TV in terms of like how it what it gives you in your life like for me that's my sports right love reality TV all right you asked about guys well I sent in my thing about guys

but girls why do girls love reality TV shows I don't understand why we always are attracted to the drama and we love the drama but then we also hate it in real life as well well, and we get so particular about it, and we pick sides and get upset about it and have so many opinions about it, and then it divides friendships. It's horrible. So why do girls always like reality TV? I would never understand. Thanks. So can you Google, like, because it is a fascinating thing how much women's love for reality TV does to me, seem to mirror male love for sports. And then gay men love reality TV too.

So it's just such an odd. It's a fascinating thing. Like, I guess both of them are improvised dramas. That's what the connective tissue for me is that sport and reality TV are improvised dramas. One just has more editing than the other. What's the, it's a hard one, I know, but it's just, I was kind of fascinated.

Well, the universal line, it seems, between men loving sports and women loving reality TV is escapism being one, like a healthy kind of emotional outlet. Okay. Emotional engagement and social connection, being able to, like, talk about it with others. Wow. See? Sounds so positive. Screaming at your TV. Yeah.

I mean, for me, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, it. I love sport, but like I go through different phases of what I love. But in terms of my love for the New York Mets, for me, it's deep, you know, because I love it. I find it very calming. I love the broadcasting booth of Gary Keith and Ron of the New York Mets. And there's a familiarity to it, which I think is part of it too, that maybe that wonderful synopsis doesn't cover is there's a certain familiarity to it that almost like is calming. You know, it's like, oh, I'm back in this place that I know I'm comfortable in.

right? And then the deeper aspect of the Mets for me was, because I lived in Ireland for so long, it was a way for me to feel connected to flushing still, you know, this place that I was far away from. And also because my grandmother, my Irish grandmother, was obsessed about the Mets. Oh my God, Daryl Strawberry. Daryl just took another whole road. Oh, my God. So, like, she was so obsessed with the Mets that, like, I just feel like it's like part of my genetics, you know? But, you know, I'm not as obsessed with sports as like some guys get. But at the same time, I do think that there's something similar happening when women watch reality TV. So your synopsis is very interesting.

My only problem with reality TV versus sports. And by the way, like I'm not, I don't have any great problem with reality TV. But my problem with reality TV is that because I had the brief stint with Hannah. and I saw like, you know, the dark side of it in terms of the editing and reality TV people never want to hear about the editing. Like, they actually, like, actively resist. Like, sometimes they'll ask me something and I'll be like, oh, well, you know, that actually didn't really happen.

Like, that was just, like, trickery. And they just, like, immediately dismiss that topic, which to me is kind of weird because it's like, I understand that you love this. and like it's fun, but like it's dishonest a lot of the time. But your your passion for it is you're reacting as if this is a very honest portrayal of people's lives. So that's my only issue with reality TV, you know. But I also know that sport can be dishonest. Well, one, it can be fixed, obviously.

But two, it's not fair. Some teams have more money. and, you know, so you're, and also you're just like, you're stupidly passionate about transient players, you know, modern sport. It's like, yeah, I'm talking about the Mets being connected to my identity. But in actual fact, these are all just mercenaries, talented people for hire. And then they come to your team and you hold on to this, you know, undying passion, this devout loyalty to something that is meaningless. So I actually understand both sides of this.

that at their core, it is totally meaningless, you know? And like these people come and go through these reality shows, these players come and go through these teams, and it actually doesn't matter. But I think it's wonderful that it does because it is one of the things that helps us survive the insanity of humanity, or certainly at least whatever, the parts of the world that are relatively wealthy,

in global terms, relatively wealthy that we can enjoy the trivial nature of sport and reality TV to hide from, you know, the mundaneities of life or whatever. I don't want to get too dark about it. But anyway, long and story short, I think it's great that it exists. And I love loving it, even though when I think deeply about it, I realize it's ridiculous. The male versus female part of it will have to get into that some other time, why women are more connected to the drum. But what I will say is that, like, a lot of guys really love the sports drama. I actually hate it.

I just like, I like the team. I like the narratives of triumph, comebacks, underdogs. That's that those are the narratives that I enjoy. I can't stand the gossip. Some of these guys get really into the gossipy narratives of Francisco Indoor didn't get on with Brandon Nimmo. You know, like, oh, it turns out there was a locker room issue. Like, people love that shit. They love that.

And I hate that shit. And that's where I really feel. feel like those two worlds collide in a way where it's like, guys, there's no different street men and women, all right? You know, you love the same shit they love. You just need it to look like it's in the Coliseum rather than the living room. But it's the same shit. But that ain't, that ain't me, bro.

That ain't me. So anyway, that's the end of today's episode. So this will be going out. So my last gigs of this kind of tour, which is actually means that my special is going to drop soon, are Edmonton and Calgary. We've got got to sold out, but there's loads of tickets for Edmonton. So do you want to go check me on in Edmonton? Then immediately after that, I'm getting something done to my knee, which I just discovered.

So we're going to have loads of time to do loads of great episodes. Because not only was I at the dermatologist today, but I was at the orthopedic surgeon today, too. Because I'm all over going to the doctor. So come and check it out. Spread the word about the pod, right? Let your friends know. Let your boyfriends know, right? Maybe it's, maybe they can handle it more, a lot more male voice.

Maybe it doesn't, it doesn't affect their masks. Because, you know, sometimes I think when they, when they listen to like a female focused podcast, they think it's like sitting down when they're peeing. So maybe let them have a listen, see what they think. And so spread the word, message me on Instagram at Desbishop. Leave a comment on Spotify. Leave an Apple podcast comment. And we'll see you next week, everybody.

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