Betrayal - Chelsea | Betrayal Weekly

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

The therapist Chelsea turns to in a moment of crisis, turns out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.  If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail] and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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exact same things that it traumatized me. I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about the people we trust the most and the deceptions that change everything. This is Chelsea's story. Chelsea has a high-profile career, so for this episode, all the names have been changed to protect her anonymity. I really hope that one day I will be in a place where I can present myself publicly and say, look, this is me, this is my real name, this is where I'm really from. Chelsea's been through more abuse than anyone should have to experience. As a child, she was trafficked by her parents.

She says that her experience wasn't like the movies, where she was kidnapped and held against her will. Instead, her mother brought her to adults' homes who groomed and sexually abused her. At the time, her mom worked for a man who was later charged. with multiple counts of child sexual abuse. Chelsea knew she needed to get away from home for good. Education was my escape from home. I got scholarships. I was an amazing student.

I went to every opportunity I could find for any sort of out-of-the-home program, whether that was camps, whether that was college courses over the summer. I used education as my way out. She got a scholarship to college and stopped. talking to her parents. The further away she got from home, the angrier she became about the abuse she experienced as a child. And then there were all those feelings of betrayal of like, what were all of these adults doing? Was there no responsible adult in my life? In order to survive, Chelsea focused on building her own life and outside of home, she not only survived, she excelled. She got an

advanced degree and began a highly competitive, successful career, and she threw herself into work. She says that on the outside, it looked like she had it all together. But on the inside, it was a different story. I was a scared little child walking around in like an optimist prime suit. I think anyone meeting me on the outside just thought, wow, that person has it all together. Like that person is invincible and destructible. Meanwhile, I was just dying. inside. She got married after college, but quickly realized she needed to work on herself and her trauma before she could invest in a successful marriage. My ex-husband and I were very amicably splitting up. And also during that time, I was starting to confront some of these things

that had happened to me when I was younger that were negatively impacting the way I was able to show up in relationships. She started working with a therapist online, processing the abuses from her childhood. And around the same time, she reconnected with an old friend, who were going to call James. James began reaching out. He had also gone through a breakup. And we were kind of just processing this idea of us both having this rebirth of rediscovering ourselves after a long-term relationship.

She and James started talking every day. After a few months, she realized... But there was something there we wanted to explore. It just felt like he was this person who was there the entire time, right under my nose. James really saw her and met her where she was emotionally. One of the things that really drew me to him was just how focused he was on my emotions. It felt really wonderful and it felt really safe and really attentive. and he just had such an incredible way of viewing the world

and was also just very cultured in a way that I hadn't experienced. He gave her access to a world Chelsea idealized, a community of artists who expanded her worldview. James had this whole artistic side to him. He was a visual artist. His medium was kind of like social commentary, photography, but not your typical photography, like a lot of distortions of images.

And I just really appreciated him as an artist. James came from a wealthy family, and he had inherited a large real estate portfolio. It meant his schedule was flexible, and he had a lot of disposable income. So for their third date... I remember him standing there and just saying, this might sound crazy,

but are you doing anything for Thanksgiving? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm estranged from most of my family, so holidays are always kind of a weird time. And he's like, I'm kind of doing a solo thing in New York City. Would you want to fly out with me? And I was like, why not? Let's do this. Our third date was this week-long trip in New York City.

Well, he planned everything. And it was Peter Louvre's Steakhouse and amazing seats at some jazz venue and going and seeing a Broadway production. I only been to New York once before. It was really amazing. He was just showing me New York, and it was pretty incredible. After their week-long third date,

they became a couple. They lived a few hours apart, so on the weekends, they'd go to each other's cities, where James planned elaborate outings. James was really into arts and culture, so we would go to museums and see different musicians or plays,

and it was really fun. Everything just happened so fast. It felt like out of a fairy tale. These dates quickly progressed into a relationship. And Chelsea says that above all, being with him felt so easy, so right. And that was something we would always stay together. This just seemed so easy.

One of Chelsea's friends was married to James' best friend. So right away, they had a community together. But that also meant Chelsea's friend had seen James in prior relationships. She did warn me early on that he had a history of, she described it as being selfish. Early on, Chelsea saw a little bit of that, but she didn't necessarily see it as selfish. It was more overbearing. He was very concerned about my sexual history, frequently asking questions about the identity of my prior partner. the number of fire partners I'd had.

He would ask to go through her phone. She hated that, and it gave her pause about the relationship. So she addressed it with him directly. His reply made her feel better. He said that he started therapy and became very open about his efforts to try to address his insecurities. He started telling me about this therapist he started seeing And it meant a lot for me to hear this level of accountability from someone.

So I was willing to continue to try to explore something with James. Because they both believed in therapy, they started couples counseling together. It was only three months into the relationship, but they both wanted to improve their communication and connection. I was at this place in my life where I was very vulnerable, but also, energized to do the work to heal myself and to have James reflect that back to me was really significant. I was dealing with a lot of personal sexual dysfunction

as a result of digging into my own trauma history and he was very open to hearing about my boundaries. He was very open to try to make our sexual connection a safe place. he had his own sexual dysfunctions, so that was something that we were able to talk about openly. And this was the first relationship I had been in where I was aware of those things for myself, and I was communicating with them, and he was very receptive to that, and that made me feel very safe. They were communicating better than ever.

They were still long distance, but James began staying at her place more often. So James had a key to my house pretty early. I worked really long and crazy hours, so I wanted him to have a key so he could just let himself in and out and had a dog at the time, and he and the dog had really bonded, and it was nice to have him around. When the pandemic started in 2020, their lives officially merged. Neither one of us wanted to be alone through that.

And suddenly, five months into dating, James and I went from living a few hours away to we were living together and me working within 20 feet of him at all times. Now quarantining together with Chelsea working from home, James's controlling behavior returned. As the couple grew closer, James couldn't hide his jealous side. He became more controlling about who she was talking to and why. I work in a fairly male-dominated industry, so most of my colleagues and my team were men. And James was constantly fixated on who I was talking to. He would always ask, what's their story? And I'd say, what does that mean?

They'd say, are they married? I was like, well, I think so, but what does it matter? They work for me. He became almost paranoid, and Chelsea wasn't having it. And I was getting more confident in standing up for my own boundaries around my communication with other people. And frankly, I was just getting sick and tired of feeling constantly monitored by this person. One day they got into a heated argument about his behavior.

He insisted on going through her phone. She refused and locked herself in the bedroom. That's when things escalated even further. James from the other side of the door told me that if I did not come out and speak to him, and if I did not give him full access to my phone, he was going to distribute private images of me to my coworkers. They were photos from early on in their relationship. Photos, James said he would delete.

I spoke to him to the door and was like, you said you deleted those. And he said, well, I didn't. I lied to you about that. He went on to say, they meant a lot to me. you're just so beautiful and I wanted to keep them. And I was livid that he had violated that trust. I was sick of it. The fact that he had just told me that he had images that he didn't have consent to was enough.

I wanted his phone. So I stepped outside that door. I grabbed his phone. I went back inside my bedroom and I locked the door. And I went into it, went back through our messages. found the images and deleted them. And on an iPhone, it's not enough just to delete them, you then have to go to the deleted folder and delete them from there.

So when I was going to the deleted folder, right below the deleted items, there's a folder called the hidden folder. And I'm seeing all sorts of things in this folder. I don't really know how to grasp what I'm seeing, and I can feel myself start. to leave my own body. And I can feel myself,

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going to individual and couples therapy working towards a healthy relationship. But during the pandemic, James' controlling behavior took a dark turn. when he threatened to release nude pictures of Chelsea to her colleagues. Pictures he said he got rid of. When she went into his phone to delete the photos herself, she discovered another folder on his photo app, the hidden folder, which exists on every iPhone, by the way. It's right next to the deleted folder.

The first thing I noticed was a series of photographs of my condo, where it looked like he was documenting or spy. on me that kind of triggered this, oh shit, what the fuck am I looking at, feeling? It looked like he had maybe gone through rooms, placed objects in certain places to see if they were moved between when he was leaving or coming back and forth, and they had date stamps on them. So that was really strange. She kept scrolling through the folder, which had hundreds of images in it. there were whole collections of nude photos of different women.

She recognized some of these women. There were photos of his best friend's wife, the one that was Chelsea's friend, the one that had warned her about James's selfish tendencies. I'm like, God, that looks like her. But why would he have naked photos of his best friend's wife? Why would he have these? Right away,

She called her. I was like, I remember you had a tattoo on your ankle. Which ankle is it on? And she told me. And I was like, he has photos of you. And she was just like, that's not possible. I have never, never, never. And I was like, no, I don't think you sent these to him.

I don't think you sent them. Chelsea sent her friend the photos and she confirmed that yes, they were photos her her husband had taken of her. But she didn't know he shared them with anyone. much less James. And you could just hear, like, the breath come out of her, and she says, I'm going to talk to my husband. Before she hung up, she asked her friend.

Like, there's all sorts of other women in here. Do you know any of these women? And she did. She did. A lot of these were the wives of James' friends. It appeared that James and his male friend group, were exchanging these intimate photos with each other. As Chelsea kept looking through James' hidden folder,

she found something even more disturbing. The other category of images that he had on this phone were dozens of photos of children, young children, two, four, six years old children. they were like little girls in bathing suits. And I don't know if he was taking these at some public park. I don't know if he was taking these off of social media sites.

Some well-meaning parent was posting something. Her mind was racing. Who were these girls? And then she found one particular photo, the photo, the one she'd never be able to unsee. The moment I looked at that photo, I knew. Something was fucking wrong. Something was absolutely raw. Chelsea disclosed what she saw in detail.

It's too disturbing to share here. But what she discovered she clearly believed was CSAM, or child sexual abuse material with a girl's face cropped out. Everything in me just told me, especially in the context of where this was kept. With all of the other images, I was like, this is 100% something he is sexually interested in and I did not know how to handle that.

She was having an out-of-body experience looking at these photos. But at the same time, she was still in her apartment, with James on the other side of the door screaming for his phone back. I'm just like, I can't do that. He threatened me. Can't do that. And he can tell. I'm my voice.

He can tell. And I open the door and I tell him, you need to leave. I've seen something. I've seen something. Scared of him and unsure of what to do next, she gave him back the phone. She didn't tell him that she recorded anything. So he left in a rage,

and Chelsea quickly locked the door behind him. But then he spends the entire drive back, calling me over and over and over again, and yelling and raging and saying, I'm going to turn you into the police. You took something from my phone. What you just did is illegal. You better delete everything.

And I was just like, look, I'm not talking about this. I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. And finally, I just turned my phone off. And I tried to sleep. When she woke up, her first thought was that picture. The one with the child's face cropped out. My mind went in a million directions as to why he would have this.

but I couldn't identify who the kid was. Did someone take this photo and then he just somehow found it? Or did he take it? Day after day, the photo was all she could think about. She talked with an attorney and described the image, but he confirmed one of her fears, that the image might not meet the standards needed for an arrest. It was right on the edge.

A month after the discovery, James agreed to a joint counseling session. They hadn't seen each other or talked since their father. She was also She wanted the support of a mandated reporter, and she wanted to confront him there in a neutral environment to see if he'd confessed to more. On top of all that, she was also trying to understand something

that was just incomprehensible. This is part of my trauma, too. My go-to coping mechanism is denial and rationalization, and I think I wanted a reason for this not to be what I thought it was. It might sound naive, but part of her still couldn't believe this was real. She started by asking James about the photos of his friend's wives. I said, why do you have these? Do you have permission to have these?

Did she know and consent to having these photos? He looked at me and he said, I don't need her consent. It's his property. He took that photo. It's his property to share with me. and I wanted to puke hearing that. It was clear that he had thought about this extensively and that he knew how to operate just under the radar.

Finally, at the end of their session, she asked about the photos of children and that one photo in particular. And so, in the presence of the couples counselor, I pulled out my phone and I showed him that image and I said, what the fuck is this? When I handed the phone to him with the child image, the tension in that room was just, was wild.

You saw him immediately start to shake. His hand started shaking. He immediately said, that is not a crime. There is no penetration. That is not illegal. He just kept repeating that. He instantly just went into she stole things off of my phone. I'm going to prosecute her.

for that. And at that point, he just said, I'm going to have to go talk to my attorney about your theft of information from my phone. And he left. He just got out and left. She sat there stunned. Chelsea and the therapist sat in silence as they waited for James's car to leave the parking lot. Why did he even bother to come that day? Chelsea has a theory. Looking back, I think he was trying to figure out what I knew because he knew I found something and he didn't know what I knew. And I think he was doing this to try to protect himself. Her relationship with James was over,

but it was only the beginning of a horrible dilemma for Chelsea. She grappled with reporting him to the police, but she was worried that she didn't have enough evidence. I felt like what I had wasn't going to be enough. This is right on the cusp. And if I report James, what is going to happen to me? Chelsea was afraid of James's wealthy, well-connected family. She was also thinking of the legal threats he made and the threats about releasing photos of her.

But more than that, she was afraid to report and have nothing happen at all. It took her back to the way she felt as a child. When I saw these images on James' phone, it took me back to being those children. And it was so hard not to think. about what those children might have been experiencing if they were being abused. And I can report this person to the police, but is anything going to happen? And can I emotionally handle that? Can I emotionally handle having nothing happen as a result of it?

Because unfortunately, that was the childhood thing that was playing out. I understand where Chelsea is coming from. If you've listened to Season 2 of betrayal, you heard Ashley Lytton's story, of how her husband had over 1,000 images of CSAM in his hidden folder. But he served less than a year. These cases are wildly under-prosecuted. And with only one image as evidence, Chelsea's concerns were valid or rather realistic. But that didn't change her feeling of moral obligation to the girl in the photo and victims like her.

My biggest priority at that point was protecting this particular little girl. She knew if she was going to report James, she needed professional support to get there. I knew I was going to need a lot of therapy, and that's how I'm about Eric. Eric was a therapist who checked all the boxes and then some. In fact, he'd been a prosecutor on sex crimes before he went into counseling.

There were no red flags I could have seen with Eric. On paper, he seemed like the perfect therapist. but she would soon find out he wasn't. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel. We are from the How to Money podcast, and every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money, we're here to give you the tools and advice to help you make it happen.

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and she needed a safe place like Eric's office. to process her trauma, starting with her childhood abuse. Working with Eric, he was able to help me accept some of these bigger terms that I was uncomfortable with. Terms like trafficking and incest. Like, is this the right term? I started seeing Eric to have that space to unpack the sexual abuse trauma and was just very early stages of unpacking that.

At the same time, she was haunted by the images she'd seen on James' phone. It became all-consuming. I couldn't close my eyes at night and not see these children. I just kept fixating on who is this child. Because Eric had been a prosecutor, she trusted his perspective.

And Eric wasn't so sure she should report James. In fact, he worried she was taking on too much personal responsibility. And one thing Eric would tell me all the time was Chelsea, you can't solve this. You are not Batman. You can't figure this out. Since they broke up, James deleted all of his social media.

She heard through the grapevine. He was saying he'd been hacked. But Chelsea suspected it could be related to what she saw on his phone. She worried that while she waited to report him, he could be deleting or destroying evidence. And Eric helped her understand the pathology of people like James. Eric would talk to me about these types of individuals, these types of predators.

He would talk about their behaviors. His exact quote was, every once in a while, they freak out and purge, but they eventually go back to doing it. After two months of working with Eric, Chelsea felt ready to report James. She began to see it as the only way out. I thought that maybe if I could face these things now,

maybe that would make the nightmares if the kids stop. But Eric dug in. He still wasn't sure reporting was the right decision for Chelsea. When I started saying that I really felt like I needed to turn James in, Eric was encouraging me not to let go of the relationship. Eric felt like Chelsea wasn't properly grieving and moving on from her relationship with James. and that by fixating on these photos, she was trying to stay connected to him somehow.

One night, it just hit her. She knew who the girl in the photo could be. This image that's been haunting me, there's no face. But the ages are the right ages. James did have a friend with two young daughters. Chelsea hadn't put those pieces together before, so she did some internet sleuthing. I turned Facebook on.

I went on these parents' Facebook profile and couldn't believe what I saw. I was like, that's it. It's got to be this kid. The ages of the right age, the cabinetry looks the same is like in these photos that are showing up. I'm full on Facebook detective at this point.

This could be that same house, same wall color, same cabinets. This has got to be it. James had access to these kids. If this was the girl in the photo, reporting him felt more urgent than ever. Despite Eric's advice, Chelsea had made up her mind. I called my lawyer. I'm like, I got to report this. And he helped set up a meeting with a detective in the town that James lived,

who was the head of the internet crimes against children task force. And we set up a meeting for that following Monday. After she set the meeting, she went to her regular therapy appointment with Eric. and she felt empowered. I remember sitting there with Eric saying things are going to change. I'm going to identify. I'm going to know. The next time I'm in a room with a person like this, I'm going to know.

I'm going to know it. I'm going to know everything about this person. I'm going to be able to pick them out of a room. And I remember Eric was really uncomfortable. Eric ended her session early that day. Chelsea planned to prepare for the meeting with police in her next therapy session. And I remember going to go, nose office and I was

hyped. Like I had my narrative partially written. I was like, I'm going to do this. But on the day of that therapy session, Eric wasn't there. He was never late. I usually, when I pulled in, I would park next to his car. The car wasn't there. Ten minutes go by.

I'm looking at the receptionist. They're like, this is really weird. We can't get a hold of him. She's calling. She's like, the phone. going straight to voicemail. I don't understand what's happening. They said, we're going to get another clinician. Just please wait. This was her last session before she finally went to the police. She really needed guidance. So another therapist from the practice agreed to see Chelsea that day. And I was like, something is wrong. Eric is never late. Our last session was kind of weird.

I felt like maybe I made him uncomfortable. And I could tell by the way she was responding to me too. she was like something's not right either. I could sense it. And I started telling her what happened. I was like, this is what I've been dealing with. Eric was telling me not to do it. Like I needed to like grieve this relationship that doing this was just going to like let it perpetuate on.

I wasn't going to need a closure. She's like, no, you're doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing. After that session, she finally reported James. That Monday morning I got up. I met with the detective and we had a three-hour recorded interview. I showed him everything. Told him the same story that I'm telling you now.

He was so validating. And he said he told me, he's like, this isn't contraband, but it is absolutely wrong. And you were doing absolutely the right thing by reporting it. But I want to manage your expectations. There are things I can try to do, but this by itself isn't enough. And I was like, I know.

That's why it's taken me so long. to get here. At the end of their meeting, the detective assured her that they do everything they could. She left the station relieved. It had been a difficult and draining day. But the day was far from over. So I got my car, went back home to where I lived. I have been in my house for less than 15 minutes. I've literally walked in the door, gone to the bathroom, opened to La Croy. And then she saw an email come in from her therapist's office. And it says I'm receiving this letter because I'm a client of Eric's and that they were notified that he was arrested

and that he was immediately terminated and they were reaching out to me to facilitate continued care. One of the last things it says is any questions related to the status of Eric may be directed towards and they provide a detective's name in the phone number. And I'm like, oh, my question. God, I already knew.

Everything in my body knew what had happened. She went to the court records website and typed in Eric's name. I see possession of child pornography. I am looking at this mugshot of this person. And this is a person I have just spent the last several months with in the most intimate and trusting of a relationship. I shared things with this person. I had never said out loud before,

and I am looking at a photo of his face being charged with the exact same things that it traumatized me. Just sat there, staring at the screen, just feeling like I wanted to tear my skin off. Thinking about every detail, I told this person, and then thinking that they were sexually aroused by these things. Then she pulled up the police report,

and what she read there was a nightmare. They seized all of his electronic equipment. They found thousands of videos. And the descriptions, are horrific. She replayed all the things he'd said in sessions with her. Then thinking about all of those things he told me, about how a predator would behave.

I'm like, he was telling me about his own behavior. And I started vomiting. The person she'd turned to in this situation would be a therapist. I didn't know what to do next. There were so many layers of things I had to. process. I could not have told this story to a worse person. For the first time in her life, she took a leave of absence from work. When Eric got arrested, I just hit an emotional rock bottom. And I realized my coping mechanisms don't work anymore. I can't outperform this. During this time,

mental health was her main priority. She started group therapy, which proved to be healing. I needed a room of people to say, that's fucked up. That shouldn't happen. I needed to see that outrage from someone. And what we called it in my program was reality checking. You need the validation. That whole like, wow, this feels really wrong. Would this be wrong to you?

And people are like, yeah, that would be really wrong. While she was working on stabilizing herself, she got an update from the police about her report on James. They didn't have enough to arrest. arrest him, but the police had done a knock and talk. When they told him that someone observed a concerning image of a child on his phone, he said, it didn't come from my phone, and if it did, it wasn't illegal. And then this is the really telling thing.

He asked the police officer if they're prosecuting me for taking stuff off of his phone. As far as Chelsea knows, that's the only outcome of her report. So to this day, this guy will stand out there and scream that he, he was in this relationship with this crazy woman who's trying to ruin his life. And, you know, that I was the bad guy. As for Eric, he pled guilty to distributing child sexual abuse material and was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison. That same year, Chelsea decided to move across the country and start over.

It ended up taking about four years before I was able to confidently say that these things happened and not doubt myself, not blame myself, not think that this is my fault or my responsibility. And today? I'm really proud to say I have created the life I've always dreamed of. And I'm glad that every day now going forward is better than any day that I've had before this happened. So there's a rebirth in it. We end all of our weekly episodes with the same question. Why did you choose to tell your story? The reason I reached out is I was just so inspired by the stories that were shared. I was so inspired listening to other survivors.

And the ability to retell this story and release it is so significant. And I hope that someone else hearing this feels empowered to do the same. These kinds of things only exist in a world of silence. in denial. And I hope by breaking my silence, it allows someone else to feel empowered to break their own. Whether they got a conviction,

whether the police took it seriously, whether their abuser acknowledged it, whether their family believed it. It doesn't make it your fault. It happened, and it was never your fault. On the next episode of betrayal. This is the person I was seeing, I'm in four years.

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