Betrayal - Him or Me | Stacey's Story

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

With Justin behind bars, the Rutherford family tries to move forward. But grief and anxiety loom large. Meanwhile, Justin plots a way out of jail with the help of an unlikely accomplice – his elderly godmother.  If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail] See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I remember sitting there crying and I was like, this child who you called yours, this is the child that you loved so much and you went him burned in a barrel? How disgusting. I'm Andrea Gunning. This is Betrayal Season 3, Episode 4. him or me. Dr. Justin Rutherford never expected to be incarcerated. He seemed genuinely surprised to be in jail. Stacey and her family had moved back to the Virginia area to be closer to family and friends.

Justin's godmother, Nanny D, had done the same. He wrote frequent letters to Nanny. She looked after him as a child and had always been there for him as an adult. She did not believe the accusations against him. He shared his complaints with her about the lack of amenities in jail. The only chairs here are hard, as well as the beds. And this is probably TMI, but the diet they give us caused me the worst constipation. It really makes things terrible.

Once Tyler came forward, the Berks County District Attorney's Office was able to build a strong case against Justin. There was a good chance he could be sentenced to decades in jail, and that was largely because of what Tyler was able to share during his forensic interview. I don't remember if it was Detective Fick or Weaver. One of them I had spoken to and they said they were so proud of Tyler because they had never seen a child or heard a child give such a detailed interview as far as how much information he recalled. As a trial date drew closer, Justin's letters to family and friends grew more frenzy.

Nanny, call around to some of the lawyers below. Explain my charges and deal I was offered, which is basically 15 to 30, or open plea. See if they think they could do better. And see if they would do pro bono or reduced fee due to money already spent on current lawyer. Justin's father had an adopted daughter. Justin wrote to her. It's been a while since we have spoken. I miss you and the fam so much.

I feel like we were the closest. And you came to visit regularly. I am curious what you think of all of this shit. This is a compliment. You were always the shadiest in our group of siblings. And I was wondering, If you still have contacts into the shady realm, send me the answer through text on the tablet. But don't mention the question as everything is recorded through text and phone.

If the answer is yes, I will send you another letter with more info. Please, keep this between us, please. On the contrary, if you think I'm a piece of shit who deserves to be here, just ignore this letter. She ignored it. Nanny, however, stayed in regular contact with Justin, and he sent her many letters from jail like this. I can't live life knowing.

I won't be able to be with my kids until they are adults, that I was a failure and not given a chance at redemption. And honestly, if it comes down to it, I guess I'll have to take the pain away myself. I don't want it to end that way, but I literally can't do it. I'm not strong enough to serve so long. Justin was doing anything he could to get out of the Berks County Jail where he was awaiting trial. Tyler was in a kind of jail as well, a jail that Justin had built.

When the abuse was going on, that was just, just my normal day-to-day life. I didn't think much of it. It was just how things went, and it was expected to happen. It wasn't a shock. I was used to it. I was trained.

And I finally had time to, like, deal with all those motions away from Justin. It was, like, my first time actually trying to get through it all instead of just, like, be numb to it or whatnot. All the emotions, they just flood into your mind, flood into your body. It's just overwhelming, over stimulating.

Anything is going to set you off. It's like you have a short fuse. At least it was for me. Stacey wanted to do something nice for the kids to get away from the whole mess at home, so she took them to Disney World. It's called the happiest place on Earth. But for Tyler, it was anything but.

Everyone smile on their faces And like in my head it was a completely different atmosphere It was like I was in a different spot Like stranger things How they have the upside down That's where I was I mean I was in the same place But in my mind I was in a different atmosphere

A few nights I was just sitting on the balcony by myself While everyone was inside I just wanted to jump Because we were about like four or five stories up Like, I didn't really want to, but I guess I just, I didn't see another way to stop the anxiety. It was so bad. I was just like a way to switch it off and no going back. At Disney, Tyler started fearing for his little brother and sister.

The lines, throngs of people everywhere, he still carries that with him. I just, I worry with the littles being in public. I hate when they run off. I don't like them being more than like a foot from me, but I just worry so much. I don't know if it's fear of them getting hurt, fear of somebody taking them, but when they're in public, I want them to be raped by either me or my mom's side and nowhere else. He appreciated his mom trying to show the kids a good time after all they'd been through. But the anxiety was unrelenting, punishing.

It followed Tyler when he was awake, asleep, it didn't matter. Tyler had a great therapist, but that weekly meeting was no match for the pervasive thoughts that plagued him 24-7. I definitely struggled with both depression and anxiety, but to me, anxiety was my killer. They just seemed like there was no way to get by it. This was about a week after the Disney trip. I was at school. It was just a normal day, and I started out of it. some pretty bad anxiety. I would say more so like a panic attack, like my heart was beating really fast and the thoughts were just going left and right in my head going crazy,

and I just couldn't shake it no matter what I did. It was terrible. It lasted all the way until I got back home. I'm like, damn it, I'm 10 hours into this and it's just getting worse and worse. So I decided I was going to take matters into my own hands that day. I wanted to kill myself, but I didn't want my family to know I tried to do that or hurt them. So I tried to make it look natural, like a heart attack, and down like a whole tub of pre-workout, gym, energy drinks, and whatnot. You're usually supposed to take like a scoop. Like two scoops is too much, and your heart's going crazy. So I wouldn't say I down the whole tub, but I definitely tried it down as much as I could in a short period of time. And that just made it even worse. So the

point where it literally felt like my heart was going to come out of my chest. Like, I thought I was dying. So I called my sister. I got the phone call. It was a FaceTime video from him. He's crying and he's like, I'm scared. My chest feels funny. And he's like, I took something. I made him stay on the phone with me. And EMS got there, mom got there. They sent the paramedics. They said I was all right.

I would just have a very fast heart rate for a while. It was all the caffeine. They took him to the hospital, and then that's when he got admitted. Tyler was admitted into a mental health facility in Virginia with a reputable youth program. Not only did Justin ruin his childhood. but now he doesn't even want to live on this earth.

I felt like he had took enough from him. And I think that's what made me angry, is he knew how much my kids meant to me. If Tyler would have died, I say I probably would have just jump with him because I don't know how parents live without their kids. I stayed there for, I think, about eight days, and the whole time just went through therapy. The inpatient program gave him helpful strategies to deal with his anxiety.

They gave us a bunch of papers and handouts to keep. It had like good coping mechanisms on there. I kept that paper and took it with me wherever I went. Tyler recognized his treatment as an opportunity. You just got to want it because there's definitely kids in there who didn't want it and therefore didn't help them like it did me. Like I know a kid who said he'd been in and out of them for like six years and then after you go so many times they make you stay longer and longer

and he was telling me his last day in one was like nine months so I saw that and took that as a sign that I need to learn what I need to learn and get out of here and go live my life. Tyler was determined to make strides in his mental health. He didn't want this to be the rest of her. his life. I honestly thought it was like a good break from life. Like I actually enjoyed it because it was just calm and it helped teach me a lot. Tyler told me that he still has some rough patches and weeks of feeling bad, but he's doing much better and suicide doesn't enter his mind anymore.

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There was a special day Stacey's whole family was looking forward to, the August 2023 wedding of Stacey's eldest daughter, Michaela, to her longtime boyfriend, Tommy. There was a lot of joy leading up to the wedding, but it was also a time of reflection. Justin's absence was deeply felt. Even with the knowledge of his crimes, Michaela was like his daughter.

She called Justin Dad. She felt cheated. For Father's Day one year, I said, when I'm old enough and find the right man who loves me the way that you do, will you walk me down the aisle? Some nights, we would be planning and I would cry. It's like a missing piece, but also like, I don't want that piece here. Michaela walked a fine line between feeling excitement for her big day and respecting the grief around her.

It was hard for me to be truly happy with it, like, oh, I'm getting married. because everyone around me is miserable. And here I am like, oh, what color do you want to wear to my wedding? When the day finally came, the whole family rose to the occasion. Just talking about it makes Stacey emotional. Michaela's wedding was beautiful in August. There was so much joy that day,

and that was a day that was going to be really hard for me, that ended up not, not at all. And that was, I can 100% say a God thing, because, you know, it just, it was a beautiful day. They were all dressed beautifully. They danced. Michaela and Tommy are a great couple. It was a celebration of them, of family, of survival, of making it this far.

For a window of a weekend, I think we just forgot about things. Like, I would have just loved to live in that weekend at Michaela's wedding because that was our first time where we just had fun. We didn't think about it. We didn't talk about it. Today's a day I'd be joyful and new beginnings. And there's a lot missing that day, but there was also so much more. While the family reveled in a new chapter of love, Justin continued stewing in jail. A trial was just months away now. He knew he couldn't stay there.

He organized his thoughts and came up with three strategies to avoid prison. Options one, two, and three. Option one had been mentioned in his letters with both Stacey and Nanny. The option was suicide, though Stacey didn't fall for Justin's threats to take his life. It probably hurt Nanny much more. Option two was mentioned, but still vague. We'll return to that later. And then there was option three, persuading Tyler to recant his statement to detectives.

Dear Nanny, thank you for trying option three. if you could please try to continue to push for him to drop it here's why I can't go to trial and they say there's too much evidence it is true that I did the camera I have an issue with voyeurism it's true please keep this to yourself finally an admission that he did put the camera in the house

the camera is basically what screwed me because there is no evidence otherwise for the rape charges. I do swear to you, Nanny, that I never raped anyone. So basically, I should be serving maybe a year for my true crimes, but instead may end up serving much more. I'm not going to lie. I got myself in a pickle, but please don't let me serve time that is unjust. This is hard to stomach. I got myself in a pickle as something you say when you make plans with two different friends on the same night.

Not a phrase when you use to describe these kinds of charges. He continues. I would be institutionalized and have no way to ever retire. It's literally the worst ending to my life I could imagine. Please keep trying option three because we're approaching the line of no return. Love Justin. Sergeant Fick found the relationship between Nanny D. and Justin puzzling. I listened to a lot of jailhouse calls from her and Justin.

Their communication did not sound like an aunt and nephew or godmother and godson. I mean, there's times they talk like their husband and wife. I was confused by that. I know she supports Justin. He has a lot of people fooled him's family. Meg McCallum, the lead assistant district attorney of Berks County, was busy preparing for trial. She was assigned to prosecute the case. I have been specifically doing sexual assault prosecution for 10 and a half years now. When it comes forward, these families are devastated because unfortunately, nine times out of 10, what we were seeing is that it was

somebody very close, if not a family member who has committed these crimes against these children. It is hard because there's that part of them that you love, that you have grown a relationship, grown this family with. It's not all bad. And it's similar with domestic violence victims where the cycle just kind of keeps going because he was doing good, kind, helpful things. and those parts of him that were not hidden were the good parts, and were probably genuinely good to them. But he obviously had this side that nobody would have anticipated.

Nobody would have expected him to do where he was raping this little boy since he was tiny. ADA McCallum pointed out that there are times when these cases can't be prosecuted. Sometimes I have to make the hard decision where I don't believe a child is going to be able to make it through the process or I just don't think that we're going to be able to get a beyond the reasonable doubt verdict. And so sometimes those cases are not approved. That's actually probably the hardest thing that I have to do because then I have to tell that family it's not the time for this. And what about Tyler? Could he make it through a trial? There was no question based on my review of his interview and his discussions.

with my detectives, and even when I met him at the preliminary hearing, he was going to be okay. And what if Justin got what he wanted? And Tyler didn't testify? If Tyler didn't cooperate and if Tyler wasn't willing to testify in this case at a trial, we would not be able to convict Justin Rutherford of the crimes for his conduct against Tyler. In Pennsylvania specifically, I have to call child victims to testify unless there is some of evidence where it's videotaped or something like that or somebody witnesses it in order to sustain my convictions. And so because sexual offenses occur secretly, they happen for a very long time. We have almost no evidence ever other than the victim's own words. Their words

become the most important thing for the prosecution. The district attorney's office had solid evidence against Justin. They believed he needed to be held accountable for his crimes and kept off the streets. So they made a plea offer. Justin found the offer unacceptable. Dear Nanny, I am so sad that you want me to take this deal. I don't understand how you think it is okay for me to be in here for 15, 30 years. Do you think I'm guilty? Do you not believe me? I mean, I know it's not your fault I'm in here, but I thought you would do everything you could to prevent this injustice.

I don't know how you sit there idly by and watch as he takes everything, not just from me, but you and the kids. He takes everything? The he is Tyler. The he is a 16-year-old boy who has just lost everything. According to Justin, Tyler was doing this to him, to Nanny D. and the kids. And Nanny wasn't doing anything about it. I lost my wife, house, car, job.

If I took this deal, I would not only lose my kids since I would not be out until they were adults, but I would lose my career. I would never practice medicine again. If they had my DNA or an eyewitness, but literally, they have nothing. If Justin thought nothing of Tyler's testimony, why was he trying so hard to have him recant? You always said you would do anything for me.

You could negotiate other terms such as money, treatment, etc. I'll complete treatment and never contact him if he recants and doesn't testify. I know I'm putting you in a difficult spot and it's not something I like to do, but Nanny, this is not fair and you know it. I am backed into a corner with nowhere to go. I just can't take the pain of not being there for you. And the kids, the pain of being labeled, you know what, the pain of losing my reputation, career, and the pain of being a failure, bad father. In these letters, Justin emotionally torments his godmother nanny. He uses suicide and dying as a negotiation tactic.

The blood would be on her hands. Justin must have thought that would work on nanny. He knew... New Year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt, and I'm Joel. We are from the How to Money podcast, and every week we help you to spend smarter, save more, and make sense of what's going on out there. If you want 2026 to be the year you finally feel in control of your money,

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then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. She really loved him. Time was running out for Justin.

His court date was approaching. He realized that option three, persuading Tyler to recant, was not going to happen. He didn't seem too eager to pull the trigger on option one, taking his own life. He was ready to deploy option two. He wrote to Nanny. Even the Bible is full of God smiting one's enemies. For example, David versus Goliath. At this point, you have to choose a side.

It's either me or him. He should have known that the police monitored his communication, but at that point, he didn't seem to care. He was done being reasonable. I really need you to do this, and I mean ASAP. Look, I have tried every other way. I'm not saying you have to do it personally. Was he really suggesting what I think he is suggesting?

I am done fucking around. The offer they gave me is the same as this 23-year-old kid who stabbed his mother 60-plus times. All because of stories that were made up after the camera thing went down. He even suggested this. Go downtown Martinsburg and look for a dream. Ruggy. Just get it done. Offer less than 10,000. Pay after cash. Any old druggie would do to kill Tyler. Remember, this man was a doctor. Justin always told Nanny he loved her and would look after her in his letters, but he seemed

quite willing to risk her freedom. Nanny, I am asking you. to trade your few remaining years for My 40 plus. That is, if you do it. Obviously, talk to no one else and ask for a lawyer immediately, if questioned. And if she could find a willing assassin, he offered guidance on the best time to approach the target. I recommend after work, but you do it how you wish. this is not the road I wanted but it is the one that must be taken

it's either that or me in case Nanny wasn't taking the suicide threat to heart he concluded the letter with his own obituary 33 year old male with so much potential good doctor good father wrongfully accused survived. Nanny wasn't going to find someone to kill Tyler. He would take the matter into his own hands and find someone on the inside. What was Justin offering? Money, of course. Other inmates probably thought he was rich since he was a doctor. He just basically said, you know, when I get out of here, I'll make sure that you're comfortable.

Justin would do anything, anything to save himself. The details were all in the affidavit of probable cause. The affidavit says, Rutherford wrote down the victim's address, his schedule, the car he operates, his interests, and other personal identifying information. Rutherford also drew a floor plan of the victim's residence. It continues. Through the use of covert recording devices, investigators were able to intercept communications

Rutherford made while incarcerated at Berks County Jail System. During this interception, investigators heard Rutherford discuss having the victim murdered. During the interception, Rutherford stated that a Monday night after 7 p.m. would be the best time, as it is dark and no one else would be home. Rutherford stated to use gloves, and to wear layers of clothing, so no DNA is found. Rutherford stated, as soon as you knock him out, it's painless and no evidence. The affidavit also contained Justin's instructions for disposing the body. Rutherford also stated that the victim could be buried in the forest somewhere.

Rutherford also stated that the victim could be burned in a barrel, as this would be like a cremation and is also a good way to get rid of any evidence. It was all on tape. Sergeant Fick had suspected that Justin wouldn't just try to persuade his godmother nanny. When we got possession of the jailhouse letters, I wanted to arrest him for that. At that point, we were told, they felt we needed more. I went to other state prisons and interviewed individuals that were cellmates and on the block with Justin. and they all told me that's all he would talk about.

But the good news is we did have the chance to use an informant to obtain information how he wanted to have Tyler killed. They caught a break. Another prisoner whose release date was near came forward. He was disturbed by Justin's persistent solicitation of him to kill Tyler when he was released. At first, the informant didn't believe Justin. He thought he was joking because when you're in there, you have nothing else to do. You're going to blow steam off.

I wish he was dead. I get it. But he went too far. He did not just say, I wish he was dead or, you know, I wish someone would kill him. He actually gave details, giving him a layout of the home, what it looks like, Tyler's interests, and you'll explain different scenarios on how to kill him, make sure that there's no evidence. He stepped way over that line. Justin knew the layout of the home where Tyler was living, the nights he worked, where his room was in the new house.

How? In the last episode, Stacey explained that she allowed the littles to send and receive letters from Justin in jail. But there was more. Stacey also permitted Justin to have video calls with them. That's how he drew the map. The kids video chatted and wanted to show him their new house. you know, you thought you were doing the right thing. You know, what could it harm letting him talk to the little ones?

But then the whole time he was like plotting this stuff in the back. Stacey didn't want Tyler to be in the house during these calls. I would say Tyler's not home this night. He's got to work. That'd be a great night for you to call. So like he knew his work schedule because of that. I never thought twice about, oh my God, I just told him that he's at work. detectives drove down to Stacy's home from Berks County to tell her about Justin's plot in person.

I remember sitting there crying and I was like, this child who you called yours, this is the child that you loved so much and you went and burned in a barrel. How disgusting. He knew how much my kids mean to me. And you were okay taking that. You were okay taking another thing from me. You were okay taking another thing from me. You were okay taking. another thing from your two children, their brother. It was sick to think that the person that loved him so much was willing to get rid of him to save his own self. So from that point on, I slept with a loaded gun next to my bed. I mean, I was going to shoot to kill if he was coming after me and my kids. When Tyler would come home from work, I would stay up and wait, especially on Monday nights,

because it was supposed to be done on a Monday night. Monday nights were really bothersome for me. But I couldn't stop for the longest time waiting up and watching for him to come in. Justin thought he was smarter than everyone, but he wasn't smarter than the Berks County detectives. They planted a recording device and captured evidence of his plans to kill Tyler. Justin had exhausted his options, and option one seemed more like a ruse to manipulate nanny.

Now, Assistant District Attorney Meg McCallum had a new option of her own, and it was one Justin probably never saw coming. Charges were brought against Justin Rutherford for a solicitation to commit a murder, specifically of Tyler. And I legally and ethically believe that we had sufficient evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. On the next episode of betrayal, Stacey and Tyler finally get their day in court. I wanted to look at him because I wanted him to see my face when I was reading what I said to him. And Justin's words shock everyone. It had nothing to do with your age. I mean, love can strike you at any point.

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