Betrayal - Introducing: American Homicide

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Introducing American Homicide. Betrayal host Andrea Gunning, speaks with American Homicide host Sloane Glass about the brand-new podcast.  American Homicide explores mysterious and iconic murder cases from across America. Whether it’s the spacious skies and vast deserts of New Mexico or the backwaters of the Louisiana Bayou, these murders are connected to their settings. Journalist Sloane Glass leads you through each crime with interviews from the victim's family and investigators.   Please take a moment to listen and subscribe to American Homicide by clicking here. You will find American Homicide on the iHeartApp, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you want to listen to episodes one week early and ad-free, you can sign up for iHeartTrueCrime+, exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Thank you for listening! American Homicide  S1: E1 – The Father’s Day Murders, Part 1 On Father’s Day 2011, Cherie Ortiz discovered her parents and brother brutally murdered in their home in the quiet village of El Rancho, New Mexico. In the first episode of American Homicide, journalist Sloane Glass unravels the shocking crime that devastated a close-knit community and ignited a search for answers.    To reach out to the American Homicide team, please email us at [e-mail].  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sometimes where a crime took place leads you to answer why the crime happened in the first place. Hi, I'm Sloane Glass, host of the new True Crime podcast, American Homicide. In this series, we'll examine some of the country's most infamous and mysterious murders, and learn how the location of the crime becomes a character in the story. location of the crime becomes a character in the story. Listen to American Homicide on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. From the Scopes Monkey Trial to O.J. Simpson, trials have always made us reflect on the world we live in.

I'm Mira Hayward, and my podcast, History on Trial, will explore fascinating trials from American history. Join me in revealing the true story behind the headlines and discover how the legal battles of the past have shaped our present. Listen and subscribe to History on Trial, now on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. It's been 30 years since the horror began. 9-1-1, what's your emergency? He said he was gonna kill me. In the 1990s, the tourist town of Domino Beach became the hunting ground of a monster. We thought the murders had ended, but what if we were wrong? Come back to Domino Beach. I'll be waiting for

you. Listen to the murder years season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi Betrayal Family, it's Andrea Gunning. I want to introduce you to a new weekly true crime show that our team at Glass podcast has just launched. It's called American Homicide and is hosted and produced by my colleague Sloane Glass, who I have here today. Hi Sloane. Hi Andrea. You guys may not know this, but Sloane worked on season two of Betrayal. So she's very close to the Betrayal team.

Yeah, it feels very close to my heart. I mean, the highlight for me working on Betrayal was interviewing Aveya for the show. I'd admired her for a long time as a listener, and then getting the opportunity to sit down with her, that felt so special. You know, I think you guys did an incredible job, and they were in great hands with you. I'm so curious, what made you want to take on a project like American Homicide?

What I really love about American Homicide is how immersive it is. It's not just a retelling, it's a reexamination of infamous true crime stories through firsthand accounts. You are hearing from law enforcement who was behind the investigations. You are hearing from lawyers. You are hearing from judges. You are hearing from victims and their friends and family. And I think what makes it so significant and special

really plays off of when you are covering a story, it can be the same crime in a different location and it will have a totally different impact depending on the community. I learned this as a local news reporter and later as a national news reporter that you are dealing with very different circumstances wherever you are in the country. When a crime takes place in, let's say, a small town, what comes to mind for me in my personal experience as a journalist, I think of in Delphi, Indiana,

there was a case that had gone cold for six years. Two girls had been killed, and it was a town of 1,300 people. That's different from when a crime like that happens in a city. The first story that we have in American Homicide, it made me feel that same way. So on the feed, we're sharing an episode of American Homicide called The Father's Day Murders. Can you tell us a little bit about what happens? The episode is called The Father's Day Murders.

Now, you just have to imagine it's Father's Day. You go to your parents' house for dinner, you open the door, and you find your mom, dad, and brother beaten to death. And that's what happened to a woman in the small town of El Rancho, New Mexico. The main suspect for a substantial amount of time was the daughter who had found her family.

It just leaves you wondering, what was going on here? Someone must know something. And they're in the community. And they're in the community. And this is a woman who had to fight to find answers to what exactly happened to her family. And meanwhile, everyone is looking at her like she was involved. And meanwhile, everyone is looking at her like she was involved. I'm so excited for this series, Sloan. You're phenomenal. The storytelling is fantastic. The episodes that I have heard, you are just at every twist and turn,

just on the edge of your seat. And I don't doubt that the betrayal audience is going to love it. So without further ado, here's American Homicide, Father's Day Murders, part one. It was Father's Day 2011 when Shari Ortiz walked into her parents' home and found the bodies of her mother and father. They had been shot in the head and it had occurred sometime earlier in the day.

I just walked in their house and everybody was shot in the f***ing head. The brutality was unspeakable. The hunt to find the killer would tear the community apart and devastate Cherie. I really do have hope this is going to get solved. My name is Sloane Glass. I'm a journalist who covered the Long Island serial killer, the Delphi, Indiana murders, and many other high profile true crime cases. And now I'm the host of American Homicide, a podcast where we take you across the country

to investigate some of America's deadliest crimes. We'll explore how these murders are shaped by their unique landscapes, and how these tragedies have shaped the fabric of these American communities forever. Today, we're in the tiny village of El Rancho, New Mexico, for part one of the Father's Day Murders on American Homicide. As a note, this podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable for all audiences. Discretion is advised. Let me paint a picture for you. Santa Fe, New Mexico is called the city different for its rich culture and diverse community.

Native American ancestries blend with Spanish culture in a state with one of America's richest landscapes. Northern New Mexico in particular, it's a very unique place, it's beautiful. Alex Tomlin was a local TV news reporter who lives in the area. It has impeccable weather and the mountains are incredible. The region is home to natural hot springs and wild rivers. You can drive an hour north and go whitewater rafting, or you can go down to white sands and enjoy that.

But kind of on the outskirts of Santa Fe, you get a lot of the smaller communities. And one such place is the tiny village of El Rancho. The predominantly Hispanic community is about 20 miles from Santa Fe and is built around co-op farming and churches. It's a lot of people who have kind of grown there, have families there, kind of all know each other.

But it's also a desolate place. One of the things about New Mexico is it's so open. When you go to someone's home, often they have a significant size property. There's not neighbors very close. And even though the homes are all spread out across the desert... Everyone kind of knows each other, but there is an interesting dynamic here. As much as it's known for its beauty, it's also known for the crime. The tragic murders on Father's Day 2011 would stretch the fabric of El Rancho to its limits. So June 18, 2011 seemed like any normal night.

Cherie Ortiz had dinner plans with her parents, Lloyd and Dixie. Cherie Ortiz, she lived on the property with the Ortiz's. Her parents and brother lived in a large one-story house, and Cherie and her husband lived in an RV next door. Even though there's a fence around their spacious property, the family had an open door policy. Anyone could come in, have dinner at their table, or spend time with them. They were just kind of a good family in this community that was very tight-knit. Lloyd Ortiz was a man who loved to use his hands. He owned his own ceramic tile business.

His craftsmanship turned up in homes and even luxury hotels all over northern New Mexico. He was an incredibly loving father, a hardworking man who provided for his family, his wife Dixie. They sound like a perfect pair. Dixie was passionate about working with the elderly and the disabled. She was an activities director at a local retirement home. And she fostered children with special needs. They took in a child who had chicken baby syndrome and adopted him as their own, raised

that child, loved that child. That child's name was Steven. Steven had special needs from his early life injuries. His brain never developed beyond that of a nine-year-old, but he matured into a young man that his family called the Gentle Giant. He loved to play drums, ride his ATV, and fish with Lloyd. They were just really giving, loving people. Very northern New Mexico, hardworking, you know, love the land, love the culture kind of thing. Since it was Father's Day, Shari Ortiz whipped up a plate of homemade enchiladas for dinner. It was her gift.

Just before seven o'clock that evening, she took them and walked next door to her parents. Even though it was June, white Christmas icicle lights still hung on the gutters of her parents' home. Inside, the walls were adorned with crucifixes and some of Lloyd's handmade tiles. Cherie said she walks in and realizes something's very wrong. She found her mother in bed. Her mother's head was pretty damaged. She thought someone maybe had shot her. She then went into the kitchen area and found what she thought was her father on the kitchen

floor. The body was just so impacted by what was used against them. There's these two bodies. There's blood everywhere. She goes screaming out of the house. And for her husband, again, they lived on the property, so it was pretty close. Cherie's husband Jesse ran right over to investigate. Her husband then comes in the house, and he realizes it's not her father on the kitchen

floor. It's actually her brother. And that's when he starts searching around and finds her father outside right outside the back door kind of in the field there. Lloyd's body was found on a cinderblock path that connected the Ortiz back porch to their fenced-in yard. He was face down wearing only his underwear. His eyeglasses sat just inches away. Covering his head was some green shrubbery. By now, Cherie was on the phone. Sennife 911, where is your emergency team?

They're dead! They're out of gunshot wounds! They're dead, dead, dead, dead, dead! They've been dead since this morning! What is your name? Cherie! Cherie frantically told the 911 operator that her mother, father, and brother were shot to death. It's Sheree. Sheree frantically told the 911 operator that her mother, father, and brother were shot to death.

I just walked in their house, and everybody's shot in the f***ing head. My brother, my dad, and my mom still in bed. This was Sheree's second attempt at a 911 call. Since Sheree and her parents' homes were out in the middle of the desert, her cell reception was spotty. Imagine the panic, the fear that your call would drop again when you're trying to get

emergency help for your family, and she didn't know where the perpetrator was, or if they were still on the property. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I am freaking out. I can't even walk over there because I lose service. And then there's another problem. El Rancho is way off the beaten path, which delays the response time for law enforcement. Oh my God. You have to hurry. They're on the way. You have to hurry.

They're on the way. With no local police force of their own, the New Mexico State Police were dispatched to investigate. I can't believe they're already dead. I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Why, you know, all because I didn't have money for a Father's Day gift. I didn't want to go until I finished cooking and she not left for him. Right. Oh, my God. Cherise stayed on the phone for nearly 20 minutes before officers arrived. All units are going as fast as they can to get there. I'm going to walk to the gate and wait for them. I'm too nervous just sitting in my yard.

My name is Paul Chavez. I was a member of the full-time crime crimes unit as an agent with New Mexico State Police. The 200 homicide cases Officer Chavez worked in his career didn't prepare him for what he saw inside the Ortiz house. In this case, the magnitude of the violence involved was the worst that I had seen in my career. The brutality was unspeakable. Cherie Ortiz had found her parents and her adopted stepbrother dead within the residence. She reported that they had been shot in the head and it had occurred sometime earlier in the day.

It turns out that although Cherie said she didn't see who committed these murders, she did hear something. There was reportedly gunshots heard the previous night in the area. Now, hearing gunshots isn't entirely unusual in New Mexico, but Sherrie and her parents' homes sit on a dead-end street in the rural New Mexico desert.

It's a remote area with unpaved roads and no nearby streetlights. Their nearest neighbor is about 50 yards up the road. Inside the Ortiz home, Officer Chavez and his team assess the situation. Once I enter into the residence, there is a master bedroom immediately to the left as you walk in.

And that is where the first victim identified as Dixie Ortiz, is in her bed, in her nightgown, under the blankets. Dixie was found clutching her pillow. Her upper extremities and her head is completely saturated in blood, where she had sustained apparent trauma. From that bedroom, there's a drip trail,

which extends to the kitchen area, where we have a second victim, a young man identified as Steven Ortiz. Steven, her adopted brother, lay face down in a pool of blood, wearing only his underwear. Police noted that he took the brunt of the attack. That scene was absolutely brutal. Steven was 21 years old at the time of his murder, and based on his injuries, police

believe that he tried to fight off the killer before ultimately losing that battle. The blood continued from that area out the back door where the third victim, Lloyd Ortiz, was found outside the back porch. There was a significant amount of bloodshed indicating that he did sustain some massive trauma. And there was also shrubbery from a nearby bush that was covering his head.

That's two bloodied bodies inside the home and one outside. And then something else stood out to law enforcement. There was a small marijuana girl on the property. It was fenced off and padlocked. They did have a medical marijuana card for Stephen for some of the medical conditions he had. But none of the 17 marijuana plants appeared to be disturbed. In fact, nothing seemed to be stolen or even out of place.

On the kitchen table, in plain view, set Lloyd's wallet containing hundreds of dollars. This did not look like a robbery. It looked like a case of anger. A lot of anger based on the brutality that occurred. It was a father's day to forget for residents in this tiny suburb of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Lloyd and Dixie Ortiz were pillars of the tight-knit El Rancho community. They were quick to lend a helping hand to others in need.

So who was angry enough to harm them? And why? Whenever a homicide happens, two questions immediately come to mind. Who did this and why? And sometimes the answer to those questions can be found in the where. Where the crime happened. I'm journalist Sloane Glass

and I host the new podcast, American Homicide. Each week, we'll explore some of this country's most infamous and mysterious murders. And you'll learn how the location of the crime became a character in the story. On American Homicide, we'll go coast to coast and visit places like the wide open New Mexico desert, the swampy Louisiana bayou,

and the frozen Alaska wilderness. And we'll learn how each region of the country holds deadly secrets. So join me, Sloane Glass, on the new true crime podcast, American Homicide. Listen to American Homicide on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In July 1881, a man walked into a train station, pulled out a gun and shot the president of the United States. James Garfield's assassination horrified the American people

and they wanted his killer, Charles Gouteau, punished. But Gouteau, many experts believed, was insane. What had seemed like a black and white case was now much grayer. Could the justice system truly deliver justice in a situation like this? Guiteau's trial was extraordinary, but not unique. Important trials have always raised questions

and made us reflect on the world we live in. I'm Mira Hayward, and I'm exploring the stories of these trials in my new podcast, History on Trial. Every episode will cover a different trial from American history and reveal how the legal battles of the past have shaped our present. Listen and subscribe to History on Trial, now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. April 10, 2001, Scottsdale, Arizona. A suburban home explodes.

A fireball rises into the sky. In the rubble below, police find three bodies, Mary Fisher and her two kids. But where's the dad? Where's Robert Fisher? Nine days later, a camper spots Mary's SUV in a remote forest. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. Then nothing. Did Robert die in the wild?

Did he escape? Is he alive today? I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. You can now binge all 16 episodes. So join me as I travel the nation, tracking down clues. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Crawling into caves. You could be buried under rockfall and you've got a skeleton leaning up against the wall.

Searching for Robert Fisher. Listen to Missing in Arizona on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Shuri Ortiz lived in an RV right next door to her parents' house. On the same property, both homes sat on a sprawling lot surrounded by hills in the Dusty El Rancho, New Mexico desert. On the evening of Father's Day 2011, Sheree walked into her parents' house and found her mother, father, and brother savagely murdered. Like many others in the community, Pastor John Trujillo was in shock. I get a phone call. They call me PJ, Pastor John.

It says PJ. They found Stephen, Lloyd, and Dixie dead. I said, what are you talking about? Was it a car accident? What happened? He says, no, it seems like they were murdered in their home. You need to get down here right away. And as I drive up, the community is already showing up. State police are there. And about that time, Sheree made her way out and she was just in tears and tears and tears. And she's, Pastor John, my family's dead,

my family's dead. Somebody murdered my family, somebody killed my family. How do you handle that? What do you do? I mean, can you imagine the emotional and physical and just spiritual distraught that you would face? Nobody can prepare for that. I don't care.

Nobody's prepared to walk into a scene like that. Especially the daughter. The family was grieving and they were mourning. It's El Rancho. This isn't supposed to happen in a community like this. People are speculating that could this have happened from the community? Did somebody come here from somewhere else?

Was it a family member? Was it a friend? Was it a robbery that went wrong? You know, why, why, why? It was like, okay, we need some answers. Since El Rancho didn't have a police force of their own, the New Mexico State Police handled the investigation. By morning, the police still didn't know much.

We're still unsure as to what happened out there. The guys are still working it, working very hard to determine what exactly happened, but at this point we still don't know. How in the world could something like this happen? One person dead, okay. But when there's three, it raises a lot of questions. Police believe that three victims were shot to death inside their home, but nothing appeared

to be missing. Investigators wondered if it was a murder or a murder-suicide. Officer Paul Chavez was one of the first responders. My role primarily is to process and document the crime scene and try and make sense of what occurred there. But the severity of the crime scene limited what he was able to do. You can't disturb the body much. And with the amount of bloodshed that was present, we weren't able to assess the wounds

as well as we would like to have been able to. So originally, the police believed all three victims were shot to death. But the results of the autopsies for each victim revealed something far more personal. If these were in fact not gunshot wounds, they were actually lacerations that were penetrating with a blunt object. Clearly something was missing. When the police returned to the scene of the crime, they found a five pound pickaxe lying on the ground just over the fence of the adjacent property. And the pickaxe contained blood stains.

What the pickaxe did provide us was DNA from all three victims. So we unequivocally had our murder weapon. However, we were unable to forensically link a suspect to the pickaxe. So what does that mean? A murder weapon with DNA of the victims, but nothing to indicate a suspect? It could mean a number of things. That maybe they were wearing gloves or they covered their hands in some way or shape or form and just sometimes the lab just can't find it. It's not a hundred percent certainty that they're gonna be able to

find DNA when something is touched. There's a chance that we will but it doesn't always work out that way. So the one thing about the Ortiz murder was really the pressure on the police. Reporter Alex Tomlin covered the story for a local TV station. There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small knit community, but also the surrounding communities. And so there was a lot of pressure on them to get who did it, make it a clean investigation and let's get this person behind bars. And I'm sure at times that pressure was overwhelming.

The people of El Rancho couldn't shake the fear that they could be next. Nobody wants to think that they're gonna go to sleep and somebody who's pickaxed a couple and their son to death is going to come into their home next. They even refused to talk to TV reporters not because they felt pestered but they were fearful of their own safety. That's the other terrifying thing. Think about the strength it takes to push that pickaxe back multiple times and pickaxe someone to death. That is cold-blooded. That is calculated. That is incredibly scary for a community because that person is dangerous. You know, when you can't easily tie up a case like this, when you

can't say, oh it's, you know, a scorned lover or it's, you know, a drug deal gone wrong or different things like that, then it becomes a, well am I next? You want to find who did this because you don't want the community looking at you and saying what are you doing? Why aren't you protecting us? Why don't you have the answers? With no suspects, a weapon in murder seen free of any DNA, investigators started to look at the person who first discovered the bodies. That person was Sheree Ortiz. When something this horrific happens, the community wants answers, and they want them

quickly, right? So you want to be able to tie a nice bow on this thing and be done with it. And Sheree and her husband seemed like that nice bow. They lived on the property. You could come up with a motive. The police wondered if Sheree and her husband, Jesse knew more than they were saying, especially after they listened back to Sheree's original 911 call. She's very frantic in that 911 call, as you can hear.

She made some comments on that 911 call as you can hear. She made some comments on that 911 call about, you know, they must have been shot because of how they looked. It wasn't later until the Office of the Medical Investigator determined that actually they had been pickaxed to death. And you have no idea who would have done that? No. No. No.

No. Did you see anybody around? No. I didn't even know. I didn't even know. I just freaked out. Oh my god. They were such good people.

Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. We have to f***ing hurry."

Desperate and upset, Cherie spent 17 minutes on that 9-1-1 call. But as investigators listened back, they zeroed in on a comment Cherie said. Now listen closely to what Cherie told the operator. They've been dead since the morning! They've been dead since the morning! So Cherie said her parents had been dead since that morning. How did she know that? And why didn't she call 911 till 7 that evening?

I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Why, you know, all because I didn't have money for a Father's Day gift, I didn't want to go until I finished cooking and she nodded for him. They 100% thought she was a main suspect. I can't believe this is happening.

Whenever a homicide happens, two questions immediately come to mind. Who did this and why? After a homicide happens, two questions immediately come to mind. Who did this and why? And sometimes the answer to those questions can be found in the where. Where the crime happened. I'm journalist Sloane Glass, and I host the new podcast American Homicide. Each week, we'll explore some of this country's most infamous and mysterious murders, and you'll learn how the location of the crime became a character in the story.

On American Homicide, we'll go coast to coast and visit places like the wide-open New Mexico desert, the swampy Louisiana bayou, and the frozen Alaska wilderness. And we'll learn how each region of the country holds deadly secrets. So join me, Sloane Glass, on the new true crime podcast, American Homicide. Listen to American Homicide on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In July, 1881, a man walked into a train station, pulled out a gun, and shot the president of the United States.

James Garfield's assassination horrified the American people, and they wanted his killer, Charles Guiteau, punished. But Guiteau, many experts believed, was insane. What had seemed like a black and white case was now much grayer. Could the justice system truly deliver justice in a situation like this? Guiteau's trial was extraordinary, but not unique. Important trials have always raised questions and made us reflect on the world we live in.

I'm Mira Hayward, and I'm exploring the stories of these trials in my new podcast, History on Trial. Every episode will cover a different trial from American history and reveal how the legal battles of the past have shaped our present. Listen and subscribe to History on Trial now on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

April 10, 2001, Scottsdale, Arizona. A suburban home explodes. A fireball rises into the sky. In the rubble below, police find three bodies, Mary Fisher and her two kids. But where's the dad? Where's Robert Fisher? Nine days later, a camper spots Mary's SUV in a remote forest. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down.

Then nothing. Did Robert die in the wild? Did he escape? Is he alive today? I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. You can now binge all 16 episodes, so join me as I travel the nation, tracking down clues, if you keep asking me this, I'm gonna call the police and have you removed, crawling into caves, you could be buried under rockfall and you've got a skeleton

leaning up against the wall, searching for Robert Fisher. Listen to Missing in Arizona on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen Ortiz were brutally murdered in their El Rancho home, their daughter Sheree and her husband Jesse appeared to investigators to be the only people with motive and the access to execute such a violent crime. For months, Sheree and Jesse felt the stares and heard the whispers.

Their pastor, John Trujillo, tried to be the voice of reason. I think when you have to go through that, like Jesse and Sheree did, I think it was just a reassurance to say, listen, you need to do this. You need to go through this. Just cooperate with the state police, investigators, whatever you need to do, because it's just

a process of elimination. They're looking for answers just as much as everybody else is. And they need a starting point somewhere. Just go through the process, answer the questions, be honest, be truthful, and let them eliminate you. And then they can move forward from there. So there were a number of red flags that required us to investigate Sherry and Jesse to the fullest.

State police agent Paul Chavez took the difficult line of questioning a mourning Cherie. Could family gain from the death of a victim? Sure they can if there's insurance policies in place or is there property in place? Is there something to be gained? That's definitely something that was going to be looked at. Investigators asked about Cherie's credit card debt and the fact that she didn't pay her car loans or even the rent on her RV.

And then there was this. Cherie also told investigators that she had removed $80,000 in cash from her parents' home. But she didn't tell this to police until three days after the murders. Jesse and Cherie involvement couldn't be ruled out. Jesse and Cherie told detectives that they were at a local casino on the night of the murders. But... There was some conflicting statements between Cherie and Jesse.

The triple murder that rocked the close-knit village of El Rancho turned friends into enemies, families into suspects. At the time, there was a lot of speculation about her and her husband and whether or not they had been involved in this crime. Alex Tomlin worked as a reporter for a local TV station. The case was a little bit cold at this time and we got a call saying she's willing to talk to you. Cherie was on the defensive and wanting to publicly clear her name.

So she scheduled an interview with Alex. Cherie offered to show me the home where her parents had lived and had been murdered. Alex met Cherie at her home and interviewed her just steps away from where Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen were murdered. I remember distinctly being in the kitchen and we were talking about her brother, Stephen. And, you know, when the autopsy came out he had held about a dozen or so blows I think about maybe 17 blows and I remember her talking to me about how he was such a big guy that he was kind of a teddy bear

but he was such a big guy and it's such a weird sensation we're standing in someone's kitchen and you're seeing marks on the floor and you know their body had been there and you know she cried a lot during that interview understandably but really thinking about this young man coming out who didn't really have the cognitive ability to understand what was happening you know very much still a child kind of in a man's body and to have that many blows to him my only thought in that moment was he must have been trying to protect his parents. He must have been really scared. He must have really fought back. And that was just so sad. It was so sad to think about those final moments

and what that must have been like for him, either knowing that he was dying or knowing that something had happened to his parents. It was just really traumatic standing there and knowing this is where he died and he died in such a violent way. With the cameras rolling, Alex asked Sheree about the investigation. I believe they're going through it with tunnel vision, just specifically focusing on us instead of the real people or per- I know it of the real people. I know it had to be people. How could one person do that?

So it left this very weird sensation in the community where some people were still speculating, other people really believed them, why would they do this? Cherie said her parents had life insurance, but she could not collect that money since she and her husband were considered suspects. And without that money, Cherie said they couldn't pay their bills and worried their homes would be foreclosed.

So it was really this sense from her of trying to advocate for herself, but advocate for her parents and her brother to say, I need to know who killed them. And at the same time, I need people to know it wasn't me. And so that was really what the conversation centered around. We could lose everything my dad worked so hard for. I actually saw marks on the floor and different things like that where this had happened. It was a really horrific experience. Something has to give.

I really do have hope. I know this is going to get solved. With tears in her eyes, Cherie then looked into the camera to try to clear her name and her husband Jesse's as well. We had nothing to do with it. My God, that was my mom and my dad and my little brother. It was no secret that the two were being looked at

in the triple murder. But were they that desperate for money that they would murder their own family? Paul Chavez investigated. If you don't investigate Jesse and Sherry to the fullest, you make a very easy argument for a defense attorney to create doubt in a jury's mind. And that's exactly what would have happened if we had not followed up on all of the red flags that came up during the course of the investigation. But as the investigation dragged on, Shree shifted the blame back on the state police.

She claimed that they botched the investigation and said casino security guards or even children could have done a better job. Against the advice of law enforcement, Shree even set up a PO box where people could anonymously submit information about who might be responsible. A year after the murders, the police promised a press conference to share some breaking news on the case. But that press conference never happened. There was a lot of leads that came in that were followed up on, but none of them panned out. A billboard even went up along a local highway with a picture of Lloyd, Dixie and Stephen

that offered a $1,000 reward for information. But still, there were no arrests. That was the hardest part of this case for me was knowing that we have not been able to bring justice for this family. And it wasn't just Cherie who was pressuring the New Mexico State Police. Here's TV reporter Alex Tomlin. There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small community, but also the surrounding communities and pretty much all of the state saying you've got to find who did this. You could not take a family who more people said nice things about and have a more awful

thing happen to them. I mean they are bludgeoned to death with a pickaxe. Publicly, the police didn't reveal much about other potential suspects, but behind the scenes, it was a different story. Aside from Cherie and her husband Jesse, investigators interviewed numerous people. Then, 16 months after the murders, a local 23-year-old woman named Ashley Roybal got arrested. While she's in custody, she tells the police something astonishing.

Is it okay if I call you Ashley? All right. I understand that you know some details. I know who did it. Ashley tells detectives that she knows who killed Lloyd, Dixie, and Stephen Ortiz. It isn't until Ashley Roybal gets in trouble that all of a sudden she's willing to tell police what happened. I'll just let you go ahead and tell me the story.

It was almost like the answer everyone had been waiting for. Ashley Roybal kept quiet for 16 months. During that time, Cherie juggled losing her mom, dad, and brother while being looked at by everyone as a suspect. All while she couldn't collect their life insurance money and was scared she'd lose everything. But now, 16 months later, Ashley was finally ready to talk?

Well, this was the turning point in the investigation. But would anyone believe Ashley? There's things that kind of don't match up. There's shifting stories. We just want the truth. They say the wheels of justice move very slowly. And in this case, that would prove to be an understatement. And I remember thinking, oh, God, here we go again.

This poor family has been through the ringer. I would have never suspected that it was going to come down to this. Find out what Ashley says really happened that night on part two of The Father's Day Murders. That's next time on American Homicide. You can contact the American Homicide. You can contact the American Homicide team by emailing us at AmericanHomicidePod at gmail.com. That's AmericanHomicidePod at gmail.com.

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