Betrayal - S1: Bonus Ep 6 - Intimate Visit

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

Jenifer recently had a chance to talk with a woman from Spencer’s past. She offers Jen an interesting perspective on who she thought Spencer was and works through her feelings on who he turned out to be. We also hear a sneak peek from Betrayal Season 2, premiering on May 18th.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with the trial. First, we'll be back with season 2 of the trial starting May 18th. We even have a sneak peek at the end of this episode. Second, the trial season 1 is being turned into a documentary. More details on when and where it will launch, so stay tuned on the feed for updates. Looking back now, I was thinking, I was way too young for us to have a friendship. And as a married man, and me being a single young woman,

we should not have had any kind of relationship or regular relationship. Jennifer recently had a chance to talk with a woman from Spencer's past, and she offers an interesting perspective. So why did you decide to speak with me today? I have to say that even till today I did have some reservations. Part of me feels as though I'm betraying somebody I've known for 20 something years but I did want to speak to you and I feel I need to speak to you because I think

as females, we are kind of told not to speak up. And I've had my experiences with sexual assault and never spoke up and I feel it is important to be part of this in some way. I guess that historical piece, another person who may have known him for quite some time. I just feel like there should be as many people that can speak to you as possible. Well, I completely understand that. You guys have known each other since when? Gosh, it's been about 25 years, so quite some time. How did you meet? We met while I was interning for a radio station at the time.

Were you guys kind of seeing each other or dating? How would you describe that in the beginning? Yeah, in the beginning, absolutely not. He was a married man, had little children, but something did change once he did get a divorce, you know. It became a sexual relationship. We always maintained a friendship and it kind of was off and on. How was he back then? He was always extremely friendly, extremely giving of his time, very, very positive and always giving compliments.

You really felt like he was with you, no matter when, whether we were just strictly friends or more than friends, extremely complimentary. And he made you feel so special all the time. Yeah. And that behavior is so similar with everyone across the board. Yeah. And listening to the podcast, there

was a lot of what I heard that I didn't experience. I guess I'm fortunate that I didn't experience. I guess, I'm fortunate that I didn't experience some of those negative things. I didn't see those sides of him, and it makes me really feel for those who were traumatized. And he didn't to me either. Yeah, yeah. For me, I think it's because he knew me enough

to know how to speak with me or treat me things like that I feel like maybe it was similar with you. He knew he might not be able to get away with some of this stuff Hmm that he could get away with I think you're you're pretty spot on right there because we didn't have the type relationship where we were So called committed right there because we didn't have the type of relationship where we were so called committed. So if anything were to go wrong just buy and I think he realized that. So you guys were kind of seeing each other just whenever on and off. Yeah. Do you remember him talking about getting married again? I do.

And he was excited. He was really happy to reconnect with you. I do recall that being a joyous time for him. He just really felt that you were his person. And I think there was a period where maybe he felt... he just really felt that you were his person. And I think there was a period where maybe he felt, and I certainly can't speak for him, but perhaps he felt like, okay, this is it.

All this is gonna stop now. I'm gonna focus on this person. But it didn't stop. Right. I know he did some work for you and you guys would see each other. But how did he justify having this affair after he and I were married? We would check in periodically. I'm like, how are things going? He would tell me about the wine bar that you guys opened. It was really excited. And would tell me about the wine bar that you guys opened and was really excited

and would tell me, you know, oh, she's traveling a lot. But then I would hear sort of things to justify why we could have a relationship beyond a friendship again. He would say things like, we're not happy. I don't know if he needed to have that in his mind as well, but he certainly sold it as though you guys were really on the out. And I obviously do feel shameful. I would not want that to be done to me. Sure. But you know, he's like, well, my wife is going to be out of town. Why don't you come check out the wine bar on a Saturday? I thought, okay, why not? It's going to be harmless. Saturday, I thought, okay, why not? It's gonna be harmless. And it wasn't just a harmless, friendly visit.

It was an intimate visit, but he certainly sold it as though you were still living together, you were still on paper married, but emotionally, you guys were not together. Anything after that was kind of off and on. Every so often, we would check in, and it'd been a long time. And I don't know why, I was like,

I need to Google, and I don't Google people, I don't ever Google myself, I never Google. And I Googled, and I saw his mug shot pop up and I was floored. Floored. I thought what could this man have possibly done? I would never ever think that he would be arrested for anything. And even when I read the stories and I read the reports, there was part of me that I thought, this has got to be a mistake. This has to be a mistake.

Because you know, Spence, you had all these accolades and all of, you know, everybody loved him. Who would believe it? Right. everybody has that persona that they present when they want to to the masses. I mean, how many times do you hear people saying, I don't believe it? They were so nice. Right, right. What did you think about the fact that it was a student

of his? I immediately thought he has kids that age. Would he want that to happen to his children? I was floored and hearing her story was, I mean, how she was extremely brave to stand up. Right. I'm hoping by us talking about these things, it will encourage people to speak up

and to feel safe in doing that. Absolutely. And first and foremost, victims have to feel safe enough to say something. Yeah. Hi, my name is Cooper and I'm a mini golden doodle from Crocodoodles. And I'm a bit late, the cover. Now I know what you're thinking, talking dogs? Well, hold on to your tails because it gets better than that. I mean, not better, like, more impressive than a talking dog, exactly. But if you apply now at Crocodoodles.com, you could adopt me or any other breed we offer

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I did, and I commend you for doing that. I don't know if I could that had to have been the most difficult conversation of your life, one of them. He was not remorseful. He certainly sounded as though he was the victim because he was incarcerated. Right. And it's unfortunate because this pattern will just continue. He won't be able to break this cycle. So it really was upsetting to hear him. I know. I mean, that's my fear now that he's out. It's so unfortunate. Yeah. If you saw Spence, what do you think you would say to him or do? Wow. That's a great question. The first thing comes to mind is how dare you? Who are you? You're certainly not the person I knew all these years. Yeah. After hearing these stories,

I really, really, really feel for these women who have experienced that manipulation and especially those who were assaulted and were too young. They were too, too young. Yes, to be lied to and manipulated and groomed in all of those horrible things. Yeah. Yeah. Their lives are forever changed. Forever changed. And I don't know that he's capable of

remorse. I absolutely agree with you. And you're obviously doing this for the masses, for those that are listening to feel that they can have a voice, but you're also doing a lot for those who have been victims and feel like they have a safe space to speak. So I hope that you understand that as well. Thank you very much for sending that. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. that as well. Thank you very much for saying that. I appreciate it.

Yeah. Thank you. It's true. Well, I know this wasn't easy for you. I am grateful, though, that you're willing to speak out because I think, especially as women, to be honest, to have these kind of conversations and get past kind of the yuckiness of it and that part,

but then talk about the real underlying issue. Yeah. Hopefully we'll just kind of keep doing this work, you know? I mean, if we can have more open and honest conversations, maybe we can make a difference. Yeah, it's my pleasure, Jen. I'm glad that we could speak today. And thanks to you guys, our betrayal community,

and get ready, we'll be back with season two of betrayal starting May 18th. It's about a new betrayal that rarely ever is spoken about, but we'll confront it head on. Here's a sneak peek. about, but will confront it head on. Here's a sneak peek. My husband and I were opening a business. His first job was that very next day.

One of the clients had asked if they could Benmo him. So he'd called me that morning, September 29th, 2021. He was like, I need you to set up my business, Benmo him. So he'd called me that morning, September 29th, 2021. He was like, I need you to set up my business Venmo. And I was like, all right, username and password for whatever email is connected to your Venmo. So he sent me the login for his iCloud.

And as I'm signing in, he frantically calls me back. He was like, oh, don't worry about it. We'll do it together when we get home. Like, I'm sorry. It's going to be too much. Like, don't do it. I knew by the tenor of his voice that he was trying to hide something.

I thought maybe he bought something that he didn't want me to know about. There was nothing in his photos. And then I scrolled down, and that's when I saw a hidden folder, and I opened it. You know when you open your photos, it's going to show you like a whole bunch of them at once. I slammed to my computer shut. What the hell did I just see? That's season 2 of Betrayal. Hi, my name is Cooper and I'm a mini-golden doodle from Crocodoodles.

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