Betrayal - S3: E1 – Storybook Romance

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Stacey Rutherford, a single mom, found her storybook romance in 2015 when she met medical student Justin Rutherford. They shared a deep connection, fell in love, and became a picture-perfect American family. Over time, the couple added two more children to their family. Justin progressed into a family doctor, and they settled in Pennsylvania, where he started his career. However, in August of 2021, Stacey came home to find her wonderful life crashing down. The Rutherford family would never be the same.  If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail] omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey, girlfriends. It's me, Carol Fisher, back with another season of the global number one podcast The Girlfriends. Last time we investigated the murder of Gail Katz. This time we're uncovering the identity of the woman who was buried in Gail's grave for a decade before she disappeared. Join me and the rest of the club as we tell her story. Listen to season two of The Girlfriends, Our Lost Sister on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A new season of Bridgerton is here and with it, a new season of Bridgerton the Official Podcast. I'm your host, Gabby Collins, and this season we are bringing fans even deeper into the ton. Watch season three of the Shondaland series on Netflix. Then fall in love all over again by listening to Bridgerton, the official podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday. Hey, I'm Rachel Martin. You probably know how interview podcasts with famous people usually go, right? There's a host, a guest, and a light Q&A. On NPR's new podcast Wild Card, we have ripped up the typical script. It's part existential deep dive and part game show. I ask actors, artists, and comedians to play a game using a special deck of cards to ask some of life's biggest questions. Listen to NPR's wild card on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Stacey, would you please read this document? Okay. This is a court document,

affidavit of probable cause from Berks County, Pennsylvania. On or about Thursday, January 5th, 2023, a detective received information that the defendant Justin Rutherford was requesting to have someone murder a juvenile male. Detectives in Rudding, Pennsylvania learned that a Justin Rutherford had concocted a scheme to take the life of a teenager who was set to testify against him in a criminal case. Rutherford told his hitman to use gloves and to wear layers of clothing so no DNA would be found. Rutherford said he could be buried in the forest somewhere, or he could be burned in a barrel.

This would be a good way to get rid of any evidence. Stacy, do you know Justin Rutherford? The man who was planning the murder? I do. And who is he? My husband. I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Season 3 of Betrayal, Episode 1, Storybook Romance. A listener note, some names have been changed to protect privacy. I'm so grateful to be back for another season of Betrayal.

When we started this project with Jennifer Faison's story back in 2019, we really didn't know where it would go. Thanks to you, we're back for season 3. And there's even more big news. If you loved Betrayal, this summer our podcast will become a weekly series, addressing all kinds of betrayal, from relationships to financial deception and more. There are betrayals you won't believe, but they happened. What we've discovered is that there are people everywhere, millions actually,

who are struggling with loss and shame because something that they believed in turned out to be a lie. Sometimes the lie is so egregious, it's criminal. Other times, it's just too painful to bear. We've also learned that hearing you aren't the only one that has been the victim of shocking deception is comforting. There is something inherently therapeutic in sharing our stories. And that brings me to Stacey Rutherford. I can talk to my best friends till I'm blue in the face, but not a single one of them have any idea what I feel like. And I hope none of them ever have to know what I feel like.

Stacey heard Ashley Linton's story from season two, and they had a lot in common. Even parts of their story are similar. It was kind of one of those things that it made me finally feel like I wasn't so abnormal for feeling some of the things that I felt about the situation and about grieving my marriage and everything.

It was just, for the first time, I felt like somebody knew what I felt like. But there are some very big differences. The stakes for Stacey and her family are not like anything we've ever seen. When she first reached out to our team, it was from her home in a small rural spot called Jaredstown, West Virginia. It's about two hours west of DC. She works in the area as administrative support for a federal agency. She also spent many years working as a medical assistant.

Her story spans three states, two husbands, two courts, four children, and 25 years in the making. It's a lot, and not everybody can handle that, because it's a wild story. It's nothing like you think you're gonna hear. I found Stacey to be such a contradiction. She's a joyful, spiritual person with a great laugh. It's fun just being around her,

but that laugh can turn to tears in a matter of seconds. It's a fragile line. She's holding it together, but that laugh can turn to tears in a matter of seconds. It's a fragile line. She's holding it together, but not by much. First, we need to look at where Stacey came from to see how she arrived here. Stacey was still a teenager when she got married and started a family. She still remembers the night she met her first husband

back in 1998. We'll call him John My high school boyfriend and I broke up right after senior year. I went to a party and just we connected John was 23 Stacey was 18. He was fresh out of the military. I got pregnant pretty quick You know, my dad will always say I think he did the noble thing He was fresh out of the military. I got pregnant pretty quick. You know, my dad will always say, I think he did the noble thing. Stacey and John married after an accelerated courtship

in their hometown of Decatur, Illinois, but eventually moved to West Virginia. They had two kids together, Michaela and Tyler. Honestly, we didn't spend a lot of time together. I know that that sounds crazy, but he loved to fish. He could be out there for 12, 18 hours a day. So usually I would just stay home with the kids. Stacey admits that the relationship wasn't perfect, but she was okay with that.

I knew we didn't have this fireworks and passion and all this, but I was comfortable. And I took a vow and I took that seriously. They were busy young parents. He was a forklift operator, but he worked so many hours. He worked like 12 to sometimes 16 hours a day. It never occurred to her that it wouldn't last forever. Divorce was impossible to me. I was just like, nah, nah, you know, like we're going to be old sitting on a porch with our grandkids because that's what my grandparents were

and my parents were. Like divorce wasn't in my family like that. I'd made a post on MySpace or MySpace,, like, thank you God for this life, and I just, I'm so blessed, and I have two great kids and a husband, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, and two weeks later, he rolled over in bed and he just said, I'm not happy, and I haven't been for a really long time. I'm like, what the hell? I was like, shut up, and he was like, no, I'm serious,

and I just started screaming. Michaela was eight and she ran into the bedroom and started screaming daddy don't hit her don't hit her. She thought he was hitting me because I was screaming like agony. He said it was nobody that he just wanted to be alone that we got married too young you know he was never gonna get married again. Stacey is no fool she She knew something was up. My sister calls me Angela Lansbury because I won't find it out. Within days, I knew he was seeing somebody, ended up finding out it was a co-worker.

That was August. I come home one day and I had told him I was going to move back where our family was. And then I changed my mind and I was like, I can do this, you know, we can try to work this out. He was like, nope. Stacey's daughter, Michaela, remembers her mom confronting the other woman, though she didn't really know what was happening at the time. One day we were waking up for school and we did not drive to school. We went to some random ladies house and my mom gets out of the car and is throwing gravel rocks at this lady and I'm just in the backseat

like I don't know what's happening and my dad had come out without a shirt on. Michaela was too young to understand. Stacey knew exactly what was going on. It was soul crushing. I said, just tell me what it is and what I can do. And I remember he did tell me, you know, well, you got big and I didn't like to look at you. Then it was like, oh, it's my fault. This moment, it fractured her. And so many people know this feeling, not feeling enough.

That haunted Stacey. I had no self-worth. No self-worth. I mean, I had never in my life been suicidal. And I remember, I knew I wanted to be alive for my kids, but I just had this attitude of like, I'm not going to take my life because I'm a Christian and for my kids, but I just had this attitude of like, I'm not gonna take my life because I'm a Christian and I don't, you know,

but if you don't wake me up in the morning, that would be okay. Stacey kept her pain hidden. Her children only saw her beauty and strength. Anything could happen to her and nothing would faze her. She's great and I wanna be her when I grow up. Mom actually worked two jobs and so a lot of the time it would be Tyler and I at home by ourselves and I'd be watching him. And even when I would go hang out with friends in a neighborhood down the street,

he would always tag along with me. Although Michaela is six years older than Tyler, they formed a close bond during those years. I mean, honestly, I loved it. I loved being around Tyler when mom was a single mom and it was just him and I a lot. Michaela has grown up a lot since looking after Tyler. She's a master's candidate and a newlywed. But when she was a kid, she admits to being a bit of a wild child.

Like, I was a hot mess express. Stacey says Tyler, on the other hand, was a happy kid who adored his mom. When my first husband and I divorced, he was two. So Tyler and I have always had a huge bond. And he's always been a mama's boy. He loved the Kardashians and he'd be like when's sister wives on? And you know there was so much estrogen in that house at that time like the poor guy had no chance but it made him the sweetest soul. He will die if I tell you this

but like I am a Bath and Body Works nut like I probably need a 12-step program but I always like have it and so he would lay in bed when he was little and he'd smell my arm and he'd say, oh, mama, you smell so beautiful. 17 years later, Stacy has acquired the wisdom to view the end of her first marriage with a different lens. I didn't know what I was doing.

I'm a young mom, I'm a young wife, not knowing how to manage money. So I completely accept that I had a hand in the demise of my marriage too. Still the loss of her dream left Stacey wounded. I can honestly say that I've never been the same since my first marriage ended. A new season of Bridgerton is here. And with it, a new season of Bridgerton the Official Podcast. I'm your host Gabrielle Collins, and this season, we are bringing fans even deeper into

the ton. Colin Bridgerton has returned from his travels abroad. Is betrothal written in the stars for the eligible Bachelor? Meanwhile, the Ton is reverberating with speculation of who holds Lady Whistledown's pen. We're discussing it all. I sit down with Nicola Coughlin, Luke Newton, Shonda Rhimes, and more to offer an exclusive peek behind the scenes of each episode of the new season. Watch season three of the Shondaland series on Netflix. Then, fall in love all over again

by listening to Bridgerton the Official Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday. Hey, girlfriends, it's me, Carol Fisher. Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday. woman's torso washed up on Staten Island and was misidentified as Gail. She spent nine years in Gail's grave and then she just disappeared. It's almost like it's become this moral obligation to find her. And that's what we're going to do, find this missing girlfriend and tell her story with the help of some of your favorite girlfriends from season one like my producer Anna. Oh my god. My friend Dr. Mindy Shapiro. Hi it's Dr.

Shapiro and I'd like to speak with the deputy medical examiner. And of course Gail's sister Elaine Katz. Having no closure it kills you. Join us as we try to solve a 35 year old cold case. It's not going to be easy, but it's going to be one hell of a ride. What? I can't believe this. Listen to season two of The Girlfriends, Our Lost Sister on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Rachel Martin. You probably know how interview podcasts with famous people usually go, right?

There's a host, a guest, and a light Q&A. On NPR's new podcast Wildcard, we have ripped up the typical script. It's part existential deep dive and part game show. I ask actors, artists, and comedians to play a game using a special deck of cards to ask some of life's biggest questions. Listen to NPR's wildcard on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Even after the demise of her marriage, Stacey hoped to find love and a partner to share her life with. She was cautious. She had to be.

I didn't want to be that mom that just had random different men coming in and out of her home. And then for the kids to like lose that person, that was always my fear. The divorce was in 2007. Stacey has had a few long-term relationships and some forgettable dates. Stacey's son Tyler recalls one boyfriend

that left an impression. He was a real bad drunk and would just scream and yell. So he wasn't too much of a good guy either. He was just good to us kids. She always kind of had bad experiences with men. And Stacy's daughter, Michaela, harbored the fantasy of many children of divorce. I want my mom and dad back together still, so I was also like, who are you coming into my house?

I was always mean to like every boyfriend she had. Anytime she would tell me she was on a date, something was dying or my toenail was falling off and she had to come home because like, f that guy. And then like there would be times if she had like a boyfriend over and they were in the living room, I would purposely interrupt and, you know, be an annoyance. Then in 2015, a new man came into Stacey's life. My name is Karen and I met Stacey when my son dated her daughter in high school. And we've been close friends ever since. I met Justin when he was doing like a round or rotations. I worked at a lab

at the doctor's office and he was a student there and we just started chit chatting. Justin was in medical school. I knew he was single and I'm like I feel like you and my friend would really hit it off. He had a good sense of humor and she had a good sense of humor. So I'm not sure if I gave her his number or if I gave him her number, but either way he ended up reaching out and they met up. Him and I met at Olive Garden.

Right off the bat, we started joking. Our whole entire meal was joking and he just kind of said to me, you know, I'm a poor med student. I don't have time for anyone. I don't have any money. I can't really take you on dates like this. You know, he actually, our biggest joke

was he used a coupon on our first date, and he was mortified to bring it out of his pocket. He's like, you know, I got like a buy one, get one half off kind of thing going on. And he was just like, you know, so do you want to adopt a poor med student? And I was like, yeah, I mean, like, why not add another kid to it?

You know, I'm all for it. Our joke for years was that who wants a ready-made family? He was like, woo, me, you know, and that's kind of how our relationship started. Telling me he had no time for me and then ended up we were together all the time. He said that she was nice, but I think that he was attracted to her sense of humor because that's what makes her really beautiful because she's so funny. Stacey and Justin were vibing.

They just loved being together. I had butterflies. When driving home from our first date, I remember calling my dad and I was like, Dad, I think I just met my husband. And he was like, Oh my God, did you tell him that? And I said, No, I didn't tell him that. Like, why would I tell him that? He's like, Oh, thank God, because he would have run. Her dad didn't need to worry. The affection was mutual. They hit it off. And I was pretty proud of myself for being a matchmaker. They hit it off and I was pretty proud of myself for being a matchmaker. All the years I had dated between my first husband and him, it was so just, ugh, assessable really.

People felt like they had an agenda or there was something that they wanted from me. But Justin, it was just wholeheartedly, I never felt there was anything that he wanted from me. He just wanted to be with me. And for me, I was like, wow, that's the first time, you know, I've ever felt like that. When it was time for Justin to meet Stacey's kids, 15 year old Michaela had every intention of giving the new guy the same treatment every other man had received. Unwelcome.

They had been dating for a couple months. And I remember I was at my dad's house when my mom was like, Justin was coming over and I was going to meet him. The whole time I'm talking shit. I'm like, dad, F him. I already don't like him. He's probably fat and ugly. And my dad's like, Michaela, be nice. And I'm like, I don't care.

I don't want to know you. And then when we walked in the house, it was immediately like, hi, I'm like, I don't care, I don't want to know you. And then when we walked in the house, it was immediately like, hi, I'm Justin. And like open arms, super talkative, asking me like what I want to do when I grow up, how high school is, you know, just like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, talking to me. And I was still kind of standoffish

because I'm like, can you take the heat? I remember the first day we met him very vividly, actually. Tyler was about 10 at the time. He was impressed. He really just seemed like such a great guy from the start. He came over. We're looking at it. Oh, mom's got a new boyfriend. Here's another asshole.

And then surprisingly, he was one of the first guys to ever have an interaction with me and like I actually played football with me so to me I was like okay he's actually a pretty good guy that was the first time I really saw her with another man truly happy and Michaela thought it too. I liked him a lot and I was like okay I won't scare him away yeah they they had a good relationship like I thought they were good together. We started dating in March and Thanksgiving we went to Myrtle Beach with his family. And I was like, Oh, this is so great. We spent a lot of time with family and friends. Time together was precious then. Medical school was all encompassing for Justin, but they

made it work. I also, you know, would help him when he would study because I was in the medical field, too. So when he was studying prescription med names, we would like go back and forth as kind of like a game. Stacey didn't need to be whined and dined. She wanted kindness and connection and someone to be part of her family. It just never felt complex. We spent a lot of time with like family and friends

and if we weren't, we were studying. You know, we didn't do a whole lot in our first year. Justin was also willing to be a father figure and wanted to be involved in the kids' lives. He was really nice to me and would do stuff with me. He was a big video gamer. He helped me build my first like big gaming computer, which was really cool. And he was very tech savvy. If I wanted

to play games, he was a guy to play games with. So I was happy to have what I thought would be a father figure. It was like the dad and best friend in one. A new season of Bridgerton is here. And with it, a new season of Bridgerton the official podcast. I'm your host Gabrielle Collins, and this season we are bringing fans even deeper into the Ton. Colin Bridgerton has returned from his travels abroad. Is betrothal written in the stars for the eligible Bachelor?

Meanwhile, the Ton is reverberating with speculation of who holds Lady Whistledown's pen. We're discussing it all. I sit down with Nicola Coughlin, Luke Newton, Shonda Rhimes, and more to offer an exclusive peek behind the scenes of each episode of the new season. Watch season 3 of the Shondaland series on Netflix. Then, fall in love all over again by listening to Bridgerton the Official Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday. Hey, girlfriends. It's me, Carol Fisher. I'm so excited to tell you about the brand

new series of The Girlfriends. In season one, we told you about the murder of Gail Katz at the hands of my ex-boyfriend, Bob. At one point, a woman's torso washed up on Staten Island and was misidentified as Gail. She spent nine years in Gail's grave, and then she just disappeared. It's almost like it's become this moral obligation to find her. And that's what we're going to do,

find this missing girlfriend and tell her story. With the help of some of your favorite girlfriends from season one, like my producer Anna. Oh my God. My friend Dr. Mindy Shapiro. Hi, it's Dr. Shapiro and I'd like to speak with the deputy medical examiner. And of course, Gail's sister Elaine Katz. Having no closure, it kills you.

Join us as we try to solve a 35-year-old cold case. It's not going to be easy, but it's going to be one hell of a ride. What? I can't believe this. Listen to Season 2 of The Girlfriends, Our Lost Sister on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Rachel Martin. You probably know how interview podcasts with famous people usually go, right? There's a host, a guest, and a light Q&A. On NPR's new podcast, Wild Card, we have ripped up the typical script. It's part existential deep dive and part game show. I ask actors, artists, and comedians to play a game using a special deck of cards to ask some of life's biggest questions. Listen to NPR's wild card on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. It was now 2016. Stacey and Justin had been together about a year, but he was on the medical track and

needed to relocate to continue his training. Stacey and Justin's relationship was getting serious. Sometimes he'd stay at her place for several days at a time, or she'd spend the weekend at his apartment. They couldn't imagine being apart. So the couple decided that Stacey and her kids would move with him for his residency. It was the last stage of training

before becoming a doctor. It was just kind of like our, not really silent deal, but our deal that he was gonna take care of me, I was gonna take care of him. Justin matched with the hospital system in Pennsylvania. So Stacey, Michaela, and Tyler packed up their life and moved with Justin. This was the beginning of their next chapter as a growing family. Stacey's sister, Heather. It was like the storybook romance. My sister wanted more children.

He didn't have any children. He loved her kids. And Justin wanted kids too. A year after the family moved to Pennsylvania, the couple had a baby girl together. And shortly after, Stacey became pregnant again. She shared an amazing family moment with me. A video where Justin opens a gender reveal envelope. Oh God, thank you Jesus. It actually says it's a boy. Oh, wow.

I was about two seconds away from asking you to drop him to the ground. Hey, little brother! Their baby boy was born in 2019. He delivered both of our kids. My OB, right when the baby was about to come out, she stepped to the side and let Justin deliver the babies. I remember I made a Facebook post like after it and I said, I didn't think I could love this man anymore. But when I saw him with his babies, it made me love him in a whole different way,

on a different level. He was just so happy. You could tell he just was so excited to be a dad. They had their love, their children, their family was complete. As they set their sights on the future, Justin received a full-time job offer. It was official.

They were staying in Pennsylvania. After residency was over, he accepted a position with their family med office in Exeter, Pennsylvania. My sister worked extremely hard to bring in enough money to take care of her kids and still try to give them the life that they deserved. But Justin offered her a sense of freedom.

I mean, the salary. And Stacey also had support. When the family moved to Pennsylvania, Justin's godmother moved with them. Her name is Deborah, and she helped Stacey with the little ones. We called her Nanny McD, like the Nanny McPhee movie. She was a part of our family.

D was living with Justin's mom since he was a baby. When his mother died tragically during his college years, Nanny continued to maintain a close relationship with him. Here's Justin's college friend, Stacey Hayden. Justin's mom got cancer and passed away, and her best friend was Dee. And she had promised to always take care of Justin. As soon as they moved to Pennsylvania, Dee was living with them in like a taking care of role.

So she was a live-in nanny and helped around the house. The extra set of hands made a huge difference. Dee could watch the kids while Justin and Stacey worked. Although the couple were financially comfortable, Stacey learned a lot from her first marriage. Finally, those hectic years would pay off. He made basically like what I make right now. So we lived tight during that time. And then once he graduated from residency, I was gonna continue working for the next five years instead of being a stay-at-home mom.

Like he gave me that option, but I was like, no, I wanna work. Stacey carried a lot of baggage from her divorce and old debt. So Justin stepped in to help get control of her financial life. He was real focused on making sure that I was out of debt and that I was in a good financial position. He paid off my student loans.

He got my credit score back up to where it was actually a normal, decent credit score. Justin didn't just look out for her wellbeing. He looked out for the kids. He was more active in my life than my biological dad and I felt closer to him. Stacey's father, Rodney. I saw the good impact Justin had on Michaela because Michaela was not a great student in school. You know, I hope Michaela doesn't mind me say this,

but the joke of the family was always, thank God she's cute. If you'd have told me she was gonna be going for her master's degree, I would say, well, I don't know what you're smoking, but I'll take some of it. And I think Justin helped her, inspired her even, to go farther than even I think she thought she could go.

I had two dads. Like they were both great and I loved them equally, but I mean, he was a great dad. Like I called him dad. I didn't say stepdad. I had everything I wanted. He took care of us. He gave us the life that I always wanted my kids to have.

It was the life they both wanted. It was in a card or something like that where he said something to the effect of, thank you for giving me the family that I never thought I would have. And eventually they made it official. Our plan was get married this year at the courthouse and then the following year on our actual anniversary, have a big reception. In 2018, Justin and Stacey were married in a civil ceremony

with just family in attendance. She had waited so long for this moment. I remember just saying to him, if I knew that I had to go through eight years of shitty relationships and devastation to get to you, I would do it all over again. I would tell him that all the time. I would walk through every bit of it again to find you. And, you know, when I was single, I would think of like,

I wonder what his name's gonna be, you know? And like, I remember I'd tell him one time like, just love saying your name. Because I wondered for so long, like what your name would be. She finally knew her person and she was now Mrs. Justin Rutherford. Life got even sweeter when they bought their five-bedroom dream house, complete with a pool.

The kids were in heaven. They had made it. Cynthia worked with Justin and went to his home for parties. They seemed like the best American family. They had a beautiful home, they had a pool, they had the space for the kids to run around, they had a beautiful life. The Rutherford house was always a hub for social activity. Tyler and Michaela's friends spent a lot of time there. The pool, a movie theater, and all the video games, it was a big draw. And Stacey thrived playing hostess.

I loved when Tyler had all of his friends over in the summertime. He never had to ask out friends over. It was just all such and such a stay of the night. Four of them are, and you know, here I am cooking eight pounds of food, you know, but we loved it. I joked that I was gonna claim some of his friends

on my taxes because they were there so much. Their home life is something that I strive for, pure happiness. For the better part of six years, that's how Stacey viewed her life too, pure happiness. That was until August 10th, 2021, when she returned from work in the afternoon. When I first walked up to the house, I just saw a bunch of vans and SUVs and I thought

that he had a bunch of Tyler's hockey people over. But there were no cars she recognized. Stacy quickly learned that these were unmarked police cars. Her house was being raided. The detective came out, he was like, ma'am, calm down. Your family's okay, just come with us. I walked into the house. He was sitting at our kitchen table.

The cops were on like each side of him, guarding him. Detective Weaver said, well, I'm sure you know why we're here. And I looked at him and I was like, no, I absolutely don't know why you're here. There was such a deep feeling of knowing this is going to be bad and our life is never going to be the same. The police then wanted to meet with Stacey privately. I went downstairs into the man cave with the detectives and Detective Weaver had kind of laid everything out on the couch. I was sick. It was a sickness that I felt as soon as I saw it.

Why were the police surrounding Justin? And what did they show Stacey? It was just like, what is going on here? What in the world is going on? That's next time on Betrayal. On this season of Betrayal, a family is thrown into chaos. I mean, I was gonna shoot to kill

if he was coming after me and my kids. A husband, doctor, and father shocked his family. There's no way that he could have done this. And his patients. It was a totally different man. I said, I don't know who that idiot was, but it clearly was not Dr. Rutherford. As they learn who Justin Rutherford really is,

and what he is capable of. He to me is scarier than Jeffrey Dahmer. The level of manipulation was like a serial killer. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal team, email us at betrayalpod.gmail.com. That's betrayalpod.gmail.com. We're grateful for your support. One way to show support is by subscribing to our show on Apple Podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review Betrayal.

Five star reviews go a long way. A big thank you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Faison. Hosted and produced by me, Andrea Gunning. Written and produced by Carrie Hartman. Also produced by Ben Federman.

Associate producers are Kristen Malkyrie and Grace Bollinger. Our iHeart team is Allie Perry and Jessica Kreincheck. Special thanks to our talent, Stacey Rutherford, Tyler, and the rest of Stacey and Tyler's friends and family. Audio editing and mixing by Matt Zalvecchio. Editing support from Nico Aruca. The Trails theme composed by Oliver Baines. Music library provided by MIBE Music. And for more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts. Hey, girlfriends. It's me, Carol Fischer, back with another season of the global number one podcast, The Girlfriends. Last time we investigated the murder of Gail Katz. This time we're uncovering the identity of the woman who was buried in Gail's grave for a decade before she disappeared. Join me and the rest of the club as we tell her story. Listen to season two of The Girlfriends, Our Lost Sister on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A new season of Bridgerton is here. And with it, a new season of Bridgerton the Official Podcast. I'm your host Gaby Collins. And this season, we are bringing fans even deeper into the ton. Watch season 3 of the Shondaland series on Netflix. Then fall in love all over again by listening to Bridgerton the Official Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday. Hey, I'm Rachel Martin. You probably know how interview podcasts with famous people

usually go, right? There's a host, a guest, and a light Q&A. On NPR's new podcast Wildcard, we have ripped up the typical script. It's part existential deep dive and part game show. podcast.