Betrayal - The Perfect Husband | Jenifer's Story

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

Jenifer Faison, a successful reality television producer, waited for love and was thrilled when she reconnected with her college sweetheart 20 years later. They were older but the spark reignited and after a whirlwind courtship Jen and Spencer married and enjoyed a wonderful relationship. Everyone thought Spencer, a two-time “Teacher of the Year” award winner, was the perfect doting, attentive husband. But on June 1, 2018, when Jen arrived home, her husband holding a search warrant. The police soon arrived and took her husband out in handcuffs. It was the last time she has seen him. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [e-mail].  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Andrea Gunning, and I'm a podcast producer in Philadelphia. In the summer of 2019, I had just wrapped up a project when I met a fellow producer, Jennifer Fasen. She pitched a story she thought was compelling enough to make something of. And it turns out it was her own story. Information this morning about a Cobb County teacher in jail. Spencer Heron was arrested Friday at his home in Ackworth. Heron is currently in the Cobb County Jail on a $55,000 bond.

Spencer was Jennifer's husband of seven years. 20 years after dating in college, the stars seemed to align and they reconnected. When they decided to get serious, Jennifer moved from L.A., where she worked as a television producer, to Akworth, Georgia, where Spencer was a popular high school teacher. He was also awarded Teacher of the Year twice. We've learned his arrest stems from an alleged three-year sexual relationship with a 16-year-old female student. Investigator saying the team says it started back in 2016 when he allegedly groped her. It all happened on Kelle High School property.

The school's website lists the 48-year-old as the head of the career tech department and a coach. Jennifer was blindsided. I came home on June 1st, 2018. Spence didn't greet me. Instead, he was sitting on the couch, shaking his head. it's all over. It's all over. It's all over.

Nothing could have been more shocking from this popular teacher, respected coach, and loving husband. The arrests unlocked terrible secrets about predatory behavior that went against the image Spencer Heron fabricated for years. The cheerful neighbor,

member of the Air National Guard. The truth shook a community, devastated his wife, and sent Spencer Herron to prison. I'm Andre Gunning, and this is betrayal. Episode 1, The Perfect Husband. Spence and I met at college. I wanted to be in video production, and he was the station manager.

And I'll never forget our first meeting. He said, excuse me, do you know what time it is? And I said, oh, I don't wear a watch. She said, oh, me either. And that was kind of like the inn. And I don't know. It was just one of those things we just connected right away. He was a year older than I was.

And him being the station manager, he seems so cool to me. I remember I tried out for Anchor that semester, and he didn't choose me because he was afraid that if he did, everybody would know that he liked me. The word college sweethearts, that's what we were. We had so much fun. He would always try to do surprises for me or make a mixed tape. Every day when we would pass by each other in the hallways, he would give me a note.

He was just very attentive, and he was very caring. I'm Jeffrey Birch. And this is Gail Birch. I'm her stepfather. And I am her mom. She and Spence dated in college, and she was absolutely in love with him, and we loved him too. I'm Karen Fasen. And I'm John Fasin.

I'm Jen's father. And I'm Jennifer's stepmother. We thought a lot of him. We thought he was a wonderful young man. He had a great personality and, you know, just a real down-to-earth person, very personable and likable. and a talented fellow. I mean, he was a musician, and I mean, he played trumpet.

Very good, evidently. Jennifer's sister, Christy. You know, when people are in love, they just are beautiful because they're themselves and someone just totally accepts them for who they are and they just shine and they're beautiful.

Like, I remember seeing my sister and she was wearing a red winter coat. She just looked so beautiful. And it was because she was just so in love. I don't know when we started calling him St. Spence, but there were a few reasons why he was wonderful to my sister. When he got up, he was like, does anybody need anything? Or he would go get coffee for my sister.

He was polite and engaged with my mom and my grandparents. He was really curious about everyone. And he just didn't do anything. wrong. It was my senior year in college and I wanted to go out and, you know, enjoy my friends and have fun. So we broke up, still kept in touch. I think I can honestly say I broke his heart and he was very sad and tried to get me back. And it wasn't that there was anything wrong. It was just not the right time. So we were. Remain friends, but eventually went our separate ways.

My grandmother was upset. She couldn't believe it. She just thought Spence was perfect. She thought we were going to get married after school. My sister cried. She was like, how could you leave this great, perfect guy? You know, a lot of people can't understand, but at the time, that's just how I felt. I wanted to explore.

We dated for a year and a half, and it was one of those relationships where you realized what a good one looks like. She took her communication degree. She got into radio and was on the air in Minneapolis. From there, she decided that she wanted to see if she could get a producing job. in California. She just decided I'm going to L.A. and I'm going to find my mark. Spencer and Jennifer stayed in touch for a while. But like a lot of couples in college, they eventually lost touch and started their own lives. Jen was on a path. So we lost touch after that for a long time. I think partly because he was married and had kids and I wanted to respect that and those boundaries and that relationship.

Jennifer was ambitious. She built an impressive resume and reputation as a talented reality show producer and was even nominated for three Emmy Awards. You are about to enter the courtroom of Judge Judith Shindland. She also worked for Judge Judy. In fact, when it was nominated for a daytime Emmy, We got to go to New York to walk the red carpet. After a few years with Judy, Jennifer made her way from daytime to prime time.

She ended up getting a job with Extreme Makeover Home Edition with Ty Pennington. So she went all over the country. Jen was making her mark in the industry. She could go from Judge Judy to home makeovers to the craziness at the beach. One of the ones that I was shocked about was she was doing Jersey Shore. That's what Jennifer excels at, is being able to get along with everybody, keep peace amongst everybody, manage their different personalities, and then produce a great show. That's what she's good at. While Jennifer was building an impressive resume, Spencer had built a different life back in Georgia. Spence got married, had three great kids, and for many years, he was the stay-at-home parent who took care of those kids.

Kevin, Spence's best friend, described Spence as trustworthy and loyal. He was funny, very charismatic. He came from a big family. So he never had much, like in terms of physical possessions. and stuff, so we always seemed like a simple person. My name is Rod, and I've known Spencer since probably 1980, so maybe sixth grade. Rod and Spencer bonded over shared interests. Our high school was pretty small.

There was probably 150 people in the graduating class, something like that. I think we were both always top students and top popularity, I would think. Spencer grew up in Avondale Estates, 20 minutes' evening. east of Atlanta. It's kind of confusing. Spence's real father, Spence's real mother. They had this other couple that was good friends. And both couples, I guess you can say, split up and married each other. And so Spence has stepbrothers, real brothers, and half brothers. And there was a bunch of them. It's a little confusing, but Spence was part of a big blended family. There were six boys altogether. new goals and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt and I'm

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I've never actually called him Spencer. So everyone called him Coach Heron because he was the soccer coach. He coached girls soccer. Coach Aaron was my high school video productions teacher, my junior and senior year of high school. Everyone who had him loved him, he was the fun class, the fun teacher, the fun program. You got to be on the announcements, you know, you got to work on these cool projects. When Spencer was 37, he joined the Air National Guard and became part of the band. He was the oldest person in his boot camp class and kind of played. the role of dad there. And then out of the blue, 20 years later, Jen's first love reached out to her

on social media. I get a message from him on Facebook. He was planning his college reunion and saw me like a photo or something. So he reached out to me, hey, how are you? How's it going? What are you doing? He told me that he had kept up with my career and knew I was in L.A. And honestly, the first thing that I wrote to him back was, are you still married? Because I'm not going to get involved with somebody that's married. That's just not me. He wrote me back immediately, said, we split up four years ago. Great.

Well, then he says, so I know you travel a lot for work. Are you by any chance going to be in New York City? in December, which was a couple months away. He said, I'm going to be there with the Deca group from school. I said, no, you know, I don't usually work in New York. Then I go to the movies with my sister two days later and run into my old boss from Extreme Makeover Home Edition, who says, what are you doing right now? And I said nothing. I was in between jobs at the time.

He said, okay, I need to fly you to New York, and you need to help me out with this show. I said, okay, great, I'll do it. Hopped on a plane and flew out there. So I emailed Spence and said, hey, guess what? I'm here. I'm going to be here for about a month. And he said, great. I would love to see you when you're here.

And maybe you could even come and speak to the students. So I agreed to do that. One afternoon, rushed home from work, changed, tried to look as cute as possible. You know, it's December now in New York and hard to get a taxi at that time of night. So I was running late. The taxi drops me off about two blocks from the hotel because I just figured I can get there faster if I walk. So I walk in there and he's kind of leaning up against the wall, kind of cool.

And he sees me and I think both of our faces just light up. and gives me a big hug, and I just, I remember thinking, wow, he looks really good. I just, I got butterflies. I was excited to see him again. And then he and I went and walked around New York and talked and learned about each other again. And we sat in this cute little speakeasy bar. I noticed his sleeve kind of came up on his jacket, and I saw he had tattoos. And now I'm not a tattoo person, but for some reason this was so sexy to me.

You know, now he was cool. And everything I remembered. Everything I remembered. The two of them walked the city all night long, just talking and talking and talking. And that's when they said they just fell in love all over again. I was on cloud nine. He walked me back to my hotel room. Yes, he came inside. No, I don't usually do that. But it was Spence. And I always felt safe with Spence. I asked him if he could stay. And he said, no, I have to go back because he had to go back to a student. And the next morning, I woke up and I called my best friend crying because I was so sad that I may never see him at you. I really thought that was it. And something in me was really sad about that.

But that's not what happened. The whole New York trip was serendipitous. After 20 years apart, Jen and Spencer were reconnected. And this time, Spencer was not going to lose her. He continued to pursue me and text me and call me from Atlanta. to L.A. We would be up all night on the phone. So she went back to L.A. He went back to Atlanta area, and they continued with their phone conversations.

He had called us and said that he wanted to marry Jennifer, and he asked for permission. We said, we've always felt like you're part of the family. You know, you don't need to ask us. You just need to ask her. I said, the only thing we ask of you is that you go to L.A. and you visit Jennifer and you see what kind of lifestyle that she was living because she was very, very successful in her career, very successful financially, very established. And so he said, okay, he would do that because he was going to be asking her to possibly move

to this small little town in Georgia, pulling her away from L.A. And that was a concern that we had too Would she be able to adjust? Is that fair to her? Is that going to affect her career? So we remet in December 2011. We made the decision pretty quickly that I would move out there. And I didn't mind doing that.

I mean, it meant giving up a lot. My career was doing great. I'd really established myself, which in hindsight is a good thing because I was able to move to Atlanta and keep working. But his kids were there, and that was important to him. And being a stepchild myself, it was important to me that he stay as close to the kids as he could. So I decided I would move there.

I packed up my whole apartment, and then he flew out, and we drove my car across the country. Our first stop was Vegas. he gave me this booklet and in it were all these photos of the two of us, some of them from college and then some from New York and just, you know, when we had seen each other since. And at the very end was a picture of my grandmother's ring that he had gotten from my mom. He got down on one knee and he asked me to marry him. and I was so excited I wanted to be able to remember

exactly what it felt like and what it sounded like. So I said, can you ask me again? And he just laughed and he asked me again and of course I said yes. It was everything that I could have wanted.

It was like a movie. All of the thought and effort Spencer put into their engagement. She waited so long for love. They were so sweet together. Like he was very demonstrative with his affection towards her. He would say, look at Jen, look how cute she looks today. He was always very proud to talk about her and about her accomplishments and things like that. He would walk by her and just kiss her on the top of the head. You know, just was very sweet. And their little love story was very sweet and they loved to tell it. She was traveling, you know, producing a show and

coming back, he would always walk in and, you know, hugger and say, so glad you're home. Jennifer's friend, Danielle. I mean, he would just say, like, hey wife, you know, and he was so proud of that. He was such a doting husband. Every morning he would leave me a note by the coffee pot. Every single morning for six, seven years. He would text me during the day. I'd never worried about where he was or what he was doing.

I really, really thought we were living a fairy tale. Every time the clock would turn on 11-11, I would make a wish. And ever since Spence and I got back together in New York, the wish was, I hope Spence and I have a beautiful long life together. When the bottom drops out, you usually don't see it coming. And Jennifer never did. I came home on June 1st, 2018, and Spence didn't greet me. Instead, he was sitting on the couch in the living room, just shaking his head.

So I was joking around with him because he didn't jump up and say, wife, welcome back. And I walked over to him and he just kept shaking his head. It's all over. It's all over. It's all over. I kept expecting him to say, oh, just kidding. Because what could be that wrong that he would be feeling this way?

He slid a piece of paper to me. I just kind of glanced at it, trying to figure out what it was. and it said search warrant on top. I saw the word sexual assault and student. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt, and I'm Joel. We are from the How to Money podcast,

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Police arrested Kell High School teacher Spencer Heron on Friday at his home in Atworth. Investigators say he faces three counts of sexual assault. Imagine seeing that piece of paper. The search warrant knowing that everything in your life was about to change. He was charged with sexual assault with one of his own students. It had started when she was a sophomore in high school. I got up and stood in front of him and said, is this true? He said yes.

He said it happened three times. Spence is the last person that I would have ever guessed, would have taken, advantage of a kid. And I think anybody else that knew him would have said the same thing. To find out that he cheated on me, not with a woman, but with a 16-year-old girl, it is so hard to understand that. I just started pacing back and forth, telling him he ruined him. everything. He knew how much marriage meant to me. He knew what it meant to me. I thought I knew what it meant to him.

I sat across from him at that point because I didn't want to be near him. Just trying to make sense of what just happened in realizing that life as I knew it would never be the same. The future that we planned, was gone. It couldn't be true. Not her husband. The nicest, kindest man in the world. A predator? Not possible.

Except it was possible. It happened. It didn't take too long before I saw two Cobb County police officers drive past our house. I knew they were on their way back for Spence. They had already been there once with the search warrant and busted down our front door. They took a bunch of his stuff, his computers, hard drives, and a pair of his underwear. All Spence could talk about was killing himself at that point. So I sat down on the coffee table right in front of him where he was sitting on the couch,

and I just begged him not to do anything stupid. Her life was upended. Her husband was sitting across from her talking about suicide. It was all so scary and so much to digest. Jen felt conflicted by a feeling of obligation to Spence because of the vows they took. Jennifer, repeat after me. I, Jennifer. I, Jennifer.

Take the Spencer. Take the Spencer. To be my wedded husband. To be my wedded husband. I wanted him to know that somebody would be there for him. We were married. You're supposed to stick by your spouse, for better or worse. For better, for worse.

Till death do us part. Till death do us part. The cops came. I opened up the door and looked across to Spence and was so relieved when I saw him walking into the foyer. because if he had run, I don't know what would have happened, but he turned around.

He let them put the cuffs on him. Even after seeing the words sexual assault and student on the search warrant, Jennifer still needed to hear the police say it. I said, what are you arresting him for? They looked at him like, is it okay if we tell him? and he yells out, no, don't tell her anything, which is weird because he'd already admitted

what he had done. I guess he was still hoping to hide stuff. They walked him out of the house. I shut the door, and I couldn't watch them put him in the back of the car. And the foyer was the last time I've seen him. Jennifer was trying to process what had just happened. Unfortunately, what she learned that day was only the tip of the iceberg.

I was on a walk one morning, and I just thought, I need to call Jennifer. When I got home, I called her. She picked up the phone, and she was, like, in hysterics. And I was like, what's wrong? And she's like, they took Spencer away. She was in shock. It was like, Spence? Of all people, Spence?

Saint Spence? Jennifer wasn't in problem-solving mode. I think because I was distant from it, I could get into problem-solving mode. My thought was, if it's a student, it's going to get around really fast. Then my thought was, oh, God, the kids, they worship their father.

And that was my thought. I was like, oh, my God, do they know? How are they going to? find out social media these days. He needs to take down his social media, like all of this stuff. My sister called and said people are making comments. You've got to go in there and take down his account. I had never been in his account before. I never looked at his phone, his text, his computer, his Facebook, nothing ever. I trusted him with every piece of my being. Never, ever, ever would I have snooped.

But I knew Christy was right. So somehow I got into his Facebook account, which got me into his email. To say what she learned next was shocking would be an understatement. The student? Well, she was one of dozens of affairs that Spencer had been carrying on for years. And he was soliciting photos from these women. I only had to scroll down one row before the pictures of all these naked women were showing up on his computer. Woman after woman after woman.

I literally didn't know what was happening. Spence would never want women to send him pictures like this. He wasn't like that. He was not. No one wants to think that the person they love, that they're married. Mary too has a secret life. Jen had to face the hard truth. Her husband had betrayed her.

Not once, but every single day of their relationship. Through this podcast, Jen's about to go on a journey of discovery she never could have imagined. On this season of betrayal, Jen's going to talk to the sexual assault victim who is an adult now. The first thing he said to me was, I've never done this with a student. I've never felt this way about anyone. It's because I love you that we're doing this. There were dozens of affairs simultaneously.

Some women, she knew personally, like this one. How did I put this? Because it's not very kind towards myself. I was being used, but I really thought that he loved me. And even Spencer himself. This is a direct pay call from. An inmate at the Cherokee County Jail, Georgia. The lies, affairs, shame, the broken marriage, and stolen innocence.

We're going to talk about it all on betrayal. If you'd like to reach out to the betrayal team, email us at Betrayalpod at gmail.com. That's Betrayal P-O-D at Gmail.com. Betrayal is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group and partnership with IHeart Podcasts. The show was executive produced by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fasin, hosted and produced by me, Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Carrie Hartman, also produced by Ben Federman. Our I-Heart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Kreins, special thanks to voice actor Todd Gans, sound editing and mixing done by Matt DeVecchio, a trail's theme was composed by Oliver Baines, music library provided by my music. And for more podcasts from IHeart, visit the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts.

wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Joel and Matt from How to Money. If your New Year's resolution is to finally get your finances in shape, we've got your back. Prices, they're still high, and the economy is all over the place. But 2026 is the year for you to get intentional and make real progress. That's right. Yeah, each week we break down what's happening with your money, the most important issues to focus on, and the small moves that make a big difference.

Kick off the year with confidence. Listen to How to Money on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist, Dr. Steve Poulter to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name.

Part of the way through the Valley of Despair is realizing this has happened, and you have to make a choice whether you're going to stay in it or move forward. Our two-part conversation is available now. Listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. I'm John Polk. For years, I was the poster boy of the conversion therapy movement, the ex-gay who married an ex-lesbian, and traveled the world telling my story of how I changed my sexuality from gay to straight. You might have heard my story, but you've never heard the real story. John has never been anything that gay, but he really tried hard not.

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