Better Offline - AI Is Worse Than The Dot Com Bubble: Part One

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

In part one of this week’s series, Ed Zitron explains how the AI bubble could be so much worse than the dot com bubble - and how people are too flippant about the carnage caused by the 2000s tel...ecommunications bubble bursting. Please support me by subscribing to my premium newsletter - here’s $10 off your first year of annual https://edzitronswheresyouredatghostio.outpost.pub/public/promo-subscription/84rt762qen - it features an in-depth version of my dot com bubble analysis here: https://www.wheresyoured.at/dot-com-bubble/ YOU CAN NOW BUY BETTER OFFLINE MERCH! Go to https://cottonbureau.com/people/better-offline and use code FREE99 for free shipping on orders of $99 or more. --- LINKS: https://www.tinyurl.com/betterofflinelinks Newsletter: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/  Discord: chat.wheresyoured.at Ed's Socials: https://twitter.com/edzitron https://www.instagram.com/edzitron https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com https://www.threads.net/@edzitron Email Me: ez@betteroffline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:55 Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. AllZone Media. Hi, I'm Ed Zittron, and this is Better Offline. Welcome to dot-com week. I hope you enjoyed my chat with Matt Roseph to kick it off, and today is the first of a four-part special, but why I think the AI bubble is that much worse than the dot-com bubble.
Starting point is 00:02:33 So for almost five years, I put out a newsletter or article, basically every week that addresses the underlying financial rot at the heart of the tech industry, whether it be the outright corruption of the crypto industry, the bullshit of the metaverse, or the AI bubble that I won't shut up about. It's been some of the most challenging work I've ever done. I've been forced to learn accountancy, economics, and the names of at least 10 different guys I'd gladly see under a with a... I'm not an accountant, forensic or otherwise. I'm not a banker or a financial analyst. I've never worked as a venture capitalist or a hedge fund, or at a hedge fund, I guess that would be. I'm just the guy with a laptop and a microphone.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I think I've picked up a great deal of knowledge in the last few years and the clarity of starting from a position of, oh God, what does that mean, actually allowed me to see things in the way that many haven't, which is why I'm so utterly horrified when I hear people flippantly say that the AI bubble will work out fine because it's just like the dot-com bubble. While there are similarities, I need to be clear that I think the AI bubble is far, far worse and the calamity that follows will be far more destructive. Let's review. The dot-com bubble actually had two elements, the stable, sensible tech companies that actually made money, and then the likes of Pets.com and Webvan, both ideas that would eventually find margin positive
Starting point is 00:03:49 existence in the form of Tewy and Instacom. I'd also add the telecommunications companies onto the side of this as well, but technically they weren't making the websites. They were just building the internet. What buried these companies was their obsession with growth and a rush to take them public. The idea of ordering pet food or groceries online was one that would have made a lot more sense if more people were connected to the internet or had faster connections. In the year 2000, only about 52% of Americans were online and well, both webvan and pets.com were losing $2 for every dollar of revenue. I don't know, that shit didn't make any sense and it wouldn't have even if we had high-speed internet. But I think by the middle of the 2000s, we only had most people on at best 400
Starting point is 00:04:29 kilobits per second. So we're talking websites that took time to load. Anyway, the economics also didn't make sense. Now, the AI bubble differs insofar as that what we would have once considered stable, sensible tech companies are acting irrationally, having doubled, or in the case of Microsoft, tripled the amount of hardware known as PP&E that they operate in just a couple of years, with no signs of slowing down. These companies are racking up debt, entering into multi-decade-long lease agreements, and it accumulated so much hardware that the depreciation will erode any profitability for the short-term, medium-term future. For example, Microsoft went from how to how around $88 billion in PPNE, that's property plants of equipment, which is where the GPUs are, by the way,
Starting point is 00:05:12 in the beginning of 2023 to a remarkable $230 billion in PPNE as of its last quarter. And depreciation, by the way, is not a cash expense. They've already bought the GPUs and the service and the like. What it does, however, is sit there because they spread it out over five to six years, I think it's five and a half from Microsoft. They spread it out so it eats into that net, income side. So instead of the taking the immediate up front hit, they spread it out. So this means that each quarter, from here until fucking eternity at this point, Microsoft is going to be taking billions of dollars of depreciation charges. Now, while the dot-com bubble was wasteful, it didn't involve the largest and most well-respected tech firms in the world, accruing hundreds of billions of dollars
Starting point is 00:05:57 of GPUs that were obsolete a year or so after being installed. It also didn't involve billions in operational expenses or acres of data centers. In fact, there's really no comparison. Fiber doesn't compare at all. The scale of the fiber bill will get to it, but I just want to be clear that fiber is also something that you can use on many things. Fiber is something that another company could come up and run with. AI GPUs are extremely limited in their outcomes. I've been over this before.
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm not going to repeat myself. Perhaps I'll do a more in-depth episode on that in the future. But, look, in many ways, I fear the AI bubble is going to be worse than the dot-com bubble. it's going to make it look small. And we are already seeing some worrying signs. Now, let's start somewhere simple, though. Layoffs. Fun fact, even during the dot-com bubble, Microsoft barely had any layoffs, with the company growing its headcount, even as the tech industry around it was consumed in flames. The biggest round of firings I could find during the 1998 to 2008 period was between August 24 and January 2025, when it can, 76 members of its Xbox group, as well as 157 test engineers whose jobs,
Starting point is 00:07:06 were offshoreed to India. That gives you a grand total of 233 people. For comparison, Microsoft laid off 6,000 people in May of last year, or 3% of its global workforce. Now, that's not to say that people at other companies were equally fortunate. In 2001, some microsystems called 90% of its workforce, or 3,900 jobs. That was the first of many at that particular company. In 2001, the telecommunications sector cut, and I'm not shitting you here, $300,000. 17,777477 roles, with the computer industry second ranked for that year, shedding 153,000 and 952 positions. Similarly, Amazon saw its stock tumble in January 2000 when it was discovered that it laid off 150 people, 2% of its workforce at the time, and would lay off another 1,300 a year later,
Starting point is 00:07:57 or 15% of its workforce. Now, that, by the way, sounds like a lot, and also I think it's adorable back when the stock market cared when companies did layoffs. They don't today. And Amazon indeed is a very different company today, going from a fledgling digital bookseller to one of the largest retailers and cloud storage providers in the world, and a very profitable one at that. Yet this week, Amazon laid off another 14,000 people,
Starting point is 00:08:22 10% of its corporate workforce, around three months after laying off 14,000 more people in October 2025. Why? Well, it's two things. First, it's the scourge of Jack Welch. Go and listen to the shareholder supremacy from 2024, if you like that one. And the idea that laying people off, well, it boosts profits, which Wall Street loves now. Secondly, it's because Amazon is buying billions of dollars of GPUs, both from Nvidia and directly from TSMC for its tranium custom chips. That is, TSM, Time One Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation. They build basically every chip.
Starting point is 00:08:57 And Amazon, they build them internally using a company called Annapurna Labs. It's a whole thing. It doesn't really mean much. They're not as good as Nvidia's GPUs, but nevertheless, they keep fucking that chicken. And this is a massive burden on its earnings. These chips have their costs spread out, like I mentioned, as a depreciation charge, dragging down the profits that Amazon can report on its earnings in the process. While this isn't a problem when you buy one or two or ten GPUs, it becomes one when you have hundreds of thousands of the fuckers. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk, to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band
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Starting point is 00:13:23 Amazon had $16.7 billion of depreciation charges on its last earnings. That's a great deal. I think their net revenue was like $22 to $24 billion. Not great. In simpler terms, today's layoffs are happening, not because the companies are in trouble, but because they want to boost their profits at a time when AI. services aren't providing a profit and I don't think they ever will. Nevertheless, these layoffs are a sign of something. But these companies know that revenue growth isn't keeping pace with their ruinous expenditures.
Starting point is 00:13:53 The only jobs that AI is taking are those that the hyperscaler cuts to keep paying for its existence. In any case, people really need to recognize that the dot-com bubble wasn't some small event that could be casually waved off and other things that happen tell the story of what might before anyone left in or invested in the tech industry when it does. In 2001, VC funds raised 63% less than the previous year, and the amount of money going to startups, not just technology companies, dropped by slightly more. Then there's the stock market. If you held stocks in the company like Pets.com worth at its highest of relatively modest $400 million or web van with a peak market cap of $8 billion, you were completely fucking screwed.
Starting point is 00:14:35 Those companies went to zero or near enough. Even those who invested in established firms like Microsoft and Sun face their own haircuts, with Microsoft's share price dropping from a high of $120 to as little as $40, adjusted for the two stock splits that happened in 1999 and 2003. It would take around 17 years for Microsoft to reach its original dot-com bubble highs. The fact is, the dot-com bubble fucked a lot of people. The tech sector's share of employment wouldn't surpass the levels of the bubble era until 2015. In practice, this meant that newly graduated software, engineers couldn't find much work, and what work they could find offered stagnant wages that
Starting point is 00:15:13 didn't keep pace with inflation. That's the thing about the dot-com bubble. We like to think of it as something that happened around the turn of the millennium, but in practice, it took until 2004 for the contraction in the tech jobs market to finally bottom out. Existing workers face threats, not simply from economic-related cutbacks, making the company do the same with the resources they already have, but also from outsourcing, which grew exponentially in popularity in the early 2000s. This, incidentally, was around the time that China entered the World Trade Organization, meaning that in addition to cuts in the service-related sector of the economy, a lot of high-tech manufacturing jobs went out the door too.
Starting point is 00:15:51 The point I'm making is that the dot-com bubble was bad and that the second-order effects, the things that didn't get as many headlines or as much pop culture weight, were really truly gruesome. Now, there's a great line from the big short I always find myself returning to. It's when Ben Rick, the retired finance guy who came back in from the cold in all to help Brownfield Capital short the mortgage market, castigates the two young founders for celebrating what would be the trade of the century. If we're right, people lose homes, people lose jobs, people lose retirement savings, people lose pensions.
Starting point is 00:16:23 You know what I hate about fucking banking? It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number. Every 1% unemployment goes up. 40,000 people died. Did you know that? It's so fucking easy to talk about this period with statistical data, to talk about layoffs in abstract terms like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of jobs, or to say how the stock market contracted, but things would work out okay, that everybody would be fine in the future, and thus the fuck-ups today would be okay. I need to be clear that anybody who traded into the dot-com bubble got washed out, and similarly, anybody who believed story after story about the eternal growth from telecommunications or web startups lost almost everything, if not everything, they put in. Anybody who worked for Enron, the people that didn't know about the illegal bullshit happening lost every cent of their stock-based pensions. unemployment swelled to a peak of 6.3% in June 2003 and the NASDAQ lost nearly 80% of its value
Starting point is 00:17:14 from its peak in the year 2000. Anyone saying that this is just like the dot-com bubble as some sort of defense of the reckless, monstrous expenditures of the AI bubble is trying to find rationalizations for irrational reckless actions. These are likely privileged people who did find that at the time or have found ways to look back at a time of incredible suffering and believe that because things are better today that all of it was worthwhile. It wasn't. I know that the fibre buildout led to something, and I'll get to that in a future episode, I promise. But just because that happened doesn't make any of this worth it. All of the wasted money in that time could have been spread out over a more thoughtful period. It wasn't and people suffered as a result. I'm going to talk about this more next episode. Thank you for listening. Thank you for listening to Better Offline. The editor and composer of the Better Offline theme song is Matt Rosowski. You can check out more of his music and audio project. and Matasowski.com, M-A-T-T-O-S-O-S-K-I-com.
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