Better Offline - Monologue: AI's Desperation Era
Episode Date: November 7, 2025In this week's Better Offline monologue, Ed Zitron talks about OpenAI hinting they’d want a federal backstop for data center loans, NVIDIA’s weird, desperate post about China, and his deep... suspicion about OpenAI’s leaked numbers.Want to support me? Get $10 off a year’s subscription to my premium newsletter: https://edzitronswheresyouredatghostio.outpost.pub/public/promo-subscription/w08jbm4jwg It would mean a lot!WSJ: OpenAI Made a $12 Billion Loss Last Quarter, Microsoft Results Indicatehttps://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp-500-nasdaq-10-31-2025/card/openai-made-a-12-billion-loss-last-quarter-microsoft-results-indicate-e71BLjJA0e2XBthQZA5XThe Register: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarterhttps://www.theregister.com/2025/10/29/microsoft_earnings_q1_26_openai_loss/ YOU CAN NOW BUY BETTER OFFLINE MERCH! Go to https://cottonbureau.com/people/better-offline and use code FREE99 for free shipping on orders of $99 or more. --- LINKS: https://www.tinyurl.com/betterofflinelinks Newsletter: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/ Discord: chat.wheresyoured.at Ed's Socials: https://twitter.com/edzitron https://www.instagram.com/edzitron https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com https://www.threads.net/@edzitron Email Me: ez@betteroffline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hello and welcome to this week's Better Offline monologue.
I'm your host, Ed Zietron.
It's been a peculiar week.
Two days ago, Sarah Fryer, chief financial officer of OpenAI, said in a stage at a Wall Street
General Conference that an IPO isn't on the cards and foolishly said the OpenAI was, and I quote,
looking for an ecosystem of banks, private equity, maybe even governmental, and that the way
governments can come to bear can really drop the cost of financing but also increase the loan
to value, so the amount of debt you can take on top of an equity portion.
Now, she also, according to Bloomberg, hinted at some sort of federal backstop, literal backstop,
literal government backing for loans for data centers. Very strange. Now, I will add this as being completely
misreported as OpenAI demanding government funds. I'd someone ring me the other night,
said, did you hear about this? It's not what happened. To be clear, I believe absolutely that Sarah Fryer
was throwing out the idea to see if governments might bite, only to find the entirety of social media
and most of the mainstream media reacting like Fryer had kicked the family dog. Nevertheless,
I want to be clear that OpenAI has not requested a federal backstop and that, as ever,
It appears that even the big media outlets do not seem to go and listen to the things that people say or check.
It's ridiculous. This is a huge story if you misreported, which is what's happened.
Nevertheless, as I said on Blue Sky, this is an absolute diva moment for Open AI.
Oh, I'm so messy. I can't even afford me data centers. Please, Uncle Sam, I promised to spend $1.5 trillion in the next five years.
Oh, I'm so weak and powerless in the face of all the promises I made.
Grow up, wipe your own ass. If regular people promise to the...
bunch of people a ton of money that they couldn't afford, they'd be sued, put in prison,
or have their assets reduced to zero. Why do we have to do something different for open AI?
Anyway, this is not going to happen. I've never seen a more aggressive bipartisan descent for
an idea, decried by everyone from better off-line listeners in the middle of prying hubcaps off
of cars, to the powerful Dunst Coalition, led by Mattie Iglesias. Everybody fucking hates this
idea. And if I'm honest, I think everybody is sick and tired of AI. What was once a market-wide
consensus that AI was the future has now become a cacophony of hand-wringing in just about every major
media outlet. What hasn't helped was a very, very weird post from an Nvidia's social media
account, a single image that said, statement from Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang. As I have long said,
China is nanoseconds behind America in AI. It's vital that America wins by racing ahead and winning
developers worldwide. Um, not really sure what that meant, but this was, I found after the fact,
tied to a statement Huang made to the Financial Times that mostly said the same thing,
but I've got to say this is the weirdest statement I've seen. It's so weird. What do you want,
Jensen? More developers to developers buy GPUs? Also, wait a second. China doesn't have
the latest in video GPUs. How are they nanoseconds behind America? Surely America should be,
I don't know, hours, days ahead. Jensen, I don't know why you're using words that relate to time as measures
of distance. But nevertheless, why aren't American companies further ahead when they have easy access
to Blackwell and Soon Vera Rubin GPUs? What exactly do you want us to do, Jensen? What is the thing?
It's like vague posting being like, I really shouldn't be alone right now. You know, I've just,
I've had such a bad night. I wish someone would text me and tell me they're buying a GPU.
I don't know, man. You're the CEO of the largest company on the stock market. Do you not have a little more
pizze, little more ris-lis. Jensen, you're riseless, even with those beautiful leather jackets.
And it's almost as if there isn't a coherent reason to buy GPUs or any real progress coming
out of American AI labs, or really any of them. Were still, though, and this was the one that
really I think was underreported, during Microsoft's last earnings, the company reported a $4.1 billion
loss on their 32.5% stake in Open AI, meaning that due to the company using the equity method
for accounting, OpenAI lost $12 billion in the third quarter of this calendar year.
Now, OpenAI CFO, Sarah Fryer, said that this was way overestimated, and I want to be clear about
something. Microsoft's earnings are public filings, as they are a public company, meaning that these
are looked over by accountants and lawyers. Why is the chief financial officer of OpenAI disputing
these numbers? That's extremely goddamn weird. And this isn't the first time Sarah Fryer has
said some weird shit, even in this conference appearance, but in general, the other time I saw her say
that it was $35 dollars a token in the past for OpenAI's models.
35 bucks per million tokens doesn't even make sense, but I think 35 bucks per token would
mean they spend like trillions of dollars a year. Regardless, you're the CFO of OpenAI.
Shouldn't you know this shit a little bit better? Now, before you email me something about
gap earnings or accounting, I'm going to include links in the show notes because I assure you
this loss is directly reflective of OpenAI's actual losses.
And that's really weird, by the way. It's really weird indeed. And now that we know that, we have to ask, how bad are Open AI's actual losses? How much worse are things than we know? I assure you, this loss is real. I trust it. It's been well reported, looked over by actual accountants. I'm going to link to a Wall Street Journal piece where an actual accountant looked at this and made this statement. And I've got to ask, what is it that Sarah Friar and clammy-same don't want to be.
want us to know. What is going on? The information reported that in the first half of this year,
OpenAI made $4.3 billion of revenue, but had a net loss of $13.5 billion, but that's in six months.
Are those indicative of the real numbers? Has someone been fibbing? I trust the information's
reporting, by the way. I fully believe them. And I at this point am just concerned that we're
not getting the full picture. I don't know what Open AI is.
is sharing to people. I don't know how these reporters have got these numbers. But that $12 billion loss
in a quarter, that feels quite dramatic. And it feels a lot more than Open AI has been hinting they're
losing. What else don't we know? What else is going on in Open AI that we're not party to?
Hopefully we find out soon. In any case, it feels like something came unbuckled this week.
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