Better Offline - Monologue: OpenAI's Albatross

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

In this week's monologue, Ed Zitron walks you through how OpenAI's new image generator has become a massive burden on the company, and how OpenAI’s melting GPUs are a bad omen for the future.Vot...e for Better Offline's "Man Who Killed Google Search" as the best business podcast episode in this year's Webby's! Open until April 17! Vote today!https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/business Vote for Weird Little Guys in this year’s Webby’s! https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/crime-justice OpenAI’s new image generator is now available to all users - https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/31/openais-new-image-generator-is-now-available-to-all-users/OpenAI Forecast Shows Shift From Microsoft to SoftBank (citation for $13 billion number) - https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-forecast-shows-shift-from-microsoft-to-softbank?rc=kz8jh3 --- LINKS: https://www.tinyurl.com/betterofflinelinks Newsletter: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/  Discord: chat.wheresyoured.at Ed's Socials: https://twitter.com/edzitron https://www.instagram.com/edzitron https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com https://www.threads.net/@edzitronSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:21 Call Zone Media. You mean that turtle neck shirt, a tin pan, apple, a German shepherd, a wristband, stand, and lurching Redbird, and more braves than the Turner Network. This is your weekly Better Offline monologue, and I'm your host, Ed Zittron. Now, before we go any further, I need your help. I, look, Better Offline is up for a Webby, and I really need you to vote for best episode in the business category. It's The Man Who Kill Google Search, it's Propagall Ragavan, let's get him. I realize it's a huge pain in the ass to sign up for something and vote, but I've never won an award in my life, and I'd really appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Link is going to be in the episode notes, and while you're there, also vote for the wonderful Molly Conger's weird little guys, also have a link to. I know signing up to stuff is annoying. I'm asking a lot from you, but there you go, I'm doing it. Anyway, to the monologue. I feel like we're approaching a choke point in the whole generative AI bubble, the culmination of over a year of different narratives and pressures that I believe will lead to an ultimate collapse. Last week, OpenAI released an image generator with GPD40, which quickly gained massive attention for its ability to create images in the style of famed Japanese animation company Studio Ghibli. And to be clear, I think these images are an abomination,
Starting point is 00:01:39 and everyone involved in launching this tool has committed a mortal sin. Anyway, nevertheless, creating these disgusting, disgraceful images comes at an incredibly high cost. And for the last week, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman has been complaining about their GPUs melting, leading to OpenAI having to limit free users to only three image generations a day, along with longer wait times and capacity issues with video generator, To make matters worse, Autman also announced that, and I quote, by the way, that users should expect new releases from OpenAI to be delayed, stuff to break, and for services to sometimes be slow as we deal with capacity challenges. This led me to ask a very simple question that I think everybody in the tech media really should be asking.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Why can't Sam Ortman ask Microsoft for more GPUs? The answer is, as you may have guessed from my last monologue, is that there may not actually be capacity. for them to do so. OpenAI's relationship with Redmond has grown kind of chilly over the past year. I'd speculate that Microsoft has refused to provide additional immediate capacity or has refused to provide capacity on the chummy terms that OpenAI previously enjoyed, receiving a significant discount on the usual ticket prices in the past. We know that Microsoft has both walked away from two gigawatts of future compute capacity and declined the option to spend another $12 billion on CoreWeave's compute and CoreWeave, if you don't remember there that the publicly traded
Starting point is 00:03:02 data center AI company, a whole dog's dinner onto itself. And analyst House T.D. Cohen suggested that this is a sign that Microsoft is no longer willing to shoulder the immense financial burden of supporting OpenAI. Even though OpenAI picked that option up, which, by which I mean they took the $12 billion of compute, it isn't clear if Corweave can actually build the capacity they need, and definitely don't think they're going to be able to do it in the time they need it. Microsoft allegedly walked away from CoreWeave due to its failure to deliver, and that delivered the services they asked for, and indeed probably the computer as well. If that's true, it's unclear what has changed to make CoreWeve magically able to support OpenAI,
Starting point is 00:03:43 or even how a company that's drowning in high-interest debt can finance the creation of several billion dollars worth of new data centers. Also, it's not quite as simple as OpenAI calling up a data center company with a bunch of GPUs and running chatGPt.EXE. Open AI likely has reams of different requirements, and the amount of GPUs they will need will likely vary based on demand, putting them in a problematic situation where they could be committing to a bunch of compute that they don't need if demand slows down. I've heard that companies generally want a six to 12-month commitment for GPUs too. The cost is fixed, no matter how much they get used, or at least there's a minimum commitment. But let's assume for a second that demand for chat GPT continues to rise. How does OpenAI actually...
Starting point is 00:04:27 get that compute. If Microsoft isn't handing it over, and the information reports that OpenAI still projects to spend about $13 billion on Azure Cloud in 2025, there aren't really a ton of other options, especially for a company with such gigantic requirements, meaning that whatever infrastructure Open AI is building is a patchwork between smaller players, and using so many smaller providers likely creates unavoidable inefficiencies in overhead. I'm naming another pale horse of the AI apocalypse, by the way. Limits to service. and service degradation across chat GPT. Open AI is running out of compute capacity.
Starting point is 00:05:02 They've talked about it since October of last year, and ChatGPT's new image generation is a significant drain on their resources, meaning that to continue providing their services, they're going to need to expand capacity or reduce access to services otherwise. The problem is that expanding is extremely difficult. Data centers take three to six years to build, and Open AI's planned Stargate Data Center won't have anything ready before 2020. at the earliest, which means we're approaching a point where there simply might not be enough
Starting point is 00:05:31 data centers or GPUs to burn. While OpenAI could theoretically go to Google or Amazon, both of those companies are invested in Anthropic and have little incentive to align with OpenAI. Meta is building their own chat GPT competitor, and Elon Musk despises Sam Orpman. Real shithead versus fuck what situation there. While I can't say for certain, I can't work out where OpenAI will get the capacity to continue. And I just don't know how to be. they're going to expand their services if Microsoft isn't providing capacity. Yes, there's Oracle, which OpenAI has a partnership with, but they're relatively small in this space. ChatGPT's image generation has become this massive burden on the company right at the point where it's introducing
Starting point is 00:06:11 some of its most expensive models ever, and the products themselves are extremely expensive to run. Deep research is perhaps the best example, using OpenAI's extremely expensive O3 model, which can cost in some cases as much as $1,000 per query. Deep research is probably cheaper, but not that much cheaper. Probably, I've heard rumors, and this is a rumor. It's a rumor. I've heard like a dollar or two per query. If that's the case, that's fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Anyway, while OpenAI could absorb the remaining capacity at, say, Crusoe, Lambda, and CoreWeave, this creates a systemic risk where every GPU provider is reliant on OpenAI's money, and this assumes that they'll actually have enough to begin with. Open AI also just closed the largest private funding round in history. 40 billion theoretical dollars valuing the company at a ridiculous 300 billion dollars raised from, you guessed it, SoftBank and other investors.
Starting point is 00:07:03 That's good news, right? Not really. In truth, OpenAI really only raised $10 billion, with $7.5 billion of those dollars coming from SoftBank and another $2.5 billion coming from other investors, including Thrive Capital and Microsoft. The remaining $30 billion of which SoftBank is on the hook for $20 billion of will arrive at the end of the year. That's all we've got. But OpenAI will only get $10 billion from soft bank, so bringing it down to a $30 billion round total, if Open AI fails to convert from a non-profit to a for-profit company by the end of 2025, a massive acceleration there.
Starting point is 00:07:39 As a reminder, Open AI is a weirdly structured non-profit with a for-profit arm, and their last round of funding from October 2024 had another caveat, that if OpenAI failed to become a for-profit company by October 2026, all of the last round of funding from, investment dollars would convert into debt. I've also read that they would have to hand the money back. I'm not sure whether that's the case. Debt is the one that's been reported the most. Furthermore, OpenAI loses money on every single prompt on chat GPT, even from their $200 a month chat GPT pro subscribers. The burdensome interest payments would make it even harder for Open AI to reach break-even, which right now it doesn't even seem like they can do anyway.
Starting point is 00:08:19 As another reminder, SoftBank is a company that has now invested. in two different fraudulent schemes, wire card and green seal capital, the latter of which helped put the nail in the coffin of Credit Suisse back in 2023, and put $16 billion into Wii work. It will be incredibly, some might say impossibly difficult, and I'll cover this in the future episode, to convert Open AI into a for-profit company, and the fact that SoftBank is putting this caveat on their investment heavily suggests that they have doubts it will happen. And I must be clear, when the Monopoly Man is getting nervous, you should get nervous too. The fact OpenAI accepted these terms also suggest they're desperate, and I don't blame them.
Starting point is 00:08:58 They've committed $18 billion to the Stargate Data Center project, will spend $13 billion on Microsoft Computer Loan in 2025, according to the information, and they've now created an incredibly popular product that will guarantee people come and use it like twice and then never use it again. Now, keep a keen eye on any restrictions that OpenAI makes on Chat GPT in the coming months. I do not see how this company survives, nor do I see how they expect. their capacity much further. Price increases, rate limits, and other ways of slowing down the pressure on their servers will likely suggest that Open AI is up against the wall, both in their ability to support the services they provide and the costs they must bear to provide them. We are entering the hysterical era of the bubble. The time when the craziest stuff will happen as the money does everything it can to keep the dream alive. I look forward to telling you what happens next.
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