Better Offline - Radio Better Offline: Kyle Barr, Alex Cranz & Michael Fisher

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Welcome to Radio Better Offline, a tech talk radio show recorded out of one of iHeartRadio's satellite studios in New York city. Ed is joined by Kyle Barr of Gizmodo, freelance writer Alex Cranz and content creator Michael Fisher (AKA Mr. Mobile) to talk about the weird and fun gadgets that are still getting made, both in the US and abroad. Latest newsletter: How To Argue With An AI Booster - https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-to-argue-with-an-ai-booster/ Latest premium newsletter: How Does GPT-5 Work? - https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/  Meshtastic Explainer: https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1bpa7hu/explain_meshtastic_to_me_like_i_have_a_learning/ CyberDecks: https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberDeck/  Alex Cranz:https://bsky.app/profile/cranz.bsky.socialhttps://x.com/alexhcranz Kyle Barr: https://x.com/KyleBarr5 https://gizmodo.com/author/kylebarr Screw Foldables: Lenovo’s Rollable Laptop Proves There Are Better Uses for Flexible Screenshttps://gizmodo.com/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-gen-6-rollable-review-2000637995 Framework Laptop 13 Review: Wait, Did I Actually Have Fun With a PC? https://gizmodo.com/framework-laptop-13-review-wait-did-i-actually-have-fun-with-a-pc-2000590685This Gaming Handheld’s External Battery Isn’t as Dumb as You Think https://gizmodo.com/this-gaming-handhelds-external-battery-isnt-as-dumb-as-you-think-2000639520 I Flew Insta360’s First Drone With a 360-Degree Camera, and It’s DJI’s Worst Nightmarehttps://gizmodo.com/after-using-this-360-drone-ill-never-look-at-flying-cameras-the-same-way-again-2000641466  Michael Fisher:http://threads.com/captain2phonesChannel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSOpcUkE-is7u7c4AkLgqTw Motorola Razr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGTkjchlVJk Light Phone https://youtu.be/fRRNSEb1DAQ?si=uTZ6lOw1925K2y05 The Minimal Phone https://youtu.be/atYcpCoghnc?si=uxybVX3iyyCVn1Tu  TRMNL https://youtu.be/Ax792f2RbIY?si=bRCEmDh_Bd362WwgGalaxy Z Flip 7 https://youtu.be/1WLIY7oObvU?si=4KIgxuROrMHCJCEx Better Offline listener deal: Get $15 Off Where's Your Ed At Premium! Deal goes until the end of August.https://edzitronswheresyouredatghostio.outpost.pub/public/promo-subscription/better-offline-discount YOU CAN NOW BUY BETTER OFFLINE MERCH! Go to https://cottonbureau.com/people/better-offline and use code FREE99 for free shipping on orders of $99 or more. BUY A LIMITED EDITION BETTER OFFLINE CHALLENGE COIN! https://cottonbureau.com/p/XSH74N/challenge-coin/better-offline-challenge-coin#/29269226/gold-metal-1.75in --- LINKS: https://www.tinyurl.com/betterofflinelinks Newsletter: https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/  Discord: chat.wheresyoured.at Ed's Socials: https://twitter.com/edzitron https://www.instagram.com/edzitronSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am of course your host Ed Zittron. And we are in a very intimate podcast studio on like 9th Avenue. And it's a wonderful day. The last episode we got lost, but it will not be happening this time. All of you were very kind with the notes you sent. One of you said, why don't you take a backup? Thank you. We never thought of that.

It's not like there was another issue that could have happened in the fucking radio station. Anyway, today we have a wonderful Gizmos and Do Dad's episode. On my right, I have the wonderful Michael Fisher, Mr. Marball himself. Ed, nice to be back. Thank you for having me. And so happy to have you here. Alex Cran's the wonderful Gizmo and Gadget Queen. Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about the Gizmos.

Me too. But not the gadgets. And I'm knocking my phone over. That's staying in the episode. That's where my elbow goes. Yeah, that's what you feel about gadgets. That's important of good luck. And there we go.

That's what we do before every episode. And Kyle Barre of Gizmodo is here as well. Hello, I exist. And he does exist. So this episode actually came from an idea of, I told you all this now, went on Amazon, typed in gadgets. Because I was like, I have, like, I mostly spend money on, like, Diet Coke and occasional baseball games and flights. And, like, weird protein snacks. I don't really, like, so I was like, you know what, I want some doodads.

I want to see what gadgets are going. Typed in gadgets into Amazon. Fuck all appeared. It was like phones and laptops. I'm like, I don't need a new phone or laptop. I'm happy with those. I want something weird and stupid. And I genuinely was like, wait, why is it so hard to find these?

You go on a tech site these days. It's all about fucking AI. So I brought you all together to talk about the weird stuff you've been looking at. And Michael, one of my favorite things you do is you've been the flip phone, foldable advocate. And honestly, I'm deeply jealous you're on Android. I'm so addicted to my message. It's so much fun.

You have so, you've got a device in front of you. I do. And the Honor Magic V5, which you cannot buy it here. One of the world, you cannot buy it here, no. One of the world's thinnest foldables, the thinest foldable if you decide to lie about it in your spec sheet. Yeah. It's gorgeous. Yeah.

And this thing is, and obviously we'll have links in there, but this thing is you can see the crease, but you can't really when you're looking at it. No. I find these things magnificent. I realize that they're imperfect, but I think they're just lovely. And there's rumors that Mark German was tweeting earlier about Apple's foldable. Yes. Please do it. Please do the Apple.

That's all I want. Cosine. Yeah. Big agree. I mean, I want this, but not Android. and sold in the United States. And no huge camera bump. Oh, see, I like the camera bump.

I think it gives it all kinds of character. Slap a big... What is those with the quad orio? Quad stuff or whatever? Slap a big one of those on the back of my phone. I feel like I prefer... So this thing has a giant circular, like, blob coming out of it. Like a giant...

Moon crater. Love that. The size of a thing you would stick, like a phone onto a magnetic phone thing, like a fairly large circle. I prefer that to the weird boils coming off my iPhone. The camera bump, the pills.

And you get a case on, so you've now got a raised bit with three. And I don't know. I don't like that. I don't think it looks good. I like that it captures all of the lint. Yes. Anytime I put it in my pocket,

I'm like, oh, yeah. There's a bunch of crap on, and also just a new thing for me to scratch. Yeah, it's the best. I love it. I think that that what we're running up against, though, is we're approaching the limits of the current interfaces we have.

I think that we are the current tablet phone interfaces and the current laptop phone interfaces are just kind of maxed out and I'm wondering if the next thing is just foldables and extendables and all this shit. Not according to Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg has re-imagined his AI department four times in the last year. It's so cool.

I love that this, he's going to apparently release a wrist thingy. Yeah, yeah, no, he's doing the wrist stuff for better tracking. What is, so do you have any idea, Alex, what he's doing? Yeah, so his whole conceit until AI came around was that the metaverse was going to be the next big thing. He's since changed his tune, except for presumably at, what is it, Connect back in next month. And one of the things he's doing is making it easier to track, you track your hands and stuff. When you put on these headsets, whether it's the Apple Vision Pro or the Oculus. Which is cool.

Yeah, they're cool. But when you put them on, you do hand tracking. And it's kind of like, okay, but not great. Yeah. It's, like, good enough for some, like, games. Like, but even then, you're just still using the controllers anyway. Right. And, and this, this bracelet, you know, we've seen this before.

I think Leap did it, like, 10 years ago. Oh, yeah. And, but it really, it's meant to just be better at tracking you and tracking your hand booths. To be clear, you have to be in VR for this to mean anything, right? You have to first have an Oculus on your head? Or be wearing glasses that have it. That's the whole thing. Like, they're moving towards the one day when they can do the glasses.

But we've been, they've been, everyone's been promising. glasses for 10 years. But props, though, I have to say. The ray bands are outstanding for content capture. I think we all agree on that. They're really, really good. From a phone call perspective for listening to music. Wait, wait, wait, phone call work. How's the phone? How's that work? It's a Bluetooth connection to your phone just like earbuds. Oh, so it just connects. Yeah, yeah, because you've got the putting my hands in front of the mic. Take that back. Yeah, yeah, because you've got the microphones in the nose piece of the glasses, so it listens really, really well. And you can hear music. using the glasses?

Yeah, because of the little speakers shooting into your ears over the other people. They're really, really good. That's really. And some of the best phone calls. I hate and love this. Yeah.

It's cool, but it's also meta. So, well, the tragedy of it is that those are practical benefits that we all love about them, and they have a pretty good camera. But meta refuses to market them as such because they want to market them as an AI tool. So it's like, no, you've got to use meta AI

to ask what you're looking at and what's the best pool shot I can get on this billiard table. It's like, no, shut up. I love that fucking use case as well because it's like, I don't walk around being like, what the fuck is What the fuck is that? What is just like, sorry everyone, this is my first rodeo.

Like, I'm just like constantly surprised by everything. Yeah. But I hate that it's them. It's the onion thing, the worst person you know. Yeah. That's a pretty good point. But the thing is, Kyle, you actually talking of glasses, you were looking at this Insta 360 thing.

Yep. Where you were wearing these robotic glasses? It was like connected to a drone. No, this thing, I will link to it in the notes. This thing looked fucking cool. So those glasses that almost make you look like Kamen Rider, like that Japanese superhero, it's all part of this giant apparatus from Insta 360. You know, they make 360 cameras.

Okay, so what are they going to do when they make a drone? Well, they just slap a 360 camera on it. Okay. But then they also add the pair of goggles that's similar to the DGI goggles that you already can get. But this one makes you able to kind of look around in a 360 space. So as you're flying around, you literally can turn around and see below you, see above you, see whatever is happening around you. Is it cool?

As far as like flying around, you know, it's, there's other drones like FPV drones, which also have like a lot more maneuverability to capture that. First person view. So it's almost like you're, you can do flips and stuff with it. Like when you're in a video game. Yeah, exactly. That's so cool. So, but this one is more just like experiential.

You can say it's like a quote unquote immersive. That's the word they like to use. I prefer to just say, you're a big floating head in a glass jar high above the ground. Again, video games. That's just, that's awesome. I like, even though I know in your review you were like, it's imperfect, there are issues. Actually, what were the issues you've rallied? So, I mean, it's not like the best flyer.

There was problems when you're trying to bank. It'll just stop. What do you mean by banking? When you're trying to turn. Oh. Like, this isn't actually a product yet. It's not out in the open. It's going to be in, like, 2026.

This is just like the first iteration and they're trying to show it off to people. And they're really trying to make it like a thing. It's also going to cost like probably more than $2,000 I can already tell. I can't hate. The thing is this is not meant to be like for everyone. And I'm glad someone's doing something different. Yeah. It's so cool.

You can look around a bit. If you go like going on a weird canyon or something. Oh, go fly it like above something. Like I like there. I'm glad that there's something happening. Yes. Sorry. No, go on the please.

I just covered something. thing that is almost exactly the opposite of this, right? Where this is this total immersion thing that you use outside. And I just got done covering Terminal, which is this little tablet for the home. I hate that thing. Oh, I'm excited to hear why you hate it. Hold on. Let me tell you what it is.

Terminal take out all the vowels because it is, in fact, 2008. And you put this in your house. It's like $150 or something. It's just an e-ink screen that gives you ambient information throughout the day. It's like one of these Google Home or Amazon things that has a screen, except the screen is much less distracting. And it is, it only refreshes once every five minutes. And it doesn't listen to you, doesn't do anything like that, just tells you the weather, tells you when the next train is, tells you how many city bikes are at your desk or your dock. But it doesn't always refresh. And so

you're like, oh, it's not going to rain. And then you just go outside and you're like, well, shit. Whoops. Yeah. So you're right, because it's this very hackery thing. Not only do you have to tell it, like, it's not like an iPad where you're like, okay, refresh every five minutes. It's like, okay, now you have to go in and tell all the tools you added that you want them to refresh every five minutes, too. It's like a pebble smartwatch circa 2012. It's like, okay, well, we've got to tweak it. Yeah. You've got to mess with it.

You have to tweak it so much. But it was, I don't know, I really wanted to like it, but the slow updates and it's just, it's very hackery. And I was like, I'm too old today. I don't know. Maybe it was just that day. I appreciated it. I liked having to put the effort in because here's the thing. I take the ferry everywhere, right?

I don't take a subway because I don't have a subway near my house. But to do that, you had to, like, go get the way. the API yourself from the Ferry website and like plug it in and do all this crazy stuff. That's insane. It was fun though. It was like, you want to nerd out? I'm nerding. Okay.

No, this is great. No, you're right. I know, I like this whole thing. And is it super customizable? So it just requires the API? Yeah. I mean, depending on what you want to do. Yeah, and it's like, what, $100?

$150, something like that. Yeah, it's just a little. Any subscription? No. No. Wow. So is it, when you say the API from the ferry, do you, can you code? Did you have to code it in?

Or is it just you give it a, the API token? and it refreshes the data. Doing kind of stolen valor for nerds because I'm like, no, you just follow the instructions of the thing, you copy a paste of thing. That's fine. Someone smarter than us has come before us. And we love them. I put a table of contents into my newsletter today and I had to like learn, get my editor to do the HTML and then explain how it works. Yes.

That's part of being online. It's like learning, standing on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. Like you get two kinds of redditors. You get the one that's just like, I'm just the casual racist. And then you've got the one which is like, I'm actually the expert in home. brew on PlayStation portables. Yeah.

And I'm like in the middle of you, too. I like the idea, but as ever, I'm like, what shit do I actually need to know every few seconds other than like what the last thing someone posted was? Yeah, I think if I was like a YouTuber, if I was doing that sort of stuff, I probably want it more. I'm just in my house smoking weed. So it's like I just need to know, am I going to get rained on when I go sit on the deck? Right.

And it's sometimes good at that. And I haven't plugged it in at least a month. Give it another go. Yeah, I'll plug it in when I'll plug it in when I go. get home. Thank you. This actually reminded me of something that you've posted about Kyle as well, which is the GPD Win 5, which is a one of Kranz's favorite industries, the little, the portable PC things. Oh, it's so fun. Because we're talking about like real just like wrinky dink shit. It has an extent, an external battery. Yep. So imagine, you know, you got your steam deck like handheld,

except, you know, the battery life keeps dying. You're like, oh, that sucks. If only it had a bigger battery, well, they have a bigger battery. It's just attached to a cable and you just, You have to, you can slap it onto the back of it. Have you held it yet? No, no. I mean, a lot of these companies, like, you know, a lot of the janky or handhelds are all, like, China-based companies. Oh, yeah. They're all just, like, cranking them out routinely, like, GPD.

This is the fifth one. I have the GPD win for. Yeah. And it is, I love it, and I fucking hate it. It is so large. It is so much larger than it. It doesn't feel as large until you've used it for one minute, and you're like, oh. But it scratches that itch, doesn't it?

Oh, it does. It feels just like a PlayStation portable if I tape three of them together. But I went and watched the video. And this thing, just for the uninitiate, is just a Windows tablet in a PlayStation portable handheld form. And it's cool when it works.

She can play Hades 2 and it looks great. Feels great. They took the keyboard off this year. It's not, it doesn't have a keyboard. You can no keyboard. Okay, so that's the... Wait, I swear there's one with a keyboard you can slide up.

That feels like... That was the wind for. Four? I'm pretty, yeah. And I like GPD, by the way, because they do just crank out these insane looking... Like a... Yeah, we've got a 10 and...

10.4 inch tiny laptop with the worst keyboard you've used in the world. It sucks, but it rules. And you're like,

ooh, why did you make this? Who's buying this? And it's like, every Kickstarter is 10 million that you're like, ah, criminal enterprises.

No one is buying these things, but we are all loving them. I love that they're experimenting. But I actually, this is my controversial. I don't mind the external battery. I don't either is the weird thing. Because,

okay, I already have to do that. Like, with my switch too, I just review, there's a case that I got that has the external battery, you slap it on to the back, and now it's lasting four hours instead of two. You already kind of have to do that with a lot of these handles, unless you're just sitting at home playing it on your bed where you have the cable right next to you and you're like, I'm running low, plug it in and go do something else or something, you know. Yeah, you get the 10-foot USBC cable and then you get the even longer power cable and you plug everything together and you suddenly got 20 feet of reach. I mean, right.

I've seen a few people derisively talking about this external battery situation. It's like, I don't know. I love my Rogg-Ax ally. I really do. But that motherfucker, if you leave it, it's like you hit sleep and it just, you're like, this will sleep and you come back in an hour and it's dead. It's just, oh, it woke up. Well, that's because the Windows machines really struggle with powering down.

I'm just going to say, I'm glad nothing has changed in Windows for the last 20 years. It's great. Yeah, it will never change. Windows will always be the most inconsistent handling of power. I think Microsoft is truly evil. I think the micro, like, they have, like, such an open goal here with handhelds. They have companies. I know that they're doing an Xbox Rog Ally X.

And I saw fucking Tom Warren on the verge going, for the first time, you just hit a button, you go to Windows. Actually, Tom, you could do that with all the rocks. But it's just like, they're like, we're releasing a special Xbox. Did we change Windows in any way? Fuck you, customer. You piece of shit. Well, and usually. We laid off everyone who did that.

I will say, usually it's not Microsoft's fault. It's usually these other companies They're just not building the drivers and stuff to properly handle power management But it is also Microsoft's fault Because the Xbox Rog, what? I didn't even hear about this. Tell me more.

You didn't hear it. The Xbox Ally? It appears to just be a ROG ally. It is basically a ROG ally. Don't I have a weird, like handheld? Yeah, there's the Xbox grips that come along with it. Okay, so according to... I want those grips so bad.

So this is the thing, you don't even need to get the new one, really? They sell the grips? Well, no, because if you want the GRIPS. grips and you have to get the new one. But the whole thing with it now is that they've changed the software. They're saying that they've limited the enough

a number of stuff on the back end so that it should run better, it should sleep better, so it should be better with power management. And this is a lot of shoulds right? Because you know, none of us have actually put it through its spaces like over a long term. I just think that Microsoft is trying, but they're

doing it so late and it's coming off of like a bunch of stuff that happened recently with Xbox. that made him look really bad, so it looks like they're trying to hard. They had a handheld, right? They had a handheld. It was long rumored. I remember Tom was covering it at the verge,

and then they just abruptly killed it because they realized... I wasn't sure how far along that was, even. Well, my understanding was this fairly far along, but they were entirely dependent on streaming to handle it. They got a... Xbox GamePass. Yeah, Game Pass is great.

I use it on my Steam deck, but it's not great enough to do it that way. Yeah, we're not there yet. Yeah. This actually reminds me I wanted to ask you about this at some point. You said something about G-Force now in store, and I've seen stories about this. What is this G-Force-N-N-Store thing? Wait, I mean, I just know G-Force Now. You tell me.

Okay, well, okay. G-Force Now, they just released an update. So, G-Force Now is a streaming service. You have to play your own games versus, like, you know, other, like, Xbox's cloud gaming thing, where you can use their games and, like, you're paying for the service. This one, you're paying for the service to use their servers. to download the games and play them remotely. Right.

They've just added a thing where supposedly you'll be able to just kind of use your whatever games, like not even on their list, as long as a developer opts in, whatever that really means, if they're already opted in probably. Then you can just rent out space on their servers to download that game and then basically just have a Shadow PC to play those games. Oh, interesting. That's been going, I mean, there was the company Shadow. Yes, that's exactly what I'm still around.

Yeah, well, are they? They are. The service sucks. They're just really expensive. And I mean, Invidia, the reason they're likely doing this is they have a lot of server space. They have a ton of server space because it's Invidia, and they've currently made everyone's 401K beautiful. For now. For now, at least the end of this month.

Until Wednesday. Until Wednesday. No, we don't know that yet. But yeah, that's why they're doing it is they have all this server space and it's like, why not make a few extra bucks? because it's not going to be a huge money driver for them, but there are people out there who want to play their games remote. They used to be able to do that when it first launched. Yes.

That'll get a little more popular once we get one of the more gadgety elements of phones back, which is this, remember Samsung Dex? This sort of desktop simulator that lets you plug your phone into a monitor and keyboard and mouse and it acts like a laptop. I love decks. Well, it's been just decrepit and gathering dust for ages. It hasn't been updated in a meaningful way in a long time. But now that Android, Google's building it into Android 16,

as this kind of mode that will not require you to have a Samsung phone. You can have any Android phone running 16. But one of the things I did was, thank you for reminding me about Shadow, because I forgot. Last time I reviewed Samsung Decks, I used Shadow to play, like, Titanic Adventure Out of Time and other CD-ROM classics from my youth. And it was absolutely great. But wait, wait, wait, wait.

What does Dex actually do? So you plug your phone into a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Do you need a dock or something? You do not, the USBC, H-TRI, whatever. And then it just creates a desktop environment like Windows. Except it's Android. It's your phone. So you don't have to find a Wi-Fi hotspot. You've ready to get a cellular connection.

You don't have to move your files to it because your files were already on your phone. The Atrix promised us this. Indeed. 15 years ago. What was the Pad phone? The Atrix. What was this? Motorola Verizon.

AT&T. Is it AT&T? It was. It was. Eritrix 4G. Never trust that fucking guy. Well, actually, Motorola is good now, though. They've got the Razor Ultra.

We love that. We love a wooden phone in this house. Thank you, Lenova. It's wooden? Indeed. It's got wood. You got Alcantara. if you want to get it really gross overnight.

And then what, fake? Wait, what do you mean gross overnight? Leather and like, yes, yeah. Alcantara is like a fabric. And that was what they put on the palm rest for the surface. And it can get dirty because it's fabric. I want a philor ones. Just flipping out a velour.

A razor? But like two months in, after you do like a New York summer, it's just going to be so disgusting on the front. No one will ever borrow. It just absorbs all. Yeah. But, you know, then it's your phone. You've got a nice patina.

No one will ever touch it because they'll be disgusted. Yeah. Enough, right? Like, yeah, I think that's great. And I will say it, I want Apple to do this fucking flip phone. I want them to do something different. I'm tired of it. I have the most giant phone.

I occasionally go back to the smaller iPhone. I hate it. I want the big one again. Except I want an even bigger one. I want Apple to do foldables so bad. You don't need to wait for a foldable. I got just the thing for you. You ever use clicks for the iPhone?

I have a click. I have a clicks. Disclosure. I'm a co-founder of it. I bought one. I sent you a picture of me using. Which I appreciate it. Thank you. That makes it big. Just use that. And it makes it clicky too. No. The thing is I don't have trouble typing on a phone at all. I just want the screen. I would like my screen to be twice the size. Well, you could just carry an iPad. I do carry an iPad. And I love the iPad Pro. I really do. Do you use it for taking photos? No, I'm not my dad. Okay. No, I love my dad. He pulls out his iPad Many and it's just like the most like,

it's like put it down. No, no, I love it. I love the fact that he's into the iPad because I got him his original iPad whenever, like the second. No, it was the first iPad Mini that he released and my dad, he loved it and he uses it all the time. And I consider like that the best sign of technology. If like an old he uses it. Like an older person who's just a regular person who does like a business job and like listens to the radio and watches the news. Like what are there?

use cases with it. And the fact that he picks it up and uses it like as a picture taker, that's the term. Picture taker is right. I think it's lovely. And I think, the beauty of a foldable. And look, it's me.

He's photographing me and I can, that's actually really cool. And I get back to my thing that the U.S. situation, we're just at the limits of the current U.S. I think so. And also my controversial opinion, which is the Vision Pro is amazing.

When it works. It's so heavy. It is. But when I say when it works, I mean, we're talking 4% of the time. Have I told any of you what's happened with my Vision Pro? No. So I got told my good friend Matt Bamberg, who told me that Metallica was on the Vision Pro.

I'm like a big, heavy thing that's kind of lost its way and we're not really sure while we're engaged with it. Sounds like Metallica. So I get this thing I put it on. It goes, you need to update. I'm like, fuck yeah, okay, I'll update shit all the time. I let it start downloading. I pick it up. I put it down.

I pick it up. The U.X doesn't load again. Yeah. You have to keep this thing on your. your fucking head while you update it. It's like a 15 minute long update. This feels like just the easiest thing in the world for them to fix. And it's just, it's so annoying because there are, there are like several minutes at a time

when I'm using the Vision Pro when I can make it work, which is not at the moment. Where I'm just like, damn, this feels like the future. It's a giant screen. It's like, I can grab things. And then like the headset moves three centimeters. Yeah. And now it's out of focus. Have you used to Quest?

I have the Quest 3 and it's just like even them, my strange skull. Yeah. Like lots of people love measuring my skulls with different reasons but it's just like the Quest 3 doesn't feel right but it feels better than this. Yeah.

But the Vision Pro has these moments and I think it's just because it's less about the Vision Pro more the idea of yeah an interface that we could reach out and grab and move around with our hands makes sense. And it works when it works but it doesn't work very often. And it's just the problem is

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successful, but we'd get somewhere quicker. I mean, it did go into it at meta for a couple of years. Yeah, $42 billion went into experiments doing air quotes, yeah. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert

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I mean, that's what Android XR is supposed to be, right? It's going to be, first Samsung's Project Mujan is just going to be, you know, Apple Vision Pro, but with, yeah, it's, so Samsung's making a Vision Pro. It's going to have very similar, like, micro-Oled displays. I don't know if it's going to go the full, like, 4K, 4K or whatever bullshit, but it'll just be like, you know, it'll be Android's version of Apple's Vision OS. It's just going to be a little bit

more AI focused because it's all full of Gemini. Because it's Google. Yeah, because it's Google. I was using these Vitcher glasses, if you heard of these? Yes, I've used them. Are these like those X-real ones? You just put them on, you have a USB, it doesn't try and be fancy

or nothing. You just have a cable, you put in your phone, and you have them on your glasses. And it looks pretty big. That's the best thing about, like, I like, I like, I like, I like, glasses because I just like secondary screens. It's like, oh, okay, you know, they're good for a plane. They're just a little bit expensive, but yeah, they do what you need them to do. But then I put it on the plane. I'm like, oh, right. I don't want to look straight ahead.

Like, it was just like, immediately just like, this is cool. Can I move it? Nope. This is attached to my fucking face. But there is something here, I swear to God. No, there is something there. There's so much more here than Generative AI. Like with Generative AI, I have not had a goddamn moment of peace in two years. But also not a goddamn moment where I've been like, okay, I kind of see it. And there were moments with the vision. There's moments with the quest where I've been like, okay, like horseshoes and hand grenades. Yeah. Steam game where you can just like pick up guns and it's like extremely realistic.

And it just feels so good. And it's satisfied. Like exactly the kind of moment that you're like, this is great fun technology. I fucking love the future. Like the same thing. I remember when I got the original iPhone on singular wireless in Penn State. And I remember the moment of like, wow. I don't have to wait for my voicemail.

Wow, I can just type out a text, and I can move apps. This is cool. Those moments are there with XR and VR. I'm actually like, I'm not like a fantasist about it. Most of the shit sucks. Yeah. Well, I think what Google is going to say is that they've invested in AI so that the AI can go and actually fix all of the problems that the brilliant scientists and researchers

haven't been able to do to actually make a pair of good looking XR glasses that you can wear on your face that aren't going to be silly. It's so funny. Well, so I spent almost the entirety of last CES looking at displays because I was going to cover other things, and then I very quickly realized the most interesting stuff on the floor was eyeglasses for AR applications. And I used the even realities G1. Have you used these? One of these. These are some very normal looking glasses that if you're a Harry Potter fan, you're really a fan of them because they kind of make you look like that. But they don't look like they have tech in them.

In fact, the first ad I saw for them, I did not believe that they existed. I'm like, you guys are just hitting me with a render, and this is very big. where it's never going to launch, and I saw them on a friend's head, and I'm like, wait, are those they? And you put them on, and they have a monochrome war games-esque, like, green text display. I've seen these on Instagram. Dude, they are, and they do very few things, but they do them all pretty damn well. I saw Chris Velasco, the legend over at Washpot were talking about them. They're great.

I kept wearing them for weeks after the review, and what they do, and caveat, I'm a sucker for notification dashports. Terminal. Smart watches. This takes your smartwatch, puts it on your face. And so if you're just interacting, you're fine, and then you look up, and then you have a little dashboard. And you have to look up. No, you can set it so that if you get a notification, it pops up right in front of your. So if I'm looking at you, I'm actually reading my messages and that's creepy, so I keep that off.

I'm like, I'm the other way around, though, where I'm like, I wouldn't want this on all the time, but if I could look up just to take a look. Yeah. Because if I see a notification, I want to chew on it. Yeah. I want to take a look. What'd you got for me? Absolutely. And I love this.

And again, is this super useful? it's useful. Is it too expensive? I assume, yes. Probably. I forgot how much it costs. Do they look like you have to wear a leather duster with them whenever you wear them? No, that's the thing. So this is my main complaint with all the other stuff you're talking about is like the, and I'm sorry, I always bring out Xreal just to like beat on them. But like great technology. But when you wear it, it's like, what is XREL? You put on sunglasses, but you have like four inches of, I don't know, foam between them in your eyes. Like they just ride so damn high and they're just because of the.

What is Xreal though? They're like, what you just described for airplane viewing, they're like, you know, wearable, disqual. Yeah, they've been doing it for years. But they're also working on an XR thing for Android. Are they? Yep. Okay. I mean, of display technology that doesn't require the sit, like, you know,

we would have a working vision pro by now if they'd have put the $400 billion into this shit. Like, that's the actual thing. If they wanted to invest in the future, and even if it's not XR, if they put hundreds of billions of dollars into the next interface, and their argument would be, oh, yeah, well, AI is the next interface because you can just talk. Right. No, I can't. no I can't at all I have a British accent do you know I have to have British Siri

sometimes because sometimes Siri just because I don't fuck I don't fucking A lot of my family has really strong Southern and Texas accents It's incredible Like it has not

Nothing has improved From when Google first and first issued like voicemail Where we would transcribe it Nothing's improved Siri Android any of them

If they've got a really strong accent If they're talking like this Then my God It's not gonna fucking work Oh my God Oh, just type it out. You have to. People in the South and people in like Baltimore, just fuck.

Just absolutely fuck. Give me that phone. Actually, did you know that when you go to Europe, the Android dictation engine changes? No, GDPR, I assume, or something like that? I don't know why. All I know is when I'm in Europe and I'm trying to type and I'm like, no, I'll come to you, period. It says period. I have to say, no, I'll come to you full stop.

Oh, that makes more sense. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty smart. Yeah, if you go around in England being like, period, people don't look at you the same. At the end of every sentence. Like, oh, you seem fine. But it's, I do think, though, that this is a very dread-infused time. It's very doomery.

And then I see these little foldable, I see the fun device. I'm like, the tech industry does actually have other things. It's just, I think we might have maxed out software. I think we may have reached the limits of what software can do based on what we have as computing devices. I would, I think it's something. I'm sure it's not fully at the limits, but I'm just saying as far as consumers go with using stuff, but what do you think, Alex? I would say that it is more laziness of the large companies, the apples and the Samsung's and the Googles and the Microsofts.

The Lenovo's, I mean, well, the Lenovo actually, they have fun. They're actually better than nice. Yeah, Lenovo's actually really good. We're going to experiment. And they're Chinese company. They're always trying something. You know, a lot of, but primarily these American companies make. gadgets and stuff, they don't try.

All of they're interested in is how can I get you to replace what you have in two years? Yeah. That's it. And instead of being like, how can I get you to replace what you have in two years by completely redefining the entire industry, they're like, now you can use magnets. It's longer. And it's like, well, that's cool, but am I really going to upgrade my phone just for that? I might.

The people in this room might. I definitely would, but you're right. But with the people outside of this room. I already have a case for that. Yeah. It's also, I think they've tried to do everything with one device, which is great, but that's where you bump up. Like, the limits of entertainment, I think, are we're reaching especially because watching, I, I'm done with people telling me to watch. I don't know how people watch, like, full movies on their phone.

Even the biggest, most hugest, far. Well, they're young. They started. No, I mean older people too. I mean, I've met people. And it's like, on, like, a six-inch phone. And it's like, what the fuck? This is worse than an airplane.

My brother did that. He watched sinners. like on his iPad. And he was like, what is everybody like? Sinners? It's not very good. And I was like, how'd you watch it? Like, you know, in the middle of the day

with the lights all on on my iPad. I'm like, well, of course you didn't like it. Hell yeah. Get it together, sir. Watching the good, the bad, the ugly. I'm like, on a droid two. Yeah, you're not paying attention. That was a good phone.

I liked the droid too. That was. And also, just to be clear, you can do experiments that suck. I did also try the Blackberry Storm back in the day. With it's like, it was a screen where you could just like do have, it was like you could press, it felt like you were pressing in, but it felt it did. It floated on a button.

It felt bad. It felt like a slightly harder version of poking some like Greek yoga, which is not the sensation I want while typing. No one wants that. It like had a clunk to it. That was the one that like Blackberry was like, this is going to save us. Yes. Yeah.

It was their big, it was so, it was like the homobleboneb phones. It fucking. I love them for how bad it was. Yeah. They were like, we don't need this multi-touch stuff. We got this. Yeah, we go, you want your screen to move. Yeah, we want a screen that makes you feel bad every time you touch it.

And everyone else is like, we're working on that with different ways. Right. I also think that it's nice to hear that there's some fun as well because the AI stuff, and I'm not going to make this a big complaint fest about AI. You've got the rest of the episodes. But there's something joyless about large language. It's not fun. I'm not using any of it and being like, oh, how whimsical.

Like, oh, you're having it. They don't seem like they're having fun. We're not having fun. At least with some dorky and same phone, you're like, okay, what are you going to fuck me up? I mean, the vibe coders. The vibe coders are having fun. No, they're not. Read the vibe coding Reddit.

It's a bunch of people talking like they've been captured by North Korea. Yeah. Like, it's straight. I mean, like, I love doing this every day. I put three months of my life and thousands of dollars into this, and I have eight-paying customers. It's the best thing in the world. It's so funny and they're like, yeah, I don't get how this happened.

And someone will be like, yeah, you don't read code. You can't understand how this can. Well, I asked it to tell me. It's like, yeah, that's the problem. But it's like there's nothing dorky or funny about it. Even the metaverse was more fun than this. It was more fun to make fun of. No, it was like the metaverse that first time you put on that stupid Windows headset

and you had your big Windows playhouse and you go and you put a giant dinosaur in it. And then you ask your coworker to try on the headset, and they're like, why the hell is a giant dinosaur staring at me? Like, that's fun. But you can't do, yeah, it's hard to troll people with AI. I mean, you really have to like, you really have to think about it. That's the thing, though. People trolled a little hard because what I also enjoyed was watching during the Metaverse, regular journalists, be like, I'll check out this VR chat thing. And just like getting the worst people online, a bunch of people dressed as knuckles, just doing racism, constant, just like, endless racism.

you 13-year-olds? Yeah, just 13-year-olds saying the worst shit you've heard in your life. And they're like, hey, I'm here from a business magazine. It's like, fuck you, piece of shoe. No, it's great. I think the journalists need to see the real internet occasionally. Yeah. But you can do that with...

You can just do that with the internet. You've been able to do it for decades. It's just... But the Metaverse also, you saw some people try some weird shit. You saw a lot of grifters and all this crap, like whatever. But it was like, at least someone was having fun. Mark Zuckerberg was lying. But also, people didn't really full-a-ast the Metaverse.

I wish that they had put this kind of money into it because we would have got one really shit thing and one really funny thing. Yeah. And I mean, they, to an extent they did put the money in. Like, Apple's been a lot of money on Fishing Pro. I don't think they did that because of the Metaverse. I think that they were planning it anyway.

Really? I always felt it was like we need to play catch up. Everyone is talking. Yeah, I can see that. Like Apple... But I refused to believe it's been two, three, what, came out, 2024. I don't think they've only been working on it two years. Maybe they accelerated him. They'd been working on it for... Steve Jobs would have fucking killed them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs

finding about that? He never would have left that people. He would have beating someone to death with one of those. Wasn't the idea that they were creating glasses first and then they're like, this is the step towards the glasses. And now, well, there was all that talk whether or not they're actually making the glasses, now they're back on, whether or not they're going to be smart glasses or AR glasses. It seems silly. Yeah. Everybody was like, okay. And, And this is the dumbest part of the generative AI moment is 10 years ago, everybody was like, we're going to have smart glasses. But they're going to be, you put them on and you talk to somebody because Alexa's doing it. And there's in Siri and all of this.

So we're going to do it just like this. It didn't work because we don't know how to interact audio-wise with computers and stuff. It's not just like it is in Star Trek. It's actually more complex. You have to consider multiple users and stuff. So everybody's like, okay, how else can we do this? Well, we'll do the Metaverse and we'll do these AR glasses. And then they were like, wait, we can't figure out how to make these glasses small enough with battery life, with good vision.

Like, we can't do all of that. And then generative AI came out and it was like, you know what we're going to do? That Alexa shit again. I love that as well because Alexa didn't work. It still doesn't. And they were like, well, we'll make a new one that works worse. Yes. And it's, I haven't, have any of you used Alexa Plus yet?

No, yet. Not only in demos. Damn, I was, I really, when I read about that and they're like, it's worse and it can, you can be like, yeah, make me a recipe for like chicken pasta and it will tell you it. And I just think that people need to accept the voice is not a good interface. Just in general, I don't think it needs to be perfect, perfect. I think it requires so much more training of ourselves, right? Because like you get there. But I don't want to be trained.

I want to use the thingy. But you are trained. Like, we're all trained. We're trained to use our phones. limited use cases. Like, you know, turn the lights on. Right. Turn, open the garage door, whatever. Like, but beyond that, you know, to your point, like, it's required to be usable by such a wide swath of humans that it's almost impossible to do it.

And we all want to do it just like Star Trek. Absolutely. I also think it has a very flat view of tasks. I think that most people think that it's going to be, well, people like Sundar Peshai or Andy Jassy think that people go into their house and they go, and I will do this and I will do this. Not me. I'm like, what about that YouTube? What about that Chrome thing? Yeah, let's read this article.

Now wait, fuck, I'm meant to send an email. Send an email. Okay, fuck. No, I haven't got the information for the email. Shit, why is it so fucking hot in here? I need to make it cold in here. Fuck, it's cold. I want to put this YouTube back on.

Yeah, it can't multitask at all. Right. But also just can't do any context switching. It cannot do it. And I will do something, which I think would be tantamount of suicide on any other day. I will defend an LLM on your podcast. Okay, go on. Yeah.

No, please. I feel like it's probably a good mechanic for training these things to do exactly that, because I have found the one enjoyable bit of using LLMs I've found is that I'll talk to Gemini Live a lot because I'm very used to, as we all are, doing a Google Voice dictated search for what I'm looking for. But I love that Gemini lets me talk to it like my brain actually works. I'm like, thinking about this thing, it's like a wrench,

but it's not like a ratcheting socket. That's probably not ratcheting. Anyway, it's a vacuum, cleaner adjustment. You know what I mean? And then she'll be like, oh, yeah, totally got it. Here's what it is. And then her return, to be fair, we will be 20% wrong. But at least she's gotten me.

No, I'm not disagree with you. This is the use case of LLMs, which is they are better at inferring meaning from what we say. And they have found a way to do that, which is just better search, which gets back to the thing that you were saying, Alex, about how these companies are lazy? Because why didn't Google have this 10 years ago? How are there no other ways to do this? And why is Google still not really like this in the search engine part? You have to go into Gemini. And even when you can't type in to Google search, that kind of thing.

No. When you try and I will type in like cite the information a term and it will be like, I don't fucking know, man, because I didn't write dot com. Yeah. Because it's just, I don't know what possibly could cite colon the information mean. Oh, you added a dot com. It's a website. My bad. Like, I'm only worth, we're only a market cap of $4 trillion.

Fuck you. Well, they would say you should be using Chrome to do it. I wasn't in Chrome. No. I was on Chrome. I'm still in Chrome a little bit. because certain websites don't work because we live in the future. I tried to switch to Koggi's mobile browser.

Worst experience in my life. I switch to Firefox and I hate it. Sometimes some things just work better. I live in Chrome. Especially since Pocket died. Now I have to use Chrome for all my mobile bookmarks and it has all my passwords. It has, oh, man. That's actually another thing.

It just really grinds my gears. Bookmarks are the same still. I don't use bookmarks because I'm chaotic. And every time I save something, I forget where I save. I just assume I'll remember everything. I actually, no, I genuinely do. Like, I remember. No, same.

Same. Yeah, and it works out. I'm like, oh my God. He's horrified. I remember everything, but at exactly the wrong time. No, I remember everything. Oh, yeah, I should look that up. As long as I have the weirdest cues, like several words, if you read my notes from my

newsletter, they're insane. It's like three set, three broken sentences with like a question mark and a typo. I'm like, that's 16,000 words, babe. Yeah. Well, hold up. I didn't have this on my list. but there's a gadget for that. What is it?

The plowed or plod. Plaud AI recorder things. Oh. Right? What is this? Those didn't work, I thought. They work pretty well. And in fact, you could say they work too well.

They make a little credit card size thing. It's very thin. It's very impressive. It's metal. It's kind of cool. They have a necklace, too. Now, this is the note pen. This is the thing that works too well.

They had a bug. You want to know what the bug was? What was it? That fucker would record when you didn't ask it to. I have four hours of me snoring at CES on the note. And I was like, hey, guys, you have to fix this because this is the one thing it can't do. And they're like, ah, yes, we're replacing those affected units. I'm, damn, well, better.

I'm so sorry, though, now that is an impossible to buy device. That's what I said. In the review, that's what I said. Anyone who knows that happened to you, I wouldn't be able to buy it. Nope, I don't trust it. You probably have, because we all have phones. And phones have definitely done that, too. I've more than once had my phone just be like, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.

And I was like, I was on the fucking toilet. I didn't need you to catch that. Yeah, I like my, I like my home. but they do occasionally hear me and just go like, I don't know what that means. It's like, I was screaming to myself, thank you. I was just watching TV. I was just mad.

I was just saying some of the words that I say inside when I am upset. Even the PS5, the PlayStation 5 has that ability. You don't know it because nobody enables it, but it actually works. You can talk into the controller and control the PS5 that way. And I turned it on and I just keep forgetting to take it off. And now I'm just talking with my brother. And then the PS5 is like, are you sure? Like, what do you mean?

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And it, I just, I want them to do more fun things. I'm so glad to, I, the fact that you, Michael, have this flip phone tell. I keep looking being like, please. But there's the trifold now, right? We love the trifold, yes. China is actually doing, a lot of these Chinese companies are doing really interesting stuff, right?

Like, Huawei is doing it. Lenovo is doing it. Apple is like, we'll get there in five years after everyone else has done it. Right. We can, like, test it there and make sure we do it better. One thing I will say is you can't do contiguous touch between the wind. So, yeah, when you're running two app side by side, you well, I am exactly that kind of asshole.

It demands you select your focus, yeah, so you can't be doing them both at once. And that's the weird thing. Like, Apple used to, like they had the Apple high-fi. They used to take fun risks. And then Steve Jobs would kill the family as everyone involved. Well, and they failed at a risk. The air, the air duct air dock. Yeah, the charging plate.

Air power. Air power. So for the listeners, there was this thing that now exists in 19 different forms where they were going to do this block where you could put your AirPods, your Apple Watch, and your phone. And they would talk about it every few months. And they'd be like, it's just around the corner. They announced it. They're like, she'd redgers. It was like a big thing.

They announced. Mark Gohmann would just put out. It's like, no, it's not going to, is it? And it was, it just, they just canceled it one day. And then Anchor and several hundred other companies. Well, it was different. Yeah. It was different.

Go ahead, Eric. What was different about this? So what Apple was trying to do was, like, take those, those coils, the charging coils, and stack them on each other. So it's one real small spot. So you could throw it on anywhere on the pad and it would charge. Whereas everybody else is like, you have to have your little spots. And I love, I've got one, and it's great.

I use it all the time. But air power would have been slightly cooler except for it was like melting things, I think. They couldn't figure it one way or the other. Oh, wow. Customers are so demand. It's like, I know it melted a hole in my phone. But now we have like MagSafe, obvious of the need for it, right? Because the magnets are better for any, like,

it's like it doesn't matter that you need to like discreetly place it because the magnets are going to put it there anyway, and that's better for a bunch of reasons. I will say there is an anchor thing that I have, home that I don't replace out of spite, which is it's one of the things where the Apple Watch component flips up so that the circle, except that thing, there are so many times to put it on, it just does not stick for some reason. And every time it happens, fuck, piece of shit.

Do I replace it? Fuck, no. No, I paid my $50 and I will get every dollar's worth it. Ten years later, I will replace it when I throw it from the window. I mean, that's like all my GAN chargers. Gallium nitride GAN is cool We love Galium nitride

Yeah No we really do I genuinely I mean that's how you know It's a bunch of like nerds who love gadgets Because we're all like Yeah

Gagne And if you've not heard of Gallium nitride I've mentioned it before It's the thing where They basically found a way To make plugs smaller And battery is smaller

I actually have like These amazing anchor thing There's just all this cool shit That came out of it It's so great And Ugreen makes really good stuff too Mmhmm You green

Yeah you green I thought they were just The Slot brand No they're really people. I have one in my bag right now. And they're actually good because I've been looking for anchor alternatives just because I like... Because they keep melting? Yeah. No, I like, uh, Anchor melting things. Yeah, they got a lot of recalls. Things have gotten a little more expensive. You green and there's a few others. I like,

I like Anchor. So they committed the ultimate sin long ago for me, the same thing. All birds did the same thing. Everything company does that it achieves scale is they go from building something interesting looking in a fun color with a weird shape to like, ah, no. 80. percent of people by the boring black rectangle. So now that's all we're going to show. Anchor's variety is black or white. I somewhat disagree. Oh, come on.

Just because of the Nebula X one, which we talked about, is this insane, like $3,000 projector. You can put it in a weird angle, and it will still keystone in. They do claim it's like, oh, you hit a button, and it just works. Not for me. I am the person you should bring every new thing to before you say that, because it will break every time. Has there ever been a projector that just works?

But it does. It gets about as close as you can. It sets up in like a minute. You can keystone it at the weird of that angle. It's fucking cool. And it looks weird and it's like really nice. And like the wireless speakers just work. How much is it?

It's $3,000 fucking dollars. It's so expensive. Good news. If you Google it, you will get your first three results are cheaper alternatives that they're being paid to be put there. Nice. When I bought my GPD for WIM4, I ended up getting scammed by a Google ad. I had some. And it was just, I was buying it.

I was excited to get it. And I saw it. I am so resilient to these things. So I was like mad at my stuff. I emailed fucking GPD, I emailed Google, I was like, listen to me. Fuck, no, no, I didn't. And to be fair, GPD got back to me and like, holy shit, like, we're going to contact Google. Google did not.

GPD was actually very concerned. Yeah, because that's like their whole brand. And it was just like a Chinese guy's g-vail as well. Like he had a fake, a perfectly good GPD website. Did he just mail you a box? No, I canceled the payment. Like, put it on a credit card because these things happen. happen. Haven't for a long time. I was quite embarrassed. But now, I like Anchor and they occasionally

will do something like the Nebula X1. However, yeah, they are mostly just blocks. They have them in different colors now. I mean, the batteries, I have one that's like mint green. Yeah, it's lovely. Oh, no, like a pink one in my pocket. How about that? I mean, Anchors, like, you know, charging brand, it's just kind of state, but like all the other shit they're doing with all their other subbrands because now they have like 12. You know, they have that UV printer. That's really cool. Wait, what is that too? What is this? So UV printers, they basically use a UV light on UV activated ink to...

So sort of like thermal printers? Kind of, but there's less heat involved since it's just light. Yeah. So you'll just... You can technically print on almost anything, and it can print in 3D, quote-unquote. So if you're looking at an oil painting, it has those, like, raised edges where, you know, the oil thickens. It can technically do that. Cool.

Okay, that's cool. It's really, it's very cool. And I got to use it. I printed out a meme on a little magnet and it looks really nice. I can't wait to actually try it out more. How much is this thing? I had probably around like $1,300. No, it was more than that. But that like a good 3D printer is not much. Is this like one of those printers that I saw a number of years ago that is kind of like a mouse and you like run it over the surface you're printing on? No, this is a big unit. But it's like other three, other, other, you know. UV printers are like gigantic. And this is like a tabletop one, which is why

it was like big in the maker space for like a hot minute. I don't know where it is right now. And I've been trying to get a review unit in and anchor if you're listening, please. I actually do have a question for all three of you. I keep seeing things on Kickstarter, but I haven't touched Kickstarter in years because of all the shit. Is it trustworthy

still, is it still dodgy? It depends on who you're going. Like some companies, big companies will use Kickstarter to validate the market. Like Unahertz is famous for this. If you want an interesting phone, Unahertz is there for you. They make all the Blackberry revivals, all the ones with weird quirties.

They're huge. They have a screen on the back for no reason. Hell yeah. Yeah, you'd love it. Yeah, just try it. Every launch they do is on Kickstarter, and I think they also use it as a PR thing because they know they're going to exceed their goal in the first day.

But it's in 2013 anymore. I run a PR for it. I know that doesn't work anymore. Yeah. But yeah, you'll see that with like, it's mainly the big brands. The smaller brands, I would still be a little like. They're still dodgy.

Yeah, because it's, you just run into this. I mean, It's just the practical nature of building gadgets. Hardware is really difficult. Can you confirm. Yeah. And it's only going to get more difficult over the next because of the tariffs and stuff, I suspect. Absolutely.

Especially Americans are going to have, you know, until we get manufacturing in the United States again, it's going to be a challenge. I look forward to that happening. Any day. There is one that I actually invested in, which is technically a gadget. Now, I was going to save this to the very end because no one could possibly care about this if they didn't follow the moon landing. program in the 60s. Tell me more. Okay.

This is a watch. It is called the Desky Moon Watch, D-S-K-Y. And it is not a smart watch. It is not an LCD and all this stuff. What they took, there's an Apollo guidance computer from the moon capsule, and they shrunk it down to the size of a watch. Oh, my God. Hell yes.

And it is not just an aesthetic reproduction. It is literally the same computer. That's cool as hell. So you can program it with like old 60s noun verb, you know, combinations. And what I love, my favorite thing about it is, you know, in the 60s, you didn't have LEDs. Well, we have to have LEDs in the watch to do stuff. They came up with color filters to make the LED match the incandescent bulbs of the 60s. Like, it's perfect.

It looks like an oscilloscope kind of like. I don't need this. Oh, it's. But I'm going to get it. That's what I said. The minute I saw, I think actually makes anything. How much is that? 890 bucks or something like that.

On their website, it's 659 pounds for the Americans. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'll let you know if I get it because I have backed it. But what does it do? It tells at the time. It looks cool.

Yeah, that's fine. It also is the guidance computer so you can program it to. It is limited by your imagination and your coding ability if you know 1969 era code. Of course. Yeah. Which I do. Yeah. But it's all open source.

So you can actually do whatever you want with it, which is really fun. It also has GPS for some reason. I don't know. I don't know what else. Fuck it. While we're there, it's, yeah, I'm so glad. I wasn't sure coming into this whether we'd have more do-duds. It seems like they're still healthy, but there's just not in America.

Well, you can get stuff here. No, sorry, you can get it here, but it's not American companies that seem to be driving this. Like, Anchors Chinese? Yeah. Well, I've got a couple, actually. Oh, please, please. I genuinely like to know. Pebble?

Go. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Why is Pebble back? Because we want it. People are so tired of their regular watches. Yeah, yeah, no, it's just they're doing, never should have died. Never should have died. They're doing E-Inc watches again.

They start shipping this month. I definitely order both. What do they do? How much do they cost? You know, they're just watches. Well, they're smart watches. Yeah, they're smart watches. They've got, they've got, you know, they've got heart rate monitors in them.

They do notifications. Is it Bluetooth or ANT? Ooh, I don't remember. Bluetooth, is it? And it's, and it's just a watch. And you can, you know, they have a very robust user community. That's the killer. And what, like apps and such?

Yeah, right. So that was the thing. I mean, Pebble was the first one doing apps on a watch, and they did it well. And people liked it. And then they sold, right? They sold to Fitbit, who was then bought by Google immediately. And it just, and it just killed it. And the guy got it back, got the rights to the couple back.

And he's like, he's just out there making cool as hell watches. Yes. And I think the user community is the thing. Because all these, I love a smart watch, but the ones from Google and Apple are kind of solace of necessity because they're corporate products and they're meant for the wider consumer. Exactly. Whereas the pebble is like, wow, who made this weird ostrich watch face that's like, oh, some guy in Denmark. Oh, that's cool. I mean, the pebble watch, my best friend, she goes to Orange Theory. She's like very,

drinks for Starbucks, very, I love her. But she does not give a shit about smart watches, and she's not going to care about the pebble. If I told her about it, she'd say what? Yeah. And whereas an Apple watch, she cares about it. Yeah. And it's just a perfect gadget. And I'm excited. How much was it again? I don't know. It was like one. 100 something. Yeah, 200. Yeah.

It's not bad. 50. Yeah. And he's only making small batches, so it has to, it could be cheaper, but he's only doing $10,000 or something like that. I was like that. Yeah. Right. That's credit cards.

I spent a lot. That's future Alex's problem. I already paid for it all, so it's not. It's past Alex's problem. Yeah. I just get free stuff now. Yeah. That's how I think of it.

Exactly. That's how it works. Yeah. Boy, any other American? American company. The light phone. The light company. I didn't get a chance to watch your video.

What a trash friend, you are. Okay, well, I watched it. There's only one person I have telegram for, and that's you. You don't even use that anymore. Don't lie to the listeners. And I don't use it, that's why I miss your messages. But anyhow, so, wait, so this light phone, was it good or bad?

The light phone three was a very, well, it was a very seven out of ten experience. Because it was basically half unfinished when I was covering it. And what does it do? Very little. It does let you do phone calls, text messages, and then a handful of apps that are meant to keep you as disconnected as possible. You have maps. You will never have email.

You will never have social media. You will not have a web browser. But things to get you from point A to point B except right now, no payments, no Lyft, no Uber, none of that stuff. So it made life very difficult. I tried it for two weeks. I found I had to carry an iPad mini along with me, which the light phone does generate a hotspot. so you can use. That's cool.

Like, you know, if you want to pop up in a laptop, I really enjoyed experimenting with that lifestyle again of reverting to the late 90s when we had to decide to be online and then decide to be offline. Well, I decided to be online all the time. Like, it's not really sure. My mom needed to use the phone.

So sometimes. But this thing, is it, what kind of screen? Is it like a black and white screen? So that is, in my opinion, it's shining achievement. Like, this is a remarkable piece of hardware. I love picking it up. is like if you blew up an Apple Watch to buy 4X the size and made it out of black metal and glass and put a knob on the side to control your brightness and the screen is black and white but it has this diffusion filter on it does have a camera with a nice chunky dual stage shutter button. It's okay camera though.

It actually better than I expected to be honest. But it's black and white. I'm sorry, the display is OLED. So it is a black and white interface and when you fire the camera it activates the color OLED. This thing's so cool. Yeah. But also it's like the opposite of what I want. Is it?

But I'm abnormal. I love being connected always. Yeah, I was going to say. I am like a problem. Try it. Try it. I, the second weekend I was like, I get it. I get why people who like talk about presence and intentionality.

I hadn't gotten it. But I also have the steel wool of the Buddha. If I need to focus on people, I can just not look at my phone. Yeah. Well, and I think this is... What's it like to have restraint? I don't know. I'm unfamiliar with that.

I think this is the thing we see, though, from American gadgets. A lot of the American gadgets are about disconnecting. They're about taking a step back. And as we all look at our phones. I was checking off the minimum. But that is a thing. I was checking off the minimum of them. You know, it's about how do we disconnect from Google?

How do we disconnect from our corporate overlords? How do we disconnect from social media? Those are the things driving a lot of American ingenuity and gadgets, which is like cool, but culturally like, oof. I also don't. Where are we as a culture if that's the driving point? I also understand, like, that is cool, but it's also sad. Yeah. Because it's very.

I get the sense that other countries, and they look at technology, they see, like, oh, like regular people like, oh, what could it do for me next? And everyone's like, is there a fucking way that I could stop using it? Versus, like, Kate Nettopoulos from B.I. Business Inside a row a few years ago, I think this thing was like, I love my phone. Stop trying to get me off my phone. Make my phone better. And I kind of subscribe to that. And I know I'm a freak for like liking the phone and being online all the time. but nevertheless, it's like this sense of,

I want to get away from Big Tech, I want to get away from my phone, I want to do all this. It's very sad. And also, they're clearly building towards it by making, oh, we'll just control all the shit for you. You have no control. You have no industry over this. So there's a flip side to this,

and then I'm going to stop talking about phones. There's another philosophical approach done by a company called the minimal company, the minimal phone. Now, they are much smaller than light. They also have some problems fulfilling orders. I think their customer service. whatever.

But their phone is a good idea because the phone does the opposite of the light phone. It gives you all the apps you want, but the display is E-ink, so you don't want to use any of them. But you can, if you need to, like Uber,

which I needed a billion times on the light phone. It didn't have it. I was really, really cool. The minimal phone idea is a very cool one. And I'm a nerd for this, but they put a quirky keyboard on there,

which I also like. Yeah, that's just cool. TCL's making a phone, well, they made a phone last year. That's their NXPT paper phone that you can't get in the U.S. And you can, like, swap it between a fake, like, e-paper screen and to a regular screen. Yeah, it's not actually e-paper. I know.

But it looks, it has, like, a kind of, like, you know, sheen to it that makes it look less screeny. Or you can just go and spend $10 on a mat glass for your phone. That's what I did because I looked at that stuff. And I was like, oh, this is cool. Oh, I'll just put Matt Glass on my phone and I get the exact same experience. I should I would stop talking about phones, but you just made me think of another one. This is my podcast. Talk about the phone. I don't care. Fairphone 6.

What is this? I have not paid attention to Fairphone almost at all because it's a bit about repairability. Right. Which is important, but I don't really care about it. So, okay. Fairphone 6 has a big neon green switch on the side, and when you flip it down, it turns from a regular Android phone into a dumb phone. Yeah. And I like that physical trigger.

Because, yeah, you can do it with a custom launcher. Yeah, you can do it through umpteen software options. But having a switch seems to suggest more intentionality is required of you. And switching out of it feels like more friction, a little more friction. Yeah, exactly. It's a little more friction, but it's also less friction in the setup, right? Yeah, true. Yeah, because if I, you know, you can do that with an iPhone.

You are going to spend a very long time digging around with your iPhone to get it to that point. Yes. I think a lot of these problems come down to the fact that just notifications have become an invasion of our privacy. that when you look at your phone, it'll be like, hey, it's Etsy again. Yeah, you bought one thing seven years ago you didn't delete this app.

Do you want to look at flowers? Yeah. And you're just like, leave me the fuck alone. And Apple's just like, we don't give a fuck. New York Times used to do breaking news for everything.

They'd just like every damn thing. They'd be like, you know, Beyonce is going to be in New York. Great. Why is that breaking? You can't fix this as well with the phone. Yeah. It's the companies.

They've made it worse. And they, Make it worse every day. And they're like, well, we'll give you control. You have to do way too much work to do it. To your point, you have to do way too much tweaking. You can't tweak the notifications. Well, if you have an Android phone, you can.

Yeah, and that's a thing where... Put eye message on a fucking Android thing. You want to be able to go to your phone and just say, fix it. And Google keeps promising that and have they delivered it. Someday. I mean, speaking of the fair phone, like, there's... Framework is making really cool laptop. I was just thinking, yeah.

I really like Framework. And, like, I don't want... Tell the audience about it. So Frameworks laptop where all you kind of have to do is like you get a bunch of the parts and you slot in the SSD, you slot in the RAM, and you kind of put the screen bezels on, and then you put the keyboard on, you screw everything in. It's like, oh, it's a laptop now. You built it. I mean, it's fun because the company makes it really easy to do. It's LEGOs.

Yeah, yeah, it's LEGOs. You make yourself feel smart even though they literally put everything out there for you and you just did it. But it also means you can repair it, yada, yada, yada. And you can operate it. I like, yeah, you can upgrade it. I like the feeling of like ownership, because half of the problem with ownership is that I don't feel like I actually own the thing. I bought the thing, and they're managing my life for me. They're putting all the software on it that I don't want.

They're putting this program on. They change how you use it with the UX updates. Yeah, exactly. So I want to own the thing by, like, controlling what goes into it. And I feel like I want more products that have that ability to just, like, I can just control the hardware, at least, if not the software. Like if I could control both, I'd be in a happy place. I'm more nerdy, but imagine if, like, every laptop had that ability to just, like, take off the back and, like, just swap things around. Well, you were seeing that in gaming laptops for a long time when more framework came along, right?

Like, Dell... Quite a few of them, you can still swap the round, right? Yes. Some of them, although some of them are more soldered on, like, some of the smaller 14 inches are still. Which kind of makes sense. One of the tricks here is just for laptops. Order the business laptops because they usually do have much more upgraded. because the big companies are like, no, we're not going to pay you that much for RAM.

We will replace the RAM ourselves or you will die and never get our business again. And so they fix it for them. Like, that's why you see that from Dell and Lenovo with others. On the build your own stuff, Kyle, do you follow the, or does anybody follow the cyberdeck building community? Oh, yeah. What is the? I have a blast.

If you want to have a gadget, you know, binge, I would say just Google cyberdeck builds on YouTube. It's basically people are trying to like really. live the neuromancer book. And they're just building cyber decks from the What is the cyber deck? Oh my God. I was like, you don't know William Gibson? I'm familiar. Yeah, neuromancer kind of like that

whole cyberpunk era aesthetic. The idea of like cyberdeck is like you literally plug into the internet. You know, you have this deck that you and you sit down in a chair and you plug yourself in and you're literally a body and the whole like idea of a metaverse kind of stems

from this except it's It's a lot more grungy and a lot more punk. Right. The deck itself is like part of it is like it's personalized to you, right? Like you build it yourself. So it takes the form in modern day with what we can do of like little laptops. Like kind of like the GPD stuff, right? Netbooks.

Except it's yourself. Yeah, netbooks. I loved netbooks. So cool. So what is the functionality of a cyber deck though? What's it meant? In modern day, it's just basically with a little laptop. It's just to be cool.

But the idea is that you're doing it yourself and it's your own and you're making it. Like, I mean, I don't know. Like, are they using like raspberry pies and stuff like that? Yeah. Often they'll be built on a raspberry pie or something like that. Yeah. But if you want functionality, the mesh-tastic is another good thing to look at. That is like these little pocket terminals that are being built around.

What is? I had to look at up. An ESP-32 system on a chip. Yeah. Which enables a lot of cool stuff. And a mesh-tastic network is like node-to-node. You're not on the internet necessarily. Like each phone or each terminal is its own, is a node.

So what did you, Jack Dorsey just dropped an app for this. Oh, God. BitChat. He's dropped several apps. He's dropped a lot of things. No, I'm trying to remember. So that's an app for the iPhone. And like, if we all had BitChat, we could talk to text each other without connecting

the internet. Like, it's a direct peer-to-peer network. And the mesh-tastic, like, there's a lot of handheld hardware. They all look like BlackBerrys. They're all really cool. They're a little mini-cyber decks. and it's just to utilize that network. And again, you can build your own a lot of the time

if you're more skilled than I am. So I'm going to wrap it here and I want to end with a message that everyone should go and support Steve Burke over at Gamers Nexus, who Bloomberg has been fucking up by doing bullshit YouTube DMCA. He's coming on the show next week.

This is a ridiculous situation. Bloomberg should be fucking ashamed of themselves, the legal department and everyone involved. Other journalists, including at Bloomberg, should see this as an offense against journalism and not giving him support is tantamount to not having solidarity with your peers. Steve is doing some of the best work out there. And I realize that's kind of a grim thing.

But one of the reasons I love all three of you is you really, in the same way, Steve, get into this stuff and actually know it and love it and are excited about it. And I think that that is a dying art within journalism, especially within tech. And I hope everyone's enjoyed this episode because I certainly fucking have. Because it's nice to talk about stuff and, like, sure, there's bad things going on and it can be kind of grim out there. but there's still people making dorky little innovations out there, and it's worth remembering that the tech industry is not all bad, which does not mean that AI doesn't fucking suck. Bing Bong.

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