Between the Moon - 16. Reinventing the Wheel of the Year with Bronwyn Simons

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

In today's episode with Predictive Astrologer Bronwyn Simons - we explore structures of time and the natural impulse to reinvent, and in this vein we delve into reimagining and reinventing the Wheel of the Year. We look at the "why" of the energetic correspondences between the lunar phases and the solar stations over the seasons and how we might bring more inquiry and creativity to this relationship.There's a big shift coming, the undertone humming vibration of Pluto is moving from Capricorn to Aquarius this Saturday January 19th and will take us in a new direction for the next 20 years!This conversation sheds light on how we are currently straddling the worlds of what we have inherited (social structures, legacy of time aka Capricorn) and what will serve humanity moving forward (aka Aquarius) so that we can live in more harmony with life's cyclical nature in new and innovative ways.Doors are opening soon to Lunar in Nature: Reinventing the Wheel very soon, so hop on the waitlist if you haven't already! https://astrologygoddess.mykajabi.com/lunar-nature-waitlistThis is a solilunar mystery school that invites us to learn and vision and create and experiment, to honour tradition and hold space for innovation, to live into and deeply embody Lunisolar cycles for a whole expansive and beautiful Year together.If you love this conversation, please like and subscribe so that it can reach more people who will benefit from the topics we explore.  This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit themoonismycalendar.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome, dear listener, to Lunar Currents, a special feature on the Between the Moon podcast with myself, April McMurtry and predictive astrologer Bronwyn-Simon-Simonds. Lunar currents is a moonly conversation about embodying the living sky, exploring how astrology helps us enter into the mythic nature of our life story, and musing on our relationship with time, creativity, intuition, and many other magical connections. Moon is conjunct to Neptune right now, sextile the sun, and the ascendant is in Gemini. It's right at this moment. So we are tapped in. It's beautiful and able to communicate from spirit. Let's start there. Welcome everyone to lunar currents. And today on this episode,

we're going to explore just starting out with this new, so-called new year in our relationship with time, looking at some of those bigger cycles beyond the luminaries of the sun and the moon all the way out to Pluto and then bringing it back into our energetic, that correspondence with lunar phases and the wheel of the year, weaving all of this together in this exploration of reinventing the wheel in the experience of lunar in nature. So that's just charting our course.

Yeah, where would you like to start, Bronwyn? Where would I like to start? What this new year, what's called the new year on the Gregorian calendar, how that experience, how you might be experiencing that and this new moon that we just had about the January 11th. Yeah. Yeah.

What's new? Hey, Bronwyn. Yeah. What's new? It's a little bit of a dilemma each year, right, with the new year, because on the one hand, as a celebrator of the cycles of time, I really like it when we all agree that it's a new beginning. And so often, I think, because I live in the land of a social life.

astrology, I'm celebrating things that the consensus reality doesn't acknowledge. So when there's a new beginning that we can all celebrate together, I get excited. But it's midwinter where we are in the Northern Hemisphere. And while it is a new beginning, and well, the new year as we celebrated, as we've all the place in the calendar where we've decided to place that, there is a natural calendar reason for that. And it's a connection to the winter solstice. But that new beginning is more like the lunar new beginnings that we talk about. The gestational dark of the new moon. Midwinter is the gestational dark of the year. It's a time traditionally when we are at rest. We honor that with our yule celebrations when we're home or with family. We're eating. We're resting. We're playing.

those are traditional activities for the depths of winter. But then somehow we've all agreed that a week later we jump into intense physical activity, strong plans, big goals. And so we make this leap from what is a lovely, connected, natural way to honor the winter solstice into a new beginning that isn't gentle,

that isn't soft and gradual, but is a pretty high pressure and an, outward focused. So I really have mixed feelings about this time of year. I really enjoy all of the winter solstice activities that are agreed upon consensus activities that match midwinter. I love that. And I do get caught up in the new beginnings of the new year, but I feel like I spend a lot of time reminding the people in my life and reminding clients and just reminding anybody who listens to me talk about astrology, that it's midwinter and it's natural for us to be starting slow.

What about you? What's new with you, April? I know what's new. Well, as you probably know in some of the listeners, my birthday is New Year's Eve. So I have this time of celebration and the just complexity of feelings that go around all of that because I think of the pressure that's built into, you know, there's, I don't know how I got on this mailing list, but I'll get a flyer at the new year from the day. gym, like there's a gym down the street that's like rides that wave of, you know, join the gym,

get 12 free days and, you know, start the new habits and all of that. So that's just one marker of how, yeah, this agreed upon time. So I, in being mindful of how, how do I want to be a part of the experience of the so-called new year, which then also ties in with my birthday and to do something that feels like renewal, that feels like a replenishing, and that still feels like still keeping that focus a little more drawn inward. And so, yeah, I went to Kabuki Springs and the waters and that experiencing like the hot and the cold and the like the physical, you know, still like kind of like the physical aliveness, but just being low key. Yeah. I like that you say that. the physical aliveness because maybe that that sense of the renewal of our physical vitality

that comes with our solar return anyway, right, with our birthdays, but also that we crave around the winter solstice. I guess as a society, our way of trying to honor that is, you know, getting to the gym five mornings a week or whatever it is. But maybe in its essence, we're craving that sense of the reawakening of our vitality and our aliveness. And, you know, that reminds me of how what a lot of people do here, maybe there too, is just do the polar bear plunges, right, at New Year's. Get yourself into the cold water. I opted out this year, but I did do that last year.

So maybe we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Maybe there is something about that craving for physical awakening and aliveness. an activity. But maybe we can suggest some other ways to open ourselves to that. Yeah. And my curiosity with that is like, well, that's a lot of energy to go onto one day of this 365. What if that was distributed to acknowledge the new beginnings around each new moon? Not in a way where there's the hype. You know, that's the buildup of energy and hype around things is different than what you're describing about that desire for renewal and that real need for new for newness and for beginnings and a fresh start or another chance to

remember priorities and remember okay what do I care about and what do I want to show up for and the lunar cycle for me has been so like this healing bomb that offers a way to do that throughout the entire year to bring that same kind of desire for new beginnings. Yeah. And it's embodied too, whether we're aware of it or not, we are, we are in some sense connected to that and feeling that. It takes the pressure off that one day of the year. My goodness, there's so much pressure. Like, oh, this is our only chance in this next 12.

12 months to start new things or to have a clean slate. And that idea of a clean slate is what I always think of with the new moon. And I do like you. I just feel so grateful that I have that model that we can return and return and return that it isn't just one chance a year. It's really, if we're living the lunar way really deeply, it's infinite chances to go around that cycle. And the new beginning comes again and again. And also there's not an expectation that will go, you know, from zero to 60 in one day. It's an acknowledgement that we have the expansiveness of time to gradually live into, to let our mammalian bodies do their thing and gradually organically live into what's new.

I think we can mark time. We can mark the desire for a new beginning with something dramatic like a cold plunge or something special. like a ceremony, but that doesn't mean that all of it is happening in that moment. You can mark the moment and then wait for the unfolding of whatever it is, the new, the new. Yeah. The new, which is also always a repetition of the old, which also is okay and which we don't really honor that in our culture either. Right. It's that pursuit of continual novelty, and we lose the carrying over and the beauty of repetition.

We punish ourselves for repeating lessons and repeating patterns, but the whole world is repeating patterns. Beauty is constructed of repeating patterns. I'm just going to like soak that in that lunar wisdom around the repetition. And when you were talking and describing, I just started to get this feeling of the building of almost like a building of endurance. through lunar cycles of this kind of pacing with the moon to what can be tricky is waiting for that unfolding to be with the unfolding. And so there's a pacing and the word entrainment that comes to mind of like of sinking up with almost like when there's, you know, not that life is a race at all, but there's like this pace car where you're like,

pacing with something that feels gradual rather than the sprint, even though growing up I love short and sweet and fast. Like that was my mode for me as an athlete and a swimmer was like just get in, get out, like go quick, fast. And now I'm like, oh, wait, life is kind of a long distance endeavor. Yeah, to keep pace with an unfolding and that chance for those rituals for renewal and having those practices that feel very connected in with the new moon. I hear the Capricorn wisdom coming forth from you when you talk like that about

the youthful desire for conquering really with the body. And then how that in the beauty of Capricorn is that ambition evolves into a relationship to building endurance, which is true Saturnian wisdom. Taurus over here is like about the comfort and the slow organic growth and I'm talking about the beauty of patterns and I love that that that trine that we have between Capricorn and Taurus and the the earth wisdom coming from two slightly different lenses but yeah yeah appreciation of the organic growth whether it's that sort of crystalline enduring organic growth that Saturn brings or if it's the the soft unfolding and blossoming that Venus brings.

I mean, of course, both of us have lots of both of that in our chart, but I love, I love my Capricorns and I love hearing Capricorn wisdom, the wisdom of endurance. Yeah, and not to endure something, but to have the stamina. I think maybe that's exactly. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's not a punishing endurance. Yeah. So, yeah, you said that so well.

not in the sense of enduring something, but in the sense of maybe creating something enduring. Wow. That landed. Yep. So we've just sitting with the new moon, like sitting with what we're talking about energetically, how the new moon leads into an unfolding, and that leads into coming from the underground place, the dark place. Yeah.

that gestational place that unfolds into the waxing crescent. So as we're talking about energetic correspondences and this reinventing of the wheel and being in relationship with the wheel of time, the wheel of the year, how the moon expresses that energetically, every lunar cycle is a mini solar year. Yes. Right? In the unfolding energetically, so much to learn.

learn there. I wonder if we want to maybe just give little glimpses of each of the eight phases. Yeah, I would love to do that. Moving through, moving through the wheel. The things that you and I have talked about sort of behind the scenes, whatever wants to come up or come through. But in the crescent moon time, so that crescent moon correspondence then with the timing of the year, so energetically we go from the winter solstice to that next place, which can be referred to as a cross quarter. Yeah. Can I orient us on the cross before we start crossing it? Please.

Oh, my goodness. Take us, bring us in. Yeah. So an almost universal symbol across human cultures is quartering the circle. the cross of matter and the circle of spirit. That's what the natal chart looks like. It's what a lot of different sacred symbols look like. It's also one way.

And this is important, right? We've talked about this. This is a model, one lens, one way of looking at this mysterious and infinitely complex and beautiful movement of the luminaries. different different there are different ways different models the model that we've chosen to work with in western astrology and a lot of western mysticism is that quartering so we have you think of that equal armed cross and with the moon you have new moon full moon across from each other and you have those two sharp quarter moons across from each other.

And that creates the cross, new moon, quarter moon, full moon, quarter moon. With the sun through the year, the cross is the solstices and equinoxes. You've got the two equinoxes across from each other, the two solstices across from each other. Cancer Capricorn and Ares Libra. To complexify a little bit, those are the cardinal signs that begin season. So that's where we can start to match things up. Although at the outset, it's important to know that this is, it's an organic cycle. It's going to have places where it seems to glitch, but it's actually just creating a more complex pattern.

So anytime we try to put these together, they're not going to fit together perfectly like a jigsaw puzzle piece. It's not just going to click into place. Some of it will click and some of it will open you up to mystery. and to questioning because it doesn't quite click logically. But we can make that click with the correspondence of the solstices and equinoxes with the four main quarters of the moon. So you have winter solstice. We could say that corresponds with the new moon.

If you go across the way to the full moon, we could say that corresponds to summer solstice. And then we have the two equinoxes as, And think about that equinox equal, equal light. We can even apply that to the quarter moons. It's equal light, right? One half dark, one half light with those quarter moons. So we put those on the other arms of the cross to correspond to the equinoxes.

Does this make sense? Are we flowing okay? Yeah. As you're talking to this movement, there's this feeling of this movement, right? That the movement goes from balance to extreme. Yeah. balance to extreme. So within it there's this rebalancing or this impulse for rebalancing and moving through extreme and those balancing of the equinoxes of equal light and dark that then

complete each other as well, that one side of the light fills in the dark and the dark that just matches that there's this completing, yeah, very beautiful symmetry of what you've just described. So I have, as I'm listening, I'm drawing pictures for myself and hopefully for folks listening in on the podcast that there's these visuals perhaps that are coming that are this dance and play of light and dark through the moon and through the sun's, well, really the earth's movement around the sun tilting towards in a way. And that's where the circle comes in because we can make this cross. You can draw it on a piece of paper. you can put your symbols in with it.

But it's not fixed. It's dynamic. And that's where if you draw a circle around the whole thing and understand it's in continuous movement and we just have these, they're not even stopping points. There are signposts along the way. They're markers.

They're markers that we've chosen in time. So those are the four. And then if you cross that, circle again. So we've divided into fourths. If you draw another cross to divide it into eighths, there you have like your crescent, your crescent and gibbous moons. And there you have what are known as the cross quarter days just for that obvious descriptive reason that we're crossing the quarters of the year. And different cultures give those days different names. A lot of people are probably familiar with the neo-pagan terminology, which is derived from somewhat derived from

ancient Celtic traditions. Some of it is beautifully, fancifully derived from Celtic traditions. Some of it is more historically accurately derived from. But a lot of us know those names, right? Bridget and Sowan, and we're familiar with those names for the cross-quartered Aslamas. I always forget the other one. Listeners will know, listeners that are familiar with that neo-pagan wheel of the year will know better than I. There's lots of naming traditions for those.

And we're talking about reinventing the wheel and the importance of like, we talk about regional renaming of the moons of the year. We can do the same with the cross-quarter days. It's our experience. And it's always from our, point on the planet. So it's okay to play with those names too. Yeah. I think that space for the permission, the space for the acknowledgement and the honoring of why they're significant and why certain

significance and names and possibly goddesses or, you know, practices or whatever might also go along with that. Yeah, I think what I'm, what I'm interested in is those particular days, again, And what was the other, there was another word that we had come across for cross quarter solar points. Or it's, like, if each of the solstices and the equinoxes related into the system of the tropical astrology, mark that zero degrees of the cardinal signs. Yeah, it's 15 of fixed. 15 of the fixed science is how it lines up astrologically. Those dates don't always align perfectly with the holidays that we associate with these cross quarters. days like Halloween, Groundhog Day. We have those holidays. But 15 fixed usually falls around

the seventh of that month, November, May. So those are the fixed signs. Leo Aquarius, Torres, Scorpio. Those fixed signs, think about it. Symbolically, it makes sense. That's the middle of that season. Think about May. The roses are in bloom. You've, feel like you're in full spring and everything's just holding in bloom. Think about August. It's the heat of the sun. It's the time when everybody slows down and you're really just soaking in that sunlight that feels like it's never going to end. Aquarius, it's the coldest, iciest part of winter. The Saturn is ruling. And Scorpio, when we're in that fallen leaf mud, it just feels like we're in the thick of it. And the fixed energy is, is that energy of holding. And then for the

cardinal signs, it's like we're, we're getting the beginning of that season with those solstices and equinoxes. So those cardinal signs of Cancer, Capricorn, Ares, Libra, the spark. And there's such poetry. I mean, as you're speaking, like, in the thick of the mud, you know, of like being in the thick of the season and what that feels like. And, then for us in our humanness of how we relate to that for its own particular specificity that again is unique year to year, whether it's a very wet winter or very dry winter, like these other kinds of what feel perhaps out of balanced range of the experience of the climate that as we go through this turning of time and how we relate to that,

being in a place of choosing how we mark that, how we name that, how we mark that. And I think even just in my own personal experience with the wheel of the year as what you described in that, the neo-pagan, I've like danced close to it and then felt like there isn't quite something there that feels like what maybe wants to arise from within. It's evolving, right? And we're part of that, and that's okay. These celebrations are the place where human story meets with those natural cycles. And that brings about, on the one hand, attachment to the way things have always been and the way the family line has always done it, the way the culture has always done it.

But it also brings about that urge to reinvent. So I think those are both legitimate approaches to the way we ceremonialize or mark or experience those natural cycles. It's normal to want to continue the tradition of whatever it is that you come from or even adopt a new tradition, although, you know, there's issues with that. I think what people most need to be reminded of is just what you said, which is that it's also natural impulse to reinvent. And each of us has permission to reinvent. For ourselves, for our region, for our time, for how we've constructed family, how we've broken from culture, those all gives a give us openings to reinvention. And those openings, that feeling of our relationship with time,

that opening that felt like it really came through in and during the pandemic and quarantine of of somewhat losing the points of reference around time that's constructed and named through that lens and historically culturally specific calendar of the Gregorian calendar that those names of even days or months or whatever it might be felt like they became sort of a blur like is Monday really different than Thursday? in the experience. And so when we're in relationship, when that kind of opens up to say, well, what if I, what if I'm choosing that around this, say, moving into that waxing crescent time where we're approaching actually, you know, we've just sort of passed through as this recording

is like passing through that waxing crescent moon time. And also in the solar year approaching that outer ring cycle of that particular time of year of yeah what i'm curious about is how does that time how is that marked seasonally by plants and animals and all of the creatures and activities and then in community how does that what is a kind of a coming together and the sharing of our noticings and yeah, this desire to be in relationship and in step with an unfolding. Yeah. Yeah. As you're talking about how your internal experience of all of this has shifted over the last

couple of years, it reminds me of what's been happening in the bigger cycles in the sky. The pandemic began with that momentum. conjunction of Saturn and Pluto and Capricorn in late Capricorn that comes about only every 40 some odd years that conjunction and that particular one in Capricorn is so much about the breaking of cultural and time structures right Pluto the death and breaking up of Saturn structures Capricorn structures of time, structures of culture. And we're coming to another Pluto moment here, even just this week, with Pluto moving into Aquarius out of that,

out of that sign where he's been for 16 years, that sign of tradition and structure and into the more expansive, still Saturnian, but more expansive place of Aquarius. and just how, really how I was reflecting on how Aquarian this conversation is about the reinvention and the taking of old structures and making them new in ways that work in community. It's very Aquarian.

So, but we're in the midst of making, of applying some Capricorn energy to that, aren't we in the sense of making something real and tangible and workable and doable out of these ideas of reinventing the wheel and living in sync with the cycles of the sun and moon. And we're doing it at the cusp of this sort of Aquarian restructuring moment, which is pretty cool. So what is that that we're doing? Very soon we'll begin in entering into this exploration of lunar in nature and reinventing the wheel. A year-long mystery school to deepen your understanding of the mysteries of both the sun and the moon and that cross of matter intersecting with the circle of spirit.

And we'll do that in a circle of community. And anyone who hasn't yet gotten on the wait list. A growing, a beautiful growing group of you that will be letting know very soon. Really soon. when the doors are opening to join us on this solely lunar journey through the phases and those stations throughout this year of 2024. And when you and I first started, I think you had shared with me a moving wheel kind of diagram of the moon, right?

And the phase is something that you had created. as a project, like as an artistic project. And that just sparks something for me around this exploration of what if we go really deep into the wisdom of each of the phases of the moon at the same time of year of their correspondence with the solar year. Yeah. And I mean, it's nothing new. It's like as old as time.

However, to do that. that in a way that's really infused with creativity. That in that Aquarius way that is outside of the box. Yeah, that's inquire. Yeah, that to know what's in there, to know what the parts are and what's been, you know, come before and honoring that, like honoring the legacy, like honoring that Capricorn.

Legacy of time, what we've inherited. But I think there's a point in all of our lives where we have to look at what we've inherited, whether that is from family structures or societal structures. And here, you know, your curiosity, our shared curiosity around that structures of time and bringing the poetry of our lives, of bringing the, like, the inspiration of from the natural world

that we're a part of that certain times of the year, you know, how they speak to us each in different ways and how we might want to create something really, you know, create something to mark that. And even to tell that story back to ourselves and to do that in a shared community, you know, a container in a space. And whether that comes through in writing or whether that comes through in watercolor or sketching or drawing or song, you know,

whatever the mode is that these phases of the moon and the seasonal, the eight, the eight and how they're speaking to us to be in a container, to be able to really have that opening for listening, how they're speaking to us, what's being communicated, and then what we want to create and share from that. It's really exciting. Yeah, I just got it. I know. All the goosebumps. I know. And with wheels and circles is like, really, where is the beginning? Where to even begin? Because any entry point is its own beginning. Like winter solstice could have been the beginning. It's that turning point with light returning. And then coming up in February. So that's when we're going to, we're marking the beginning. That's where we're marking the beginning with that spark, that cross-quarter day that's celebrated as the spark that reignites what will be the fires of the year. Even just that naming that moment, the spark, you know, there's just even the exploration of language.

I think rather than this being a like, you know, here's the wheel of the year and here, this is Bridget's Day or however that those traditions, that's available. That's like there's many books about that. There's lots of learning and maybe that some of that will come in, especially for different people's experiences with living into that particular wheel of the year. And this is that place for experimentation. I think that's the Aquarius, right? Yeah, and the Gemini and me always wants to know the why of the stories. I love to hear the stories, but then I want to know the why.

Why? Why do we celebrate Bridget around that day of the spark? And who is she? And who does she correlate to? And what does she reflect within us? And then we tap into the aliveness of those old traditions. And then we find the ways that they fit for us now in our world in the ways that they don't.

And it's exciting and creative to have those conversations. And for each of us to strike. that balance for herself of like you were saying honoring the capricornian legacy but embracing the i guess the aquarium reinvention yeah there's space for both and we're at a time right now we're straddling those two worlds do you want to talk a little bit more about that just that the movement between those worlds and how pluto the move yeah i'm just i'm like feeling the energy of like the the slowness the slowness of that slow Pluto is the farthest out.

Of course we know this. He's of the beautiful structure of the solar system and the placement of each of the planets being so reflective of the archetypes they hold within us. And Pluto being what Saturn was for the ancients, which is the farthest reach of our known solar system. And holding that space between us and the outer, darkness and in a sense inhabiting that outer darkness or what has been mythologized as an underworld Pluto the king of the underworld that's the name that that planet got and the way he

behaves in our charts is he's the slowest moving takes him 250 years to get all the way around the zodiac. So none of us as living humans will ever have a Pluto return. Nations have Pluto returns. People don't. Pluto gets through a few signs in your chart. That's all that will happen. So I think of it as like the slow rhythm or drone that's at the baseline of a piece of music. It's that hum in the background that doesn't really change, but sets the whole mood. That's the role that Pluto plays. So when he changes signs, it's a big deal because he's in signs for more than a decade. His time and his sign shifts a lot because his orbit is elliptical.

But he was, he's coming out of Capricorn where he's been since 2007, 8. When he makes the transition, he, like I was saying, straddles that gateway for a little while. He moves back and forth, back and forth. So he moved into Aquarius a little bit last year between. March and June, you probably felt it. You probably felt that place in your life or chart start to open up. You felt like you were letting go of some old baggage from the last decade. But then it came back. It said, no, you have some more work to do. But now we're moving in to the next 20 years. He'll take a little dip back into Capricorn in the fall, but that's not, it's really just going to be

a reprise or a review. 20 years of Pluto on Aquarius starts in earnest this Saturday. And it's heralded by the sun because a beautiful coincidence, if you think it's a coincidence, is happening where that ingress is happening along with the sun's ingress into Aquarius. So the sun's been in Capricorn for a month. The sun and Pluto meet up at 29 Capricorn. And then they go together to zero Aquarius. So the sun, usually we think of other planets heralding the sun, but in the sun, but in the this case, the sun is heralding that entrance of Pluto into Aquarius, which I think makes this

ingress maybe feel more personal than sometimes those outer planet ingresses feel. You know, there's a lot of hype about this transition, and rightly so. We're entering a new era, and we'll see it in our world, and we'll see it in our own lives. But it's so important to remember, like you were saying earlier April, that these transits are not it's not a one-off like this is the moment when Pluto enters Aquarius this is the very seed slow beginning of a 20 year cycle so it's not like oh on Saturday my whole life is going to change many of us won't really feel much at just you know these first months but it's if you think back to what you were doing in 2008 when he shifted into capricorn there was a lot that happened to us then

a lot of restructuring that we've done that's been very difficult. And we're closing that chapter. And that you will feel, but you'll feel that unfolding over the course of the year. So it's pretty much the big astrological news of the week, the month, the year, the decade, Pluto into Aquarius. It's a big deal. And also, it will unfold slowly in our lives. Mm-hmm. Little by little.

There's no real need for fear. Yeah. That description of the hum that feels like the vibration, right? That that hum is that vibration, that vibrating in a certain way of a Capricornness where things are hard, where things can just feel really hard. Maybe it's hard to remember like what that doesn't feel like. I'm just dating myself back to, oh, my first child was born in 2007. Yeah, there you go. On my Saturn return, then at the time not knowing like, oh, and Pluto's also moving

into Capricorn. So that energy of restructuring of my life completely, that went from what felt like a lot more freedom of movement, of travel, of exploration, of being out in the world in a certain way before having kids to then completely restructuring my life in a way where then now there is room for that creativity and expression, but a lot that went in. into creating the structure. Yeah. And what you just described is the transition from Sagittarius to Capricles. I just thought of that when I, you know, I tried to take kids under two are like free tickets or whatever on the airplane, right? I thought I'm going to squeeze in all the

travel that I can. The free tick, you know, do all that. And it was clear, it came to a halt. like any of that bringing over of that energy into that new era. Like we were on an airplane and the engine. It wouldn't start. It wouldn't even get off the ground. And I thought, I'm going to read the sign that this is not a good idea that I am trying to force something right now rather than get off, try to reschedule this flight.

I'm like, I'm going to walk away. And I don't know why, but I feel like I'm grounded and I have to be grounded. Wow. in all senses of the word like do not get on the airplane and so I had to release that yeah the Sagittarius energy of you know it's so literal the plane so literal so completely literal it was rounded into motherhood and that's what you've been doing that's been my chapter that's been my chapter and so yeah seeing this this next chapter of this opening up and that hum and that vibration shifting into something. So I love the way you described it and for people listening of starting to feel like

how is that hum? How can that hum be more along the lines of in a movement into the energy of Aquarius? Yeah. It's still Saturn. So we still have carmic work to do. And it's still about finding our edges. But I always love this analogy of the movement from Capricorn to Aquarius with Saturn is we're climbing a sheer rock face with Capricorn. And we're very, our nervous system is very awake. And we only see what's four inches in front of us, which is rock. And then at some point we summit. And there's all of that feeling of going from a four inch view to a 20,000 foot view. And you're still in the middle of, let's say, a difficult quest, it's not over. You're like halfway through because you still have to come back down. But suddenly your view expands to a dramatic degree. And again, suddenly,

again, with Saturn, suddenly isn't really a Saturn word, and it's certainly not a Pluto word, but over the next year that you will find that view expanding from that right in front of your face, have to climb it with your some part of you is resonating with this you've been doing that since 2008 right as you're listening wherever Capricorn is in your chart you've been climbing a raw rock face and I know some of you

are nodding like yeah I have been depending on your Capricorn placements but somewhere for all of us and now you get a bigger view yeah as you're as you were describing that I got this feeling of like all of the goats then meeting on the top and being like, oh, I wasn't alone doing this. I wasn't alone doing this.

I'm like, can we share a little of like our story of our like? Oh my gosh. I never thought of that. I love that. All the little herd of goodness. You're like reconnect. Right. Reconnect with the collective.

That's so good because yes, of course, that's a really key part of what happens in Aquarius is we reconnect with the collective. or I guess we connect with the collective in a more liberating way. There's collective work in Capricorn, but it really is about like, let's maintain the status quo or let's completely break the status quo. So there's a galvanizing around either, well, I don't even need to describe it because we see it in the world.

We see it in our political systems. But that shifts a little bit with the collective work of Aquarius, which is more fun and curious and innovative. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, as you're talking, I'm like anyone who's listening and is curious and wants to experience this and personalize it and have readings with you and just do client work, I don't know. We can put a link in if you have books open and space available. I do. I have space in February. So come along and we'll talk about what's been going on in your Capricorn House and what you can expect in your Aquarius House, as well as anything else that you'd like. like to dig into. I take a really compassionate approach. I do not do scary astrology. I do nurturing

astrology. Yes, very supportive, very nurturing. The jumping, just hopping back into that Capricorn Aquarius for a moment and when you're describing Saturn, for some people who have that understanding within astrology, that each sign has a guardian planet that's connected to it. when Saturn was the outer limit, right, then that there weren't enough planets to go around for all the signs. So the traditional ruler of both Capricorn and Aquarius is Saturn. And then the modern ruler of Aquarius is Uranus, which then wasn't discovered at the time where there was all the delegation of, you know, who's the guardian, who's whose guardian? It's possible to use both rulerships. I like to use the modern rulerships. I like to use the modern

rulerships as a way of expanding the planetary story. And then the elegance of the system of traditional rulership is just such a joy to work with as a predictive astrologer. And the cool thing about the dual rulership is you have one diurnal and one nocturnal. So you have the yin and the yang of the planet with the two signs that are rolled. So I like to use all of them. Of course, I'm a Gemini. I can always jump around like that. But thank you for mentioning that about rulerships. The reason I'm talking about Saturn is because he is the traditional ruler of both Capricorn and Aquarius. And which one is the diurnal, the day and which one is the night?

Aquarius is the diurnal. And yeah, it correlates to the element. So the air and fire signs will be the diurnal rulership and the earth and water, the nocturnal. Beautiful. And the significance, too, of this movement then Pluto has been almost 200-year-ish, again, with irregularity, 250 return, that the country or nation of the United States is experiencing what's called the Pluto return of coming back around to the... To the 1770s. If that means anything to you Americans, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's a big deal. It's like what is the foundations, yeah, of this country and how the shifting at a foundational level and that opening up and making space and breathing new life into a place of where the old needs to be composted of the things that are not serving. and that feels very, very up in the collective of, you know, you and I are talking about reimagining

time, our personal relationship with time and bringing in the luminaries of the sun and the moon and collectively of reimagining like countries in our roles and on. Oh, it's going to be huge in the next 20 years. Yeah, big changes. And we'll continue to see the breakage of systems that we've been seeing with Capricor. but we'll see more innovation, I think, coming into, I mean, I'm an idealist, but coming into Heal Systems, that's the vision that I'm holding. Yeah.

Yes. Let's hold that together. Well, thank you, Bronwyn. This has been so beautiful and just gives me that feeling of spring. Give me that feeling of reproofs to talk about all of this. with you. So I'm excited for our collaboration. All of us will go through a process of initiation, including April and I, this thing is just kind of been writing us more than we've been writing it. And I'm really excited about the community that this will call together and the reinventions

that will engage in together. Beautiful. And when you said initiation, it made me feel like, wow, the moon has been initiating me. I mean, the past 10 years of creating a lunar calendar without having set out that for my plan of life. Apparently some part of me was, seed had been planted there. And so that initiation really coming from a non-hierarchical way, it's the sun and the moon and all conspiring to, yeah, initiate us into our greater knowing and understanding and embodiment and creative expression of those the mysteries hidden in plain sight and what wants to reveal itself. Yeah, beautiful.

Yeah, so come come and join us and we'll put all the links below. And yay, thank you, Bronwyn, and thank you everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you. Until next time. Bye for now. If you like this podcast, please subscribe, leave a review, share it with a friend, all the things to help it reach more people who will benefit in some meaningful way. I'm April and I'll be with you next time on Between the Moon.