Between the Moon - Ep 33: From earth to sky - tending to your moon sign and the elements with Emma Kupu Mitchell

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Welcome back to the podcast! In today’s episode I have the pleasure of speaking with my friend and colleague Emma Kupu Mitchell to discuss using your moon sign as a practical self-care tool for grounding during stressful times, overwhelm, life transitions, or just as an everyday practice for self-study. Emma is a holistic practitioner and a creative spiritual guide for women in midlife and beyond.This conversations was inspired by Emma telling her daughter to “do your moon” while adjusting to university life in England. Emma shares her background in aromatherapy, Ayurveda, massage, and nature-based living, plus a love-hate relationship with astrology that emphasizes taking “spoonfuls” and focusing on embodied, elemental connection rather than overwhelm or rigid predictions. You’ll hear us frame astrology as an ancestral, seasonal navigation tool to observe how different lunar transits affect one’s inner life, not binary “good/bad” interpretations. If you are new to astrology or want to deepen your connection with the elements and daily practice of self study, I recommend you get out your journal and follow along! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit themoonismycalendar.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome, dear listener, to Between the Moon, a podcast about self-study in relationship with cycles. I'm your host, April McMurtry, founder of The Moon is My Calendar. On today's episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with my friend and colleague Emma Kupu-Mitchell. We discuss using your moon sign, and by using, I mean, not an accent. like in an extractive way, more like working with the sign that the moon was in when you were born as a practical tool and a way to practice self-care, especially when things feel out of sorts. And this could mean like a daily awareness. It could be seasonal.

We go into a lot of examples in this episode. and we hope this is accessible for people who are new to astrology. We really work to share the fundamentals in a very elemental way that's nature-based. So hopefully it feels very welcoming and light bulbs will go off that you can make connections and deepen your relationship with this lunar part of yourself. And we go more into depth with that as well. So Emma is a holistic practitioner. She's a spiritual guide that works with creativity and all kinds of modalities that are, I

shared them in the show notes if you're interested in her background. And she works with women in midlife and beyond. So this conversation was inspired by something that Emma shared with me earlier this year. When you do your moon or this practice of doing your moon is coming from this place of tending to your inner self, your inner dimensions and the landscape of your emotions and the things that we need to really feel at home with ourselves, that we come back to kind of a baseline reset. And one way to do that is to find some more insight that relates to your moon sign. So hopefully this will shed some light on that.

It might give you some new ideas. We go through every single sign. So this episode is probably the longest episode that I've published. It's a little like sharing a recipe of here are some ingredients that you can then build on or add or subtract. So thank you so much for being here. And one more thing before we get started. If you love this podcast and appreciate this work, please consider writing a review. And I think the best place to do that is on Apple Podcasts for whatever reason.

you can like click and rate with the stars and also write a comment. Anything is like super appreciated. And I just want to thank all of the subscribers to Between the Moon on Substack and for the paid subscribers that support this work with your generosity. I'm so, so grateful. So thank you so much. There's a couple times that Emma and I ask for your ideas or comments. Please feel free if you'd like to to come on over to Substack and share those comments.

episode. I love getting feedback and just hearing what resonated and also, and especially if you're a newbie to astrology, if there's things that you, like questions that you have, I love being in that place of the beginner's mind and learning. So if there's something where you're like, what is this, or how does this work or I don't quite understand this, please feel free to leave comments. All right. Thank you. Let's dive in. I'm so glad that we're having this conversation today. And this conversation was sparked by something you mentioned, Emma, that you had said to your daughter. This whole idea of doing your moon. And if we want to just dive in a little bit about you were sharing the kind of relationship to astrology, how it came into your life, how you like to work with it, how it informs you.

And I know there's so much more that you do in your work, Emma. And so if you'd like to give just like this little glimpse into your world of these creative tools that you like to work with. Thank you, April, for this conversation. Yeah, I love you. I love your calendars. I love all the work. Oh, where do we begin? I have a love, hate relationship with astrology.

And I know that sounds a little bit harsh. I'm keeping it real here and authentic. I think the more I learn, the less I feel I know. So I've been studying astrology deep for about the last 10 years, which is minimal compared to my other kind of holistic practices. So really, I'm coming up for my second Saturn return. I'm 58 soon. Most of my life I've been interested in the natural world and how we can live in harmony and health and wholeness. In respect to that, I grew up on a farm in Yorkshire. I now live in Hawaii, these beautiful places that are very connected to sense of place and nature and the elements. I've got a tourist sun. I mean, anything elemental and of plant realm and the senses is my magic and play arena, really. When I call myself a holistic practitioner, I guess my love, a clinically certified in aromatherapy.

pre-clinical Iyveda, and then holistic massage and esthetician in England 20, 35 plus years ago. I was 20, 21 and dived into that world of health and holistic medicine. How did I get to astrology? That's a great question. I've actually loved having astrology consultations myself. And every time I've had one, I'm like blown away with the information. And to be honest, a little overwhelmed. and then thought, what do I do with that?

It sounds amazing. It's very informative. I love learning. I have a Sagittarius rising. I love the storytelling. I love the information and the education and evolving myself. However, I'm always left with, what do I do with that? You know, I love the information and it overwhelms me.

I'm trying to think back, why actually I do now know. know, I was doing a creative kind of journaling class with Haley Carla. And in one of her groups, there was a lady that lived just at the road from me. And I live on Oahu. So to get somebody else two miles away, Sonny Mosley, and we met for coffee, get this April, her and her husband were astrologers moon-based for 30 to 40 years. She was in her 70s. She's since passed.

But she was the spark, really, about 2015, that kind of, and we would look out on her lanai at the sky. She taught me a lot about the relationship. And then, of course, and I've always loved the night sky and just the expansiveness. And it's very humbling. So that's the entryway. And then I do many other things. and I used to teach a lot of meditation on the island with sound, crystalline sound,

and I would always schedule it on the new or full moon. It just made sense for the cycles and the rhythms and our connection to water, particularly women and our bodies. And yeah, I've always had this fascination. And Lily, my daughter or our daughter, who's 22 April now, it's hard to believe. Wow. He would often come and help set up. So she was immersed.

in a little bit of the knowledge and my work and always had an interest. She's got a lot of Aquarius planets in her chart. And Sonny Mosley would always say, Lily, you'd be an amazing astrologer. So she got involved a little bit, dabbled in and out. Anyway, fast track, she left Hawaii and went back to England. She did the opposite to me. Went, Mom, I'm going to university in England. So that was 2022 and it's a three-year program. But April, she would call regularly, it was rough,

it was a rough ride. I think the naivety of growing up in Hawaii sense of place, the connection to her roots, her lineage is, it was just a natural way of being raised. And she wanted to connect with her British heritage, but

leads an urban northern city, concrete in a huge building and then fending for herself. She would come call home and, Mom, I'm so stressed and I'm missing home and I would be like, Lily, do your moon. You just need to do the moon in your chart and she'd be like, I know, mom. So that's how I said to you, your daughters. I think it's a reminder when things feel very crazy out there. Our moon can help us nurture,

come back to self. So that's what I mean about doing your moon. Yeah. Oh my goodness. What a journey. And I am recalling that I think I was in that program with Haley Carla because I met,

Sonny and I had exchanged emails over the love of the moon and the calendar and all of that. So I'm so glad that just to imagine, imagine you and her under the sky together and connecting in that way and and honoring her legacy of that connection is really beautiful. Yeah, I think you were. Yeah, in the stars. I did it a few years. In the stars. Yeah, look at that. That's a full circle moment. That is. That was, and did you say, I think, at least 10 years ago. Yeah. More. Yeah. Wow. Incredible.

I can, yeah, I, it's, I'm recalling early on exposure to astrology. So for me, maybe 15 years ago. And I really had a resistance because I think a lot of the way that the language of astrology can sometimes feel like being boxed in, like being typecast by the astrological signs. And to have it become more expansive and to really understand that a birth chart is this mandala, really, of the cosmos, that there's not just one being pigeonholed. And I think because my son, and I love that we share this earth, very practical earth connection for having a Capricorn sun or my son in Capricorn, the way that sign is

often talked about is really such a party pooper, like cold-hearted Scrooge, just success. driven and there were things that I just really had an aversion to. And so I thought, if this is what astrology is telling me about myself, then really, please, I don't want to have anything to do with this system. I didn't have an entry point in, really, until I started understanding the connection of the signs to the seasons. That really opened this door of, oh, this is a language, this is a seasonal, and this is tropical astrology, a seasonal language. And that made sense, just like what you said with the plants and place is, oh, this can be really grounded and rooted in this earth experience, even though we're talking about the cosmos

and parts of the sky that correspond with signs of the zodiac. Yeah. And I always go back to, before we had software and all the digital, date, the amazing program is at the touch of our fingers, really. Think about our ancestors. And really, it was my father-in-law, who's Hawaiian, Hawaiian Chinese on Hawaii Island. And he always said that it was a navigation system and a way of being and living, from farming to fishing to planting. And I think we've forgotten a little bit of that. The sophistication in the information that's at our fingertips anywhere is wonderful, but also I think a little bit dangerous and then detaches us. There's a disconnect from who we are and an embodied human being, a nature and the natural

world that we're living in and around. And I think our ancestors and many indigenous cultures used astrology in the living sky looking up, yeah, on a guide of how to live in relationship and you're the yeah so i'm with you that's why i love you and you work so much yeah we speak a similar language i think and i'm very much a beginner's mind on everything i share so a lot of the people that maybe do and i do consultations but it's a blended very elemental the elements like the seasons you know we are part of that they live in us were made up of kind of air water fire earth I think my Ayavidic background studying that in London, it made sense. These old ways of being in relationship to health and who we are just made sense.

So I'm with you and it's not dissing astrologers or astronomers. I love it. I'm intrigued. But it can get every day, what do we do with that? Here I am a tourist. It's like a spoonful. It's like the buffet's there. And then I go, ooh, there's that.

that. I'm going to have just a spoonful of trifle and a spoonful of that and then I'm out. Otherwise, it's too much. Yeah. Take what you need thing. And yeah, it's like a rabbit hole, isn't it? I always come back to it's such a vast study that I always say literally the more I learn, the less I feel I know. It's so humbling. And I think just follow the nudges for people that are listening. You do you, if it intrigues you and you want to go deeper, fantastic. Yeah, but don't have a loose sense of who you are and how you can be in relationship with the best version of who you are, right? I think, and I think the moon can just, I'm still learning my relationship, I have a Scorpio moon with Neptune right there. So the depth of my moon can feel

really overwhelming and I know I retract. Don't. I can go, oh, that's too much. So I think it's just this continual learning of self. And I always start with the element. I don't know about you, but it's the element that I think, that makes sense because I know what water is and ultimately it wants to flow. If I'm feeling stuck and frustrated and a bit, I'm like, okay, Emma, what do I need to two to come back to flowing with my emotional state. All the water signs ultimately to create the harmony want this kind of equilibrium and it's the flowing, isn't it? Yeah. So for me, the simplicity of doing the moon is start with the element. Yeah. I completely, and I was going to suggest that in just when you have 12 signs, 12 is a number that is a little beyond.

grasp that as if they were each individual kind of categories. And so that's what helped me too early on was just let's group them. And there's two ways to group, two ways that I love grouping and elements clearly is, I think, the most pronounced where there's a commonality that fire signs share in earth and air and water signs. And then the grouping of the modality of how, which I love too, how those elements are unique in their expression. So maybe that's, we could bring in that language and I'll break it down a little bit for people who are listening, brave listeners who are new to astrology and want some of this, it really is a language.

And I think that's one of the harder parts is when you study any language as a second language at some point later on, you do have to go back to preschool and kindergarten. and just one word at a time and hear that 10 times to reinforce. And so I'm a language teacher by training. I know you are. I've got Spanish for many years. And I love these building blocks putting together so you can actually communicate. And with astrology, too, develop fluency.

And I feel like really I love the poetry of astrology and that kind of expression of language. That's symbolic. And then when we talk about bringing symbols into a practical sense, when we're going to share through each of the signs, this idea of doing your moon, how to bring those into things that you can just apply. And I like what you said too about just sharing that story of your daughter and those times in life where we feel out of sorts or out of our element.

She's like you said, I just felt that how out of her element she was. Totally. Relocate. And any of those times of big transitions or just feeling disoriented, I feel like there's, especially if you're tapped into any kind of the like media and following stories, especially in the news, but just in the vibe, in the vibration of life on earth right now, feels very disorienting.

Totally. It's a lot, isn't it? Staticky. Oh, I know. Yeah. And those listeners are maybe wondering, my daughter has a tourist moon, actually. So I would always send us some money and go get a nice takeout because she's having to cook for herself or go and have a nice bath, Lily. Just treat yourself and slow down. Yeah, it's, but yeah, her moon's tourist just in case people are going, and what is her moon? And so that piece of our chart of the sun, we share our sun sign with everyone who's born within that about month time range around the time when the sun goes through each of the signs. And then the moon is so quick, it's more unique to each of us in that combination of our sun and our moon, just spending about two and a half days in each sign as it the moon orbits the earth and travels more around. So that's something just to look at the birthday, the birth year, in that unique moment where the moon was. And so that's another dimension of the self.

I didn't ever know until I realized that our lunar self is this very intimate, sometimes private, might not even be something we're tapped into until, and often astrology can bring this forth, until we have this awareness of this other dimension. Absolutely. Right? Have the solar dimension of more outward expression, but the lunar dimension is that our inner life. It is, it's a personal little recipe that is very unique to us. And I also, well, I was raised and the collective societal, it's very much solar-based, isn't it?

And pop astrology, we all tend to go, oh, I'm a this, I'm a that, which is sun-based only. And not too many people know there's another dimension. What's the inner world? Yeah. The moon. Yeah, the young, outward active sun consciousness, of course, the light we need. But what about the inner realms that reflect the emotion? tendencies and the support and the nurturing and the safety and the security of, oh,

it's like that beautiful exhale and coming back to who we really are. Yeah. And so the moon, maybe not many people know that, oh, you have your own moon sign and element and placement. Yeah. There's a lot within that just in itself, isn't it? And I think for me making a moon calendar, I do get a lot of questions about what does it mean? What does it mean when, the moon, say if I'm a Capricorn Sun, if the moon is in that sign, or I have another Earth sign for my moon, I'm a Virgo moon. What does it mean when the moon is in Virgo? And because I sell the calendar at markets, I get to just talk to people who aren't intentionally looking for a moon calendar and find my website, they're just at a market. And then they see this thing. And they're like,

a lot of questions. And I love that. Because it's so fresh. in that kind of, what does it mean? Yeah, unreal. Everyday reality, right? We're talking to, yeah, I love that too. And my response, because I think people want some, my perception is people want me to say, oh, it's a good thing or it's a bad thing,

like very black and white. And I have a very hard time being binary in my thinking at all, really because I see so many the gradient in the shades and the range. And I tell them like this is why I made the calendar. It's for self-study so that you can see

what is your inner life like when the moon comes through and is transiting again, the sign that it was in when you were born. And take note of that. Otherwise you're giving your power away to somebody else and I'm like putting my hands up

like I'm not going to take that on as a responsibility to tell you what your experience is going to be like. So that's part of my approach in teaching and sharing this work is this is self-study, so experiment. Yeah, I love that. Everybody has a unique relationship, right? Because we're all unique. Even if a birth chart, everything is so individual. Yeah, and it's probably, I'd love their responses. Are they shocked? I think they want an easy answer. And I'm just, I'm not, yeah, there isn't an easy answer because this is a lifetime journey, that relationship, like you said, it develops and it deepens. And it's something to be curious about. So yeah,

what we're going to share about doing your moon, I think is, can I say this in a way because I don't like to follow recipes. I will use them as a general guideline, but I almost can't make myself follow recipe because I want to mix it up or I have this, oh, what, I wonder if this would be good in this. So as we're sharing, I want to sort of preface that with this is, here's this maybe recipe that you get to adjust and add to and subtract to. I'm with you. This is a test kitchen. This is like the moon test kitchen here.

I love it. Yep. A little bit of this, little bit of that. And you add your own spices and whatever else you want to add. Yeah. So I wonder, should we, Emma, should we start with fire signs? Yeah, I'll, wherever you feel is guided, it's good. We're in a very fiery year, aren't we with externally, yes.

So fire signs, yeah, I'm laughing. In a way, I wish I'd known this before I'd married my second husband, Glenn. So he has about 10 planets in Ares in his first house. Sun, moon, rising. I know, and he was the fire chief for 30 years. It's so funny. He knew nothing about astrology. He's now a believer, but you can't make that stuff up.

So when he say fire size, I'm laughing. Because I know the air is, I know it very well. And wow. Yeah, and he's still learning. He's 67, and he's still learning to understand that enormity of the fire and the connection within him and what he needs to do to manage that for himself

and for us those around. The fire signs I love because they're so dynamic and out, aren't they? I think about what fire does. The light of the fire can be huge and devastating if there's too much

thinking back to Maui fires here and that the flame of a candle or a fireside log fire so beautiful. when it's contained and illuminates and magical, right, the fire, the element of fire. So, and so transformative and dynamic. I think that those words that are such fire words. And so Ares, and I think that because the zodiac starts with this, it's a cycle.

So you could enter in at any point. But official like Aries being the first sign of the zodiac and being that marked. or seasonally of spring is like really the heat is back in the northern hemisphere. And so things want to come to life and that kind of bursting forth. So we have Aries and then Leo and Sagittarius. And so we can group them by their elements. So we'll talk about the fire. And then their modality then gives that flavor to the fire. Absolutely. And I always, for me, I think about, I don't know about the body parts for you, But when I learned that, I was like,

Ares sits various places in the body, but it's the head first. It's like birthing. When we give birth, like you've had children and me, trusting if they're in the right fetal position, but it's the head first. And I always think, gosh, my husband knows that if too much of that fire builds up, he can get headaches or feels very stressed or frustrated. And he needs to move it.

He literally does, he loves going to the gym or walking or. exercising. But I think a lot of the fire signs, if there isn't this movement or this dynamic kind of outward expression, it can feel very frustrating inwardly. Yeah, I don't have a fire moon. So I'm not sure. I'm only expressing it by observing him for the last 25 years. Being married. And so I go, oh, you do you. Yeah. If you need to go to the gym for an hour or just go for a run or whatever it is, go and do it. Yeah. So something about for that fire energy, the physical exertion. And I think the fire has the heat. And so that physical exertion that might bring like the sweating or the heat like raising the temperature up to sweat it out,

which brings the water to cool down, that it doesn't get like the inflammation or just that kind of building inside without an outlet. Yeah, and I'm talking physically, you could say emotionally and spiritually. I always think it's just, it's working with that energy, isn't it? And it may be depleted. Some people might feel lethargic. There are going to be fire moons that just feel very, yeah, that lethargy and the opposite to what we're talking about, not particularly creative or vital or vibrant, then how do you then balance that stoke the fire, right? Yeah. So I always think fiery things, that could be creating, that could be collage or knitting or surfing or what gardening, whatever that is for you that lights the fire within. And that's this relationship of understanding what stokes the fire

within. Yes. Yeah. So doing the moon when there's a fire moon, there's that, a kind of the vitality. And so looking at what is what brings that vitality and where that is on your own inner scale. Yeah. And there's, I feel like the fire, there's the warmth, but there's also this enthusiasm with the head first is let's go for it. And so in an emotional sense, too, like that having the ability to express. And possibly that express, that express is, in a way that might not necessarily mean sitting down and let's have a cup of tea and talk about our feelings, but it might be going to a concert or it might be going somewhere where you can just like cheer and yell and be sing along or if you're into sports or something where there's a

kind of like that feeling of camaraderie where the voice gets to express, but it doesn't necessarily be, it's not necessarily a touchy feel the expression. It's more of a enthue. enthusiasm for a yes i love that i love that image yeah and just expressing correct that's what comes to mind for me and being seen so maybe that energy might be a connection in a community or something you love to do yeah but being out there yeah and only you know how much out there or dynamic vitality you need. It's going to vary each month as well, isn't it? That's the understanding of observing.

Actually, I've had a lot out there all month. The Ares moons come back around and this month, no, that out there, the stoking the fire, might mean making a lovely meal for myself and journaling or expressing in another way or singing along to your favourite music in the shower or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, even going for a drive. like that movement of the change of scenery and the, yeah, I think. Yeah, doing something maybe that you wouldn't choose to normally do, whatever that.

Yeah, just exploring, getting out there. Yeah. They all express a little bit differently, don't they? But yes, I think we've covered quite a good understanding of fire. Yeah, I think there's one other piece, right? Because within the areas, there's this energy of starting. and that's the cardinal. Yes.

The newness of and having that, when I think of the adrenaline rush of excitement for something. Yeah. And can be a little impulsive, right? You go, oh, let's just do it. And then you go, oh, what have I done? But there's that kind of doing it. Just let's do it.

Get out there and, yeah, beginning something fresh. Yeah, the ignition spark. Yeah, that turning the turning the key. And so doing your moon, like anyways, any of these, like we said, this recipe of taking. the elements or the ingredients. And because then the next fire sign of Leo has that fixed energy. Yeah. Which is more contained, which there's something about that I've been feeling as I've been relating with fire. I have a Leo rising. I'm married to Leo. My dad is a Leo. I'm trying to

think of people I know that with Leo moons, right, that there's more of that inner world, that the fire is really like there's companionship. Like a fireplace where you go and you sit and you're like there's a sitting within a companionship and a sharing and a kind of telling stories around the fire. Yeah, very hot woman. Lily has a Leo rising and my father-in-law was a Leo's son. I know quite a few people with a Leo moon, a dear friend Geraldine that's on Ireland. And they're very good at uplifting others.

And in doing that, they uplift themselves. So I agree, what comes to mind is that warmth and generosity of the heart space. It just feels. I always think Leo can get a little bit of a bad rap as well sometimes. Because he's, oh, look at me, here I am. It's the sun, isn't it? It's that vitality. But there's the warmth and that kind of attraction that I think when it's contained in a beautiful, healthy way,

I always think, Jerylain, I love being around her and with her. or hearing her voice and yeah, there's something you write about a shared space with the Leo. Yeah, that feels so warming and like a hug, right? It's like a contained hug. That's how I would describe the high vibe balance to Leo. Yeah. Yeah. And there is something that the encouraging of creativity.

And so maybe it's your own practice or maybe it is like going to be around kids. as that, as a, the Leo, like, to engage with play and in doing the moon, like, finding a way to be, be in that playful mode and relating. And sometimes that can be, like, entering into a child's world. And just that anything is possible there because it's. Yeah, playful and fun. And, yeah, it's, I always think about Leo and the line and the courage as well. It just feels different to the Ares energy, doesn't it?

Yeah. And exploring that. Yeah, no. And moving on to Sagittarius is what you're going to say. And I have the Sagittarius rising. Yeah. And then moving from the cardinal that starts out, the fix that holds in place. And then the Sagittarius is that mutable in between seasonally, the in between time between fall and winter in the northern hemisphere.

sphere. And so the moon is in Sagittarius, the moon is in every sign, every single lunar cycle, but it's that fractal way that it helps us to tap into that moment of the Sagittarius moment that is, I don't know, for me, it always feels like the shooting star, like this comet or the shooting star or this something that just lights up and arcs and moves towards a horizon of possibility. And like you see that lifelong learning of that like that desire to to explore and learn and grow and yeah, it's the adventure, isn't it? We all get two and a half days, don't we? And this, I was think about the arrow, but I also think about a plane journey and just that expansive, the freedom to learn and explore and adventure and yeah, that that continual,

It's a moving part of fire, isn't it? The adaptability, the flexibility, which feels quite freeing, right? There's a letting go and, oh, let's see where that's going to end up feeling. And I wonder for doing the moon, meaning that kind of coming back to the energy with the comforts of a feeling of freedom, a comfort of if things have gotten very routine or mundane, to find a way to, if you can, go on a day trip or even look, I don't know, sometimes with my kids when they were younger, we would just look at like maps. I was just going to say the same thing. The map comes to mind. Yeah. And just imagine and just

feel like, wow, there's so much that has not been, you know, even if you go to the same place, there's things to discover that you wouldn't have noticed the first time around, but having that kind of new fresh experience that just helps shift the perspective when things might feel just like a sense of dullness. Like that moon, for doing that moon with Sagittarius is like calling in a bit of the, I would say the unknown, but it's a little more of the, what perspective have I not even considered and that I can just sit in a cafe. and hear other people's conversations and feel renewed by all the possibilities of ways that

there are to live. Yeah, maybe that might be trying, here I go again, food or trying any recipe or imagining, wow, if I could go anywhere in the world, where would that be? That's why I love maps. Or going to a library and going into a different part of the library that you would usually go to and taking a book out. just, yeah, taking a book out on something you'd, a subject you'd never normally learn or read about. I always think there's a kind of learning to teach yourself and that student teacher vibe with Sagittarius and very much the

storytelling. Maybe that's listening to a new podcast in that moon phase or just buying some new food or having a conversation with somebody when you're out on your walk that maybe you might not spark that conversation because culturally, whatever that is, there's a diversity and an expansiveness, isn't there, on new horizons with the Sagittarius. So what would that look and feel like for you to do that Sagittarius moon? Yeah. And I love so bringing the fire that remembering that we have our personal moon, natal moon sign from our birth, but since the moon is traveling through all of them, And that's one way to deepen into the lunar currents and the lunar astrology is to play with, sometimes it happens naturally, but to play with these themes in a way each cycle, not necessarily

every single one, every single time, but if there's a certain sign that you feel called to, that could be your moon sign, or it could just be one that you want to explore. Yeah, no, I love that. And I love how you've done, you upgrade every year. But it's really fascinating. Yeah, and you might want to start with an element, like just explore all the Earth moons in that month and see how that feels in you and how it changes things

or, yeah, what's that relationship feel like? Yeah. Some people will connect in a different way. And for me, again, Scorpio mood, my emotions, how I'm feeling that month, I've noticed really affects my own. own connection to the moons in that month. I don't know about you, April, but yeah, it's like a waterfall. Some of them wash over me beautifully and others. It's, oh, God, that doesn't feel great

this month. But I want to go back and look deeper at that. And it may be somebody in your family or a friend that you know their moonside. And I always think that's fascinating. And to then maybe put yourself in that moon phase in the month. So if you've a friend or somebody that has a different moon, to you, that's fun to play around with. Yeah. I'm always tracking my kids' moons, especially my youngest has a Pisces. They were born a Pisces full moon. And this summer when we had with the node in Pisces and there was the eclipse, it was, I, without being hard on myself, I'm like, wow, I should have seen this coming. I should have buffered more. It was so emotionally intense.

it was really only in hindsight that I thought, wow, this was a really strong transit that now moving forward, we can look to and anticipate, not with fear, but just with some of that buffering around a little more downtime, making sure that things are as calm, like more calm without extra. There was just so much stress and it was around back to school time. Sorry. Yeah. It was this perfect storm. It was a perfect storm. And there are moments like, that within when we look at our personal charts and have an understanding what the current sky, where that's landing for us, it's not all the time. Not every new moon or full moon is going to necessarily bring up a bunch of stuff, but it really can especially when it hits close to home.

Definitely. It's been prepared, isn't it? I always think awareness gives us the tools to choose better, right? Yeah, it's a little bit like a weather forecast or do we need the umbrella or not or a raincoat or what are we preparing for with the clothing. And yeah, I know. Oh, gosh. I know. And sometimes it is, it's hindsight. And sometimes that kind of, whether it's a breaking point, like, needs to be reached to make a bigger shift because it takes a certain amount of energy to shift whatever the inertia is of doing things the same way to move out of that. Big lessons. I'm sure you all remember that, right? So now we're all prepared. Yeah. I'm having it on my radar. So when you said tracking other people in your life, there's the stages and it might just be starting with yourself, but when you

start to see for other, really with beginner's mind, because it's this open book of how the choices we make and how we live that out. Yeah, noticing, isn't it, and observing. Gosh, she was You've only got to fire, haven't we? I know. I was going to say, okay, fire, we're going to move to Earth. So fire's like that spark, right, that makes the ash that, when I think of the order, of the logic of the order, that makes the ash that becomes Earth. So after the first sign of Ares comes Taurus, and we have Taurus and Virgo and Capricorn

are three Earth signs, Taurus being the fixed, Virgo being the shifting mutable, and then Capricorn being that cardinal starting out. out and probably you and I are more versed and personally with the earth signs just from our own our own charts. And you spoke a bit to the Taurus moon. And I think anything with Taurus and especially with the moon when life, the pace of life, picks up too much when things feel too fast, that can be so disorienting and so disruptive. Whereas an Ares moon might feel like, yeah, woohoo. I'm laughing because going to the airport with my husband and Lily and me, oh my gosh, you know that TSA line? Glenn's through it.

Boom. Where's he gone? And Lily and I are like, well, wait a minute. And they're asking me to take this out. And I'm like, I just feel like saying, slow the F down. And stop rushing me. That's the Toros energy, right? Can we all just take a moment?

What's the hurry? It's a great reminder in a tourist moon, isn't it, to just take a breath, smell the roses. Yes. What's the hurry? Be here and now. Yeah. And to have that dynamic between, when you start to have that lens of the elements, you can see, oh, this is why two people are responding so differently to the same circumstance. Yeah.

For me, so Taurus and then Virgo is that mutable. I understand it now when I look back when I was a teenager and when I would feel out of sorts or things just would feel not that inner life just the too much turmoil. I would rearrange my room. I would rearrange the furniture. And that was my comforting, soothing

when I needed a shift in perspective, coming back to my own Virgo moon because there's a mutable energy, there's that shifting nature and the earth is the physical realm. Yeah, tangible. In this case, for me, it was the furniture. Every month would be a new configuration. And I still do that in my office. It's like my mode of, okay, let's start a new chapter.

I'm going to clean, also very Virgo, in that detailed of I'm seeing all this dust. I usually just let it get to me. It's a very cyclical. It's not an everyday needs to be clean. For me, it's like once a month, do a deep clean, and then let things get messy for a while. And then they'll get straightened up again. And we all have different thresholds of that cleanliness. But I think for Virgo, in that practical sense of when the physical space, when things feel out of sorts,

to make the physical space feel more. Yeah, reorganize, yeah, whatever that is, cleaning, sorting, list, I'm a big list, the tangibility of just seeing what I need to do right now. What's the next step? Virgo are really good at discerning the practicality of what's essential. I know I love my Virgo friends and my Virgo moon because I'm like, oh, just help. Yeah, if they're not too perfectionist and.

too critical, but letting go of that. I'm visualizing you changing like the feng shui. Very practical, isn't there with Virgo? Yeah. Yeah. And because there's also a connection with health, it also may be that kind of like that to-do list of the things of, you know what, I'm just, I'm going to get this checked out. It's whatever the thing might be, whether it's getting bodywork or that Virgo's connected with the internal organs of digestion, of, Yeah. Tending to some kind of thing that feels nourishing to the body that may be a daily practice. I think the apothecary, aren't they?

If that could be a new food or it could be a crystal or a herb in the garden or, yeah, yeah, that whole alchemical apothecary of the earth-earthy connection with Virgo is, yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Tangibility, right, with the earth. and the groundedness and the practicality is a theme. But your Virgo, you're very adaptable and flexible and the movement. A little bit more fixed. That's...

Right. This is where the couch goes and it stays there. And I'm like, but it could go. What have we just shifted things? And I think in the garden as well, last spring, I dug up a lot of plants that I could tell weren't. I hadn't really... They weren't right in the right place.

And so there was this rearranging within the garden of where are things going to thrive the most? Of, okay, the sages need more sun. So I'm going to put them in this side of the house where they can get more sun. So that kind of seeing the terrain of the landscape and making those matches. Yeah, I think that's great discernment, isn't it? Just an understanding of what can thrive and do well and be healthy. Yeah, the health orientation. And I would say anything on the lunation journal or in the moon calendar, that is a daily practice of connecting with the moon that just for any moon sign, I feel like that's the part of we're tending to this inner landscape by looking outward and seeing where the moon is and seeing what the cycle is the current seasonal cycle and then also connecting inward and strengthening that relationship.

So a very strong Virgo moon practice, but also an offering from the Virgo moon to all. Yeah, an opportunity, isn't it, each month? Yeah. And then the final corn, I think Capricorn moons, my oldest has a Capricorn moon. And it's still something, it's interesting that Lily has the Taurus moon and you have the Taurus sun. And Pearl has the Capricorn moon and I have the Capricorn sun. So there's this way of mothers of we know some, we know a bit about that energy that we're able to guide perhaps in some way. Yeah, and hopefully guide by being an example.

And it's interesting because there's, I think, the Capricorn, it seems as if it would be at odds with the moon. And it's only, I've thought about this before of that kind of not like a secret god. garden, but this inner, sometimes more guarded space emotionally where it's not like the emotions are flowing. They can be held maybe possibly more private. And the things that can, I don't know, that can help in having a goal or a sense of a purpose or dedicating oneself, whether that's through that sense of like work identity or work ethic of Capricorn's, that feeling of what it feels like to be successful at something. Yeah, the achievement, isn't it?

Yes. And when that's connected with the moon, the archetype of the moon is more, it's not as like success or achievement oriented. But it's like this is the process, like the process and the journey is the purpose. And so to have a Capricorn moon to feel soothed, I think there's a soothing part of I'm taking care of business. Yeah. I used to think, because Capricorn, to me, when I first started, seemed very masculine, like outward. And I always have to remind myself, all the earth and water signs flow down and in.

So I always think of Capricorn as more a grandmother, wise elder, teacher of the moon. I don't know too many. I have to say Capricorn Moon, so you can speak better into that. But it reminded me that Capricorn is the rock and the mountain and its steadfastness. It's amazing of holding such wisdom within itself, but can go a little bit ambitious and the overdoing. and the achieving because they have that resilience, that earthy, oh, very grounded and can do anything really. So having a Capricorn moon, what is achievable now? I think that's really a space to probably reflect into for all of us when we come back to the Capricorn time in that

month. Yeah. So I'm going to put that on to work with because I haven't consciously worked a lot with the Capricorn moon. You can speak better to that, I'm sure. Is she wise? I was think of Capricorn as being that very wise, mature at any age from a baby. You just have that feeling that, wow. I think the baby pictures, sorry, Pearl, not that she ever listens to my podcast, but her baby pictures have this look of, you can't impress me.

She, friends would come and make baby faces like. a lot of times like to make babies laugh or to giggle or whatever and her would just like stare at them yeah immovable yeah what do you you're making a fool of yourself what are you doing and she is very playful and goofy clearly like i said that mandala of the whole chart has all different parts of us that come up to the surface and express themselves she's an actor and is amazing on stage and lights up and just has this sense of she's a Scorpio son and started learning more about psychology and that kind of depth of the mind and what makes people act the way they are just all the kinds of like the subconscious things all of that is

there but within that there's that wisdom and I think the wisdom the wise yeah knowledgeable yeah that a percept perceptive of others and learning about the that the inner self I'm sure reliable. I always think about that earthy Capricorn is they'll show up and they're reliable, right? And just touching in as how much am I overgiving to others and how can I show up for myself with the Capricorn moon and coming back to you. Yeah. And not overdoing for the external. Yeah. But I knew I told her this is the senior year in high school and I would think you need to get a job. You need to see what it's like to work and earn money. And I think you're going to be really happy when you start making your own money and you have that sense of, there's a sense of independence.

And I think that's what I was trying to get at the beginning of not that it's walled off, but there's a sense of like self-containment of. Definitely. Self-reliable. Yeah. I can do this myself. I'm going to climb this mountain and maybe you can come with me, but I'm going to. Yeah, I've got the stamina mom. I can do that.

I think that's a great example. actually, yeah. And then the achievement and the commitment and there's more structure, right? Yeah. Here's the job. And I think that's a harder, I think for me personally having that and being an entrepreneur of whatever the tasks are, it's not the step by step. Here's the plan in the program to show up to work and feel like, oh, I've done a good job. But to have that be in more of a creative space in a creative realm where those markers aren't as clear. I think sometimes for Earth, it can help to have very, like, more clear guidelines. Absolutely. Yeah, something to work towards. Yeah. Yeah. And so we can make those for ourselves. So maybe that's part of the Capricorn Moon is

really having that sense of defining for yourself what it is to feel like you've done. a good job. You're taking care of yourself and that it's not unachievable, that it's within Yeah, it's doable, right? M doable. Yeah, a couple of steps. Yeah, yeah. So from our earth, then, the dust and the wind kicks up into the air. Wush! Yes, and we're chit-chatting here.

You can say I've got a fair bit in Gemini as well. Yeah, the connections, right? the sociability, yeah, the conversations. I always think about that, the connection and the mind for learning the curiosity is the element of air, the movement. Yeah. And having that as a moon sign, so we have Gemini, the first air sign that is that mutable. So it's air to the max.

And then from Gemini and then Libra is the cardinal air that initiating. and then Aquarius is the fixed air. And so different flavors of air and yet, right, that similar quality of desire to connect, desire for to be in relationship. Wow. And looking at really what is it that you want to be in relationship with. And I think of Gemini like pollination,

plants and pollination of this exchange of ideas, but with pollen of this information that then creates something through that whole exchange. Yeah, and I often think about the juggler, right, they're this and that. They're very adaptable with doing many things, actually, right? And choosing, why do we have to choose, right? Let's do this and that. Both and, I know, which can get overwhelming. So with the Gemini, that sense of when there's disorientation of, is it to,

too much or do you need more stimulation? I think that's for all the signs. And like you said, that kind of pulse that each lunar cycle may be different. And so for a Gemini of maybe they're understimulated and they actually need to check out 10 books and read all of them at the same time. And that might be comforting. Or the conversations or the social networking or yeah, meetup groups or whatever that is. Yeah, they're able to do or yearn for more time. Yeah, in that knowledge or conversation or learning or stimulation. Yeah, of the mind, isn't it? I always think, yeah, more the mental thinking, what ignites that.

But then there might be months that you go, whoa, that is way too much, yeah, for me. So checking in with yourself. But I always think the Gemini times, I'm aware of that. I do know a lot of people with Gemini moons. And I always find them fascinating. It tends to move quite fast for me quickly, yes, but I'm always inspired and yearn for that a little bit more. It does light me up. Yeah, the movement for the Tauracy, it's very good, it's a good balance, but sometimes it feel too much. For the earth and water, like you said, the downward and inward energy. And so then the fire and the air is more of that yon, that upward and outward.

So that balance right of somebody for me too having so much earth, I respond to that kind of that stimulation of, oh, let's check this out. Let's go explore this. And to have somebody who just naturally that's the more of their constitution can help for earth to get out of the rut to not be just like in the mud or that feel like that heaviness or the world on my shoulders or whatever it might be. And air lightens things up. And so yeah, there's something really refreshing with all, you know, with all of the air and with Gemini, that curiosity that's so my experience has been, that it's so youthful. So it's not age chronological, but it defies that by just being continually being curious. Yeah, curious. I think it's like a wind gust coming in

and then going again. And you often feel, whoa, it's shaken something up. Yeah. Yeah. And Gemini, the mutability, how it moves quite different to Libra. Yeah. It wants to have more of that, the harmony and the balance. And that's dynamic, right? It's not, again, not static, but there's a little more of a settled in nature of creating harmony and balance with the air, of really being thoughtful of the words that are used and how the impact that those have on others and a kind of a creating of beauty through

relationship. Yes. Yes, I always think about that, the space, the air and around and how it looks, right, and how it feels to me and you. Yeah, that kind of the relationship between, I love it here. How about you? Yeah, and the aesthetic outside, the space and air around us. Libra, I always think about interior designing all people.

Yeah, and even how they look themselves, the Libra moons, yeah, quite put together. for themselves, but then, oh, yeah, for others as well. Relationship, isn't it? I think in Hawaiian it's Pono, the Libra Moon, us all of us. How are we in relationship with me and others? Yeah, and how I look and feel and do and act and be. Yeah. And that part of, and I'm wondering for anyone with a Libra Moon

that might have that experience of pulsing between losing themselves in relationship of where did I go? I just see myself as this unit with another person or within relationship to be able to come back to a self or have that a centeredness. And again, that balancing that fulcrum of accessing that centeredness to be in relation, to bring a wholeness into relationship. And whatever that might be, whether it's a breath practice, I always think of alternate nostril breathing.

Oh, yes. Good one. With Libra especially because you're clearing the channels, the solar and the lunar channels and finding that harmony. So that would, I would be curious for somebody with a Libra moon if that might be something in whatever form to rebalance to then come out and to be in relationship without that feeling of that loss of self. Yeah, I love that.

It's filling on cup, isn't it? I was thinking about oxygen mask. I know in boundaries, healthy boundaries with the Libra. Yeah, can over give, balancing that air. Yeah, I love that alternate. Yeah, the Nardi Shodana. It's a good one. Yeah.

And maybe even when expressing affection in through words of writing a thank you card, that makes me feel of that Libra and the choice of words and the expression of gratitude for a relationship or for something. Yeah, gosh. I know I'm wondering what my neighbor is and she bought some flowers for herself and then gave half to me. I thought, oh, that just came to mind recently because they look beautiful. I can see them on my altar.

I thought that was so nice of her to do that. The thoughtfulness, I don't know. It's interesting. Yeah, I'm trying to recall people with Libra moons. Maybe people can share on your substack. We'll see. Be fun. And see what feels like that natural expression that also fills your cup, that when you're doing your moon,

You're like, oh, this is how I am in the world. And like your neighbor would be curious to know of that impact we have on others when it comes from the moon. The moon space is often that space of care, really of care. Yeah, deep nurturing, isn't it? And yeah, tending to south and the other. Yeah. And Libra's that tipping point when it's the signs that starting with Aries, when you look across from Aries to see Libra halfway. through the year, six signs apart, that that really, that focus shifts even more towards

more of communal life. Yeah. Yeah. Totally the other part of the mandala, isn't it? Yeah. The circle. Yeah. It's right across.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Libra moons will have to comment. Yes. Yeah. We'd love to hear. We would. Query.

Oh, my goodness. So different. An air sign that's so, yeah, a very, I would be curious, I'm trying to think if I know any Aquarius moons. I do actually. Yeah, I Kaika and my sister-in-law and, well, Lily's Aquarius son, but they have their own vibe, a little bit quirky, because they just do their, yeah, they're quite unique. I think if they're expressing their own moon.

Yeah, the Aquarius moons and very visionary and ahead of me. I'm like inspired by them because I would never think in that way. A little bit abstract because I go, really? Like a way, what is that but makes me think beyond the futuristic air? So inspiring. And also the downloads. I mean, they're so my Aquarius moon people say, And then they're not afraid to say it.

And I think that's so inspiring. Yeah. But I never fail to amaze me in what they're doing next in some ways. Like 10 steps ahead. And I have my descendant is Aquarius. So that relationship, I was in a relationship with someone with Aquarius son for a very long time. And that's where I learned that vibe, that those airways that are like, nobody's going to get me anyway, so why not?

Because that feeling of being so, whether it's future forward or just ahead of the curve or just in a space where it's like, like the rules don't really apply because it's outside of this box of whatever paradigm there is. Yeah, time and space doesn't really exist. to exist, right, to exist outside of that paradigm completely and then report back, like you said, of reporting back from that place. It's like mind-blown. Mad scientists and breaks the paradigms, you're right, very revolutionary in their thinking and ways of being. And yeah, the uniqueness, I think, and actually the humanitarian side.

Lily has the sun in Aquarius, but I always remember driving to school. and dropping her at the bus stop and then the homeless people. And she'd always say, Mum, when you've dropped me, go back and buy them some food. And always looking for the underdog or supporting those that, yeah, maybe just not in such a privileged place. Yeah. So I always see with that air element of Aquarius,

it shows up in a very unique, but the humanitarian aspect. I'm wondering in the moon part of the, I'm going to, again, Capricorn and Aquarius moves. I'm going to pay attention to April. Yeah. And both Saturn ruled in very different traditionally. But I feel like for me and my experience, like signs evolve. And Aquarius is the expression of Aquarius and how that's evolving even within our lifetime of what's possible beyond these paradigms of Patriots.

of patriarchy, beyond the paradigms, like you said, when you're looking at who's left out, why are they not being cared for? And that's not okay, like that sense of justice and rightness of another way of right relationship in the structures that. The collective kind of, what are we moving towards? Yeah, social tribe. And we've all got living with Pluto here for 20 years, aren't we? So it's going to be interesting.

how we connect with the aquarium energy on the aquarium moon. Yeah, and that's the little microdose. That's the lunar cycle gives us that little taste every single cycle to tap into that lunar expression of the sign that other planets could be in or that it's just this touch point. We still have water. Oh, my goodness. The water signs.

So from that air, the moisture, the condensation that then can fall as rain. becomes our water signs that the first one. So we have the order of the Ares, Taurus, Gemini, fire, earth, air, and then cancer is the water sign. That's cancer is the cardinal. Yeah. Scorpio is the fixed. You're doing well, yes.

And Pisces. The mutable, right? The final sign of the zodiac. Yeah. kind of the ocean that all that is. I always think different bodies of water, right? Yeah, yeah, and the cancer. Yeah, I know a lot of cancer moons, gosh,

and that nurture all water signs, highly intuitive, nurturing, the empathy, and how the feelings and emotions flow. Yeah, and I wonder for that connection with the moon, I don't have a lot of water, like planets in water, signs that to feel that movement of the moon, and I'm curious again for anyone who has more water or a water moon sign, to express that sense of is the moon affecting you even more because of

that pull on the tides, because of that connection to the watery nature. I have a friend when there was a lot going on in Pisces. And my role often is with that earth of here's a where the shore is. You're in the ocean and the sea and it's like the waves are picking up and that can be disorienting to come to earth to find the shore, to put your feet down and be like, okay, those moments of like the disorientation. Yeah, and they overwhelm, right? It's, yes, I have a Scorpio moon, yeah. The cancer moon people, innately, gosh, nurture and I always know when I go to, yeah, their homes or meet them, but they think of everything.

They're naturally mothering and nurturing. Yeah, and you feel very safe and good. Just it feels really great to be around. So how can we do that for self? How can we reconnect and come back? Yeah, rather than the overgiving to others. How can we give? And I always think about the crab, the archetype,

that, you know, the outer shell and they seem emotionally very together, but inwardly, how can we come back to tend to what our own needs are? Yeah, nurturing like we would a child or a baby. How can we do that for ourselves with the Cancer Moon? So important, especially when there's, is everybody else fed, the snacks are all there, the tea on, the cooking, right? That that, that can be nourishing to nourish others. And so doing that, the moon, it might be making, setting up a meal train for somebody who is recovering from a surgery and making sure that they're fed, right? That is this way of feeding oneself is through that giving. But then that inner world and that feeling of, I don't know for me sometimes it's,

it's okay to cry. Like you don't have to hold it all together. Like the shell, you can let some of that out and let that flow and not have that, maybe that fear of being needy. Yeah. To be held in a kind of a release, especially when there is like patterns of overgiving. Yeah, the tending to others, isn't it? Or feeling about the others' needs. What about our own? Yeah, the cancer.

And I'm sure, yeah, that's the moon sign, isn't it? The dream space as well, paying attention to all the feelings and emotions. over the thinking and the stability other the other elements. I know being observant in these cancer moon phases of the flow. I love that, the crying, the emotions, the expressing. Yeah. Yeah. I think too of taking an Epson salt bath, of being contained in a space in salt water,

that primordial sea space. Love that. Yeah. Releasing through water. And yeah, I'm this year or this past year, 2025, I just entered my progressed moon entered into cancer. So I'm in that, that flavor, that chapter of life having this cancer overtone, which is already so many things that have connected with that.

Side note on my website, I have, I don't even think I have the blog linked on the tab, but I have things that I've written over the years that can be searched. But since I started the substack, I'm like, just aware. I'm like, I don't want to overwhelm everyone. Look at this or here's this and this. So it's there in a hidden way. The most searched, like when Google gives me the insights into the website of what's ranking, blah, blah, blah. I have an article about the progressed moon.

And that is like the number one thing that people are finding my website through is find out your progressed moon. So if anyone wants to, I'll put a link to the progressed moon. That's like next level once you've established your natal moon. That over our lifetime progresses into all of, we go through all of the other moons for about two and a half years. Instead of two and a half days being a moon sign, it's this symbolic progression of two and a half year chapters of life. And it's uncanny. Emma, I don't know if the total sign up, it's uncanny. how spot on the themes are.

I love it. You and I are opposite. I began last November a Capricorn progress moon phase. So you and I are my son. My progressed son is actually in cancer. But yeah, it's like putting, I feel, I think going to the movie theater and having those 3D glasses, the progress moon gives us this extra like dimension of how we can nurture for two and

half years. I know it's pretty amazing, isn't it? I would think of it as like my highest. self, how can I take care of that soul level moon? For two and a half years, I get an opportunity to really expand my moon to the next level. And to me, I think, what would my soul desire? And so for me, I was think, yeah, unenvolve and progresses us, literally as the name suggests. But yeah, we'll go to April's. Yeah, I'm going to take a look too. It's fascinating. I know we've sidetracked a bit, but it's another.

way of deepening your connection with the moon. Yeah, it's like another octave that in this sharing of doing your moon and this practice, there's places to go with this. And I just, in the progressed moon, it is a fractal nature of two things existing at the same time and expanding, like you said, progressing the self and the, that on the soul level. Yeah, it's uncanny. tracking when my progress moon went into Ares. And that's when I started my kundalini yoga teacher

training and was doing breath of fire. Like no business. And I had all these face rashes break out, like this heat and like it was just. And then that moved on. Once it progressed, it just two and half years. And then things shifted. So cancer moon, Scorpio moon, which I've talked a little bit about. yeah, the depth. I always think about diving deep in conversations, not the surface level. I can do all that. But let's go deep with our feelings and emotions

and understand that. Yeah, the psychology. And then let's transform it. The phoenix, let's not stay in the muddy swamp. Let's get out of that, the sludge and emerge to the surface. And, yeah, but there's a deep, passionate, transformative energy with Scorpio. Yeah.

That kind of mystery. And I wonder too for the Scorpio moon of the mysteries within the self of that self-discovery, like how to get into access those that may be through like trance or maybe through modalities to go in, whether it's the subconscious or the dream space, but that that depth, there's no bottom. Correct. And there's a little bit of. secrecy as well. I can speak for myself with the Scorpio Moon. But I actually, I'm aware

acupuncture works very well for me in my Scorpio Moon. So the modalities, yeah, because it kind of, I feel like a toilet plunger. That's how I visualise it. Releasing things that maybe I can't release myself or don't want to, I don't feel comfortable maybe going there. I'm aware it's there. I think there's the shadowy kind of murky. Yeah, it can bring up a lot. Can't it? stir up that sludgy in Scorpio times. Yeah, but the depth and the mystery and the intrigue and, yeah, I have to avoid myself in going should have, could have, would have. There's that reflective, yeah, part of my depth, but the psychology.

But I'm, yeah, the time I'm wondering with other people, Scorpio moons, everybody's going to have a unique expression, aren't they? Yeah. I found visual journaling. I don't often want to talk about it. I might not be able to express it, but I'm feeling it. So for me, I found the visual, a creative collaging or watercolors, a medium that can help move it. Because I don't often want to talk about it yet.

So for people in the Scorpio moon times, yeah, your emotions may run deep. It might bring up things from the past or, yeah, a little trigger. There's huge depth to it. And maybe what it sounds like you're saying too is sometimes there isn't even words to talk about it. Like it's not in a language form that there's, the power has some other form that doesn't always fit into the boxes of words. Correct. And I'm sure all the watery, yeah, because it's water. But I always come back to how does it want to flow with me and around me and in me? any water moon actually.

Yeah. And allowing the not knowing the liminal spaces. Sometimes we don't know what we're feeling, but just allowing it to be what it is. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a bit more contained, I think, the depth. It's like a stone throwing into a deep pond.

And then you've got Pisces. Whoa, the ocean, everything that is. Yeah. Yeah, that the expansiveness and that that needs sometimes for containment within water when it feels like there's no shore at all, that holding. And I, for my youngest, when they would come home from preschool, what I started noticing is they were picking up on everybody else's emotions, right? Because there was no shell. Yeah, what's mine? Yes, out there.

Yes. It's in the water and it's sponge. And so they would just pick up on all of these other things from other kids. And so I would actually, this is 10 plus years ago, squeeze their body, squeeze out like this is not your feeling. And again, we would do Epsons salt baths, the squeezing, working with different plants and smells and other sensory. Love that. Having sensory experiences, going in the hammock and just cocooning and like rocking. I feel like this could be for anybody.

But these were things that just really in a very sensitive moon, I feel like Pisces. It is. Yeah. Extra sensitive, both in receptive and picking up on what's in the environment. And you think about the musicality, the reflective, the music, right? I love the vibrational aspect of Pisces that feels different to the environment. others but I yeah and almost a little bit melancholy of because I've got very reflective in a Pisces I have tracked all most of the other water moons yeah but the Pisces I love it again I have

love oh and an overwhelm with it because it's vast isn't it yeah the unified field of everything that is but I often find my dreams are wild in Pisces and my sensory vibe that I can just feel others much more. It's deepened within me. Yeah, it amps up my water moon and Scorpio a lot. And I know we've had, and we still have, right, the nodes of the moon, the eclipses in this Pisces, Virgo. So all of us, for the last 18 months, I've been living in this heightened aspect of the Pisces and the Virgo. And they're both the mutable nature of that shifting, that shape-shifting nature. And when I think of the support that Virgo offers is that kind of discernment of what is mine, what is mine, what is yours?

And maybe, yes, there's this universal interconnectedness. And also we have this skin that forms this barrier, even though it's very porous. And so just feeling into how porous you are and what for doing your moon. as a Pisces, what that calls for. Yeah, the big kind of visions and dreams for self, like what's possible. Yeah, the no limits, the no boundaries. Yeah, the dreaming into anything's possible. And it is, and so it shall be.

Yeah, I think that's a really good point, April, for thinking beginner's mind, that when we look at all the elements and all the signs, within those, that the opposite on this natural wheel helps us come back to that center. So like the Pisces moon, the opposite is Virgo. And I'm going to look at that a little bit more in the moon connections, how one feels within me and supports me and nurtures me to the other. Yeah, that integration of the two are calling. on the other, for Virgo, when things just get too routine or too mundane or two, whatever that

might be, Pisces is, well, just enter this dream space and this symbolic space and swim over here and just have, bring a fluidity to the practicality of the earth and that kind of precision of Pisces like blurs the light. Virgo has this like very like precise. every pixel in the right place, OMG. And Pice's like, why don't we just blur the line, like a little like chalk or chalk pastel, like just blurt out a little bit. And really it is dissolving. And I feel like now that we've made our way through this whole wheel and this whole mandala,

Pisces just surrenders and dissolves it all back into that source. I think about the sandcastle making, right, the Virgo on the beach, making this amazing sandcastle. And then the wave comes in, whoosh, and it's all gone. But then the possibility of recreating another sandcastle. Yeah, the ebb and flow, I know. Yeah, yeah, we've circled. It's a lot, but hopefully it's given a fun perspective on what's possible to connect, yeah, within ourselves.

And it's vital medicine and just a different way of living in right relationship with all of nature and the cycles of time. And, yeah, thank you for offering the work that you do. It's so needed and so beautiful. Yeah. And gosh, imagine if we got taught this in kindergarten and elementary school. Yeah. It's so. Yeah.

It's so I'm, this has been so fun to go on this journey with you in this exploration. And it reminds me of the depth. It reminds me of this isn't just talking about astrological signs. This is a relationship, an elemental. relationship and a deep connection into that inner space and also reaching outward into our into the world that we occupy and create within and I just I love all of the insight that you bring. It's it for me it's really refreshing and fun and I've just enjoyed this conversation so much. Me too. We could chat and chat. Yeah. Gosh, but it's been yeah, beautiful and I know we're on a

precipice, aren't we, of a beautiful full moon, totally eclipse, which I think we'll see here in Hawaii, because it's early hours of the morning, if I can stay at past midnight. That's going to be a powerful one, isn't it? The eclipse moons offer a whole new level. Yeah. I don't know whether you want to go there or not in this conversation. I think that point of feeling into the self-study around. what comes up because eclipses are spoken of such intensity and there's such mystery and sometimes

because there's shadows involved that piece of it can yeah the unseen unexpected wow things come into our conscious awareness through the unconscious that the moon we might not expect yeah the big illumination isn't there yeah things definitely get brought up and brought in Yeah. In unexpected ways, I don't buy into kind of the shock and the fear at all. I think they're amazing natural phenomenons that really realign. We think about what's happening and the purpose of why they occur. I just, I think of it as an opportunity to reset an up level, that part of ourselves in relationship to what's happening in the sky. That point. that moon is obscured for, and I think it's about an hour or so.

It's quite a long. So, wow, the opportunity within all of us. And it's a Virgo, isn't it, a Virgo full moon? Yeah, I think it's, what is it, 12, yeah, 12 degrees, total on an eclipse. So that, like you said, that, like, really clicking into this alignment for the conditions. And yes, the conditions happen every six months for eclipses in the eclipse season. But each configuration has this, there's this unique configuration. Yeah, and unique flavor, isn't it, and taste and vibe?

Yes, and it's through the Virgo lens. So maybe I might be rearranging some of the house. We will see on my space. Guide, I think in sharing this theme of doing your moon, tending to the moon, and having some of these practices that we could call self-care, I don't know, that term is so tired. But I think when we know ourselves and we know the things that we go to, to have that kind of basket of remedies or practices,

to have that when an eclipse comes up, to just have an extra bit of awareness towards buffering a little more of that. And often in hindsight, we can see the things possibly more clearly. But I'm just, yeah, living through it. and I've just called a practitioner. I haven't seen for a year. And I'm like, I need a little more support in this area and just knowing that having that in the wing,

the things that might be in the wings to call forth other people in your life or practitioners or practices, whatever that might be. Yeah. I love that. It's looking at what's possible, isn't it, for you to, I think, deepen, be okay, deepening more of who you are. That's how I've, yes, I agree with the kind of self-care, but it's okay to actually tend to self in a deeper way so that we can show up more for

ourselves and others in our life. Just be a greater version of who we really are. Yeah, there's an honor. It feels like there's this honoring of this, yeah, the vessel that our spirit gets to animate in this finite existence to go. And travel with and connect with. And yeah, it's amazing. to me. So that Virgo-Pother carry, all of us, yeah, this eclipse time. Yeah. So we're not going to do

the perfectionism and we're not going to get self-critical. We're not going to get into the over-organizing and things being just, but, yeah, the possibility of discerning a little bit. Sorting. I always think about that, isn't it? Sorting and reorganizing and, yeah, it's a really great reset. Whether that is within our health because I often do think about the health of my digestive, emotional, stomachy, yeah, physically, emotionally, spiritually. Yeah. And as you were speaking, I was thinking, is that rearranging coming from a place of control and trying to exert control over something that maybe is in a moment needs to be messy

and because eclipses are a bit unsettling, the most. moon's not supposed to disappear and turn red. And that's, that can be unsettling. And the virtues of unsettling shifts what might have taken a form and solidified in a way that needs to be broken up, that needs to be shaken up, shifted. Yeah, of course, correct, isn't it? We might get so set on one way and that this is, feels great for me. And yeah.

And then the eclipse comes along and, oh, surprise, we're just going to course correct a little bit. And I always think there's change for the high as good. I always like to see the cup are full. We might change as tricky, isn't it? And the chaos and the uncertainty that it brings. And you're right, when the moon isn't meant to disappear and go red. That's weird. I know in ancient times they were doomed, weren't they? And don't do that. And I just view them as magical opportunities for up-leveling, yeah, and embracing the unknown. Yeah, so when we connect everything's energy.

So where we put our energy in attention, yeah, there's an invitation, isn't that, just to go, whoa, we've got a Virgo total eclipse. How amazing is that to reset and reorganize and see what comes up? Tuesday, isn't it, time? Yeah, early Monday. Because there be hours of Monday. Yes. Yeah.

Through the third. And I think on the East Coast, the eclipse will be happening right at sunrise. Correct. There's not too many places you'll see it that far. No. This part of me, I do have some Sagittarius in my chart. This part of me is like, I could get on a plane and go watch the eclipse set as the sunrises, like that desire to really see it.

And so if you aren't in a space to see it, I'm like, it could be storming and raining and not inevitability, but to feel it inward. And I feel like that's what a lot of this work that shares is having that inner connection and that knowing and that sense and that development of an intuitive knowing and a felt sense to have your experience that's true for you, again, whether or not you can see the moon necessarily like visually, but to tune in and have a space that may be a meditative space. but to see what it is that's needed where you're pulsing with that inward and outward pulse for connecting with this eclipse. It is very, I feel like much of what you said eclipses are can be very healing.

There can be some disruption that comes through, but often through that disruption, there's something that wants to change. Yeah, definitely. And we're closing out, aren't we, a cycle as well. It's going to be the last Virgo. totally eclipse for a while. Yeah. So I always think that's a completion. It's kind of a completion and a starting again feeling.

Yeah. And things come into full vision, right? After the eclipse, wow, we've got the full moon illuminating what we need to see. Yeah, and I'm just thinking maybe you can just visualize you're on the East Coast watching sunrise, right? Yeah, just put yourself there. You're amazing artists. I'm just seeing you draw that sunset with the eclipse.

Yeah, and your paints. Yeah, it's cool. Very, yeah. Imagining, but thank you, April. Such a pleasure, Emma. Thank you for this gift of your time and your voice and your insight and this exploration. I do hope that it really touches people on this level of knowing that for each of us to access and tune in, that transmission comes through in a way that has healing, that there's healing and deeper connection available.

Yeah, me too. It's always a pleasure to connect and talk. And yeah, thank you. Thank you for doing the work you're doing and the podcast and all the things. It's a lot and a great service to the world. So thank you so much. Thank you, Emma. And that's a wrap. Check out the show notes if you want the link to find your moon sign and phase. Also, I mentioned the progressed moon. There's an article on my website that shows you how to find that. there's also the lunar zodiac series that goes into each of the moon signs as well. So if you'd like to connect with Emma, please do you can find her online at her website, www.machupumitchell.com. That's E-M-M-M-A-K-U-M-I-T-H-E-L-L dot com, as well as on substack. Substack.com at Emma C-P-P-M-M-M-H-M-M-H-M-M-H-M-M-L. all one word. All right. Until next time. Thanks again for listening to today's episode. Between the Moon is a listener supported podcast. If you haven't already, please consider subscribing

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