BFFs with Dave Portnoy, Josh Richards, and Brianna Chickenfry - SIENNA MAE GOMEZ ON JACK WRIGHT ALLEGATIONS — BFFs EP. 71

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

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Hey BFF listeners, you can find us every Wednesday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. What's up boys and girls, welcome to the BFF's YouTube channel. Make sure you guys tap the bell, subscribe, like the video, and comment down below. BFF headlines, later in the show, big interview, Sienna May, obviously. She has been in a whole world of controversy i believe this is her first public appearance so um we become the oprah of bffs hopefully goes better than last time um we're getting some good like uh first appearance people

you know what i mean like yes star we got jeffree star's first appearance like we got a i think we keep that up okay so p so Pete and Kanye updates. This has been going on, but Pete Davidson is back on Instagram, and Kanye West followed him instantly. Pete did not follow back, but followed two people, Kim Kardashian and actor Sebastian Stan. I don't know who that is. I don't either.

Can we get Pete on the show, or maybe just fucking Kanye? I feel like Kanye would do anything. I think he would too. I think we got to reach out to Kanye, man. I feel like we've talked about these two for the past two months. I think we have a better shot at Pete Davidson. No? That's where my head went.

That's why I said Pete's name first. But I also think Kanye is pretty like, yo, this guy, he's going to do things that are like gonna get news and him coming on here would get fucking news hey uh if we can get it let's let's aim for the moon uh so they're they're still going back and then i saw this early i don't even understand what this is about kanye west back and forth with soldier boy so um kanye tweeted to soldier boy this ye don't bring up me and my wife no more and soldier boy replied or what you lame as fuck i speak on what i want to go get your bitch back wow that was actually a text chain eh hey dave that was a text chain between them yeah text chain what i say yeah yeah he said twitter oh i always screw that up i don't know a text chain and then

i guess he goes right connie just switches back to i need to send you this this stem player shows him a video of the 200 stem player he's selling his album on guys it's yeah it goes not ye yeah you guys keep saying ye but it's fine well i said ye because dave was saying ye i said ye because dave said ye and it was fucked in my head everybody knew what i was saying nobody's like who's he talking about you know yeah everyone did get it all right um i'm siding with you this time dave uh but anyways he was like you're the first to break youtube need that dawn to two verse and then soldier boy who by the way i hate soldier boy uh soldier boy responds listen me and yay yay which one yay is all good kanye just a little friendly jokes and fun don't think i'm against him we spoke we're gonna figure it out we both two smart individuals

chasing our dreams both act a little crazy sometimes we know what we're doing it's all love never get confused so who posted all these? Soulja Boy? Soulja Boy did, yeah. I think he was trying to get a little relevant. I mean, it's Soulja Boy. And he's just trying to show what? That Kanye is nuts?

Kanye, yeah, I guess. And that Kanye is asking him to give him a verse again, because on the first Donda, he sent him a verse, and then Kanye said he would put it on, Took it off. He didn't put it on. Yeah, he took it off because he said it was trash. Damn. By the way, the reason I don't like Soulja Boy is he was supposed to do a pizza review with me. This man sat in his, like, truck for an hour,

and I was, like, an inch away from him. I don't know what drugs he was doing what's what's happening right here i'm showing oh i didn't even know i forgot he eventually even fucking came out he did it though so he was just like no he didn't right oh wait we edited it out oh you did it without him yeah yeah yeah he he i it says soldier boy barststool Pizza Review. He never came out. He was sitting in his truck an inch away from me and just never came out. Was he nervous? Maybe he was nervous.

Never came out. So what were you? Were you just like, so we have Soulja Boy sitting in his fucking truck? I don't remember what I said. This is from 2019. Let me play it from the beginning. Did you ever like say? We're waiting. He's in the Let me play it from the beginning. Did you ever, like, say... We're waiting. He's in the car.

Getting high in the car. We're waiting in there with the slices. Then they took the slices back. Soldier boy came in. He's like, you're making me wait. I'm like, well, we're waiting for you for 20 minutes. And they took the slices back. And then he left again.

So he's promoting marriage. Marriage boot camp. See, now we've got 3,000 because this guy wants it on a slice because it's brand new. So he wants a real review. The Soulja Boy's getting high in the car. I was going to do that. I've been singing it myself. Crank that Soulja Boy.

Oh, you Superman. I was going to do it with him. He may come at some point. It is the most, like, rap thing we at some point. This is the most rap thing we've ever had. It just never came out. Well, he was in there for like half an hour and

didn't come out. I'm just sitting there with a thumb up my ass. And then he comes in and the pizza guy obviously doesn't want cold slices. He's like, alright, you're going to have to wait 10 minutes for warm slices. Soldier Boy's like, I'm not waiting. He's like, dude, we've been waiting for you half an hour. Went back in the truck, never came back out.

Fucking Soldier Boy. So that's why I hate Soldier Boy. Fair. First rapper to ever skip out on a pizza review. They're crazy. French Montana, I learned. French Montana wouldn't come out of his truck either. I just walked the fuck into his truck.

I just opened the door and walked in with all his crew. I'm like, dude, if you're not coming out, I'm coming in. I'm not fucking waiting here. That is actually awesome. What happened? He did the review sitting down the truck. That one's out there somewhere, too. That's amazing.

And I think Kodak Black was offered to me for a review this weekend. And they're like, just a heads up. and he did a video with caleb sunday conversation he did get shot um i was there i almost got shot they're like but he was like six hours late to caleb's video it's like fuck no i'm not waiting six hours that was the best sunday conversation in a while hilarious that was hilarious um anyways back to kanye he's just beefing with everybody. Look how long his beef list is. Yeah, they released a list. It's like Taylor Swift, Nike, just the entire corporation. Kim K, his cousin.

Wiz Khalifa, Jay-Z, Kid Cudi, Billie Eilish, Peppa the Pig, Pete Davidson, Drake, Ray J, Justin Timberlake, Jimmy Kimmel, South Park, Dead Mile 5, or whatever the fuck that is, Beyonce, Bruno Mars, J. Cole, Travis Scott, Harriet Tubman, Louis Vuitton, CEO of Zappos, Evel Knievel, Dennis Haysbert, Amber Rose, MTV, Beck, George Bush Jr., ADL, TMZ, American Music Awards, 50 Cent, Kris Jenner. Let me get a replay of Harriet Toothan. I don't see Lady Gaga up there.

No, she's not. Remember when he was like, what was that one clip where he was like, tell me what she knows about fucking cameras or some shit like that. Tell me what she knows about fucking Polaroids. Two things. You don't know who Deadmau5 is, Josh? No, I don't know who Deadmau.

Mouse? It's Deadmau. It's Mau. know who dead mouth mouse. It's dead. Mao. That's Mao. I have no idea. It's dead. Mao five. He wears the mat.

He was a huge DJ. I can't believe it. How could it be dead mouse five? If there's a dead mouse to be the ass. Thank you. Kareem's just silly. I nailed it. Dead mouth five.

He was a huge DJ. Where's the, he was like the first guy to wear like the he was like marshmallow before marshmallow with the mouse thing um maybe it is mouse uh what's wrong with harriet tubman or two minutes you said harriet tubman what's what's the name tubman yes second i'm not looking at that if i was taylor why are you doing that to me brianna if i taylor swift i would be like celebratory victory videos every time. And by the way, nobody was on Taylor Swift's side more than me when they got in a beef.

She's been so vindicated. I like Kanye sucks and fucking Kardashian sucks. And I said it when it happened. Wow. It's true. If somebody did to me, if people don't't remember they edited up a fucking phone call of hers people forget about that yeah that was really all fucking together and recorded without her knowing too totally and like it's like it's like illegal right yeah yeah depending on the state

that was a crazy move crazy crazy um and it was right was right when they asked if she could use the verse in the song. And she was like, basically, no. And they're like, we asked permission. She said, yes. They had all the spliced video. Fuck that. Someone did that to me. I go nuts.

Right. Now, is Kanye actually the smartest guy of all time? Because he's in this controversy and he is releasing Dawn to Two on his own stem player, which costs $200 because only artists see 12% of the money from streaming services. So who knows? I'm very curious to see how this goes. People who love Kanye are fucking insane, by the way. Yeah, yeah.

I thought I saw already 100 hundred thousand of them sold yeah he said that the you would have to equal 500 million streams on like the opening weekend to already rival what he sold and it hasn't even came out yeah yeah i believe he sold a hundred thousand which is nuts and like even finished the first the first weekend of pre-order or something like that was a hundred thousand sold units nuts which is 20 mil right so love him or hate him he can't dispute he's one of the great businessmen of all time with everything he does his fashion music is everything um and he called kanye called jack harlow top five rapper right now uh he's for sure top five hottest rappers you're all over this early breed but he's everything people fucking love him he's jack harlow number number probably number two all right i mean i don't know i don't know if he's a top

five rapper right now actually right now though like who else is hot right now um jack harlow's popping off yeah i guess because i guess like if you're talking about like trendon and shit i get what you're saying yeah yeah yeah this, yeah, yeah. This next part, Jean-Yaz, Yaz, what? Jean-Yaz? Act one of Kanye's Jean-Yaz documentary aired on Netflix showing Kanye's rise to fame

and was number one all week. People on Twitter went wild after seeing a scene of Kanye barging into Rockefeller Records and playing his music while everyone acted like he wasn't there to one of his most popular songs

of all time. Do we have the clip of this? I don't know what this is about. It was pretty nuts. This was wild. Did you watch it, Josh, the documentary? I've just seen the clip. I had them download to watch, but I fell asleep on my plane ride this weekend.

This is kind of sick Yeah It's cool how he has this shit documented. Where is he? He's in this. He's in like a Rockefeller office. Yeah, office. So I don't, what, it is cool, I guess. I don't get it, though. So essentially, if you keep watching the video,

like, people start coming in, like, talking to her about, like, other meetings and shit. And, like, they just all completely ignore him. Like, the song finishes, and, like, no one says, like, even, like, anything. They weren't, like, and shit. And like, they just all completely ignore them. Like the song finishes and like, no one says like, even like anything, they weren't like a good shit. I, I'm pretty sure what I saw on Tik TOK,

it's just like other people that are working there start coming in the room, talking to her. She like goes on the phone. It's also, it's one of his biggest songs ever. So it's like, is it pre him? Yeah.

Pre, pre. Yeah. And nobody at the time was like, Oh, this is good. But it ended up being Like one of the

Best tracks of all time Got it Well that is super cool then I didn't understand I thought it was already huge By the time you showed that No And they were just kind of like

You know somebody hits a home run Sometimes at baseball And they ignore you When you get to the Like dugout I thought it was that Yeah Yeah

Patrick Mahomes Band's fiance and brother This is not true There's a rumor When I saw this I saw fiance and brother. This is not true. There's a rumor that I saw this. I saw this and I knew it wasn't true. That would be so fucked up if it was. Gas fell for it. Really?

Well, he's too busy. He's at 11. I literally I get gas at 11 reports like almost 24 seven. So he doesn't have time to research. By the way, I could have seen it being true. Like not necessarily banned, but like stop being the center of every single story. I could see them saying like, hey, hey, chill the fuck out when you come to my games maybe. But there's no way he's going to be like, yeah, you guys are banned.

You can't ban your fiance and brother. Yeah, you can't do that. I will say this. I'm going to give him some credit. He may be the best boyfriend ever because all she does is kind of create controversy in his brother, and he's quick to fucking defend. He always rides for them.

Always. He's definitely a good guy. He's a good guy when it comes to that. I hate him just because I like the Bills, but he's definitely a good guy. He's very likable in an unlikable situation. I just because I like the bills. But, yeah, he's definitely a good guy. He's very likable in an unlikable situation. I just can't like him. Yeah.

I just can't. I can't do it. Jake Paul, Soulja Boy, Lil Yachty, and more sued. Jake Paul, Soulja Boy, Lil Yachty being sued for SafeMoon alleged crypto scam. Legal documents describe the crypto company as a pyramid scheme. This is where I get credit for being so so i went all in on safe moon i was like hey i'm buying safe moon i bought like 40 grand of it i made a video i never had any contact with anybody at safe moon they didn't give me free safe moon i openly said in my video it could be a fucking scam i just picked one i didn't know these guys promoted it but that's wild to me like wild i mean that's not that wild was it a scam

i knew that like half of these crypto things were scams no it's wild to me that it is safe moon because that's literally the one i own like i made a video people associate me with safe moon yet these guys are getting sued i didn't know they did it and yet works if you go early you build something out and sell it i guess josh it doesn't surprise me that there's crypto scams that people getting sued and yeah yeah i was gonna say it doesn't that's not a surprise i knew that was happening as soon as all these like shit coins were coming out like yeah it's surprising me that it's safe moon and these people are involved and i didn't even have any idea.

Right. Did you make money from it? Did you make money from it? No, I got fucking killed. I bought it. I read the thing. It's like all the people who invested at this time period got murdered. It's like, hand up.

That's me. By the way, it's not on here. There was a character in Billions last night based on me. Facts. Really? Like the show Billions? Yeah. Yeah. They put a character. Billions last night based on me Facts Really? Like the show Billions? Yeah Yeah

They put a character It's not me But it's based on me Is this you saying that? Or is this proven? Do we have it? Pull it up I've heard some idiots being like

It's not you Dave It's fucking me Mmm. Nice bite and mouthfeel. Good fat content and bun to patty. I like American cheese on a burger. This is cheddar. Medium juicy. Rating is a strong buy. Where's this from? Duplex, from a graduate of Corner Bistro. Nice. Well, there you have it. Sounded like he liked it. The more he likes them, the harder he throws them. Another strong buy for all my Rusikovs Raiders out there. ARPCOM, it is ready to rip! Oh yeah, that's a base of you.

Yeah, at the end that seems like the worst fucking show ever. I was getting lost. I was getting lost. Yeah, I was about to say, that show looks fucking awful. Yeah, I don't watch it. Somebody sent it to me early. They're like, just so you know, I used to watch it in the beginning.

I haven't. They're like, they wrote, some people are arguing it's not. They did hamburger reviews instead of pizza reviews. The last line was like, made it into a review. Yeah, that's what took after. I was waiting,

and then they started talking about all the bros followed. Yeah, so it's the hamburger views versus pizza, and that's the day trading, and then the bros. It's 100% supposed to be the day trading. That was like painfully slow, though. I know. Yeah, that was so bad. Jake Gyllenhaal speaks for the first time since the Taylor Swift release of Red.

What did he say? He hasn't listened to the album, and that celebrity should feel a sense of responsibility when their fans are cyberbullying in one's name. I think at some point it's important when supporters get unruly that we feel a responsibility to have them be civil and not allow for cyberbullying. So that's just taylor hall's people going after uh jake gyllenhaal i will say i've always found the irony and brie you know this people will say like oh barstool their commenters are so mean and they attack

but they don't talk about like the beehive and they don't talk about believers it's the same fucking thing if you are big and you have fans the fans will react so i'm not saying it's right but that's everything across every platform yeah exactly uh omarian was hacked i don't know who omarian is it's a singer he's he has this tweet serious question bay are you pussifically fit? Pussifically fit, yeah. He definitely was not hacked. No, he was just like, people are like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And he was like, damn, I got hacked.

This guy? Yeah. Have you seen him? Yeah. Omarion. That's all I know. Oh, is that the guy that was getting confused for the coronavirus? Omicron.

Omicron? Yeah, and made that little video. Oh, that was funny. Then, yeah yeah this definitely definitely wasn't a hack that makes me think even more that he wasn't hacked because i saw that omicron video and i'm like that guy definitely has a a different sense of humor it was funny video it was a funny video but i can i was like ah his sense of humor is different this is some shit he was what does physically fit mean i don't know i don't know i think he thought it was

going to be funny though i think it's a strong I think it's so funny what it means I yeah it's like physically it's like physically fit but pussically fit pussically fit

I like that the question is was that like an unsolicited DM because that's crazy if it's in the middle of talking with somebody I have no problem with it

I think he just tweeted it I yeah I think he was probably just like boys look at this oh that's just a tweet to the world Yeah that's a tweet to the world Yeah I don't think he was hacked at all though No definitely not

Jeff Wittek unfollows David Dobrik on Instagram Jeff unfollowed Dobrik on Instagram It still follows on other social platforms I don't Jeff and I have become like friends I think I said this last time He just gave me this haircut I just went to his house off camera platforms i i don't jeff and i have become like friends i think i said this last time he just

gave me like this haircut like i just went to his house off camera uh he's been i can't tell where he's at even i spending time with him whether he likes him or hates him no idea did i tell you guys dober came up to me in la did have we filmed since then no you didn't what did he say to you so he's gone gone through some Business Insider shit as well, and who knows what his truths are, but I was like, I'm cleaning up the mess you didn't do. It's like I'm the one who's got to fucking bring the fight to them. Oh, shit.

But he was there. It seemed nice. I bet he'd come on this pod. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people have said some shit about Business Insider, dude. I've seen so many tweets. And it's so hard because I don't know. It's no different than Sienna and Jack.

And I don't know anybody else's truth. So I'm always hesitant. I just know my truth. I don't know who's telling truth and anything else. So it's always, I just know we both hate them. Josh and the boys. Josh went to Kings game with his friends and Mads Lewis. Looking awfully close to Mads Lewis.

Yeah, we were taking a photo. She tried to ratio the BFFs account. What? I saw that you guys said, like, pod at Mads Lewis, and she said no. Laughing emoji. I'm about to pull up screenshots where she said she would come on. She did say she would before. I don't know, but that's funny to pull up screenshots where she said she would come on. She did say she would before. I don't know, but that's funny.

Yeah, I thought she said she would. That's fine. I'm sure she actually would. I feel like that was just a joke. Yeah. All right, we've got some videos to react to to end the show. Videos. Paparazzi screams at Dixie.

I saw this. I have not seen this one. What is the deal? Why are you looking at me? I have not seen this one. Yeah. Okay. She was disgusted. Josh doesn't answer. I don't know this one.

Oh, this is fucking FaceTime. Hannah makes me FaceTime him every single time we go on a college tour. Oh, I did see a FaceTime from you and I didn't fucking answer. My bad. You didn't answer. I knew he wasn't going to either. I was doing a... I think I was doing a show when you called me. Yeah.

I hold my Josh FaceTimes. I don't very like in demand. If I FaceTime you, Josh, assume i have somebody super it generally may be the little girl something but i get asked a lot i never do it it was like no no yeah no no dude i was at a uh so i was just at a speaking engagement like yesterday or the day before that sorry saturday i went into baltimore uh do you know bbyo dave b BBYO? Yeah, it was like this organization. They put together these big, it's like a big Jewish camp or something. It's like a four-day event.

People come in from all over the world. Anyway, there's like 4,000 kids there. And so many of the guys there just have their phones up being like, call Dave, call Dave, call Dave while I'm doing the show. And I'm just like, what the fuck do you want me to do? Yo, Dave at all these people all right see you man see ya i save

those in in like the you can't give out because anytime i'm out i get the either bridge or somebody uh what day port and i wear these shoes oh there's a cheap shot. Why is it? What? I think they're saying it was the high heel ones, I assume. Right? Am I missing something?

Does the modeling show? I feel like there's probably... Who posted? I assume it's the high heels. They're saying I'm short. Oh. must be oh okay but the i'm assuming the answer is no no i would not they don't look comfortable at all at all i mean those aren't shoes and by the way i'm not this let's use the term modeling show pick that pull that up again. Look at the crowd in the back. That's the most modeling I expect.

Super fancy. I don't know what kind of show this is. Anybody can get in there. Is this the new Yeezy show? It looks like they're just standing around in a circle. It takes a futuristic approach. I mean, that's ridiculous. I don't know if that's much futuristic.

Is that futuristic? It looks like wood. No, that looks like we're going backwards, and we don't know how to walk now. Who's better at hooping, MGK or me? I obviously airball video that I have bad shoulders. It's been out. And MGK actually just played like shit, but I think is okay. We can watch the video.

It was a bad highlight reel of him, though. It's a minute of him bricking yeah but i mean that's like oh not bad form actually that's bad that yeah that one was he also had miles garrett going like 110 on him like his form, like his close game. I actually think he's better than he's getting credit for because his form's not bad. So, but I mean, Miles Garrett's a monster athlete trying to like throw down two hand Tomahawk dunks on his head. That's a good point. When you're going up against him, it's like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do?

Yeah. Logan Paul will run for president? I really do think I'm going to make a run for president when I'm 35. What would be your first policy? I don't know. I have to do more research, but I think I could do some seriously good s***. Is there any chance, and honestly I think there should be, that you would consider me as a running mate?

No. Why? Because you can't run. F*** y'all, I'm running against you. I vote for Mike. I don't. The number one thing I get asked. Not number one. Top three.

Yeah, you get asked a lot. People like legitimately. And I don't know why. But they're like, please run for president. Didn't you run for mayor of Massachusetts or Boston? I ran for mayor of Boston back in the day. I tried to and I got blackballed so basically we we went through a time where the mayor of boston was not very friendly to nightlife

and like that industry and we used to throw parties and just get hurt they made it impossible to do business and like fuck it i'm gonna run for mayor um you need 20 000 signatures to get on the ballot and by signatures it has to be somebody who's registered to vote in boston um legible and we went around got them and they you can disqualify anything for any reason it can be like oh i couldn't read the signature not in the right area we paid i did a fundraiser campaign and raised like i think it was 50 grand in like a day to go hire a company to go get me the signatures and they just disqualified like 75 of them and said they didn't count to keep me off the ballot my plan was there's so many colleges in boston i'd register them and i could win i'm glad i didn't but yeah i did try to

um uh i think that's everything this is a pretty good show i'm curious this was a great show do to them and I could win. I'm glad I didn't, but yeah, I did try to. I think that's everything. This is a pretty good show. I'm curious. Yeah, this was a great show. We have the CNMA video next. I'm curious to see our part. I mean, I think we tried to be as fair as you can be, but it's a sensitive area. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like we're... Yeah, at the end of the day, though,

we're three people reporting on a situation, so you can't be like... You to kind of play in that middle ground a little bit, right? Where it's like, you got to play in the, well, let's let them actually speak. We can't just be like, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. You know what I mean? You got to hear people's story. I think we said it. We'd love to have Jack on the show if you want to comment on his side.

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obviously on social media tiktok with you and jack in the video that we saw which was what this was i feels like a long time ago now october 2000 and no when did the video come out i think it was june it was may 31st uh 2021 okay so yeah all june it's been going on for a while now as somebody i'll start this way as somebody who has been i've been doing what i've been doing for 20 years and i'd almost say i'm the league leader in controversy like i people i've had people say things about me which I vehemently deny and it's been an ongoing. People love me. People

hate me. Everything. This look is unusual. I'm going to say that right off the bat because having your lawyer and the forensic guy is weird. I've never done that, but it's your choice. I came in and I was like, holy shit, am i in

the right zoom room what is going on i feel you sorry so is this your choice or their choice to be like we want to be on the call with you it's a little intimidating i feel you but no i just i want to talk about my emotional state and like i feel like what i want to touch on is like how i'm doing and like like the emotional questions that I know you guys are going to ask but as for like the legal and like the so what's going on questions that's for them to answer because like I don't want to I'm I'm trying to I don't want to butcher anything this is all like now it's serious you know like social media yeah along those lines then is there some sort of official legal proceeding going on right now?

So I'm going to take that. Hi, everyone. Thanks for having me on. No. And that's really the point. There has been no police report filed. There has been no police investigation. There's been no police report filed. There has been no police investigation. There's been no civil complaint filed. There has been absolutely nothing by way of an investigation or any kind of legal proceeding filed. Honestly, at the end of the day, this is all just a video online. Right. So then though, but then that begs the question, if there hasn't been a legal issue, like why are you here? She can't, like, there's nothing going on.

She could theoretically answer for herself. Because obviously there have been allegations made, right? Obviously there have been legal allegations made. And at this point, after so long of just going back and forth online and it's all just social media talking back and forth, it's time to actually bring in some professionals who are going to talk about what's really real and what's real is that there's nothing out there okay i personally again as somebody i think this almost makes it seem like something's real by involving legal when there is no legal but that's

just my take like i i always think it's better to hear from the horse's mouth like i get i always get when someone said i can't speak on it there's a legal proceeding going on it'll be used of course but there isn't we're not there so that's my personal off the jump with this i totally understand what you're saying yes but i think that with how like blown out of proportion this is all got it's now like to the point where i just like can't even like deal with this stuff anymore like it's literally just me kind of like focusing on my emotional state and then as everyone's like what's gonna happen next like oh she's 18 now i turned 18 like a month ago she's 18 now like is something gonna happen like i just kind of like all right i'm gonna let my team like just

talk about this one and kind of like take this one because it's just like not even worth it for me to you know yeah and and obviously josh brie feel free i I do think in a situation like this, and I'm not – and I've watched everything. I've seen everything. And we've said in the beginning what we felt, and I think we got crucified. I tended to be – I looked at it on my side. It's like just a little – No, I really appreciate you for that. And it wasn't even necessarily like because we'd met or spoken.

I was just thinking – No, I don't think it because we'd met or spoken. I was just. No, I don't think it was like a favor or anything. Yeah, it was like if my girlfriend did that in a second, I would never. It's a nothing issue to me. Like if I'm sitting there, my girlfriend climbs on me. Now, there's been all dispute on where this is going back. I will say the seriousness of these allegations both ways. I think it's kind of disgusting that it's being played out on social media when it's

getting that serious because those are serious things and nobody knows what's right and wrong like you said there's there's nothing been filed so but it has gotten to this point even this interview is very unlike bff so we want to treat it delicately yeah um well especially because i feel like i feel like when you just keep bringing this uh attention kind of to the – not you necessarily, Sienna. I just mean like when people keep bringing the attention to the situation, it just got to fuck up to people's mental health. Like you and Jack can't be in the greatest mental health place when it's like this stuff is just constantly being brought online and just being talked about. And then everyone is giving their opinions on you and what you should do and how you should live your life kind of. Yeah.

No, for sure. their opinions on you and what you should do and how you should live your life kind of yeah no for sure like if i'm being totally honest i literally haven't been on my phone the past month like i know that there's been like thousands of like youtube videos tiktok videos about me and just who people think i am and just talking about like just my character and i haven't seen anything and i just know that there's like i don't know i just yeah it's like i i obviously am not doing you know 100 because how could you be when there's like just so much hatred you know and like literally just so much cyberbullying um yeah on both parts i could totally do you think do you think like bringing it do you think you bring in the lawyer

team and everything do you think that's going to bring more attention to the situation or do you think that's to like kind of quiet people down or it's going to quiet people down i think it is going to quiet people down because it's just like i literally have my lawyer sitting right here next to me telling, telling you guys and whoever's going to see this now that there's nothing being done. Like you can't just like, you can't just like claim with no credible proof because yeah, you guys have never had anything like this on BFF because you probably never had or very few.

I don't even know had people being accused of like an actual crime like an actual I actually have been in a very similar in which there's no there's no I'm actually reverse like if people follow me I'm actually suing like it's very unusual because I've been accused of things usually it's and it's so untrue that I am now suing the people saying it. There is, I'm the one who initiated. So I get it. I totally get that. I don't know that the, and I was trying to prove a point, so I get the lawyer.

I read through all and will get to all this stuff. A lot of it seemed like things you already said, but even backing up, because I haven't heard you say it, what the strangest part of this to me, I is like you and jack like when you were on with us you guys seemed like two peas in a pod the original seemed like you guys were like dating and everything had like a relationship going so what like do you have if you look back on this are you at any point like oh i should have seen a red flag there, there that something was off with this relationship or are you totally caught off guard? And were you guys actually dating or never actually dating? No. So we never actually dated. And was I, sorry, if you asked if I was like caught off guard.

It was like, it obviously, I don't, my guess is you didn't see this coming. So when you look back, were you like, maybe I should have seen a red flag in this relationship somewhere that alerted that something was drastically off between you two. When all this dropped on, back in 2021, whatever, I was literally in shock. Like, I was literally so just surprised at like what what was being said because it came from from nowhere. In my opinion, I was like, this this is literally just pulled out of thin air. And it was yeah, it was literally just as shocking to me as it was to everybody else on the Internet. What was your initial reaction to Jack? Like, did you reach out to him? What did you say? What was that conversation?

There was nothing? So I actually, no, I haven't talked to him and literally since our last trip to Hawaii together. The last time I literally saw him was before I got on my flight and we haven't talked since. So what was the delay between that video what when did that incident the first when the like quick rope supposedly when did that come out versus when it happened

wait i don't understand what you're saying like so that video was that video when was that film like what day like when in the year was that film verse when it was posted so that was filmed in november of 2020 and the claims or the tweet was posted in june of 2021 and then now it's february 2022 got it so when that came out you didn't reach out to jack be like what is this nothing uh-uh huh well you guys already jumped to you uh-uh well because he didn't post it so i was obviously furious i've never been through anything like this last time i came on you guys saw like little squirrel girl 16 year old dancey tiktok girl i was like what like i had no idea how to deal with any of this i I feel like I didn't reach out. I didn't even say anything because I was just, like, so emotionally, like, and personally, like, in shock that I didn't even think about, like, talking to anybody.

I think I was just kind of more like. So did you not text anyone or reach out to anybody, like, even Jack's friends or something like that, being like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Like, I feel like this isn't right. What you guys are saying. Like, did you reach out to anybody like even jack's friends or something like that being like yo what the fuck is going on like i feel like this isn't right what you guys are like did you reach out to anyone at all i literally don't know i i think i maybe reached out to the guy who tweeted the tweet and was like you know what you're saying is a lie um like i don't i don't remember what i said but i think i was just kind of like, what are you saying? You know that's not true. Why are you talking about that on his behalf? And then what does someone like Jack's friend say to that?

Have you had any of them? None of them have ever responded. None of them have ever responded, okay. The original then, looking back on it, total shock. There was nothing where you're like, hmm, maybe something weird is happening between us that would i i don't think anyone can predict what happened but that it just i guess red red flags like huh there's something going on because you were making a ton of content with them and even one of the things that stuck out to me and again

the only truly people who know what happened are you and he you and jack yeah yeah that i was struck by him saying he he made it seem like this was repeated behavior but then he kept making videos with you like it's like he he'd say something happened and then you guys would hang out make more videos almost my original thought again it's not an excuse either way it's like well why why do you keep doing this like you're you're saying there's these things happening you don't like it it's uncomfortable and then you make more content together so there's anything in the lead up where you're like this relationship is crumbling well okay so i've said this before but i was like i like really really loved him like i've been in like two previous like long-term relationships and I was like I'm

gonna get married to this guy like this is the one like I was so stoked on him and he like was loving making the content because of like the views I that it would get and it would get a ton of views on my accounts too I think we both kind of like saw that as a business transaction as like a business deal but then for me personally like I was personally between us like super into it and he knew that I was and I think he also knew that he wasn't and that's where things got messy and I think that yeah so did you realize he wasn't into it and you're still pursuing it or you didn't realize? Well, I've talked about this. I talked about this in my article basically about how like I we would kind of just play this game and go back and forth where we would kiss. Also, I just want to reiterate, we never had sex. We literally never did anything other than kiss. And like most of it is seen

on the internet. Like you can find videos and take talks of it. Um, but what I was going to say is, what was I going to say? Well, I was asking, I was like you, so you said you really kind of fell for him. You're in love with him and he, you don't think he felt the way now you're saying that looking back, I was wondering, did you realize that in real time, continue to pursue or you didn't realize it? So we would always have this kind of like back and forth where we would like, I'd be like, Jack, like, I really like you. And then he would be kind of just like, Oh,

like I just want to like feel things out right now let's just like keep making videos keep doing content keep traveling together just kind of like play it out we'll see where things go and I was like oh okay like that's cool I'm stoked today like I was only 16 and I feel like I was just like just just just happy just happy like making videos making TikToks this is all new making like just doing stuff and i didn't really like think about you know i was like i was 16. all right so we have a bunch of stuff here that we can get into and part of why i think you joined was and we've gone over, I think, the back stuff of it, unless you, Brie or Josh, have any more questions.

But we got a bunch of the lawyer in the forensic evidence, so to speak, that we get. The reason I should have probably said earlier, a reason that they're on is because while I was kind of doing my time off, on is because while I was kind of doing my time off, I had my team kind of just do some like investigating and like, like looking into everything that was happening and like what was, what was going on. And they found some stuff that like was, yeah, they found some stuff.

I'll let them talk about what they found. Sure. And again, I, this is one of those things it's like only you two know. I will say from my experience, I also, when I felt like I've been wrongly accused, it's like that's a normal, I would say, thing, like what is going on and why. And I guess before we get into your stuff, the Jax video,

the one thing that he, one of the, I'd say the more inflammatory claims he made against you, and just again clarify it, is that you were naked and climbed into his bed without him telling you, which you've denied that? Yeah. So totally made up. Well, okay, let me tell you a story. Okay. So he, one of the stories he told was that I, like, put my legs around him in a bathroom or something like that. And he would take kind of parts of the story and just put it out.

And out of context, a lot of the things that were being said, like, obviously look terrible. things that were being said like obviously look terrible and um then like the story sorry i'm just trying to be slow i get it take your time again it's hard because i don't want people looking maybe like oh dave's disagreeing but half truths there's stuff that you can say that are truth and but if you don't tell the whole story will look bad if you don't know the whole context so i get where you're getting at with that. Thank you. One of the things he said was like that I put my legs around him in a bathroom. And the full story of that was like we had gone to this party.

We were fighting. We got to the party. We were kind of like separated. He was with some guys. I was with a guy. I was like talking to the party. We were kind of like separated. He was with some guys. I was with a guy. I was like talking to this guy. And he basically walked past me, kind of gave me like the death eye. I was just like, okay, like you're going to be talking to somebody else.

You know, would get jealous over these things, which was the confusing part of it. Kind of going back to what we were talking about before, because it was like, you're saying, are there any red flags? But like, it was so confusing. And so no, no lines, you know,

because you guys like weren't dating. Right. So you weren't dating, but then you were like, okay. But when I, why would he get jealous if he had no feelings? Right.

Exactly. So he got kind of jealous. I, I was like, left this other guy. I went and talked to Jack. I go, can I pull you into the bathroom really quick so we can talk it was only a private place in the party

yeah of course we go in hey i just want you to know like i'm in this for you like i came here for you i want to like just talk to you um like gave him a hug kissed him he kissed me back and then like we walked out of the room together you know what i mean so it's just like yeah yeah so and we'll get into we i we cut you off on why the lawyer and the forensics we'll get to that in a second but i think this is questions first motivation like do you and it's something i've wrestled with do you have any idea like why this is going on because it doesn't seem like there was some huge incident that would have predicted any of this so like what like why why is this going on it doesn't seem like it's it's healthy or good for either of you right it's not like there's no way jack's enjoying himself right now. Like he's, he's getting dragged into crazy shit too.

So it's like, what would have been his motive? You know, I really don't like, I don't know. I have my own personal opinions. Like you said, like the people that know really what happened are him and I,

and I have things that I feel in my gut, but it's just my personal opinion. Like, I don't know. I don't know what the motivation was. I wish I could tell you and I wish that I knew, but it's just like, it's crazy to me too. It literally is. So the last time you guys talked, was it on good terms? And then all of this came out?

The last time we talked, like in person yeah like did you have a big fight and then all of this came out we'd actually gotten in an argument before the fight or the oh this was um when i talked about in my first video back in june how i basically told him that i didn't want to do videos anymore because I just wanted to be able to be a teenage girl and like not feel like I was like tied down in a relationship that wasn't actually a relationship. I just felt like it was super toxic for me because I was like super into him and it just wasn't reciprocated. And I finally came to the conclusion that like I didn't have to make videos with anybody else to like have them be doing well and then I just wanted to personally like go venture out and pursue new relationships so I told him that I wanted to make a video and he said um

that he didn't want to make a video because he thinks it would be bad for the brand and he just didn't want to do that and so that's the last conversation we had was we basically just got an argument because i said i wanted to be over and he told me that he thought it would pass the brand and what about what about two after all this came out jack and it looks like it's blurred out and i didn't see the evidence on ours that was it anonymous other people he claimed like hey there's similar claims against sienna from other guys i don't think they were identified is that true i think that that's like they were so i i think it's you know this maybe this is why the lawyer's on the show

but it's exactly like you said so there's apparently somebody said that there's other guys but we've heard nothing. Again, no police reports, no police investigations, no complaints. And Sienna herself hasn't heard anything. Yeah, they're like not credible. There's literally nothing out there. Nothing. Right.

Okay. So moving on a good segue to why you guys, I believe, have joined in. If you want to say it, Sienna, you were kind of, I think I cut you off, but why you brought your team with you. Well, so, like I said, I just, I have, like, a lot of, obviously, like, emotional stuff about this, and I feel like me getting into, like, the logistics about what's actually, like, going on with some of the botting stuff that's happened and just some other

stuff that they found is just too much for me to handle so that's why i have somebody else here well two other people here with me just kind of like talking about the logistics yeah so we have this first evidence the forensic video that we can play let's play it i watched it right before we came on. It is a forensic company who determined the video of her strangling Jack on the couch is credible evidence of accusations against Sienna. The National Center for Audio and Video Forensics was retained to perform an analysis on a cell phone video posted to social media. I was asked if the video can be used as credible evidence of the accusations against Ms. Gomez. In short, no, the posted video is not credible evidence of these accusations.

Here are some points that led to this conclusion. Let's discuss the length of the video. It is very short. In fact, it is only about two and a half seconds. What happened in the moments before this or after this? No one knows since video before and after these two and a half seconds was not posted. Certainly, what happens in the seconds immediately before and immediately after this video are very important to understanding what is really going on between Ms. Gomez and Mr. Wright.

This video gives us no context at all. The video component of the post that is on social media has been altered from when it was originally recorded. We also know that the audio is not original and has also been altered. Therefore, we don't even know and can't tell what the original video actually looks or sounds like. Now let's also consider what we can see of Ms. Gomez's hand and body position. Her right arm is hanging down by her side. There is almost no bend in her right elbow. If we follow her arm down from her shoulder past her elbow and to where it is most likely

positioned, it appears to be positioned on the right leg of Mr. Wright. So what does this tell us about the posted video? The video is not original the video has been heavily altered the video provides no context to the events the video is not credible evidence of the accusations against ms gomez i feel like that's what me and you did, Dave. We could be fucking forensic people. I feel like that was a bad CSI video. I mean, it's a crazy video. Like, I'm interested to see what people think. My instinct is people are going to be like, that's a guilty video.

I agree with what's said in it, but it felt like a bad movie. So, to me, that's how that felt. It felt lawyer. What's the original video? Like, felt lawyer. Was the original video, did you ever see the original video of that being taken, Sienna? Was it longer? Did they cut it down? Do you know anything about that video?

Did you even know it was being taken? No. And I agree with the facts of it's so short. Why is it so short? I agree with the points in the video. I just think it comes across like that no is like a second grade like school no offense if it's the top left but that was like it was like one of those train warning videos you know what I mean when you're like telling you don't go on the train tracks and shit for school I understand that this is like

it's so intense but I feel like there's just like that it's but you can say yeah like and sienna you may have realized or not like i find in this may be the case with you it may not there's people i'll use myself as an example there's people who like me and they believe everything i say and i i think i have like 20 years of telling the truth so it helps but then I have people who do not like me and I could cure cancer and it'd be like you didn't cure it fast enough like we still hate you um things like this without it going further and more evidence there's gonna be people who believe you and there's gonna be people who don't but like that video I don't think it's gonna sway like I feel the same't. But that video, I don't think it's going to sway.

I feel the same way about that original video, as I've always felt. I think you bring up good points. How is it so short? There's multiple people around the room, so if you're going to do some sort of sexual crime, you've got to be a real lunatic to do it in a room of people where there's cameras.

And it's like if people thought he was in danger or something you wouldn't film that so i i agree with all of that um i just think that the people that would have sided with you probably would have done it without that video like they would have came to that conclusion from watching the video without like the whole uh it's a he said she said and it really is a he said she said which sucks about the internet and the situation it's it's such a difficult i guys i don't know what like like who's who's been through like who knows how to handle this you know what i mean it's like yeah nobody like it's such a difficult thing but i feel like moddy the guy who made the video um he literally is like a video forensic expert.

And that's the top left? Yeah, he's right here. He does drug deals, crimes, rapes, sexual assaults. This is his job. All right, then let's – maybe he needs a better TikTok marketing guy. Maybe he's used to court things. But go ahead. Speak on the video then.

We should let you go. Yeah. You brought up the he said, she said. So that's not my department. I don't deal with what people say to each other post online with regards to their comments. I deal with the video evidence. Somebody wants to make a statement, fine. They can say what they want to say.

evidence. Somebody wants to make a statement, fine, they can say what they want to say. But then if they put a video out there and they say, well, this video is going to be used to support my statements. Okay, so that's where I come in. And that's kind of what it seems like might have happened here. Somebody puts a video online and says, this video is going to be used to support my accusations. So I was asked to determine, well, does this video do that? Can this video be used to support my accusations. So I was asked to determine, well, does this video do that? Can this video be used as credible evidence to support the accusations? And I analyzed it. I looked at it. I looked at lots of different components about it. I came with the conclusions. And then we made this video to play on your show. So it's kind of easily watchable, cartoons and everything. But that was the point of my getting involved was to figure out your show, so it's kind of easily watchable, cartoons and everything.

But that was the point of my getting involved, was to figure out, well, is it even fair or appropriate for somebody to come and use this video to say, well, this is my proof, here's my evidence that this accusation really happened, and no, it's not credible evidence. What happens, and this is not a Siena question, have you been paid to do this in the past where you don't produce a result? Because what you, you can't corroborate, like, obviously, if you looked at this video, and let's say you felt differently, what happens then? You just take the check and don't put the video out? So let me just jump in for a second. This happens all the time with experts that are hired for any kind of legal matter.

For a second, this happens all the time with experts that are hired for any kind of legal matter. At the end of the day, you are hired and you are paid for your expert opinion, whether you happen to end up agreeing or not agreeing. And that's really important because otherwise you wouldn't survive in a court of law. You wouldn't survive in this business. Right. So in that case, any course case, obviously he wouldn't be used again. It just would never be brought up. Incredibility at the end of the game, whether you're on TikTok or in a courtroom. Yeah.

And so, again, and I can't speak for Joshua Breed. My original take on this whole thing really has not changed. I never thought the video rose to anything that I would be worthy of this controversy. Like you said, the other stuff, there isn't video. It's just one person's story versus the others. Yeah, I don't think the video proves anything. If I just look at that video, I think I still agree with what I said when I first saw the video is that you can't make anything just from that video alone. That video could have been taken of me and my past exes, of them on me at a party.

It could have been taken of literally any couple i think i've seen in high school but it's always going to be a he said she said where no one else besides jack and sienna is ever really going to know what happened yeah well then it's the second video too i think it's the second video where everyone's freaking out now because he had a lot of allegations against you and it's like why why is he making them up why is he just coming out of the blue and saying these things i think think that's why people are really like, what the fuck's going on? So let me let me just say one thing. Let me say it about about the video we were just looking at. So, you know, what's significant about that is that that is, according to them, that is the only I mean, that's real proof. Right. And what we all need to understand is there is no credible proof there.

It's not there's not one iota proof. Here, as you've just seen from Lottie Gabor's video, that two and a half seconds, first of all, it's two and a half seconds. Nobody has any clue what happened before or after. But second of all, it's been altered. And I think that's really important. I don't want that point to get lost. It's been altered, both visually and the audio. So it really is proof of nothing. And that's the only thing that they've actually shown. Yeah. I think that goes to what Bree and Josh,

and again, we did get roasted for it. That video never, I watched that and I was like, people killed us. They crucified us for saying that. People hated us for that. I didn't need all the other evidence. I already did that. But then like Bree said, you get all these. It's just so crazy.

And you said, Sienna, you're not sure why all these accusations. I also thought it was interesting. Like my initial reaction when I saw his long video is how cut up it was. It was like a jump cut every two seconds. If people have watched when i've done it they're generally one stream of conscious because i i know what i just can't screw myself up because i'm telling the truth but brie brings up a good point like why like why would he be posting 17 minute youtube videos like bawling his eyes out on the internet if there was no truth behind what

he was saying look here's the thing i'm going going to jump in again. Here's the thing. We can't speculate as to why he did it, why he did it or what he thought. We can't speculate. But, you know, to Bree's point, they're nothing but statements. They're just statements. And so without that first video we were talking about, it's just he said, she said. They're just statements. Why he did it, we don't know. What we do know is that it's had a huge, taken a huge toll on Sienna, both professionally and personally. A really, really significant toll. And I think that's something that's important to focus on. Yeah, I mean, that sucks.

Nobody should have to go through that. Obviously, if his allegations are true, you lose sympathy. But nobody knows. This is really not legal there's a war for public opinion yeah obviously yeah and nobody wants to go through this and that's a main reason why i have experts in their field here because you can either be trying to win in the court of public opinion or the actual court of law and i have two people here basically saying there is no fight in the court of law this is this is literally just

a she said this oh no he did this oh like no one's it's literally it's it's it's like unwinnable for so so if you were like if you were so confident in this obviously all being a lie, like you know your truth, you know what you did, would you not try to sue him for defamation of character? So I knew you were coming there. So we're going to jump in on that. So all I will say at this time is we're considering all our legal options, including defamation lawsuits against multiple individuals.

It's also a horrific thing to have to go through as a public figure. I had to weigh all those decisions here. Everything about you will be an open book to everything. The thing I would say, and I don't mean to keep going at the lawyer, the forensics, is what has worked in my favor when I've been in situations that I would not ever have dreamed I'd be in in Millionaires, if I know my truth, so I know I can go on any program, I can say anything, I'm never going to perjure myself because I know what I've done, and I haven't done anything. So I'm always willing to scream from the rooftops, and you want to talk to me?

I beg to talk to my enemies like because i know what i did so i'll have every answer at every turn that that's all i'd say like sienna if you if you know the truth and your truth is the truth and jack's truth is not you can't ever trip yourself up because you can't ever get in trouble for the truth yeah of course um so the second piece of evidence and this this was yeah go ahead no i was just gonna say everything i say is like it's not it's not planned it's just me being like what happened tell you there you go that's what happened like yeah yeah and and you don't like i get what they're saying up above and and even like they're experts clearly but there's always the perception somebody that you're paying to be on

your side is going to be on your side that's just the nature of how people look this other like this evidence to the summary from the report this was useless to me um and it essentially proves that there was botting going on in a lot of it, like people leaving, basically bots against you, leaving comments. But to me, that's, yes, that's like to me, Internet 101 in a weird way, like that people take cheap shots, people are going to, you guys are battling for public opinion. That's what it is, and it's going to be dirty. We can show you, though.

Let's show what we have here. Oh, okay. So basically, it's a long story short. They did forensics again on cyberbullying, and they found, which I don't even know what got to go with the details, but it's pretty compelling, that there are a lot of accounts that are set up

just to say really horrific negative stuff about sienna they're not being run by humans they're being run by bots um and there is proof all of it like kill yourself i want you publicly lynched so i can cut you die die die you're a whore all sorts of horrific shit by accounts that are fake new and again i i would say this is unequivocally true that this is happening. What it has to do with what actually happened, and I deal with it the same. But it's a war for public opinion. And this is dirty tactics.

And I'm sure it's happening. Like, I don't, I'm sure it's happening. So I'm just going to, again, add something here. It's not just dirty. It's illegal. So what we did is the report you referenced was by Alex Partners. And we have a team of four consultants. We together have over 65 years in cybersecurity and investigative experience. And they've been working for the FBI, for the U.S. military, for other agencies.

So they're the real deal. And they came up with a number of conclusions, including what you read, that there's botting going on. There's an incredible amount of botting going on. They had something with like 1,000 comments that they had sampled. And out of the 1,000 comments, they found that the majority were botting bots. So it's something, though, they found that the majority were black spots.

So it's something, though, that we've actually become kind of used to. We kind of shrug off, like, of course there's black spots. But I do want to make the point, it's illegal. And we take that very seriously. We as the team here are taking that very seriously. And we're looking into exactly what we're going to do about it. Well, and Dave, like you said, it's core to public opinion. And so when you can buy people that in 17 seconds or however long after your video is posted... Influence the entire comment section with stuff they say, right?

Because it's going to... Whatever people see first when they get into that comment section after. Yeah. That's exactly what's going on. That's what's going on. Are you insinuating that jack did it the body good question yeah we don't we don't know if he did it yet so and again it really going back to the the severity of the accusation should not be being tried on social media i that's clearly not

how you would want to do it and you have no choice in my mind but to respond because of how it's being handled but even like the botting thing it's such a serious it it it's like the internet and i guess that's sort of the world we live in this is a new era tiktok your rise and now dealing with this, something that people shouldn't have to deal with. And again, it should be held if actual charges legally. Nobody's going to know that he said she said ever. Yeah. Yeah. What is your name?

I think everyone gets the point. And frankly, I think people decide watching you and hearing is like and they may have already decided do we like her do we trust her is she believable or is jack believable and i i bet jack fans before side with him your fans side with you and like i've never talked to him personally so i may talk to him be like oh he's believable like it it's hard to tell but what when we had you on the first time sienna your rise to fame, like you said, the squirrel, all that. And now you've seen, I would argue, the negative side. And you've seen it in a fast, like, up and down type thing.

So where are you at? Like, what is your, like, I'd be surprised if anything more came of this besides the he said, she said, and people, how they perceive you positively or negatively. Where is your head at in terms of social media content future for you? Yeah. I feel like what I've learned is just that I can't value, like put my value into those things because I feel like being 16, 17 is such a vital time in your life. And especially like being now 18 in the years that are to come and having such like a fast change in my life was just like I don't I don't even know like I feel like sorry just one second it's a lot to handle um

I just feel like I just had a lot of change in such a short amount of time that I started to kind of value the wrong things, like put everything into social media. And after this, after seeing how bad it can be, as well as like how extremely like good it can be, I think that I just enjoy life way more when I'm just like actually present, like surrounded by people that literally don't blink an eye at any of this. Like they just like me because they like me and they want to spend time with actual me, not like CNMA, you know. And as for like social media, is that what you asked that too? Yeah. Yeah.

As for like social media, I don't know. I might like my my poster video in two days might wait a year like i literally couldn't tell you because i feel like the most important thing to me right now is just like genuinely liking life rather than like wanting to like post you know like i literally don't care about any of those like materialistic things now as much as I did in the past. They're all so flashy. So would that be the advice that you'd go like give yourself? It seems crazy, but like two years ago, like sitting here now would be like, Hey, Sienna, maybe like do this different years, not even years but um yeah i don't know

last time we had you on you had you were blowing up sponsorships things like that have have your sponsors stayed by you have you lost them like how's that been if i'm being totally honest with you i have not been caught up on the business side in literally this this second round of videos happened i got a flight and i left like i haven't looked at my phone i haven't been caught up on anything business i haven't been caught up on anything legal i mean well i have but like that's why they're here um so i don't is somebody protecting you from that what do you mean like? Like that seems surprising to me. I'm a very like sensitive person.

And I feel like I just get like, I just get invested in things. And like, I just couldn't, I have to like take care of like, I know it sounds cheesy, but like I have to take care of like myself right now because I feel like, and Josh, I feel like you probably

could understand this too. People think of like social media, people as like TV characters or like, you know, like how everyone's like weighing their opinion on like kids in euphoria right now. Like people literally just treat us like we're characters, like we're not real people. And that's like not true at all. Like I'm very insensitive and like things that people say obviously like hurt me you know and like that totally totally but my only thing is you have to like somebody has to know if we deal with it the same like advertisers being like oh we gotta pause we're gonna like somebody

yeah yeah yeah no it's not yeah it's all being like that's all definitely like being taken care of it's just that i i'm focusing on like that right now because so it's on pause until it's on pause till you're and i'm sure you get that like you've been through some yeah i'm different i like i i on my side i handle everything a little differently and i wouldn't advise anybody to handle it the way i handle it it's like if i i know that i'm innocent I don't like public opinion swaying so like I go on a war if I find out like an advertiser's like oh we're we're going away like on false allegations well I'm gonna let the world know that like that you're doing that because anybody can make up anything but I also handle things differently and again I've had 20 years of a build-up to deal with this yeah like not a year

not a year so it's very different. The thing when Santa says, you know, she's kind of been off social media. I mean, the thing is she has had to deal with unbelievable amounts of cyber bullying and it's real. And it's,

it's really, it's traumatic. It's just unbelievable, horrible, horrible, hateful comments that I know you guys have all seen. So it's, you know,

she says she's sensitive. She is sensitive, but it's also, there's a reality of know you guys have all seen. So it's, you know, she says she's sensitive. She is sensitive, but it's also, there's a reality of what cyber bullying does out there. And, you know, I know you guys have all seen what's happened with other figures and, you know, public figures, but it's, it's been really, really, it's just been really horrifying to see. Would you ever want to sit down with Jack, like private off camera, just be like, yo, what happened? well yeah that's a loaded question guys well I don't know if it's that loaded would you want to get to the bottom of it like I I would with the people who have accused I think that we, I don't,

I don't think he would, but I mean, I, yeah. Like just to talk about. Because you guys went wrong. Yeah. I mean,

it's like an ex-boyfriend that was never an ex-boyfriend that somehow is now a public breakup but it's not just a breakup because it's like also a crime like allegations of a crime i like i think if you told me today like oh in an hour you have the ability to either like sit down with him or not i don't think i could do that like I think like I just am so like emotionally kind of like exhausted from everything that this situation has brought that I like I just don't think I could like even want to talk about it like Dave I know you're a fighter like you you obviously like are like punch punch punch but for. But for me, like this is literally so new. And when I was on the podcast last, like, I was like, I didn't have any hate. Like,

it was just like all like sunshine butterflies and rainbows and like squirrel dances and body positivity videos. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's quite the turn. That's everything for me. I appreciate you coming on here. I don't know, Bree, Josh, you got any final questions? No, I don't think I have anything else. No, I don't think so.

I appreciate you coming on. And, I mean, again, the truth on your side, hopefully it all works out. There's so much he said, she said. I find you to be believable. I've never talked to Jack. It's a tough situation that I wouldn't wish anybody going through. But I appreciate you guys coming on. Thank you.

Yeah, I believe in that too. The truth will come out. All right. Thanks, guys. Awesome. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Okay.

So what did you guys think? I mean, dude, when I tell you I was fucking shocked when I joined this Zoom call at the start, I don't know if, like, Brianna, I think Brianna giggled. I don't know if you stopped around, but I was kind of, like, looking around, like. I couldn't. That was, like, so weird. It felt like we were in courtroom. What did I just join? Yeah.

I mean, I think it's, I don't know if my opinion very much changed from the last episode we filmed. Like, not the last episode with Siennaienna but the last episode we talked about it which is you can't you can't make a decision from that video is my stance from that video alone you can't make a decision and then secondly this shouldn't be a thing that's if this is real it should have never been brought to social media because it's like destroying two 17 18 year old kids' mental health and could destroy an innocent person's future. Could be the truth that Jack's saying? I have no idea. Yeah, I pretty much feel identical.

Yeah, and I feel pretty much identical to you, Josh. I don't think that first video convinces me of anything. I think, I'm not saying it's great behavior, but it's certainly, if that behavior is going to classify as sexual allegation, like that's I think that's a little extreme. And the fact they were sitting on the video for so long, didn't post it for so long. It's edited. That first video is not. That's the other thing, right?

It's like he kept they kept filming together after that, right? Like they kept hanging out. Yeah, but there's a whole like, yeah, he was that. Right. Like they kept hanging out. Yeah. But there's a whole like, yeah, he was scared. He couldn't get out type of thing. Like there's so many different angles for it. But it's just like we can't. She said.

Yeah. Because to that angle. Again. It's like her. Her thing would be like, well, I liked him and he just wants views. So it is that he said she it's exactly what you said, Josh. It's a he said she said i personally it's like a messy high school breakup on social media that shouldn't be it's it's so wrong what's

going on what they're doing and yeah it's just that's the world we live in and i'm clearly have gone through some shit that makes me jaded but if this is real it shouldn't be on social media it just no but i also think sienna should not have like sienna seems a smart intelligent girl speak for yourself i don't think yeah yeah i agree i agree that that makes you look like you can't speak for yourself yeah that you're gonna slip up and say and there's no legal thing going on so it's like why that's a little weird yeah yeah yeah i mean it might be from such a form of desperation too right like it might be like from such a you're at such a point of like seeing everything being like taken away from you brand deals followers likes like your career that you

pretty much built like probably doesn't have her school set up like she would have if she wasn't doing social media like all these things and then if it is true right like what she's saying if she's right, to see all that fall apart around you, you're probably fucking grabbing at whatever you can and being like, I need help, I need help, I need help. What can I do?

What can I do? Yeah. And I mean, a lot of people, I think, do make wrong decisions in PR with that. Oh, 100%. And maybe if we talk to Jack, I would find him believable. Yeah, that's the other thing.

We haven't got to talk to him. We could have one conversation with him and be like, oh, shit. Yeah, we could change our minds completely. This guy is really telling the truth, and then it completely changes. But again, I think the stance is you can't really have a fucking stance because it's only Jack and Sienna know. Only they can, yeah. Only they can know what went on in this situation.

Yeah, the only thing you can say is, like, shouldn't be happening on social media if it's real. Correct, and I get their point i guess which is of all the shit and all the shit storm that's going out they're basing it basically on this one video that will probably get crucified again i think the three of us agree that isn't really conclusive of anything. And that's like the spark that, that, that is like the, the, the initial surge that create, that creates why people are like,

Oh, now he's saying this, but it's a, he said shit because that video, I will go to my grave saying that. I think people were more, I think people were more crucifying. Cause they thought,

cause we said the video doesn't prove anything. We were like, it can't happen. It's not real, but it's just like that video alone, you can't take anything. Correct. And then they're saying two opposite stories. I think she was just a confused 16-year-old girl.

Really loved this boy. He gave her missed signals. There's so many red flags. It's just like a messy breakup. And I don't know why he made it so crazy, though. Right. And again, maybe Sienna's totally crazy. I haven't gotten that vibe.

Yeah, we totally could be wrong. Yeah. If you're actually doing something that is like an assault or like you're going to do it there with like her brother there and like sitting on a couch. It just didn't seem like a place to do. And it's like this. The video's like this. So I don't know. It's tough. Maybe we will get Jack on here, his side. I do think I'm sort of correct. The people who like her are going to believe her. The people who don't aren't going to like her, and it's going to be hard to switch anybody.

Certainly what they did isn't going to switch it, I don't think. No. You know what I did like, though, that the forensic guy, the cadence of his sentences were the exact same when he spoke on the podcast as he does in the videos. Like his sentence structure doesn't change. He has the perfect voice for that job. We were shitting on his video, and he's like, that's mine. Yeah, I know.

But that video, come on. Like that actually – The big no. He's a brilliant guy. Get the evidence. But somebody has to look at that and be like that that yo that that ain't right that screams guilty even if it's the most true thing of all time you guys know what i'm talking about when i said like those bus videos like did you ever have that when you went

to high school and they wheel in the fucking tv and like play the warning like don't play on train tracks dare try a dare dare yeah exactly exactly yeah and like again shocking like there's bots and shit yeah i mean that it it's a dirty world yeah yeah um but it's a lot to go through for both of them so somebody is closer to the truth and i do there could be half truth there could be anything i just don't know who it is right don't know who it is yeah