BibleProject - An Exodus-Shaped Reality
Episode Date: February 10, 2025The Exodus Way E1 — Most followers of Jesus are familiar with three foundational biblical stories: the story of Jesus in the gospels, the creation story in Genesis, and the Exodus story. These narra...tives are referred to throughout the whole Bible, but the Exodus story is the most referenced story. Why is this narrative in Exodus so important? In this episode, Jon and Tim start a new series on the narrative theme of Exodus, what we’re calling the “Exodus Way,” showing how this story shapes the Bible’s whole view of reality.CHAPTERSWhat Is the Exodus, and Why Is It Important? (2:25-17:09)The Most Referenced Story in the Bible 17:09-29:27The Template of the Exodus (29:27-45:49)OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPTView this episode’s official transcript.REFERENCED RESOURCESEchoes of Exodus: Tracing a Biblical Motif by Bryan D. EstelleYou can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books here.SHOW MUSIC“Lax Incense” by Mama Aiuto & Daphné“Treecko Is a Cool Starter” by Sleepy Fish & CoaBibleProject theme song by TENTSSHOW CREDITSProduction of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer. Frank Garza and Aaron Olsen edited today’s episode. Aaron Olsen and Tyler Bailey provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. Powered and distributed by Simplecast.
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Welcome to the Bible Project Podcast. Today, we start a new series that we're calling
The Exodus Way. There is a way out of slavery, a way through the wilderness and a way into
the land of inheritance. In this theme conversation, we'll discover that this is not just a journey
that ancient Israel went on when they were rescued from slavery in Egypt. It's also the journey we're invited on.
In fact, what we'll find is that this is the journey the entire cosmos is on.
The path from death into life, the highway through the wilderness, the Exodus Way.
This theme, more than any other, ties the entire narrative of the Bible together.
The Exodus story that liberation rescues through the waters, through the wilderness, into the
Promised Land, that storyline is referenced, referred to, more than any other story.
One of the key moments in the Exodus story is the night of Passover.
It's so important that it's celebrated every year for thousands of years with a ritual
meal called Passover.
And so it isn't random that Jesus chose for his final days in Jerusalem to correspond
with the week that leads up to Passover.
Why did Jesus choose Passover weekend and then explain the meaning of his life leading
up to that point and of what was about to happen in his death in terms of that bread and wine of the Passover meal.
The Exodus story gets to the core of what the Christian life is all about.
What does it mean to be redeemed by God? What does it mean to be saved?
The words salvation and redemption, these are pretty important words.
And they appear first and are given their main definitions in the Exodus story.
Today, as we begin this new theme study, Tim Ackie and I will set the stage for how a life
of faith is really a journey.
That journey is what the Bible calls an Exodus.
Jesus saw Himself on this journey and He invites us into it as well.
It's the road out, or as they say in Greek, ex haras.
The messianic Jesus-inspired vision of human life and history.
It's an Exodus-shaped view of reality.
Thanks for joining us.
Here we go.
Hey Tim.
Hey John.
Hi.
We are beginning a new theme series. Yeah, this is a great day. Here we go.
Hey Tim. Hey John, hi.
We are beginning a new theme series.
Yeah, this is a great day. I love these days.
It's like...
Wide open horizon.
I've really only ever had the experience of sailing on a ship away from a dock once before and it was with you, in fact.
But just that feeling of sailing off.
What adventure awaits us.
Yeah, where is the conversation going to go? So, yes, we are beginning a new theme study
through the storyline of the Bible of the theme of the New Exodus, or just the Exodus.
The Exodus.
In the story of the Bible, we are going to discover what to call it. In my mind, it was
the new Exodus, but it is also going to be about what is the Exodus story and then how
it as a foundation story gets repeated and echoed and recycled throughout the rest of
the Bible.
How is the Exodus story a theme?
Exactly. Yeah. So, it's going to be about one part of the Bible, but somehow through that one part of the
Bible, we're going to see the whole story of the Bible come together, which is how themes typically
work. Yeah. Now, but this is unique in that it's a theme where we're starting in Exodus.
We've always started a theme in Genesis. Yeah, and actually, we will.
Okay, we'll actually start in Genesis. With the pre-Exodus. Exodus.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, and actually, we will. Okay, we'll actually start with the pre-Exodus. Ah, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Exodus refers to a few things. One, it refers to one of the scrolls
in the first main scroll collection in the Hebrew Bible. That five-part collection is called the
Torah. And then the second scroll is called, oh, in the Christian tradition, it's called Exodus.
Okay.
Which is like a Greek word? The second scroll is called, well, in the Christian tradition, it's called Exodus. Okay. Yeah.
Which is like a Greek word.
It comes, as far as we can tell, from the Greek manuscript tradition.
And Exodus just means road out of.
It's a phrase actually, ex out of and hados, which means road.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Path out of.
In Jewish tradition, the name of the second scroll of the Torah is Shemot,
which comes from the first words of the scroll. These are the names,
and it gives a genealogy of the descendants of Jacob.
– These are the names as Shemot?
– Yeah, Eilashemot, Ve'eilashemot, but Shemot is the word for names.
– Got it. That's how in Jewish tradition they name the scrolls is by the first word.
Yeah, one of the first words that appears in the scroll. So, what I'd like to do in this
conversation is kind of set the stage as for why the Exodus story ranks as one of the most important
stories in the entire Bible. I mean, if you stop and think, if I know
very little about the Bible, what are the things somebody should know? If you're a follower of
Jesus, the story of Jesus rakes right up near the top. I think the creation stories, especially the
seven-day story and the Eden story are just like 101. And then coming right in hot alongside those two is the Exodus story.
Let's actually be crystal clear what the Exodus story is.
Well that's actually, it's a bit more complex of a question than you might think. But in
its essence, it refers to the storyline where the main family that's at the center of the
biblical story, which is the family of Israel, the descendants of Abraham.
They end up enslaved in Egypt and oppressed and they cry out to God.
God raises up a deliverer, Moses, for them.
And then there's a big showdown between Yahweh, the God of Israel, and Pharaoh, the King of Egypt,
resulting in Passover, where a plague passes through the land, but those whose houses
are covered by the blood of the lamb are delivered from the plague and they are released to go
out of the land into freedom. God rescues them, parting the waters through the sea.
They go through the wilderness and on their way to the promised land.
That's the...
Prince of Egypt.
You're telling me the plot of the animation Prince of Egypt.
Yeah, there you go.
Which they got from the Bible.
Which they got from the Bible.
Yeah, they weren't making it up.
So my goal in just this first step of the conversation is to convince you or anybody
who's wondering, why isn't it just an interesting and important story?
Why does it rank among the most category-setting, foundation-setting stories in the Bible?
To understand that, let's actually turn to some foundational questions about Jesus and the New
Testament that really are only resolved once you see how they connect to the meaning of Exodus story.
Okay.
For example, why did Jesus choose Passover weekend as the week when He would show up in
Jerusalem and poke the bear that has provoked Jerusalem's leaders, the priestly and religious
leaders for His showdown with the
powers there.
Like, it's not random.
Every one of the Gospels accounts has as its whole climax to the story of Jesus presented
with Jesus going to Jerusalem on a particular set of seven days leading up to a weekend.
Yeah, you're saying when you're reading the Gospels and you're getting to the point where Jesus is going to get arrested and killed, it's the week of Passover.
That's right.
And that's not random.
It's not random.
And Passover, which you just said, was part of the Exodus story.
That's right.
It's part of how the Exodus story resolves.
One of the main conflicts resolves.
How does God get them out of Egypt?
The whole event, so we call Passover. God's final plague,
the tenth plague, putting the blood on the doorway. And that's the Passover feast that every year you celebrate.
Yep, that's right. It's not random, and the gospel others didn't make this up.
Jesus chose that time to go to Jerusalem, and He knew he was going to get killed.
He kept talking about it to his followers and they really didn't understand what he was trying to tell them.
So not only that, but then on the night before his arrest,
he chose to time it in proximity to the actual Passover meal,
like the ritual meal that had been celebrated every year for over a thousand years, connected
to the night they were delivered from Egypt.
And then Jesus explained the meaning of His life leading up to that point and of what
was about to happen in His death in terms of the actual, like bread and the wine, of
the Passover meal.
So Passover is of huge significance if we want to understand Jesus.
And Passover is like a linchpin moment in the Exodus story.
I guess what would be an analogy? It would be someone choosing a certain holiday whose meaning
is so packed to everyone and then they do on that day something that gives a twist and
they don't have to use words.
Well the one that's not a twist is getting married on Valentine's Day.
That's just on the nose.
Yeah, totally.
Yep, on the nose.
You know, in a sense that would have been a great move.
Just get both celebrations done on one day.
That's right. And it just clears up the confusion. Just get both serrations done in one day.
And it clears up the confusion.
Like if there's any confusion about like,
isn't every day Valentine's Day?
Or is it just like, no, let's bind them together.
I guess this is making up something fictional,
but if somebody in America, that's our context,
wanted to start a new political or social movement
and choosing July 4th, which marks, you know, a war of independence.
Yeah, yeah.
That's where we celebrate independence in America.
That's right.
So, choosing that day, especially if they didn't even, the person or the group starting,
it didn't even have to provide comment.
Ah, everyone would know.
It's so clear. Okay.
So, Jesus choosing Passover as the week of the showdown and Passover meal to explain the
meaning of His death, and that's why Jesus' words are so short and cryptic.
This is my body, He says of the bread, Passover bread.
This is my blood, He says of the wine.
Yeah. Those were known symbols.
It's easy to forget those were Passover symbols before they became communion symbols.
That's right. Yeah, or their meaning as communion symbols is the twist on the meaning that they have
as Passover symbols. So just that one right there, like what is more foundational than the story of
Jesus' death and the meaning of his death in the Lord's
Supper? And the Lord's Supper is a Passover meal. And to understand the meaning of the meal and a
Passover, you need to understand what's going on in the Exodus story. So, for me, that's low-hanging
fruit. Like, oh, I should probably understand the meaning of the Exodus story if I want to gain a
deeper understanding into the meaning of Jesus' death and of the Lord's Su If I want to gain a deeper understanding into the meaning
of Jesus' death and of the Lord's Supper, which is a ritual that most Christians do
on a weekly or monthly or some kind of rhythmic basis. Here's another interesting fact that
underscores the importance. The words salvation and redemption, I think are fairly significant
to the vocabulary of a follower of Jesus.
Yeah, particularly salvation, that was a really important word for my tradition growing up.
These are words that are introduced in the Exodus story, in terms of your reading from
Genesis page 1. There's a couple uses of the root word salvation in
Genesis, but they are used most frequent and with their most kind of intensity in the Exodus
story.
You're talking about if you're reading through the Bible, you're not going to run across
that word until you get to the Exodus story.
The idea of rescue or salvation appears one time in Genesis in a poem, not in a story, but the first time
it appears in a story with an actual story of salvation that's an event that's referred to as
a salvation story. It's the Exodus. It's the rescue of Israel leaving their land of slavery
into a land of freedom. And that's when the Egyptian armies are storming down the hill
and they go into the sea, which seems like certain death, and then the waters part.
And then those same waters that provide a pathway to life for the Israelites are the means of death
for the Egyptian armies. And that event is called Yahweh's salvation. Salvation refers to rescue out of danger. You probably told me that eight years ago.
And it's still hard for me to just remember that's what salvation means at its base.
Rescue from danger.
Rescue from danger.
It's always reorienting to me in a helpful way.
And then the question becomes, well, what's the danger and what's the rescue?
That's right.
And who's the rescuer?
Who's the rescuer? And who's the rescuer?
And then redeem appears for the first time in Exodus chapters three and six.
So redemption is a word that actually comes from the economic marketplace about the purchasing
of a slave's freedom.
You redeem a slave's freedom.
That's right.
Yeah.
And we kind of still have that meaning when we use the word in modern English, like you
redeem a token, a coupon.
Yeah, and you're like, I have something that has value, and I'm going to go redeem it in
place of the thing that I am here to get.
We say you're redeeming the coupon, but you're really redeeming the bag of groceries that
the coupon entitles you to.
The grocery store has these items on its shelf in its possession, and I have this token or
coupon and I redeem it and then I get the item.
So wouldn't it be more appropriate to the original meaning of the word to say you're
redeeming the box of cereal that the coupon's for?
But we say you're redeeming the coupon.
Yeah, but it's shorthand for, it's like a redemption token
to buy the freedom of the cereal.
So that's the economic term used about the liberation
of the Israelite slaves from Egypt.
So the Exodus story provides like a template
for both of those words.
Somebody is in the
possession of another or they are owned by another and their freedom is purchased with
some token of redemption. And so, they are redeemed. That template becomes a template
that can be reused throughout the biblical story and who's in possession of whom, who's
the redeemer, what's the token or the sign
of redemption. All those things can get swapped out. Who's a slave to what?
Yes. Yeah.
Who's in danger of what?
Yeah. And the same for salvation then, who's the threat, who's threatened, what's the danger and
what's the form of the rescue? Yeah. But that's sort of like their story template
and what's the form of the rescue. Yeah, but that's sort of like their story templates
that are given their definition here in the Exodus story.
So, redeem is used in Exodus 6 for the first time,
which is where God says to Moses,
say this to the Israelites, I am Yahweh,
I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians,
that's using the image of a yoke you put on oxen to make
them work for you. So treating people like animals, which is what the whole model of
slavery is, is treating humans like work animals. I will free you from being slaves to them
and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and mighty acts of justice.
Okay. Purchase your freedom.
Purchase your freedom, yep. And then salvation appears first in Exodus 14, and it's the moment
the people are freaking out standing at the seashore watching the Egyptian armies come after them.
Yeah.
And Moses says to the people, Exodus 14, 13, don't be afraid, stand still and watch the salvation
of Yahweh that He will accomplish for you today. There you go. So, these are pretty
important words. And they appear first and are given their main definitions by means of the story. Here's the Here are some other interesting things about the Exodus story. Within the Bible itself,
it is the event that is most referred to by later biblical books and authors. So you remember how years ago we did a series on
the most re-quoted or referenced verse within the Bible was from Exodus also,
the character of God poem in Exodus 34, verse 6 and 7. So similarly, the Exodus story, which again
is that liberation, rescue through the waters,
through the wilderness, into the promised land, that storyline is referenced, referred
to more than any other story, more than even the seven-day creation story.
That's really fascinating.
Yeah, it is a long story.
There's a lot to reference.
Yeah, true.
It covers, yeah, multiple books of the Hebrew Bible. And you can actually do this with
a pretty quick concordance search because there's two key phrases introduced in the story itself,
the phrase to go out from Egypt, the Hebrew verb, yadzah, to go out of, and then to go out from Egypt, or the phrase to go up from Egypt. So consistently, to go from
Israel-Palestine to Egypt was referred to as going down, Yarad, to go down to Egypt. And then
to go from Egypt to the land of Israel is to go up. So that phrase to go out of Egypt or to go up from Egypt, that phrase appears 99 times.
Those two phrases, one of those two phrases appears 99 times within the Book of Exodus itself.
And then as you move on, the phrase to go out of Egypt or to go up from Egypt, referencing back,
like these are mentions of the Exodus story going back. 17 times in Leviticus, it's
referenced. In the next scroll of the Torah, of numbers, 32 times the departure from Egypt
is mentioned. In Deuteronomy, it's mentioned 56 times. So just within the Torah itself,
after it happens, we're referring back to it.
All the time.
Yeah, all the time.
And as you go on, it's mentioned 18 times in Joshua, it's mentioned two times in Judges,
23 times in 1 and 2 Kings, it's mentioned 35 times in the prophets, Isaiah, Sir Malachi.
And that's just referring to the event.
There are almost 20 times within the Torah and the prophets where this phrase is used,
I am Yahweh who brought you out of Egypt.
So almost 20 times from Genesis on through Kings and then in the prophets, Isaiah, Malachi,
20 times Yahweh defines his identity as the Exodus God.
Yeah, that's His calling card.
Yeah. So, it's sort of like saying there's an event that so defines who I am to you.
I'm trying to think of an analogy or like a silly equivalent. Well, actually, so there's
sometimes in parenting where I'm trying to pull ultimate rank, I'll just be like, you exist because of me.
Please, please help us clear the table.
Something like that.
I am your father.
I am your father, yes.
It's that kind of move.
Yeah, or what's very common in the workplace is your title.
I am the, and then you just,
the position that you have in the company.
That's right, yeah, but here the point is the position
is defined by an event that took place
in the history of a relationship.
Yeah, yeah, someone always kind of went around
and was like, guys, you remember?
I'm the guy that landed that deal. Yeah, totally. Remember, and you're like, yeah, we hear about it every like, guys, you remember, I'm the guy that landed that deal.
Yeah, totally.
Remember?
And you're like, yeah, we hear about it every day, John.
You tell us about the deal that you landed.
Totally.
It's that co-worker.
It's that co-worker.
So, yeah, that's it.
Yeah, anyhow, that's it.
I am Yahweh who brought you up out of Egypt.
Yeah, it's very significant.
Yeah. Not only is that past event so significant, it's like an identity forming type of story
where it actually becomes a model for how we think about our family story in the present and on,
again, into the future. So what's interesting is as you read on into the prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah,
Ezekiel, when they anticipate what Yahweh is going to do again in Israel's future,
they anticipate it being some kind of repetition or renewal of or replaying of the Exodus story.
And sometimes they are very explicit about it. I'll just quickly scan two
passages here. So one is in Isaiah 11, which is a passage about the rise of a new king from the
line of David, who will be anointed with God's Spirit and wise and bring justice and so on.
And then it says in verse 11 of Isaiah 11, it will happen on that day that Yahweh will again
extend His hand a second time. So that
second time right there, He's gonna send out His hand, which is a key phrase.
In the Exodus story, a key phrase is God extending His hand or Moses extending His hand on behalf
of God.
To rescue them.
To rescue.
Yeah, the image is like they're enslaved and God reaches out His hand to grab them and
pick them up and take them out. So He's going to do it...
So that's the first time.
That's the first time.
Yeah.
And Isaiah says, He's going to do it a second time to acquire, which is a synonym of redeem,
to acquire the remnant of His people that's left in Assyria and Egypt and Pothros and Kush
and Elam and Shinar and Hamathath. He's naming all of these lands where
the people now are scattered in exile. Okay. That exile is their own slavery.
It's like a new slavery. It's a new slavery.
It's a new, yep, a new enslavement. And he will gather up the outcasts and gather the scattered
ones of Judah from the four corners of the earth. So, all the nations are the new Egypt,
and He's going to send out His hand, verse 15, and Yahweh will divide the sea of Egypt.
You're like, wait, He just said that they're scattered in all nations.
Yeah, there's a lot of seas we're going to need to divide.
Yeah, but notice we're using the sea of Egypt as like a symbol now for any and all obstacles
that will be in the way. All the chaos waters.
All the chaos waters will become like the Sea of Egypt. And he'll wave his hand over the river,
which is likely a reference to the Euphrates River that you'd have to cross if you're coming from
Babylon or Assyria. He'll send his scorching wind. Verse 16, there'll be a highway from Assyria for the remnant of his people,
just as there was for Israel when they came up from the land of Egypt.
Mm-hmm. Okay.
So, it's very explicit.
This is a new Exodus.
Yeah, new Exodus. So, really what I'm hoping for this video is to explore what is the template
that's being laid out in the first Exodus story. What's the main story beats that make that story what it is?
And then how does that story become a template
that can get reused and recycled and replayed
for later biblical stories leading up to Jesus's story?
And then what we're gonna see is that
after Jesus gave his followers his story
as an Exodus-shaped story, they then, the apostles, began to retell the story of the
universe as a great big cosmic Exodus story. And in essence, to have a Christian view of
reality is to have an Exodus-shaped view of history and of reality.
Big history.
Yeah, like the whole story of all reality is something like an exodus story.
And that's why I think this matters, is that it's not just Jesus, but then also the apostles
who gave like the foundational language for what is the messianic Jesus inspired vision of human life and history.
What is that? And I think we call it Christianity.
At least some forms of it. And lo and behold, it's an exodus shaped view of reality.
And that begins life in how the prophets use the Exodus story as a template for what they saw God was going to do in Israel's future.
They're the first ones to use it as a template?
Yes, yeah, the prophets, yeah. And then what's cool is as you go back, you begin to see stories in the Torah and prophets
that have been given an Exodus template shape in the telling of the story itself. So in a way, the seven-day
creation story has within it all of this vocabulary that are all like wink-winks moments forward
from the narrator already laying the tracks for the Exodus story. The creation narrative
is a kind of Exodus story. The liberation of Abraham from Egypt and of Sarah from the house
of Pharaoh, the liberation of Hagar and Ishmael from the oppressive home of Abraham and Sarah,
is depicted as an Exodus in Exodus language. The cycles of the judges, the imprisonment of
Israel to Solomon and the sons of David is depicted as an Exodus story.
Pete Slauson You mean when he started enslaving Israelites to do the work?
Jared Slauson The kings of Israel become depicted like a kind of pharaoh so that now God has to
send prophets, new Moses's to confront the kings of his own people, to liberate them from slavery
to their own kings. So, all of a sudden, like, you can go to all the parts of the Hebrew
Bible and the New Testament and you just see the Exodus everywhere.
Okay.
So, essentially, that's what the rest of the series is going to be about.
Exodus everywhere.
That's right, Exodus everywhere. I think that's the main point.
To be a follower of Jesus, there are actually, other than the creation story and the Jesus
story, there isn't really another story that's more important to spend some time focusing
on to really understand the essence, I think, of who Jesus is, who He explained Himself
to be, and then what it means to view reality
as one of His followers, to view my life and all of history.
All of it is Exodus-shaped.
One biblical scholar I learned from is named Brian Estell, who wrote a wonderful book about
this very topic.
It's a book called Echoes of Exodus, Tracing a Biblical Motif.
He puts it this way. He says the Exodus motif
is the Bible's grand narrative. And it is one of the best stories because it encompasses
all the major aspects of God's work of salvation through Christ. Redemption from sin, suffering,
and from the tyranny of the devil. It's an exodus from Egypt and from Pharaoh, bringing
us into the presence of God, represented in Mount Sinai, the wilderness wanderings as
a pilgrimage towards a special place, the possession of the land of Canaan, ultimately
symbolizing entitlement in the world to come, in order to become a unified, holy people
in a place where they might worship God perpetually.
All of this is an Exodus story.
Wow.
And he just painted an outline of like basic Christian belief right there. But But all of this raises the question of, okay, the Exodus story is foundational, it's important,
but what events are we referring to?
Like what's the template?
Yeah, because he just went through a bunch of events.
Yes, yeah.
So here's a fascinating fact. I think most of us, and it may be just because
you and I grew up with the Prince of Egypt, we tend to think of the Exodus story as referring
from enslavement to liberation through the waters.
Yeah, with the first half of Exodus.
The first half of the scroll of Exodus.
The scroll of Exodus, that's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Once they get through the waters, you know, the movie ends.
It's like then they're on their way and they're free.
Yeah, that's right.
The movie ends.
What's interesting is when you look at the Exodus story is referred back to multiple
times.
When later biblical authors retell the foundation story of Israel, they don't stop at the liberation
from the waters. They typically refer to the
whole arc from slavery into the promised land, so really from Exodus to Joshua. Especially
helpful here are like in the Psalms, there will be Psalms that recite the foundation
story of Israel as for why they should praise God or why Israel should trust God. So I'm thinking
about Psalm 78, 105, 136, and those all go from slavery to entry into the promised land.
And sometimes they'll tell it in just a few phrases. But it seems like for later biblical
authors, that's the art. So it's both an exodus, a road out of Egypt.
So the Greek phrase exodus is a road out of, and then a phrase road into is es-had-as.
So the biblical authors think of an exodus and a es-had-as, a road out of slavery and
a road into abundance in the promised land. And that seems to be the ark.
The whole ark. The whole ark.
The whole ark.
That's the Exodus.
And when you watch the prophets recall it, they recall the whole ark. But they think
of it in a series of beats. And so, this is, I want to just introduce this like a little
melody here right now.
And then we're going to see...
How does the whole ark work?
Yeah, how does the whole ark work? And it works in three basic movements, and it works kind of geographically.
So there's a liberation from slavery, what you leave behind.
That's the road out.
It's the road out.
And there's a whole bunch of things that happen to make that liberation happen, but that's
beat one.
Beat number two is then the passage in between, through the wilderness.
Okay.
And a bunch of things happen in the wilderness.
The road within.
But the road, like the path, the road between.
The road between.
The road out, the road between, and then into the promised land to be with God.
Okay.
The road in.
That's the road in.
The road out, the road between, the road in.
Out of slavery, through the wilderness, to the promised in. The road out, the road between, the road in. Out of slavery,
through the wilderness, to the promised land. Okay. That's the Exodus proper.
That's right.
So, calling it Exodus, you're referring to it by its first beat, really.
That's a good point.
Should we call it something else? I mean, it's not the Jewish way of referring to it, right?
I guess that's a decision that we can make right now.
I'm just putting this reality in front of us, and I think we need to sort this out.
What do we want the video to be about?
When the prophets refer back to it by using hyperlinks, the phrases they typically use are?
Well, we just looked at an example in Isaiah 11, and notice he says,
Well, we just looked at an example in Isaiah 11, and notice he says, he begins with, the Lord will extend his hand a second time to acquire the remnant of his people that are-
Yeah, that's the road out.
That's the road out. He will divide the sea and make it passable by foot.
So, I guess that's a rescue. It's after they leave Egypt, but then it's a rescue out of-
Yeah, that's kind of still the road out.
Still the road out. And there will be a highway from Assyria for the remnant of its people.
That's the road between.
The road between.
It's a brief reference, but he's referencing the road between. Here, here's a reference in Hosea,
chapter 2, which is in the setting of the prophet's complicated relationship
with his wife, Gomer, who he married and then she left him for another man and become a sex worker,
a prostitute. And then that becomes an analogy for Yahweh and the people of Israel. And so after Gomer has left and Israel is depicted as that unfaithful wife,
what Yahweh says is, chapter 2 verse 14, look, I am going to lure her, that is Israel, and bring
her into the wilderness. So here the ex hadas, the road out, is just referred to in one little phrase. I'm going to lure her out of her unfaithfulness, which is a kind of slavery.
Okay.
And here the focus is-
Into the wilderness.
Into the in-between place.
Yeah.
And there in the wilderness, I will speak kindly to her.
Then I will give her vineyards and the valley of Achor, which is the Hebrew word for trouble, which is an event that happened
in the book of Joshua connected to a guy named Achan, who got Israel in trouble in Joshua.
In other words, this valley where a terrible thing happened will pivot and become a door
of hope. And she will sing there as in the days of her youth, just as in the day when
she came up out of Egypt.
So the vineyards, this new place of hope, that's the road in.
That's like the new promised land.
That's the new promised land.
So this is all referred to as coming up out of Egypt, but the focus here is the road in between and then the road into.
So it's kind of a package, because you don't leave something without having a destination
go.
I guess you can.
You can leave something and not know where you're going.
Some of the greatest adventures begin that way.
Not all who wander are lost.
Do you know that comes from the Lord of the Rings?
We read that story as a family and I remembered.
Does Aragorn say it?
Gandalf, the sage wizard, says it about Aragorn, who's
sort of like the underdog king, thank you. Because he doesn't look or act like a king.
And his image for that is not all who wander or lost.
Isn't that great? Anyway, in this story, you don't leave somewhere without knowing where
you're going. And so the exodus, the road out story implies that there will then be a road between that
will result in the road into the land.
And I guess the reason why this is significant is in just those two passages we saw, biblical
authors when they refer back to the whole story arc, there'll almost always be some
reference to the going out of Egypt. But then
what they might focus on is the road in between. Where they might focus on the road into the
new land, but there'll always be some language or imagery about the road out of. So sometimes
it'll just be the road out of that's the focus. But other times they'll mention the road out,
but really what they want to use is some imagery from the road in between.
And we've really latched onto this word, the road.
But is that the right decision?
Yeah, the highway.
The highway.
The road.
Okay.
The path.
The path.
Yeah, narrow is the path.
Yeah.
Hmm.
I guess, you know what's funny?
The idea of doing a video like this was in my mind. I
brought it to you in the first list of videos.
When you pitched to me the idea of doing a project like this.
Ten years ago now.
This was one of the videos. And we actually started one. I've actually been trying to
find the doctor.
Oh, really?
Yeah. Or at least I remember working on the idea to
show it to you and we just ended up never doing it. So it's been in the works for a
while, but this has always been a question for me of how we would pull it off. Like,
will we just make it the Prince of Egypt version of the story? Or do we try and find a way
to do it the way the biblical authors seem to, which is to, the whole story in three
beats can be called
a kind of Exodus story.
Anyway, we don't have to solve that right now.
To go back up to the quote though, he's got Sinai in there.
Yeah, yeah.
That's interesting because I guess that's during the between.
It's in between, yeah.
But it feels like more significant than just the between moment. Yeah. Mount Sinai represents, you know, a one-year stop in the wilderness on their way
to the Promised Land. And it contains the two key moments of entering the covenant partnership
with God and then Israel becoming filled with the presence of God living in their midst.
Those are the two iconic moments of Sinai.
But it's very much a temporary stop on the way to the...
Is it a subplot to the Exodus or is it like, is it the hinge?
Is it pivotal?
Well, the liberation out of slavery is about God forming and creating a people.
The moment that happens on the road in between is those people are invited to become God's
covenant partners among whom He dwells.
That's the key events there that all are about Sinai.
And then the road into is there to go into the land.
And then getting the tabernacle and getting...
Exactly. That's about God dwelling in their midst.
Yeah, okay.
So, think of it as like getting married and moving in together.
They're covenant partnerships. Yahweh and Israel gets married in Mount Sinai.
And then Yahweh comes to dwell, to live with them in the middle of the camp. And that's the
tabernacle.
Because you could imagine that that story would be the road in. Like, we're in the promised
land, now the wedding feast. Now the like, God's presence is amongst us.
Totally.
It's now happening.
Yeah, exactly.
Now we've made it.
Yeah. In other words, you might think the story would go, let's go out of slavery, through the wilderness, into the promised land,
and that's when we get married and God comes to live with us.
Yes.
And instead what happens is the marriage and the living together happens in between,
not when they're landed. And once they do get landed, it's an absolute disaster.
Yeah.
And once they do get landed, it's an absolute disaster. Yeah.
And the marriage fractures and the house that they built to live in together forever gets burned down.
Jeez.
Yeah.
So what's presented as permanent is actually not land and temple and dynasty and kingdom.
What's presented as permanent is the partnership and the presence of God
with His people, even in the wandering wilderness. It's interesting. That's actually really important,
which is why we're going to dedicate another video and whole podcast series to just the
wilderness.
Okay.
Yeah. Each of those three movements, the road out of slavery, the road through the wilderness,
the road into the land.
It's all Exodus. It's all into the land. It's all Exodus.
It's all one story arc.
It's all one story arc.
And each one of those three movements kind of has a, like a drop-down list of key
events that define that moment. So, for the road out of, there's a moment where
the blessing of God turns into oppression and slavery. For the good turns
into bad. So God raises up a rescuer. There's always a rescue figure in the midst. There's
some confrontation that God makes with the oppressor that results in evil being decreated
and the oppressed being recreated and formed as his people and rescued in some way.
And then there's a rescue and then there's a meal and a song of celebration. The meal being
Passover and the song of celebration being the song that people sing after they're rescued.
And that is Exodus 1 through 15 right there. It's the road out of. That's the Prince of Egypt.
Yeah.
Then through the wilderness, there's a couple of key images.
There's the image of Israel being guided through the wilderness by the glory cloud.
And the pillar of fire.
Yep.
Being provided bread and water in the wilderness.
And then what we just discussed, the covenant that God makes with Israel and then God living
among them in the form of the tabernacle, God's presence.
That's the road in between.
God rescues slaves, He makes them His family, and then the road into the promised land is
all about the inheritance and the promised land is most consistently referred to as an
inheritance of this new mountain
fruitful garden land. And the covenant, it's all about living as the family of God to be
representatives to God, to the nations. That's the basic idea.
Blessing unleashed.
Yeah, it's sort of like back to blessing again. So the blessing with which we started now is restored in the promised land.
So, where we're going from here is I want to walk through two sets of stories in Genesis
that have been clearly designed with an eye towards the Exodus story that comes later.
Okay.
So you could call them pre-Exodus, sitting right there in the seven-day creation
stories in the flood, or both designed with an eye towards the Exodus story to prepare
you for it. So, that's where we should go next.
Thanks for listening to this episode of Bible Project Podcast. Next week, we're going to
look at two stories in Genesis that foreshadow the Exodus story.
It seems that the authors of the shape of Genesis wanted us to see the Exodus itself
prefigured and anticipated by key events in the story of Genesis.
In the seven-day creation story, you can think of creation as a liberation from chaos and
nonbeing into the blessing of the abundant garden land.
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