BibleProject - God as the Generous Host (Re-Release)
Episode Date: October 7, 2024The Bible begins with a portrait of God as an amazing and generous host to humanity, an image that is on full display in the Genesis creation narrative. But the humans ruin the party in Eden by believ...ing the lies that God is stingy and withholding. In this re-released episode from 2019, Jon and Tim start at the beginning of the Bible, where God seeks to be generous and gracious, and where humans respond with suspicion, greed, jealousy, and murder.View more resources on our website →TimestampsChapter 1: Always One Horrible Choice From Ruining the Party (00:00-15:04)Chapter 2: A Noble-Looking Way to Ruin Abundance (15:04-26:47)Chapter 3: The Chosen and the Onlookers (26:47-39:17)Referenced ResourcesYou can find our Generosity theme video here.Check out Tim’s library here.You can experience our entire library of resources in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music“Spiral” by KV Twin“Leche 005” by Matthew Halbert-HowenBibleProject theme song by TENTSShow CreditsProduction of today's episode is by Dan Gummel, producer; Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer and remixed this episode for re-release. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.
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Hey everybody, this is Tim at The Bible Project and you're listening to The Bible Project podcast.
Last week, John and I started a new conversation about the theme of generosity in the story
line of the Bible.
This is connected to a new video that we're making at The Bible Project.
In the last episode, we explored some of Jesus' most famous
teachings about freedom from anxiety and learning about the generosity and abundance that God has
in store for His people. Jesus walked around with this deep conviction that despite all of the pain
and suffering that He saw going on in the world, despite all the pain and suffering that he himself experienced. He still believed that Yahweh, the God of Israel, the creator of heaven and earth,
is an extremely generous host who has given an overabundance of resources and opportunities
to all of us. Jesus was able to manage that tension and think it through because you can
see in his teachings his heart and his mind were soaked in the Hebrew scriptures and specifically the portrait of the generous God
in Genesis chapters one and two. So that's what we're going to look at today. We're going to
explore the creation story in Genesis one and how it portrays God as an extremely
generous host who's packing creation full of abundance and opportunity. We're also going to
look at the story of Adam and Eve, how they forfeit and take advantage of God's generosity. And then
we're going to go into the next story outside of Eden. We're going to explore the story of Cain
and Abel. One way to think about it is a story about one person who gets angry about God's seeming
generosity to another. How do you respond when you feel like God's seeming generosity to another.
How do you respond when you feel like God's being more generous to somebody else, but not to you?
And that raises an even more fascinating question that keeps getting focused on throughout the storyline of the Bible.
The concept of God choosing a whole line of people and being extremely generous to them, the family of Abraham.
John and I explore the topic of election and why it is that God seems to be generous to some
more than He is to others, or maybe we're just thinking about this all upside down.
We're going to explore these questions and more today on the podcast. So thanks for joining us,
and here we go.
and more today on the podcast. So, thanks for joining us and here we go.
So, we're talking about the theme of generosity in the storyline of the Bible. You twitched a little when you said theme. You're still not there. You're still not a theme.
I might convince myself by the time we're done with this conversation.
Great.
Yeah, we're talking about generosity in the storyline of the Bible.
Yeah.
We're gonna make a video.
We've been pondering along with Jesus and the poets of the Psalms, the portrait of God
as a generous host in Genesis 1.
This image of God throwing this amazing party.
Yeah.
You show up into existence at an amazing party.
You wake up. You wake up in another place. Not just you go to someone's house. You literally, you show up into existence at an amazing party. Yeah, you wake up.
You wake up at another party.
Not just you go to someone's house,
you literally, you wake up.
But let's say you did go to someone's house
for an amazing party.
And everything's hosted, it's amazing,
all these, everything's a gift.
You're not gonna worry.
You're gonna have a good time.
Yes, yeah, sure.
Right?
You're not sitting there like,
oh well, how do I make sure I get enough drinks?
And like, you know, where's my
little corner of this party? I better grab three from the tray when the person walks by. Wait,
that person's using the hot tub? Like I thought, oh darn it. Oh wait, there's five more over there.
Yeah, that's good. You're not worrying. That's Jesus just saying like... That's Jesus in Luke 12. Like, if you really believe this God's a host of an amazing event,
you're just gonna enjoy the event.
Mm-hmm.
Which then also feels careless when it comes to suffering,
but that's what we're gonna talk about,
is why is there suffering at an amazing event?
That's right.
Surely Jesus obviously isn't a stranger to suffering and death.
Yeah.
Look at what happened to him.
And of course, he grew up in a beautiful land of abundance,
northern Israel-Palestine, but that
was full of impoverished Jews because of the Roman occupation.
So how can he foster this worldview
in that kind of setting? Well,
the story on which Jesus was raised offers a powerful explanation for why there's such
poverty in a world of abundance. It's like you showed up to a party and all of a sudden you
notice people acting like they're not at a party and they're just doing all these weird things that you shouldn't do at a party.
Like they're like forming these factions and they're like, they're making sure certain people
don't have access to certain things. They like take the hors d'oeuvres trays. Yeah,
these are ours now. And then they begin to stack them in like the den. Yeah. And they only give
certain people access to the den. Yeah, then they block off the den from the rest of the people
and they form a little group.
Yeah. And everyone's like, what is happening?
Where's the host? Like, someone needs to take care of this.
Totally.
We need him to act and like come back and make sure this party goes right.
Okay, good. Ooh, let's make this a meta story.
Yeah. For... Okay, good. Ooh, let's make this a meta story
For okay, so that the banquet the banquet the banquet is Genesis one and then
You start seeing people steal or derv tray
And smuggle them into the den. Yeah, and then they form a little pack and then you start to ask yourself Like what why are they acting that way? Yeah. What's underneath that? What's the psychology?
Yeah, they should just be enjoying themselves with everyone else.
So foolish. Why are they being so short-sighted, such a limited perspective?
What would motivate people to act that way?
And Genesis chapter 3 offers us a portrait of why humans would do something like that.
Yeah.
And it actually begins a portrait that's going to be filled out in the storyline
of the Bible of why humans would steal the order of...
That's so good. I like it, John.
Yeah.
That's helpful.
Totally.
I'm taking this chocolate fountain for myself.
With the strawberries.
With the strawberries.
They're all mine.
This is ridiculous. What a ridiculous thing to think about.
Okay, so Genesis 3 opens, telling us that there is a snake there that's one of the creatures of the field that the Lord God had made.
That's the wording.
But it's more shrewd.
It's a little sharper than the rest.
He shows up at the party and he's like, you know what?
I think there's something more here we can do.
Well, remember this isn't an inherently negative word.
This word shrewd. It gets translated as crafty in all modern English translations.
Sounds negative.
But this word appears only elsewhere in the book of Proverbs
where it's a neutral or positive trait.
It's somebody who sizes up all the options and possibilities of a situation only elsewhere in the book of Proverbs, where it's a neutral or positive trait.
It's somebody who sizes up all the options
and possibilities of a situation
and can come up with really creative, clever solutions.
Yeah, in Strengths Finders, that's called strategic.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
Exactly.
The snake was more strategic.
And so he sees all of this abundance and something happens in him
that we're not told. It's not actually developed until later in the biblical story. You find out
why this creature did what it did. Yeah, this backstory of this creature.
Yeah. You have to wait, yeah, till Genesis 11 and then really Isaiah 13 and Ezekiel and Book of
Daniel. And we'll make a video about that. We'll make a video about that. But all that happens and he approaches the woman
and says the first thing he tries to undermine
is the trust that the host is generous.
Indeed, did God really say
that you can't eat from any of these trees?
That's ridiculous. He didn't say that.
It's the exact opposite.
But, and the woman corrects him,
no, no, it's the opposite.
We can eat from any, but just now the sentence,
now the option is out, the possibility is out there.
Now you're thinking it.
Now you're thinking it.
Don't think of pink elephants.
Yeah, now you're thinking about it.
Yeah, no, that's not what God said, right?
It's the power of suggestion.
That's right. Yeah. Even if it seems absurd or impossible, it becomes somewhat more possible once you say it out loud.
Once you say it out loud, once you plant the idea.
Yeah. Did God say you can't eat any of the food at the party? No, no, no. He said that we could.
Oh, yeah, actually, but there's that one thing that we are not supposed to eat from the tree that's in the middle of the garden.
Here it just assumes that you've internalized what knowing good and evil means and what it would mean to take that for yourself.
Notice what she says, but God said about that tree, you shall not eat from
it or touch it. Which God never said the touch thing, or you will surely die. The serpent
said to the woman, no, once again, oh no, no, no, that hors d'oeuvres plate is fine
for you to eat. Go right ahead. It's a different tactic now. First it was just that power of
suggestion. Now it's an alternative story.
Yeah.
Yeah. God told you, you're going to kill yourselves.
You're going to die if you cease to know and discern good and evil on your own wisdom.
Actually, that's not the case. Actually, the opposite is the case.
Here's what God knows but isn't telling you.
That when you eat from that, your eyes will be opened and you'll be like Elohim.
You'll be like the divine in the capacity to know.
And not just know, to know good and evil means then to define it, to make decisions about it.
I mean, we're only five verses in and it's the full deception package is right there.
Yeah.
You called the tree of knowledge, Ganevel, like an odour plate. And it's the full deception packages right there. Yeah.
You called the Tree of Knowledge Ganeval like an O'durv plate.
I did.
Where this story starts to feel weird or absurd
is like having an O'durv plate
in the center of the banquet table
and then saying, guys, just stay away from that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's something so central to this urge
to take control ourselves.
It is central, it's like always there right in the center.
That's a good point.
I pondered two times in Genesis one through three,
it's positioned in the middle.
In the middle of the garden.
The garden.
It's always bumping in.
It's highlighted.
Perhaps one way to think about that is
it's describing the ever-present
possibility of me to abuse my existence and the abundance or opportunity that I have.
It's ever-present. In other words, some people would say it's in the middle and they would
blame God for that. Why did he put it right there? Have you heard that line before?
Totally.
Yeah.
Why didn't you put it in a corner? Put it on the far edge.
Okay, I think I've heard you make that joke before.
Yeah, lock it up.
Yeah, totally.
The point is, but that's not true to human experience.
Human experience.
It's always present.
It's always a possibility for me to ruin.
Gosh, I think this all the time.
Either my kids will do this, you know,
we'll be having a great moment at dinner,
and then like one of my sons will just like,
August did this the other night.
He just was eating rice.
And we were in this great conversation
and then he just ejected it all out of his mouth.
Just spewed rice all over the table for no good reason.
He just wanted to know what would happen.
See what would happen.
And it's on my face and it's like,
oh, then this great conversation got, and it was over.
We're just one small choice away from ruining the party.
Okay.
Party foul.
Yeah, it's always present. It's in the middle.
John, thank you.
Yeah, right?
For some reason, that's locking in for me
in a way I haven't quite thought about it before.
Yeah, it's in the middle. I've thought about it in terms of that
you can't get from one side of the garden to the other
without walking by it. Yes, it's in the middle. I've thought about in terms of that you can't get from one side of the garden the other without walking by it. Yes, it's yes. And another way you could think about it is like no matter where you're looking in the garden, like it's in your field
of view. Yeah. It's like it's ever looming. Correct. Yes, yes. Reality. That's right. And so remember,
actually I want to do in our Genesis 1-2 series, I want to do a whole video about the tree.
Because sacred trees representing either the gift of life from the gods or sacred resources
from the gods.
This is a motif in ancient Near Eastern art and literature.
The tree of life, there's Egyptian trees of life and Babylonian, you can go find drawings
of them, Google them and you'll find them.
They're cool looking. So yeah, I think a biblical author is taking this motif and transforming it,
because knowing good and evil is also going to be the gift that the Torah presents to Israel.
What are they going to do with this gift of knowing good and evil that God's given them through the Torah, are they gonna follow it? Are they gonna abuse it? The gift of wisdom in the Book of Proverbs.
The wisdom is a tree of life. The Torah is a tree of life. The Torah is a tree of life. That's
right. That's how the Book of Proverbs frames it. Yes, my Torah is a tree of life, the Father says in the speeches in Proverbs 1-9.
And so the tree and the Torah...
And so not following the Torah would then be the tree of knowledge.
Yeah, it would be taking the tree and reducing it to my own wisdom.
And the same in Proverbs, it's rejecting the wisdom of your elders is the equivalent to
taking from the tree and defining good
and evil by your own wisdom. And that's an ever present possibility in every moment of
my existence is to ruin everything by a horrible choice. One horrible choice. I think about
that all the time.
You know what? Yeah, I think about that too. I remember years ago, I was talking with our colleague Ken
and he asked me this question.
He said, he's got the funniest questions sometimes.
He said, how many choices do you think you're away
from completely screwing up your life?
And it turned into like this thought experiment game.
And we're like, okay, how many?
And I'm thinking about it.
And I'm like,
is it four or five?
And then once we kind of worked through it,
we're like, we are one or two decisions away
from completely screwing up our life.
Ruining everything irreversibly.
Wow, it's terrifying.
It's terrifying.
It's a tree in the middle of the garden.
It's a tree in the middle of the garden.
Yeah, it is.
This is right there, ready to destroy you.
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, remember, our meta story is there's a group of people at the party.
Yeah.
They're locked up in the, we're doing the den or the pool room?
The pool room.
I like the pool room.
Okay, let's go pool room.
All right.
They've stolen half the hors d'oeuvres plates.
Yeah.
And you're thinking of why are they doing that?
Yeah.
Well, somehow, and let's say you can interview one.
Yeah. And they'll be honest.
Yeah.
They'll say, well, we began to become aware like.
This party will end one day.
This party will end.
And there may actually not be enough.
Yeah.
For everybody.
Yeah.
And we think it would be good for us to hoard up
hors d'oeuvres plates.
That seems wise.
Yeah.
In our eyes.
Yeah.
And so, sorry for you guys out there,
but we gotta think about our group.
You guys will figure it out too.
You'll figure it out.
There's enough out there still for you,
but we're gonna seal off ourselves.
Wow, that's a very different mentality
than when we all first showed up here.
Totally, yeah.
Such an interesting parable.
Yeah, it is.
You could have a conversation with that person,
and they could really convince you in a logical way.
Correct.
I'm sorry this is hard for you, but this is the right thing for us to be doing.
That's what I've got to do. I've got to look out for my group.
It's the good and right thing. And you can kind of go like, I guess I can see how you got there.
That's right.
Sucks for me though.
Yeah, Genesis 3, 6. When the woman saw that the tree was good for eating,
It's good.
A perfectly good tree, it was beautiful to the eating. It's good. Perfectly good tree. It was a beautiful to the eyes.
It's nice.
And that the tree was desirable.
This key, it's the word chamad in Hebrew,
that's the verb, or nechmad is the actual word,
but then it's from the root chamad.
It's the word to covet.
One of the 10 commandments, do not covet.
It's this word, desire, desire.
So the tree was covetable.
So do not covet could also be do not desire.
Correct, which doesn't sound right in English.
The idea, covet is actually a good English word there
because it's about illegitimate desire
for a thing that is not rightly mine
or that ought not to be mine.
So this tree is desirable for making me wise. So she took coveting, desiring and taking is the fundamental act here.
And then she ate and then she gave.
She's giving, oh how generous.
But no, after the desiring and taking, even giving is now tainted.
It's now been...
Yeah, with her and he ate.
It's just six verses we've looked at of Genesis,
but it's, yeah, a study in what people do with abundance,
the problem of abundance for selfish humans.
It's good.
Well, in a world of abundance,
in the nature of this reality,
there is also the ever-present potential to grew it up or to turn it inwards.
Or something potentially that can look more noble.
And it can look noble, and it will look noble.
To look out for me and mine.
Yeah, that's the thing.
To look out for me and mine.
Is the problem of twisting abundance into selfishness looks noble.
Yes.
Within a universe where there's not enough.
If my perspective on the universe is there's not enough.
Yes.
Then it makes perfect sense.
It makes perfect sense.
It's very noble.
Yes.
You're taking care of the people you love.
And that problem is represented in the image of a beautiful fruit tree in the center of the
garden.
Like God said, it's going to look good, but trust me, it will kill you.
That's the one that will destroy the party.
Yes, it is interesting.
Yeah, I'm interested in this limited perspective.
Again, back to where we began this, Jesus begins this teaching that ends with him saying,
therefore, sell your stuff and give it away.
Yeah.
Because it's going to corrupt your perspective because the more stuff you have, the more you're
going to be thinking about how there's not enough. It's like it'll foster the opposite mindset,
but the abundance creation mindset of the biblical story will free you to enjoy the party.
That's interesting. There's two approaches to seeing the world.
And in one, it so clearly seems absurd
that you would hoard things
or store up things for you and your group
in a way that deprives others.
That doesn't make any sense in Genesis 1 mindset.
Wouldn't it be interesting to show up at that party?
And it's already, and it's well into the party.
It's like, and things have been pretty established
of like all this weird stuff happening.
People in the pool room, people in the den.
Oh, got it.
There's the groups holding up in different rooms.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
People are just kinda,
they're not acting like it's a party anymore.
But you show up and you know, you know it's a party.
And you know that there is enough.
And that would be such a weird,
to then go into the pool room
and interact with those people.
You're trying to convince them.
You're trying to convince them,
well, there is enough.
And then for you to then go,
you just know the host is gonna bring more
and it's gonna continue.
And even all of this chaos
that we're creating, he's going to come and solve that too. Like, it's weird. You're going to be
like, I want to try to figure out how to enjoy the party, but also help you try to figure out
how to enjoy the party. Let's get this started again. Yeah, that's right. You know, it's funny,
we've already said this, but it's more clear to me in this moment,
that when you read those teachings of Jesus where He says, look at the ravens and look at the lilies,
and many, I have found myself included, many people, at least in our cultural setting,
we read that and it's hard for us. We're like, that sounds hippie.
Yeah, that's hippie.
Or irresponsible. But what's actually happening is just this clash of worldviews
where the reason it bothers me is because I don't actually hold that view of the world.
We've talked through the flow of Genesis 3 through 11 multiple times, but just think through it real
quickly with me in light of this abundance, generosity versus scarcity and taking mindset.
Genesis 4, Cain's jealousy and anger compels him to take the life of his brother.
So instead of focusing on his ability to give life by being a farmer of the ground, he's
angry.
Well, can we stop here on that?
This bugs me about the story of Cain Abel.
God is more generous to Abel than he is to Cain.
Well, he just looks with favor.
Yeah, well, what does that mean?
I gotta imagine that means,
okay, maybe I'm reading too much into this,
but you give an offering to God's
and the sense of all this is yours,
here's a symbol of that.
But you're doing it because you want another good harvest.
You want abundance.
Yeah, or you're saying thank you.
And you're saying thank you.
Or you're saying thank you for the harvest that we just had.
Oh, all they're doing is saying thank you, maybe.
But the expectation is favor.
Well, I think it's certainly,
it's a reciprocal kind of thing.
Yahweh sends rain, gives me abundant crops, and so I take these symbolic tokens
of my crop and I say thank you so much.
You think these were thank offerings that Cain and Naples were doing?
Ah, well at least, well Cain's offering, he's a worker of the ground.
Yeah.
Well they both offer a portion of their...
Correct.
That's right.
...harvest.
That's right.
Yeah, what he's offering is a grain offering, which in Leviticus is solely a thank you offering.
Oh, is that significant?
Well, it's not, it didn't atone cover for sins.
It wasn't a form of petition.
It was thank you.
Should I be thinking about that when I'm reading the story?
Oh, I think so.
I think so.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's...
Cain saying thank you. And that's Abel. No, that's Cain's story. He's saying thank you. Okay. Yeah. So that's... Cain saying thank you.
No, that's Cain's story.
He's saying thank you.
And Abel has the...
He brings, yeah, from the firstborn of his flock.
Yeah, and that's a sin offering.
The Passover sacrifice is a firstborn.
The Passover meal is a firstborn of the flock.
Yes, and again, this is Genesis 4.
All the language here is crafted with an eye
towards the depictions of sacrifice later on.
However, I don't think the story is trying to tell us
that one's sacrifice is better than the other.
Both are legitimate forms of sacrifice.
And I've heard you say that, and so I grant that.
But God shows favor towards one and not the other.
So what does that mean other than He is being more generous to one than the other?
Yeah, actually my current way of understanding it, but I have learned that these things develop
and change the more you ponder, is that it's an intentionally ambiguous gap in the narrative.
The favor.
The favor.
Because it's going to be developed throughout all the generations, why Abraham, but not
his brothers, his other two brothers.
Why did God choose him to be the vehicle of blessing?
Why Isaac, but not Ishmael?
And then certainly, why Jacob, whose name means deceiver?
And so it's the mystery, Genesis, I think is developing this portrait of the mystery
of why God chose one specific family out of all the families through whom to work.
And it's the mystery of election.
The whole theme of election in Paul's writing is all about this. And it's a very
old mystery. And the fact that God chooses one doesn't mean that there isn't more blessing
for others.
Yeah, well, so in the way I've been taught election growing up in the faith was it does
mean that. But that is interesting when you connect it to, you
connect it to this story of God choosing one person over another as a vehicle.
Yeah, for blessing for all the others.
For blessing for all the others.
That's the logic of the whole thing. Especially Abraham, especially dense in the Abrahamic
election.
But whenever I was taught and read election kind of stuff in the New Testament, it ripped
out of that context. I see.
And it's really just more about why do some people get to go to the party and others don't.
Okay, that's right.
Well, once you take election out of the biblical context and you put it into a, some people
go to the good place after they die, some people go to the bad place.
Who gets to go?
The ones that are pre-written in the script.
But that's a different story than the biblical story.
All right. That's certainly not what Paul has in mind. In Ephesians 1, he has in mind this story.
That's interesting.
About the family of Abraham selected out from all the nations to bring blessing to the others.
So, okay, so back to Cain and Abel.
I'm so sorry, Cain and Abel.
No, you were great. I did that and that was wonderful. That was helpful for me.
But to get back on track, the favor isn't so... I'm not supposed to be thinking like,
oh, God's hooking up one and not the other. He's being more generous to one than the other.
I mean, there is a sense...
There is a favor.
There is a favor.
Yep. But it doesn't mean that it's at the complete expense of the other person.
Yeah. Well, Cain experienced it that way.
He sure feels that way.
But is that a necessary response,
or is that just a limited perspective selfish response? It's actually very similar. Again, remember Genesis 4 and 3 are mirror stories of each
other. So, God's everything's fine. And then all of a sudden, the possibility is introduced
of, oh, but perhaps God's holding out on me. So, in Genesis 3, it's this-
Abel gets this thing. Abel gets this thing. What's God holding out on me. So in Genesis 3, it's this- Abel gets this thing.
Abel gets this thing.
What's God holding out on me?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Does that mean I don't get?
Well, what is it that I don't get?
The favor?
What does that mean for the future?
Does that mean in the same way that did God say, the snake says, did God say, don't eat
from any tree?
No, He didn't.
It's a limited perspective.
Did He?
Limited perspective.
Do I trust that God is good?
And even though my brother's experiencing something
I don't get to experience, do I still trust that in the end?
There are also good things for me too.
There's good things for me too.
What about when Paul says though,
Abel, I love, Cain, I hated?
Esau.
Oh, that was Esau and Jacob. Jacob and Esau.
Actually, Jacob and Esau becomes, through design patterns,
a really deep exploration of the Cain and Abel story.
Of the two brothers.
See how I got them mixed up in my head?
Yeah, exactly.
They're so mapped onto each other.
Yeah, that's right.
However, it's also clear that when Paul's quoting there,
he's quoting from Malachi,
which is refracting back onto the Genesis story through the lens of the whole history of Israel.
Because in Malachi, Jacob and Esau are tribal names of the whole tribes.
Okay.
So dude, Cain and Abel through Jacob and Esau become all developed through design patterns, the stories Israel
versus the Edomites through the story. And when Paul or Malachi looks back on the Cain and Abel
story, they do so through the lens of the whole story of Edom and Israel, Jacob and Esau, Cain
and Abel. And as if it's one thing, because it is in the final frame of the Hebrew Bible.
one thing, because it is in the final frame of the Hebrew Bible. And the loving and the hating, I think presently, at least as far as I understand that, it's a hyperbolic contrast.
Because that language makes it difficult for me to go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, actually here, because actually here, where Malachi is getting the
Jacob I love, but Esau I hated, is Malachi, dude, the Hebrew Bible is so awesome and complex.
It's actually using the language of how Jacob treated his two rival wives,
the older and the younger.
He loved the younger, but Leah, the older, was hated.
That's the line in the Jacob story.
He loved Rachel, but Leahia was the hated one.
Which doesn't mean he disliked her. It's a way, I think it's a...
Doesn't mean there was like all this animosity between them.
Yeah, I think it's a Semitic turn of phrase. At least I think.
It's another way to say he showed favor on one and not the other.
Yeah, it's a way, that's right. So could you in that Hebraic turn of phrase say
that Cain was hated and Abel was loved in this story?
Mm-hmm, I think so, I think so.
But not in the modern English way
that we talk about hate.
Exactly, mm-hmm.
At least I think that's the case.
I could be wrong about that.
I need to think about it more.
Either way, Cain feels like he's being hated on in our English
sense of the word. He clearly feels that way.
He's downcast.
That's right. Maybe to use our party parable, it would be that the host comes out and brings
a special hors d'oeuvre plate for the birthday boy. And then everybody else is like, what's
the deal? Why did they get that special plate?
Yeah, I know, I've got all these other plates here
that are available to me too, but they got that one.
Am I gonna get that one?
What if I don't?
Does that mean the host doesn't like me?
Why doesn't he like me?
I'm angry.
I don't know, something like that.
Yeah.
Well, you imagine the party has gone,
it's gotten so bad that the host is like,
okay, what am I gonna do here?
Okay, here's what I'm gonna do.
I'm just gonna find someone here at the party.
Yeah, that's right.
To like-
Help convince them of the real view of things.
Remind them of this is a party.
Get them living in the right way.
Well, sure, yeah, sure.
And then-
So I'm gonna hook one of these people up.
Yeah, I'm gonna give them more attention.
That's right.
I'm gonna bring them into my living room.
We're gonna chat about it.
I'm gonna tell them this is the way of a real party.
Totally.
And I need you guys to get on board with me.
And then we're gonna go,
and then everyone else is looking around like,
why are they getting all this favoritism?
Yeah, why do they get to go into the special room?
Why do they get, yeah,
why are they hanging out at the fireplace with the host?
Yeah, I want that.
Yeah.
Why didn't he choose me?
Yeah, now I'm angry because they got favor.
Yeah, yeah, now-
That's the, that's the Kane.
That's the Kane story.
Of like, God's spending some extra time with that guy.
Yeah.
That means he doesn't like me.
He must not like me.
And-
His whole scheme is trying to get the whole party started for everyone again.
That's right, that's right, yeah. And the whole party started for everyone again.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah.
And the host would be like, whoa.
Hold on.
There's like, there's something animating that within you that's like a brute problem.
Totally. And the host is thinking, no, I'm working out a plan to restore the order and shalom to the
party for everybody. Just wait a minute.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
And then the guy's like, no, no, I'm angry.
No, I'm taking this in my own hands.
That's right. Yeah.
I'm going to...
Yeah. And then he kills the favored, the one brought into the room.
Which is not going to go well for the party.
Makes the party even worse.
Now you got a murder scene.
Totally. Totally. Okay. So God says to that guy, the murderer,
man, you got to get out of here. You leave the party.
And so he leaves the building, he goes east and builds a city, builds his own house,
with his own counterparty.
Yeah, I'm going to take my toys and...
Except things don't go well there because people, Lamech shows up to his party and just
starts murdering people.
Yeah.
And then-
It's like, I know how you like to throw a party cane.
Yeah, totally.
That's really ramping up.
And then generations keep going by and then those descendants, it all leads up to the building
of the great anti-Edan party, which is the city of Babylon.
And once again, God said, be fruitful and multiply, fill the land.
And what they say is, no, no, no, there's not enough.
We got to all get in one place.
There's a fine line between a party and a mob.
Let's think this through with the Babylon story.
So they say, let's all get together as one so that we're not scattered out there in the land. And then let's build our own city and tower that ascends
up to the realm of the gods, the realm of God. And let's make a name for ourselves.
Let's provide for ourselves. And of course, God knows that that's going to go horribly.
And so he scatters them.
But once again, it's humans now providing for themselves.
We'll make our own city.
Don't want God to provide us with the party.
We're going to make our own party and it will have our name on the front door.
It's our city and it's our party.
And so the counter is...
If you can't join them, beat them.
Yeah, totally. So God scatters and then his counter is to take one group, again, one person.
Yeah.
One line.
He actually goes to another party and he's like, hey, can you help me out at this,
like get this other party back on track?
Yeah. And so this is the calling of Abraham.
Yeah.
The calling of Abraham.
You're gonna have to leave your party that you think is track. Yeah, and so this is the calling of Abraham. Yeah. The calling of Abraham. You're gonna have to leave your party.
That's right.
That you think is awesome.
Yeah, totally.
Which is really just turning into a disaster.
Totally, that's right.
I mean, we can't even, it doesn't even look like anything
close to a party now.
Yeah, your lifespan's gonna be really short
if you stay at that party, at the anti-Eden party.
So come back to Eden as a new human. Abraham and Sarah are a new Adam and Eve being invited
into a new type of Eden. And the poem that opens up the Abraham story is exactly that.
It's like the original party kind of like stopped. It's guarded by a sherabim now.
Yeah, right. I guess we're all kicked out.
Yeah, and God's like, we're going to start, but we we're gonna start again small. Yeah, yeah, start with one family.
And what God says is I'm gonna give you blessing,
blessing, blessing, blessing.
This is the able figure.
This is the person who-
Abraham?
Well, able.
Yeah.
As a type, the one who gets the favor.
That's right, that's right.
Who then is Abraham.
Correct.
Who is Jacob.
Is the one who gets the favor, who is the second born always, which is also interesting.
Okay, and it's not because God is being more generous to one than the other,
it's that he's got a plan.
He's got a plan and he's going to start with one.
He's going to start with one.
Because the promise that he makes to Abraham is, I'm going to bless you, bless you, bless you,
bless you. And the last sentence of the poem is, and in you all the families of the earth will
find blessing.
But he is starting with one.
And that's, again, we're back to the mystery of biblical election, which is God is on a
mission to say, to bless, restore blessing to all if they want it.
And he's going to start with one.
But his selection of that one presents
an ever-present choice for all those around.
Of envy.
Of envy, of anger, and that's what's being explored in every generation of the Book of Genesis.
There are people starting with Cain and Abel, actually starting with humans.
There are those observing around looking at the one God's chosen to be the vehicle
blessing for all. The onlookers are faced with a choice and in every generation there are those
who choose jealousy, anger, and violence. And God's response to... Think of the Joseph story.
And his response to Cain is, just do the right thing.
Yeah, yeah.
If you do good, you will be lifted up, he says.
Yes, you'll be exalted.
Which is not what you wanna hear when you like.
Oh, interesting.
When you're kind of, when you're feeling
like you're being left out of the party.
Wow.
Like, I don't know.
I'm feeling, like if I'm feeling unloved,
it doesn't seem like what I wanna hear is just like, just do the right thing.
But it's interesting that that's what God tells them.
Yes, Genesis 4-7.
Isn't it true that if you do good, lifting up, this is in Hebrew, hyper literal Hebrew.
Isn't it so that if you do good, lifting up, exaltation.
If you do good, you'll be lifted up.
Yeah, that's right. The point is that you'll be exalted too.
I'm favoring your brother right now,
but there is exaltation for you as well.
Just trust me and do the right thing.
Just keep party on.
Just party on.
All I'm asking you to do is enjoy the party.
I'm really enjoying this parable.
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