BibleProject - Jesus as the Ultimate Gift (Re-Release)

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

How is God’s generosity meant to change us? In the Bible, God’s gifts are intended to bring about transformation in our lives. This generosity challenges our natural tendencies toward selfishness,... calling us to live in a community that freely shares and truly loves one another. In this re-released episode from 2019, Tim and Jon explore the teachings of Jesus and the apostles on generosity and ponder the centrality of generosity to the Gospel itself.View more resources on our website →Timestamps Chapter 1: Indiscriminate Gifting (0:00-16:32)Chapter 2: Give to Your Enemies (16:32-33:35)Chapter 3: Grace and Gifts (33:35-45:01)Chapter 4: A Blank Checkbook from Jesus (45:01-56:21)Referenced ResourcesPaul and the Gift by John M. G. Barclay You can find our Generosity theme video here.Check out Tim’s library here.You can experience our entire library of resources in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music“Clouded Thoughts” by goosetaf“Reminisce (feat. HM Surf)” by goosetaf“Murmuration” by Blue Wednesday & ShopanBibleProject theme song by TENTS Show CreditsProduction of today's episode is by Dan Gummel, producer; Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer and remixed this episode for re-release. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is John Collins at The Bible Project, and this is our fourth and final conversation in a series talking about the theme of generosity in the story line of the Bible. God is the generous host of all creation. He created life in abundance, and He created humanity to share and extend that abundance. But what we find instead is that humans don't trust the host. We don't believe there's enough and we believe that we know the best way to create security in life for ourselves. But our way doesn't create life.
Starting point is 00:00:35 It creates mistrust, broken relationships, pain and death. We don't create abundance. We create Babylon. And God's response to the death and destruction of the world that He loves is to give it a gift. This is such a great way of thinking about the calling of Abraham in response to Babylon. It continues to give gifts that sow the seeds of a new creation. God wants this family to trust in His generosity and to become the blessing to every other family in the world. And as it turns out, they struggle. Now, if you think about it, it's a pretty odd strategy
Starting point is 00:01:12 that the Bible is claiming that God has. God keeps giving gifts to humans and humans keep ignoring and mistrusting him. But this is God's strategy. And the idea here is perhaps one of the most famous verses in the Christian Bible, John 3.16. God so loved the world that he gave. Matthew 2.16 This little one-liner, just summarizing the meaning of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection in the language of generosity and giving. God gave to his enemies. Matthew 2.16 So God gave the ultimate gift to humanity, Jesus Christ. And Jesus taught often on giving and generosity, saying things like, it's more blessed to give than to receive. So apparently the good life for Jesus actually has very
Starting point is 00:01:56 little to do with your economic situation. That there's some other definition of the good life that he's showing and that the Jesus movement is after. If he gives you security, it will be on a different level than economic security. So today, we get back to Jesus, how Jesus viewed the generosity of God and how Jesus is the generous gift of God to us. Thanks for joining us. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:02:30 So we're talking about theme of generosity through this storyline of the Bible and we are now going to talk about Jesus and his vision of what this generous thing God's doing. Yeah, but the Jesus part of generosity theme in the Bible is in direct response to iterations of the story that have come before it. Humanity, given the gift of existence and the world and the opportunity to partner, they squander that by fostering scarcity mentality and then hoarding and using resources for me and mine. I like how you summarized it.
Starting point is 00:03:01 You said there's a mistrust in the host, it led to a scarcity of mentality, which led to deciding to define good and evil on our own terms to take care of ourselves. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And then forgetting you do that long enough. Yeah, you do that long enough. Do that last step long enough.
Starting point is 00:03:16 And then you eventually forget that everything you have is a gift in the first place. You begin to think it's actually you and yours and you're responsible for it all. Look at what I've done. Look. The name I've made for myself. Yeah, yeah. Isn't this Babylon the Great that I have made in my power? Yeah. That's what Nebuchadnezzar says in Daniel. Yeah. You're just like, whoa. Until you think about my own mindset. I mean, I do that every day.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Yeah. Actually, one of the things I try to do is have little rituals of gratefulness in the first 30 minutes of every day. Oh, that's great. Yeah, usually it's in the forms of little prayers that I've collected over time. That's awesome. Yeah, it's just simple practice, but just every day they greet me as a gift, so why
Starting point is 00:03:57 not name it out loud when I wake up? Yeah. At the end of the day with Paxton and Sarah and my boys, I always ask them what they're thankful for before bed. Oh, that's good. Half the time they'll play along and they're thankful for their mom and for me and dip friends and stuff.
Starting point is 00:04:16 And then we'll just thank God for that and then they'll go to bed. But half the time there's like nothing. Or as Sarah says, nushin. I'm thankful for nushin. And then I just go, okay, well, I'll tell you what I'm thankful for, and then we pray for that. That's good. Oh, human nature. So in response to human abuse of the divine generosity, God chooses one family to give the super gift to the family of Abraham. Great abundance, great favor, rescuing them from
Starting point is 00:04:53 terrible enslaving empires and gives them the gift of a new Eden, so to speak, in the promised land. And it's also, the gift is unconditioned to Israel, but it's not unconditional. This is my little beef with the phrase, unconditional grace. It's not unconditional, it's unconditioned. What's the difference? Ah, if I give you a gift that's unconditioned, it means there's nothing that you've done to make me want to give you the gift. I'm just giving you the gift. There were no conditions. But once I've given you the gift. There were no conditions. But once I've given you the gift, there are conditions to show your gratefulness for the gift. I
Starting point is 00:05:31 give it to you. It's an unconditioned gift. It's a free gift. Given with great expectation of return. And that's for sure the set up with the land in the story of Israel. I guess that's the gift of co-ruling too, right? Like, there's nothing humans did to deserve to be co-rulers with God over creation. But now that we've been given that gift, it comes with these conditions, which is to trust His wisdom.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Yeah, yeah, and listen and obey. Yeah, this is a distinction made by a New Testament scholar named John Barclay, a really important book called Paul and the Gift. It's probably the most important study about the concept of grace in the New Testament that's been written in many generations. I've only read sections of it, but even just that little distinction, I think, helps clarify what we mean when we say free grace or pure grace, because both Moses and the apostles have pretty high expectations. Yeah. You don't have to read far into scripture to find expectations for how you deal with this grace.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Yeah, how you respond to the grace. But the grace was given to you without any conditions that you fulfilled to receive the gift. But now that you've been given the gift, there are expectations of return. What was the book again? Carclay? Paul and the Gift. Paul and the Gift. Yeah, it's a focus on Paul's letters, but as a gateway to the whole New Testament theology of grace. So, it's an unconditioned gift that has conditions once you've been given it, and that is be faithful to God's wisdom which includes be generous All these laws about to Israel about sharing the the goodness of the land with people who are in hard situations And the Exodus creating equal playing field. It's an interesting way to just think about life in general
Starting point is 00:07:20 Like why do I exist? Yeah, why am I conscious being conscious being with the body getting to live in the world? I didn't do anything. I just woke up and here I have it. It's unconditioned gift. But now that I have it, there's a responsibility of using it in a way that's good. Yeah, that imitates the generosity of the one who gave me the gift. And Israel's inability to imitate that or their refusal to imitate God's generosity is what landed them in exile and by the time of Jesus back in the land, but still very
Starting point is 00:07:58 difficult situation. And this idea of exile and slavery becomes a way to think about not just one nation in one particular time in history, it's a way for Paul to talk about just the human condition of being captured by evil. Greater forces and powers of evil that enslave us. That's the message of the Hebrew scriptures. And then Jesus and Paul believe that the time has come when God is bringing about the great liberation, not just from a human institution of slavery, but in a cosmic slavery to evil and selfishness
Starting point is 00:08:40 that all humanity has undergone. That is the meaning of Jesus' great announcement when he shows up on the scene saying the kingdom, the reign of God has arrived. Mm. The reign against that evil. Yeah, we're meant to see him as a Moses-like figure marching up into Pharaoh's court. Mm. And saying, let my people go. The new exodus is taking place. God's the one actually in charge and you need... And he's not marching up to Pharaoh, He's marching up to...
Starting point is 00:09:07 Yeah, He goes out to the wilderness. And powers and authorities. Confronts something dark, terrible, that's connected to that snake and connected to all the other crazy stuff that we've talked about in the last year, the powers of evil that lure us into self-destruction, into choosing self-destruction. So, yeah, Jesus comes onto the scene announcing the powers of evil that lure us into self-destruction, into choosing self-destruction. So yeah, Jesus comes onto the scene announcing the Kingdom of God is here, and what's the proper way to respond to that? And Matthew gives us a condensed form of it, and he calls it the Good News of the Kingdom at the end of Matthew 4. We call it the Sermon on the
Starting point is 00:09:39 Mount. But Jesus goes around announcing the Good news of the kingdom, teaching and proclaiming in their synagogues as Matthew 4, and then it raises the question in the reader like, oh, I wonder what it would be like to hear Jesus give one of those teaching sessions. And then he plops Matthew 5-7 in front of you, the Sermon on the Mount. So, lots of things going on in the Sermon on the Mount, but generosity is a big part of it. So he gets to the part where he's critiquing Israel's misunderstanding of the laws of the Torah. This is Matthew 5.
Starting point is 00:10:10 There are six sayings of Jesus where he says, listen, you've heard what it said, and he'll quote from a law in the Torah, and then he will respond and say, but I say to you, in light of my role as the giver of the messianic Torah, which fulfills, it doesn't cancel, it fulfills the purpose of the laws of the Torah, and then he'll show what the whole point was all along. So he gets in Matthew 5.43, you have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, let's just pause right there.
Starting point is 00:10:42 So first of all, there's no verse in the Old Testament that says love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, let's just pause right there. So first of all, there's no verse in the Old Testament that says, love your neighbor and hate your enemy. There is none. I have a footnote, Leviticus 19, 18. 1918 is the love your neighbor. That's the love your neighbor. Love your neighbor as yourself. Yeah. Yeah, Leviticus 1918. So there's a verse that says that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 So in other words, what Jesus is quoting is not just the laws of the Torah, but how the laws of the Torah have been interpreted and are being practiced by Israel of his day. That's interesting that hate your enemy was added. Yeah, and I think what he's paraphrasing is, here's how we are all actually living. Here's how y'all are actually living. In our own wisdom, we think loving our neighbor means we need to hate our enemy. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Because neighbor- I guess that makes sense because your neighbor is not your enemy, it's your neighbor. It's your neighbor. And to help protect your neighbor, we hate our enemy. That's right. Because neighbor. I guess that makes sense because your neighbor is not your enemy. It's your neighbor. It's your neighbor. And to help protect your neighbor, we have common enemy. Correct. Let's band together.
Starting point is 00:11:31 So here's how the world works. We reserve love for people in our tribe. And if you're not in my tribe, you're suspect or the object of my hate. Here's life in post Eden world. You love your neighbor, take care of you and yours. But if it's at the expense of others or in opposition to others, so be it. This is the logic in our parable of the guys at the party. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Yeah, that's right. Does it make sense? If we're going to take care of the people we care about... We can't take care of everybody. Yeah, we actually have to fight against other people. Yeah, that's right. So here's Jesus' response to that. He says, here's what I say, love your enemies, pray for people who are actively hostile to you so that you may be sons of your heavenly father. So sons, imitators, people in the family of God who act like carry on the family ethic. Really?
Starting point is 00:12:23 The family ethic is to love your enemies. To love people and be generous to people that hate you and are actively hostile to you. Jesus, how do you know that about the Heavenly Father? Look at the reason he gives. Well, think about it. He causes his son, his son. He created the son. To rise on the evil and the good. And he sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. It's back to like when He was talking about the ravens and the flowers. Yeah, let's just think about nature for a second.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Creation theology, yeah. But this is good. So ultimate cause behind the sun is my father. Yeah, it's His. So it's His son. And here's something I observe is that, you know, my family gets up in the morning and they're Torah observant. The sun shines on us.
Starting point is 00:13:08 And the sun shines on them. But man, you know, Yir Meyahu down the street, that old cudgel. Meyahu? Yir Meyahu, that's Hebrew for Jeremiah. Old Yir Meyahu down the street, you know. Yeah. Oh, he's a grouch. He's a glutton.
Starting point is 00:13:25 He yells at the kids. Yeah, yeah, his wife died and you got all this family money and he doesn't share it with anybody. He's not a good person and his skin looks great tan at the end of every summer. Because the sun shines on him too. Because the sun shines on him. He doesn't deserve that. But God, my father gives him the sunshine anyway.
Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah. That's it. Or yeah, old man, Azarahu. Azarahu. Azarahu. He's grouch and he's mean. Oh, that guy. He's taken advantage of his neighbors when they went into debt.
Starting point is 00:13:59 You see that guy turn the other direction. Yeah, yeah. And one, actually his other neighbor went into debt and he bought his land right out from under him and made him now a slave on his own land. And man, he had a great crop this year because the rain that fell on our land to give a good crop also fell on his. God is so, His generosity extends to people you think deserve it and don't deserve it. And who don't deserve it. And so, if that's how God's ordered creation, to give a space for people who deserve to exist and people who, in my humble opinion, don't deserve it. And so if that's how God's ordered creation to give a space for people who deserve to exist and people who, in my humble opinion, don't deserve to exist,
Starting point is 00:14:30 then what should that tell me about God's character? And if I am a part of God's family, how should I behave towards them? Well, so he goes on. If you love only those who love you, what reward is that? He's using honor-shame language here. Don't even the tax collectors do the same? They know how to network and befriend the people who will benefit them and they'll benefit the... That kind of thing. If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than anybody else? That's what everybody does. That's what the non-Israelites do. Right. We're called to something greater.
Starting point is 00:15:03 So therefore, you be, in most of our English translations read, perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect. Yeah, teleos. Teleos. Whole, without gaps, without cracks or fissures or gaps. Complete. Complete. Solomon made the temple out of complete stones.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Whole, apparently being a whole human. Truly human. A human with no fissures and gaps and cracks. Yeah, is one who truly imitates the generosity of the heavenly Father. Life that is truly life. Here, it's a little bit different than the Raven in the Flowers teaching, where it's like foster the abundance mindset. Here it's foster the, what do you call this, indiscriminate? Yeah, indiscriminate. Indiscriminate generosity and care. Because that's how creation itself,
Starting point is 00:15:53 that's how the abundance of creation is ordered to share generosity with indiscriminately. Unless humans start discriminating and then that creates the world that he's critiquing right here, which is you share and love only those who will benefit you. This is what happens in Les Misérables when Jean-Vincent... He's the enemy. That's right. Yes. In the story. He's the convict.
Starting point is 00:16:43 He shouldn't get rewarded for what he does. He steals. Yeah. And... He's given anict. He shouldn't get rewarded for what he does. He steals. He's given an unconditioned gift. But he treats it as a gift that needs to change the way he lives. Yeah, that's exactly right. This is love your neighbor as yourself and love your enemies. This is a hallmark of Jesus' concept of the new humanity and the Kingdom of God. This is a hallmark of Jesus' concept of the new humanity and the kingdom of God.
Starting point is 00:17:08 And it's not just for him a good ethical teaching. It's the way to be human that we've apparently lost. It's the way that we're meant to be, because it's the way that God is. It's the way that God has operated in this whole story so far. He keeps giving gifts to people who don't love him. Yeah. To people you would, they are seemingly enemies to Him in His ways. This teaching is a way of thinking about the whole story of Jesus Himself and what He represents. That He's here to be that complete human on behalf of a humanity that has failed to be
Starting point is 00:17:43 the humans that God called them to be. So he is that and he indiscriminately dispenses God's generosity and love to the tax collectors and prostitutes and fishermen and Pharisees that he meets. He just shares God's generosity with all of them. It's interesting. A scarcity mentality, we don't trust a host, leads on one end of the spectrum to enslaving people, enslaving your enemies. And then you get this end of the spectrum where Jesus is saying, pray for and love your enemies. It's the ultimate generous act. You have to really believe there is abundance and there is enough if you're going to try to hook up your
Starting point is 00:18:25 enemies. Yeah, that's right. Like you really have to believe it. Yeah, that's true. Oh, that's a good way of putting it. Yes, if you don't, you won't share in love. Because those are the first people are going to turn on you. Yeah, that's right. As soon as there's not enough, those are the first people that are going to take what they need at the expense of you. They're your enemies. Yes, that's right. So think, this is, Jesus is giving a teaching here that is itself a summary of His whole life and mission. Yeah, right. He is, as we're going to see, this is how the apostles came to talk about, they used the language of this teaching to talk about the meaning of Jesus.
Starting point is 00:19:01 He was the gift of God's own love to Israel and humanity, to God's own enemies, His own people who had become His enemies. And what did they do with the gift? They kill Him. It's sort of like when you meet somebody who's just so awesome and generous and amazing that both you're basking in the goodness of their just kindness and generosity, but you also, it exposes inside your own self that you're not like that. And then there's shame or guilt. I guess that'd be a self-aware response. Another response would be resentment. Yeah, envy. Suspicion.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Something's off. There's some strings attached here. I can't actually trust this person. Right? Yeah, they're not really, they can't really be. Nobody's like this. Yeah. It's sort of like sometimes people's generosity and kindness magnifies my own screwed up, distorted self.
Starting point is 00:19:56 And there's something like that in the story being told in the gospels where Jesus exposes the bankruptcy of Israel at that moment. And so his loving generosity and his confidence to critique Israel's lack of generosity and love is what gets him killed. It's just that thing you were just talking about. If you give gifts to your enemies, there's a chance they won't, it won't change them. It won't do what the gift did to Jean Valjean. It won't change them. It won't change them. And then when the rubber hits the road and there's not enough,
Starting point is 00:20:27 they're the first ones in eternity. That's right. It's an interesting way to think about what's happening on the cross. So coupled with this kind of freedom in the generous life and the generous mindset, comes also an expectation, or maybe it seems like you should expect that at the same time you will suffer the way Jesus suffers. Or be taken advantage of. Or be taken advantage of. This isn't like a life hack that's gonna make sure your life is gonna be awesome.
Starting point is 00:20:59 This isn't like be generous and now you're gonna experience the life you've always dreamed. Yeah, totally. Sure didn't for Jesus. Didn't for Jesus and man, for a lot of the first followers of Jesus. Yeah, that's right. Man. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:21:14 Really rough go. Totally, yeah. So if your definition of the good life is simply on the level of economic security and prosperity and a stable social web, then, yeah, this mindset did not produce that for Jesus or for the apostles. No. So there must be some other frame of reference. Because part of me wants to go, oh, and then you will actually get the stable life you've
Starting point is 00:21:41 always wanted. It's not guaranteed in this. Yeah, you might, you might. You might. You might. It could generate that. I feel like God's given that to me. I feel like that too. Like, I feel very secure. And it's like the danger of abundance is very clear in my life of like making sure it doesn't
Starting point is 00:22:00 turn me into my own... Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah, totally. I think that's the unique moment in human history that is the middle class, the upper middle, even much of what we call the lower class in Western capitalist democracies. It is material abundance. Yeah, and I do practice generosity, but as I do and I think forward, it's not like a foolproof plan to make sure there won't be bad stuff in your life.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Like who knows what will happen. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so apparently the good life for Jesus actually has very little to do with your economic situation. Yeah. Clearly, for Him. That there's some other definition of the good life that He is showing and that the Jesus movement is after.
Starting point is 00:22:55 And it might give you security. If it gives you security, it'll be on a different level than economic security. Okay, this is why I brought up the shrewd manager too. He gets a different kind of security. The security is now in the relationships, right? Yeah, yeah, okay, you're talking about Jesus' parable of the shrewd manager. He knows he's gonna get fired.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Knows he's gonna get fired. So he literally rewrites the accounts. Yeah, he just decides to be radically generous. Yeah, he cooks the books. He already knows that he's not trusted. So he does one last act of untrustworthiness, which is to rewrite radically generous. Yeah, he cooks the books. He already knows that he's not trusted. So he does one last act of untrustworthiness, which is to rewrite the books. To be generous to all these people.
Starting point is 00:23:31 So that all these relationships will. It's a new security. And I've thought about that before, like, in terms of, if I'm too generous, or if just things go poorly in life, even despite of my generosity or lack of it. Ultimately, what is the thing that brings the most security? It's the love of community around you who will love you like they love themselves. And that's the kind of community that is built out of generosity.
Starting point is 00:24:02 And I think that is the outgrowth of a teaching like Jesus that we just read, where if you're not only loving the people in your tribe that you're supposed to benefit, and they're supposed to benefit you, that's how that network operates. But then if you even begin to spread kindness and generosity outside that circle, that's exactly right.
Starting point is 00:24:23 It creates, it breaks the spiral of hostility between tribal groups and it extends the family. It's like you're extending the family. You're treating people like family who aren't technically your family. That's how the apostles come to talk about the story of Jesus as a whole. Think about, here's three lines from the Gospel of John and the letters of John. One of them is really famous, John 3.16. God so loved the world. And in the Gospel of John, the world is for the most part hostile to God and His purposes. So the world that God is loving is a world that hates and rejects and ultimately will kill. What's the Greek word there for world?
Starting point is 00:25:04 Cosmos. Cosmos. Yep. So He loves the universe. loving is a world that hates and rejects and ultimately will kill. What's the Greek word there for world? Cosmos. Cosmos. Yep. So, he loves the universe. He loves the cosmos. Well, cosmos, ah, it's connected to the word cosmetics. Cosmos means just to bring order to.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Oh, the ordered. The ordered world. Yeah, the cosmos. Cool. So, God loves the cosmos so much that He gave His one and only Son so that the one who believes in Him won't perish but have life of the age, life of the new age. Eternal life is how it's usually translated. That's right.
Starting point is 00:25:34 But literally it's life of the age. Yeah, life of the age, which in Jewish thinking there's this age and the age to come. Age of death. Yeah, and He's talking about the life of the next age that has begun already. So in other words, this is a little one liner that's summarizing the meaning of Jesus' life, death and resurrection in the language of generosity and giving. God gave to his enemies. It's exactly what Jesus said on the sermon on the Mount.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Because the cosmos is in rebellion against him. Yeah, yeah. The cosmos is selfish. It's an arena of death and what God does is give a great gift. And embedded in there is... The world that He ordered has created a disorder. Yeah, hijacked. It's hijacked into disorder and chaos.
Starting point is 00:26:19 It's the pool room in our parable. Yeah. Yeah. And God's response to the death and destruction of the world that He orders and that He loves is to give it a gift. I think this is such a great way of thinking about the calling of Abraham in response to Babylon in Genesis 11. He gave Abraham a gift. Yeah. Or the response of Genesis 315 of the promise of a future descendant who will crush the snake in response to humans eating from the tree.
Starting point is 00:26:48 It continues to give gifts that sow the seeds of a new creation. 1 John chapter 3, see how great a love the Father has given to us that we would be called children of God, and that is what we are. The language of gift-giving is really important in the Gospel and letters of John. It's a key motif for him. All this giving language is gift-giving terminology. So, you were sons of or children of Adam, children of death and children of selfishness. Yeah, yeah, children of the evil one. But God gives a just straight-up gift, unconditioned gift. And again, this is short form. Well, how do you become children of God? Well, through the story of Jesus. How did that happen? God becomes human. To be the human we're meant to be, but failed to
Starting point is 00:27:43 be. He dies for us and gives us his life and sonship as a gift. That's what he means. Yeah, right. That's the shorthand. That he can pack all of that into just God loves us and gave us a gift that we too could be God's children. Part of that gift too is then God's spirit empowering to be able to live that way. Bringing us into the life and love of the Father and the Son.
Starting point is 00:28:08 The language of gift giving permeates the letters of Paul. In a famous passage in Romans chapter 8, verse 31, he says, What should we say in response to all this? If God is for us, who is against us? My enemies. The one who didn't. The one, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one who didn't spare his own son, but gave him over for us all.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Won't he also freely gift us with everything? Mm, yeah. Yeah. Dude, he's got so many Hebrew Bible stories in his mind. You can just see it coming out. Sparing, you didn't spare your own son. Yeah. That's Isaac and Abraham's story.
Starting point is 00:28:46 That's exactly the phrase from Isaac and Abraham. Except now, God is the Abraham figure and Jesus is the Isaac figure. And so the agony and trust that Abraham had experienced as he trusted his son to God, only to receive him back, so to speak, is a framework for thinking about the father handing over the son. It seems like he's also saying here, if you can't trust that God is a generous host, but look what he did with this gift of his son.
Starting point is 00:29:25 And if that can't get you there to a place of trust, that he's a generous host, what else can get you there? That's right. Yeah, Paul's persuasion here is to say, yeah, you can trust God as the ultimate gift giver to give us the new creation. How can I trust that? Well, look what He did with His most precious, precious gift to us, which is to let us kill, let us bring death into His own life and love in the heartbeat between the Father and the Son. It's a great verse.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Oh, dude. If God is for us, who is against us? And that's not just, I mean, that is inspirational. It is. But what does He mean by God is for us who is against us, and that's not just, I mean, that is inspirational. It is. But what does he mean by God is for us? As you unpack that into, I can trust in new creation, which means I can live like it's begun. I can live like there is truly enough. And I can live like there's truly enough. That's right.
Starting point is 00:30:19 If the resurrection of Jesus means that the new creation has broken in and arrived, if I live in a scarcity mindset, that's because I've forgotten the good news of the resurrection and of new creation. That's cool. It's really cool. Think about this phrase from the letter of James, Jesus' brother. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Now, I'm just plucking this out of context. It actually comes in a sequence. It's really cool in James chapter one. But it's also a good one-liner, both because of the gift imagery, but also the Genesis one imagery. Father of lights? Yeah, the father of lights. That he created the sun, moon and stars, is that what that's referred to? Yeah, and what's their other name? The Elohim.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Or the sons of Elohim. The lights are the host of heaven, can be called in Hebrew the sons of Elohim, the sons of God. And then notice, but then he says, so God's a creator of the lights and they are part of his family, spiritual beings meant to image him and so on. But one thing about the hosts of heaven is they're constantly moving around, their brightness
Starting point is 00:31:34 fades and shines, they twinkle, they vary, or shifting shadow. I think he's talking here about the movements and the twinkling of the stars. Their glory fades in and out. And their father is not like that. He's constant life and light. And so that's his framework. Then out of that glorious life and light comes to us, and then he uses gift language. Every good thing that we receive in God's good world is a gift coming from the ultimate eternal source of life and light.
Starting point is 00:32:13 This is such a great line. You can tell he just thought about Genesis 1 for days and days and days. And he looked at the stars, and he saw them twinkling. He thought about the nature of God who created the stars. He had a good cup of whatever tea he drank back then. He saw his children playing. Whatever leaves they were mashing into hot water. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Yeah, he heard his children laughing. He saw the sunrise and he's just like, what a gift. And every breath, everything, it's all a gift. Yeah. It's a beautiful view of the world if you have the faith to trust that it's true. Yeah. Which can be hard to believe, especially when life is sucking. Yeah, which it does for a lot of people a lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But what is the solution to that? Is to generously love, to alleviate suffering. Yes. So, let's let that turn us to the last place I want us to focus here.
Starting point is 00:33:50 All this biblical theology of gift-giving, generosity in the midst of hardship. There's two chapters in Paul's corpus of letters where he just, it's like it all comes together in a beautiful set of chapters. It's in 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9. We've talked about this, I think, yeah, this chapter is related to Paul's, one of his big projects, which was to raise money. To give... To the poor in Jerusalem. Correct. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so there was a famine that hit Judea. Famines happened.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Famines happened. There's a lot of people hitting hard times. And so, Paul gets all of these church plants that's full of all these non-Jewish people to raise money and give it as a gift to their spiritual ancestors, so to speak, Messianic Jews in Jerusalem. Here's the backstory. In 1 Corinthians, he ends the letter saying, hey, you guys, remember when I was there, we talked about how every week you're going to be setting aside money when you gather for worship and the meal. You're going to set aside money to save up because I'm going to come or I'm going to send somebody to come and collect it pretty soon and then take it to Jerusalem.
Starting point is 00:34:59 That's what this is about. He told them that in 1 Corinthians. And then what he's discovered, as we're going to see, is that they haven't been saving up. And so he's in a difficult situation because what he needs to tell them as their church planting founder is, dude, be generous, be generous and save up the money. And you said you were going to do it anyway, so why haven't you been doing it? But Paul's normal tactic is not to leverage his authority and just bring the hammer. He always uses a loving type of persuasion because
Starting point is 00:35:32 that's what God did with him. So watch how he navigates this. It's fascinating. 2 Corinthians chapter 8. So, brothers, brothers and sisters, I want to tell you about the grace of God that has been given to the churches of Macedonia. So let's just pause. The word grace in Greek, it's the word karras, it is the same word as gift. There's no other word. Well, there actually are some other words for gift, but the word karras as a noun is
Starting point is 00:35:59 the word gift. And then as a verb, karyzomai, it's the word to give a gift. It's also the most common word in the New Testament for forgive. For give. To forgive. To forgive someone when they wrong you. Is to give a gift. Is to give them the gift of forgiveness. So the very concept of forgiveness in the Greek New Testament.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Is generosity. Is generosity, gift giving. We give each other gifts. And the word grace is the word gift. The word grace, yeah. So he's gonna use the word, this word charis to mean a few different things here, but it's all connected, it's a concept. So some gift has been given. I'm just gonna use the word gift. I wanna make known to you the gift of God that's been given to the churches in Macedonia. Oh, did they get some money? Yeah. In a great ordeal of affliction, their abundance of joy and their deep poverty overflowed in wealth
Starting point is 00:37:00 and liberality. I'm telling you, according to their ability, no, no, excuse me, beyond their ability, they gave of their own accord to put their money in the pot. In fact, they were begging us, urging us for the gift of participating in this act of service to the saints in Jerusalem. And- They thought it was a gift to be able to give. Yes. And it says in verse five, we were not expecting this, but here's what they did. First, they gave themselves to the Lord, and then they gave themselves to us by the will of God. Notice that he's using gift and giving in all these creative ways here. So yeah, you tell me. You didn't highlight the word gave there. I should have.
Starting point is 00:37:46 But you should have, okay, got it. Yeah, totally. So yeah. He's doing a little shame on you. It's a little shame on you. To the Corinthians. That's what I was gonna say. He totally is.
Starting point is 00:37:55 That's exactly what he's doing. These guys in Macedonia, they're afflicted and they're poor. But in spite of that, they gave them a crazy generous gift that we didn't even expect. Because we're like, these guys are poor. Why would they give us this money? Yeah, we're not gonna ask them to give because we know they have nothing.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Yeah. And they did it and it was even beyond what they should be capable of doing. But for them, it was their honor. They found it a gift. It was a gift to them to be able to do, it was their honor. They found it a gift. It was a gift. To them to be able to do it in their mindset. Yeah, in their mindset, it was a gift. They received a gift by having the chance to give a gift.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Greater to give than to receive. And then he also says, it's interesting, he says, they gave themselves first to the Lord and to us. That you can't be this kind of generous person if you haven't already given your life over. Like that's the first step in generosity. It's like you have to give yourself over to a new king, a new mentality of not scarcity and of believing in a generous host. That then becomes- Yeah, the motivator. host, that then becomes...
Starting point is 00:39:05 Yeah, the motivator. Yeah, that's right. It's cool. It's really cool. It gets even cooler. Verse seven, listen, just as you guys, Corinthians, just as you guys overflow in everything, in faith, in utterances, in knowledge, in earnestness, in love that we inspired in you. So he's saying, listen, you guys are, you're pretty awesome followers of Jesus. That's buttering him up. Yeah, totally, he's like, you trust God. Hey, you're really smart.
Starting point is 00:39:31 A lot of educated theologians there. Right. You're earnest. Yeah. See too that you abound in this gift also. Yeah. This gift that I just talked about in the Macedonians. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:42 I would love to see you grow in this area too. Yeah. Yeah. And then he says, you grow in this area too. Yeah. And then he says, listen, I'm not speaking a command. Like you don't have to do this. You don't have to give to this charity effort that I'm raising money for. Correct, yeah, I'm not gonna command you to do it, but here's what I-
Starting point is 00:39:57 This is Paul, the development officer right now. It is, totally, totally. Look at what he says. He says, this is a new American standard translation, which I'm kind of gonna summarize. The English is a bit difficult here. I'm not giving you a command, but I'm giving you a chance to prove through the earnestness of others, the sincerity of your love to. So I just gave you this example of the earnestness of others. And now I'm telling you, you have a chance-
Starting point is 00:40:21 Step up to the plate. To step up to the plate and prove your love too. You don't have to do it, but if you don't, I'm not sure if you really love God. Or just, comparing them to the earnestness of others. His point is, actually, he's exalting the Macedonians and saying, I told you about them because I want you to prove that you are just as generous and affected by the love of God as them. You know, this can seem a little sneaky or manipulative, which I think I'm reading in
Starting point is 00:40:55 from my legalistic background a little bit. Oh, I see. But there is something about seeing someone else's radically generous life that is very motivating. Yeah, totally. You hear someone's story, you see someone do something, and then you see the joy that came out of it. Yes, that's right.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And that is incredibly motivating. That's right. Yep, factor number one. Factor number two is that these are people Paul has known for years. These are people that he never asked a penny from when he was living and starting the church. He funded his own church planting efforts by making tents. And he's recently, they've just had a huge conflict
Starting point is 00:41:35 and they just wrote to him. He talks about it earlier in this very letter that they wrote and said they were sorry and that he forgives them. So he's got history with these people. And so he can just get right to it. Like, you know what I'm saying? We're what we're listening in.
Starting point is 00:41:50 He doesn't have to beat around the bush. We're listening in on a conversation between very close people. Got it. And he's pouring on the rhetoric here because he knows he can. Yeah, he's gained their trust. Totally, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:01 So that's important. That's important. Got it. Okay, to me then this is the heartbeat. So he says, you're growing in all these other areas. I want you to grow in this grace too. I'm giving you a chance to prove that you're as awesome as I know you are. Verse 9, for you know the gift, there's our grace word again, you know the gift of our Lord Jesus Messiah, that even though He was rich, yet for your sake He became
Starting point is 00:42:26 poor so that you, through His poverty, might become rich." He's summarizing the narrative of the story of Jesus in economic gift giving. Through the theme of generosity. Through the theme of generosity. Because the word grace is the word, gift, generous gift. In other words, our concept of generous gift is what the word grace means in the New Testament. Hmm. Because of the generous gift, the Lord Jesus Christ, He was rich. He had everything He could want. He had the love of the Father. Yeah. Here he's reflecting on pre-incarnate Jesus. Yeah. He had the love of the Father. Yeah. Security. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Status. Yeah. Power. Yeah, everything you'd want. But he wanted something more, which was us and our hearts. And so for that, he gave up his status. Correct. Yeah, he becomes poor, which is this same idea, different vocabulary, as in Philippians 2, where he says he was in his very nature God, but he didn't consider his equality with God something to be grabbed, to be taken or used for his own advantage. It doesn't just mean to take, he has it, but something to be grasped and used for his own advantage. Yeah. Rather, he emptied himself. He saw his abundance as an opportunity to be generous.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Correct. Yeah, that's right. That's the family ethic. It is. To see your abundance as an opportunity to be generous to others. That's right. So that they can experience the thing that I experienced. Yeah, which then it snowballs.
Starting point is 00:44:01 You do that and then those who are poor become rich. Through poverty. And notice, think up to the Macedonians. He's also playing this off the Macedonian story, that they're acting like Jesus. In their poverty, they're making others rich. And similar to Jesus, the irony is that he was rich and then chose to become poor. So that through his poverty, what upside down world. Yeah, what a backwards way to try to find security in life. So, 2 Corinthians chapter 8 verse 9 is just, it's beautiful, it's a one-liner of Paul's that captures the essence of the story of Jesus through the language of gift-giving
Starting point is 00:45:13 and generosity. And his point is, material generosity is the only reasonable response to the gift that has been given us in the life of Jesus. If you aren't materially sharing with others, it shows there's some deep disconnect in how you think about the Christian faith. I think that's what he's saying. Which means all of us have a deep disconnect with how we think about the Christian faith. Yeah, totally. Because who doesn't struggle with materialism.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Yeah, totally. And that brings us all the way back to, I think that's why generosity themes, generosity and scarcity themes are right there in Genesis 3. It's because it's part of the human condition. Is there enough? To people who have more than enough, they're sitting there wondering, is there enough? If there's not, maybe there's not enough, I need to do something about that. And that's how it all gets started. And it makes sense then that the solution to that in Jesus is another act of generous, abundant giving. The generous gift of Jesus doesn't leave you, shouldn't leave you going, is there enough? The generous gift of Jesus should do what Romans 8, right? Yes. Said, if God wouldn't spare His own Son, then why would He withhold anything?
Starting point is 00:46:39 There is enough. Yeah, that's exactly right. So, being a follower of Jesus involves a lot of things. But one of them is trusting that in the life of Jesus, I have been given the ultimate gift. It includes that my own failures and sins have been accounted for in Jesus' death on my behalf. That the death that I've introduced into the world through my selfishness and hoarding and whatever sin, that that's dealt with on the cross. But equally important to that story and to the gift is the resurrection and the dawn of the new creation, the birth of the new creation where there is enough for me and for everybody. That's what the resurrection means. And so it's fostering, yeah, cultivating that alternative
Starting point is 00:47:29 view of reality. Because ultimately what are we scared of with scarcity? Ultimately we're scared of death. Yeah, that's right. And so resurrection proves that that actually isn't the final enemy. That isn't something to be scared of. Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah, death, which is why Paul will go on in Romans 8 after that thing that he quotes, and he says, "'I'm convinced that neither death nor life, "'nor angels or powers.'"
Starting point is 00:48:03 So spiritual powers. The things present or the things to come, the present or the future, nor height nor depth nor any other created thing can separate us from the love of God which is in Messiah Jesus our Lord. Stid Romans 8. What you just said is what he's getting poetic about in Romans chapter 8. And it's the most difficult thing to do to foster that alternative view of the world, the abundance mindset. But it is the family ethic. It's the family ethic.
Starting point is 00:48:37 I like to use that phrase, I get stuck. From Matthew 5? Yeah. Yeah, look at my father. Yeah, he his son shines on People who are good and bad Deserve it and don't deserve it. Yeah, the family ethic is one of yeah abundant generosity to yeah to everyone Yeah friends and your that's right enemies. That's right
Starting point is 00:49:02 so there's something maybe there's something in the video where we can use color or some kind of, remember how in the exile video we had Babylon in exile represented by this dark blue maze? And then home was gold world. There's something similar here too, where the world of scarcity is invaded by the generous gift that begins to create abundant Eden right here in the midst. It's the reverse infection. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Yeah, totally. It's the yeast and the dough. And you can actually participate and experience new creation abundance when you share. When you share. Yeah, I don't share as often as I would like to think that I would. But I have had those experiences where you're like, this is awesome. This person's stoked. I'm stoked. And there's some vibe happening here where for this moment, there's enough and there's
Starting point is 00:50:12 a connection here and we both feel safe and accepted and this is awesome. I wish every moment could be like this. And then it's not. And then it's not. I've kind of hung onto the phrase of trying to be uncomfortably generous because when I think of the phrase like radically generous or I think of like the way, like the bullseye of generosity of just this crazy mentality, it just, it feels impossible. But what I can do is be generous to a level that does make me feel uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And then what you find, what I find is that there's life there. And then keep pressing the boundaries of that uncomfortability. And that's different for everyone in different seasons. Yes, yeah, that's right. It's kind of, it's just a nice way to tiptoe into generosity. Yeah. Man, I met this family once at a church they worked at, and they...
Starting point is 00:51:12 I think we did a generosity season of like a teaching series and other projects at the church. And there was this family who shared their story with me, where they just created a little separate savings account among all their other accounts, and they just did auto transfers from it throughout the year. Yep, it's just that I had a season of that. My business was really booming. We just set up a checking count,
Starting point is 00:51:38 and we just transferred money into it, just automatically, a certain percentage, and then we get to give away that money. Yeah, totally. So then they would just enter a season after it was to a certain amount where they would just start praying as a family, like, Lord, show us who to give this to. And then they just said, cool stuff happened. Just like then they would hear about a situation and be like, hey, we have some money to give
Starting point is 00:52:04 to that. And I just thought that was a really, it was practical. Point is, it was practical. Yes. It still was spontaneous, but it was spontaneous because they had planned for it. Yeah. Yeah. There's a pastor in a chipping room.
Starting point is 00:52:19 No, is that right? Yeah, Chip. Great guy. I mean, I don't really know him that well, but he gave this talk and in it he gave... He told a story, it's really stuck with me. It's a story and he said while he was young in ministry, there was this older patron friend who's just a wealthy friend. And the wealthy friend set up a checking account and gave Chip a checking book or a book of checks for that account.
Starting point is 00:52:52 And he said, hey, I'm gonna put money in this checking account. And what I want you to do with this checkbook is just while you're a pastor doing, if someone needs money, just use this. And that's all I told him. And Chip didn't know how much money would be in this account.
Starting point is 00:53:07 I think he knew how much was in it, but he didn't know what would happen when he spent it all. Was that it? So he just walked around with this checkbook. And it totally changed the way he interacted almost in every experience was now just like this opportunity of maybe I can be generous here because he had this had this guy's checkbook. Yeah, and as he was telling that story I realized What he was really talking about which was like that's how we should be living
Starting point is 00:53:36 And that's the mentality of like yes is all God's that's right. He's given us. Yeah, that's right the checkbook That's how we should be thinking about life. That's good. Really stuck with me. Yeah. Isn't that interesting how the sayings of Jesus become so over familiar? Yeah. Because that's totally Jesus' point about, look at the ravens, look at the flowers, look at the sun, look at the rain. But somehow it becomes so Somehow it becomes so religified. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:04 I just made that up. Religiousified. It becomes so religious that we can't hear it in its full power anymore. And so it requires new parables. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That's right.
Starting point is 00:54:18 What a remarkable mindset. Because this isn't just like give because it's the right thing to do, or give because... You ought to. You ought to. It's a totally different story that on the surface can result in what looks like the same behavior, being generous with your time and resources. But the Jewish Christian story underneath that is a completely different mindset that actually looks foolish from a
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