BibleProject - Justice Part 2: What is Social Justice and Righteousness in the Bible?

Episode Date: October 17, 2017

Show Notes: This is episode two of our Justice series. Tim and Jon discuss the twin ideas of Justice and Righteousness in the Bible. Those two words are often paired together in the Bible. The guy...s start the episode (0-18:10) by finishing up the discussion from episode 1 on retributive and restorative justice. Jon shares a story about some of the difficulties in practices community justice. In the second part (18:10-25:30) of the episode Tim shares a poem in the book of Jeremiah 9 and says it’s ideally captures the biblical vision of justice, mercy and righteousness. Tim and Jon speculate what they would do if they won the lottery. In the third part of the episode (25:30-end), the guys discuss the word “righteousness” in the Bible. Tim explains that the root word of righteousness is a word that means “to be in right relationship with someone” Tim talks about how Job is described as righteous, and how those descriptions are words that describe his efforts in social justice, defending the poor and the widow. Thank you to all our supporters! Show Resources: Nicholas Wolterstorff: Justice, Rights and Wrongs. Gustavo Gutierrez: A Liberation Theology Moshe Weinfeld: “righteousness and justice” Show Music: Defender Instrumental: Rosasharn Music Organized Religion: Beautiful Eulogy According to God: Beautiful Eulogy

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Starting point is 00:00:32 Hey, this is John at the Bible Project. This is the second part of our conversation on the biblical theme of justice. Justice is a biblical motif that cars its way through the entire biblical narrative and has its climax to Jesus. But the question is, what does it look like to do justice? If I honor the Bible as a source of divine wisdom, I have to reckon with the fact that this extraordinary emphasis on the vulnerable, people are vulnerable, and that their problems need to become the problems of those with influence and resources and voice, and that
Starting point is 00:01:19 that's the definition of a just community. That just is the case. And justice and righteousness, its primary meaning is my posture towards the vulnerable and the poor in our community. And it's not simple. If it were simple, these problems wouldn't plague our communities. There are many different ways to think about that,
Starting point is 00:01:41 and many people have different opinions on how it should be done. Regardless, the Bible is pretty clear. Justice and righteousness are central to the heart of God. Today we're going to have a complicated conversation about justice and its related word righteousness. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So this restorative versus retributive thing is blurring for me a little bit because with the Exodus story, they kind of become one and the same. Right? They're being oppressed, which is wrong, and they're being taken advantage of, which makes them poor.
Starting point is 00:02:27 And then their poverty makes them more likely to be taken advantage of. So they kind of go hand in hand. So is that the case? The little testament is just kind of this kind of hand in hand thing, that people who are vulnerable are usually taken advantage of. So really, this distinction becomes less and less important. Yeah, Nicholas Walter Storff. He's a philosopher, he's a follower of Jesus. I forget where he teaches.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I kind of wish I had that last name. Walter Storff. Walter Storff. Walter Storff. About 10 years ago, he wrote, I think, the most robust case for a Christian vision of justice that is respected widely in just the academic ethical philosophy field. He was writing for a non-religious audience, making a case for a biblical vision of justice.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Just the book is called Justice, Rights and Rungs. It was a very helpful book. His point when he talks about the quartet of the vulnerable, he says the reason why this is such a big deal for the Old Testament authors is something that's fairly universal to the human condition. And these are his words. He says, lower classes are not only disproportionately vulnerable to injustice, but are disproportionately actual victims of injustice. In human history, injustice is not equally distributed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:51 And I know this is a point of contention between political parties. Is it in our own culture? Yeah, sure. About the nature of people or communities that find themselves in poverty. Oh, sure. What does it mean to protect their rights? For some people, it will be through certain kinds of social programs, for other people will be through educational benefits.
Starting point is 00:04:13 So someone who constantly talks about leveling the playing field, they might see and think that there's a disproportionate amount of inequity towards a certain person. Yeah. portion of an equity towards a certain person. But someone who's just like really just more about free market might go like, no, everyone has an equal opportunity. So let's not mess with things.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Yeah, that might be rooted more in like a maximizing welfare value in that moment of let's create a system that will give the most opportunity to the most people, the most amount of people, and if people want to change their life trajectory from power them to do so. Power them, then the free market is the best way to create that, right? And this is huge debate.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Yes, huge debate. Huge debate in our time. And all we can say is, It's a big debate right now with health care Of course of course because that's all it's coming down to is that's right Should you give people who don't have? The ability to buy health insurance should you help them do it? Because they're poor
Starting point is 00:05:20 So they're more likely to get to be essentially not have access. Or do you let the free market kind of, because at that point then you're manufacturing the marketplace. Or do you let the free market decide in which case then really you're just creating more choice for people. And so you're making arguments from either side. And it just depends on what you think is the more just way of going about it. Yeah, which is the more straight, provide the most straightness. What provides the most straightness. And so here's, you just have to reckon with this fact.
Starting point is 00:05:57 If I honor the Bible as a source of divine wisdom, I have to reckon with the fact that this extraordinary emphasis on the poor living conditions of people in poverty or people of the vulnerable, people were vulnerable. And that their problems need to become the problems of those with influence and resources and voice. And that's the definition of a just community. That just is the case. And I can choose to say, I hear that that's what the Bible is saying.
Starting point is 00:06:35 I'm not sure I agree with that. I think there's a different way. So that's just fine. But I think at least we're not doing anybody any favors as by saying, well, that's not actually what the Bible is saying. You're saying that the Bible is saying that justice is actually identifying the people who are marginalized and vulnerable and making sure that there are systems in place
Starting point is 00:07:05 that give them a leg up. Like that's the biblical view of justice. Yeah. I mean, if we want to say we're trying to be faithful to the Bible and it's wisdom about justice, I don't know. It just becomes very clear. Yeah, you just read it.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Well, it can be easily misunderstood. Here's a good example. In the 1960s and 70s, there was a really influential theologian from Peru, his Peruvian. He was a Catholic priest. And his name was Gustavo Gudieras. And he just started writing like a madman. Because he grew up in poor, you know, slum and Peru.
Starting point is 00:07:46 But he was able to find his way forward through education and then administering the Catholic church. And so he just started writing. His most famous book was called Theology of Liberation. Then he ended up sparking a movement, a theological movement, authors, libresions, theology. And it was encapsulated by this phrase that he coined, called,
Starting point is 00:08:06 if you look at the God of the Bible, who reveals himself as the God of the Exodus, and he calls it, the God has a preferential option for the poor, which doesn't mean that you disregard fairness in favor of the poor. He's often misunderstood on that point. His point is simply this, that if you look at all of the hundreds of occurrences of Mishpah in the Bible, there is all, nine out of ten of them are uniquely focused and aware of the difficult situations of the vulnerable. And if they are left behind in my vision of the future of my community, I cannot claim to be a just community. I just, that just is the case. And it's through from the Torah to the prophets,
Starting point is 00:08:54 and as we'll talk about right on into the New Testament as well, it's just, so how that translates into specific policies and legislation. You said it could go too far. What were you about to say? Well, this is what people debate about. I think there is a lot to room for debate. You just have to be an expert, I think, on the policy of whatever matter it is that I
Starting point is 00:09:20 have, education or health care. I think at least we should be clear if I'm claiming to be a religious person who basis my view of the world on the Bible, my vision of the just society has to be informed by this. So this is what I'm hoping the contribution the video can make is to at least say, this is what the Bible means front to back about justice. And my hunch is that on like a healthcare debate,
Starting point is 00:09:49 I mean, I actually don't understand the details. I try to, but it's really complicated. But my hunch is there are probably religious people on both sides of that debate who have read their Bibles and they really believe what they're doing is faithful, even though they come to different points of view. And I don't know what to do with that, but it's an exercise everybody has to go through, I think, if you find yourself called into these kinds of roles. Well, all of this gets really political. And one of the questions, as opposed is, is the best place for all of
Starting point is 00:10:27 this justice to be acted out is in the government? Oh, I see. Right, right. Or is this something that should be happening through families or other institutions? So I hear that argument too. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Sure, yeah, we should take care of the poor. But let's do it through the church, not through the government. Or let's do that through our families. And so that's just another whole wrinkle in the conversation. Yeah, it is. And historically, there have been many seasons in the history of the Jesus movement
Starting point is 00:11:05 where networks of local churches created institutions that now in our day are a part of our centralized government or a part of our... ...commengeos... ...market economies like hospitals. Oh, well, you know, this part of our market economy. Yeah. They're not a state run, but hospitals are a uniquely Christian contribution to the history of the human race.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Same with local food banks and this kind of thing, like there's no social safety web in the early Roman Empire for the poor. And so this is why the Jesus movement was so stinking effective in the first few centuries. Was it was creating these institutions that to care for the vulnerable that simply didn't exist? It didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting to live in a time where a lot of things do exist. I mean, so it's kind of just bringing it really practically like here in Portland. There's a large homeless population in Portland.
Starting point is 00:12:05 In fact, this morning, I was driving with my mom here to the office and we drove through and there's a bunch of those tents over by where Francis Park was. Yeah, on 12. Yeah. And she hadn't actually driven down the street. She was like, whoa, he's always been here. And then she told me how our church used to have this mystery called three-clock people. And it was just right over, I think actually on this property even maybe, in the field
Starting point is 00:12:29 over there. And on Sundays at three, they would just do a big like Pollock for, not Pollock, they would do a big like meal for, for, for anyone. But it was the homeless that would come. And, and then they were asked by the neighborhood to stop doing it because all the homeless would then kind of stay and kind of live. It became like a central zone because of that. And when you go through these areas, yeah, they're dirty. There's drugs, there's crime.
Starting point is 00:13:00 And so like it actually created pain for the people who were trying to live there and they actually told them to stop And in one sense you're like, well that's frustrating because like you can't see beyond your own You know Piece of property. Yes. Just kind of help other people but at the same time. It's like, okay I guess I could get it. No one's doing that near my house And so I don't have to deal with that. And then my mom said that she, one of her friends from back where I grew up was a police officer and would constantly talk about all the problems that arose from the homeless.
Starting point is 00:13:37 And he was a Christian who was very like, don't take care of the homeless. And don't fear the homeless. And he had this chip on his shoulder about it because he saw the really seedy side of things. And so all to say, I think we can agree that people who are poor and who need food like we should take care of them. But then for whatever reason when you step into that world, it starts getting really complicated. Yeah, because it's not just about food, it's about the relationships and the,
Starting point is 00:14:15 how people make a living. Yeah. How people are able to provide for themselves, and then all of the psychological barriers. Yep, there's mental health. There's all of that. And then there's the stability that comes, when you live in a family, you have more stability and certain networks and different things.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, there's a whole post of things. That's right. So yeah, we're saying this is way more than just starting a food bank. Right. There are other people who, through some choices of their own, but some not. Some people are just born into a situation and they're set up disadvantaged. Yeah. And so the question is, in the biblical vision,
Starting point is 00:14:57 will I be aware of and make their problem? Yeah. Part of my responsibility. Right. And that is the biblical vision of Mishpah. And as we'll see here, also righteousness, justice and righteousness. Its primary meaning is my posture towards the vulnerable than the poor in our community. And it's not simple. It's not simple. All right. If it were simple, these problems wouldn't play our, you know, communities, right. If it was simple. It's not simple. If it were simple, these problems wouldn't play our, you know, communities, right? If it was simple. So of course, it's complicated. And that's to say that there's, it's
Starting point is 00:15:35 complicated on that side, it's complicated on the other side, that when people have resources, we just automatically become greedy, hold on to power. Or just apathetic. Apathetic even? Yeah. I think just, yeah, I think mostly that's it. It's large-minded. What do you need to met? It's very easy to not think about the needs of other people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I mean, yeah. And also for whatever reason, it's also easy to begin to justify doing things that in a different situation would be obviously ingest. And to just think, well, it's okay. I don't know, I can't think of like an example. But for what I mean, it's kind of like the people who are like shifting the weights, you know? Sure, sure.
Starting point is 00:16:22 It's not like you have just one group of people or just this devious people who are like, you know, I know I can get away with it. There's some people, there's just some sketchy people. But then there's the guy who's kind of like, he just needed one day a little extra money because his mom was sick or his daughter broke his leg or whatever and he's like, I know I can do it. I'm just gonna just tinkler it with the weights.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Just do it for a week, and then it'll be back to normal. And then all the sudden, next thing he knows, he's doing it all year, next thing he knows, it's turning into the next thing. Yeah, as you're gonna, becomes a breaking bad situation. Breaking bad situation. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:02 How do people end up in the cycles of decisions of perpetuating injustice? And it's rarely because they set out to do it. Right. Yeah. Like the whole Bernie made off thing. You know, his whole, his whole thing where he did the Ponzi scheme and just screwed over lots of people, their whole retirement accounts and stuff. And on the face of it, you're like, man, what a cool wicked, just selfish, ridiculous thing to do, to take people's money, pretend you're investing it, give it to other
Starting point is 00:17:39 people and just kind of create this whole Ponzi scheme. And just recently, was it on a podcast or something, someone was interviewing him and finally kind of was getting his story. And from, and then when you hear it from his point of view, it wasn't like he just woke up and he's like, you know, I'm going to like, let's screw over a bunch of people. He, it was just all tied into so many different things and dysfunctions and a desire to be loved and desire to not feel stupid and a desire to help people and all these things mixed together which just led to one bad choice after another until he just felt stuck. And it's so interesting to like human
Starting point is 00:18:22 condition. Human condition. Yeah. So to round that off, this is just about a mishapat. Beautiful short little poem in the book of Jeremiah that brings a lot of this together. This is what the Lord says, don't let the wise man boast of his wisdom. Don't let the mighty man boast of his might. Don't let the rich man boast of his riches. Rather, let the one who boasts boast about this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord who exercises mercy, just mishpot. So there's two, we keep
Starting point is 00:19:17 popping up together, mercy and mishpot, and righteousness on earth. This is what I delight in, declares the Lord. That's worth memorizing and pondering many occasions. So you have three triads of what is valuable, contrasted with each other, wisdom, which is a rad thing. Yeah, yeah, education and insight and wisdom might So it says the mighty man which of course is you know, not just Can you bench press?
Starting point is 00:19:55 But how much of power and authority you have power? Yeah, and then wealth education influence wealth and Well, education, influence, wealth. And the whole point of the poem is, if that's what I think is valuable, which gives me value, and therefore what I think is most valuable, I'm fooling myself if I think I'm gonna, if I say I know God. Rather, the one who boasts in anything has only one thing to boast about that he knows his creator. And knowing your creator means knowing the God who exercises, Mishpot, Mercy, and write all the stuff we've been talking about.
Starting point is 00:20:38 The God of the Exodus who notices the problems of other people and makes them his problem, who notices the problems of other people and makes them his problem, that's who God is. And the one who knows God will boast in that. The first three things all really help me, right? Our can, very easily. Yeah, that's right. Like my wisdom can make me make good decisions, can help me create wealth, it can help me have whatever.
Starting point is 00:21:09 My power and influence, same thing I riches. Mm-hmm. But those also can be used. That's right. Yeah, the other direction. Yeah, this isn't saying, therefore don't try and become wise and don't. Don't try to have influence. Yeah, and don't try and become wise. And don't try to have influence.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, and don't try to generate wealth. It's just not saying that. The point is don't boast. Don't make those at the end. Yeah, if you make those what defines your value and your identity, you actually have no clue who God is. So it's not about whether or not you have those things, it's whether you have them or whether you don't, who's going to define your identity and what you think is really valuable. And if you know the God of the Exodus, you
Starting point is 00:22:00 know that your wisdom, your mind and your riches aren't yours. They were given to you as a gift. And to know God is to put those things in the service of... What makes God delight is mercy, justice and righteousness. That's right. And what you should boast in, what should make you stoked is your connection. Yeah, I mean, I've only met a small number of really wealthy people in my life with through like church or whatever friendships. And yeah, a number of them have just been so, they're so such remarkable people, because they just have this attitude to their
Starting point is 00:22:46 stuff that it just actually doesn't like matter. That's a rarity. It is rare. It is rare. And the pattern I noticed from those handful of people was that they also give a lot of money away. And they, well, they don't just give it away, they actually invest it in mishpot kinds of things.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Like, you know, a boy's ranch for kids coming out of juvenile hall. Or like, you know, that kind of thing. You're just like, the soul of shit. Yeah. It's like a one year boy's ranch. It gives them more joy. Yep, more joy.
Starting point is 00:23:24 They just go learn how to take care of animals It's awesome once they get out of juvenile hall and Anyway, just like that and you meet somebody who leverages their wisdom and might Riches for that and you're just like that. There's one sense in which I don't actually Oh gosh if I had that kind of wealth I would be so terrified that I wouldn't leverage it that kind of thing What a enormous pressure Yeah Anyway, have I told you about my whole lottery theory?
Starting point is 00:23:56 No That there's only one right decision if you win the lottery I think We thought up through this There's only one right decision if you win the lottery, I think. I thought I'd do this. If you won a big lottery, the smartest thing to do is to not keep any of it. Because most people win the lottery, their lives get destroyed. Either because they just start overspending and they become miserable because it's not actually making them happy and then they can't actually control their spending and then they actually go bankrupt. Also all your friendships and relationships now people are coming to you asking you for
Starting point is 00:24:36 money and then it just complicates those relationships. So yeah it just makes your life really difficult. And it's actually what? What could be more fun than spending the rest of your life just giving money away? Right? Like if you had enough money, that you could set up a foundation and none of it's yours,
Starting point is 00:24:58 and you just pay yourself a salary, like a regular person salary, and your job is just to be giving it away your whole life. That'd be just like, yeah, that's pretty. You just hooked yourself up and you're hookin' other people up. That's what every lottery winner should ever do. Should do.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Should write a short book about that. Kind of a small market. Right, there's probably a large market. A large market. I guess a lot of people buy a lot of things. But what's the difference between winning the lottery and doing really well at business? Or, hmm.
Starting point is 00:25:31 That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, you just had to work a bit more for it. Yeah. Going to 7-Elevening, getting a ticket. So mercy and justice show up a lot and then this word righteousness is also showing up in the mix and that word has a lot of baggage for me. We haven't really talked about that word.
Starting point is 00:26:15 You said it's a word that... It's in the Pianyan word. Yeah, to Mishpah. To Mishpah. To Mishpah. Yeah. In fact, there's a fixed phrase in Hebrew, justice and righteousness that occurs about, it's over 50 times in Old Testament alone. And most scholars, as one is Rayleigh, Hebrew scholar, he wrote a whole book on this. He thinks the best definition of it of that phrase is not to translate each word individually but to use one phrase for it, and he chose his most wine-filled, he chose a word social justice, justice oriented towards the
Starting point is 00:27:00 vulnerable in my community. What he thinks when we read the phrase, righteousness and justice, when we read Psalm 99, righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne, or we read about the Messianic King that he will come and rule with righteousness and justice. What it's being talked about there is Mishpot for the vulnerable and righteousness is the character trait or the standard. So when you have Mishpot for the vulnerable you are a righteous person. When you do Mishpot you are upholding righteousness. Wouldn't you just be upholding Mishpot? Well you're upholding Mishpot but you're doing so because of some standard or value.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Why do I value the Mishpot of the vulnerable? What value or standard am I adhering to? That's interesting because people would just say, justice is the standard. We care about justice because of justice. Right, right, right, right. Because it's right. Okay, so here we go. So now we're to righteousness. In Hebrew, righteousness, there's a few words
Starting point is 00:28:08 that come from one root, but set a car is the most common expression of the root. You can also take off the awe and just have satik. Okay. Satik or satikah. Satikah. Translated as righteousness, both of them. And it's most basic meaning, if you look in the dictionary
Starting point is 00:28:26 and people have done written, people have written whole books on this. Yeah. Yeah, at its core, it's a relational term, meaning a standard of right relationships. You're talking about the word righteousness or righteousness. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:40 But it's the same. The word set of code gets translated in English as righteousness. And what if you look at all the, it's whatever, 200 some odd uses of it in Old Testament, it's a, it's an ethical standard that consists of people in right relationships. It's a relationship word. And it's, it's something similar of like in English, we have this phrase of doing right by someone. You've doing right by someone,
Starting point is 00:29:05 you've done right by me. That actually is a more helpful English paraphrase of righteousness. You could write by me. Righteousness. Righteousness and justice are the foundation of God's throne, Psalm 99. So doing right by people through acts of Mishpot. That's the foundation of God's rule and character. So. But how else can you do right by someone other than Mishpot?
Starting point is 00:29:33 Oh, correct, correct. So the two go together, at least. I mean, are there, there might be ways. I suppose. OK. Yeah, if you look at how they're tied together, set a car is the standard of right, equitable relationships between the two of us. And Mishpot are the actions that you take to create that standard and to do it.
Starting point is 00:30:01 So if I have righteousness, it's because I'm in right relationship. It's always referring to my righteousness towards someone or someone else. That's right. It's never just an internal thing, like integrity. Yeah, but integrity is also a relational word. That's true. Yeah, yeah, so righteousness is the standard of relating to everyone else in my life in a right in a right way.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Okay. And what kinds of actions display that standard, Mishpot, which is both recompense, right? So like, confronting the whatever injustice and making sure it's accounted for, but also this other sense of Mishpah, the majority, which is looking out for the situation of the vulnerable. And you can just see, so here's just one example. You can see how it works out. This is in from Job. This is from Job's final defense before God about why it's screwed up that he's suffering and Job 29. But it's offers one of the most complete poetic definitions of righteousness in the Old Testament. So Job 29 versus starting in verse 12, he says, I delivered the poor who cried for help,
Starting point is 00:31:25 and the orphan who had no helper. The blessing of the one ready to perish came upon me. I made the widow's heart sing for joy. Notice the vulnerable. Try out there. I put on Cedica, and it closed me. I put on Mishpot, like a robe and a turban. I was eyes for the blind, feet for the lame, father for the needy. I investigated the case, which wasn't my own. I broke the jaws
Starting point is 00:31:57 of the wicked. I snatched the prey from his teeth. So he seized Settica as the way of life that he was practicing is the way of life that embodies. He talks about Cedica as what clothes him. And then Mishpot is like his outerwear. So like, righteousness to me was always a very personal thing, but you're talking about it as a very interpersonal thing. Well, jokes, talking about it as a personal thing. This is one example. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Righteousness is an outward oriented standard of how I relate to other people, particularly how I relate to people in difficult situations. That's what he's saying. Here's an example from Ezekiel, chapter 18. But if a man is righteous and practices Mishpaten Sadekah, the righteous person, when you see that word in the Bible, the righteous, it's taking that word Sadekah and it's turning it into adjective Sadek. Sadek. The man, Sadeekah, and it's turning it into adjective, Sadeek.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Sadeekah. The man is Sadeek. The man is Sadeekah, and does Mishpah and Sadeekah, namely, if he doesn't oppress anyone, but he restores the dead'er's pledge, if he doesn't commit robbery, so that's things that he doesn't do. And if he gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, then he will find life. So being at Sadik is about how you relate to injustice in your community. And it's also about how you relate to the vulnerable in your community.
Starting point is 00:33:41 It's Mishpah and Sattaka. So this is interesting, and later Hebrew, and even still today, the word Sattaka is now one of the basic words in modern Hebrew for a gift to the poor. Sattaka. Like an Alms. Alms, yep. Is Sattaka and Hebrew.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Which again, we have a separate word for Al alms or charity, but in Hebrew it's Settica. And it's just right through, this is the book of Isaiah, his poetry, especially about the future hope for the Messianic King is filled with this righteousness and justice language. So in Isaiah 11 he talks about that out of the stump of Israel when it was cut down by the nations. There'll be a shoot that springs up out of the old stump and the branch or the shoot is the king, the image for the king and the spirit rests on him, the appointing spirit, rests on him, the sevenfold spirit, spirit of the Lord, spirit, and the sevenfold spirit, the spirit of the Lord,
Starting point is 00:34:47 wisdom, understanding, counsel, strength, with the spirit of knowledge, the fear of the Lord. He won't render justice by what his eyes see, nor make a decision by what his ears hear. But with Siddhaka, he will render Mishpoth for the poor and decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth, and he'll strike the earth with the rod of his mouth with the breath of his lips. He'll slay the wicked. Sedaka will be a belt around his lines and faithfulness a belt around his waist. What a clothing image is. Yeah, same with Job and Job in here. Yeah. Yeah, it's Job and Job in here. Yeah. Yeah. It's a powerful
Starting point is 00:35:26 metaphor for like wrapping yourself in. Yes. Clothing yourself in. Yeah. This type of way of being. Yeah. So again, the common denominator is the poor. When you do set a car nine times out of ten, it's talking about doing right by the poor in your community. So it's what Job did, just average day-to-day person. It's what Ezekiel talks about. It's what the Messianic King will do when he comes. So there you go. That's the big picture on Justice and Righteousness, Mishpaten Sereka. Is that and so when Paul uses the word Righteousness in Greek, which is what? Yeah, de Kyosune. De Kyosune is the noun, de Kyosune. Is it, is, he, is basically the same concept? Oh man. That is extremely controversial ground.
Starting point is 00:36:28 It is. Uh, in, uh, Bible nerds who write and debate about. What's controversial? Uh, the meaning of righteousness in Paul's letters. Well, why wouldn't it, wouldn't it just mean what we've been talking about? I think so. Okay. Uh, yeah, there's, it's Yeah, it's a whole incredibly nuanced and wonderful discussion that's happening.
Starting point is 00:36:52 But yeah, I think just like the spirit with the language about the spirit, for example, I think when you read in Puzzle Edders about God's righteousness, what we're talking about is God's character that motivates him to address the the plight of the vulnerable and the afflicted or the oppressed. But then he also uses mixes the courtroom because he has a turned righteousness a verb, that God makes someone righteous. But in our English translations, you don't read that. What we have is the English word justify, which is really unfortunate, because justify in English doesn't mean to declare someone righteous or declares. It means to make an excuse for. Oh, to justify. So it's sort of of there's a special biblical meaning of the word justify in our
Starting point is 00:37:48 Bible, but that's not like how we actually use the English word justify. Yeah. Anyway, that's a whole other thing. Okay. But yeah, the biblical authors are completely in tune with all of this. And so when God says that He is righteous, he's just meaning he has right relationships with humans. It means he judges fairly, he sees what's happening in the world, and he does, and will bring recompense and judge fairly. And what God is about specifically is judging fairly on behalf of those who usually get
Starting point is 00:38:29 receive injustice, that is the vulnerable. Both of those are woven together tightly. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Bible project. If you enjoyed this episode on justice, you might also like Tim's lectures on his podcast on the topic of justice. His podcast is called Exploring My Strange Bible. You may have noticed that we've been talking for two weeks about justice and we haven't even brought up Jesus. Well, that's what we're heading next week. It's gonna be a great conversation. Stay tuned for that.
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