BibleProject - Priests of Eden – Priest E1

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

In the story of the Bible, all the main players are prophets, priests, or kings. While it might seem foreign to us today, those three roles are intimately connected to what it means to be people creat...ed in the image of God. Join Tim and Jon for the first episode of a new series on the royal priesthood!View full show notes from this episode →Timestamps Part one (0:00–19:00)Part two (19:00–29:00)Part three (29:00–34:30)Part four (34:30–50:00)Part five (50:00–end)Mentioned ResourcesS. Dean McBride, “Divine Protocol: Genesis 1:1-2:3 as Prologue to the Pentateuch.”John H. Walton, The Lost World of Adam and Eve.Tim Mackie, "Jesus is Your Priest," Exploring My Strange Bible podcast.Show Music “Defender Instrumental” by Tents“Directions” by Blue Wednesday and Shopan“Prophet Priest King” by Smalltown PoetsDiscover LP by CYGNShow produced by Dan Gummel. Show notes by Lindsey Ponder.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Cooper at Bible Project. I produce the podcast in Classroom. We've been exploring a theme called the City, and it's a pretty big theme. So we decided to do two separate Q and R episodes about it. We're currently taking questions for the second Q and R and we'd love to hear from you. Just record your question by July 21st
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Starting point is 00:00:37 This is John Collins from Bible Project, and today we're starting a brand new series. Now, if you were to go to the ancient world, you would run across temples. These are sacred spaces where the God that your people worship lives. It's a place where the realm of your God meets the realm of humans. And these temples were buildings, but interestingly, the Bible begins with a temple that isn't a building. The conception of the cosmos in Genesis 1 is that of a cosmic sacred space or heaven and earth or one.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Eden. Now in the ancient temples, you would have priests who work there. They take care of the temple. They receive the sacrifices and gifts from people. And they give the blessings of the gods to the people. Also in the temple, you would find inanimate icons. These are idle images that represent the rule
Starting point is 00:01:30 and authority of the god. But the cosmic temple in Genesis merges these two roles into one. The statue at the center is not a statue. It's an inanimate icon. And here, we're very close to the priestly dimension of the image of God, the representation of God and human as one in the sacred space.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And that's essentially what the, at least the biblical priesthood is meant to be all about. We're beginning a brand new series on this podcast on the role of priests in the Bible. Now, if I were to ask you about priests in the Bible, you might think of Aaron. He was the brother of Moses, the very first priest of Israel, or you might think of all the other priests that came after him that work in Israel's temple. But in this episode, we want to
Starting point is 00:02:12 explore how the very first priests in the Bible were none other than Adam and Eve in the cosmic temple. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So this is exciting. We get to start new theme video conversation and it's on priestness. Priestness. So priority number one, figure out what to call this video. What does it mean when you have the word hood? Yeah. All my examples are from the Middle Ages, knighthood, monkhood, priesthood, somethinghood. I'm googling it. What does it mean when you have hood at the end of a word?
Starting point is 00:02:54 Native English suffix denoting state-conditioned character nature. All right. That makes sense. Yeah. Neighborhood. Neighborhood. That's a classic hood. The hood. The hood.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Prized hood. So the state, condition, or character nature of being a priest? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's right. Which, this is a major theme right throughout the Bible. The first person who's called a priest appears in Genesis 14 in a story that will ponder. And then priests appear pretty much right throughout the whole rest of the Hebrew Bible and then play a big role in the story of Jesus.
Starting point is 00:03:30 There's his rivals. And then the apostles use a lot of language about priesthood to describe followers of Jesus. And then right on it into the revelation where the followers of the Lamb are called a kingdom of priests. So it's a theme. Starts at the beginning, starts at the end. Yeah, that's right. But an interesting puzzle for this theme video is that the word priest doesn't appear in the earliest narratives of the Bible. It's not how you get to Genesis 14. However, the concept on which the very role and office of the priest is built is all baked into what's going on on page one and two of Genesis.
Starting point is 00:04:09 But this is our task. So first let's back up and just think meta real quick here because priests, the idea of priests and even the word priest means all kinds of things to different people. Does it? Yeah, I think so. Based on where and how you grew up. Yeah. Well, if you're Catholic, the priests, you've got the Pope, you've got bishops.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Yeah, that's right. You've got your local parish priests. Parish priests. Yeah. Same for in some streams of the Anglican Church, they'll use the word priest more or less in some traditions, but the word father or priest is often used for the leader of an Anglican parish too. However, to like an American Baptist, the word priest means something different. Or I should say it has different associations.
Starting point is 00:04:58 So for somebody who grew up Catholic or Anglican and had a great experience in those traditions, the priest refers to this revered figure, a very special holy figure, set apart, they represent God. They get to wear special clothes. And they're marked by wearing special clothes. Yeah. Whether it's just a little collar, the suit and the collar. Or you get the whole Pope gown. Yeah, the gown, sometimes a turban crown or yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:05:28 It's a symbolic kind of role, right? All of those clothes or symbolism telling different stories. And they do a lot of symbolic acts, sacramental acts that are not just really symbolic. Yeah. That's a priest. Yeah. What else would someone be thinking about? Oh, okay. Well, I'm not just talking about what. Yeah, yeah. That's a priest. Yeah. What else would someone be thinking about? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Well, I'm not just talking about what the word refers to. Oh, okay. But like the associations with it. Got it. So with Catholic and Anglican traditions, it would be positive. Okay. That that's an important revered role
Starting point is 00:05:59 that's highly regarded for somebody in those traditions. But that's not the case in all the spectrums of the Christian tradition. Yeah, some traditions don't have priests, are not in the liturgical kind of tradition. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But still have roles that are similar, ish. Yeah, totally. Like professional ministers and pastors. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:06:26 clergymen. Yep. clergymen, clergywomen. clergywomen. And more congregational style, denominations or traditions that have a different kind of leadership structure. Still often have a particular figure who represents God to the people and the people as a whole. It's just envisioned, the role is imagined a different way in the role of a pastor, in
Starting point is 00:06:51 that shepherd role, but not in a priest role. It's more aligned. Well, the word's not used in the pomp and circumstances in there, but there's a lot of similarities. I'm with you. In fact, when I first started following Jesus my early 20s and was learning how to go to church. I mean, our family had attended church, so I was familiar with that, but I had a long break through like all my teens and early 20s. So I started going back to church. The rebellious years. Yeah, totally. But I started going back to church and I- The were delles years? Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:07:31 But I perceived the pastor as somebody so other than me. Yes. Mainly because at least the church that I was going to, pastor always wore a suit. Yeah. And I had just never, like skate board punk, like I'd never even imagined wearing a suit. Me, somebody wears a suit as a different species. When I was growing up, I had to dress up for church and I remember the line was because I was like, why?
Starting point is 00:07:55 I got dressed up for church. What would you wear if you were going to meet the President of the United States? Oh. Would you dress up because you're going to go meet with Jesus? Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah.
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Starting point is 00:08:24 Ah. Ah. Ah's the whole thing. There's the whole thing turns the person who gets up there. And I experienced this. I think I've shared in my early 20s when I was working at church, I was quote unquote a pastor, I mean, young, and I would get up on stage and I would try to explain the Bible. And there was just something about that dynamic that just elevates you to like, I'm no longer just one of you. I am something else.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Yeah. It's as if a person becomes the role. Right. There's this role. Yeah, the role. Yeah, or an office, as it were. So yeah, let's pay attention to that. Even though in different expressions of the Christian tradition, there are different titles, different
Starting point is 00:09:06 roles imagined for what a leadership representative figure is, priest or pastor, but functionally, it's very similar than different. And actually, this is true in many cultures. So even people who would categorize as what a religious sociologist and statistic takers, they call these the nuns, the generation of the nuns, they mark nun, yeah, religious affiliation, on religious affiliation, or the spiritual but not religious. Yeah, kind of thing. Even for people who are spiritual, not religious, or your religious,
Starting point is 00:09:41 this pretty universal human phenomenon, where communities have unique people or roles. Who when you encounter this person, you feel like you're encountering something special, something from above or beyond or ultimate. This is guru culture, are you talking about? Yeah, sure. I'm just saying, I'm trying to make a cross-cultural observation. But this is not just in some religious traditions that there's a special person who kind of stands at this boundary of the normal day-to-day life and then ultimate transcendent. They've got the keys. They've got a vantage point you don't have.
Starting point is 00:10:23 There's something special about them. So, in tribal cultures, these are the shaman or the person who's in touch with the divine realm. Yeah, so most cultures have a version of this. So, we live in Portland, which has a very live spiritual scene that's not necessarily aligned with any organized religious traditions. Yeah, who are the gurus? scene that's not necessarily aligned with any organized religious traditions. Yeah, who are the gurus? Oh, I think whether it's in different forms of Americanized, Eastern, meditative traditions or spiritual traditions.
Starting point is 00:10:57 So I'm just saying this is a cross, this is kind of a human thing. A human thing is that we look towards someone to fill in this kind of role, which is help me guide me to the divine. Connect me. Connect me to that thing that I'm looking for that. However you would describe it, whatever spiritual tradition you're coming from, how you would describe it, even if it's not religious at all. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:11:25 So for some people, in some cultures and some parts of the Christian tradition, the fact that my connection to the divine realm or to what's ultimate and true and real, that that all comes through a person, exercising one particular office, that's not seen as bad or weird, it's good. Like that's the way and it's awesome. There are other parts of the Christian tradition
Starting point is 00:11:51 and especially Western culture that see the fact that it comes through one person as unequal or non-democratic, that's an American way of putting it. But the whole point would be to democratize that. There's some certainty to everyone. And that's a very, that's an American way of putting it. But the whole point would be to democratize that. Yeah. There's some spiritual to everyone. And that's a very, that's actually an impulse that comes into the Christian tradition through the Reformation. Right. And there's some churches, you said congregational, I think that's a term, right? Where they actually, they vote as a congregation, and they, yes, even though there are people with positions of paid professional ministers that they try to be more democratic. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And an important line that's echoed throughout history since the
Starting point is 00:12:33 Reformation has been the theme of the priesthood of all believers. Yeah. And there are actually some church traditions in the reformed or Protestant side who are actually kind of hostile to the concept of their being a priest. Right, because they would say that it's kind of stepping on the prerogative of the whole body of the priesthood of believers to elevate one person. I don't want to get into that, but it's just I'm trying to name it. These are all like little surface skirmishes. And even though those traditions and people in them might disagree about whether they should be one particular person or all believers, what they both agree on
Starting point is 00:13:18 is that this concept that heavenly divine realm is meant to be and wants to be made accessible and to be connected to us. And that that happens in and through a person or people who play this role in the word priest is the standard biblical word to talk about this role that stands at the interface of heaven and earth. A person who connects you to heaven. Essentially. At its most basic level. That's the most basic level.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And using biblical Jewish and Christian imagery, it would be priests or people who are connecting points of heaven and earth. You know, my neighbor wouldn't say it that way. But my neighbor would say, talk about the divine or the ultimate energy or something So you know when she goes to do whatever she does to connect to the divine It's often led by you know a studio or meditation studio. She goes to
Starting point is 00:14:17 So the underneath it is the sense buried deep in most humans that there's something bigger going on Mm-hmm, and I need access via someone else. And I want to connect to it, but to learn how to, where to find those little channels between my realm and the ultimate divine realm, I need a gateway person. Yeah. And what we're talking about, even my neighbor wouldn't use the word, is the role of a priest.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Right. You wouldn't go to yoga studio and say, can I meet with priest? You don't. Yeah, right. It's the priest-eventy sessions. Yeah. That's right. But your impulse is the same. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:54 So to register, when we were talking about priests, we're talking about the way the biblical story is addressing that, pretty universal human impulse, to connect to the transcendent and the divine. And the story that the Bible has to tell about the role of the priesthood and the fate of the priesthood throughout the history of Israel and in the story of Jesus, it's all super interesting and dramatic. But that's the basic role. To be a priest is to stand at the meeting point of heaven and earth to represent people to the divine realm, it's a person that's representing others,
Starting point is 00:15:34 but then also to represent the divine to people. So this is a normal human impulse that transcends any specific religious expression. However, in the Bible, there is a very specific way that this is expressed, that, well, I'm sure we're gonna get into of how priests work. In ancient Israel, around the Tabernacle and the Temple and such. Correct. Yeah, that's the core idea. However, as it always is with the Bible,
Starting point is 00:16:03 things are not what they seem. Preces play a always is with the Bible, things are not what they seem. Priests play a big role in the Bible. Aaron is the first high priest of Israel. He and his sons working in the Tavernacle. There's kind of an important biblical figure named Eli. He's another important priest in the spotlight. Samuel plays another role of a priest. When Solomon builds his temple, he installs or re-installs kind of a new line of the priesthood through a guy named righteousness. Or Zadok. And then of course, there's lots of priests and the high priest Caiaphas in the story of Jesus. Play a major, major role. So the high priest in the story of Israel plays this really important and
Starting point is 00:16:46 significant role, but the introduction of the priesthood into the life in story of Israel is fraught with problems and interesting complications. And the Israelite priests are not the first priests that appear in the Bible, which is also interesting. So the first priest we meet is Genesis 14. Is in Genesis 14. Is that Michael? Yeah, he's called that he fits into the category of people groups called Amorites. He's one of the people of Canaan.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Yeah. He's not in Israelite. His name is Melchizedek, which means my king is a righteous one. And he's a non-Israelite priest of ancient Jerusalem. Previous, religious. The rabbit hole goes deep with this man, right? Oh yeah, oh yeah. We'll go down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:17:31 Okay. But that's the first priest we meet in the Bible. But the concept of priesthood. There's a common theme that comes up in our theme video discussions. So when you're doing a theme study, you can't just look for the word. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:43 That's important, but you gotta look for where the ideas appear that that word is trying to connect to. Well, and we've been doing this long enough. I think I know where, because we've talked what we talked about, Genesis 2, Adam and Eve. Well, I don't know if it's Adam and Eve at this point, but yeah, Forms Adam out of the dirt, makes Eve splits him in half, makes Eve. You're the image of God
Starting point is 00:18:06 He plants them in the garden and says to work and keep yes, okay. We'll come back to that We'll come back to that. Yes, totally. We'll do Genesis one and two and just in that moment here I'll we always start with Genesis, so I thought we were oh No, you were doing the right thing. I just first want to register that there's a unique problem in trying to talk about the priest's food. And I actually recently just taught a whole class on this at Western Seminary here in Portland to try and like work this all out. Because priests, when they first appear in the Bible,
Starting point is 00:18:35 Melchizedek, this canine priest king, the first one you meet. And he's just introduced like you're supposed to know who he is and what he does. Right. Like here's, he's just called a priest. And the narrator doesn't say, now here's what a priest is because he's the first like you're supposed to know who he is and what he does. Right. Like here's, he's just called a priest. And the narrator doesn't say, now here's what a priest is because he's the first one you're meeting.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And then it's just assumed. Right. So the Bible leaves ambiguous what the word priest refers to or at least it's ambiguous if you haven't picked up all of the clues that are happening on pages one and two as to what kind of characters the ideal humans are. In Genesis one, and the role the Adam and Eve are invited to fill. In Genesis two. But the roles at the priest play is not technically unique to the priests. For there to be a figure in the Bible that stands at the intersection of the divine and human,
Starting point is 00:19:20 there are other important biblical roles that also do the same thing, but in a slightly different way. 1 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 個 So this kind of a new way of putting it. So I'm gonna try it out on you. Right. If you go through the Hebrew Bible, you'll notice the almost all the characters in the main spotlight fit into one of three main categories, either profit, royal, king, or queen, or priest modes. And what all of those roles involve is somebody representing another group before God, and then representing God to that group. So we've been talking about this with priests. What is unique about priests is where they do it.
Starting point is 00:20:45 If you were to meet Aaron, Israel's high priest, like out at the well, on like Wednesday. Getting your Wednesday water. Yeah, totally. You wouldn't have the experience of I'm meeting with God's presence right now. Okay. The point is is when he steps into the tabernacle
Starting point is 00:21:00 and puts on those clothes, then he turns into something. Okay. He turns into something. He turns into that conduit. It's about the office and in this sacred space wearing those symbolic clothes, he becomes that gateway between heaven and earth. But not when you go meet him out there. But the king, if you met a king, doesn't matter where he is.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Yeah, there are multiple people. This happens in the story of David multiple times where somebody will be talking to him and they'll say seeing your face is like seeing the face of God. And more than once, people say this to David. And no matter where he is, he is embodying God's rule, at least ideally, when the king is representing the covenant God well, he's representing God's ordering authority and generous power and order there.
Starting point is 00:21:53 And so what the king does can affect all the people and he represents the people for God and God for the people. And the king does that anywhere. But then you also have the prophet. And the prophet is also somebody who encounters the divine, usually in visions or dreams, in a way that they find themselves like right in God's presence, and it freaks them out. But then they go out from that encounter, and then they mediate God's message, his word, and purpose to the people. So prophets, priests, and kings all have something in common, even though they
Starting point is 00:22:27 kind of do it in unique ways in different audiences and realms, they have something in common underneath them. And that thing that's underneath them, I think the way the biblical story works is that thing at the core is what Genesis 1 and 2 is trying to tell us about what all humans are capable of and made for. But in the story of the Bible, these roles get split apart into these different offices so that some people only embody some of that divine representation. Does that make any sense? Yeah, see the last part again. As we're going to see on pages one and two,
Starting point is 00:23:07 all humanity, male and female, are described in these highly elevated terms that will just kind of revisit, just to remind ourselves of. But then as you go throughout the story of the Bible, what you meet are individuals who often fill part of that ideal vision of Genesis 1 and 2. So you'll meet a prophet and you know he represents the word of God to the people. He doesn't rule anything and he's not called to, he's not supposed to. In fact, what he often does is confront the rulers and then you get rulers who embody God's authority,
Starting point is 00:23:42 but dude, they're like, you know, they multiply wives and love to have lots of sex and then murder people and abuse their power. And then you get priests who in the sacred space embody Yahweh, well, except when they build idols and lead the people into the idolatry and worship. It's as if the ideal role that's a unified whole gets fractured and split apart. The Prophet Priest King role. Yeah. Yeah. Which would be a shorthand to describe that role. The thing underneath all of them?
Starting point is 00:24:13 Yeah. Yes, I'm going to propose we just call it being the image of God. Yeah. Yeah. Great. That's the thing underneath. As you get exiled from the garden with stupid self-assuments, what you find are stories about humans who, when they're at their best, reflect part, reflect an aspect of that
Starting point is 00:24:32 image of God in a royal way, or in a priestly way, or in a prophetic way. Nevably, they always fail and blow it, and then you're on to the next generation to see who might arise as the image of God. But this is a perspective that's helped me make sense of why all the characters in the Bible tend to fill one of these three roles. And why when they're at their best, they do one of these three things, profit priest or king.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Or a combination of the... Sometimes a combination, yeah. Like Moses is a prophet and a priest. David is a priest and a king. Actually, it takes on the roles of the prophet. David, more than any other character in the revival, takes on. That's all three. Takes on all three until...
Starting point is 00:25:11 When is he kind of a prophetic when he's running for his life? Actually, near the end, it's the little poems that he writes at the end of his life. He talks about how the spirit of Yahweh is speaking through him. And he utters this parable about the meaning of kingship. But David would become the closest of any character and Moses coming in a hot second. But other than that, most people are one of those two. And then when Jesus comes onto the scene,
Starting point is 00:25:38 he is painted in as clear colors as anybody can see if you know how to follow the hyperlinks in the Gospels and the design patterns. Jesus is presented as a Prophet Priest King with all three. Now that is something I definitely learned early on, this Prophet Priest King terminology. I think what's new is this vocabulary of image of God underneath of it, is a cool texture. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:07 But yeah, this idea of these offices, Prophet Priest and King, and Jesus fulfills them that he is the ultimate version of those. There's a small town poet's song, I don't know if it's called Prophet Priest King, but we'll play it during the break. I think we're allowed to do that.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Yeah, I think so. Cool. I don't think I've heard it. They were like at late 90s, 2000, early 2000s Christian band. Oh, okay. That was interesting. Yeah, I got it. High school in early college.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Yeah, so I was very familiar with that. Yeah, yeah. Those roles almost as one thought of as kind of like one thing, the Prophet Priest King, that could be separated, but that ultimately of as kind of like one thing. The Prophet Priest King. Yeah. That could be separated, but that ultimately are all kind of together talking about how to mediate God to us. Yeah, that's right. Each of those three is a different way of mediating heaven and earth, God and people.
Starting point is 00:26:57 They all do it. And the priest in particular does it in these symbolic Eden spaces where heaven and earth are one or at least are supposed to be one. That's the unique kind of contribution of the priestly office to embody God, to people, and embody people before God in the heaven and earth space. Yeah. And that's the theme that the heaven and earth space being the tabernacle or the temple. Yep, which is Being you're being eaten and then yeah the tabernacle or in temple. Yeah, yeah reflections of Eden Yeah, it's you know, it's making me think this video theme video in priests though, but the way you're starting it. I know It's almost like I just it almost seems like this is three videos. I know. I'd actually, as I was putting these notes together, it occurred to me.
Starting point is 00:27:49 The image of God trilogy. That may be the case. The image of God trilogy. It is a cool way. For me, it's been a very helpful way to start this way and then follow the threads through. Well, I wonder if we could revisit the image of God video and then just build off of it. Oh, interesting. And do like a trilogy that takes the same style, but then drills down into the those three rules.
Starting point is 00:28:17 It could be a cool trilogy of videos. What would we call it? Well, we already have a video called Image of God. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, if it's a trilogy, it could just be Prophet Priest King. Yeah. We've done like spiritual beings or word studies, we'll have a common intro. Oh, right. Yep. Maybe I could be like that. 30 seconds or identical. Yeah. And you could unpack this thing about the image of God and the three animals. But then go and trace priest and then or go and trace. Correct.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Because it would all start with Adam and Eve. Yeah. And then at some point it would kind of break off and become unique. Yeah. So yeah, that's worth entertaining. I don't know if we'd have to do some macro work on that in terms of season structure.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Oh, yeah. But it could work. Yeah. I'm down for it. Yeah. Well, you gotta get up to get down. So that's kind of the big picture. I thought now we could just revisit Genesis 1 and 2, pretty quickly, because we're covering ground we've done in previous podcasts.
Starting point is 00:29:17 But just to point out and remind ourselves of a couple of things before we're off to the races with Abraham and Mel Kisbeck. lost in the mail, but I knew I was missed when they kissed me through mail. I said my nice gift, never got a note, but my clothes are strides here and over and by. Here I talk of time with a profit priest, when I'm pocketed in blue balloons are cursed like a broom For it's here I can view Where the profit please stand here I'm the reason here
Starting point is 00:30:14 I'm the reason here So maybe here's one way to think about it. There's these three offices or types of people or roles in the Bible, Prophet, Priest King, but there's something that they all have in common that they all embody or represent. So in other words, you can't talk about one of them without also touching on the other. Because prophets often overlap with what priests are and do, who often overlap with what kings and queens are and do and so on. They have unique,
Starting point is 00:30:56 unique misses, but they are all share something in common. Yeah, the commonality being that they're connecting you to God's base. Yeah. So one way to think about it is is we live in a world filled with cars. Filled with cars. Thousands of millions actually. Thousands. There's at least a thousand cars out there. There's a ways. I stop counting after a thousand.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Just too many. So. However, the way, especially in, I guess the West, no, I think this is true. Car manufacturers, very clearly, from people's earliest memories, through advertising, want to make it clear in your mind that not all cars are the same. Different cars have very clear identities.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Sure. Subaru means something, especially here in the Pacific Northwest. Tesla means something. especially here in the Pacific Northwest. Tesla means something. Honda, you know. So if my imagination is only shaped by modern advertising, I think of them as totally different. Totally different.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Because I don't know. This is how advertising works. You're like laying that land for me. No, no, I was more thinking of like wondering what, when you see a Tesla, what comes into your mind that's different than when you see a Subaru. Well, Tesla is different than almost every kind of car. Right, it's kind of nunched out. And Subaru also, but when I think of like the difference
Starting point is 00:32:17 between Ahonda and Toyota, or it gets harder, a Ford and a Chevy. Yeah, maybe just because I'm not a car guy. I'm just kind of like, I'm like, I don't know. I think it's just one or the other. Yeah, totally. There's so many people that would be offended by that. My dad, among them, he's big.
Starting point is 00:32:39 He's all about Chevy. Yeah, anyway. But when I think of like a Volkswagen versus a Subaru versus a Tesla versus a Ford, yeah, totally. They have their own identities. Yeah, yeah, that's right. However, they all have something in common that's more important than their different brand identities. And that's that they are automobiles. Like, we have a very clear vocabulary word to talk about what kind of thing they are. Cars. Yeah, they're cars.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Well, cars, automobiles. Automobiles. Automobiles. So there's something similar going on here that when you're reading the Bible, it seems like prophets, priests, and kings are all, they're often at odds with each other, doing different things. They seem like they're all very different from each other. But they actually are all more similar than they are different. One's electric powered, one has a pickup bed. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. The king wears like a crown with gems, and the priest wears a, a turban crown with a gold plate, you know, and prophets wear, I don't know, camo hair and eat locust and honey. But the point is that in the biblical storyline, there's more connecting them than there is differentiating them. And that is what the big part of what Genesis 1 and 2 are trying to say to us. Every human you're going to meet in this story is an image of God with this particular kind of vocation to stand at the story is an image of God, with this particular kind of vocation,
Starting point is 00:34:05 to stand at the intersection of heaven and earth. And so when you meet these different figures, that's what's most come to mind. So the image of God is to the Prophet Priest King, what the concept of automobile is to the Tesla Honda Superb. It's helpful for me, and it was entertaining to think up the illustration. I'm going to walk you. Okay, on page one of Genesis, humans are introduced as the climactic element in the six days of God splitting and ordering and filling the cosmos with inhabitants. There's a short poem that goes along with God's speech about these humans. The poem is in Genesis 1 verse 27, and then it's surrounded on both sides by these statements
Starting point is 00:35:38 about what God wants the humans to do, what they're here for. Well, non-lines, but I'll just kind of read them again one more time. So then God said, let us make human a dham, Hebrew word a dham, in our image according to our likeness, and let them rule. Or I think more precisely, let us make human in our image according to our likeness in order that they may rule. The way the Hebrew sentence is put together there, that last Let them Rule is most likely like a purpose clause.
Starting point is 00:36:09 I'm not to take your word for it. Yeah, it's okay. It's pretty common actually. Ibrou rule of grammar, but Let them Rule over what? The fish of the sea, the water swimmers and the sky flyers, in the waters above and below. Which were just created in the previous parts of the story. On day five.
Starting point is 00:36:26 And then over the cattle, over all the land, and the creepers creeping on the land. That was the first part of day six. And then here's the little three-line poem. God created human in his image. In the image of God, he created it, or him, that is the cleft of humanity. Oh, humanity.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Humanity as a species species and of what does that humanity human consist male and female he created them and God bless them and said to them be fruitful multiply fill the land and we're back to the ruling so do it rule over the fish see birds of sky live in creature on the land so one common thing and we trace this out in our image of God video and podcast series, is that part of what's happening is God installing a royal representative. Out of all the creatures he just made on the land and in the air and then the sea, yeah, he appoints. Yeah, he points one to be responsible for the others to bear
Starting point is 00:37:26 responsibility and to represent them to and to represent God's own rule and authority and stewardship of creation. And the words subdue. Is that connected to what God was doing? Was he subduing chaos and such or is it? What's going on? That's interesting. I think that's one layer in terms of there was a dark chaotic ocean as an image of the disorder, or I guess more technically non-order existed. It didn't exist because to be in the non-order state is to not exist. In the Hebrew thought. So yeah, God subdued the darkness and the disorder. And so humans
Starting point is 00:38:09 are to imitate that as they look out and see more disordered, uninhabited realms to imitate what God did on days one through six. I think that's one. I also think there's a hint that there will be elements of creation that are resistant to them that will require a little more aggression. Thorns and tisels. Thorns and tisels, or in this case, creatures like a snake, that Adam and Eve do not subdued the snake. They end up being subdued and ruled by it, so to speak. I think it's also foreshadowing that there's something in creation that might need a little more
Starting point is 00:38:46 aggressive treatment. Yeah, it's an aggressive word. And dolly. Subdu. Subdu. Yeah, that's right. If I was hiring someone to be a gardener and I came and said, hey, come and take care of my garden. Yes. That's very different than, hey, can you come subdu my lawn? Maybe, but man, at least in our part of Portland, the squirrels aggressively attack the plants, the Jessica plants. They find the seeds and eat them
Starting point is 00:39:13 before the plants even have it. They all are some flowers, before they even had a chance to sprout. So. I love squirrels. You know what we got right now, bunnies. What? Bunnies all over.
Starting point is 00:39:23 What? Yeah. Well, you live near a large park. Yeah, I live near a park, but still I've never seen Bunnies. No, I never see Bunnies in Portland. Yeah. My kids are trying to get trapped. Wild little Bunnies. Wow.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Yeah. Very interesting. Just a little fact, maybe because of the quarantine. That's right. So subdoing. OK. So humans as representing God's royal power and authority, and this connects to a pretty well-known thought world
Starting point is 00:39:48 in ancient Near East about kings appointing their statues in distant lands that they've come to have authority over. And it's an image of the ruler. So there are a lot of scholars that connect what's going on here in Genesis 1 to that. Living statues. Totally. So that's definitely a part of what's going on here in Genesis 1 to that. Living statues. Totally. So, that's definitely a part of what's going on.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Yeah. There is another layer to it. The word used to describe the image. There's two, seldom, the word image or statue. And then, demute is something that's physically similar. Is demute a likeness? Correct. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:23 So, if you search on these words, especially at Selam image, it's one of the standard biblical Hebrew words used to describe idle statues of other gods throughout the rest. So these are the things that Israelites are to avoid when they go into the land, and whether it's images of the Canaanite God, Baal or Baal and so on. So this is another part of it too, then. And where do those statues always go? They go in shrines and sacred places or in temples. So this is a layer of the image of God.
Starting point is 00:40:58 The kind of came more in my radar after I really became clear on the royal representation, but this idea of humans as the idol statue of God in the sacred space. That's what a Hebrew reader would pick up here, because it's the word idol statue. So here's a couple scholars, Sean Dean McBride, here he has a great way of putting it. He says this unifying image in humankind, he's referring to the fact that all humans are said to be the image of God, male and female, who is to call it unifying. This unifying image in humankind has a sacramental as well as a corporal function. You know when like some people talking to you
Starting point is 00:41:47 just realize like you just, you exist on a different intellectual plane than me. So. So. Because that makes perfect sense to you. You framed it in such a beautiful way. Yeah, totally. But I have no idea where you're going.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Okay, sacramental means that overlapping of heaven and earth, it's a place where the divine and human meet together, sacramental means that overlapping of heaven and earth, it's a place where the divine and the human meet together. Sacramental. Corporal, it's from the word corpus or corp's body, or incarnate. So the image of God has a couple of dimensions to it. One, the place where God and human are one, but it's not just that they represent people before God,
Starting point is 00:42:27 it's that they are a physical embodiment of the divine presence. That's what he means by corporeal. He goes on to say, Adam beings or Adam beings, human beings are animate icons like that. It's the statue, the image. The peculiar purpose for their creation is, and then he spells it uses just a Greek word, a Theophonic, which is a compound Greek word, meaning revealing the God, God revealing. To represent or mediate the sovereign presence of the deity within the central nave of the cosmic temple, just as cult images were supposed to do in conventional sanctuaries. This means that humanity is an inherently ambivalent species, whose existence blurs by design the otherwise sharp distinction between creator and creation. That was such an interesting way of putting it.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Blur the distinction between Creator and Creation. Part of the prohibition against idolatry in the Bible is don't mistake anything in creation for the Creator. But there's one thing that it's okay to blur that line. Yes, humans. Humans. Which means it can go well. When you have a human who truly is an embodiment of the divine will, purpose, and presence, you get eaten. But when a human misrepresents God, oh, that's bad. Or when that human misrepresents humans before God, like high priests and kings often do in the Bible, then that goes bad too. So it's sort of like the stakes are high
Starting point is 00:44:12 for great good or for great evil. Well, I've heard that sentiment before. I think, see, as Lewis talked about that, where you have an evil cow. They can't do as much damage. Oh, sure, yeah, that's right. Like an evil wolf could You can't do as much damage. Oh, sure. That's right. Like an evil wolf could do more damage than,
Starting point is 00:44:29 can't do as much damage as like an evil person. Yes. Which, that makes sense. But here, I'm hearing something even more, which is, well, that was talking about like a progression of your autonomy or agency. Agency or something. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:44:45 A cow can do more than a rock and a human can do more than a cow. And then so there's this degree, the spectrum of agency, where I feel like what he's saying is there's, he's not talking on a spectrum, he's talking about two different domains. There's the created and there's the creator. And it's very clear domains and Also, there's two domains and that there's spiritual beings. Let us make humans in our image Yeah, that's right. Elohim and host of the sky host the skies. There's this that realm. Yeah, and then there's the land realm
Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, and what I see here with McBride is he's saying, humans exist in this blurry middle that while we live in the land realm were meant to be in the likeness of this of the Elohim. Yeah. And that hasn't so much to do necessarily with our agency. It just has to do with our purpose. Yeah, that's right. Let them rule as images of the divine. Now we happen to have a lot of agency. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you could say in the words of Salmaid, it's just how remarkable that this species of dirt creature has such a sense of elevated purpose and identity
Starting point is 00:46:03 among all the other creatures. Yeah. And so I'll make it a saying, and Genesis 1 is saying that's not just our imaginations, that's something above and beyond that's speaking to us. Now by the way, that is a big critique of religion, especially nowadays, where that's been a fault line for religious people is to like be so anthropocentric, what's the word? Oh, I see. Yeah, humanistic, right? Yeah, we're like be so anthropocentric. What's the word? Yeah, humanistic, grandma. Yeah, we're like, we're the center of the universe.
Starting point is 00:46:31 And then we're realizing, no, we're actually floating around a star and just like some random corner of the universe. Yeah, sure. Yeah, those kind of sentiments have gotten us off track when it comes to certain scientific revelations. Yeah, however, I know that there are lots of philosophers of science who are coming back to a way of envisioning the
Starting point is 00:46:54 development of the human species as an important culminating moment that would not be possible. Even if somebody doesn't think it's purposeful for humans to exist, the existence of consciousness and self-consciousness is something that wouldn't be possible unless those quasars were doing what they're doing, you know, millions of light years away. The whole cosmic package is, we're working in a conscious way that makes consciousness possible. And so whether or not that consciousness is the center of the universe,
Starting point is 00:47:27 or central to the drama of the universe. Or the purpose of the universe. Right, people debate that. It's an interesting way to think of the way the biblical authors are trying to get to the heart of something that we still experience and think about today. I guess my question would be,
Starting point is 00:47:40 would it be normal for an ancient person during this time, this was written to think of humans as the center center because it seems like other ancient myths and stuff Humans were sometimes not they were kind of an afterthought or they were that's right. Just something to be put up with yes Yeah, yeah, that's right like in yeah, the Babylonian creation stories They're the blood of a god who's throat was slit to make mud so that the gods could have slaves that give them food. That's not a very elegant role. So yeah, this is a uniquely elevated view of the whole human species in the ancient world.
Starting point is 00:48:16 The image of God. It's a landmark moment in the history of human thought. And what I want to bring out here and what McBride is specifically putting his finger on is the fact that the word used elsewhere and biblical Hebrew is the word for the statue that goes in the sacred space of the of a shrine or a temple That's what he meant by the central nave Mm-hmm. It's the thing that you would see when you go into the equivalent of a Canaanite neighbors Holy of Holies of their temple to Bale, you would go in and see the Selam in the hotspot of the Divine Presence.
Starting point is 00:48:51 And so that's what McBride's saying, is the conception of the cosmos in Genesis 1, is that of a cosmic sacred space, or heaven and earth are one, and the statue at the center is not a statue, It's an animate icon. And here we're very close to this priestly dimension of the image of God. The representation of God and human as one in the sacred space. And that's essentially what at least the biblical priesthood is meant to be all about. And you're saying this is also the foundation for the idea of being a prophet and a king as well? Yeah, the image of God is what's underneath all of it.
Starting point is 00:49:30 All of it. But the statue element. Yes. It's pretty direct line to the sacred space. The sacred space. That's right. Priestlyness. Is there any other direct lines to?
Starting point is 00:49:39 Well, the royal king is let them rule. The fact that it's a word used to describe the statue that goes in the temple space. That's kind of priestly. Be the priestly. And then the prophet, humans as a vehicle back and forth of the divine word is more comes out in the Eden narrative. The next narrative.
Starting point is 00:49:58 So just one thing to touch on that real quick, for we kind of launch off into the rest of the Bible. So in the Eden narrative, Garden of Eden narrative in chapter 2, there's just an important little segment I want to focus on. It's verses 15 through 17 of chapter 2. I'll let you read it. And Yahweh God took the human, and he rested him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And Yahweh God commanded the human saying,
Starting point is 00:50:58 from every tree of the Garden, you may surely eat. But from the tree of knowledge of good and bad, you shall not eat from it. For in the day that you eat from it, you will surely die. Mm-hmm. So lots of we couldn't focus on. I just want to hone in on this to work and keep.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Yeah. This is, in Genesis 1, the job is to rule. Rule and subdue. subdue. In Genesis 2, they're put in a garden to work and keep. This is a great example of what scholars will call a double-on-tondra, where you use a word that has multiple different meanings depending on the context, but you actually aren't intentionally meaning.
Starting point is 00:51:43 You want the reader to think about all the more than one. More than one. Yeah. So, to work, it's the Hebrew word avad. It's the one in the standard word is to work. It's actually just like in English. I'm going to work. It can refer to anything.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Gardening, typing on a computer, driving a car. Driving trucks. Driving trucks, that's work. Driving cars, driving people around. That's work. That's a lot of work. The word avad, however, is also the word you use in Hebrew when you talk about showing your allegiance to someone by serving them and it often gets translated either to serve God or to worship God. So in Exodus chapter 3, yeah, God tells Moses that when you bring the people out of Egypt, bring them all back here to this mountain where they will avad God, where
Starting point is 00:52:31 they will worship God. But it's the same word for work. Yeah, that's right. On top of that, when you have the priests being described doing their work in the temple of offering incense and praying and singing and offering sacrifices, their work in the temple of offering incense and praying and singing and offering sacrifices, their work in the book of Numbers and Beyond is called by the same word, avad, or the noun avodah. And well, if it's a priest in the temple doing their work, or leading the people in prayer, it's their work, but it is worship. And that's where we have different English words, work and worship, and serve in Hebrew, avad, depending on context, can activate all those.
Starting point is 00:53:11 The same word in Hebrew for work and worship. Yes. Why didn't I know this? Yeah, I don't know. But you know what now? I've talked a lot about theology of work. Yeah. You never gave me that little nugget. Oh, sorry, man.
Starting point is 00:53:23 I thought I had. Now I got it. Yeah, you got it. So when he says to the human, he rests him in the garden to a Vod. On one level, you read, well, it's a garden. There's going to be work. Yeah. Do some pruning. Yeah, but the garden is a place where heaven and earth are one. And it's the reality to which the later temple and tabernacle will point. And so to do work in that space is worship. Now it says to work it. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Yes. What do you mean to worship it? Yeah. And that's where, yeah, there's a rabbit hole with actually what it refers to. Is there a, what is it in grammar or what? Oh, well. Is that a preposition?
Starting point is 00:54:04 In the session structure you would think it refers back to the garden. Yeah. But the way the nouns work, it doesn't agree, doesn't seem to do that. It seems a point to the word land that comes back up a number of verses ago. Oh. That's a whole other thing. But so again, in its immediate reference, it's referring to the gardening work in the level of this narrative.
Starting point is 00:54:23 But once you see it in terms of the design patterns of what the garden represents, the worship aspect of this word meaning will pop out to you on your second and third read. Just because that's the same word. Because it's the same word. And what you're going to later see priests doing in the tabernacle will use the same word. Yeah, which is a sacred kind of work. Yeah, that's right. So the priest of odd in the temple and Adam and Eve of odd in garden. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And actually the same goes with the word keep, the word shamar and standard word for just keep. You know, I keep my keys or I keep my, whatever. Sanity. Sanity, I try. But to keep the avodah, to keep the work keys or I keep my, whatever. Sanity. Sanity. I try. But to keep the avodah, to keep the work, or to keep the practices of the sanctuary, this is a standard.
Starting point is 00:55:14 And all through the book of numbers, chapter three, chapter eight, chapter 18, this is the word used to describe what the priests are doing as they do their work in temple. So they avad and they shamar, they work and they keep. So it's a good meditation literature point where once you read through the Torah and then you come back to the Eden narrative and you're like, I get it. It would be, the analogy is using language that's appropriate to one thing to describe another thing. So the graduate school library at the University of Wisconsin was designed in the 50s, massive, massive research library. I would get lost in there for
Starting point is 00:55:52 days and often did. But it is like a fortress. It's designed as a fortress and there are many, many floors that just have no windows. You'll be on the 10th floor, and there's like no windows. In the whole, on that whole floor, you never, we never know. So you feel like you're in a dungeon. Yeah, it's like a casino. Yeah, that's totally, that's exactly what it's like. What time of day is it?
Starting point is 00:56:16 Yes. Yeah, just all sense of time has gone. So yeah, you could refer to, you know, putting in a day at the research libraries, going to the, into libraries, going into the mind or into the dungeon, or anything. Anyway, this is maybe not very fruitful, for example, it might be entertaining. So when Adam and Eve are said to Avalanche Amar to work into Keep, it's using priestly
Starting point is 00:56:38 loaded vocabulary to describe what they're doing. And attentive readers of the Bible, it's designed to pick that up. Here, John Walton brings clarity on this point. It's on the bottom of page 8. He puts it this way, in his book, The Lost World of Adam and Eve. He says, the tasks given to Adam are of a priestly nature, caring for sacred space.
Starting point is 00:57:02 In ancient thinking, caring for sacred space was a way of upholding creation. By preserving order, non-order is held at bay. If the priestly vocabulary of Genesis 2 verse 15, which we just read, indicates the same kind of thinking, the point of caring for sacred space should be seen as much more than just landscaping, or even than just priestly duties.
Starting point is 00:57:25 He wants us to think bigger picture. He says, maintaining order made one a participant with God in the ongoing task of sustaining the equilibrium God established in the cosmos. This kind of, you brought this up a little earlier. In Egyptian thinking, they attached this not only to the role of priests as they maintain sacred space in the temple, but also to the king, whose task was to complete what was unfinished, to preserve the existence not as its status quo, but in a continuing dynamic
Starting point is 00:57:55 revolutionary process of remodeling and improvement. This combines the subduing and ruling of Genesis 1 with the working and keeping of Genesis 2. So it's pretty complete, it's a robust picture in this ancient kind of context that you get from this here. So the fact that there's Cherubim stationed at the borders of the garden, that at the very center are all of these sacred trees, the gift of eternal life, humans, and divine priests, kings, the fact that God commanded the human here, and that everything depends on humans hearing the divine command.
Starting point is 00:58:37 And what Adam and Eve don't do to each other is relay the word of God to each other in the garden. It's where the prophetic part comes in. Adam and Eve were supposed to ideally be partners together, and in that moment with the snake that one could tell the other, no, this is what God said. It's all about the word of God. What did God say?
Starting point is 00:58:58 And it's about the word of God getting twisted by a deceptive figure. And so instead of representing God's word to each other, which is the prophetic role, the priestly king and queen are exiled from the Eden space. And from then on, what you're going to meet is these royal prophet-priest roles, all fragmented and broken out now. And you will almost never meet anybody where all of them overlap in that image of God. Again, Moses gets close, David gets really
Starting point is 00:59:32 close, but ultimately it's the portrait of Jesus in the Gospels that they're painting him as the first character in the story of the Bible that recaptures this ideal vision of humanity from Genesis 1 and 2, Prophet, Priest and King. I got this picture of a mirror fracturing into pieces and then being introduced to these little fragments of the mirror and some of them are just shard, some of them are a little bit more put together. Yeah, and yeah, that's good. That's kind of the idea as you go out. So what I want to trace from here then is kind of how the unique role of the the priest, the one who represents God, human, and humans to God in the sacred space. How does that theme get uniquely developed? And more
Starting point is 01:00:21 specifically, how does it illuminate Jesus? If the Bible is unify story leading to Jesus, it means there's a whole priestly layer to Jesus as identity and who he thought he was and what he was doing. And there's a priestly layer to the identity of its followers and how we should think about ourselves and talk about ourselves using this priestly concept. That's kinda, that's what we're after. Is it what we go from here? 21. We're just getting started in this series on the podcast, but if you're hungry for a little bit more right now, I'd recommend a sermon that Tim Mackie did called Jesus is your priest. You can find that on exploring my strange Bible. That's a companion podcast of some of Tim's prior sermons that he's
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