BibleProject - The Restless Craving for Rest––Top 5: Re-Release E3

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

Earn it, lose it, take it, spend it, save it––we talk about time like currency. The Sabbath can be confusing to talk about, but it is God’s reminder to humanity that time is not a possession. In... the third of our five most-listened-to podcasts, join Tim and Jon as they explore why the Sabbath is far less about a weekend or special religious service and far more about rescue and God’s miraculous provision.QUOTETo say that the Sabbath belongs to God is to jar you into remembering time doesn’t belong to us. We talk about time like it’s currency––earn it, lose it, take it, spend it, save it. It’s like one of our possessions. Shabbat is a ritual practice that determines reality and helps us renounce our autonomy. The seventh day reminds us of rescue, miraculous provision, and of God coming through for us in a way that we couldn’t do ourselves.Show produced by Cooper Peltz, Dan Gummel, and Zach McKinley. Show notes by Lindsey Ponder. Powered and distributed by Simplecast.Original episode and show notes are available here.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is John. And this is Tim. And for the last few weeks and for the next couple of weeks, we are re-releasing episodes from our back catalog, the five most listened to podcast episodes in our 250 plus podcast series. Yeah, we've been rocking a weekly podcast for over five years and it's been amazing, so much fun,
Starting point is 00:00:22 but we've also never taken a break. So we're taking a few weeks to take a break. And, you know, the next series is going to start after this. We're really excited about that. But yeah, the Seventh Day Rest series. Do you remember this? A couple years ago. Yeah, we did this series as part of a bigger focus on themes that happen in Genesis 1 and 2.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Yeah. And one of them was on the theme of in Genesis 1 and 2. Yeah. And one of them was on the theme of rest on Sabbath, stopping. The video that came out of these conversations was called Sabbath. But we were calling it Seventh Day Rest. This was the first episode in that series. It's the third most listened to episode in our whole catalog. And it's great to think about rest because that's what we're doing right now. Oh, that's a good...
Starting point is 00:01:07 As we're resting. Yeah. For us, this isn't just like have some vacation. You know, the Sabbath as an important principle that you build into your life, rhythms where you stop and rest and reflect and show gratefulness. It's like a discipline.
Starting point is 00:01:23 And it's actually a pretty strange tradition to have because it just doesn't help you actually survive in the world super well. I think I need to re-listen to this episode. Yeah, this episode is going to be great. If you enjoy it, there's a whole series on Seventh-day rest and also a YouTube video we made.
Starting point is 00:01:42 It's one of my favorite videos. We hope you enjoy this re-released episode. The Restless Craving for Rest, Seventh Day Rest, Episode 1. We live in a busy, fast-paced world. We can shop, eat, and work any hour of the day. Most of us live with constant access to the internet, and if you're like me, you're constantly checking your phone for news and updates. There's always a new deadline, a new urgent request, a new problem to solve.
Starting point is 00:02:15 One day bleeds into the next. Life can be hectic, and it can be exhausting. And then we get to the Bible, and there's an idea, a theme, that you may have heard of, but if you're like me, you might not know a lot about. It's the idea of the Sabbath. At its most basic, it's that you stop. The word Sabbath means stop, the word Shabbat in Hebrew. There are actually other words for rest, like in English, we think of like laying down and relaxing and being rejuvenated. To do those things, you have to Shabbat, but the word Shabbat, its basic meaning is to cease from, to stop. I'm John Collins, and this is the Bible Project Podcast. Now, the Hebrew word Shabbat is where our English word
Starting point is 00:03:02 Sabbath comes from. And you may have heard of people observing a Sabbath day, an entire day of stopping from your work. Or you might have heard of people taking sabbaticals, long breaks from their work. But this practice comes from a much larger theme in the Bible. The practice of Shabbat is just one way to think about something way bigger going on, which is about this design of time, all culminating in a seventh, a seventh day. God creates the heavens and the earth in six days. And on the seventh day, he stops. He enters his creation and he rests and rules.
Starting point is 00:03:39 And humans are there with God to rule and rest with him on the seventh day. The seventh day is like a multifaceted gem. And as the concept develops through the story of the Bible, we're going to discover in different story after story that there's going to be different ways and angles and facets that get you to the core. One of the main facets is the fabric of creation as leading towards a great goal where humans imitate God and join him in ceasing from work and labor.
Starting point is 00:04:14 There's going to be another facet that's all about being enslaved to our labor. And so the seventh day is the time to celebrate our liberation from slavery so that we can rest with God. Today we're beginning a new series, Understanding the Theme of Seventh-Day Rest. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. This is going to be a very long conversation. When we did the God conversation, which turned into a 20-episode podcast, it was about 40 pages of notes.
Starting point is 00:05:03 That's correct. And here in my hand are 41 pages of notes on the Sabbath. On the Sabbath. New discussion for us. This is a Bible Project theme video. I have started reading and writing and collecting notes, I don't know, a couple months ago. So I guess that's when it technically started. But our conversation about it starts now. It will become a theme video at some point. In our future. In the future of this conversation.
Starting point is 00:05:31 At some point when somebody's listening to this, it might be the past when the video's out. Time is relative. Yeah. So, yeah, here we go. I've learned so much as I've been preparing for this conversation. Our office whiteboards are just filled with your beautiful mind notes just all over the place.
Starting point is 00:05:50 And a lot of it too was I hit the Torah hard in study mode about two years ago. It was pretty much I've just been living and breathing, reading and rereading the Torah over and over again. And so I've just been noticing, collecting all these observations, specifically around patterns of the number seven, woven into the narrative and poetry of the Torah. And then as I started to think about this conversation, all of a sudden it hit me like it's all connected to Sabbath.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And so then I'd start collecting stuff on the idea of the actual Sabbath, but all these other narratives and poems in the Pentateuch keep getting pulled into the conversation, thus 40 pages of things for us to talk about. Sweet. Yeah, dude. I learned so much. I'm excited to learn.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And I'm actually not even done. I've just outlined the New Testament stuff in these notes. I haven't actually filled it in. Oh, really? Yeah. Great. I haven't actually filled it in. Oh, really? Yeah. Great. I'm sorry you're welcome. This theme wasn't on your original list.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, I don't know when it dawned on me like this is an organizing main theme of the entire biblical story. Yeah. Literally begins with the opening line of Genesis. Really? In terms of its literary design. Cool. Yeah. Literally begins with the opening line of Genesis. Really? In terms of its literary design. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. So like you, when we started this project, you had about 25 theme videos. Correct. And then what happened was we started thinking about doing a series on
Starting point is 00:07:18 Genesis one through three, a creation series. And so basically like five or six ideas that are really important to those chapters. And Sabbath was one of them. And instead of treating it as a creation series, we decided just to treat them all as separate theme videos. And so are we forcing this to be a theme or you think this is like a biblical theme? Oh, it definitely is. Cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:41 In terms of our usual criteria of introduced on pages one, two, and three, developed, worked over and over and over again in repeating developments throughout the Hebrew scriptures, there's a culminating moment in the story of Jesus, which then launches you out into the new creation, the Sabbath. It actually probably is even more a theme in that way than many of the some of the other themes that we have made videos about cool it's just it's everywhere sweet yeah it's awesome yeah well let's get into it all right Thank you. So let's first do this. Instead of first going to Genesis 1,
Starting point is 00:08:57 let's talk about a memory that you and I share and then connected to a memory that I have from the year that my wife and I lived in Jerusalem. And I was studying there. And our apartment was in West Jerusalem, not far from like the old medieval walls of the old city. And we lived by the largest outdoor market in Jerusalem. It's a famous tourist spot now, which is why years later you and I went there. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:27 It's called Machne Yehuda, the Camp of Judah. That's what that phrase means. But do you remember that market? I remember we ate lunch there. Yeah, we hung out for a couple hours. Yeah, we were at the market, and then we went and found some lunch. That's right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:40 So probably takes up the equivalent of like an American city, maybe two square blocks of space. But it's just all of these little narrow alleyways in a maze. And every square foot of the walls are little storefronts. And it's really just vendor tables, right? And then it's like fish or meat or berries or nuts or produce or bread and a lot of trinkets yeah and then tons of yeah all kinds of stuff yeah you can get shoes there yeah yeah homewares so when jessica and i lived there our apartment was two blocks away oh wow
Starting point is 00:10:18 so i would never live so close to uh much less like getting oh wait a second i'm thinking of a different place i'm thinking of a different place i'm thinking of the very touristy place the open yeah the market this is where you made me do the shema yes yeah totally yes that's right yes okay all right so we'll get to that okay okay so so we live there two blocks away and it was great because it was like all having a a grocery store but where everything is fresh every day. Yeah. Every day.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Right. And you walk into this place, hundreds of vendors, everybody's yelling like, you know, in Hebrew, of course, or Arabic, like what they're selling, how much, you know, fish, fish, five shekels, five shekels, but in Hebrew. So it's just like really intense, overstimulating. Lots of bodies. Yeah. People bustling in these little narrow alleyways, bargaining over stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:10 You know, it's like old, you'd see an old Jewish woman haggling for her hummus or something. Yeah. Just wonderful. Yeah. So we would basically just go there every couple days and get food for the next couple days. Yeah. Instead of like going once a week or something. Because it was fun to go there.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Yeah. Yeah. So you and I, a number of years later when we visited, we went there. On the Sabbath. That's right. So we were there on Friday afternoon. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:37 So it was about to be the Sabbath. It was. Yep. Yeah. It was the afternoon before Shabbat. That's how you say it in Hebrew. Yeah. For Shabbat, that's how you say it in Hebrew.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah, so there were some young men, Hasidic Jews, who were there doing the equivalent of what some Christian traditions call like street evangelism. Yeah. Do you remember this? Totally. Yeah. They were hanging out in the marketplace, getting people to, well, I didn't know what they were doing. That's right. I kind of, I was like, hey, John, come over here. Let's talk to these guys. Because I knew what they would do to you, but you didn't know what they were doing. That's right. I kind of, I was like, hey, John, come over here. Let's talk to these guys.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Because I knew what they would do to you, but you didn't know. Yeah, but imagine, don't be sorry. Yeah, imagine a street preacher. They want to get your attention and then they want you to engage with them. And they want to convince you of something. That's right. But they're not talking about Jesus. They're Jewish and they want other things from you.
Starting point is 00:12:24 They want you to acknowledge the one God of Israel. So they see some tourists. I think they see you have maybe some olive complexion, olive skin complexion. And they're like, oh, this guy might be in the crew. Yeah, they wrapped these leather straps around you. Well, if you back up, my brother had just like a month previous to this taken one of those 23andMe DNA tests.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Yeah, that's right. And it came back that we have like Ashkenazi Jew, Jewish blood. And we had no idea. So my brother had just shared that with me. I was like, oh, wow. And then we were in Israel. Yeah. And I told you.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Yeah. And it's like 15% or something. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I was like, John, it's time to realize your heritage. So we walked over. These guys were thrilled. And then.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Well, they say, are you Jewish? That's right. And they're talking in Hebrew. And I don't know what they're saying. And then you in Hebrew say, yeah, this guy is Jewish. Yeah. So I'm telling them that he just discovered that he has some Jewish heritage. And then I told them, and he would like to say the Shema.
Starting point is 00:13:29 And they were thrilled. So remember they wrapped? Yeah, they bound. So you have these things called tefillin in Hebrew, but they're these traditional Jewish prayer like regalia. So it's these straps that are connected to prayer practices in certain forms of Judaism they put this thing on your head
Starting point is 00:13:49 do you remember? a little prayer strap with a little box on it that has within it a little scroll that's written on it the Shema and then they had you and then they had me repeat in Hebrew
Starting point is 00:13:59 the Shema and I'm just butchering it because I don't know Hebrew it was awesome yeah it was cool it was yeah Hebrew. It was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. It was, yeah. It was a special moment. Everyone around enjoyed watching you do it.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Yeah. No, I'm glad you made me do that. Definitely a good memory. And they were doing that because they were preparing people for Shabbat. They're there every Friday afternoon because they want to, it's a place where the city gathers, and they're honoring the God of Israel by anybody who's there at the market who maybe their heart isn't right with God. Or maybe they haven't been faithful to the traditions of Israel.
Starting point is 00:14:35 They want to be there to be available in that moment to help any Israelite, any Jew recommit. any Jew, recommit. And what better time to do it than hours before Shabbat so that you could recommit and then go home and fulfill Shabbat maybe in a way you never have before. I didn't notice anyone else doing it. Do they get a lot of people stopping by? It's a good question. I don't know. So when Jessica and I would shop there, because I would have been going to school during the week, and she, Jessica, actually served during the week. She would cross through the checkpoint over into the West Bank, and she would volunteer at Bethlehem Bible College, which is a Palestinian Christian school.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Is that where we visited too? Oh, we visited there too. Yeah, with a group. Yep. So she would volunteer in their administration, in the office, because she's a wizard that way, a wizardess. So Friday afternoon, I would get out of school. She would take the bus back from Bethlehem. We'd meet up, and then we'd just do our weekend shopping, because most of those stores are not going to be open in 24 hours.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Right. And so on Friday afternoon, it's like the crush of people there. And everybody's there getting ready for Shabbat. And so everybody's getting 36, 48 hours worth of food. And so what would happen right before sunset is it's packed because everyone's just got off work. And it's all the busy prep. This is like a weekly rhythm, just like breathing for us. It's just by the clock predictable in this market.
Starting point is 00:16:07 And I remember the first time we were there, and we were pushing it time-wise for Shabbat. And then these men, maybe like half an hour before sunset, these men in long black jackets and robes and the Russian hats, a certain kind of Russian Jewish group that lives across the street in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood called Mea Shurim. And they would run through the market with these little trumpets. I'd never seen anything like it, like maybe a foot long. And they would be tooting on these trumpets. Like, get out of here.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Like, well, you got 30 minutes. Oh, it's like the alarm clock. The 30-minute warning. And then they would come through 10 minutes later with like the 20-minute warning. Yeah. And some people liked it. I could tell some people were annoyed. Because not everyone in the city cares about Shabbat.
Starting point is 00:16:57 That's right. But a lot do. Like what percentage would you say? Oh, I don't know the answer. Yeah. I think it depends in the city. In Jerusalem, I think it's higher. Yeah. Go to Tel Aviv? No don't know the answer. Yeah. I think it depends in the city. In Jerusalem, I think it's higher. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Go to Tel Aviv? No. No. Very few. Yeah. Yeah. I act like I really know. I don't know what the numbers are.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Right. But I remember being in Tel Aviv, which feels like you're in New York. It's a lot more secular. Way secularized. And you couldn't even tell Shabbat started if you're eating at a restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv. But in Jerusalem, it attracts more religious, passionate people. So anyway, so these people would be running through, blowing these horns.
Starting point is 00:17:31 And then, if you happen to be anywhere in the city, at sunset, these sirens go off through the whole city. Oh, wow. Yes. I don't remember that. Because, did we leave the city at that point? Yeah, we would have been gone oh that's right
Starting point is 00:17:45 we did well we did a Shabbat dinner that night yeah that's right so we were there at that guy's house by then yeah so these sirens go off through the whole city
Starting point is 00:17:53 if you've lived in the Midwest and you know the tornado sirens it's like that yeah it's like that the Shabbat tornado is coming yeah totally and then it's just like all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:18:03 you look out your window and there's no cars on the road and it's just like, all of a sudden, you look out your window and there's no cars on the road. And it just got real quiet, especially in our neighborhood. And then it would just be quiet and you would just see lights on. If you happen to not be observant and you're walking around, you would just hear people singing. Hear families singing. Wait, walking around is not observant? Oh, got it.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Well, if you're observant, you're in your house with your friends and family having the meal. Yeah, okay. But sometimes Jessica and I like to, as an evening, to go for a quiet walk. Yeah. Because what we learned is you walk through some of these neighborhoods and you would hear families singing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Like you could hear, especially in the summer when windows are open. So cool. It was beautiful. Yeah. And it was, for a whole year, just like living in the city, experiencing this rhythm. It was so amazing. And I just never experienced, I knew about Shabbat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:53 But I'd never lived in a community that was so passionate about it. Right. So think about this. That was a long time ago, 2006, 2007 that we were there. So me and Jessica didn't have kids yet. So to think what we were experiencing that year has been a ritual regular practice for this people group for somewhere around 30 plus centuries. Wow. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Think how many Friday evenings that is. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. Think how many Friday evenings that is. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I just, I have to imagine myself into a culture that has been doing this thing for 30 plus centuries. Yeah. Probably more.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Well before anyone had a weekend. Yeah. All around the world, in different cultures, different neighborhoods, different language groups, this people has been practicing this rhythm. Friday at sundown. Yep. The Friday afternoon hustle. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:19:54 To get ready. To get everything ready. Yeah. Because it's a lot of work to get ready to not work. Yeah. You got to get all your food ready. Yeah. You got to get everything arranged.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Think if you're on a farm. You got to get the your food ready. Yeah. You've got to get everything arranged. Think if you're on a farm. You've got to get the animals fed. Yeah. Right? All this thing, because these are things you're not going to be doing for 24 hours once the sun sets. Yeah. Yeah, imagine yourself into that. Imagine being born into a culture where it's already ancient, and for your whole life you don't know anything different except this rhythm of working, especially the bustle up on the sixth day, Friday, the sixth day of the Jewish Shabbat calendar.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Your whole week leads up to this moment. Yeah. And then it stops at sunset. And then you're with your family. You have some friends over. And so here's what you do. You, sun sets, and you all come around the dinner table and you light candles. And then you say a prayer. Maybe dad, maybe mom sings out.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Blessed are you, Lord our God, King of the universe, who has set us apart as holy by his commandments and has commanded us to light the lamp of the Sabbath. And then the next 24 hours, we're going to eat, we're going to sing, we're going to read from the Torah and prophets and writings. You're going to wake up the next morning, you're going to eat. We're going to sing. We're going to read from the Torah and prophets and writings. You're going to wake up the next morning. You're going to go to synagogue. You're going to hear the Torah, prophets, and writings read aloud. You're going to hear a homily.
Starting point is 00:21:34 You'll go home, have another meal, and wait for the next dinner on what we call Saturday night. And then that's a whole other deal is to wave goodbye to the Shabbat for another six days until you greet it again. And then you celebrate the coming of the eighth day, which then becomes the first day of a new Shabbat cycle. So in that calendar, Sunday is the beginning of the week. is the beginning of the week. Right. And notice the Shabbat begins on what we perceive as the end of the day, sunset. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Is the beginning of the Shabbat day. It goes from sunset to sunset. Because that's the day delineator. Yeah. Is sundown. And this is all about Genesis 1. So we'll talk about it. Yeah. It goes from sundown to sundown.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Yeah. So you're actually welcoming in a new day at sunset on Saturday. You know, it was always hard for me to understand that because that's not how I think of days. I think of days when you wake up. And I remember, I think it was around in college when I finally figured it out. It was because there's a website, BH Photo, that's owned by Orthodox Jews. Oh, sure. And they don't let you buy online on their website. Yeah, sure, sure.
Starting point is 00:22:45 From sundown on Friday. And I was always like, I would log on at certain times and I'd like to buy something and I'd be like, wait a second. Yeah, that's right. Why can't I buy anything? That's right. It's like Friday night. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:22:54 And it's like, oh yeah, Friday night. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. You'd walk around Jerusalem and not everywhere, but many shops are closed and they won't be open for the next 24 hours. Yeah. You'll see a lot of people, yeah, they won't drive. They'll walk, but just around the neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:23:15 There are developed traditions about not walking too far. The point is... It becomes work. Yeah, totally. Because of the stories about Jesus and the Gospels having conflicts with religious leaders over how to observe the Sabbath, there has been an unfortunate reflex, unintended, I think, by the Gospel authors, that has cast a negative atmosphere over the Sabbath and the guidelines for observing it as being legalistic or rule-oriented instead of God-oriented. And that's totally wrong. In Jewish tradition, it's so beautiful what the Sabbath means.
Starting point is 00:23:52 We haven't even talked about its meaning. But what the Sabbath means is it's worthy being protected, just like parents will establish guidelines for how we work as a family in our house. We don't yell at each other. We say please. We share a thing. You know, like those are rules. And it would be totally missing the point to be like, how legalistic?
Starting point is 00:24:11 You know, the point is, is you love this thing. Right. And you want to honor it precisely by protecting it. So in all these different ways, different Jewish traditions develop different types of guidelines. Yeah. For what constitutes work. But the whole thing was there's something beautiful here when we stop. We stop the hustle and bustle.
Starting point is 00:24:29 We stop acting like we're the center of the universe. Or that my work is the center of the universe. Or that my striving and work is keeping everything glued together. Yeah, that's right. Yes. Yeah, everything will fall apart if I don't X, Y, or Z. Yeah. You just, you stop.
Starting point is 00:24:49 So we'll unpack what Sabbath means in the Hebrew scriptures. It actually means a lot of things. But at its most basic, it's that you stop. The word Sabbath means stop. The word Shabbat in Hebrew. There are actually other words for rest, like in English we think of like laying down and relaxing and being rejuvenated.
Starting point is 00:25:10 To do those things you have to Shabbat. But the word Shabbat, its basic meaning is to cease from, to stop. Shabbat Shalom U'mevorach Shabbat Shalom U'mevorach Shabbat Shalom Shabbat Shalom
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Starting point is 00:25:54 Shabbat Shalom Shabbat Shalom Shabbat Shalom Shabbat Shalom Shabbat'm not Shabbat observant in any kind of strict way. And we've adapted, Jessica and I have over the years, about how we try to live by the wisdom of it. And we'll get there when we talk about the Apostle Paul. So I haven't lived this reality except for living in a culture that did it for a year. And it was really impacting. That night when we were in Jerusalem, after you said the Shema, we went to an amazing Shabbat meal together. That was an incredible experience.
Starting point is 00:26:34 You know, I'm remembering now, we walked to that house, and the city was empty. From the market. Yeah, that's right. The streets were completely empty. Yeah. I didn't really think about that. But now remembering back. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. The streets were completely empty. Yeah. I didn't really think about that. But now remembering back.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah. Yeah, we went to that guy's house and he hosted like all of us. Yeah, there was like a group of 30. Yeah, it was crazy. And then he led us through all the songs and prayers and the meals. It was a lot of work for them to put that on. Totally, yeah. I think it's a thing they do.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Yeah. They host groups of essentially tourists. Yeah. To introduce them. To want to experience it. Introduce them to the- It was a great experience. It was a really cool family.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Yeah. Yeah, it was this amazing evening. Yeah. He or he and his wife would sing these different traditional prayers. One part of it is singing selections from Proverbs 31, the poem about the amazing woman.
Starting point is 00:27:25 And you remember the guy was singing to his wife? Yeah. The lines of Proverbs 31, the poem about the amazing woman. And you remember the guy was singing to his wife? Yeah. The lines of Proverbs 31. He was hamming it up. Oh, yeah. He loved it. Like this love song. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 So there it is. I'm a little intimidated, actually, to have these conversations and to make a video about it because this isn't native to my tradition and life experience. And so it's sort of like, who am I? Who are we? Right. These Gentiles. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Explain this. Yeah, totally. Ancient thing. And because it's been going for over 30 centuries, it's developed. Its meaning and the traditions and the way people talk and practice it has changed and developed over time. And so what we're going to be talking about is the earliest period and the biblical materials that talk about it, which after 30 is only the first 10 centuries of the tradition.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Like after the Hebrew Bible period, it kept developing for another 20 centuries. So maybe one helpful distinction to make as we begin, a lot of people love to learn and talk about the Shabbat because they're really interested in the practice of it, like the Friday night to Saturday night practice and why and what that means. Our conversation is going to be a little bit different of a focus and the video will be different in that if you go to the Hebrew scriptures, you have to wait 80 chapters in the whole book of Genesis. And then half of the book of Exodus. You don't get a command about observing the Sabbath until Exodus chapter 20.
Starting point is 00:28:55 So that's 70 chapters in. Really bad math. So think about that. If the Bible is designed to give the people of Israel a handbook on how to observe Shabbat. It's kind of a weird one because it doesn't even get to it personally, you know, 70 chapters. And then what's interesting, and we'll look, the Sabbath commands in the Torah are differently worded and they give different reasons about why they practice the Sabbath. Different than what? From each other. The Sabbath commands repeated twice. We'll look at it in a moment.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Okay. But there's different reasons for why you do it. They're not necessarily contradictory, but they're different. So, in other words, the Hebrew Bible doesn't seem concerned to be a handbook on how to observe Shabbat. Right. What it's more interested is the meaning of Shabbat, which is why it's, that the meaning of Shabbat is introduced on page one. And in true Jewish meditation literature style,
Starting point is 00:29:47 it doesn't come right out and tell you the meaning of Shabbat. Totally. It keeps developing. It develops it. Yeah, it develops it. So that by the time you're 70 chapters into the Torah, then you get a command about the Shabbat. Well, you actually already all know all about what that seventh day rest means.
Starting point is 00:30:05 You've been thoroughly educated by Exodus 20. So the Torah's burden, the burden of the Torah and of the Hebrew Scriptures, it does tell us about the development of the Shabbat practice and the practice. But within the storyline of the Old Testament, the practice of Shabbat is just one way to think about something way bigger going on, which is about this design of time all culminating in a seventh day, which is way bigger than just what you do on Friday night. What people do on Friday nights is one of many symbolic narrative pointers to a larger
Starting point is 00:30:44 theological idea. So it's the idea that the video is going to a larger theological idea. So it's the idea that the video is going to be about. The video won't be about the practice as such. We'll get there in the video and in our conversations, but it's a governing theological idea about the concept of time in the Bible. And time is moving towards a climactic resolution and a time of ultimate bliss and abundance and rest. And the weekly practice of Sabbath is just a pointer and a foretaste of something way bigger. Is that distinction clear? I'm still trying to find language for it.
Starting point is 00:31:19 When we think of the Sabbath, especially a Christian, a non-Jewish person being introduced to the Sabbath. It's all about the practice of taking the day to stop. How do you do it? And how do you do it as a Christian? And why do you do it? You're saying there's a bigger set of ideas about how the Bible thinks about time and the culmination of time. That the Sabbath is just one manifestation of. Correct.
Starting point is 00:31:49 The practice of the Sabbath. The practice of the Sabbath. As it's described in the Hebrew scriptures, is just one of many, many, many other ways that the Sabbath idea is explored and talked about and developed. And I guess the tricky part is that it's the same word. It's the same word. It's the same word. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Really, what this video is about is about the seventh day. The seventh day. Should we call it the seventh day? Well, that's okay. I'm open to that. In other words, there are many different seventh days. There are many different seventh days. And words that the culminating seventh day concept gets developed.
Starting point is 00:32:26 One of them is Shabbat. Another one is called Shemitah, release, which is the seventh year when slaves are released and debts are canceled. Another one of them is the year of Yovel, of Jubilee, which is the seventh time seventh, the seven times seventh year when debts are released, slaves are freed, and land goes back to its original Eden-like conditions when Israel first entered the land. So Shabbat, the year of release, the Jubilee are all different time practices that point towards the same idea. The seventh day. Of the seventh day. Of the seventh day. The culminating day.
Starting point is 00:33:06 So maybe we call this video the seventh day. Yeah, that's interesting. We don't have to decide that, but it's just if the ambiguity between the practice of the weekly Shabbat and this video, which is about this idea of culmination of time. The seventh day as the culmination of history. The seventh day as the culmination of time. It's really about the seventh day as the culmination of history. The seventh day as the culmination of history. As a theme unifying the whole storyline of the Bible. And Shabbat points to it, but so does the year of release and so does the Jubilee. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:33:36 It's just becoming clear to me in this moment. Remember how we made the video called The Holy Spirit? And many people watched it hoping that we would be talking about the Trinity, and that's not what we talked about. And so we reflected, maybe should we have called it just the Spirit or the Spirit of God? Because we mostly were talking about the Hebrew Bible in that video. I wonder if this is a similar thing where- People would be disappointed if they're looking for a crash course on how to do the Sabbath. People would be disappointed if they're looking for a crash course on how to do the Sabbath. Yeah, Sabbath.
Starting point is 00:34:09 What are people doing Friday to Saturday night? What's the meaning of that? Yeah. And this is about what's the meaning of the seventh day in the storyline of the Bible. That's interesting. מכל רע ישמור את נפשך ארדוני ישמור צעדך ובורך בתב אדלה Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie Lie, lie
Starting point is 00:34:51 Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie So the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments. Yeah, the very overlooked Ten Commandments. Yeah, that's right. At least for Gentiles. No, that's interesting. I think, yeah, you're right. Probably for, in certain culture debates about the importance of the Ten Commandments. Well, do you remember we were at Calamity Janes and they had the Cowboy Commandments.
Starting point is 00:35:42 And I pointed this out to you. It was a restaurant. It was a restaurant up on Mount Hood. I don't remember it. Let me just Google cowboy commandments. Maybe it'll come up. But it was like this tongue-in-cheek kind of like, yeah, here it is. Retelling?
Starting point is 00:35:54 Retelling of the Ten Commandments. I don't remember this. One, just one God. Two, honor your mom, pa. Three, no telling tales or gossiping. Four, get yourself to Sunday meetings. Oh, okay. There it is. Get yourself to Sunday meetings. Oh, okay. There it is.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Get yourself to Sunday meetings. That's the cowboy command. So it's like they get to the Sabbath. Yeah. And for the cowboy, which is, you know, the American. Yeah, that's right. Gentile. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Bible person. Protestant. Protestant. Yeah. Sabbath just means go to church on Sunday. Totally. Protestant. Sabbath just means go to church on Sunday. Totally. So, I don't know if these debates happen in Europe or Australia about the public display of the Ten Commandments.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Right. This has been... Big debate in America. This has been in the last half century a hot topic in American culture, certain parts of America. But yeah, I think the idea is, I think the paradigm is that we should publicly display the moral code of the Bible. The paradigm being the Bible is God's handbook for behavior. Yeah. So we should publicly, and the Ten Commandments summarize it best.
Starting point is 00:36:54 That's one way to think about it. I think there are more helpful ways to think about it. And a lot of them work. One God, the one God of the Bible. Yeah. You know, tell the truth. Don't lie. Don't commit adultery.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Don't murder. Right. The one that really sticks out. Yeah. Everyone agrees the Bible. Yeah. Tell the truth. Don't lie. Don't commit adultery. Don't murder. Right. The one that really sticks out. Yeah. Everyone agrees with them. I mean, even if you're not a Christian or even not religious, everyone's like, we could all agree we're not going to murder each other. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:15 And I don't believe it. Maybe people who don't believe in God, they'd be like, okay, I'll take a pass on that one. But yeah, don't murder. Yeah. Don't lie. And tell the truth. Tell the truth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:21 pass on that one. But yeah, don't murder. Yeah. And tell the truth. Tell the truth. Yeah. But the one of the 10 that's really situated in it as a Israelite Jewish practice. Yeah. Keep the Sabbath. Is keep the Sabbath. So in Christian tradition, what's happened is that just gets removed from the Friday night to Saturday night thing and gets applied to going to church. Just go to church on Sundays. And it's true, actually. My kids are listening a lot to audio books of Little House on the Prairie.
Starting point is 00:37:51 And so that's how Ma and Pa talk about going to church, keeping Sabbath. So woven early into American culture is the concept of that Sunday is a Sabbath. And that probably goes back into European Christianity roots. But there's an irony there because that's not what Sabbath means in the Old or New Testament. This is the argument I heard. That the Sabbath was on Saturday, but then Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday. And so the early Christians began to celebrate the Sabbath on the Sunday. And that's why we all do church on Sunday. Yeah. Okay. That's a common conception. Underneath that concept is
Starting point is 00:38:33 loads of controversy because the historical data to tell us that story is not clear. It's very complicated. So we might get here maybe at the end of our discussion. It's very complicated. So we might get here maybe at the end of our discussion. It's not important. Well, it's not important for the video. I think it actually is really interesting and important. But Sabbath, within the first two generations of Christian, Christianity and Christian literature, Sabbath
Starting point is 00:38:57 never referred to Sunday. The Sabbath was Friday night to Saturday night. And Sunday is called, most likely, is what the phrase the Lord's Day referred to. It was only much later that the word Sabbath came to be attached to mean like a Christian version, which is on Sunday. But because, think, for many of those early generations, you know, many of the followers of Jesus were Jewish. And so they would observe Sabbath. Yeah, they wouldn't stop observing Sabbath.
Starting point is 00:39:28 No, they didn't stop observing Sabbath. They observed Sabbath, but then they would also do something on Sunday. In fact, there was an expectation amongst Jewish followers of Jesus, or kind of a hope that Gentiles would also adopt the Sabbath. And then this became a controversy that we know about through Paul's letters to the church in Rome and to the churches of Galatia and so on. And Colossae. So I just want to put an asterisk on that. We'll pick it up later because it's not what we're talking about in the video.
Starting point is 00:40:00 What I want to draw attention to is the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments. Yes. And the Ten Commandments appear twice in the Hebrew Scriptures. We've talked about this before, I think. Yeah. Yeah, in the law. So, one's in Mount Sinai in Exodus 20. Okay. Another set of Ten Commandments is in Deuteronomy 5 when the children of the Exodus generation are with Moses about to go in to the promised land. So Exodus 20 verse 8 begins by saying, remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses says,
Starting point is 00:40:32 keep the Sabbath day in order to keep it holy. So in one, it's remember. When Moses repeats it and remembers, for a new context, he says keep. Okay, remember. That's fine. Or keep or keep yeah how do you remember it you keep it and as you keep it you're obviously remembering it but it's a little little difference yeah from there both commands are verbatim the same six days you shall labor and
Starting point is 00:40:58 do all of your work but the seventh day is a sabbath ofweh your God. On it you shall do no work, neither you nor your son or your daughter, or your male slave or your female slave, or your ox or your... And then here's where the passages depart. So in Exodus, it finishes by saying your ox or the immigrant who stays with you. So then it's done. In Deuteronomy 5, the list keeps on going. Neither you're ox or you're donkey or you're cattle or the immigrant who stays with you.
Starting point is 00:41:33 And then here's where the two different passages depart. In Exodus 20, the reason, why do you do this? Why do you stop working? Verse 11 of Exodus 20 20 for in six days yahweh made the skies and the land and the sea and all that is in them and he rested on the seventh day and the hebrew word there is shabbat he ceased on the seventh shabbat yep so just clear hyperlink to genesis one yeah why so why do we do this? Why do we stop from work? That's what God did.
Starting point is 00:42:07 In Exodus 20, God stopped on the seventh day, therefore we stop. When you're reading in Deuteronomy 5 and you get to the reason why, it says, so that your male slave and your female slave may rest along with you. And the word rest there is different. Oh. The word rest, that's the same root as Noah's name. Oh. Nuach.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Nuach. Nuach. And nuach means that you have stopped and now you're in a state of being refreshed and settling in and resting in the place that you've stopped. So they're kind of two stages. Shabbat is about stopping what you were doing. Nuach is about now settling into the place where you stopped so that you can be refreshed. The next part.
Starting point is 00:42:55 So you can't nuach unless you've. Yeah, you have to shabbat in order to nuach. Yeah. And if you're nuaching, that's because you've shabbated. Yeah. So, but then look, Deuteronomy 5 goes on and says, You shall remember you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and Yahweh your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Therefore, Yahweh your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. So, two different rationales for the Sabbath. They're not contradictory, but they are different. Sure. Okay. So in Exodus, the rationale is this is what Yahweh did when he created. Yeah. Six days of work.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Six days of work. Rested. There's something about the fabric of the cosmos and what God did. And imitating. And imitating. You do this because that's what God did. And imitating. And imitating. You do this because that's what God did. And then in Deuteronomy, there's this focus on, well, and because it's about slavery, they have slaves. How should you treat slaves?
Starting point is 00:43:57 Well, remember, you were a slave. Yes. You weren't treated well. Yep. God rescued you. I want you to treat your slaves in a different way. That's right. Why do you observe the Sabbath in Deuteronomy 5?
Starting point is 00:44:08 So that your slaves can have a day of rest along with you. Yeah. You get a day of rest. They get a day of rest. Why is that? Well, remember the Exodus. In the Exodus, all of you were slaves and God redeemed you so that you could have rest in the promised land. So now once you go into the promised land, you make sure that everybody gets a day of rest. You could say this
Starting point is 00:44:32 is a, it's a liberation unto rest. That's interesting. I don't want to jump the gun, but like, you know, Paul talks about being slaves to sin, You know, that whole identity of slavery, super crucial. Yeah. Especially in, well, from Exodus narrative on. And yeah, it's interesting to think about what that means. What is our slavery? What does it mean to stop from? Totally.
Starting point is 00:45:00 We're already to it right here. The seventh day is like a multifaceted gem. Okay. And as the concept develops through the story of the Bible, we're going to discover in different story after story that there's going to be different ways and angles and facets that get you to the core. One of the main facets is the fabric of creation as leading towards a great goal where humans imitate God and join him in ceasing from work and labor. But there's going to be another facet that's all about being enslaved to our labor and slaves to something. And so the seventh day is the time to celebrate our liberation from slavery
Starting point is 00:45:47 so that we can rest with God. And actually both of these themes are in Genesis 1 through 3. Genesis 1 through 3 is where you find both of them develop. And then it's like from there, you get two strands, two chords, like think of a symphony. Okay. And one will be the creation and all history leading up to the seventh day. Okay. Another one will be the seventh day is about liberation from slavery to rest in an Eden-like state. Yeah. But they're both really about the same thing.
Starting point is 00:46:21 And you can see it. This is why I like the two expressions of the Ten Commandments. Yeah. Exodus 20 gives you the creation, imitate God, participate with him in the seventh day. Deuteronomy 5 gives you the liberation from slavery.
Starting point is 00:46:35 You're celebrating liberation from slavery every seventh day in anticipation of some future. A full liberation. That's right. And those two ideas are both ways of thinking about the meaning of the seventh day. It's like Genesis 1 through 3 will introduce these two facets of Sabbath, and then the rest of the storyline of the Bible is like a symphony.
Starting point is 00:46:57 It's going to riff and weave them with different stories and different themes and so on. Cool. Thank you. love I can say love I love you yeah me does say love darling baby
Starting point is 00:48:02 my heart Thank you. Let me close this with a longish quote that I think will be interesting. This is an Israeli scholar, Matis Yahu Tzavat, a really amazing scholar. He is cluing into this phrase that's repeated in both Sabbath commands. This phrase, in English it gets rendered, the seventh day is a Sabbath of Yahweh. In Hebrew, the phrase is Shabbat le'adonai, a Sabbath to Yahweh. One day out of seven, the Israelite is to renounce dominion over his own time and recognize God's dominion over it. Simply put, every seventh day, the Israelite renounces his autonomy and affirms God's dominion over him.
Starting point is 00:49:21 God's dominion over him. In conclusion, every seventh day, the Israelite renounces dominion over his time, renounces autonomy, recognizes God's dominion over time and thus over himself. His conclusion, keeping the Sabbath is an acceptance of the kingdom and sovereignty of God. I like the way he puts that. So, well, yeah, you tell me what you're hearing
Starting point is 00:49:43 and the significance of it. So, well, yeah, you tell me what you're hearing and the significance of it. So to call the Sabbath, the claim that the Sabbath belongs to God, is to kind of jar you into remembering. I mean, it's kind of weird to think about a day of the week belonging to someone. Yeah, that's right. It was weird to think about, but then he kind of makes the point like, we're masters of our own time. We think of ourselves as like time belongs to us.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Our time belongs to us. Remember our- Time as a currency. Yeah, our conversations about metaphor and poetry. Yeah. That was the thing about time as a possession. Time as a possession. You earn it.
Starting point is 00:50:17 You lose it. Yeah. You take it. You spend it. You spend it. Yeah. Save it. All that.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Yeah. Yeah. That's how we think about our time. It's like one of our possessions. I don't think we think about it enough actually i think it's it's actually kind of a cruel thought experiment to realize how little time is you actually have yeah yeah um and how fast it goes and how one-third of it you're asleep one-third of it you're asleep that's true for me it's about one quarter i wish it was a third but uh yeah so i think that every day belongs to me well shabbat is a it's a ritual practice rituals are habits and structures in our lives that determine reality even in ways that we're
Starting point is 00:51:00 not conscious of right so the fact that i have a calendar app on my smartphone and I determine what goes on and off of that, the only thing structured for me is an empty box called March 8th. And I determine everything that goes into March 8th and that doesn't. So that's a ritual and structure in my life that unconsciously convinces me that I control my days. I think that's kind of what he's getting at here. We consider ourselves the masters of our time. Yeah, that by the ritual practice of just observing that one day actually belongs to God. It humbles you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:46 It's renouncing autonomy. It's kind of like cracking the door open just enough. You know, like at least recognize one day is mine. And then all of a sudden, as you do that, you realize, oh, all time belongs to God. Yeah. And the seventh day, this is anticipating our later discussion, but the seventh day is always some culminating day of rescue or of divine miraculous provision or of God doing something and coming through in a way that I couldn't do myself. Yeah, that's interesting. This is how the two motifs weave together.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Yes, the liberation. Yeah. Yep, that's interesting. This is how the two motifs weave together. Yes, the liberation. Yeah. Yep, that's right. So one idea is I'm a master of my own time, and that needs to be readjusted. But the other idea is, well, what do I do with my time? Well, generally, I obsess about, do I have enough? Am I protected? Am I going to be happy? Yeah. You're busy securing your life stability and provision. Yeah. That's what we're doing.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Can I hold everything together? Yeah. Yeah. And make sure that my life doesn't fall apart. Yep. Small and big ways. Yeah. I don't want, like my car battery didn't start today.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Right. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And that screws things up. Yeah. The universe kind of broke for you this morning. Yeah. Yeah. totally. Right? Yeah. And that screws things up. Yeah, the universe kind of broke for you this morning. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Yeah, right. But that's a small thing, but we're just trying to hold it all together. Yeah. Tragedies crash into our lives and remind us we're not the masters of much of anything. Yeah, but we like to- That's right. Pretend we are. And so these two kind of things are like, well, one, you're not.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Yeah. And secondly, you're not. And secondly, you're trying to be because you're hoping for liberation. You're hoping for stability and peace. And that's something God's going to provide. God's the master of time and God's going to provide. Master of your life and well-being. And so here's when the tragedy hits or when I'm reminded that I'm not the master of my life or time. And tragedies have a way of shaking us awake to that. But what if I've developed a lifetime habit of inconveniently interrupting my time and my life every seven days? It's inconvenient. The reason why Jessica and I found it hard to implement this is because we haven't been strict about a practice.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Yeah. And so we kind of morph it. Yeah. And we flex it. Yeah. And so the whole point of this tradition is you don't morph. You flex your life to this pattern. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:17 And it's inconvenient. This is why everybody's bustling around in the market at, you know, 4 p.m. It's inconvenient on purpose. On Friday, it's intentionally inconveniencing your life. And the structure reminds you there's something bigger going on. And I have to adjust my life to it. And Madisyahu's way of saying it is it's the kingdom of God. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:37 You're recognizing that in God's time and in God's power, he will provide and work out his purposes. And I adjust my life to that storyline. That's powerful. And I've often wondered this, and asked friends, Jews, or Messianic Jews, the psychology that that shapes in you over time, that you only get six out of seven days to do what you want. It really has a deep formative influence on how people think about their lives. But the intent isn't though to say, okay, I get six days and God gets one day. No, no, no, that's the wrong way to, yeah. I get six, God gets one. Yeah. It's more that what I need is a regular reminder of the true reality of my life, which is that none of my days belong to me. In a way.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Yeah. You know, I like the way that he's put it, renouncing autonomy, affirming God's kingdom and sovereignty, which just begs the question, the bigger question then, what is the story of God's kingdom and sovereignty that culminates in the seventh day. What am I imitating? When God culminates and rests on the seventh day, what's the meaning of that? Why is he resting? I see why I need to rest. That's a great question. I'm a little puny mortal creature. Why is God after? What's that mean? Yeah. And why is the idea of God's rest connected to the liberation of slaves so that they can have rest? Like, how does that all bundle together?
Starting point is 00:56:07 And I think that's where the magic of the video could be, is in tying together stopping with liberation and the culmination of time in some great Sabbath event. Yeah. Yeah. And that is the storyline of the Bible. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Bible. More on their website, etonkatz.com. That's E-I-T-A-N-K-A-T-Z.com. And joshuaeran.com. The Bible Project is a crowdfunded nonprofit in Portland, Oregon.
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